Oct. 16, 2024

Floating Axe Head

A discussion about 2 Kings 6:1-7

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A discussion about 2 Kings 6:1-7

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central.

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Good morning everyone. It is Wednesday, October sixteenth, twenty twenty four.

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It is currently ten forty nine am Central Time, and

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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central

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studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, as a Christian,

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you have probably heard lots of discussions about interpreting the Bible.

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Sometimes someone may actually use the word hermeneutic or hermeneutics,

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or maybe someone will talk to you about Bible study

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or maybe Bible study methods and talk about the different

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principles and the different ideas you need to know in

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order to interpret the scriptures correctly. And a lot of

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times you'll hear discussion about do we interpret this passage allegorically,

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do we spiritual it or do we take it very

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literally right? Do we take it in its historical textual context?

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And you'll hear a lot of discussion about these principles.

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But if you listen to a lot of preaching, sometimes

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pastors who put forth a specific hermeneutical idea will seem

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to almost violate it in their preaching, which can probably

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be very confusing for the person sitting in the pew. Well,

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I thought these were the principles we use, but in

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this passage we seem to throw all of that out.

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We're not worried about the historical grammatical. We've gone very

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allegorical or spiritual. So which is it? Well, then they

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may make some exception, and of course if you add

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too many exceptions, then your entire herminutic becomes very subjective,

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and it can be become very problematic. It can get

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very I don't know what it's like for the person

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sitting in the pew, but I know, at least for

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me with you know, Bible Institute, Bible collegists, seminary, you know,

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with education, it can still be confusing for me because

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I'm like, well, wait a minute, what are we doing here?

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And there's one passage of scripture that I have heard

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so many sermons on that to this day, I don't

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really know what hermeneutical principles we are utilizing. And that

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is the story of the floating axe head. The floating axehead,

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and this story is found in Second Kings Chapter six,

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Second King's Chapter six. Here at a minute, I will

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read the seven verses that make up this narrative that

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makes up this story, and I just want I'm going

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to stress that I'm going to read to you the

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seven verses that make up this narrative. But these seven

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verses have turned into hundreds of thousands of hours of preaching,

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and most of the preaching is very, in my estimation,

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allegorical spiritualizing the text. And at times it's like, what,

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I don't know exactly what principles were utilizing? How are

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we coming to these conclusions? What are we basing these

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conclusions on? But you're not supposed to ask those questions

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because well then you'll be seen as being a trouble maker.

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But I'm going to be a little bit of a

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trouble maker this morning. And here's what's going on. I

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sat down like, Okay, well we've been working on first John.

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That's being you know, that's a lot of work, kind

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of tedious. Okay, we've been doing that. I know we

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kind of mentioned what was it, second Kings? I think

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it's chapter fifteen about those a list of kings told

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you to start looking up sermons about that. Well, probably

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need to review a sermon on that, so maybe maybe

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I will look Okay, maybe all right, we're working on

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some other things. Okay, what do I do? What do

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I do? So I'm well, the one thing again. I

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know this year, we're fast approaching the end of this year.

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It's hard to believe, you know, it's October sixteenth. Before

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we know it, it's all over. And the main one

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of the major challenges goals for twenty twenty four was

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the Sermons two point oh app sermon challenge, listening to

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a random sermon for every single day of the year.

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So I'm like, well, let me look at my you know,

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let's look at I think I looked either under my

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feed tab on the sermon's two point oh app. Maybe

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I looked at new sermons, but I saw a sermon

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entitled check your axe head. Check your axe head Now.

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Immediately as soon as I saw that, I knew it

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was going to be Second King's Chapter six. I knew

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it was gonna be Second Kings Chapter six. I absolutely

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knew it. So I listened to a little bit of it,

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found out that it was Second King's Chapter six, and

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then immediately the title tells me what they're going to do,

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check your axe head. Oh, so now we're gonna go

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to Second King's chapter six about a floating axe head,

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and somehow magically it's gonna be about my axe head?

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Is it gonna be about a literal ox head? Now? No,

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the ax head now is going to so immediately, I

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know we're going to go spiritualizing, We're going to go allegorizing.

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This is and this is what almost everyone does. So

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I'm like, well, maybe this will be worth the time

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to listen and to review. So let's let's just go

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to Second King's chapter six. Let's go to Second King's

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chapter six. Let me read the text. Now, what I

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almost started. I almost wanted to begin this episode with

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just reading the text and then asking you what you

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would do with it. But I thought we would really

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kind of turn it into a lesson about hermeneutics and

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Bible interpretation. Either way, I guess I could have made

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it the lesson. It was just how do I how

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do I want to begin today? But I want you

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to just think about this, and I want you to

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just ask yourself, for if you've never heard a sermon,

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if you've never read a commentary, if you've never done anything,

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and you were to open your Bibles and you were

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to read this story, what would you do? Second King's

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Chapter six, Verse one, and the sons of the Prophets said,

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unto Elisha, behold now the place where we dwell with

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thee is too straight for us verse two. So verse one,

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what do we have? I know we're gonna interpret verse

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one as very literal, are we not? We have the

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sons of the prophets, they speak unto Alaisha. We're gonna say,

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the sons of the Prophets are real people. Elisha is

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real people. Behold now the place where we dwell I'm

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assuming we're gonna see that as a literal place is

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too straight for us. Verse two. Let us go, we

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pray thee unto Jordan, and take thence every man of beam,

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and let us make a place there where we may dwell.

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And he answered, go, ye, so hey, we don't. We

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can't stay here anymore. We need to go. We need

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a bigger place. And so if we're gonna take material

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and we're gonna go, seems pretty now again, you do

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you go in and start saying, well, the beams represent this,

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and the place represents this, and this represents this, and

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this represents that. Even if you start doing that, what

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are you basing that off of But I think if

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you were just to read that, you would just see

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this as like a historical narrative. Right. Verse three, and

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one said be content, I pray thee and go with

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thy servants, And he answered, I will go.

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Verse four.

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So he went with them, and when they came to

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the Jordan, they cut down wood. All right, we only

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have three verses left. We only have three verses left.

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We only have three verses left.

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Right. Verse five.

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But as one was felling the beam, the axe head

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fell into the water, and he cried and said, alas, master,

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for it was borrowed. Right, So the axe head falls

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into the water, and he's he's upset. You know, master,

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what it was borrowed. I've lost the axe head. Okay,

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Now for us we may be like, what's what's the

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big deal?

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Now?

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Is there some historical context that would make this a

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big deal? Or do we spiritualize it? Well, now, now

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we only have two verses left. Verse six, and the

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man of God said where fell it? And he showed

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him the place, and he cut down a stick, cast

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it and thither and the iron did swim. Hey, where

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is it? He cuts down a stick, puts it in

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the water, and the axe head did swim it floats

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Verse seven therefore said he take it up to thee,

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and he put it out. He put out his hand

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and he took it. There's the entire narrative, seven verses,

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Second King six one through seven. Now what do you

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do with this? How do you handle this text? You've

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been a Christian five years, ten years, fifteen years. You're

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meeting a brand new Christian, a brand new Maybe they've

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been a Christian for six months, they've been a Christian

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for a year. They're just starting to really dig into scripture.

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They're trying to understand scripture. They asked to meet you,

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I don't know, somewhere restaurant, coffeehouse, somewhere you go. You're

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sitting down and like, hey, this morning, for my devotionals,

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I was reading Second Kings, chapter six, verses one through seven.

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Please help me understand this. How would you explain it

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to them?

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Now?

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Now, on one hand, you may explain something, you know,

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some big spiritual picture because you've heard it in a sermon.

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But at that point the new Christian may be like, well,

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how did you come up with all of that? Now?

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I know I've heard people preach this, and more people

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in the pew will go to the pastor, how did

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you see this? I've never seen this in the text.

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Now.

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Sometimes what frustrates me is the pastor doesn't just simply

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say well, I got this from this pastor or from

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this commentary, or from this sermon, or from this book.

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And in many cases I know exactly where they got

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it from, because I'm like, I've read that same book,

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I've heard that same sermon. Okay, but I don't say anything.

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Sometimes I just shake my head. It's like, just come on,

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tell them where you got it from. Okay. But they

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will get to say, well, this represents this, and this

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represents this, and then the stick being cut down and

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put in the water. See that's Jesus Christ dying on

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the cross. That's the cross. And when the cross is

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put into the water, and then it causes Okay. I

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could go through all the things. I've even had to

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write papers in Bible, college and seminary trying to go

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with this more spiritualized version of this. And there's been

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times I've been like, I think we're just making all

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of this up. I just think that this is crazy.

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Now I do understand. I will say this, though when

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you read the text, it does seem kind of odd. Right,

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You're kind of like an axe aad You put stick

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in the water, and a stick in the water makes

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the axe head float. So I can understand the desire

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for preachers to say, well, I think something else is

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going on here. There's got to be something. There's god

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to be a spiritual picture. I can understand that. The

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issue is, well, then how do you, basically, how do

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you color the picture? If you believe this is a

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picture where there's no color there? Right, it's a it's

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just a sheet of paper, And so where do you

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draw the lines? And how do you color it? In

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saying this represents this, this represents this, this represents this,

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And why is it that all the people who paint

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some kind of spiritual picture some kind of allegory here?

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How come there's disagreement on sometimes what the picture is

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and what the details are. Does that not then make

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hermeneutics and Bible interpretation very subjective? At the same time,

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if I just reduce this to, yeah, someone lost an

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axe head. They put a stick in the water and

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it floated. The end, Well, what's the meaning you Well,

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the meaning is in this particular case, an axehead was recovered. No,

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it's got to mean more than that. It's it's got

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a picture. Jesus. Well, I know I think that you're

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claiming that that's the case. So what should we do. Well, now,

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the sermon work that I have queueda it is called

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check your accent. So obviously the ac said now is

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going to represent something that applies to you, to me,

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to everyone, And I don't know how you draw that

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conclusion is well, we'll throw out a lot of harmonutical

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questioning of this as we as we go through. I

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think this is going to get really crazy. So here's

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what I've done. I've been doing this recently. A lot

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of times we go into these sermon reviews completely blind.

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I did not go into this completely blind. I listened

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to enough of it to know it was Second King's

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chapter six, because I already assumed it was, but I

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was verifying. I then did some my own work and

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looking up some things, so I have notes, so I'm

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a little bit prepared. I did fast forward through the

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first part of this sermon because there's some discussion I

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gifts someone in the church has gotten engaged. Then I

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can't remember he makes some jokes about it. Then they're

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trying to get nursery workers because they're having some I

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guess they call him it Jubilee coming up in like,

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I don't know, fourteen days, thirty days, so they need

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nursery workers. Then he reads Second Kings chapter six, verses

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one through seven. Then I think there's someone in the

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congregation praying. There's just a lot of stuff going on.

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And then finally, finally, after all of that, the message begins.

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Now it's going to begin by him immediately saying leave

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Second Kings and go to someone nineteen, which I found

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somewhat fascinating because on wait a minute, is he going

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to connect someone nineteen to Second King six? Is this

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going to be an example of just, I don't know,

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good cross referencing, bad cross referencing. And that's where I

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stopped it. So and then I realized the volume wasn't

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loud enough at the beginning, so I did a little

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you know, trying to increase the volume. But then in

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the summon it gets really loud. So it may be

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a lot of fluctuation here, so just be prepared. I

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don't know where this is going to go. I don't know.

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So if you if you looked at Second King chapter.

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Six, what would you do with it? What would you

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do with the.

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Second King chapter six, verses one through seven? What would

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you do with it? And hopefully, hopefully we'll learn something here.

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All right, I'm a little bit concerned, but let's let's

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find out here. I'm going to try to be cautiously optimistic.

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But again, the title check your axe head to me,

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that just screams that it's going to turn the ax

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set into picturing something. And I just don't know how

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you come to this conclusion. Maybe he's got some reference

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in some one nineteen that's going to fit this together,

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and I'm gonna be like, oh, that's perfect. Okay, So

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oh I just got an idea. I don't know how

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well that would work. Okay, all right, here we go,

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Here we go. Let's let's just let's just see where

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this goes.

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Like for you to if you will to Psalms one

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hundred and nineteen, Can you leave your finger right there

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for just a minute. I don't repent of the statement

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that I made that for most Christians, the ones I

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deal with, the ones that I'm around now understand this.

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The people that I'm around. For the most part, they're

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people like you. They're people that are in church. They

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love the Lord, they believe the book, they rightly divide,

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they're doctrinally straight. They're doing all the things that are necessary.

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They're not necessarily what you would call wicked and ungodly individuals.

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They're not crackheads, and they're not dope smokers, and they're

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not drinkers. Or they may have a little social drink

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here and there.

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I can.

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Now already okay, oh boy, okay, So wicked and ungodly

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is classified as crackheads, dope smokers, and drinkers. I think

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you can be wicked ungodly and never take a drink,

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never smoke dope, and never well smoke crack. I is

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wickedness determined by the substances you pull take into your body. Right,

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you're ungodly because you smoke dope, You're ungodly because you

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smoke crack. You're ungodly because you drink. Is ungodliness determined

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by the substances you bring into your body. Well, if

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you are ungodly because you smoke crack, do smoke I

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guess dope or weed or however, he stated, I think

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he said, dope and you drink, If that makes you ungodly? Well,

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are you ungodly? If you partake of too much food

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and you enter into the realm of being a glutton,

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does that make you ungodly? It's just funny that. Hey, hey,

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the people I know, I mean, they're not wicked and ungodly.

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They don't smoke dope. So that the way you know

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someone is ungodly is because they smoke cracked, they smoke

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dope or they drink. I mean that just seems like

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that that's such a reducing that's reducing god godliness or

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ungodliness to the most basic external activity that you can.

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But I guarantee you food is not going to be mentioned,

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even though the Bible actually condemns gluttony, does it not?

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But hey, let's not talk about that, right, let's not

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get talk It doesn't the Bible, Okay, condemns pride. I mean,

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can you be prideful and be and would that make

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you ungodly even though you don't drink or you don't

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smoke or you don't do crack. I mean, like that's

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just a weird that's very external, that's very specific, and

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I guess everyone in the church can be like you,

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my head, I'm not ungodly. I haven't I haven't hit

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the crack pipe recently, I haven't smoked any weed, and

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I haven't drink very much. Okay, I'm doing pretty good.

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Right.

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Is that the way that we determine our godliness or ungodles?

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That just seems like an interesting way to start.

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Okay?

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But all right, so he's talking about the good people

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he knows. Because the good people he knows don't smoke crack,

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don't smoke dope, and well, don't drink much.

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Let's exclude that more than Nike will, and then may

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have some problems as far as the character flaws along

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those lines. But as far as being really wicked and

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ungodly people, You're not those kind of people. You're really

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relatively moral kind of individuals. I mean, if I preach

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on smoking around here, very few obvious.

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Is it gonna hit you or put you under conviction?

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Not gonna all right, so you're moral. You have character flaws.

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So now so now Christians have character flaws. We don't

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have sin. We have character flaws and smoking smoking clearly

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is a sin. Now, if smoking is a sin, what

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would make smoking a sin. Well, smoking is a sin

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because it's not healthy. Well, have you ever been to

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a church pot luck? Have you ever been to a

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church fellowship mill? You got every you have fried foods,

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you've got, sweets, you've got. I'm baffled by this idea

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of what godliness is here. This is kind of a

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confusing idea. Ungodliness is smoking, crack smoking, dope, drinking, and

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just smoking. I guess smoking cigarettes make you ungod Smoking

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cigarettes make you ungodly? What would be the scriptural basis

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for that? Now, smoking obviously is not a great thing

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to do because of all the health risk. But there's

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lots of health risk from so many other things. So

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is it ungodly because of the health risk? Well, if

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it's ungodly because of health risk, then you would have

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to then place the same kind of preaching on eating.

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How about look out in your congregation? How many people

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are overweight?

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Oh?

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Oh no, we can't know where You're not going to

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go there, are we? How is their blood pressure? How's

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their cholesterol level? How is their physical activity? Are they

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exercising twenty minutes a day for three days a week,

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four days a week?

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Whatever?

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The typical suggestion is are they Are they doing enough that?

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What if they are not getting enough sleep? They're recommended

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a number hours of sleep, what if they're not getting enough? So,

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I mean, are we just going to go after every

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health issue?

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All right?

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Okay, I don't know if we're even going to get

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to the axehead. Okay, I want to get to the

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ac this this is a business. How does what does

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any of this have to do with the axehead? I

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don't know. I don't know, so let's let him. I

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know I'm interrupting this quickly. But it's just I just

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I think sometimes Christian's idea of morality is very external.

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It's just this external list of things. Hey guys, if

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you want to be godly, don't hit the crack pipe

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you want to be godly, don't smoke weed you want

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to be godly, don't drink alcohol. You want to be godly,

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don't drink or don't drink, don't smoke cigarettes.

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Got it?

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And I'd be like, ay, man, we have character flaws

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or we're not like these wicked people who do crack

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and Okay, and that kind of a weird, I know,

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weird thing. Like if you look at many of the

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lists of sins in the Bible. I don't even know

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if you Maybe you have drunkenness, maybe I don't think

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in any of them. I know you don't have crack

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or weed or smoking cigarettes mentioned. I know the Bible

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does condemn gluttony, slothfulness, pride, uh not loving. I mean

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it goes after you know, and didn't Jesus say it's

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not the things that come into the body, it's the

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things that come out, because the sinfulness comes from within us.

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I don't know. It seems like a really odd way

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of looking at it.

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Bother you much.

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I preach on drinking, it might hit two or three

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of you out of a crowd like this to be

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a wasted sermon to preach that today, be it wasted

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sermon to preach on dope addiction or something along that.

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