Daniel 9:24

0:02 Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone. It is Wednesday, December the eleventh, twenty twenty four. It is currently twelve six pm Central Time, and I am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio located right. Here in Abilene, Texas. It is hard to believe, at least. For me, that it's basically been a year since we started the entire Sermons two point zero app challenge, Right.

0:44 It's been basically, I mean it's been a little bit. I mean we're getting close, we're almost it's not quite a year. I think it was like I would have to go back and look at the very first message I started mentioning it, but it was in December of twenty twenty three. Now we're in December the eleventh, twenty twenty four, so we're fast approaching a year since we started the Sermons two point oh app sermon challenge, right, And it's crazy to just think that it's already been almost a year. And if you go back and listen to some of those messages of December twenty twenty. Three, I didn't even really know if the. Broadcast would still be going. So it's been it's kind of been an interesting my perception, my feelings about how twenty twenty four was going to go. There were some things correct about it, right because I did feel that it was kind of bringing the church was going to come to an end. That hasn't really happened, but in many ways it feels.

1:41 Like it it has. It's hard to I mean, I don't want to get into a long story about all of that, so we're kind of just wait. It's kind of like just a feeling like we're just waiting. We're just kind of waiting and how that's all going to play out? Then? How is that going to impact the future of the podcast? Like there's so many questions and I don't have any answers for any of it. So it's kind of it's like I thought all of these big things were going to happen, and we get to the end of twenty twenty four and well, we're kind of still waiting for those big things to happen. Those big things will happen at some point, it just is taking much longer. But hey, here we are, and all we can do is continue to move forward and the one thing that I want to try to accomplish.

2:25 The one thing I want to try to. Accomplish is do my very best to bring the Sermon's two point oh app sermon challenge to some kind of. Conclusion. Not me. That doesn't mean, oh, we're not going to do anything like that in twenty twenty five. I'm not saying that, but just I mean, we set aside a year to do this. Everyone has their thoughts and their mean opinions about whether they fill this was successful, whether they liked it, whether they disliked it. But I know we've had a lot of interesting conversation and discussions. This is the one thing I was not prepared for when I came up with the idea, right, because I had it kind of planned differently. Right.

3:11 I wanted to. Use the sermons two point oh app sermon challenge really in conjunction and connection with something else we were going to try to do. Right, And you can go back and listen to the end of the last year in the beginning of this year, and you can kind of see there was really these two ideas that we're going to kind of work together, and ultimately what happened is the Sermons two point oh app really just kind of took over and really started driving everything, driving what I was preaching, driving what I was doing on the podcast. It really just kind of took over and drove everything. And you know, if you think about it, logically, I should have seen that coming, right. I mean, if you're going to be taking the sermon's two point oh app and listening to sermon after sermon after sermon after sermon after sermon after sermon after sermon, right, keeping track, writing it down, writing a summary of each sermon, there is no I mean, I don't think if you're gonna even be remotely realistic, there's no way that's not going to take over and drive everything else because you're listening. At least for me, I'm listening to this sermon, listening to this sermon. Those sermons then are going to lead to further study, further consideration for their discussion.

4:30 It's just it just kind of took over. So in some ways, that's kind of fascinating, right that if I just listen to sermons, those sermons then ultimately lead to all of these other things that we talk about and study and these in depth studies, which it's kind of in some ways, if you think about it, that's kind of awesome, right that you've got this tool, the Sermons two point oh app, And if you'll just listen and then allow that listening to lead you into further study, further consideration, further meditation, further research, then you gain You're getting a lot more from that app than just listening to a sermon. Right, you can listen to a sermon and just be done, or you can listen to a sermon and consider it even if you disagree with it. The disagreement actually can do more of the driving you than if you agree, because if you disagree, it drives you to the text, it drives you to further research, it drives you to further study. So in some ways, the Sermon's two point zero app kind of just took over. It took over what I was doing from the pulpit, took over what I'm doing behind the microphone, and I guess I should be I guess I could see it as a negative thing. And there's been obviously some twists and turns this year where at times you've heard my frustration and my just almost exhaustion and just want to like what in the world, But in another way,

6:02 if those sermons has led to all of these discussions and all of these hours of study. Well then. Maybe I should do that, right, Maybe I should see it as a good thing. It all depends, It all depends maybe on the hour of the day how I am feeling. Sometimes you just like what is going on? Like what is happening in these sermons? Like it's like last night, you know, listening to a sermon that basically mocks the so called you know, scholars, mocks people who basically writes big books kind of just you know, hey, all of those people who supposedly know all of this stuff, they don't really know anything because it's really not that complicated.

6:52 And then within the same sermon goes and completely misuses the term immaculate conception, miss applies it completely, just makes categorical philological mistakes. And I mean that's frustrating, right, I mean that's maddening, Like why is that happening? But at the same time, what did it lead to? It led to us doing a discussion about the immaculate conception, offering that clarification, So that one thing led I mean I could have I could do more work on it even today, So and then if you go back Psaw eighty three, the whole Isaiah forty through fifty five, so many things. So I'm I don't know how it worked for you, because for you, it just may have been listened to a sermon, right, summarize it and just move on.

7:41 It may not have led to hours of discussion and thinking and meditation. But I think if we look back over this year, it was it was somewhat was a simple idea, right, And if I'm being honest, a lot of it was more like, well, by doing the sermons two point oh app sermon challenge, then if even if I don't broadcast, even if I go five days and don't do a program, everyone knows, oh, grab the sermon's two point oh app listen to a random sermon. They've got plenty to do. That will keep them busy, that will keep them engaged, even if I'm not producing content. So there was a little bit of, hey, this is great for me.

8:23 But at the same so there was a little bit of that at the same time, I was not necessarily prepared how much it was going to drive me. So I don't know, I don't know how you feel about it, but it really became as I'm looking back, and I'm going to do a lot of probably reflecting on this throughout the rest of this year. I mean, it's December the eleventh. I mean, we're just going to be talking a lot about it. I've got lots of mixed feelings. I still haven't necessarily processed it, because it's just shocking that we're already kind of at the end. I mean, it really feels like it was a couple of weeks ago, but it's been a year. It's been a year, and it's just been open up an apple, listen to a sermon, Open up an apple, listen to a sermon, Open up an apple, listen to a sermon.

9:12 And you never know exactly what's going to happen when you listen. But I think the one constant is the listening has then guided and directed all of my talking. The listening has guided the talking, but all of my talking into this microphone has really been directed, guided, motivated everything by the listening of the sermons. And I think that, I guess that's a good thing. It may be it may have led to my friend, like I could not necessarily prepared myself for how it impacted me. Emotionally intellectually, right. I don't know if I could have foreseen that, but I should have been able to foresee.

9:52 I should have been able to see. Hey, this is going to probably be more controlling than you are thinking. I probably should have seen. Hey, guys, let's just not worry about anything else. This is going to consume us, or at least it's going to consume me. So it's been an interesting journey. I don't know how you feel about it. I don't even know. Some of you participated a little bit. Some of you probably didn't even participate at all. And if you. Didn't participate, I feel like you kind of missed out on a pretty interesting experiment. Right. So, what we've taken an app that's a great resource. Whether you like the content, dislike the content, become very discouraged by the content, you can't deny that the content has led to hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of philological discussion. And I think for that it's been I hope it's been positive.

10:52 But we've got to bring this to some kind of conclusion. And I don't really know if there's any I mean, I think think all we can do is just keep reviewing sermons and just bring it to. Just end it. I don't think there's any dramatic way to do this, right, So are you ready? We're going to review another sermon. Now. I ended up on this one, and let me just explain. It was a wild ride. This morning. I was like, okay, so what do I do? What do I do? At first, I thought, well, last night we did the immaculate conception. I probably could start looking for some sermons about quote unquote Christmas, the virgin birth and all of all of those types of things, and probably find some other sermons that use, misuse misuses the term immaculate conception.

11:38 So I started listening to a few of them. Some of them they they didn't necessarily use the term immaculate conception, but they really weren't doing a lot, right. They weren't even doing a lot. There wasn't a lot there. Some of them were kind of hard to even follow. So I was like, well, okay, do I Eve, do I want to you know, belabor that point? Do I kind of want to beat that dead horse. I'm like, well, let me look for something else. Then I found a sermon said like ten words, ten commands something like that, and I'm like, oh, this could get us to maybe this is going to be about Exodus twenty, about the Ten Commandments. Maybe I could use this. Maybe this will be discussion about law and gospel. All right, Okay, we haven't dealt with that in a while. Okay, let me listen to it. So I started listening. And the only reason I started listening typically I just downloaded, is when I looked at the file. Like when I looked at the screen on the sermon audio website, the wavefile was all weird looking, right, They didn't have the normal bar.

12:39 If you ever, if you look at. The wavefile, you can see the ups and downs and kind of see when the volume gets. High or low or whatever. And I was like, that's a weird looking wavefile. So I started playing it. It's like thirty five thirty seven minutes. They never talked about ten words, ten commandments, never read a tech. I don't even know if they read a text. They talked about, hey, everyone in the church, sign up, and let us know if you're gonna do the friendship mill. And this activity and this activity, and let's sing a song, and hey, the. Church should be a Bible college and Okay, let's sing another. And then then the file just ended, and I'm like, well, there was no sermon. So I'm glad I listened to that, because that would have been a disaster if I would have just downloaded it and started reviewing. So I was like, man, so what do I do?

13:28 Well? Then all of a sudden I came. Across a message entitled I have it right here. I have a message entitled let me find it here. I got nine hundred things open. Six reasons why Daniel nine twenty four is not for the church exclamation point six reasons why Daniel nine twenty four is not for the church. And I'm like, ooh ooh, this could be interesting. This could be very interesting. So I downloaded it. Now I made a mistake here right Well, I don't know if it's a mistake.

14:10 I haven't listened to any of it. I'm just going to go with the idea they have to do it. I did hit play just to hear the volume, and it starts kind of weird. I don't know why they have this sound effect at the beginning. You tell me what you think about the sound effect at the beginning, and hopefully the volume is loud enough. One of the reasons I chose it, it's only thirty seven minutes. So that means even if we only review fifteen or twenty minutes of the audio, if that's all we do, you still got most of the sermon, right, So I think that that's I mean, because usually the last three or four minutes it's just summarizing what the sermon was, So you basically have about a thirty minute sermon. And so if we get through fifteen twenty minutes of it, even if I don't finish it, I don't feel like, well, you know, I didn't help you very much.

14:59 This way, you still get most of it. And of course it deals with a lot of things related to eschatology, which we still got to finish that series, So it kind of fits in with a lot of things. It deals with a lot of things we've discussed. How people will go to the Old Testament and apply things to the Church when I think it should be applied to Israel. So this fits with a. Lot of the discussions we've had throughout this year. So I'm like, Okay, this sounds good, and this is going with the idea. Hey, Daniel, nine twenty four is not for the church and here are six reasons. Well, I definitely want to hear these six reasons. It gives us six specific things that makes it easy to review. All right, So this just seems perfect.

15:40 So we'll just add this to another sermon that we have reviewed as part of our Sermon's two point zero Apps Sermon Challenge. And I think that's the only way to kind of we'll do some discussion about our feelings about the whole year. Maybe my feelings are going to change. You're gonna hear probably different perspectives because I think I've had probably twenty different perspectives of about the entire thing as the year has progressed. And I think my attitude is probably gonna change even more as we get closer to the end of this year. But are you ready? Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. Let's see how far we can get. I know, I spent now sixteen minutes. Yeah, but now I'm gonna sit there and kick myself going, man, the intro was too long. But at the same time, we've got to discuss some of these things. I've got to at least, I mean, if we're we've got to reflect back a little bit over it.

16:30 Right, So I don't know. I'll probably be now mad at myself for doing it that way. But are you ready? Let's at least jump in and see what we're going to find. As always, we never know where we're going. We don't ever know where we're gonna end up. That kind of makes this fun. Bible's open, Daniel nine twenty four, pencils in hand, notebooks open. Let's see what. Happens Daniel, chapter nine, and we're gonna be looking at verse twenty four. Okay, we have to stop right there. What is that sound effect? Why do they begin the sermon with this sound? Listen? This is a sermon, So why did they start the sermon this way?

17:13 Listen again, Daniel, chapter nine, and we're gonna be looking at verse twenty four? What is that? And if you hear the little like jump there that the sound was added in, so you have the sermon. They came in, added the sound. You hear the little jump, you can tell where the edit was, right. They added the file. And it's not a smooth transition, right, It's not like here's the file and it goes ding right into the sermon. No, No, he goes din like like almost a jump and then it goes into the sermon. Well, clearly that was added to it. Why is that like a boxing it's like a boxing bell, right like or like a wrestling ring, a wrestling bell that you know the timekeeper.

18:01 Keeps ding ding ding ding ding, you know when when the match is over? Is this like a boxing bell that announces the beginning of the next round? Did I say boxing ring? Okay? Boxing bell? Listen to it. Again, Daniel, Chapter nine. What I don't know what that's supposed to signify? Is it like ding ding ding ding ding? This is the beginning of the match. Maybe this is the is it? Is it announcing the beginning of the round? I don't know. It's if it was like the end of a wrestling match, it'll be like ding ding ding ding, or even the end of a boxing Matt, I don't know.

18:46 What this is. One more time, one more time, you tell me, what do you think? Like? Why is this here? Here we go. Daniel, Chapter nine, and we're gonna be looking at verse twenty four. Or I have no idea. I have no idea. I have no idea. I guess it's interesting. I just wish I understood why it was there but okay, I'm just gonna find some random sound to play before all of my messages. That's what I'm going to do. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna use maybe if I use you see, I'm gonna play some sounds. Tell me if these work? Should I use this? Yeah?

19:27 Yeah, yeah, that's supposed to be like a camera. I don't know what and I don't even know if that's gonna work. How about if I use this the coming storm sermon review time? Dude? Do I do that? How about this class is in session? Do I do that? How about this? That could be You're over dramatic? Right? That could be my you?

20:17 You because I do get accused you're so over dramatic. It's fake. I mean, and I got accused of being fake, which just drives me crazy. Like you don't even know me. You don't even if you know how I talk about anything, you would know I'm not being over dramatic. So maybe maybe that should be the sound? Right, let me do it again? What do you think? Do you like that one? How about this one that reminds me like the truth is out there? The X Files. I'm I'm your host, Molder agent molder. I'm here to find the truth. Do I go with an X Files theme?

21:03 And twenty twenty five? How about this one? I'm your detective seeking out the mysteries inside your bible? How about I go with that? What about this? Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'll be here all day. How about what about this.

21:45 America's number one podcaster is here, thank you, thank you. How about maybe maybe we go with a little bit more of this. That's just people that Hi. Do we just pick rat? I don't do I pick a random sound? I know, I know I'm being like, I'm really taking this too far. I know, and I'm wasting lots of time, But I don't get what this. Is Daniel, chapter nine, and we're going to be looking at verse twenty four. That's just so random, my good But all right, Daniel nine twenty four. Focus, ladies and gentlemen, focus, all right, focus, all right, here we go Daniel nine twenty four.

22:31 There are six things listed in Daniel nine in verse twenty four that have to do just by a way of review, that have to do with Daniel's people. And we know that because Daniel nine twenty four starts off seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and we talked about that last week. And then it says we know that this is a Jewish thing because it says then and upon thy holy city, and that holy city is Jerusalem. So when we're looking at Daniel, chapter nine, verse twenty four, here's the question. See if one of the young people can answer, is the church in view? Or is national Israel in view? Which one of the young people has the answer national Israel? That makes sense?

23:31 Wow, I feel like I'm listening to myself a little bit. I do feel like I'm listening to myself. He focused out seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and he's like, well, thy people in this context would not be the church and upon thy holy city that this is Israel, And then he asks the young people. I love that, and someone it sounds like a teenage girl answered. The question just like that, Just like that, all right? Why do I love pointing that out? Because I get sick and tired of churches treating young people like they're too dumb to be able to grasp and answer and understand theology. So you got to get them out of the sanctuary and put them in some classroom somewhere with some pizza and play some games and and I don't know, just do some ridiculous stuff. Young people can understand this stuff. Stop stop treating them like they're incapable. They're more than capable, right.

24:22 So I love So this is awesome. So already I feel like, oh man, we're we're on the same page here, because I love to ask young people. If I've got young people. Present, I tend to I would like to ask them questions more sometimes than the older people, because in many cases young younger. People, I think. They retain far more than people give them credit for retaining, is what I I at least that's my belief. So so this is this is right up my alley of fact ef fact. In some way, I feel like I'm listening to myself. Okay, let's see where this is going to go. Because as the Church, we aren't Israel, and so therefore we can't be called Daniel's people. Hey, Daniel's people would be Jewish people. And then we looked at these six things that are listed that still have to come to pass.

25:14 Okay, So he separates Israel in the church. The church is not Israel. Israel's not the church Okay, you know, I strongly believe that. I think the mixing of that. You didn't have to just start spiritual. Land isn't land, Israel isn't Israel. And once you start down that path hermeneutically, I don't know where you end up, ladies and gentlemen, because if Israel isn't Israel, land isn't land, this problem, I mean, then where do you stop? Well, then Virgin isn't virgin, you know, like you just start going through everything and the Old Testament going well, this isn't this and this isn't that. And they'll say, well, no, no, no, you can't do that. But you said land isn't land, Israel isn't Israel, Jerusalem isn't Jerusalem.

25:55 And so it just to me you have to do that. And it's not even about oh you were a disp socialist or oh you or that. It's not even about putting me in a category. It's about what's the best way to handle the text so that I can have some hermeneutical. Consistency to someone. No one is ever fully consistent because I think the text itself, the Bible itself, because you have different genres, different literary styles different purposes. There's no easy way to be consistent in your hermineutic, but I think you have to at least strive to be that, And I am who cares if striving to be consistent puts you in conflict with anyone's theological team, That's the thing.

26:40 You should be. More worried about hermonutical consistency. You know, legitimate hermeneutical principles, And who cares if that puts you at odds with the reformed people? Who cares if that puts you in conflict with the non reformed people. I don't care. I don't care if it offends your team. I don't care it offends your theology. I'm not bound by your team. I don't have to play your reindeer games. I don't have to wear your colors. I don't have to represent any No. I should care about. The text, and that that's really a part of the whole Protestant right tradition is scripture above philological team, scripture above church loyalty, scripture above.

27:25 Any of this. But as soon as you really try to put that into practice, everyone gets ticked off at you. Right, the charismatics get ticked off it you the non Charismatics get ticked off at you. The Baptist gets ticked off at you, the Presbyterians get ticked off at you, the Lutheran everyone will get ticked off at you. Because the way it's supposed to work is just supposed to take your Bible and interpret it according to whichever theological team you want to find favor with. I mean, you've got to remain consistent with that or you won't have a team. And if you don't have a. Team, well guess what, you're not going to be invited to conferences and you're not going to be popular because you're going to be ticking off to me if people just want to hear preachers who agree with their theological team.

28:12 So it's not about so in. This case, he's obviously representing a piological team. You can hear almost basically this is going to go with a dispensational idea. I think you can pretty much see where this is going. But you know what, I don't care if it goes with which I don't care when I listen to a sermon which team it represents. I just want to know is it true to the text. Well, I think if you look at Daniel nine twenty four, and you look at the context, I think thy people and the Holy City. I think that's going to reference Israel. I don't see how you can get around that. Now he says, there are six things mentioned in Daniel nine twenty four. All right, I think you should probably try to write those down. You can go ahead and start. And then I'm assuming he's going to list.

28:53 The six things. And it sounds like the six things are not for the church, there for Israel. And it's sounded like he said the six things have not come to pass as of yet. Now I don't know if he means they had not. Come to pass as of the time of Daniel, or they haven't come to pass even for us. Now I'm assuming he'll offer clarification. Here we go. Prophetically for a nation, not an individual now, but for a nation in the future. And the first thing, let's see if we can have Wilder find the first thing listed in Daniel nine twenty four.

29:34 We talked about it's for thy. People and thy Holy City and what comes after thy Holy City? To finish what to finish the transgression? Now, man, he's talking, is this a Sunday school class for kids? If it is. This is pretty awesome he's going after this. That sounded like a young kid who said, finish the transgression. I means you can go deep with care. I know, I know you're not so fut. No kids can understand this. They need they need puppets, they need they need I don't know, they need veggietails. I know this is all dated stuff, but they need fun food and activity. We can't go too do this. The kid figured out, Hey, the next thing that comes was finish the transgression. He's got to be paying attention. He's got to have a Bible open right to know what's coming next. Right, So all right, so that's just interesting. He's asking the young people.

30:34 He's engaging the young people. I really like this. This is a cool concept, pastors. You can talk to the young people. They're not incapable a right, So all right, So the first thing is finish the transgression. Now it sounds like he's saying, this is prophetic to something that's not yet occurred, and it's not for an individual, it's for Israel. Right now. Whether we agree or disagree with this, we will have to see. But this is the direction he's going. So the first one would be finished the transgression. Right, Let's see where he goes with next. We can't apply that to us as the church, because Jesus said on the cross in John nineteen, he said, it is what it is finished. So it couldn't be for the church because as far as we know, and by the way, you can know that, you know that you know your transgressions have been finished. It is finished.

31:33 Jesus settled it on the cross. So this couldn't possibly be for you and Daniel nine because you would be saying, or we would be saying that either a our soul really isn't saved, something else has to happen, or b we could possibly lose our salvation, which if we're sealed unto the day of redemption, we can't lose our salvation. So we understand that, and I think that's where we left off. So okay, so let me just pose the question here. Could finish the transgression be pointing to what Christ will do even for us? But the issue is, though seventy weeks are determined upon Thy people and upon the Holy City, well that seems to be a reference towards Israel. So does finish the transgression if it's related to Israel. Does that mean did Jesus finish the transgression of his people on the cross or is this finishing the transgression in some other way? In some other way, does.

32:49 This remind you. I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's connected. I'm not saying it's connected. So just stay with me here. This seem like for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins, that her warfare is accomplished and her iniquity is pardoned. That's Isaiah forty verse two, finish the transgression. This is interesting, Okay, so he's applying it to Israel. He says, it's not referencing what Christ did on the cross for us. This is referencing something for Israel. And it seems to be saying that it's something that hasn't occurred even as of now.

33:38 All right, let's okay, I'm just following this. I'm just throwing out ideas. Remember I'm reviewing in real time, right so we I have a feeling this may lead to some interesting conversations somewhere down there. Once again, the podcast may be doing the driving over the next who knows how long. Let's see, let's see where this goes. As an individual, our transgressions individually, after we've trusted Christ are finished, they're dealt with, they're paid for as an individual. But in Daniel chapter nine, verse twenty four, there's a national scope in view, and national Israel's transgressions have not been completed. There's still something left that has to happen nationally.

34:34 This is why when we went through Romans nine ten eleven, we saw how Israel has been set aside for a time, but there is going to come a time when Jesus is going to go back and deal with them. But right now, it's an individual plan rather than what Hannah individual salvation for everyone now, rather than what's going to come into view when Daniel's seventieth week comes to pass. That's right, a national cleansing will.

35:14 Happen, he asked another young person. Another young person understood that referring to a national cleansing, so I had to just I'm just doing a little bit of work in real time, and I'm utilizing Ai here. Ai says. The phrase to finish the transgression is part of a prophecy given to Daniel about the future of is ry L Israel and its people. This prophecy outlines a period of seventy weeks, understood by many scholars as four hundred and ninety years, during which God will accomplish his purpose concerning sin, righteousness, and the ultimate redemption of his people, which is Israel, all right. The interpretation of finish the transgression Israel specific rebellion.

35:58 Many interpreters see this as a refer as to the culmination of Israel's ongoing rebellion against God. Throughout the Old Testament, Israel is repeatedly described as transgressing God's law, breaking the covenant, and turning to idolatry. To finish the transgression could mean bringing Israel's covenantal disobedience to an end, either through judgment or redemption. So we could refer to finish the transgression, in other words, through judgment or finish the transgression somehow, meaning to bring their art by redeeming them. Now, if we understand that Israel's been set aside, Israel's been set aside, This is Romans so that the gentiles can be brought in, and then God will return back to Israel, and then we'll save them. Is the saving of Israel later on?

36:49 Is that the finishing the finish the finishing of the transgression, maybe what we'll have to see. Some understand now the transgression here as a broader theological sense, referring to humanity sin against God, and this view to finish the transgression points to the work of the Messiah Jesus Christ, who would bear the sins of humanity and provide atonement, thus dealing decisively with sin and rebellion. Now the only problem with that is the text literally says seventy weeks are determined upon Thy people, so that I don't think that. Works here all right. Another perspective connects this phrase with the end time, suggesting this refers to the final judgment on sin and rebellion against God, and this view to finish the transgression signifies the moment when sin and rebellion are fully eradicated at the end of human history.

37:44 So some will. Take this finish the transgression as basically the end of everything in glorification. But again it says. Determined upon Thy people and upon thy Holy city. I still think it has to be Israel. Some interpret the phrase as referring to a future time when Israel we're recognized and turned back to God, bringing an end to their rejection of him and his covenant. This aligns with. Other prophetic passages such as Zechariah twelve to ten, where Israel mourns for the Messiah. They have pierced symbolizing repentance and restoration. So so yeah, that seems to be it's got to be Israel. It's got to be Israel. However it plays out, it has to be Israel. And I think we can agree that the finishing of the transgression for Israel has not occurred even as of December the eleventh, twenty twenty four, so it has to be possibly pointing to something future.

38:47 Okay, so the next one is what let's see if we can have Milani. Can you read the next one in Daniel nine twenty four? It comes after to finish the transgression. What else has to happen, that's right, and to make an end of sins, that's right, Malani. So that's the second thing that needs to happen with Israel, and that's going to happen after the church is called away. Now get Second Peter two and we'll see why this can't be for us.

39:27 Get Second Peter chapter two. Please not another young kid reading that. So I'm fascinated by the age group that he's referring. He's talking about some serious illogical issues here, and he's seemingly talking to a lot of young people. This is fascinating to me. Just forget the sermon. Just hearing this is. Like, yeah, see, young people can do more than eat pizza and play games. Say they can do more than that. I know that's shocking to some people. All right, So I'm fascinated by this, all right. So all right, so he says, second Peter, let's see where he's going. To go here, Second Peter two. I'm sorry, First Peter two, because that was not right. First Peter two, all of the young people, when you have this verse, when you have your eyeballs on this verse, say amen, all the young people you got do you have? If you have it, you have your eyeballs on it, say amen. I didn't say the verse that would help. Second Peter two, verse twenty four, when you get it on your eye, say amen our First Peter two, anybody got in a cup

40:59 of coffee. There is nothing worse than when you're preaching or teaching and you have a reference, and then you go look at the reference. You see the reference and something in your mind say, hmmm, that's not so you could already hear when he was flipping that, he didn't say it or didn't even start reading it, because there's something in his mind that was making him already doubt it. Then he looked and realized that wasn't it. So then he panicked. Then he went so, now he's all a little discombobulated, which I hate, man, I hate when that happens. I hate that so because for me, by the end of the sermon, all I'm going to remember, when I get to the end of the sermon is that situation that just happened right there. That's all I'm going to remember.

41:42 That's how I got so confused over that. Oh so, but at least he makes a joke about it and tries to get everyone back on track and try to break the awkwardness of it. That's great, he's got everyone back on track. First Peter, chapter two, verse twenty four, where we're going to read these words, who has own self bear our sins and his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sin, should live under righteousness by whose stripes he were healed? All right, that's what he's getting ready to read. Let's see what he's going to do with that in relation to that phrase, to make an end of sins and Daniel nine twenty four, I think what he's going to try to demonstrate is to make an end of sins refers to Israel, where it's not referring to us, because our transgression, our sins have all been dealt with by Christ. This seems to be referring to something specifically for Israel at some later time, something different. That's the point he's attempting to make. Let's see if he does that.

42:41 Preachers asleep, first Peter two twenty four. I need I'd like all young people to read that verse together. Ready, go, I'm very good. So in Daniel nine twenty four, there has to be an end of sins. But one Peter two twenty four says that Jesus in his own self bear our what Jesus bore our sins. So when you cross reference Daniel nine twenty four with one Peter two twenty four, you'll see that individually. Now on the church age, look, Jesus, he already bore my sins and your sins on the tree.

43:47 Everybody see that. Well, national Israel, it's talking about a national entity. In Daniel nine one, Peter two's talking about an individual thing. And Jesus bore our sins where in his own call out the answer, if you have it in his own body, that's right. And he bore our sins on his own body where on a what? On a tree? Jesus, by the way, he was born of a virgin, and they laid him in a manger, dead wood, living savior.

44:36 And then he dies on Calvary's tree, on a piece of dead wood, a living savior. That's pretty good. But he took care of our sins on the cross. Israel nationally has not had their sins taken care of. So there's a national versus an individual view. And when we understand that and we make that distinction, we can sort out these verses, all right. Go back to Daniel nine, verse twenty four. And so the transgression of Israel has to be finished. The end of sin, the end of the sins of Israel has to be finished. You know, God said some really bad things about Israel because they went after what they went after, false gods. And the Lord just rips into him and he's got a lot of hard things that he says to him, Well, he's gonna make an end of their sin.

45:39 But he's also I don't know, parents, have. You ever had to you know, your child outside doing something or inside doing something, and it's just you're just gonna have to call him in and you're just ripping into him. You ever have to do that? Yeah, And what typically comes after all of the dust settles, some type of reconciliation. Right, Well, it's the same thing with National Israel. So what's the next thing on the list. Look at the text and let's have Hannah you read the next one.

46:26 To make what that's right? The Lord is going to make reconciliation for that nation. He's going to restore National Israel. He just doesn't leave them where they're at in their sins and in their transgression. He's going to restore them, and they're finally going to be reconciled to him. Why can't that be for us? You have? What's that? Because we're not Israel? That's right, our sins have already been reconciled. That's right. Else, those are the two basic answers, and they're correct.

47:06 Go to Second Corinthians five. Second Corinthians, chapter number five, Lily can you read this when you get it? Second Corinthians, chapter five, verse number nineteen. Second Corinthians five, verse number nineteen, Isaiah verse number twenty and Roger verse number twenty one, and when you're ready, Malaney, Second Corinthians five versus nineteen, Lily, I'm sorry.

48:06 Therein can they take us the word? Okay? Don't stop right there? That's awesome. I mean he he seems a little discombobulated in some of this. What he's mentioning something like I think he said Isaiah, but he's in Second Corinthians, so maybe he also gave an Isaiah reference. I was also reading other things while listening to this, so maybe I'm discombobulating. But again, that's a young kid reading that. That's a young kid reading it. So I I love this that that the kids are participating. So that's what I'm that's one of the big things I'm taking away. Now he's going through this relatively quickly, right, So I think what he's basically going to try to do is show that the six things in Daniel nine to twenty four, right, the six things, and I'm assuming if we identified the six things, it would be let's go through this finish the transgression would be number one.

49:04 To make an end of sins would be number three. I'm sorry. Finish the transgression would be number one. To make an end of sins would be number two. To make reconciliation for iniquity would be number three. To bring in everlasting righteousness would be number four. To sell up the vision of prophecy would be number five, and to anoint the most holy would be number six. Those would be the six things. His thesis is, these six things do not refer to the Church, do not refer to you as an individual. These six things refer to Israel. They refer to the nation of Israel. That's his thesis. Now, his kind of argumentation is really like, hey, well, some of these things are already fulfilled for us. Now again, others would argue, well, wait a minute, that doesn't prove anything.

49:56 If I go to the New Testament and find scriptures that show that these things were fulfilled for us, could not then argue that this was a prophecy pointing to Christ doing those things for us, which you've already read the proof of some we can make an argument, I think, though, then what you have to do is establish well Daniel nine twenty four is clearly about Israel because it says determined upon thy people and upon thy Holy City, which he did identify. So I don't know if going to these other verses simply to say well Christ did this and this and this necessarily then disproves the claim that this could be for the church. I don't know if that really helps. I think the issue is who the text is about. So then I think what you have to do. The text says it's about So is the text identifies who this prophecy is about. It's about Israel, it's about Jerusalem. So we understand now, then what we have to do is not focus on how Christ already did this for us.

50:54 Then we have to identify how this is going to be done for Israel. When are when is there going to be a finish to their transgression? When is there going to be an end to their sins? When is there going to be reconciliation, When is there going to be bringing in everlasting righteousness? I think you would want to actually be doing. Cross references to verses that speak about these things happening to Israel, not necessarily finding verses that would seem to apply to God Christ doing this for us. Now I know what he's trying to do is say, well, these verses show that Christ did it for us. Therefore this this cannot be what Daniel nine twenty four is referring to. But some could say, no, those verses showing that Christ did that for us, it's proof that Daniel nine twenty four is about us. So it could be argue the opposite way as well. So I think what you really should do personally is then find the cross references that would see no, when there are specific verses that speak about these things happening to Israel in a specific way, and look, those things have not happened, so they have to be future. So any of verses that talk about Christ doing this can't be referring to this because there are other verses that say that God is going to do this for Israel in a very specific way that's different than what Christ has done for us. You would have to kind of offer a contrast there, right at least, I think, So let's see how else he handles all of this.

52:19 God reconciled the world to himself. Before you were saved, were you God's enemy? After you are saved? Are you God's enemy, that relationship has been reconciled. Now, only God can do that, and He has committed unto us the word of reconciliation. I can't reconcile a last sinner, but we have the word of reconciliation. We have the reconciler who we can point people to. Does that make sense. It's not my job, you were your job to reconcile every single thing that's going on in this world. Only Jesus can do that. He gave us the word of reconciliation, and he gave us the ministry of reconciliation. So look at verse number eighteen. What does it say at the end, And hath given to us what.

53:23 Right? Say it again? So I know everybody's got it, and hath given to us what the ministry of reconciliation? As Christians, that is our ministry. If we stand, everybody stand like just kind of go like this at your hands. We are. We are standing ready to reconcile people. That's how Jesus stands. Now turn your. Head and put your hand out like this. That's not how Jesus stands. That's not how we should stand either. By the way, we are trying to. Have the same minus. We're trying to have the ministry that God gave us, but only he can do the reconcile. All right, verse number twenty, Go ahead, Isaiah.

54:12 Okay, now it makes sense. When he said Isaiah twenty, I was all confused. He was giving a different reference. There's someone in the church named Isaiah who's supposed to read verse twenty. Okay. I was all confused because I was trying to do multiple things while listening. I was looking things up and trying to process how I would how would I I would try to approach this. When he said Isaiah twenty, I'm like, wait a minute, I thought we were in what Second Corinthians? What just happened? Okay, now it makes sense. So now, okay, I was the one who was confused and discombobulated, right, Okay, he wasn't. I was. Now, then we are ambassadors for Christ, and now God did seek you by us Christ, I said, be ye reconciled to God.

55:05 Exactly, be ye reconciled to God. So our message is you're a sinner. We want you to be reconciled to God. Here's how. Let me tell you about his ministry. Let me tell you about his ministry and the word of reconciliation. Here's what he did to reconcile lost sinners to himself, be reconcile to God. That's essentially what the Gospel message is. We want sinners to be reconciled to God. Once a sinner has been reconciled to God, do you have to go back and be re reconciled. It's done. It's once it's done. So obviously, if that's true, what is set what when it says make a reconciliation for iniquity in Daniel nine, God must then be dealing with what.

56:02 That's right, He's got to be dealing with Israel. See his approach is these specific things and the New Testament are shown to be done by Christ. But because they're being shown to be done by Christ, and Daniel nine twenty four can't be referring to those things because Daniel nine twenty four is talking about well, Israel, I know what he's trying to do. Again. I think that that could lead someone who interprets the Old Testament as being about the Church can be like, exactly, you're proving our point. Christ did all of these things. Therefore those things.

56:42 That Christ did, this has to be referring to the Church, not Israel, because it's already been done. But I would argue, no, no, no. No, I would argue, the way he should have approached this is okay. So we've already determined who the prophecy is for it's upon thy people and upon thy whole, all right, and the context there's no question that's Israel. End of story. I think we can prove that, all right. So what's the first thing? Finish the transgression. Don't go to the New Testament and show how Christ has finished the transgression for us. Go to a passage that would seem to indicate where God is going to finish the transgression for Israel, any other passage that would use that language and apply it towards Israel. Do that, then you can go say, but there are these other verses that show christis finished the transgression for us.

57:30 You can bring that in. But I think what you first need to. Establish is that are is there other passages that speak of God doing this for Israel? And if there is, then you can say has it been done? And if you can say, well, that's never been done, then you know it's future. Then you know it has to be separate from what Christ has done for us. If you can show me that there's language where God is going to finish the transgression for Israel, and I can then demonstrate that's not happens yet, then I can then argue it has to be future. So then what the Bible says Christ has done for us in finishing the transgression can't apply because it speaks of this being done for Israel in a way that hasn't been done yet. That I think you have to kind of establish it that way.

58:15 He's taking kind of a different approach, and you can you can see which way you would which way you would prefer for it to work. Not an individual, Okay, So what do I do if I meet a Jewish person today, which, by the way, you don't have to travel to Israel to meet a Jewish person. There's more Jews living outside of Israel today more than ever. When you meet a Jewish person, you don't have to tell them as an individual, you have to wait for Daniel's PROFETI hate to. Happen for you to be safe. No, what do we do we preach to them the Ministry of Reconciliation.

58:56 Why because they need to be saved. Why else? I want to argue, because the ministry for reconciliation is for all individuals. It's to be preached to every man, woman, boy, girl and child. It's to be preached to everyone. So the ministry of reconciliation is for everyone. They promised for national salvation. That comes later, but for now, we preach reconciliation to everyone. I think that's the direction he's going to go. Maybe he's got a different idea.

59:43 We're supposed to preach the gospel to everybody. That's like, right there, I'm going to be asking you a question. Wrong, But that's a sensory right there. Everybody means everybody is a what a sinner? An individual sinate. So we preach the gospel to a Jewish person the same reason we've preached the gospel to any other center is because we're all individuals, and God is dealing with individuals. Now, he doesn't have a national plan in place for. Salvation until Israel. God Israel is God's chosen people, is nation, and that nation has to be clans. It isn't gonna be plans.

1:00:25 Now, if every individual Jew got saved in Israel, that wouldn't mean Daniel's prophetic. We was fulfilled by the way that won't happen. That can't happen because. God said that that remnant is finally going to look and that nation will be saved in a day. All those that are living at that point when Christ comes back, they will finally look and live. Who is the individual in the New Town? Estimate the pictures? What will happen with national Israel when Christ come?

1:01:09 Right before Christ comes back? It was the individual in the New Testament? Is it the thief on the cross? Is it? The thief on the cross? Is that where he's going? Here? Let's see. The pictures, the individual, pictures, the nation? I got it. Who's on the road to Damascus? Okay, he's gonna go with Paul. The reason I was saying the thief on the cross is because he looks to and he sees the one who has been piered. That Zachariah. They're gonna look and see the one who has been pierced?

1:01:52 Is it what Zachariah twelve? Hang on, let me see if I can find the reference, Saul, I guess, but let me see if I can. Find the reference I'm looking for. Just give me a second it may take me a second to look it up. Let me see here I can find it. I think I went past it to Zachariah twelve ten. I believe. I believe at Zachariah twelve ten. If you look at Zachariah twelve ten, you'll see what I'm referencing. Paul is blinded, Paul is saved.

1:02:33 Yeah, but if we're gonna look for an individual that represents what's gonna happen to Israel, I mean it just sounds like because we have a we have very specific language, right. Zachariah chapter twelve, verse ten. Um. Yeah, Zachariah twelve ten. And I will pour upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of supplication. And they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, And they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for his only son. One shall be in bitterness for him, as one is in bitterness for his first born. They're gonna someone's gonna look at the one whom has pierced. Well, the thief on the cross is literally looking at the one who has been pierced, and he's mourning suffering with him.

1:03:21 So I don't know, the thief on the crust doesn't fit a little bit better. Right, he's suffering, Israel has suffered under judgment. Right, they're gonna look to the one who's been pierced. That he literally is looking upon the one who is pierced. I think that does that not fit? You can tell me what you think? Is Taul and Hebrew Hebrews? Is he the greatest jew? That? I mean he was? And so when Paul and that road to the masters, what happened? What does he see from heaven? What Jesus is sinators?

1:04:10 That's another good? So how does that when when Paul sees that light? How is that pictures national issue is salvation? Because that same light's gonna come from heaven before Christ comes back and puts a seat on the wells. They're finally going to look that light like lightning. Makes sense. So there's an individual picture the apostle Paul to a national Jewish salvation. And that's what Daniel nine is pointing to. We got that right. They are going to look upon him and whom they have what.

1:04:53 Pierced, pierced, and that that remnant is is going to be saved. I see something here. Okay, we'll move on. What is the next one? And Daniel nine to twenty. We'll stop there. I think he had an idea something, he was going to look up like I do sometimes, and then he just realized he needed to move on. So his approach, so I'll try to make this as clear as possible.

1:05:38 His approach is now he does, he does, and I'm going to try to summarize this to the best of my ability. I remember, I'm doing this in real time, so sometimes when I explain something, I always feel at the end I wasn't as clear as I could be. But at the same time I have to acknowledge. I mean, hopefully the listener understands I'm doing this in real time with no preps. So hopefully if I'm not. As clear, it's it's, you know, because I'm trying to process it in real time. So let me explain. He does a great job explaining that Daniel nine twenty four, where it says this prophecy is determined upon thy people and upon the Holy City that's Israel, We're in complete agreement. I believe that's true. Okay, Now he could have done some more work, maybe showing in Daniel nine twenty four in the Book of Daniel when it refers to thy people or holy City, that is clearly Israel or in.

1:06:24 The Old Testament. I think you could probably demonstrate that in a relatively quick amount of time. I think that's really the strong suit here. But his argument is, Okay, six things are listed in Daniel nine twenty four. If I look in the New Testament, these six things are shown that Christ has done it for us in his way of thinking. Because the New Testament says Christ has done this for us, then it cannot be for Israel. This has got to be referring to something different for Israel. I understand the point. But I can. Also hear someone who says, what are you doing that proves Daniel nine twenty four then is for us, because you've got New Testament scripture that says Christ is doing these very things for us.

1:07:07 So you have to interpret Daniel nine twenty four for being us. And I understand that argument, right, So I would approach it differently. Wait wait, wait, wait, let's go through these six things and look for scriptures that show when God is going to do these. Things for Israel. Specific verses that are israel centric, that is focused on Israel. Okay, God is going to do it this way. He's going to do it this way. He's going to do it this way. Right, when is this going to occur? Well, it hasn't happened, so it has to happen in the future. Okay, Well, then that. Immediately means it cannot be then referencing to these other verses that show that Christ has done this for us, because there are other verses that show God is going to do this for Israel in a very specific way in a specific time. Luck Zechariah twelve to ten. That's not referring to what Christ did for us. That's referring to at some point Israel's going to say the one whom there appears as a nation, and then they're going to believe. Okay, that seems different. In the Book of Romans, all Israel will be saved at the conclusion when the fullness of the Gentiles, when that time has come to an end, then all Israel.

1:08:16 Will be saved. Okay, that's separate than what Christ has done. Okay, this is all referencing something different. Then you can build the case. His approach is this is this passage is for Israel, and we know these things aren't for Israel because we've got these passages that showed that Jesus did it for us. I understand, but I just know how someone could flip that and use it against his argument. What I would do is, look, Okay, yes Christ did this for us, but let's not go there first. Let's try to. Find these passages that would show God doing these things specifically for Israel and try to figure out the circumstances. The timing, the way it's going to be done.

1:08:56 Then then we can argue, hm, hasn't happened yet, Then this is different than those other verses. So what I would challenge you to do is go through Daniel nine twenty four. If you want a little homework, just find a couple of cross references that shows the term thy people and Holy City in the Old Testament Amost almost inevitably always. I think you could probably demonstrate, at least put it this way frequently is a reference to Israel and a reference to Jerusalem. Right now. Once you've established that, then you can be like, Okay, when will God? Then we need to find verses that speak of God finishing the transgression of Israel, finishing the transgression of Jerusalem. What are some cross references that work?

1:09:47 Then you go look at those cross references and try to figure out the timing of it, the circumstances of it, and go, this seems to be something different. Go through each of the six and try to find cross references that speak of these things happening specifically for Israel, for Jerusalem. Don't go to passages about Christ doing this for us. Go to passages that seem to speak of these things and reference to Israel specifically. That would be your assignment right now. That sounds like, you see what's going to happen. That sermon We didn't even finish all of it, could now drive an entire series if I wanted to, I could end up doing an entire series on Daniel nine twenty four Israel, or the Church Daniel nine twenty four Israel, or the Church Part one Daniel nine twenty four Israel, or the Church Part two Daniel nine twenty four Israel, the Church Part three, And we could go through all six of those things and look at cross references to show, hmm, this seems.

1:10:53 To be about Israel. Maybe we could maybe we could do this and add it to our study on eschatology. You see, once again, the one sermon could literally drive six weeks eight weeks of study. All right, I have a feeling, I have a feeling that we're going to come back to that. We have to come back to that, don't we I mean I don't. I don't know. Now I'm like preoccupied. Now now I'm going to be like, oh, I got to do some work on this, so we will. But we're at seventy one minute, so we'll stop. Thank you for listening. Everyone, have a great Wednesday. I don't know if you have church tonight, but if you don't have church tonight, you've got it. You've got to get your get your white board out, get your family together. All right, Tonight's Daniel nine twenty four. Everyone, we got six things.

1:11:43 Our job is to determine if these six things, how God will do it for Israel? When, where, what, how, all. The circumstances cross referencing time go, And then you can have some you know, you can have a good evening doing that. And I hate to say it, you probably may get more out of that than you would going to some churches. And I hate to say that, I know that sounds like I'm against the church. But a lot of people will drive to a building tonight and get very little out. Of it, may not even get much. So that's a reality. All right. We'll talk about We've talked about that a million times.

1:12:24 We won't talk about it now, but in the meantime, enjoy Daniel nine twenty four. Let your cross referencing be accurate, be helpful, be beneficial, and may you understand Daniel nine twenty four better than you did before you woke up today. Thanks for listening. Godless,