Eschatology: The Younger Generation

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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast

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making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone. It is Wednesday, June the twelfth,

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twenty twenty four. It is currently
three twelve pm Central Time, and

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I am coming to you live from
the Theology Central studio located right here in

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Abilene, Texas. And if you
were not aware of this, times are

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a changing, all right. Times
are changing. I mean, I mean,

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I mean that's I mean. You
don't have to be a rocket scientist

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to figure that out, right,
You don't have to be very smart to

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know times are changing, because that's
what always happens. Right, If you

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go from the forties to the fifties, from the fifties to the sixties,

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from the sixties to the seventies,
from the seventies to the eighties, we're

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not even going back to ancient times, more modern times, from the nineteen

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forties, nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies. Times are always a

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changing that brings changes to the culture, that brings changes to the church,

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that brings changes to philosophy, to
ideologies, to politics, to every aspect

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of life. Things are always changing. And I love at different times to

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turn on this microphone and try to
figure out where the times are taking us.

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The times are changing, that's obvious, right, They're always changing,

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They're always in flux. That's just
a reality. But trying to figure out

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where they're going, Where are they
going where? And especially when it comes

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to the world of Christianity, when
it comes to the church, where's the

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church headed? Where's Christianity headed?
Now? It's easy sometimes to just look

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at the current state of affairs and
go disaster ahead. The end is near,

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it's over. And maybe sometimes that's
very fair to say. There are

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other times that maybe are like,
wait, that looks really positive, that

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looks great, and you give positive
news. All you can really do is

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try to be as fair and as
honest with the reality around you, and

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then try to take that reality and
try to figure out where we're headed.

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Sometimes you can look for clues.
Sometimes you can look for clues. And

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I think recently all of us have
been given a very big clue that something

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is going on. Right. It
was happening on university campuses, and that's

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all the news was talking about.
College kids were protesting, they were demanding

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things from their university, and they
weren't upset about well, the condition of

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their dorm room. They weren't upset
about curriculum, they weren't upset about something

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a professor did. They were upset
because thereof what was going on in Israel

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and Gaza. They were upset,
and they were these protests. I think

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it would be fair to classify most
of them as pro Palestinian. I think

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it would be very they were.
They were very pro Palestine and very anti

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Israel. Some I'm not going to
say the majority of the protesters, but

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some of it would even I think
be fair to say kind of just it

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kind of turned into anti Semitism.
I think that would be very fair to

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say. And for some people they're
like, wow, where is this you

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know, pro Palestine, pro you
know, pro Hamas pro like, And

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people said, well, no,
it's not pro Hamas, but I mean

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it was Israel that was attacked,
right, Israel was attacked. Over a

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thousand people were killed, some people
were taking hostage, and somehow the kids

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show up on campus to support,
like I like, it's so it's almost

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kind of like, wait a minute, wait a minute, why wouldn't they

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first pro up, first show up
and say we are against this, you

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know, terrorist attack against Israel.
How dare you don't do that now or

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something? But no, it just
fell with and I know I'm gonna get

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emails and people on YouTube are gonna
say, well, you just don't understand

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and you don't understand what the Palestinians
have gone through. Look, there's been

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lots of very bad things that have
happened in that part of the world,

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and we could find blame on everyone's
side. We could blame the United States

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for many of the things that have
happened in that part of the region.

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We can blame Israel, we could
blame Hamas, we could blame the Palestinians,

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we can blame blame almost I mean, there's always plenty of blame to

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go around, but in this particular
case, it was like pro Palestine and

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very anti Israel. In most cases, I think that's a fair way to

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say that. Now we could get
into the geopolitical reasons, we could get

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into ideological reason we could try to
take all of that apart, but that's

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not what this podcast is called theology
central, So I want to look at

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it from a theological perspective. Is
it possible what we saw on the college

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campuses, not so much a support
for Israel. I think a very anti

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Israel stance would be fair to say, much more a pro Palestinian stance.

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I think I think that would be
fair to say. I think that's accurate,

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right, I mean, I know, I'm painting maybe in kind of

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a broad in a broad way,
but I think that's pretty accurate. Does

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that indicate Does that indicate in any
way, shape or form, that there

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is a shift changing in the younger
generation that the younger generation is not pro

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Israel. They're very much, very
much more in line with maybe Palestine,

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or very much more in ligne with
maybe some of the Islamic countries that they

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at least support. That is there
something going on there. I think that's

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something to look at. But that's
what's kind of going on in the general

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culture. But when it comes to
the younger generation within Christianity, the younger

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evangelicals, the young people who are
going to become the leaders of the church

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moving forward, has there been a
shift and their views about Israel? Now,

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something's going on in the culture.
Sometimes what you do is you watch

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what's going on in the culture and
you start looking to see how that is

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manifesting or showing up inside the church. Right, the church always follows culture.

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I mean that's just historically true.
Wherever the culture goes, the church

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will follow. It always does to
some level. It's inevitable. It may

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take a little while, but it
will follow. It always does. So

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if the younger generation seems to be
very much more pro Palestine anti Israel,

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I think that's fair to say.
I think I can't dogmatically assert, you

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know, percentages and be able to
give you a statistical argument, but I

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think there's definitely a But it this
way, we saw more on the college

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campuses of people going against Israel than
standing with them. I think that that

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is true. I could be wrong, but I think that that's relatively true.

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Right, And maybe many who were
for Israel just were silent, and

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so maybe there was more of them, but they just did not decide to,

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you know, start a protest or
a rally. But I think it's

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fair to say that there's something going
on in the culture. So now how

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does that transfer or translate into the
church. Is there a new generation that's

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like, you know what, we're
not Nope, we don't support Israel,

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we're not pro Israel. And what
follows that if you're not going to be

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pro Israel, you're not going to
be so much the support of Israel.

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It's inevitable that your eschatology is going
to have to change because certain eschatology,

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some systems of eschatology by definition,
are going to be much more pro Israel.

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God is not done with Israel.
God is not done with the nation.

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He's going to fulfill promises for them, like they're still looking for the

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restoration of the nation. They're going
to receive the land, there's going to

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be a new temple built, like
all of these things are going going to

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happen, and so they are very
much more pro Israel. Now there's still

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a lowed part of evangelicalism that is
very pro Israel. Well, we're not

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talking about the majority of evangelicalism.
We're talking about the younger generation. The

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younger generation that may not be as
heard, may not be as visible,

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they may not be a scene because
they may not be the leaders at this

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time in the evangelical world. But
is there something going on in the younger

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generation moving them away from an eschatology
that would be pro Israel to an eschatology

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that would be more like eh Israel. Whatever is there something happening? Well,

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I'm just going to put forth hypotheses
that was presented on a podcast.

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If I can find the page for
the podcast, here we go. It

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actually was started as an article that
was published June the eleventh, twenty twenty

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four, so yesterday, and the
headline read this way inside the End Times,

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how young evangelicals shifting views on Israel
could have major implications. And I

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was like, oh, that's got
my attention. Let me read that to

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you again, inside the End Times, how young evangelicals shifting views on Israel

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could have major implications. Now,
if you've been paying attention, we have

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been doing a series on eschatology.
We've done kind of an overview, a

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survey of eschatology. We have looked
at very specific systems post millennialism, a

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millennialism, premillennialism. We've looked at
the Abrahamic Covenant, We've looked at the

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I don't think we finished the Davidic
Covenant yet. We've been looking at very

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specific things related to eschatology, much
more kind of an overviewway instead of going

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all in. But just and I
have mentioned this kind of movea moving away

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from a pro Israel eschatology to some
of these others that would be much less

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inclined to support Israel or not even
be worried about the nation of Israel,

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thinking the nation of Israel's done and
the nation of Israel has been replaced.

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So I started talking about that and
kind of warning about that. So when

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I saw this how young evangelical shifting
views on Israel could have major implications,

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I'm like, oh, wait,
this is something I was talking about.

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So I scrolled down and it says
there is some shifting tides among young evangelicals

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and their support for Israel. I'm
like, okay, okay, all right,

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this is what I thought that this
is possibly was happening that many.

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Okay. I may not have left
it for just the young. I think

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even in many of the older generation
there's some moving away from a eschatology that's

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pro Israel. Okay. So I
think there is a shift and views on

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eschatology. I think there is a
shift happening in the church. I think

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that that's fair to say, and
it may have been going on for a

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while, but I think there is. And I don't know if we can

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be dogmatic, but at least this
is picking up my concern and what I

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was thinking, my theory, my
hypotheses, and so here's what they say.

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The Christian Post John Brown joins the
Inside Story to explore how the number

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of young evangelicals in the United States
who support Israel and view it as crucial

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to the end times is declining.
And I'm like, oh, something is

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going on. But I'm like,
okay, the Inside Story. What's the

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inside Story? And I'm like,
oh, the Inside Story from the Christian

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Post. That's a podcast. So
I'm like, let me go find said

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podcast. So I went and found
the podcast. Now it took me a

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minute, and once I looked at
it and I'm like, oh, the

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inside Story from the Christian Post.
I remember this because when the Edifi Christian

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podcast app first, you know,
came on the scene. They have the

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Edify Christian Podcast Network and only certain
podcasts are a part of that network,

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okay, and they get promoted primarily
on the Edifi Christian Podcast app. Now,

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to be fair, I've not looked
at the Edifi Christian Podcast app and

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I don't even know how long.
Part of the reason is I don't think

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they've done an update on the app
in two years. I don't think they've

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updated the app. I think maybe
in two years. Maybe I'm wrong.

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It's been a long time. So
it feels like they started this thing and

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they, I don't know, it
ran out of steam funding attention. I

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don't know what happened. But the
podcasts are still out there, just as

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far as the Edifi Christian Podcast app. I mean, you can go take

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a look at it today and see
what you think. But I was really

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excited for what this thing could be, but it just never gained any momentum

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or traction. And I think the
reason why is people are like, wait,

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I don't why am I going to
go to the Edifi Christian podcast app

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to listen to these Christian podcasts when
I can find these Christian podcasts on my

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normal podcasting app, and people,
you know that's but then you think,

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but these are always the Christian podcast
You may be able to discover more that

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way. I don't know. It
just seems like it was very difficult to

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get people to embrace it or to
even start using it. I was having

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a hard time even trying to get
the audience of this podcast to go try

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it out. I mean, I
had a very hard time to move anyone

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in that direction. People just kind
of set in their way. So I

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don't know. I'm hoping the Edifi
Christian podcast app gets a major update and

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they start talking about it more,
promoting it more. Maybe they could do

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something with it. I think it
still has you know, there's got to

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be something we could do with that. But I have no control over that.

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So as soon as I realized it
was a part of the Edifi Christian

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podcast network, I'm like, oh, okay, I remember this one.

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I haven't listened to it and probably
I don't know forever, but all right,

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the inside story from the Christian Post. So I grabbed the audio.

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You want to hear a little bit
of it. It's only like ten minutes

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long. Let's see what they have
to say in regards to this supposedly shift

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that is occurring that younger evangelicals are
moving away from a support of Israel,

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and gets what the reason why they're
not supporting Israel? They're changing their eschatology.

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Now you could argue, are they
changing their eschatology because they no longer

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support Israel out of because that's what
the younger generation are. They being influenced

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by the culture, and then they're
looking for a philological reason to support that

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view, Like, hey, everyone
around me, this younger generation, they're

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not supporting Israel. I'm not going
to support Israel. Okay, Well,

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well I need I need, I
need a biblical argument for not supporting Israel.

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Well, here's these systems of eschatology
that are not so pro Israel.

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Which is moving? Is it the
culture moving young younger evangelicals to change their

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eschatology or did they change their eschatology
and that's leading them to change their view

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on Israel? Like, what's the
cause and effect? That's almost sometimes impossible

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to draw a dogmatic conclusion, but
it is something to be like when you

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see the culture doing it and then
all of a sudden you see young evangelicals

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doing the same thing. I mean, come on, it's not the young

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evangelicals influencing those young people on campus
who are pro Palestine. It's not getting

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that from young evangelicals. So to
me, I'm more concern that it's the

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culture influencing young evangelicals. But I
cannot draw that conclusion dogmatically. Well let's

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see what they had to say about
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it wherever you get your favorite podcast. Here we go, Welcome to the

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Inside Story. I'm Billy Hollowell and
I'm joined today by Christian Post reporter John

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what's going on when it comes to
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State. John, how you doing
today? I'm good, Billy, Thanks

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for having me. So. You
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going to link out to it in
the comments so people can read it.

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But we're going to be talking through
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for Israel Dispensationalism declines among younger evangelicals. This is based on a study.

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But you went really deep in just
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Let's just start with younger evangelicals.
What is happening right now with young

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evangelicals when it comes to their support
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Jerusalem Post noted earlier this year that
a recent study by two academics out of

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Boston University in UNC found that support
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to twenty twenty one. So these
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me. They presented their findings at
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they found that about seventy percent of
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in twenty eighteen, but that that
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by twenty twenty one. Wow,
twenty eighteen, over seventy percent to like

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thirty something percent. We got to
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talk about cratered. What happened?
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That's like a that's like driving over
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looking over the cliff and then you're
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floor and you just fall off the
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world. Hey, we support Israel? We boom, We're done with Israel?

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Like what happened? Okay, I
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those numbers that that's not just like
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percentage. That sounds insane. Let's
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that again. At a recent study
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UNC found that support for Israel cratered
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one. So these two professors,
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presented their findings at Tel Aviv University
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about seventy percent of American evangelicals under
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but that that number had dropped to
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one. And also in twenty eighteen, only five percent said they supported the

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Palestinians in twenty eighteen, but in
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twenty twenty one. That is crazy, So like seventy percent to under thirty

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four percent support of Israel and then
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who support the Palestinians. Okay,
I look, I try to pay attention

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as much as possible, right,
I try to pay attention to what's going

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on. I turn on this microphone
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What did I miss? Like?
Where where was I like? I

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was I asleep at the will on
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about this a little bit. But
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mean I knew the shift was happening. I felt that it was happening.

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past, like kind of changing their
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felt like, okay, but I
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of a sudden, the younger generation
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is or anymore, and we're more
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happened. Let's see if they offer
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professors told me that premillennial pastors are
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millennial pastors, and they all they're
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he thinks might be playing into this. Yeah, it's really interesting. So

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premal pastors are old, all mail
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people are being influenced by the younger
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are we reaching a time now?
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in the evangelical mindset. Is the
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old pastors. I don't like those
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not they're not as diverse, they're
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the younger generation I want the younger
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mill and we're postmil the pre mill
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something of the past. That's the
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dispensationalism. And we don't want grandma's
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millennialism and post millennialism. I know, philologically speaking, the all millennialism is

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not young, but I understand it's
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like I don't want to listen to
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could be problematic, Right, if
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You're not going to attract a younger
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audience because the younger audience wants a
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not throwing out the wisdom of the
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contrary to a biblical worldview. Hey, these older men, forget them,

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now we can be anti Israel.
I'm pro Palestinian. Let's see if they

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give us some more information here,
sang. And obviously we're throwing out a

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lot of Christian terms. Some believers
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not. When it comes to you
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bit of a background on what exactly
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to belief in the end times,
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millennialism, but basically all of them
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the tribulation mentioned in Revelation seven and
other chapters. And they also separate the

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second coming in the Last Judgment in
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series portrayed what's called the pre tribulational
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church is going to be raptured before
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pre tri pre Mills especially believe that
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step in God's timetable for the Second
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about Israel's especially pertinent in light of
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because it will impact in some ways
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conflict in Gaza, when it comes
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questra of Palestinian state. It will
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you know, with young people moving
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eschatology, let's just talk a little
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just help break those down. I
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of terms here. I hate when
I hate when they like, well,

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I know we've got all these terms, and maybe people won't understand. How

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can anyone been a Christian for fifteen
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millennial, a millennial, post millennial? I mean, what what are you

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doing in church other than having donuts
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out loud? Okay? If I
always hate when pastors are Christian podcasts like,

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we're afraid to use these terms because
people may not now if your audience

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has lost people, then okay,
but any Christian who goes to a even

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a poor church that's sure, and
poor means poor in their theology, should

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be able to know those story.
If your church just avoids theological terms or

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like, oh, those theologians use
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to use those, then then that's
a problem. That's a problem. Okay,

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you don't dumb down philological education.
You make the people rise up to

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it. You don't dumb it down. I can't stay I hate that,

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Like, well, these terms we
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have covered all of these terms in
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this episode in that series so you
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go through pre millennial, a millennial, post millennial, we go through all

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of them. So, but there's
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to a MIIL and post Now they're
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basic reasons were well premal pastors are
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gotta be to see I'm gonna reject. I mean, look, the people

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who do the study no more than
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can't see that it's that simple.
I think the younger generation is being influenced

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by the culture, That's what I
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who are awe male and postmont who
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listen to I. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong. I could be

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wrong. I don't know. That
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age of thirty and see if we
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listen to Christian podcasters or listen to
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who are like older, like fifty
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between the age of twenty, in
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them. Is it an age thing? I think there's something in the culture

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impacting But all right, he's not
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millennialism of post millennialism. Of course
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couple of seconds. You can go
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in our series on eschatology. Right, but let's see what they have to

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say. Kind of move on after
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people to understand. Yeah, it's
very complicated. My eyes were researching all

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this stuff. But basically, all
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nation of Israel features much in God's
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believe that the Church is going to
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is going to return after that.
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Revelation twenty is symbolic and that we've
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century. Basically, so both schools
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the Last Judgment are going to take
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not what the pre mials believe.
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for the Second Coming, right now, you know, you're in the you're

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in the end times. There's not
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you know, literal reign of Christ
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sort of the second coming. Would
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the post millennial perspective. Just to
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Jesus's return when when he comes,
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Church is sort of the world has
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usher in the Kingdom of Heaven in
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he will find an earth that has
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and post Mill, for the most
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mean Israel, Israel as itself has
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mean, maybe an oversimplification, but
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the nation of Israel in the land. Get all of the land promises,

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get all the promises fulfilled. No, no, Israel's done. We're the

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Church. The promises to Israel are
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made spiritual. They're not necessarily physical
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that's that's the big difference when it
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in the context of which system of
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ones are not, or which ones
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or feel like they have more freedom
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in a way is like a symbol
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I personally I find that hard to
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believe it. Yeah, it's interesting
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a mil would probably share more in
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deep into, about the Antichrist and
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tribulation period, all of this sort
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before the second coming with you know, a rapture sort of mixed in there.

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just getting back to the generational divide,

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why does it matter? Well,
I think it's important because the way Christians

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in this country view Israel is going
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first, why matters is because not
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issue of truth. And but here
I cannot stress this enough and all so

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many podcasters missed this when it comes
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millennialism, the issue here, let
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because these issues are profoundly connected to
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then have a hermanutic that's going to
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literal land, and that's literally going
to be fulfilled. You got to come

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along and go, no, that's
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which basically means the Church, and
that land promise is not going to be

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actually land. It's power influence that's
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hermautic has to allow for that.
If you're pre millennial, you're gonna be

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like no, it says Israel.
It's Israel. When the New covenants made

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with the House of Judah, the
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that's literally made with Israel. God's
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Israel, like because you hold to
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I know a millennialists hate that and
say, well, we're literal too,

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but yeah. But the point is
there's a massive difference in hermineutical approach to

406
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.799
Old Testament prophecies from an all millennial
perspective and a pre millennial perspective, which

407
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:23.960
greatly impacts hermoneutics because if you're going
to change your hermaeutic in these areas,

408
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and then how do you proceed forward
and other passages of scripture? Same with

409
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.759
post millennialism. These are hermeneutical issues. Everybody wants to fight, well,

410
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.759
my system of eschatology is better than
your system of eschatology. Look, I

411
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got no problem fighting for your system
because your system is either true or false.

412
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And obviously you believe your system is
true, which makes all the other

413
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.480
systems false by default because they both
all they all can't be right. But

414
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to me, the greater issue is
this is a hermeneutical issue. This is

415
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not an eschatology. An eschatological issue
is a hermanutical issue. Eschatology is all

416
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about hermaneutics. How did you derive
that that's not Israel and that's not Land

417
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.400
and that promise is not going to
be literally fulfilled? When the chapter before,

418
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:17.400
the chapter after gives a prophecy about
Babylon, or gives a prophecy about

419
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:18.680
there's going to be a virgin who
as a child, and you're like,

420
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.000
well, that's literal Babylon, or
that's literal, that's literal Land, or

421
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.279
that's literal Israel, and all of
that's literal. But then another part you're

422
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.119
like, well that's not literal Israel
and that's not literal, Like how do

423
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.640
you just change your herminutic. When
it's a prophecy about the first coming a

424
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.440
Christ, you're like, that's literal. When it's a prophecy about the second

425
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:38.880
Coming, you can get like,
well I don't think that's literal, and

426
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.519
that was fulfilled in the church.
Well why did all of a sudden it

427
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:48.200
become non literal. It's a hermeneutical
issue, so it matters because only one

428
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.079
system of eschatology can be right and
it matters because this has profound impacts on

429
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:59.400
hermonutics. And as he's saying,
it also matters because it's going to have

430
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:08.200
major geopolitical implications on Well, if
the younger generation isn't pro Israel and they're

431
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:13.440
pro Palestine, they're not going to
vote for candidates that are pro Israel,

432
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:20.000
meaning the younger evangelicals may move away
from support from Republicans who tend to be

433
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:25.720
pro Israel. Wow, that could
be a that could be a good thing.

434
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.240
All right, Okay, I won't
get into my whole. When I

435
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.200
get into people get all confused.
But my issue is I think the church

436
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:36.400
has been so politicized that the best
thing that could happen is we have no

437
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.200
political party to vote for, so
that the church would stop worrying about voting

438
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:45.440
in politics and elections and start worrying
about theology, doctrine and the Bible and

439
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.519
the Gospel, etc. Okay,
so but we won't get into that.

440
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:52.319
All right, let's see let them
finish this up. Historically, the US

441
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:57.160
has been a key ally of Israel, and a lot of that support was

442
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.440
because of evangelicals. And I think
if evangelicals stop seeing Israel as a key

443
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.839
part of the end times and of
their faith, they might become more critical

444
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.200
of that country, which could end
up having a major impact in terms of

445
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:14.319
how we treat them. But that
that remains to be seen. Yeah,

446
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.119
and you know, there's so much, there's so much notta unpackt But the

447
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:22.400
numbers are I mean, the numbers
are pretty shocking when you look at the

448
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.240
support that you sort of laid out, you know, in in the piece

449
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:30.400
here, you had you know,
thirty three point six percent of young evangelicals

450
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.839
under thirty expressing support for Israel in
late twenty twenty one, but that was

451
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.839
sixty seven point nine percent twenty eighteen. And then you know, conversely,

452
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.400
on the other side, in twenty
twenty one, you had twenty four percent

453
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:46.400
of young evangelicals saying they supported Palestinians, up from just five percent in twenty

454
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:54.839
eighteen. So to your point,
now, even he is somewhat shocked by

455
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.680
those number, those numbers are utterly
shocking. Like, I mean, like

456
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:05.519
those numbers are insane. I don't
eveven know what's going on with those numbers.

457
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.599
Now, Like what happened Now some
of you may want to put the

458
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:16.239
well, the church started stop teaching
eschatology, the church stopped emphasizing eschatology.

459
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:21.639
I don't know if we can put
the blood what happened that those numbers are

460
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.480
staggering in my mind. I mean, that's not just like a oh,

461
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:29.239
it's a it's a ten percent drive. It's just like it's just like the

462
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:35.199
whole thing just imploded. There is
going to be, you know, a

463
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.840
potential impact on those views in the
geopolitical sense. What what do we think

464
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:45.239
is driving these shifts in these changes? Well, that's the question. I

465
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.159
mean, I don't I don't think
we can really say yet. But I

466
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:51.400
interviewed doctor Richard Land, who is
the executive editor of the Christian Post,

467
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.400
and he's a premillennialist, and he
believes the shift might be happening because there's

468
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:59.320
an anti Semitism problem at American colleges, which is obvious to anyone who's been

469
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.199
watching the news, and he thinks
that might have seeped into the church.

470
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:07.760
And Okay, so Richard Land seems
to think it's a culture, the culture

471
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:12.000
influencing the church. I would agree
with Richard Land, because history just always

472
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:19.639
what uh what uh? History always
leads that direction that the culture influences the

473
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.880
church. I mean, history proves
that over that was going on in the

474
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.920
Church of Corinth. It's always happening. The culture influences the church. So

475
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.480
the culture is seeping into the church. And now we have this massive shift

476
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.119
and move away from support for Israel. And guess what you need. If

477
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.079
you're not going to support Israel,
You've got to change your eschatology. There's

478
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.840
no way you can be dispensational premillennial. There's no way you can be dispensational

479
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.199
pre millennial and say I don't support
Israel, I support the Palestinians. There's

480
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:51.119
just no way. You're going to
have to be a millennial or post millennial.

481
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.559
You're going to have to be if
you're going to maintain any adherence to

482
00:35:53.599 --> 00:36:01.199
your Christianity. You're going to have
to convinced younger people to adopt eschatologies that

483
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.760
don't emphasize Israel. And that could
definitely be playing a role. But I

484
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.880
also talked to doctor Charles Hill,
who is a theology professor at Reform Theological

485
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.719
in Orlando. He actually used to
be a dispensation list, but he said

486
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.800
his studies convinced him that the millennial
perspective is what the early Church believed.

487
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.840
He came to believe that the land
promises to Israel and the Old Testament were

488
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:28.239
actually pointing to Christ and symbolic of
his ownership of the world, and that

489
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.360
the Apostles believe this too, and
that's what they were teaching. So I

490
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:36.000
think there are a lot of issues. That's such a reform position. Hey,

491
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.079
we believe in all millennialism because the
Early Church did well, we're going

492
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.719
to go back to everything the Early
Church believed. Go listen to my discussion

493
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.480
about the Early Church and early and
some of their beliefs about baptism back then.

494
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.039
Those things were baptized in the nude. Crazy things, just crazy thing.

495
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:58.280
So just because the Early Church believes
something does not make it necessarily true.

496
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:04.480
Because my understanding is Scripture is the
final authority, not the Early Church.

497
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:10.000
If we're gonna make the Early Church
the final authority, then I guess

498
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:15.000
we just go back to Roman Catholicism, where we have a magisterial authority.

499
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.440
Right, But we don't have a
magisterial authority. It's supposed to be Scripture.

500
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.400
We judge the Early Church. The
Early Church does not determine what we

501
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.679
believe. We judge what the Early
Church believed by scripture? Is that not

502
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:31.440
the non Catholic view? And then
did you hear that that those land promises,

503
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.400
that point they points to christ ownership
of the earth, and that's what

504
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:45.079
the disciples believed. Yeah, that's
what the disciples believed. That's what the

505
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.800
disciples believe when they asked us to
see this question, is he I think

506
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.119
it's in the Book of Acts.
Let me see if I can find it

507
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:58.360
really quick. Jesus is about to
ascend. Yeah, this is what hey,

508
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.079
hey, those Old Testament promises.
They're appointing to your ownership of the

509
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:07.079
earth. Right, and so hang
on, all right, here we go.

510
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.320
See. Therefore, when they had
come together, so Jesus has died,

511
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.079
buried, he's risen, risen from
the dead. He's about to ascend

512
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.880
to the Father. The disciples are
there with him, and they and they

513
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.400
say, when they had come together, they asked him saying, Lord,

514
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.320
will you at this time restore the
kingdom to Israel. They're looking for a

515
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:30.920
literal fulfillment, a literal Israel being
literally restored. And of course, and

516
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.400
any restoration of Israel is going to
include the land. And what does he

517
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.440
say? Hey, guys, guys, guys, no, no, no,

518
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:37.119
no, no, no no,
no, no no no, it's

519
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.880
the Church. Now, it's not
going to be Israel. No, he

520
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.639
says, it's not for you to
know. The times are the seasons which

521
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.480
the Father have put in his own
authority. He doesn't deny that it's going

522
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:51.320
to happen. He just says it's
not. It's not it's not for you

523
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.199
to know the time. But he
doesn't deny that it's going to happen.

524
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.960
So you're going to read the Old
Testament, go, hey, these promises

525
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.599
of land and a rest restoration of
Israel, that's all just symbolic of Christ

526
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.360
and his ownership of the earth.
Everyone in the Old Testament would have been

527
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.880
like, oh, that's not real
land. We're going to get good.

528
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:14.559
Look from all the discussion of land
in the Book of Genesis to Abraham and

529
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.280
his descendants, land land, land, land, land, land, land

530
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.719
land, even the passages that deal
with the New Covenant, land, Jerusalem

531
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:30.559
restoration. This it's it's insane how
you can do that. And trust me,

532
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.480
I went to all millennial school,
so I know the view relatively.

533
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:39.519
Well, it's just see it's a
hermaeutical issue. See to me, at

534
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.000
that point, it's a hermoneutical issue. It's not even about eschatology, and

535
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.239
it's like, how can I make
my hermaeutic work to say that when the

536
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.480
land was promised, that it's fulfilled
in Jesus and it symbolically shows his ownership

537
00:39:53.519 --> 00:40:00.400
of the earth. Like what in
the world that sounds so so spiritual.

538
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.119
It may sound so academic, and
we can always say the Early Church,

539
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.320
the Early Church, the Early Church, the Early Church. Well, if

540
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:12.400
the Early Church is the authority,
well then we need to develop some kind

541
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:19.039
of magisteral authority that continues to have
that same authority, right, playing into

542
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.440
why younger Christians are moving away from, you know, the premal point of

543
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.320
view. But it's going to take
time to see how that plays out.

544
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.440
Yeah, you know, I think
when people, you know, go into

545
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:30.719
the book of Ezekiel, for instance, and they look at the value of

546
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:37.000
dry bones and Ezekiel thirty seven,
it does become, you know, when

547
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:42.639
it comes to Israel complex because you
have what appears to be nineteen forty eight,

548
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.360
right in some ways, I know
there are different takes on what's going

549
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.440
on in the Old Testament in Ezekiel, but I do think the big sticking

550
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.599
point here for everybody that they do
have to hash through is what are the

551
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.239
odds that a country would go away
for almost two thousand years and be back

552
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.519
on the map again. You know, how does that happen? What other

553
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.159
country has that ever happened with?
And I think we know the answer is

554
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.239
none. So this Israel really is
a central piece of the puzzle here.

555
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.159
And I would also say, and
that you know, I don't want to

556
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:14.519
over editorialize here. It is strange
that the entire world it's not as though

557
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:19.480
this country came back and there's no
conversation about it. Israel is very much

558
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:23.320
the centerpiece of most of the headliness, as is the Middle East going on

559
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:30.280
for the last you know, two
or three decades right internationally, so even

560
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.840
longer than that. So there's there's
a lot there to unpack. Did just

561
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.599
one other question for you as you
were going through working on this piece,

562
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.199
because I know a lot of work
went into it, did it shift or

563
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:44.719
change your perspective or challenge your perspective
at all? Your personal eschatology? It

564
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:50.159
just convinced me that I'm not sure
what I believe on these issues because it's

565
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:54.320
so complicated and it's it's you know, I often think that when Jesus came

566
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:58.800
the first time, no one had
everything right. You know, none of

567
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:02.360
the Jewish secx understood good all of
the prophecies correctly. So I don't think

568
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:08.320
that anyone probably has everything right.
I probably tend towards an amillennial perspective personally.

569
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.920
But again, this is not about
salvation, so you know, I

570
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:20.679
welcome any sort of debate. But
that is where I think things started going

571
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.440
wrong because I heard lots of pastors
start saying, you know, eschatology,

572
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.639
it's not it's not about salvation.
So you can believe whatever you want.

573
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.920
You can believe whatever you want.
You can believe whatever you want about eschatology,

574
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.480
right, And that sounds so wonderful
and so great. But what you

575
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.679
don't realize is what's happening is for
you to believe certain things about eschatology has

576
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:49.559
an impact on your hermeneutics that is
profoundly disturbing and concerning. Right. So

577
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.320
I think that was the first issue
is where we're just not gonna worry about

578
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.119
it. We're not gonnaorr about We're
just gonna we're's gonna play down what's gonna

579
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:59.679
play down? Second thing, I
think started happening is churches. I can't

580
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.679
dan the way many churches operate because
they operate under this assumption. Right,

581
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.559
They're like, hey, here's what
we believe, and we're only gonna present

582
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:13.960
this side, right, We're gonna
we'll just barely mention the other side just

583
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.440
to criticize it or say this is
what they believe but it's wrong, but

584
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.360
not really dig into each side or
let the people struggle through it. Like

585
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.639
okay, wait a minute, this
side says this. Okay, guys,

586
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.719
if that is true. Let's see
if that's true. So we're gonna look

587
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.760
up every reference to this word or
this term, and we're gonna look at

588
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:37.599
every scripture to see what conclusion we
can come to. In other words,

589
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.480
the churches just loves to just say
this is what you're supposed to believe.

590
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.400
But times are changing. Times change. Young people could be like, okay,

591
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:50.360
well you can tell me that.
Get on their phone in five seconds

592
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.239
to fourteen Google searches, ask AI, look up fifteen podcasts and go no,

593
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.840
sorry, don't believe anything you said
and you misrepresented what you did say.

594
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:01.320
So what you have to do now
is I think you have to tell

595
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.920
you have to present to your audience. Hey, guys, guys, look,

596
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.280
we're gonna be dealing with eschatology.
There's lots of views out there.

597
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:12.039
So what we're gonna do is we're
going to lay aside our presuppositions and we're

598
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:16.199
going to start brand new because our
past understanding has no present influence on our

599
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:21.079
present study. It's useless in our
present study. So all right, here's

600
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.039
what I'll millennialists believe. Here's claim
number one. All right, well,

601
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.320
now let's go challenge this. So
we're going to look up this and look

602
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.039
up this. Now, guess what. Most churches won't do that because the

603
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.039
people will get bored and they won't
like it, and it's tedious. Well,

604
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.679
when we were looking up, you
know, arguments about Israel versus spiritual

605
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.000
Israel. What did my church do? We spent six I think it was

606
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:46.159
almost six months looking up every use
of the word Israel in the entire Bible.

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I think it was over three thousand
times the word was used. And

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we go, is that national Israel
or is that so called spiritual Israel?

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How do we understand that? What
are we basing that on? Wait a

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minute, okay, the people say
the land is this or this, let's

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look up every use of the reference
to the word land, or all the

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times it's it it talks about Israel
and Land. Let's go through e and

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we we would just go looking up
one reference after another, reference after another

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reference, night after night after night, a Monday, Sunday night, a

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Wednesday night, a Sunday school doing
hour hour and it was tedious, and

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probably anyone would have walked in would
have been like, I don't want nothing

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to do with this church. But
guess what, when we were done,

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there was no question or speculation or
like they were like, look, I've

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looked at I've looked up every verse. I know what the Bible actually says.

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But churches didn't do that. And
I think I think that that was

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a by saying, hey, this
is not salvation related, so don't worry

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about it. No, but it's
only hermoneutic related. That's that's profoundly impactful

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because that goes how you're going to
interpret parts of the Bible. So even

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if it's not salvation is not dependent
upon it, you're in our hermeneutical system

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could be dependent upon it. So
that's number one and number two stop with

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this, just like, here's what
we believe, and we're only going to

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say this. There's gonna be people
out there who are going to be looking

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at all the different systems. Go
ahead and embrace the fact all the information

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is out there and struggle through all
of it. There's some of my thoughts,

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I really just genuinely don't know well, and I love that you said

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that too, because a lot of
Christians get very upset on some of these

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issues. There's a lot of argumentation, especially on the rapture. But these

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are not salvation issues. They are
important issues to talk through and hash out.

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But you know, this is not
the centerpiece of Christianity. It's a

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big piece of it. You know, it does impact what we think about

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the world around us and theology,
and again it's important, but it is

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not a salvation issue. And hey, it's not a salvation issue, so

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don't worry about it. We did
a podcast on it, but don't really

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worry about its salvation issue. Hey, these numbers utterly createred. They could

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have a massive impact on our geopolitical
future. Hey, don't worry about it.

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We're not gonna deal with the hermonutical
issues. Okay, But there you

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have it. That is the inside
story from the Christian Post. Please find

643
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their podcast subscribe to it. You
see how short it is gives you.

644
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It kind of keeps you up to
date with what's going on in the world

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of Christianity. So it's definitely worth
subscribing to. I need to subscribe to

646
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it on all my other podcast apps
I used to. I think I used

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to have it on my Edify Christian
podcast app, but I probably need to

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find it on all the others.
I think it should be relatively easy to

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find. It should be. I've
got another story that they that kind of

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builds on this. This one was
published on May the twenty ninth, twenty

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twenty four. The headline here is
support for Israel dispensationalism declines among younger evangelicals,

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and it's a study evangelicals under thirty
increasingly embrace all millennialism and postmillennialism.

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The Church is changing, Ladies and
gentlemen, the Church is changing. If

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the younger generation, the younger evangelicals, are moving that direction, then guess

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what the future is going to be. Maybe ten, maybe twenty years from

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now, it's going to be dominated
by a millennialist and post millennialists. What

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will be the implications to the church
and what will be the implications to hermonuitics.

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Now, there could be a shift
back, but something is changing.

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I mean there was a time the
church was pro primarily amillennial, right,

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I think that's fair to say,
And then there was a major shift that

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began to occur, and then everyone
started moving to a pre millennial view and

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pre millennialism dominated the church. Now
we're going to be going back to maybe

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an anmillennial dominated or a post millennial
dominated view. What does that mean?

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So what I'll do is I will
send if you're using church one app Church,

665
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if you go to the Apple App
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666
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:09.079
church one app churchne do a search
for Theology Central that turns that app into

667
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:15.119
our app basically, and because it
pulls everything in from our SS feed,

668
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so you'll have all of our content, I can send out notifications on that.

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So I'll send out a notification which
will contain a link to this article.

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Support for Israel dispensationalism declines among younger
evangelicals, and you can look at

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that as a supplemental material for this. Because it's now forty nine minutes that

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we've been talking, it's now four
to oh one I've yet to have lunch,

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and I'm going to die, all
right. Maybe that's a little bit

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of exaggeration, but my stomach is
starting to growl, like it's telling me,

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you need food. So that's what
I'm going to go do. So

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you have food for thought. I
would like to believe that food for thought

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would sustain us, but we do
need physical food. Fortunately, we have

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to have it. Okay, it
takes up a lot of time and it

679
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can be irritating, but we have
to have it, all right, So

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there you go. I would love
to get your thoughts. You can email

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me NEWSI F at yahoo dot com. NEWSI F at yahoo dot com.

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Everyone have a great day, a
great evening, and times are a changing. God bless