April 11, 2025

Christianity and Pornography Pt 2

Christianity and Pornography Pt 2

A discussion about Christianity and Pornography.

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A discussion about Christianity and Pornography.

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective.

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This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central.

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Good afternoon everyone. It is Friday, April the eleventh, twenty

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twenty five. It is currently one two pm Central Time,

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and I'm coming to you live from the Theology Central

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studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Well. In our

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last episode, we started having a very important conversation about Christianity,

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and I guess we can say Christianity and pornography, but

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we're really not talking about pornography. I mean, I know

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that's kind of like the starting point because of some

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audio that we're reviewing, but we're really talking about something

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much deeper. I don't know if the people listening caught

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on to that. Yes, there there, we're reviewing audio on

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a program where they're talking about Christians and pornography. But

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I'm really trying to get you to consider something much broader,

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much deeper, much more important, and that is how Christianity

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at large deals with so many different issues. I did

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a program trying to demonstrate that when Christians and churches

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talk about the subject of fear, they approach it, I

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believe in a completely incorrect way because they approach it

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from a very law based way, and I believe that

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is incorrect. So ultimately, when Christians talk about the culture,

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talk about sin, talk about any problem, when they talk

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about how messed up society is, their solution is always law, law, law, law,

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and I believe that is philologically flawed. I think at

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its very foundation that approach is not philologically sound. It

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is damaging, it is hurtful, it is meaningless, it is useless.

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And here's the fundamental principle, right, here's the foundational principle.

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Law does not the law of God is not designed

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to fix these problems. The law of God is there

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to expose these problems, to declare that these problems are sin,

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but it does not offer the solution. But yet the

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Church constantly says, oh, here's the problem, do this, do this,

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don't do this, do this, don't do this, do this,

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and thinking it's going to fix the problem. Two thousand

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years of church history, we've not fixed one problem that

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we yell and scream about because our solution is fraudulent.

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It is completely wrong. And if you don't believe me,

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it's Friday, and I tell people to go to church

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every Sunday and do something nobody ever listens to me,

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but go to church Sunday. Have four or five quote

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unquote societal problems that you want to talk about. You

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can talk about pornography, you could talk about homosexuality, you

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could talk about transgenderism, you could talk about you just

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name four or five things and say what do you

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believe is the solution? And almost inevitably it's going to be, well,

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people should do this, or don't do this, or they

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should just stop it, or or that will be like

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pass laws that will I don't know, kill the people.

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Who knows what your church is going to come up with,

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But almost inevitably it's going to be a law based perspective.

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And I believe that is fraudulent. So we're going to

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return to this discussion and we're really really going to

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dig in and hopefully this is going to be beneficial.

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Just to remind everyone, this is kind of a w

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I mean, that's all of our My programs always really

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began after I've been on a wine, a long and

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winding road if I can speak correctly to where how

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I get somewhere, And I always like to take people

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back to kind of like how I ended up here.

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So It all kind of started with a sort of

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The Lord Newspaper, the February twenty first, twenty twenty five

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issue of the sort of The Lord Newspaper, because they

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have an article why is society such a mess? Why

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is society such a mess? And I was trying to

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I looked at what they said is the reason. I

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think it's disturbing. I think it's messed up. I'm like, well,

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I need to address this. So I started working on

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a program about this. We were also we've had this

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discussion about how the church handles fear. And then I

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received an email about a program that you can listen to.

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It's available on demand on the Sermon Audio app, and

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I was like, oh boy, what is this now. The

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program is called the Tech No Sin Challenge, the Tech

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No tehn O, the Tech No Sin Challenge, the Tech

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No Sin Challenge. Obviously, this is a challenge for you

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to not sin anymore utilizing technology, the Tech No Sin Challenge.

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So I told everyone to go listen to it and

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download it. But I got this email and I'm like, oh,

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so what is this about. Well, I can tell almost

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immediately it's about prono graphy, or at least that's a

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major issue here, and it's about us not sinning. And

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I bet you it's all law based. So I'm like, okay, well,

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this kind of goes to the why society is such

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a mess, how Christians handle fear. This is just another

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part of this ongoing discussion. So let's dig in. So

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we digged in and just to kind of give you

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a kind of a basic overview, the program the Techno

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Sin Challenge, aired by VC Why America or cross Talk

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is the name of the program. You can look for

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cross Talk on the Sermonadio app, subscribe to them. You

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can listen to VC Why America Radio on the Sermonadio app,

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and you should subscribe, and you should listen to them

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because that constantly are talking about what things are going

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on and the culture. I just think that their solutions

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are always fraudulent or wrong because I believe they handle

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it from a law based perspective. And we'll talk more

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about this, all right. So the program focuses on the

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moral dangers of technology, specially pornography and digital addiction. They

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do this through the lens of a conservative evangelical worldview.

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And I'm gonna make it very clear when it comes

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to a conservative evangelical worldview. I am not an agreement

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with a conservative evangelical worldview because I believe a conservative

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evangelical worldview in many cases is still logically flawed. Because

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it does we should not approach things from a conservative

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evangelical worldview. We have to approach things from a philologically

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sound worldview, which I think is the key element is

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a proper understanding of law and Gospel. This is why

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I find myself in conflict with most of Christianity, because

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most of most Christianity, most of Christianity, has this very

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conservative evangelical worldview, and I just reject it. I reject

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it completely. No, I'm not playing that game because it's

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still logically flawed. Gary Becker, director of technosin dot RG

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That's tech TEH non o Sin All Run Together. Technosin

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dot org shares his mission on this program to combat

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the spiritual and moral dangers of modern technology through evangelistic

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tools such as a sticker based Techno Sin challenge and

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custom gospel tracks. The broadcast includes testimonies from listeners who

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suffered from pornography addiction, and emphasizes spiritual purity and holiness

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through obedience to scripture and the work of the Holy Spirit.

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So it's very law based. And let me just make

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this very clear. This is one of I don't even

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know how many ministries are out there to combat the

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sin of pornography. And there's ministries to combat this sin.

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And there's ministries to combat this sin and this sin

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and this sin and this sin and this sin. And

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there's books and there's conferences, and there's different ministries to

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help you try to combat certain sins. And I just

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want to say, Christians have to acknowledge the existence of

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all of these ministries and all of these books and

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all of this material to help you combat sin. You

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have to admit that because it's just the fact that

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they exist. But the existence of all of these ministries

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should one hundred percent tell you something that you may

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not want to admit, but you have to admit it. Listen.

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Christianity over and over teaches this idea that when you

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became a Christian, Boom, you were set free from the

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bondage of sin. You can now say yes to God

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and notice sin, Boom, you were transformed and you are

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a new creature and old things are passed away and

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all things have become new practically, that you now have

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the power of God inside of you to give you

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strength to overcome sin. You've been freed from sin. You're

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a new creature. The old is gone, you now have power.

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And Christians teach that constantly. But while they teach that,

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there's the existence of all of these ministries and trying

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to help you overcome this sin and this sin, and

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here's a Christian book and how to overcome this, and

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here's a Christian book and how to stop this, and

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a Christian book to do this, and there's this ministry

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and this small group and this and wait, wait, wait, wait.

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The contradiction there is so loud that every Christians should

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raise their hand and go wait a minute. I think

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you guys need to get your story straight. Because if

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I'm truly a new creature, the old is gone, and

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I now have the power of God living in me,

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and I'm now free from the bondage of sin, and

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I can now say yes to God and no to sin,

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then I don't need all of these ministries. I don't

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need all of these tricks. I don't need all of

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these self help books. I don't need this group or

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this group. I don't need anything, because I've been completely

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transformed and set free. So which is it? Have I

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been transformed and said free or I've got to have

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fifteen different books, fifteen different ideas. I gotta have a list,

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I got to go to this group, I got to

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do this, and I gotta do this to overcome the sin.

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Either I'm free and have power or I'm still in

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the bondage of sin and I got to use every

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self help trick known demand to overcome it. Can someone

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tell me what the truth is? Because christ Christians live

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in the midst of this contradiction and they can't even

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see the contradiction. So which is it? Do I need

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a sticker on my phone? Do I need an accountability partner?

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Do I need a filter? Or I have the power

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of God in me and I can stop sinning? Which

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is it? Christians can't seem to make up their minds.

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So that's what the program is about, all right, That's

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what the programming about. In the program, they offer some

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very important statistics, all right. So here is a list

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of every pornography related statistic or quantified claim the cross

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Talk that's found in the cross Talk program. Right. Because

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I gave the I took the transcript, give it to

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AI said, pull all of the statistics out here we go.

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Number one porn viewership per second. This comes from the

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cross Talk program. All right, every second, over thirty thousand

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people are watching pornography on the internet. Every second, over

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thirty thousand people are watching pornography on the Internet. This

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is used to establish the overwhelming scope of porn consumption.

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So all these people are watching porn. One out of

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three porn viewers is a woman. Counters the stereotype that

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porn is only a mal problem, so men are watching it,

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women are watching it. Christian Porn News, sixty four percent

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of Christian men and fifteen percent of Christian women said

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they watch porn at least once a month, sixty four percent. Now,

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what typically happens when you give the statistic is Christians

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will say, well, they're not really Christians. They're not really

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Christians because if they're Christians, they wouldn't look at porn.

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So now, if you're a Christian, you don't look at porn.

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If you're a Christian, I guess you don't lust. I

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guess if you're a Christian you don't gossip. Maybe we

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just should just say if you sin, you're not a Christian,

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and then we can just eliminate, close down all churches

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because there's no Christians that exist, since we all continually

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live in sin. But wait a minute. If sixty four

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percent of Christian men are looking at porn at least

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once a month, hmm, wait a minute. I thought we

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were freed from the power of sin. I thought we've

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been set free. Wait, so, which is it? Well, obviously

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these statistics have to have some truth to it, considering

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there is Christian ministry after Christian ministry after Christian ministry

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trying to help Christians stop looking at porn. Well, why

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do we need any help looking at porn? If we're

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supposedly set free and a new creature. Can Christians get

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their story straight? And it doesn't appear that they can.

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They use this to argue that pornography is not just

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a secular issue, it is a widespread problem in the church.

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Wait a minute, porn is a widespread problem in the church.

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How can this be? Because we're new creatures, old things

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are passed away, all things that become new. Does anyone

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not get tired of this talking out of both sides

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of our mouths? Within the church? More people. This is

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another statistic. More people are watching pornography than are using Amazon, Twitter,

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and Netflix combined. All right, over a billion hours of

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pornography are watched every year. Over a billion hours of

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pornography are watched every year. So it gives you all

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of these statistics and all the problems. Now here's what

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we did in the last program. Are you ready? I

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made this very clear, and I'm gonna repeat some of this.

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You'll I'll probably get some YouTube comment he's too repetitive.

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But I'm going to repeat this since ninety nine percent

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of churches won't teach it, let me make it. Here's

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the foundational principle. The law of God is not designed

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to fix this problem. The law of God is not

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there to fix the porn problem. It's not to help

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you overcome porn. It's not there to stop you from

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overcoming porn or stop you from using it. The law

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is not designed to fix that. So let me go

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through some basic things that we repeated that I stated

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in the last one. I'm going to repeat it now

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you're ready. The law does not stop sin. First, in

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the American Church. There's a misunderstanding of God's law. The

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common assumption is if we give people rules, we give

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people the law of God. If we give people the commands,

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they will stop sinning. But that is not the case.

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The law reveals sin, it cannot, it will not, and

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it does not remove sin. The laws the's purpose is

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not moral reform. The purpose of God's Law is revelation,

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not behavioral modification. It is revelation. It is not reformation.

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It is to reveal something. It does not reform. It

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does not clean, It does not fix anything. Romans three

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point twenty. Through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

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The law is mirror. It is not a soap. It

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was given to show sin. It does not empower righteousness.

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It diagnoses the problem. It does not heal the problem.

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Romans seven seven. If I had not, if it had

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not been for the law, I would not have known sin.

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Paul uses the example of coveting in this section. He

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didn't know what it was until the law said do

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not covet. But once he knew it, it didn't help

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him stop coveting. It only made it worse. The law

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actually prove folk sin Roman seven to eight. But sin

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seizing an opportunity through the commandment produced in me all

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kinds of coveteousness, all kinds of inordinance desires, Romans seven eleven.

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For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment deceived me,

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and through it it killed me. The commandment becomes a

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tool for sin to use against us. The law becomes

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the occasion for rebellion, not because the law is evil,

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but because we are Romans five point twenty. Now the

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law came in to increase the trespass. The law actually

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multiplies sin, not because it is flawed, but because sinful

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people react to it in rebellion. One Corinthians fifteen. The

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power of sin is the law. This is a shocking phrase.

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The law, which is holy and good, becomes the very

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thing that sin uses to gain strength. Galatians three twenty one.

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If a law had been given that could give life,

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then righteousness would indeed be by the law. The law

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does not give life. The law does not help you

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and overcoming sin. It does not produce righteousness. The law reveals,

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it condemns, it shows you, and it provokes sin. It

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brings in more sin, but it doesn't fix the problem.

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The law cannot transform the heart. So any ministry that

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gives you law law, law, law, law is literally ignoring

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the actual biblical teaching of God's law. It is to

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reveal to you your sin is. It will provoke sin,

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it will incite sin, it will do everything. It will

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kill you. It brings about death, it brings about condemnation,

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It brings about shame, it brings about humiliation. But the

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law can be your schoolmaster and grab you and drag

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you to the foot of the cross. Then you look

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to the cross. There is the one who obeyed the

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law perfectly for you. He paid for your sin because

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you cannot keep the law. He washes away your sin

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as far as the east is from the west, and

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by putting your faith in him, his obedience is imputed

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to your account. So now you stand before God perfectly

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obedient to God's law in your position, while in your

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practice you never will obey the law because the law

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demands perfection, and you will never be perfect. So you

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are in a perpetual state of disobedience to God's law.

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That's Christianity. Nobody wants to admit that. The Church ignores that,

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and the Church continues to give you solutions that deny

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that very reality. So what we're going to do and

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this one, so we've already established that the law does

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not fix the problem. I've clearly tried to establish that

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all of these ministries trying to help you overcome these

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sins simply prove that all the things Christians say about

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us is not true. Because if we were really truly

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transformed and all of these things, we wouldn't need these ministries.

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And we'll talk about that in greater detail. The goal

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now is what we're going to do is we're going

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to listen to each just a little bit more of

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this program, all right. Again, this is called the Techno

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Sin Challenge from Crosstalk. You can listen to it on

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the sermon audio app. I challenge you to download it.

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their approach, and we're only using their approach, not so

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much to be critical of their approach, because their approach

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is just like every other church's approach. We're using us

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to talk about the deeper issue. But I'm going to

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really focus in here because when the church talks about

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porn or sexual sin, I think it misses the entire

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issue completely. I think the church is completely blind to

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the real issue at hand. I don't think it's ever

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going to actually deal with it. So I'm going to

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try to get to this. One of the things you're

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going to to hear as I continue through this episode,

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you're going to hear some of my conversation. Not hear it,

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I'm going to read it to you. My back and

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forth with artificial intelligence on this subject. Artificial Intelligence obviously

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had a lot of criticism and the way this program

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approaches the subject. But then ME and A and I,

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me and AI started going back and forth about, well,

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I think the problem is even deeper. I think there's

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an issue that nobody in the church wants to even

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deal with. And AI said, well, you're right, nobody in

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Christianity wants to touch this subject. But if we're going

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to be fair and honest, we have to. So I'm

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going to try to get to that. We'll see how

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far we can get. We have a lot to cover.

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Here we go. That's about a twenty minute not just

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a review. There's a lot of extra things thrown into too,

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all of that, but here we go. I don't know

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how much we're going to review. I'm just trying to

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give you out basic sense of what they are offering

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right here we go.

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So I'd like you to just share your passion, Gary,

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tell us about your ministry, how is God underway and

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where you're going with it? Because you've got you've got

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a burden on your heart, that burden.

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I have a mission and the mission is simple and

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it sounds a little magnanimous, but I just want to

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g rate the Internet. And that sounds kind of crazy,

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but it's a G with two other letters, g O

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D rated Internet that every click, every choice, every screen

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choice would be pleasing to God from the heart that's

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filled with the Holy Spirit and controlled by the scriptures

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and God's God's plans.

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Okay, so he wants to god rate the Internet so

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that every clique will be pleasing to God with a

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heart that is filled with the Holy Spirit and controlled

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by scripture. Well, if the heart is filled with the

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Holy Spirit and it's empowering, guiding and directing, and if

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my heart is controlled by the scriptures, then guess what.

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You don't need to god rate the Internet because I'm

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not going to have any problems, I'm not going to

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eat stickers. I don't need your ministry. I should just

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be good to go right. So, which is it am

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I doing? Am I? Am I filled with the Holy

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Spirit that's doing something for me, empowering me, giving me strength?

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And is my heart now controlled by scripture? Because if

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my heart is controlled by scripture and I'm filled with

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the Holy Spirit, then I don't need your ministry because

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I'm not going to sin. So which is it? And Christians,

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that's this double speak that just drives me crazy. On

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one hand, it sounds like ton ton to I'm superman.

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I have power of the power of the omnipotent God

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inside of me. He's giving me strength. I've got the

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scriptures and they will keep me from sin and this

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and this and this and the and. But at the

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same time, it's like, man, I'm I'm in such a

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bad shape that I need a ministry that will help

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me how to figure out how to God rate the Internet?

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So and I need a sticker, and I need this

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and any accountability and I need this and wi whoa, whoa,

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woah wait wait, so God is not enough to get

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me past the porn problem. This just becomes so mad.

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Let's listen to a little bit more.

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For our life and for our purity and for our holiness.

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And so this idea of grating the Internet is that

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if no one ever clicked on a bad site, they

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would dry up for lack of attention, instead of being

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this multi trillion dollar business that you spoke of in

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the introduction today.

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Now that is true. If no one was clicking on

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all of these things, they wouldn't exist. They exist. Their

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existence doesn't create the demand. The demand is the reason

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they exist. Why is there such a demand for pornography.

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Why is there such a demand for pornography? Why? Why? Why?

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What's the issue? There's something deeper going on here. What's

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the issue? Now? So, on the way the Church describes Christians,

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there should be no demand amongst Christians for it because

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we should be completely content with God, right, I mean,

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if you've got God, you've got all you need. You

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should be content. You should desire nothing. All you should

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care about is loving God with all your heart, mind, body,

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and soul. You should put no other gods before Him.

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You should be completely content you. I mean, you're a

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new creature, the oldest passed away. You're filled with the

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Holy Spirit. It should be you that Christians shouldn't desire

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literally anything other than scripture in God, because we don't

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need anything else, but for some weird reason, we clearly

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need this, and we want this, and we desire this,

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and we need this and we want this, and we sin,

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and we sin and we sin. So obviously the reality

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of all the sin and Christianity seems to explain to

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me that all the claims made about Christians are fraudulent

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that the church continues to sell. So I don't know.

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Maybe the issue here is not pornography. Maybe is the

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issue is the church needs to get its story straight

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because they can't make up their mind.

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And so this is this is my heartbeat. The big goal,

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the small goal, is to just help one kid make

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one less bad click on that internet. And it's worth

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all the effort that I've taken and more to see

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one of these little ones not be offended because their

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angles are before there are our heavenly father, and I

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don't want to please my heavenly father.

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Well there are many who.

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So the issue is we don't want these kids to

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make a wrong click. Let me try to help you theologically.

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Whether they make the click, whether they don't make the click,

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that little innocent child isn't innocent because they're born a sinner.

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They are depraved. The corruption is not brought into the

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kid from outside. The corruption exists inside the kid. The

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kid is already corrupt. I don't even understand. Christianity just

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says the most ridiculous thing like this is straight up,

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it's almost it's almost, you know, human psychology, that we're

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all basically born good and that what happens is from

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the outside. Christianity is a radically different No, no, it's not.

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The problem doesn't start from the external. It's the internal.

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It's from the heart that comes lust. It's from the

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heart that comes to pravity, adultery, fornication, murder, bitterness, and

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it's inside of us. We do not become sinners because

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we sin. We sin because of what we are and

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what are we? What are we sinners? When do we

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become sinners? At conception? We are conceived with a sinful,

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depraved nature. The kid is not corrupted by what comes outside.

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The kid is born corrupted. I don't get it is

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so weird that when my problem with Christianity is not

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because I reject biblical theology. My problem with Christianity is

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because I'm trying to hold the Biblical theology, and it's

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a weird place to be holding to biblical theology, but

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finding yourself at odds with the very church that claims

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to be teaching biblical theology. That is a bizarre place

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to wake up one day and find yourself. But this

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is Pelagianism, this is this forgets semi Pelagianism. It's full

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blown again. Pelagius taught the idea that people that we

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are not born sinners, we are not depraved, we're at

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best morally neutral. We do not have a bent to evil.

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We're not depraved, We're not we're we. In fact, Pelagias

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would go on and to say, you can have a

464
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perfect person. They don't even need to be saved. They

465
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.960
can be perfect and be absolutely obey the law of

466
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:50.359
God without any assistance from God, because they can do

467
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:55.440
it because they're morally neutral. That's Pelagianism, full blown heresy,

468
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.160
rejected by the early Church, but it dominates. It runs

469
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.799
wild and American evangelicalism. Even by some who claim they

470
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.720
are not Pelagian and that they reject it, they still

471
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will sound like it when it comes to practical issues.

472
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.400
I think you know what I do on my phone

473
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.960
or what I do on my tablet device. It's private,

474
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.119
is it?

475
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.559
It's the most public thing imaginable for all the electronic

476
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.960
footprints that are left and the things that can come

477
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:34.119
back to haunt a person publicly, academically, occupationally, but I'm

478
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.799
concerned about spiritually.

479
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.720
Now that's a very practical point. Hey, what you do

480
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.599
on the internet can come back to haunt you. Now,

481
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.400
that's one hundred percent true. You leave a footprint. So

482
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.640
from a purely practical standpoint, it's probably smart not to

483
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:52.839
do this or this or this or this, because it

484
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:54.920
could come back to get you. It could come back

485
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:57.519
to get you. Academically, some school could find it, your

486
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:02.799
friends could find it. Socially for your church standing, You're right,

487
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.559
it can come back to hind So from a practical standpoint,

488
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.359
you're told, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it,

489
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.640
don't do it. But everybody knows the possible practical do you.

490
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.400
Have you ever noticed that people can know the practical

491
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:17.519
implications of doing something wrong and still do it. I

492
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:23.519
wonder why, because maybe the sinful nature is stronger and

493
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:30.359
more powerful than simply knowledge about the possible negative consequences

494
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.839
of doing something. I know, we think it's so simple. Hey,

495
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.039
just tell a kid don't do drugs and they won't

496
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.240
do drugs. Hey, kids don't have premotal sex and they

497
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.960
just won't. Don't do this, don't do that, and then

498
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.359
over it. I mean, you've been if you have kids,

499
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.240
you've raised kids, haven't you given them the practical benefits

500
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.119
of not doing ABC? And if you don't do these things,

501
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:52.880
things are gonna go good for you. And they will

502
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:55.759
still do the things even though there's negative consequences. And

503
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.440
sometimes it makes no sense. Why are you doing this

504
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.720
when I told you what the negative co consequences are.

505
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.119
Sometimes they can't even articulate why. I can tell you why,

506
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.920
because inherently we are sinful. We don't like to be

507
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.240
told what to do. We want to do what we

508
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.319
want to do, and we have a tendency to move

509
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:16.079
towards destruction because we have a sinful nature that goes

510
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:22.200
towards destruction. I wish it could just be hey, guys,

511
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.279
here's the twenty reasons you shouldn't do it. Oh well, okay, good,

512
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.720
got them down, or then I'm never gonna do anything wrong.

513
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:30.920
But see that has nothing to do with Christianity. That's

514
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.920
just pure pragmatism. From a pragmatic standpoint, if you do this,

515
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.519
this could happen. Good. Not gonna do it. I wish

516
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.160
it was that simple now for some things. It is

517
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.400
as simple for some people. Hey, this has a negative consequences.

518
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:44.759
I don't want to do it. You know why it's

519
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.680
so simple because you obviously don't have any internal desire

520
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.599
for that very specific thing. Remember, being totally depraved doesn't

521
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.160
mean you're going to desire every sin equally. It just

522
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.200
means you are depraved and you will be You are

523
00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.119
going to be sinful, doesn't mean you're going to be

524
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:04.599
sinful in this way that way. Right. I don't need

525
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.519
to be told all the possible negative consequences of homosexuality,

526
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.240
like say, AIDS or this or this. I don't need

527
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:13.519
to be given any practical reasons why not to be

528
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.000
a homosexual. I don't need any practical reasons, right because

529
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:21.680
I have literally no desire inside of me for that

530
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.960
particular sin. I have none, zero Now, so it's easy

531
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:29.119
I can be like, Wow, I've never been tempted by homosexuality.

532
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.839
I have never struggled to homosexuality. I am such a

533
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.960
good person. Bet me on the back I'm a good Christian.

534
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.319
I'm so godly. I've been freed from sin. Yeah, because

535
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:40.119
I don't want to talk about all the other sins

536
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.480
that I do have a desire for, think about lust

537
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.279
four yeah, no, no, I don't want to talk about

538
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.240
those and guess what and all those others. I can

539
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.839
be given fifty seven practical reasons why not to do it,

540
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:53.519
and still may find myself doing it because now my

541
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.319
depravity is pulled in that direction, but it may not

542
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.240
be pulled in that direction. H It's not that complicated.

543
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.480
The issue is internal. It's inside of.

544
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:11.359
Us, or that phrase. What we see we cannot unsee.

545
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.720
There is an impression, a depression and sadly made by

546
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.359
the enemy of our soul to affect our lives. And

547
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.960
this instrument will take take, take, it takes us down,

548
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:29.640
down down. A surfing board, a surfing maybe a ski

549
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:34.799
skiboard wants a hill, wants a downhill. The ideal roller

550
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:38.119
skater would would just have a whole world that's downhill

551
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:41.119
and surfing a lot of it is downhill. And because

552
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.680
you watch this and because you viewed that, you know

553
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:48.759
we can suggest this and suggest that, and it goes down, down, down,

554
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.960
so easily, so quickly, and then the bottom, when you

555
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:56.039
think you're at it has a trapdoor. And I've counseled,

556
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.759
and in fact, this whole ministry was born in a

557
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.480
prison with internet crime and me going in and doing

558
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.640
a Bible study and hearing the stories. And that's kind

559
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.160
of how the whole project was born.

560
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:10.400
You know.

561
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.960
Let me make it very clear. It doesn't begin because

562
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.319
of what we see. It begins because of what we are.

563
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.960
We are far worse than anything we can see. You

564
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.599
are far worse than anything you can find on the internet.

565
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.440
You can find the most vile, disgusting thing on the

566
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:31.319
internet that would be offend you, shock you. You are

567
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:35.720
worse than that and your nature because your nature is

568
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:41.200
totally depraved, and Christians can't ever admit this. You can

569
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.440
look at someone else's behavior going, I just don't understand

570
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.279
why they would do that, what would cause that? What

571
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.720
is their problem? Why? Why? What? Because they're depraved? Well

572
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.720
I would never do that. Well, congratulations, you would never

573
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.599
do that. But you are still a depraved sinner. You're

574
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.279
just as depraved. You're just as in violation of God's

575
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:00.519
law because of your guilty, at one point, guilty of

576
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.640
all of it. You're still in perpetual stat of sin.

577
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.720
So pat yourself on the back that you don't do

578
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.199
that or do that. But your nature hates God. It

579
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.719
is selfish, it is arrogant, it's narcissistic. All it cares

580
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.400
about is itself. It uses people for its own benefit.

581
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:23.000
That's what you are at your nature. That's the fundamental

582
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:24.400
principle of Christianity.

583
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.559
So I could tell you about that if you like him.

584
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:29.920
Yeah, what did you hear?

585
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.880
Well? It was a man who was not guilty of

586
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.280
the internet crime he was accused of. He said his

587
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.920
seventeen year old, not eighteen year old daughter sabotaged his

588
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.519
laptop with her video garbage.

589
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.880
Wait, he met a man who was innocent in prison?

590
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:56.679
Did you get him out? I mean, he was obviously

591
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.840
convicted in a court of law, found guilty by a

592
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.480
But you know that he's innocent. So you're going to

593
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.679
tell the story if he's innocent because his sixteen or

594
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:10.039
seventeen year old daughter framed him with her internet garbage? Man,

595
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.960
did you get him out of prison? Get off the internet?

596
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.840
Talking about your ministry, you need to have you got

597
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.960
a team of lawyers. Have you taken this to the media,

598
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.119
the man's innocent. Let's see if he got the man

599
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:24.039
out of prison.

600
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:29.159
And he was not guilty, went to federal court pleading

601
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.559
not guilty and not taking a plea bargain. He was

602
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.400
sure she would tell the truth. She didn't. He was buried.

603
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.199
He wrote me a letter from federal prison. He says,

604
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.880
I just found out that I have stage four cancer.

605
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.480
I will die in prison. And he said that I

606
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.760
would have never been convicted unless it had not been

607
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:55.679
for the circumstantial evidences. My laptop was not clean.

608
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:02.400
Now, so I want to know the name of this man.

609
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:04.519
I want to look up this case. I want to

610
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:05.519
look up this case.

611
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.239
I want to look up this case. I'm going to

612
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:15.679
ask all right, okay, in okay. In the transcript, he

613
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.400
tells the story of a man in prison.

614
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:32.719
Who is innocent. Do we know what case? What case

615
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:39.920
he is referring to, and if he knows the man

616
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:47.920
is innocent, what steps were taken to free the man?

617
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:49.960
Right?

618
00:36:50.000 --> 00:37:05.440
I'm asking ai? Okay? So in the cross Talk program

619
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.800
featuring Gary Becker that he recounts a story about a

620
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.840
man in federal prison whom he believes to be innocent.

621
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.440
According to Becker, this individual is convinced based on the

622
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.199
testimony of a single informant that received a reduced sentence.

623
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.599
Oh wait, okay, that's a different story. There must be

624
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.119
another story he's going to tell.

625
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:28.760
H hang on, okay, I okay, I am referring to

626
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:36.440
the story in the transcript.

627
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.920
About I guess. I guess everyone he talks to in

628
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:49.760
prison is innocent about the man who they claim was innocent,

629
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.360
and he was found.

630
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:06.679
Guilty because of what because of what his daughter put

631
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.039
on his laptop.

632
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.280
All right, let me see if we can get a

633
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:20.079
better better case here. The individual was okay, when I

634
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:26.840
see all right, hang on, all right, Well, the AI

635
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.480
is not. I can't find anything about this story. He

636
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.400
can't find anything about the story that we're hearing because

637
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:38.280
I guess just an anecdotal piece of evidence. And I

638
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.000
guess what, I don't know. What's the point of the story.

639
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:42.239
Is the point of the story is you can be

640
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.679
framed by your kid? What's the point of the story.

641
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.039
I don't know. Let's see if he offers any other details.

642
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.760
And it pricked my heart as to how you know

643
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.880
the loose living on the eighteen year old and above

644
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.960
side came back to bite him on a seventeen years

645
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.320
old stepdaughter mad at him, and it put him in prison,

646
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.239
you know, and his life was taken there in prison.

647
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.800
Part of that birth this ministry, and part of it

648
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.320
was birth by the sixteen grandchildren I have, all of

649
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.559
which are at various stages of addiction as they have

650
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.840
the pull of the screens upon their lives. And so

651
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.119
I just want to make a dent for Jesus. And

652
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.840
God's given me a plan and a passion to do

653
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.440
this and to reach the loss for Christ, to take

654
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.679
this culture that is bowing down to the cross of

655
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:36.960
the Lord Jesus Christ and the Church of the Lord

656
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.760
Jesus Christ for what is needed in our hearts. Yeah.

657
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.800
Now, that poll that you talked about, that passion that

658
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.159
is drawing people, that that Lord that is there, that

659
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.360
that is just it's very very tempting. I mean, it

660
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.840
is there to actually grab and to capture.

661
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.360
Yeah. I heard a statistic that I don't want to believe.

662
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:02.320
That's sixty percent of full time Christian workers are addicted

663
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:05.320
to pornography. There, with some degree or another.

664
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:20.719
Sixty percent of Christian workers are addicted to pornography. Okay,

665
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.960
all right, now, okay, I'm sorry, I'm pausing there because

666
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.400
Ai is talking to me all of a sudden. Okay,

667
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.400
so AI says. No. The transcript gives no names, dates, locations,

668
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.639
or court details. There's no way, based on the transcript

669
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.000
alone to verify the story'll link it to any known

670
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:43.280
legal case. It's anecdotal. It's anacdotal at best, presented without documentation.

671
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.480
No mention is made of any legal steps actually helped

672
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.599
the man. Becker's express his personal belief in the man's innocent,

673
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.039
but there's no indication that Becker worked with a legal

674
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.519
team in a sense project or filed appeals. The man's

675
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.320
death in prison is presented as final. Becker uses it

676
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.079
to illustrate the dangers of digital comp not as a

677
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:05.280
call for actual justice. Becker uses a uses it as

678
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.079
a cautionary tell A man's life is destroyed by poor

679
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.599
and related circumstantial evidence he didn't create. But if the

680
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.400
man was innocent and the stepdaughter intentionally framed him, this

681
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.000
is not a story about moral compromise. It's a story

682
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.320
about an injustice betrayal in a broken legal system. And yet,

683
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.039
rather than demanding reform, compassion, or advocacy, the story has

684
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.960
hornet turned into a moral illustration for why you should

685
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.719
cover your phone with a sticker. There is no evidence

686
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.400
Becker took further steps to help the man beyond using

687
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.159
the story as a motivational device. There is no case

688
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:39.239
details to independently investigate or verify the man's innocence. If

689
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.719
the story is true, it's tragic. But if the man

690
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:46.400
really was innocent, the appropriate response wouldn't be stickers or slogans.

691
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:50.760
It would be legal intervention, advocacy, and public exposure of

692
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.679
the miscarriage of justice. Why doesn't he give the name?

693
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.199
Why doesn't he tell us what happens so that we

694
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:59.159
can get justice for this man who died in prison

695
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.599
because he was framed by a step daughter. This is

696
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.599
the kind of nonsense that Christians do. You tell these

697
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:10.559
stories and then you give no information, no evidence. Oh

698
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:17.440
that okay, So sixty percent of Christian workers look at porn.

699
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.079
Now we're right back to the original problem, right, Why

700
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.079
is it there's so many Christian workers look at porn?

701
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:29.760
Why is it? What's going on? What is it? See?

702
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:34.400
There's something deeper? Is it ever going to be addressed that?

703
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.320
I'm sure that every time I mention that statistic. I

704
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.960
want to say one hundred percent of people with a

705
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:44.400
pulse have a problem or a potential problem. And if

706
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.920
you don't have a pulse, you're with the Lord, if

707
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.480
you know the Lord, and there's no more problem now

708
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:50.159
pretty sure?

709
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.000
So he tells that story, because then one hundred percent

710
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.119
of the people with the pulse have a problem, or

711
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:59.079
at least a potential problem. Why is it that one

712
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.639
hundred percent of people with a pulse, whether Christian or

713
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.960
non Christian, has a problem. I wonder what the problem is.

714
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.679
I wonder what the problem is. Now. Once we can

715
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.880
figure out what the problem is, then we can figure

716
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.719
out the solution. So is the solution. Stickers on your

717
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.239
phone is the solution? Smashing your phone is the solution.

718
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.920
Accountability Partner is a solution, a twelve step program. What

719
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.840
is the solution? Well, the solution is what the problem is.

720
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.440
And the problem is you have a depraved nature. And

721
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:31.880
nothing fixes the depraved nature. Nothing. The law only reveals it.

722
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.599
It doesn't fix it. Salvation doesn't fix the depraved nature

723
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.639
because it continues to exist. That's why sixty percent of

724
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.480
Christian workers look at porn, and probably even far more

725
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:43.320
if we really, really really willing to get honest. But

726
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.360
nobody really wants to be honest about it because you

727
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.360
can't go to church and talk about your porn problem

728
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.480
because you'll get thrown out of church. Because you can

729
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.960
have fifty other problems and you're okay, but you can't

730
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.280
have a porn problem because then you'll be branded with

731
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:01.400
a scarlet letter. Christianity is incapable of dealing with these

732
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.480
problems because we won't allow to. We won't address these

733
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.440
problems from the theology that we claim to teach. We

734
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.079
teach this fraudulent theology that no, no, no. When you

735
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.920
become a Christian, everything's perfect. You become a new creature,

736
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.760
you're freed from sin, you're set free, you're empowered by God.

737
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.000
You can do it well. Then nobody can do it,

738
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:19.920
So why can't anybody do it well? We just keep

739
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:21.920
telling everyone you can do it. At the same time,

740
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.360
you got to have a ministry for every sin problem

741
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.840
out there, because for some weird reason, everybody keeps committing sin.

742
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.599
But in this world there is temptation, and everyone is

743
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.440
a click away from disaster, and the enemy knows it.

744
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:39.360
You mentioned.

745
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.840
Everyone is a click away from disaster. Oh my goodness,

746
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.800
you're not a click away from disaster because the disaster

747
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:54.400
resides inside of you. You don't need a computer for disaster.

748
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:56.920
Do I need to go through the Book of Genesis

749
00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:00.280
and tell you about all the sexual sin in the

750
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.480
Book of Genesis before they had anything to click on?

751
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:06.440
Can we go through all of it? We have everything

752
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.000
from port, we have everything from polygamy, we have rape,

753
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.119
we have incest, we have homosexuality, We have it all

754
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:20.599
right there in Genesis, before there is an Internet, before

755
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.519
there is pornography, before there's rock and roll, before there's rap,

756
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.320
before there's MTV, before there's dungeons and dragons, before there's anything.

757
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.960
Because the problem started in the garden went Adam and

758
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.679
Eve sin and they gave birth to children who were depraved,

759
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.280
and it only took them what fifteen seconds before one

760
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:42.119
is killing the other. And it didn't because of violent

761
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.320
video games or because of Harry Potter. It happened because

762
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:46.840
they were depraved.

763
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.559
This just being a click away. And you mentioned about

764
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:59.599
everyone leaving a footprint every time they click on a site,

765
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:04.079
and not only are there tracking mechanisms available, but for

766
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.159
a believer in Jesus Christ, should we not recognize that

767
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.679
tech God sees, and God knows what we're doing. He

768
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:11.800
knows what we are watching.

769
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.320
That's the whole point of our ministry is to really

770
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:20.360
acknowledge that our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit,

771
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.079
and that when we have a heart to please the Lord,

772
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:25.880
we want to please him in our not so private

773
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:29.400
digital world. So I have a very analog answer for

774
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.880
a digital problem. I'd love to share it with you.

775
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.960
Go ahead, okay. The Spanish pastor in our church, I said,

776
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.199
your pastor, gadget. You're always on your gadget. Please speak

777
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.519
on gadgets, and so I did. And then he said,

778
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.079
you're speaking at the youth rally in Spanish and English

779
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:51.559
and read in Pennsylvania. I did, and he spaid, you're

780
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.360
going to be speaking all over and I have been

781
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.159
so far over these last eight years. The little message

782
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.039
of seven reasons why you should say before you click

783
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:06.400
was entitled Techno sin technology, Yes, then garbage and wasting

784
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.199
time No. And so I had this passion and then

785
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:10.880
I kind of juiced it up a little bit with

786
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:15.599
a burden to try to illustrate what God said, if

787
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:18.599
thine eye offend thee, pluck it out. And so we

788
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.480
just developed this from a sticker that has this grated

789
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:28.159
icon to a explanation of the word techno sin tech yes,

790
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:32.119
sin no, Jesus yes, but wasting your life no, And

791
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.639
then this verse on it, I will set no wicked

792
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.239
thing before mine eye. We added the word worthless thing

793
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:42.039
in the newer translations. And what a combination to equate

794
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.800
to that Hebrew word that means all that does not

795
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.880
pertain to righteousness. If I add the word wicked and

796
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.960
worthless together, I come up with ninety four some percent

797
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.119
of the Internet. And I call that Internet the wwww web,

798
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.719
the Worldwide wicked wasting time ten percent wonderful Web. And

799
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.840
so it is wonderful. And that's the problem. It's all

800
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:09.159
mixed together. And we give this instrument into people's hands

801
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.519
and into children's hands and think that they can navigate

802
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:18.440
the difference between godliness and wickedness. And that's our problem.

803
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.960
Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, we're going to take a quick book.

804
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.039
Okay, so they give everyone a sticker. I guess you

805
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.440
put on your phone and boom, you fix the problem.

806
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.320
But the problem is deeper than that. So for the

807
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.840
next I don't know, we're going to try to go

808
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:35.960
through this relatively quick. We're going to try to go

809
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.679
through this relatively quick. So here is what we do.

810
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:44.880
All right, I was having a conversation where artificial intelligence

811
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.719
about this program. And here's what artificial intelligence says. The

812
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.480
entire program with Gary Becker fails to ask the most

813
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:58.199
foundational and necessary philological and pastoral questions regarding the widespread

814
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:03.360
problem of pornography and did especially among professing Christians. Let

815
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.119
me break this down more clearly for you, all right,

816
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:13.039
key question why the program ignores the why if so

817
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.360
many Christians and humanity in general are watching porn? Why

818
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.760
where does the desire come from? These are question These

819
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:23.679
questions are foundational for any real diagnosis or solution, And

820
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:28.039
you're right, they are completely unmasked and unanswered in this program.

821
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.880
Are unasked and unanswered in this program. So I had asked,

822
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.119
isn't this missing? And AI is like, you're right, it's

823
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.400
these are completely missing. So what was offered instead? So

824
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.320
here's what was offered instead of any real discussion of

825
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:47.039
the why emotional appeals. You can't unsee what you've seen, Well,

826
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.039
I don't have to see anything to unsee it, because

827
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.039
guess what the desire for it? Is inside me before

828
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.039
I ever see it. Okay, that's it's a whole different issue, right,

829
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.000
guilt motivation. God sees what you click on. God sees

830
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.960
God is watching. He's got a list kids, He's checking

831
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.360
it to see if you're naughty or nice. He's watching you.

832
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:10.360
He's watching you. He's watching you. He's watching you. But

833
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:12.760
you know, I think canaan Abel would have known God

834
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.599
is watching them, and he's still killed his brother, right, Okay,

835
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:18.039
I think Adam and Eve would have probably had a

836
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.039
pretty good idea that God was what still did it,

837
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:21.920
and they didn't even have a depraved nature at the time.

838
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.280
All right, But okay, we could go in through scripture.

839
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.440
Everyone knows God is watching, and everyone continues this in

840
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.440
and the Bible. I wonder why, because there's something deeper

841
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:36.480
going on. External behavior fixes, stickers, phone smashing, marshmallows, stuffed

842
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.800
in the charger port, all of these things. I guess,

843
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.039
to just make your phone inoperable or whatever. This is

844
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:44.639
the fix. This is the solution. They give you. Dramatic

845
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:48.800
testimonies and fear driven antidotes like you know, stories with

846
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.239
no actual fact to back it up, a legalistic tone.

847
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.400
Do this, or you will destroy your marriage, you'll destroy

848
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.840
your life, you will destroy everything. Don't do it. That's good,

849
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:05.039
it's great. But there's something deeper going on. Maybe we

850
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.920
should have asked these questions, what is the root cause

851
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.559
of the desire to look at porn? Scripture teaches that

852
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:17.199
sinful desire comes from within. Sinful desire comes from within.

853
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:21.880
Let me see here if I can find it. I

854
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.599
could be wrong. I believe it's in Mark seven. I

855
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:28.679
believe it's in Mark seven. Here we go. Jesus is speaking,

856
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.440
all right. Jesus is speaking, And he said, Mark chapter seven,

857
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:36.000
Verse twenty, that which cometh out of the man that

858
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:41.199
defileth the man from within, out of the heart of man,

859
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:51.079
precede evil thoughts, adultery, fornication, murder, theft, coveteousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness,

860
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:56.079
and evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things

861
00:51:56.159 --> 00:52:02.440
come from within, all of that is inside of us.

862
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:14.199
Are you ready? Evil thoughts, adultery, fornication, murder, theft, coveteousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness,

863
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:20.559
and evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. It's all inside of you.

864
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.920
You don't get it inside of you because you see

865
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.960
something you can't unsee. It's already there, it's inside of us.

866
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:33.159
But nobody wants to seem to discuss this in this program.

867
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.840
There's no acknowledgment that the heart fallen, that the heart fallen,

868
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.599
disordered and prone to us is the true source. No

869
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:44.920
real discussion of the the of our sinful nature and

870
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:48.519
all of the evil desires that come from it, or

871
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.679
the biblical well, we could get it. It doesn't really give

872
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:55.639
into the biblical discussion of where desire desire arises from

873
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.639
inside of us. That's the problem. What does it mean

874
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:03.519
that chris still have sinful desires? That's not asked, Well,

875
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.679
what does it mean that Christians still have sinful desires?

876
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.920
Instead of wrestling with Roman seven or Galatians five flesh

877
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:13.159
versus spirit, their program skirts this tension entirely. The illusion

878
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.159
is given that if someone really wanted to stop, they

879
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.239
would just smash their phone or put a sticker on it.

880
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:20.480
This ignores everything about the truth of who we are

881
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:28.320
and that we still have a sinful nature. Okay, that

882
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.159
I could go on there. There's a lot of other questions,

883
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.000
all right, So the program ignores the real issue that

884
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:39.880
the problem it comes from inside of us. So inside

885
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.559
of us is the problem. So let's do this because

886
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:44.119
I'm going to run out of time and I got

887
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.920
like five hundred pages of notes. Here's what I want

888
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:53.920
us to do, right, Okay, all right? Oh here, now

889
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.639
I'm gonna get down to because this is where me

890
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.960
and me and A and me and AI got into

891
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:03.480
a very important conversation. So here's what. Here's what we've

892
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.719
established so far in these two parts. One law will

893
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.280
not fix the problem. Wasn't designed to fix the problem.

894
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.719
It was to drive us to Christ, who solved the

895
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.960
problem for us by his obedience being accredited to my account,

896
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.519
not by changing me or transforming me. Because if I

897
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.079
was truly changed and transformed, then I wouldn't need all

898
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.119
of these helps to stop sinning, because I would just

899
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.679
stop sinning. But since no one stops sinning, then obviously

900
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:29.159
we didn't that. Our issue, from the solvific point of

901
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.920
view is I'm changed positionally, but I'm left unchanged practically,

902
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.800
which is the reality we all know. Right, So the

903
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:40.480
law is not to solution the problem, isn't what we see.

904
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:43.280
The problem is an external The problem is internal. We

905
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:47.639
have sinful desires. All sinful desires start from within, and

906
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:52.000
they are there from our conception. We are evil ciners

907
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:57.800
from our conception. That is historical Christianity. This pelagious view

908
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.559
is ridiculous or not like some innocent people, and all

909
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.960
the corruption comes inside of us once we see it.

910
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.679
That is just not biblical in any way, shape or form.

911
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:12.079
But there's something deeper that this program ignores, and almost

912
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.280
all Christians, when they talk about this, they ignore. So

913
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.599
I asked Ai about it, and AI said, you're stepping

914
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.920
You're stepping even deeper than most theological conversations are willing

915
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.920
to go. And you're asking something that many Christian discussions

916
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:35.000
ignore entirely. Isn't the desire for sex, sexual gratification, and

917
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:43.400
sexual pleasure biological and psychological, not just moral or spiritual?

918
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:48.840
And the answer is yes. To treat pornography, use, or

919
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.920
any misuse of sexuality as merely a spiritual issue is

920
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.960
to ignore reality. And once you do that, your solutions

921
00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:00.440
become shallow and effective and even harmful. The does desire

922
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:05.440
for sex is not sinful. It is literally built into creation.

923
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:11.119
Before sin entered the world, sexual desire already existed, be

924
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:14.920
fruitful and multiply Genesis one twenty eight. Well, how are

925
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:22.440
you going to be fruitful? Multiply? How sexual pleasure, attraction,

926
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.639
and longing. We're part of what God called very good.

927
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:28.960
The song of Songs or the Song of Solomon's celebrates

928
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:36.400
physical love and longing between lovers. That's desire for union, touch, satisfaction.

929
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:41.840
It's not evil, it's embodied creation. It's part of being human.

930
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.079
The desire itself isn't sinful. It's what we do with

931
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.679
it and how we attempt to fulfill it that becomes sinful.

932
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.199
So when we're talking about porn addiction, we're not just

933
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.760
talking about lust. We're talking about the misuse and misdirection

934
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:00.519
of real created, powerful, biological drive that was ever meant

935
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:07.480
to be turned off. Sexuality is psychological and emotional. Desire

936
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:12.239
isn't just physical. It's emotional. It's psychological. It's it's psychological,

937
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:16.239
it's it's intimate. Pornography offers a fantasy of being wanted

938
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:21.400
without vulnerability. It provides a bit of uh. Basically, it

939
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.920
provides a hit of dopamine and and and other endorphins

940
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.920
and other chemicals. Literally, it releases chemicals in the body

941
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:37.519
brain chemistry that basically releases brain chemistry that limics real intimacy.

942
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:42.039
It literally can give you the the the brain chemistry

943
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:47.400
of intimacy without even experiencing intimacy. It allows people to

944
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:52.800
feel control, power, validation, escape, all which are emotional and

945
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:58.199
psychological needs. So these are these are real emotional psychological needs.

946
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.159
There are real brain chemistry issues happening. There's something deeper

947
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.000
than happening. So the desire for this is deep. It's

948
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.400
not simply it's just don't do it. It's like telling

949
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:11.960
people don't don't eat, don't eat, just don't eat food.

950
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:19.000
There's something deeper going on. This is why people don't

951
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:22.599
just look at these things because they have nothing better

952
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.719
to do, or or they just they just have a desire.

953
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.760
There's something going on it. Maybe they can be looking

954
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.280
for reasons because they're anxious, they're depressed, they're angry, they're lonely,

955
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.920
they're insecure, they feel powerless, they feel traumatized, they're longing

956
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.760
for connection. So they they turn to this for a

957
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:43.000
lot of reasons because there's something psychological going on, and

958
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:47.679
the satisfaction releases certain brain chemicals and the brain that

959
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:51.480
can alleviate the feeling maybe anxious or feeling depressed, or

960
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.000
feeling angry, or feeling lonely or feeling insecure, or feel

961
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.920
are feeling powerless or feeling traumatized, or feel or longing

962
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.400
for connection. Something is released. There's something deeper going on.

963
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:08.400
Nobody wants to address this, and those feelings of not

964
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:10.960
wanting to be anxious or depressed or angry or lonely

965
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:15.000
or insecure, are powerless or feeling traumatized or longing for connection.

966
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:19.159
Those aren't sinful feelings. Those are human realities. But if

967
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:23.400
we teach that every expression of sexual desire outside of

968
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:27.000
marriage is simply rebellion, we shame people for having bodies, feelings,

969
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.119
and needs. They didn't choose. You didn't choose to have

970
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.199
these desires. You didn't choose to have these feelings. You

971
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:35.760
didn't choose to have these emotions. They're a part of

972
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:39.280
who you are. We've got to deal with that reality

973
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:41.280
or all we're gonna do. Put a sticker on it,

974
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:43.599
don't look at it, smash your phone. Be good, little

975
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:45.679
boys and girls. Don't do this, don't do this, don't

976
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:47.480
do this, don't do this. Well, first, you're giving them law.

977
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:49.159
That's not even going to fix it, and on the

978
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.320
other hand, it supposedly become a Christian resolves all of this.

979
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:54.639
You shouldn't even be having any of these desires, but

980
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:56.559
you're gonna have these desires because not only do you

981
00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.119
have a sinful nature, you are a human being with

982
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:03.199
a body. It has these desires not only physically, not

983
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:16.880
only emotionally, but psychologically. Moralizing simply moralizing desire typically damages people.

984
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:21.039
This is where much Christian teaching, like the Cross Talk program,

985
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.320
goes dangerously wrong. It treats desire as always dangerous. It

986
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:28.159
sees sex as a purity test. It doesn't acknowledge the

987
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.880
beauty and power of sexuality as a gift. It offers

988
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.320
no theology of embodiment or longing. People are then end

989
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.760
up left shamed for being a human. They end up

990
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:42.360
living in sacred They believe they are something is wrong,

991
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:46.400
They're perverted for having these desires. You're wrong, You're messed

992
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.079
up in the head. How can you have these What

993
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.639
is wrong with you? I just don't understand why people

994
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:55.480
would have these desires. I don't get it. I don't understand. Well,

995
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.440
you may not understand, because you may have different desires,

996
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.920
but deep down in humans, you're going to have somewhat

997
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:14.719
similar desires in certain ways. So this all creates an

998
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:17.360
internal war between spirit and body instead of healing the

999
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:22.079
breach between them and Christ. So what's missing from the

1000
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.400
conversation as a vision that says you are a body

1001
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:29.440
and a soul. Your desires are real and often good.

1002
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:33.360
Sin hijacks those desires, not because the desires are evil,

1003
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:37.719
but because sin disorders them. Christ doesn't just kill desire,

1004
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:42.199
is he? He coming to Christ It's just not going

1005
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.039
to kill the desire. It's not going to just get

1006
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:48.960
rid of it. And yes, this is the difficult part

1007
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:53.000
of Christianity. Christianity is going to call you to carry

1008
01:01:53.079 --> 01:02:02.440
that desire and maybe unfulfilled based on your circumstances. Some

1009
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.880
people can be in a circumstance like hey, and Christianity's

1010
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.440
gonna say, sorry, you can't fulfill that desire. You just can't.

1011
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.119
You can't. The desire is there, The desire is there,

1012
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:13.599
and what does Christians have to offer for that? Now?

1013
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:17.199
What Christians typically do is, well, hey, hey, God is enough.

1014
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:19.960
God can satisfy you. God can take care. And it

1015
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.920
amazing that the people who get the ability to fulfill

1016
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:27.039
the desire, they have intimacy, they have relationship, they can

1017
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.639
get physical desires met. Well, be the one like, you

1018
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:31.159
don't do this, and you better not do this, and

1019
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:33.440
you better not do this, and you better not do this. Well,

1020
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:35.480
and it's so great for you to be able to

1021
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:37.960
have everything, and you tell everyone else what they can

1022
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:44.599
and can't do. Can you imagine waking up and realizing, Man,

1023
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:51.039
I have the desire. I have the strong desire for

1024
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:56.800
intimacy and sexual satisfaction with someone of the same sex. Wow, okay,

1025
01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.400
I didn't ask for this. Where did this come from?

1026
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.440
People don't just go wake up and ask for it? Right,

1027
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:04.880
You didn't just wake up and ask for to desire

1028
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:09.320
physical needs. You are born with these needs. And you

1029
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:12.320
can say, well, they can't just have those desires for

1030
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.400
the same sex. They had to choose it. No, no, no,

1031
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.079
no no. We have a sinful desire. We have a

1032
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.400
sinful nature. That sinful nature can pervert all of our desires,

1033
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.880
and you don't have any control over that. Your sinful

1034
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.039
nature desires things and you don't ask for it to

1035
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:29.480
desire it's there. So just imagine, now here's these people.

1036
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.400
They've got this, and then the church that's banking. Well,

1037
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:34.880
you just don't. You can't fulfill it. You can't fulfill it.

1038
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.920
You can't fulfill it. You'll never be able to experience love,

1039
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.280
you'll never be the way you desire it. You're never

1040
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:42.360
gonna be able to have intimacy. Now you can try

1041
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.719
to find fulfill this desire and intimacy with someone of

1042
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.039
the opposite sex. Don't know if you ever truly be satisfied.

1043
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:50.079
But it's not my problem. You just do it. And

1044
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:52.440
now for me, I get to go then fulfill all

1045
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:54.440
of my desires and get all of my needs bad.

1046
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:56.079
But I'll sit there and look down on you, and

1047
01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:01.400
you just don't do it. It's always amazing how the

1048
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.480
church will stand on its lofty perch and look at

1049
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:06.920
all the other. Hey, you can't fulfill it, you can't

1050
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:08.559
fulfill it. No, no, no, no, no no, you don't

1051
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:10.719
look at that. No no, no, no no. You don't

1052
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:12.519
get your desire met. No no no, you don't get

1053
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:16.239
your desire mat You live without it. I get to

1054
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.920
live with it. I get to have my needs met.

1055
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:23.079
You don't get to have your needs met. Because we're godly.

1056
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:25.679
You're so godly. Oh yeah, you're godly because you get

1057
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:27.280
the needs met. How about y, how about you give

1058
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.800
up all of the ability to meet your needs and

1059
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:35.360
see where you end up. These needs are deep inside.

1060
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:44.000
They're deep, they're psychological, they're emotional, they're mental. How dare

1061
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:56.719
you talk your big game when you got everything. This

1062
01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:01.079
isn't a just this isn't just send nature. It's biological,

1063
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:03.960
it's emotional. It's part of being human. And if we

1064
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.840
don't start there, we're not telling the truth. If we

1065
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:10.199
aren't giving, and we aren't gonna give anybody any real hope,

1066
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.480
we're setting up in possible expectations that people should just

1067
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.800
crush their phone walk in purity without ever addressing their

1068
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:20.960
God given needs for intimacy, touch, pleasure, connection, and love.

1069
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:25.159
There's a god given need for intimacy, a god given

1070
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:28.639
need for touch, There's a god given need for pleasure.

1071
01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:31.280
There's a god given need for connection, there's a god

1072
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:33.840
given need for love. And if you get all of that,

1073
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.320
how dare you look down and everyone else who doesn't

1074
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.039
get it and just say, well, God should be enough

1075
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:39.760
for you. Well, then they should be enough for you.

1076
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:53.119
One of the deepest and most ignored theological problems with

1077
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.599
not only the program that we've been reviewing, but almost

1078
01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:00.639
all Christian discussions around peorn impurity. The idea is that

1079
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.559
you can avoid pornography entirely and still be deep This

1080
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:06.480
is something that's often overlooked, is that you can avoid

1081
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:10.639
pornography entirely, but you can still be deeply guilty of lust,

1082
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:14.760
sinful desire, and inter corruption. In fact, we often go

1083
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:18.519
to porn because of what was already present, desire, fantasy, longing, lust.

1084
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:22.800
Porn doesn't cause sin, it simply reveals it. And this

1085
01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:26.400
has never dealt with, and not only this program, it's

1086
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.440
never dealt with, and the entire purity culture did not

1087
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.360
deal with this. We can look at Matthew five. You've

1088
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.239
heard that it was said you shall not commit adultery.

1089
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:35.800
But I say to you that everyone who looks at

1090
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:39.119
a woman with lust, with lustful intent, has already committed

1091
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.880
adultery with her in his heart. Matthew five, twenty seven

1092
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.079
through twenty eight. This statement obliterates the idea that avoiding

1093
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.880
external acts makes someone pure. You don't need porn to

1094
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:50.480
be guilty of lust. You don't need a smartphone. You

1095
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.559
just need a mind, a memory, a glance, a thought,

1096
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:56.239
and If that's true, then all the stickers and phone

1097
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.679
smashing and techno sin programs in the world can't touch

1098
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:02.159
the act actual sin, because the sin is internal, it

1099
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:07.440
is spiritual, and it is invisible. We go to porn

1100
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.960
because the sexual thoughts precede it, the desire precedes it.

1101
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.880
The whole of those psychological desires for and those and

1102
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.159
what you're going to get when those chemicals are released

1103
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:22.480
in your brain. Intimacy, love, validation, feeling good about yourself,

1104
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:25.280
feeling wanted, feeling desire. You go to that because of

1105
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:29.840
these desires, and those desires proceed. We go to porn

1106
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:35.000
because the thoughts and the desires proceede the pornography. Porn

1107
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.159
is the symptom. The desire is already there. It's not

1108
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.199
just oops, I saw something. It's I wanted something, I

1109
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:45.079
was reaching for something. I was already dwelling on something.

1110
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.760
I was already dissatisfied. I was already longing, I was

1111
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:54.320
already wondering, I was already searching, thinking, needing. Sin happens

1112
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:56.960
before the click. So if a program tells me not

1113
01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.159
to click but doesn't talk about the war inside me

1114
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.280
longing before I or touch the device, it's already failed.

1115
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.960
And the unspoken lie behind these kinds of programs is

1116
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:10.519
if you never look at porn, you're pure. But you're

1117
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:13.760
not because we still have lust in the heart. We

1118
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:17.239
still have pride sometimes over our purity. We judge others

1119
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:21.039
for failing. We have unacknowledged fantasies that we won't tell

1120
01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:27.960
anyone about. We have secret sexual imaginations sh we have bitterness,

1121
01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:32.640
rage and greed, we have discontentment. We have lots of

1122
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:35.159
issues going on. You can be porn free and still

1123
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:39.840
be and still self righteous, lustful, dead inside, and far

1124
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:44.119
from God. Avoiding avoiding porn is not holiness. Avoiding porn

1125
01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:47.000
is a wise maybe a wise boundary, but true holiness

1126
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:50.079
is a broken and contry at heart. It's a mind

1127
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.520
being renewed. It's a soul cleaning to Christ because you

1128
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:57.039
know you're unclean. It's you resting in the finished work

1129
01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:06.319
of Jesus Christ. What this program offers is law. Don't click,

1130
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:08.960
don't watch, put a sticker on it, smash it if

1131
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:11.760
you have to. But the law can expose in it

1132
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:14.760
can't remove it. It can say don't lust, but it

1133
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:19.199
can't stop your heart from doing it. The only hope then,

1134
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:22.359
is the finished work of Jesus Christ and his imputed righteousness.

1135
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:30.640
What I want you to see, law won't fix it.

1136
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:36.800
Law won't fix it. There's a massive contradiction in Christianity saying,

1137
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:39.119
in one hand, basically we shouldn't have any sin problem

1138
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:41.840
because we've been completely transformed. On the other hand, acknowledges

1139
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.159
that everywhere we look we have sin problems. That contradiction,

1140
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:48.600
which shows you that we are only changed positionally, we're

1141
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.079
not changed practically. And then third, I want you to

1142
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:54.000
just really grab onto the fact that there's something deeper

1143
01:09:54.079 --> 01:10:01.159
going on. There's biology, psychology, there's brain chemistry, there's need,

1144
01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:04.760
there's want, And I'm tired of Christians who get all

1145
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:08.079
they get, they have everything, but they want to condemn

1146
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.039
everyone who doesn't and tell them, hey, you just do

1147
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:11.720
without and you should be able to deal with it.

1148
01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:27.800
People have deep needs, deep needs. But see that requires nuance,

1149
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:31.800
that requires thought, that requires how do we handle this?

1150
01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:36.039
And there's sometimes not easy answers. But Christianity just wants

1151
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:48.880
to say stop it, don't do it, just don't. Yeah,

1152
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:50.840
a lot we could say there, but I'll stop there

1153
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:53.520
because we're at seventy minutes, all right, I think we

1154
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:57.000
covered we covered everything. I was going to play a

1155
01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:02.640
clip for you where you get another from another Christian

1156
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:07.560
YouTube video where someone offers their great advice. Right, So,

1157
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:10.960
this young person is asking this Christian speaker, Hey, sometimes

1158
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.079
you know lust is a problem on this school campus.

1159
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:16.039
What can I do about it? Basically, well, this guy said,

1160
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let me tell you what I do. If I'm driving

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my car and I see a woman jogging down the

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sidewalk or a good looking woman on the street corner,

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I take my hand and I cover one eye and

1164
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I use the other eye to drive forward. So that

1165
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his solution is I just cover my eye and that

1166
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:38.479
fixes the problem. I just cover my eye. What I

1167
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:42.800
just cover my eye. So the problem is her body

1168
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is the problem. She's the problem. I just can't look

1169
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at her. Another problem is inside of you. You can

1170
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:51.319
cover your eye. You're the problem because you have sin. Well, one,

1171
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:54.199
you don't have any problem because those desires are natural

1172
01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:56.680
and so there's nothing wrong with the desire. The problem

1173
01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:59.239
is you, well, you have a sinful nature that will

1174
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:01.319
take that desire and then guess what You're going to

1175
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:03.079
end up sinning. You know why you're going to end

1176
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up sinning? Because you're gonna look at the woman, You're

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probably gonna have an impropriate and inappropriate desire or thought.

1178
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And guess what. You've committed to sin. You've committed adultery,

1179
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You've committed fornication, and you keep saying, I gotta stop,

1180
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.199
I gotta stop, I gotta stop. You're never going to

1181
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:17.000
ultimately stop, because you're always going to be in some

1182
01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:18.760
kind of sin. So you know what your only hope

1183
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:21.359
is is to go to Christ, confess it and acknowledge it,

1184
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and rest in his imputed righteousness. But Christianity wants one

1185
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hundred percent moral transformation, while we constantly admit by everything

1186
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:31.640
we do and say that nobody's ever going to get it,

1187
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:33.560
and we don't ever seem to be able to reconcile

1188
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:43.680
that contradiction. All right, thank you, I wish I had

1189
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something better to say. But this is a deeper issue

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than Christians want to admit. It's deep, and I want

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you to just understand this is a deeper issue. And

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so this is not about pornography. It's about that whatever

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01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:01.960
the issue is is, whatever the sin is, whatever the

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societal problem is, Christianity seems inadequate to address it because

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we never address it by being truly honest with the

1196
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real issue, and we only think we can address it

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from a law based perspective, which law was never designed

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to fix all of these problems. It was only there

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to expose these problems and will actually entire will actually

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promote and increase the sin of the very problem you're addressing.

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We've got it so backwards, all right. Thanks for listening. Everyone,

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have a great day. God bless