Aug. 23, 2024

Charles Finney Challenge Pt 2

Charles Finney Challenge Pt 2

We continue our review in our Charles Finney challenge

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We continue our review in our Charles Finney challenge

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central.

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Good morning, Good morning, good morning. It is Friday, August

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the twenty third, twenty twenty four. It is currently nine

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forty am Central Time, and I am coming to you

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live from the Theology Central studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now,

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many of you know that we are currently involved in

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kind of a challenge. I am challenging you to take

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your sermons two point oh app open it up and

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search for sermons on Charles Finnie. We're calling this the

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Charles Finni Challenge. This is going to go on probably

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at least till Monday. I don't know how many you've

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listened to already, but start looking for sermons on Charles Finnie.

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And you may be asking why are we looking up

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sermons on Charles Finnie? Well, where have you been? It

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all started because of an article or a printed sermon

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and the June seventh, twenty twenty four issue of the

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sort of the Lord newspaper, because they have a sermon

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here entitled the Holy Spirit and Revival. So we started

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looking up things about revival and going through this sermon

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I've given you lots of, maybe we can call them,

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very different perspectives than a large portion of Christianity may

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have in regards to revival. And then the next thing,

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you know, we ended up reviewing a podcast episode that's

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posted on the Sermon's two point oh app dealing with

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Charles Finnie and how he has shaped America, specifically speaking,

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how he has shaped you know, do you use much,

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do you use some? I don't know the exact term.

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He has definitely shaped a lot of the thinking about

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revival that you find in evangelical and fundamental churches. There

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are probably people in your church who say certain things

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about revival, and I'm telling you it's coming from Charles Finny.

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It's not coming from scripture. Now you said, well, okay,

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well they were influenced by this man in church history,

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this man that's very famous. People talk about him a lot,

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people talk about him in regards to revival. So what's

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the big deal that they were influenced by Charles Finny. Well,

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here's the big deal. Charles FENNI wasn't a Christian. Charles

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FENNI was a full blown heretic. Charles Finny rejected. I mean,

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ultimately very key elements of what we would even say

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the doctrine of salvation is. And we have been looking

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at that. Now. Remember the first podcast that we review.

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They immediately they started by saying, he is in hell.

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I kind of pushed back, said, well, come on, can

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we say that? And then I continued to look and

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then begin to realize, I mean he denies substitutionary atonement,

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he denies penal substitution, he denies that we are justified

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on the basis of an imputed righteousness. I'm like, okay, yeah,

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he has left. He has left Christianity. So remember I

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came back and said, Okay, I think they were right.

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I don't think there's any way to say Charles Finny

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was a Christian and is in heaven. So that then

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changes everything. If Charles Finnie is not a Christian, then

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why is his influence in so many churches? Why are

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so many Christians influenced by his revivalism his views on revival.

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So I'm like, We've got to we need I need

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everyone to hear as many sermons as possible on Charles

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Finny because here's my hope you'll hear for those who

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may defend Charles Finnie. Maybe you'll hear some of their sermons.

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Those who criticize Charles FINNI, well, we can find out

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if the criticisms are in agreement disagreement. You can get

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you know, multiple sources. So for the goal is by

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the end of this weekend, you'll walk away knowing more

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about Charles Finnie than you ever did before this weekend began.

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And so hopefully you're listening to sermons on Charles. Now,

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my goal this morning was I wanted to turn on

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the microphone and what I wanted to do was pick

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a different sermon. Right, I'm like, we've already we reviewed

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part of the podcast episode. We're reviewed part of a sermon.

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I could just move on to a third thing. But

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I'm like, you know what, I already have the sermon

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from yesterday cueued up. We didn't finish it, Let's just

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go back to that. I mean, it's already cued up.

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So we may not finish the whole thing, but at

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least want to go back to it now, the sermon

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that we are reviewing. I guess one of the reasons

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I want to do this is because and this does

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really bother me, and I may do a podcast episode

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just explaining my review philosophy. But most of you know

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my review philosophy number one. Whatever I review, I don't

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listen to it first, so the reactions are in real time.

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That means I'm not out there looking for a sermon

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like ooh, this is going to be really bad and

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I can bash it. That's never the goal. Second, especially

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in twenty twenty four with the Sermon's two point oh

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app challenge, I'm really reviewing things trying to get you

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to go listen to more sermons on the sermon's two

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point oh app. I'm really I'm promoting the sermon's two

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point oh app and supporting it as much as possible.

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I know some people have a hard time when I

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offer criticism. They think that I don't know, they perceive

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it in a way that I'm not intending. Look, I

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can't help it if I listen to a sermon and

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I disagree. But in every single case, no matter, there's

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only been one time. There's only been one time, and

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all of my years are reviewing things where I stopped

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in the middle, I'm like, that's it. Not listening to

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this man ever again. And that was Jack Hibbs from

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Calvary chapel because him basically mocking people in Ukraine while

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they're dying. Okay, I could not, Oh, like, what is

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this pro Russian bash Ukraine nonsense coming from the pulpit?

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I lost it. Okay. Other than that, no matter how

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much I may disagree, I tell what do I tell you?

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Go listen to the rest of the sermon, Go follow them.

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Go Just because I disagree. Just because I have critique

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doesn't mean I'm telling you not to listen. In almost

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every case, whatever sermon we reveal, I'm like, go give

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them more downloads, Go give them more streams, because I'm

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trying to get people to discover as much content as

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possible in the sermon's two point zero app so that

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we can all make use of it. When I offer criticism, Now, yes,

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sometimes I will admit it. I'll get done with a

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sermon and I'm frustrated and I'm irritated, and I hate

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that right. So, but that doesn't mean I don't want

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you to listen to that particular ministry. In many cases,

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I want you to go listen to it. Just because

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I disagree with it, I still want you to hear

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their perspective. I love all the different perspectives. I love

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the different, the variety, so that we can be challenged.

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And sometimes, I mean, if you think about it, sometimes

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I think some of our most interesting studies have arisen

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because of sermon reviews that went really, really really bad.

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Because no matter how bad they go, in fact, typically

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the worst they end up. If it goes very badly,

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I almost inevitably try to turn it around and make

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it something positive by saying, Okay, I don't know what

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they did, I disagree with what they did. Let's stop

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talking about them. Now. Let's now take the passage saw

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maybe three ring a bell, and now let's work on

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it hour after hour after hour after hour until we

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can do something positive with it. So sometimes the bad

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sermon reviews turn into the most positive studies. See, that's

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not me just wanting to bash. That's me trying to

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get something from it. So I and again it's I'm

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gonna be listening to these sermons anyway, I'm gonna be

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saying these things about these sermons anyway. It's just either

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I'm gonna do it with a microphone on or a

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microphone off. Why not just do it with a microphone

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on and try to encourage people to listen to as

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many sermons as possible and to be challenged and to hear,

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and the people who listen get to hear not only

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my perspective the other perspective. But in this particular case,

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with the sermon that we're reviewing on Charles Finnie, this

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is one of those situations. And probably this is the

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reason I didn't want to switch. This has gone really well,

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this is I love this, I've loved this sermon. I've

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loved the information. Everything I don't I've not had. I mean,

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I've had a little bit of disagreement, not so much

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with the person, but with how what he's how he's

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condemning Finny, I think is a condemnation that could be

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thrown at a good portion of Christianity, because I believe

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we do similar things. But other than that, that's not

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on him, that's on the rest of Christianity. Everything he's

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done has been amazing, it's been awesome, And so why

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switch to another sermon? Then that could lead to frustration.

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It may be more fun for you, but I just

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kind of want to say in a more positive situation, right,

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but we will you others, all right, So let's just

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however far this goes is, then we'll just stop it

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and you can go listen to the rest. But the

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sermon that we're currently reviewing is Revivalism and Charles Finny.

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Revivalism and Charles Finny. This is from Calvary Baptist Church.

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It has eighty four downloads. We should we should get

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that over one hundred. Come on, people, go whenever I

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tell you about them, Go listen, go stream, go download

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all right, Revivalism and Charles Finnie from Calvary Baptist Church.

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Please look it up. Please download it now so that

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it's in your library on your app, and that you

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can finish it whenever you have the opportunity. But for now,

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pencils are rolling all over the disk. Let's do this

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currently basically the sermon here, he's talking about Finny and

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his rejection of well being justified by an imputed righteousness.

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Here we go.

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You see the differ. That's a huge difference. Second false

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teaching of Charles Finny, the necessary implication of Finny's rejection

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of judicial justification by judicial What I mean is, when

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God declares us righteous on the basis of Jesus righteousness,

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are we actually righteous? No, Jesus is but his righteousness

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is imputed, is credited to us, and so therefore God

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declares us righteous by judicial what.

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I mean is in God's law court. In other words, so.

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For example, we do we understand this a little bit.

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I would just add a slight clarification. This is how

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you should answer the question when we are justified by Christ,

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are we righteous? And you should say yes and no. Yes,

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you are declared righteous in your position before God. You

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are righteous in your standing before God. You are declared

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to be righteous, You're seen as righteous. So in that sense,

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you're righteous in your standing. You're righteous before God. You're

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righteous in Christ. In Christ, you're a new creature. Old

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things have passed away all things that become new in Christ.

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In your position, in your practice. No, you are not righteous.

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You are a sinner. That is not justifying our actions.

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That is acknowledging the reality that we sin continually and

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our practice and thought word indeed, by what we do

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and what we leave undone.

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Got a marriage would be something like this. So when

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you go many of you are married, some of you

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hope to be someday. When you go to the pastor

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or the justice of the peace or whatever, and you

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get married. What changes about your nature when you get married?

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When the person says I pronounce you man and wife,

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what changes about your nature? Do you become a different person? No,

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Sometimes your spouse might wish you had, but you don't.

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Right.

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What happens is your state changes, the government now declares

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you married. Your judicial legal standing is different because you're

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now no longer single, but you're married. And so that

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means in legal settings there are various situations in which

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you're gonna be treated differently because you're married, all right,

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that your spouse is gonna be partner with you in things.

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And so that's an illustration, over simplistic illustration, but a

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illustration of the fact that God has judicially declared us righteous,

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not because we're actually righteous, but on the basis of

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Jesus righteousness.

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Now, this is a this is a controversial subject within Christianity,

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and you have to just acknowledge this. This is a

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controversial subject in Christianity. So let me try to explain this.

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There are many Christians who typically they go to the

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Book of Ezekiel where it talks about the New Covenant

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and it says, I'm gonna remove the heart of flesh.

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I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna remove the heart of stone,

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give you a heart of flesh, something along those lines

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that now you're going to basically get rid of all

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your idols, and you're going to follow me, and you're

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going to obey me. And they bring and I know

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I'm not stating those verses correctly, but you get the

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basic idea, I'm gonna put a new heart in you,

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I'm going to remove the heart of stone, give you

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a heart of flesh. That type of thing, right, And

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they take that and they say that is us in salvation. Now,

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His Equal it's about Israel. It's not about us, all right,

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that's number one. It's about Israel. There's a time God

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is going to save Israel. We've talked about that over

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and over and over. It's not about us. And the

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reason I know it's not about us is when because

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the passage seems to imply that you're not gonna sin anymore,

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you're basically going to be sinless, your sinful nature is

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going to be eradicated. Well, that's not us. When we

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are saved, our sinful nature is not eradicated. Now, this

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is where Christians get into. This is where it gets

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complicated because there's some passages that would seem to umploy, Well,

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we do get a new nature, and so some people

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believe you get a new nature, the old nature is

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gone and basically now you can say yes to God.

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Notice sin, Well, that would seem to indicate we can

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be perfect. Well, we know two thousand years of church

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history that's not the case. The old nature is obviously

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still there. So some people believe we have a new

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nature and an old nature, and we have two natures.

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old heart is gone. So as the heart is the nature,

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are they synonymous? Are they different? How many different things

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is going on inside of us as a Christian? Do

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we have a new this or what like? And how

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do we understand when we understand new? Do we understand

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new in our position but not new in our practice?

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Here's what I know. I know this, you still have

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a sinful nature. And I know this. You still sin,

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and you sin all the time. You never love God

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with all your heart, mind, body, and soul. You never

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love your neighbor as yourself and when he says, bee

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holy as he is holy, and be perfect as your

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heavenly Father is perfect, you never obey any of those

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commands anywhere close. And you are a constantly and sin

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because you have a sinful nature. Whatever else you want

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to say is inside of us. All I know is

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it does not. Oh, ultimately, it does not conquer the

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sinful nature, and it doesn't triumph over the sinful nature

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because the sinful nature is obviously more controlling. How do

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I know that? Because we cannot get to perfection. What

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keeps us from perfection our sinful nature, meaning the sinful

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nature then therefore has more control. Now I know that's controversial,

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but I'm being justified by an imputed righteousness. It's really

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not that controversial. God declares you to be righteous, but

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you're not righteous.

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And his judicial justification. Because he rejected this, he also

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rejected what we call the penal satisfaction view of the Atonement,

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that is that Jesus daft paid the penalty that satisfied

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God for sin.

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Denies that Jesus died in our place on the cross.

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legal training.

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And this is what he says.

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He rejected the idea of Christ dying in our place

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bearing our sins vicariously on the cross. He viewed this

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doctrine is unfair. It's not fair for somebody else to

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be punished for you, or for you to be credited

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with somebody else's righteousness. He denied subsutionary atonement and said

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that it assumes that the atonement was a literal payment

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of a debt, which we have seen does not consist

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with the nature of the atonement. It is true that

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the atonement of itself does not secure the salvation of anyone.

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What that's the false teaching.

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In rejecting a substitutionary atonement, Finny insisted instead opted for

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the governmental view of the atonement that stated that Christ's

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death was not in our place, but that it satisfied

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public justice. Here's what he's saying. What Finny would have

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taught was this. You could look it up in his

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Systematic Theology.

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Do note this.

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There is a modern publication of Systematic Theology by Charles

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Finny that's been cleaned up because people have read it

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and realized that there's a lot of problems in it,

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but Finny was a popular preacher, and so they've cleaned

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it up. If you get his original edition, which is

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available online for free, it's a no long ger under copyright.

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You can find it online. If you look it up

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and you read some of these sections in his systematic Theology,

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you'll see him saying exactly these things. And what he

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taught that was not that Jesus died to bear our

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sins in his body on the tree, not that Jesus

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died in our place and bore our sins. Thought he

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said that was not true. What he said was that

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Jesus died to show that God was angry with sin.

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That's the governmental view.

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In other words, the law was broken and a punishment

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had to be paid, but it wasn't paid in our place.

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It was just a governmental public justice satisfaction.

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And if I cannot verify that claim that the modern

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editions have cleaned up Phineas theology, If the modern editions

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have cleaned up Phineas theology, whichever Christian published company did that,

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you should probably no longer support that Christian publishing company

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because that is utterly that's utterly wrong, that's sinful, because

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now that giving people a complete misunderstanding of someone's theology,

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and then they're going to go support and teach that

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man's theology. But it's not his theology. It's some Christian

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publishing company cleaned it up. I hope that's not true.

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I hope that's not accurate that way I would The

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only way to know is I'd have to go find

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a copy of the original Finny Systematic Theology and then

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supposedly a modernized version. But if any Christian publishing company

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cleaned up Finny's absolutely heretical theology, that would be so wrong.

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All right, But you see that governmental or moral idea

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of the atonement that Jesus just died basically as an

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example of God hating sin, You do realize that leads

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to some question if Jesus is just dying as an

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example of God's hatred for sin, but he's not bearing

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our sin as a substitutionary atonement. He's not you know,

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he's not satisfying, he's not propitiating the wrath of God

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for us. Then so Jesus is just innocent, just dying

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as an example of God's hatred for sin. Wouldn't Jesus

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have to actually be sinful? And then God punishing him

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or it would not be fair because remember he said

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it would be unfair for Jesus to die for us. Well,

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then if he's just dying as an example, wouldn't he

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have to be suffering for his actual sin according to

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Finny's logic, So that would call into question the sinlessness

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of Jesus, which then logically would then call into question

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the deity of Christ. So then Finney's perspective has greater

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problems than typically is discussed.

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That's a serious false teaching to deny that jesus death

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was in our place. Compare this, for example, with Romans

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three through five, but especially Romans four or five. But

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to him that worketh not, okay, not to the person

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who does good works. But believeth on him that justifiethly

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on godly who's him? That justifieth the on godly Jesus.

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His faith is counted for righteousness, all right, because of

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your faith in Christ Jesus, righteousness.

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Is credited to you.

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In other words, Jesus died in your place, and you

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could go all the way through. We won't take the

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time to go through it, but we could go Romans three,

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four and five, and we could see this argument verse

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Chapter four, Verse one. What shall we say, then, that

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Abraham our father is pertaining the flesh hath found. For

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if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory,

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but not before God. For what's side the scriptures, Abraham

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believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

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Now to him that worketh is the worrd, not reckoned

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of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not,

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but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith

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hascounted his righteousness. If you would with me look over

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to chapter three briefly, we like to quote verse twenty three.

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It's a very good, helpful, succinct verse to talk about sin.

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For all have sinned and come short of the glory

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of God. Every one of us have sinned and come

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short of the glory of God. But you know, Romans

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doesn't end there.

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Thank God. Verse twenty four comes.

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Next, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption

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that is in Christ Jesus, whom God hath set forth

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to be a propitiation. Big word, but it means that

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which satisfies God's wrath penal substitution through faith in his blood,

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to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that

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are passed through the forbearance of God. To declare, I

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say it this time his righteousness, that he might be

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just and the justifier of Him which believeth in Jesus.

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In other words, jesus righteousness is credited. So God is

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an unjust by declaring us righteous when we're not righteous.

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How can God say we're righteous when we're not well

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Because Jesus died in our place. So God can in

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his legal courtroom say we're righteous and not be unjust,

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and at the same time.

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Justify those who believe in Jesus Christ.

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That's how God can both save the sinner and maintain

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his justice. In Finny's system, God's justice is not appeased.

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Third area of phinis theology was avarent because Phinny did

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not believe in any form of imputation, didn't believe righteousness

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was imputed or that our guilt was imputed to Jesus

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on the cross. He therefore rejected the idea of original

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sin and of a sin nature passed down from Adam.

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Finny wrote moral depravity.

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Now he's gonna quote Finny, but Phinny's rejection of original

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sin that there is his Pelagianism right, full blown forget

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semi plagianism, full blown Pagianism, which then logically follows why

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all of his revival techniques are are fraudulent from the

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very start, because they're based off the concept that people

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are not depraved sinners, so that they basically have complete

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libertarian free will. Their will is not in any way

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impacted by a sinful nature. Therefore you can use manipulation

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and use these techniques to get people to supposedly have

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a conversion experience. That Finny's entire system is broken. We

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don't criticize his techniques because we just criticize techniques. It's

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because the techniques arise from a fraudulent, heretical theology put

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together by a person. And there's no other nice way

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to say this. Who wasn't a Christian. Charles Finny wasn't

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a Christian. Therefore everything that comes from him is fraudulent

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because it's all based off a heretical theology. And I

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don't know why so much of American Christianity was influenced

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by him. Again, I had I was told Finny, Finny,

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Finny Finny. So many times in my Christian life, especially

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in the independent Fundamental Baptist Church that I attended and

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was the first, the first schooling that I obtained in

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their Bible institute. And it was Finny and revival and

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Finny and revival and Finny and Revival. Now they didn't

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bother to get to actually read a systematic theology. It's

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just Finny was almost this romanticized character of the past

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and a move of God and we need that. And

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you know, Finny was this great, you know man who

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brought great revival. And it's like, well, no, Finny was

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a heretic who wasn't even a Christian. But okay, right,

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so let's continue.

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Cannot consist in any attribute of nature or constitution, nor

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any labs or fallen state of nature. Mold depravity, as

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I use the term, does not consistent nor imply a

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sinful nature in the sense that the human soul is

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sinful in itself. It is not a constitutional sinfulness. He

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did not believe people had sined natures, if any, believed

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that the sinner's will was the determinate factor in salvation,

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and that it was not hindered by sinfulness. He taught

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that sinners are under the necessity of first changing their

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hearts or their choice of an end. In other words,

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you have to determine heaven or hell before they can

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put forth any volitions to secure any other than a

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selfish end. And this plainly, and this is plainly the

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everywhere assumed philosophy of the Bible that uniformly represents the

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unregenerate is totally depraved and calls upon them to repent,

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to make themselves a new heart. Who's giving them a

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new heart? Make themselves a new heart? How can you

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do that? See, if you're going to make yourself a

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new heart, you can't be depraved. It wouldn't be possible

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for a depraved person to do this.

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It's not.

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We could argue, if you're not depraved, and why do

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you need a new heart? And again, the whole new

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heart concept we just already discussed leads to lots of confusion.

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When Christians try to articulate that whole thing, it gets

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all convoluted. Right, Well, you have a new heart. Okay, Well,

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if I have a new heart, I should be able

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to be sinless. Well, no, you have a new heart.

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But you have a sinful nature. So then heart and

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nature are different. So I have a new heart but

467
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an old nature? Or did I have an old heart?

468
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That the old heart is now a new heart, but

469
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the old nature is there. Remember I've told you to

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try to diagram. If you listen to Christians trying to

471
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diagram what we're actually made up of, it's like, well,

472
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we have two hearts and one heart, and now we

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got a new heart. The old heart's gone, but we

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had we have an old nature, but the heart is wait.

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So we have a new heart, old nature. So which

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one is the most powerful? Well again, I can just

477
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ask a question, can you be sinless? No? Well, then

478
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obviously the old nature is more powerful than the new heart.

479
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So then what does the new heart do if the

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new heart cannot get me the sinless perfection? What just

481
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makes me better better in one way externally or does

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it make me better internally? Because if Christians are even

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remotely honest with themselves, they will realize that they are sinners,

484
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not only externally, but they are way sinners internally. In fact,

485
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I think Christianity is simply where we move from being

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sinners externally to where we become more we become greater

487
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sinners internally because we now repress the external actions so

488
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that we can appear godly. So Christianity becomes really convoluted

489
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when it gets into well you have a new heart,

490
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old heart, new nature, old nature.

491
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What do you got?

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But then again, most Christians will teach the idea that

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now you can say yes to God and noticein well,

494
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then you can be sinless. No, no, no, you can't be sinless.

495
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What is keeping me from sinlessness? I got a new heart.

496
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You'll tell me. I have a new nature. You'll tell

497
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me practically, I'm a new creature. Old things that passed away,

498
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all things that become new. Well, if that's the case,

499
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then I should be sinless. Well know, because some of

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these passages that you're referencing is only referring to my

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positional standing before God. In Christ, I am a new creature.

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All takes a pass away, all things have become new,

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and my position because of imputed righteousness, not because my

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nature has been changed, because I still have a sinful nature.

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All right, let's continue.

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God making a new heart, it's the person making themselves

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a new heart. Compare this with Romans chapter five, verses

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sixteen through nineteen. And not as it was by the one,

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by one that sinned, so is the gift. For the

510
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judgment was by the one to condemnation. But the free

511
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gift is of many offenses under justification. For if by

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one man's offense death reigned by one, much more they

513
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which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness,

514
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shall reign in life by one.

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Jesus Christ.

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Therefore, is by the one offense, one judgment came upon

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all men to condemnation. Even so by the righteousness of one,

518
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the free gift came upon all men to justification. For

519
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as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so

520
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by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

521
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Romans five is clearly saying that we have imputed sin

522
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from Adam, and that we've received Adam's fallen nature. Again,

523
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.960
this is a significant theological problem because of his emphasis

524
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on human good works, human will and salvation, and a

525
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human works and justification. Phinny's view of sanctification was also problematic.

526
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Finny believed in a perfectionist view of sanctification. He believed

527
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that believers would have a conformity to the law of

528
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God entire.

529
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Now, this is one case where at least I believe

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Phinny is being consistent. Right, if you logically start man

531
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does not have a fallen nature. Well like if you

532
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go back to Pelagius, pelagius is understanding was that man

533
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could be perfect even without redemption. You didn't even need

534
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salvation and you could be perfect. You could just choose

535
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to be perfect. So it made perfect sense that Phinny logically,

536
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when it comes to sa notification will say, you can

537
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be perfect well because you don't have a sinful nature,

538
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so even before salvation. So Finny is at least being

539
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logically consistent. Here where I think the logical inconsistency happens

540
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is where Christians run around saying, when you become a Christian,

541
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you become a new creature. Whole things are passed away,

542
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whole things have become new, and they mean that practically,

543
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and then.

544
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They say, but, but, but but but you can't be perfect. Hey,

545
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you've got to do this and this and this and

546
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this and this to be saved. But I mean, you're

547
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never going to do it perfectly, but you do have

548
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to do this in order to be saved. Well a minute,

549
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I thought I was saved by an imputed righteousness.

550
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Well, yeah, if you have imputed righteousness, you will do

551
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this and this and this. Well, then how can an

552
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imputed righteousness leave me to do this and this and this?

553
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Because it is imputed, it just declares me to be righteous.

554
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It doesn't make me righteous. Well, but if you're truly saved,

555
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you will be righteous. No, if I'm truly saved, I've

556
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been declared righteous. That's imputed. And so many Christians are

557
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very inconsistent because they almost teach an infused righteousness, which

558
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is Roman Catholicism, and I almost teach that we can

559
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be perfect. But then they will backtrack and say, well, no, no,

560
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well you can't actually be all the way perfect. Well,

561
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what you said that I have now power and I

562
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have a new this, and I knew this, and I

563
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knew this. Why can't I be perfect? What's keeping me

564
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:17.359
from being perfect? Well, your sinful nature is keeping you

565
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from being perfect. But I thought you said I'm no

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longer a slave to my sinful nature. If my sinful

567
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nature keeps me from being perfect, that would mean the

568
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sinful nature has the controlling power. So am I free?

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Am I not free? Am I free? Positionally? And so

570
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when you get into some of these polological discussions, Christians

571
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will literally talk themselves into a circle and twist themselves

572
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:43.279
in the knots, and it's just this convoluted, absolute mess.

573
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And we've done enough sermon reviews where you've heard that

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the preacher says this and then five seconds later contradicts

575
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what he just said, and you're like, so, which is it?

576
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Do I have power? Am I free? Or am I

577
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not free? Which is it?

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So?

579
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.480
But at least us Finny is at least being somewhat consistent,

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at least in this point. He's a radical, but he's

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being consistent.

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Now, this is not the same as the Wesleys. John

583
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Wesley taught a view of perfectionism. But John Wesley's view

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of perfectionism was that as a Christian you could learn

585
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to do everything out of love, and that occasionally you

586
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.440
would still make mistakes, but those mistakes would even be

587
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done in love, and so therefore you were perfectly obeying God.

588
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Now I think John Wesley was wrong on that point. Okay,

589
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I don't think Christians ever reach a point in which

590
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they reach a level of perfectionism. But Wesley's view is

591
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:40.039
a false view of sanctification.

592
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Wesley didn't have.

593
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A false view of these other doctrines that Finny has

594
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.640
a false view of. Here and all these false views

595
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.279
start to add up and they impact one another, they

596
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.720
work with each other, so that he What he's basically

597
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.519
saying is that a true Christian is going to entirely

598
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obey the law of God.

599
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Hell, let me make it very very clear. This is

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why we did over one hundred hours of teaching on

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law and gospel. Okay, and this is why and we

602
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I just the other day I played a clip from

603
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American Family Radio where they're talking about the Ten Commandments.

604
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The idea in the minds of many Christians is that

605
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we can obey the law. Most Christians believe that when

606
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you become saved, you can obey the law. It's entirely wrong.

607
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:29.319
You can never obey the law. You cannot the law,

608
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.279
you can never obey it. The law will only demonstrate

609
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.119
one thing, your inability, your inability, your guilt, your guilt,

610
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.880
your guilt. It will condemn, condemned, condemn. You flee to

611
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Christ who kept the law for you. So Finny believing

612
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that you can keep the law. In some ways, this

613
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.839
concept has infiltrated a good portion of Christianity. They may

614
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:54.359
use different language, but the Wesleyan idea of entire sanctification

615
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.119
fraudulent and wrong, and Finny's view of basically you can

616
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:02.160
keep the law fraudulent and both of them are wrong.

617
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We won't get into Wesley. But as far as Charles

618
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Finny is concerned, it was a heretic, it was not

619
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a Christian. I mean he look at these doctrines that

620
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he has denied. This is utter just a train wreck theologically,

621
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not just.

622
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Like John Wesley would have said, they won't intentionally sin,

623
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but what he's saying here is they won't sin at all,

624
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:36.320
significant false teaching. Compare this with First John one. First

625
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:40.320
John one, verse eight. If we say that we have

626
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no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not

627
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:48.599
in us. That's pretty clear. If we confess our sins,

628
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.599
he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins

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and decleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that

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we have not sinned, we make him a liar and

631
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.760
his word is not in us. What does John say

632
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about somebody who says that they don't sin, that they're

633
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calling God a liar?

634
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:04.039
All right.

635
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First, John's pretty clear on this. We need to be

636
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very careful about saying I don't sin anymore. John tells

637
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us be careful on this. We say we have no sin,

638
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we deceive ourselves. Finney's errors are not minor issues. Each

639
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.880
of them is a major heresy. Put together, they make

640
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Phinney's teachings the kind of dangerous false teaching that the

641
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Apostles warned against and Acts Chapter twenty, verse twenty nine,

642
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.960
the apostle Paul warns the Ephesian elders. He says to them,

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Acts twenty twenty nine, says, for I know this that

644
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after my departure, shall grievous wolves enter in among you,

645
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not sparing the flock. And second Peter two to one

646
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is a warning against false teachers as well. There are

647
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others in the scriptures. But I'm just giving you a

648
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couple examples here second Peter two to one. But there

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were false prophets also among the people, even as there

650
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shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring

651
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.239
in damnable heresies, even denying the lord that bought them.

652
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I mean, that's what Finny did. He denied the atonement

653
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and bringing upon themselves swift destruction. They also were not

654
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mere theological ponderings. Okay, these errors weren't just theological ponderings.

655
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He fleshed them out in practice. Because of his beliefs

656
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:23.239
about humanity, the atonement, and sanctification. He developed a system

657
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:25.639
of revival that was very problematic.

658
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.920
And that is such the key point. His techniques, his

659
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:38.639
understanding of revival, all arise from his complete, total fraudulent theology.

660
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That's why any influence that the influence of Charles Finny

661
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in churches and evangelicalism fundamentalism is staggeringly confusing to me,

662
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because they have been influenced by a lost man. They've

663
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been influenced by a heretic. Now I know, the average

664
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:59.039
person sitting in the pew, you become a Christian? Look

665
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.639
when I became. I mean, look, I have somewhat, you know,

666
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:05.480
a little bit of skin in this game because I

667
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:10.960
became a Christian where at a revival service at a

668
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Southern Baptist church in the middle of nowhere, Texas. Right,

669
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:18.159
it was a revival service, and I guess what they were.

670
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Employing many of Finny's techniques. I had an emotional experience.

671
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Everything there falls right along a line with FINNI now

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praise God that God actually saved me in spite of

673
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:36.000
those techniques.

674
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But those techniques are manipulative. Those techniques are destructive, and

675
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those techniques arise from a wrong theology. Praise God. God

676
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:51.039
can save people in spite of where you hear the

677
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.760
gospel and how you hear it and the manipulative techniques

678
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.360
being used in the presenting of it. God can still

679
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save people. That's great, because salvation is a work of God.

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But so I'm very much aware of revivals, Okay. And

681
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then I was taken around a large portion, not a

682
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large portion. I was taking around different parts of Texas

683
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:18.400
as a teenager to tell my story during revival services.

684
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And what was I there for? What was I there for?

685
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I was there to get the emotions going because I

686
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could tell all of my horrible stories about how I

687
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.480
was raised, and I could get people to cry. Right,

688
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And I mean, I've seen some really messed up things

689
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in these revival services and the techniques used. Right, I

690
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.599
was told exactly when to cry. Cry at this point,

691
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you hit finish it with this, because that gets the

692
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biggest emotional impact. I remember sitting in services saying, hey,

693
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when it's time for the ultra call. You know, you

694
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and a couple of people come forward, because that will

695
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get people feeling like it's okay to come forward. I

696
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.280
don't need to come for it doesn't matter. And so

697
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I've seen all of these manipulative techniques, but they flow that.

698
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They finny developed them, and they were developed from a

699
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false doctrine, from a lost man, and then they influenced

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the church. Now the person sitting in the pew when

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you become a Christian, I see. And this is where

702
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.119
I was going with all of this. When I became

703
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.199
a Christian, and I became a Christian in this kind

704
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:27.199
of revivalistic mindset, I didn't know any better. I thought,

705
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.280
this is just Christianity, Like in my brain, well, this

706
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.320
is how Christianity has always been. It's always been this way, right,

707
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.360
this is the way Christianity is. You have revivals, you

708
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.880
have altar calls, you do all of these things, you

709
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.159
use these techniques. And well it took me a lot

710
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.519
of study and a lot of phiological study and a

711
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:48.320
lot of study of church history where I started going,

712
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:49.800
wait a minute, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait

713
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.480
a minute, wait a minute, this is not the way

714
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.199
it's always been. Wait a minute, wait, some of this

715
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.639
is influenced by Pallagianism. When that's a complete heresy, semi

716
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:03.880
police ism, a heresy, finny, a heretic. Right, So then

717
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.920
you began to question the techniques. But the average person

718
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.079
sitting in the pew, I can understand why they don't know.

719
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:12.760
They're just like, Oh, I become a Christian and this

720
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.239
is the way we do church, and I just thought

721
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.199
this is the way it's supposed to be. Well, no,

722
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:21.239
it's coming from a very wrong influence. And it's sad

723
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.960
that churches that this stuff has happened.

724
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.320
He wrote about religion and revival. There is nothing in

725
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.360
religion beyond the ordinary powers of nature. He's saying, there's

726
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:39.039
nothing supernatural about religion. A revival is not a miracle,

727
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.519
nor dependent on a miracle in any sense. It is

728
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.079
a purely philosophical result of the right use of the

729
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.239
constituted means. In other words, if you use the right

730
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.679
means the right way, there will be a revival, as

731
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.480
much so as any other effect produced by the application

732
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.960
of means. In other words, if you put a pot

733
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.000
on a hot stone and put water in it, the

734
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.719
water will boil. It's cause and effect, and that's what

735
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.400
he's saying. There was cause and effect. Revival comes by

736
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:12.119
cause and effect, and it's natural. It's not supernatural, as

737
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.320
a crop is of the use of appropriate means. In

738
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.599
other words, a revival is as naturally a result of

739
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.599
the use of means, as a crop is of the

740
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.400
use of appropriate means. In other words, plant the seeds,

741
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.280
water the ground, et cetera.

742
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:26.400
And that's natural. Right.

743
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:27.960
You don't need a miracle for that to take place.

744
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.159
It's part of the Nate created order got made. That's

745
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.480
what he's saying. Revival comes that same way. Plant the seeds,

746
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.440
water them, and you will have a revival. Because he

747
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.840
believed revival was not supernatural and from God, but a

748
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:43.119
result of using specific means. He developed means to cause revival.

749
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.360
Many of these means are with us today and we're

750
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:48.360
introduced by Finny. Finny popularized the altar call and the

751
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:53.000
hyper emotional appeals to conversion. Let me mention this, Okay,

752
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:56.559
I don't think it's a sin to give an invitation

753
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.719
as a Baptist. I think it's a real mistake to

754
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.000
call anything an ultra call. There's no altar in this church.

755
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:04.679
Jesus died on the cross once for all, we don't

756
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.840
need an altar anymore, right, is that not true? When

757
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.760
we do have something down here, it's a table for

758
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.559
observing the Lord's supper. I don't know about you, but

759
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.079
what I sit at at home and eat my suppers

760
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.840
on I don't call an altar. Now what churches do

761
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:19.840
have alters Roman.

762
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.679
That's a very good point. And I know many Baptists

763
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.079
churches refer to an alterclo. Come down to the altar,

764
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.920
the altar, the altar? Is it an altar? See philological

765
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.320
word Within theology, words have significance and meaning, and sometimes

766
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:40.519
churches are not very precise in their philological language. It's

767
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.039
not an alter, especially in a Baptist church. We are

768
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.599
remembering the death of Jesus Christ. We're not making it

769
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.239
present again. It's not transubstantiation or consubstantiation. We're not Lutheran,

770
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:53.920
we're not Roman.

771
00:42:53.960 --> 00:43:03.079
Catholic churches have altars because they believe that Jesus is

772
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:07.159
literally present his body and blood in the elements on

773
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.400
that altar. And it's a sacrifice. They call it the

774
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.480
sacrifice of the mass, all right, So they have alters.

775
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.519
So in a Baptist Church. There's no altar to call

776
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:17.960
anybody too.

777
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:18.760
Now.

778
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.960
Having said that, there have been good and godly people,

779
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.599
and I have in my own lifetime given invitations calls

780
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:26.719
for people to come forward and accept Christ. I'm not

781
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:31.360
preaching against those as if they are somehow sinful, okay,

782
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.920
But the altar call and the anxious bench in some

783
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.960
of these things, as Finny applied them, were are very

784
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:40.400
problematic because they come out of this theology, all right,

785
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.400
the idea that you have to manipulate people into a decision,

786
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.639
and that's what comes out of Finny's theology. In other words,

787
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.800
I hope now you see what I'm making, the distinction

788
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:56.760
between revival and revivalism. Jonathan Edwards was not into revivalism,

789
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:58.360
but he saw a great revival from God and we

790
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:02.719
thank God for it. Charles Finny was a revivalist. He

791
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:04.840
had a set of means that he said, you follow

792
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.440
my rules, you follow my pattern, and you will have

793
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.760
a revival. It will happen because it naturalistically happens.

794
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:17.320
No, and if we're going to condemn Finny for the

795
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:24.079
use of means to get results, remove revival from the scenario.

796
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:28.599
Remove revival from the discussion. Churches have been using means

797
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.840
to get results forever. Hey, we're gonna do this so

798
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.599
that we'll get this. We're gonna do this, We're gonna

799
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.480
we're gonna have this. We're gonna do this. We're gonna

800
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.239
use this. We're gonna use this. We're gonna use this

801
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.519
because then we will get more people. And we'll get

802
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:42.480
By getting more people, then we have more money. And

803
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.239
we've got to keep the people to keep the to

804
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.719
keep the church operating. We get to keep the gears

805
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.079
turning to keep this whole institution turning. We need people

806
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.239
and we need money. We so how do we get

807
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:54.679
the people?

808
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:54.880
Now?

809
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.760
We may say we're evangelizing and we want people to

810
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.119
come to God, but in many cases, people are a

811
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.599
means to an end. You need people. You need their

812
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.239
money so that you can keep the church operating. You

813
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.320
can keep repairing the building and proving the building, building

814
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:10.599
a new building. You can do this. You can do this,

815
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:13.599
you can and then you can use that money to

816
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:17.159
then market to then put advertisements, send out flyers. But

817
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:18.800
you've got to have the people to have the money

818
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:20.519
in order to do that, and then that brings in

819
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.199
more people and it's just a never ending cycle. Now

820
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:26.199
we would like to believe no no, no, no no

821
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:28.000
no no no no no, it's all for God. It's

822
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.000
all for God. But there's a there's very much a

823
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.320
means that we are utilizing, and you have to ask yourself,

824
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:41.280
at what point does it just becomes means for fleshly advancement.

825
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:50.360
I don't have an easy answer, right, I don't know

826
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.599
exactly where that line is. But it's very difficult to

827
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:58.159
sometimes have pure motives. And that's true for me as

828
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:02.920
a podcaster, or someone has a pastor why why am

829
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:04.400
I doing what am I doing? Am I doing it

830
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:06.280
for the right reason? Or is it for the I mean,

831
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.760
the motives are very that's why. Look, that's we have

832
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.960
a sinful nature. All of our motives are almost always questionable.

833
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.840
In other words, if you boil water, put water on

834
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:19.599
hot on a hot flame, it will boil. And if

835
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.199
you do Phinny's methods, you will have a revival. Now,

836
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:26.159
the problem is that the the implications of phinis theology.

837
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:28.760
He I guess he didn't look far enough ahead, but

838
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.119
almost all of his disciples ended up going into one

839
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:33.840
form of false teaching or another worse.

840
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.639
Phinni is actually in the line. This would be an

841
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:38.920
interesting political study.

842
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:45.280
But modern liberalism, progressivism politically in America comes out of

843
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.960
not just Finny, but this whole progressive theological movement in America,

844
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.800
the beachers and some of the other ministers at this time,

845
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.159
some of whom were Unitarians.

846
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.880
Now, if you don't know why that would happen, just

847
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:08.679
remember Finni held to some very strong social ideas an abolitionist,

848
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:13.079
wanted end slavery. His college was first to allow African

849
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.079
Americans and women. There was a lot of things he

850
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.920
saw in society that needed to be changed, and he

851
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.840
wanted to fight against those social injustices, which was good.

852
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.679
I think Finny should be applauded for his fight against

853
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.079
many of these injustices. That's a great thing. You're wanting

854
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.679
an abolitionist wanting to abolish slavery, that's a good thing.

855
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.079
How women were being treated and fighting, that's a good thing.

856
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.519
He said, Well, how did it lead to a liberalism

857
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.920
or a progressive form of Christianity, because and every other

858
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:45.320
way he had rejected some of the key tenets of Christianity.

859
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:50.199
So now you're fighting these social injustices. You may call

860
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.119
it Christianity, but you're really going to fight it through

861
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.039
you know, a social gospel in a sense politically, through

862
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:02.679
through you know, forming organizations to fight against these social

863
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:06.880
injustices more from a fleshly political point. And why because

864
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.920
Finny had almost stripped Christianity of any real meaning. You're

865
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:15.199
not saved by an imputed righteousness. He's rejected substitutionary atonement.

866
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:22.039
He's rejected penal substitution. He's rejected imputed righteousness, he's rejected propitiation,

867
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:26.360
he's rejected Christianity. Well, the people who were influenced by Finny,

868
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:28.559
as they move forward, where they're just going to move

869
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:30.920
further and further away from Christianity because they didn't really

870
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.320
ever get Christianity. But they're going to maintain that desire

871
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.800
for social change and justice. They're just going to do

872
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.320
so in a political way. Now they may be more

873
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:43.440
liberal leaning, but they're going to do it in a

874
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.599
political way. We see the same thing happening, and this

875
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.760
is why I get so upset with conservative churches. Conservative

876
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:55.159
churches have the good theology, they have Christianity, but what

877
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.760
they have done is they set aside their theology and

878
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:05.199
Christianity to embrace a conservative approach to fixing society. In

879
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.960
either case, both sides abandon Christianity and pick up a

880
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:15.360
political social desire to fix culture. But you do so politically,

881
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.960
you do so through uh to through means outside of

882
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.960
the Gospel. So yeah, you can see why his movement

883
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:26.519
would become more political or would become more liberally politically.

884
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:31.199
And they're because they already had banned Christianity, so but

885
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.079
they wanted to maintain some of those view so you

886
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:36.199
can kind of see how that worked.

887
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:41.079
So think about this, if this is and this is

888
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.960
why he was so involved also in political activism on

889
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.960
slavery and these kinds of things, because because these are

890
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:53.679
everything's naturalistic, all right, now, all four being opposed to slavery.

891
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.360
But the fact is what makes you see, and this

892
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.920
is what some churches do even today, what makes a

893
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:00.760
church decide that it's going to give up the mission

894
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.320
of preaching the Gospel and instead combat some social ill

895
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:06.400
because that's what a lot of churches in the nineteenth

896
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:11.039
century did. They stopped preaching the Gospel instead became abolitionist churches. Well,

897
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:13.440
I'm fine with somebody saying I don't believe the Bible

898
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.440
teach us that we should enslave people. But I'm not

899
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.000
fine with you saying so, therefore we should stop preaching

900
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.239
the gospel and this should be our main cause. There

901
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.320
was lots of slavery in the first century, and Paul

902
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.400
didn't make that his main cause, all right. And then

903
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:29.440
what happened when they got slavery outlawed, but became the

904
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:36.320
next thing became the prohibition of alcohol. Okay, that was

905
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.840
the next step. And so just those various kinds of things,

906
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.480
and then what became the next thing, all right, And

907
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:47.000
some of these things are not inherently bad ideas. The

908
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.760
civil rights movement, all right, Today the gay rights movement

909
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:52.039
and gay marriage is part of this.

910
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.000
It's just the same line of thinking.

911
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:56.400
Okay, there's lots of churches involved in the gay rights

912
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.960
movement and the gay marriage thing. It's not just like, oh,

913
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:00.760
churches are like, oh that was nice that happened. There

914
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:02.280
are churches advocating for it.

915
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.639
And there's churches who make it their goal to fight

916
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:10.119
against it. Not from a philological perspective, but from a

917
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.760
political perspective. We've got to fix society, We've got to change.

918
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.440
I'm just saying that this abandonment of the Gospel, either

919
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.719
for a liberal political cause or a conservative political cause,

920
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.960
is a cancer that impacts both liberal and conservative. What

921
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.239
we have to do is get back to the Bible

922
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.400
and theology and say, we preach against this as sin.

923
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.320
We call people to faith in Christ. When they come

924
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:36.400
and put their faith in Christ, then we teach them

925
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.800
to obey after conversion. We say, now here is how

926
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:42.800
you should live and how you shouldn't live. Now you're

927
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:44.920
not going to be perfect or going to sin. Praise

928
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.559
God for God's imputed righteousness. That's what your salvation is

929
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:50.400
based off. But this is the path we should follow,

930
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:53.760
not because of a political argument, not because we're trying

931
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:57.000
to make society live as Christians, but because we call

932
00:51:57.079 --> 00:51:59.760
ourselves the followers of Christ. We should seek to follow

933
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:04.880
Him and these moral areas, even though we may fail.

934
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.400
It's not an idea I'm going to go make those Hey,

935
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.559
you lost people over there. We do not want you

936
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:13.079
doing this and this and this and this and this

937
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:14.840
and this and this and this and this because we

938
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:18.000
say so, well, no, no, that's not. Christianity is not

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about forcing morality on lost people. Christianity is about presenting

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00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.400
the gospel to lost people so that they will get

941
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saved and then adopt a different moral philosophy based off

942
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of being a follower of Christ, not because they have

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to because the Republican Party tells them so. So both

944
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.239
the liberal and the conservative here is problematic.

945
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Well how did they get there?

946
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They got there because they made the gospel naturalistic and

947
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not about the salvation of souls but about the ramification

948
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:53.360
changing of society, and Finny's in that line. Unfortunately, now

949
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:54.920
having said this, there are some of you in here

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00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.800
who've heard people positively refer to Charles Finny, and I

951
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.719
think the reason that is is because people hear the

952
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.599
story about the great amounts of people that turned to God,

953
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:05.000
and some people may have genuinely been say probably were

954
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.199
in his preaching. They were interpreting what he was saying

955
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.039
through the lens of what they had heard growing up,

956
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.400
and they got saved. And so we hear that, and

957
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.519
we say, thank God, wouldn't we the Second Great Awakening?

958
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Look at these revivals? Wasn't this a great thing? But

959
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:18.719
the problem is, once you study Phine's theology, then you

960
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:21.760
have to go, WHOA, Maybe that's not what we want

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00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:25.320
to hold up Okay, we want to be cautious with this.

962
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.079
The impact of revivalism. Charles Finni was initially very successful

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00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.840
in seeing numbers of people respond to his preaching. Many

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00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.440
even today hould him up as a model for evangelism.

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Because of his success, others have copied his methods. But

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00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.960
here's the problem. One of the areas that he most

967
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.760
commonly preached in New York became known as the burned

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00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.000
over District. That when you started to apply Phiney's methods there,

969
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.039
nothing happened. People were immune to the emotionalism, and so

970
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.199
evangelists stopped going into that area because it was the

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burned over district that had been overdone by Finni and

972
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:02.440
his followers. The best known evangelist to copy the methods

973
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:03.400
of Finny was D. A.

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Moody.

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Now, Dwight Moody, now let me be cautious here. I

976
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.679
am not condemning Dwight Moody as having the same theology

977
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as Charles Finny. Moody, however, rejected Phinei's theology. Moody's theology,

978
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:19.159
I should say Moody was. He was theologically orthodox. I've

979
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got a type there. Moody was theologically Orthodox. In other words,

980
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.039
Moody was not a false teacher, Okay.

981
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:26.559
He loved the Lord. He wanted to see people saying. However,

982
00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.440
he did.

983
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.039
Adopt some of Phinney's methods, methods which grew out of

984
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:34.960
a very bad theology. This same thing could be said

985
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.519
about other evangelists that followed and copied Da Moody, such

986
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.199
as Billy Sunday and Billy Graham. All right, Now, do

987
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:43.920
not under do not misunderstand this as a wholesale rejection

988
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:44.480
of these men.

989
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:45.079
In their ministries.

990
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:47.480
But what I'm wanting to do is show you that

991
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.079
these people actually borrowed ideas from somebody who had some

992
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:54.239
really bad ideas and applied them. And that's how they've become.

993
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.199
Some of these ideas that become every day for us.

994
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.400
All Right, So I'm gonna say this. I thank God

995
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.119
for the million of people who came to Christ through

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00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:03.360
Da Moody. I thank the Lord for his godly life.

997
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:05.440
Okay.

998
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:07.239
I think it was a mistake for Moody to borrow

999
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:11.199
some of Finney's methods, though, thank the Lord for people

1000
00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:14.800
who came to the Lord through Billy Sunday's ministry.

1001
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:16.079
Okay.

1002
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.760
The probably the best known evangelist in the early twentieth century.

1003
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:21.400
Billy Graham probably the best known evangelist of the twentieth century.

1004
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.840
And you know, if you know this the facts about

1005
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.639
some of these kinds of things, you know they had

1006
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.039
an angle. So, for example, one of the things Billy

1007
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:34.639
Sunday would do is he'd preach the gospel and then

1008
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.079
they'd have a spot on the stage that they'd open

1009
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.519
a trap door and he could get down into it. Now,

1010
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:43.519
what did Billy Sunday do before he was a evangelist.

1011
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.559
He was a baseball player. He held the record for

1012
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.000
stolen bases at one point in Major League Baseball, and

1013
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:53.079
so he was famous. It'd be like if today, oh,

1014
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.679
Derek Jeter were converted and became an evangelist, how many

1015
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:58.559
people would come to the meeting just to see Derek Jeter.

1016
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:00.800
Okay, let's a draw.

1017
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:02.559
And then what he'd do is he'd give the gospel

1018
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:04.599
and he'd say, anybody who wants to come and shake

1019
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:08.079
Billy Sunday's hand, come down here, and they'd come forward,

1020
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.320
he'd shake their hand, and then he'd have a counselor

1021
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.079
waiting and ready, and he'd hand them off to the

1022
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.239
council who would take them aside and give them the gospel.

1023
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.559
But they hadn't come because they said, I'm convicted, I

1024
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:18.199
need to be saved.

1025
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.039
They came to meet Billy Sunday. All right.

1026
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.039
To me, that's a suspicious method. I wouldn't do it

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00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:26.760
that way. That's very finnyasque okay, way to do it?

1028
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.039
All right, We will stop there. That is called revivalism

1029
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.199
and Charles Finny. Please go finish the rest of it.

1030
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.039
There's only about eleven minutes maybe of it left, so

1031
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.440
you can go finish the rest. Please go go finish

1032
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.119
the rest because I want them to get the downloads

1033
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.519
on the streams. Again. That's revivalism and Charles Finny from

1034
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:49.360
hang on, let me open up the sermon's two point

1035
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:55.719
oh app That is from Calvary Baptist Church, Revivalism and

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00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.639
Charles Finny. It's a part of a series entitled Are

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Baptist heritorg I think that's the name of the series.

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00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.480
But if you just type in revival LOSM and Charles Finny,

1039
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.239
you should be able to find it, right, you should

1040
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.559
be able to find it if I can speak correctly.

1041
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.800
All right, now, remember it is Friday, all right, Your

1042
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:19.320
challenge today, tomorrow and Sunday is you need that Sermons

1043
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:21.360
two point oh app. Download it from the Apple App

1044
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.199
Store or the Google Play Store and start looking for

1045
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:26.639
sermons on Charles Finny. I want you to find the

1046
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.960
pro Finny sermons. I want you to find those that

1047
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.920
are pro to pro our Team Finny, and those who

1048
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.559
are against Finny. I want you to hear all the

1049
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.480
different perspectives. I want you to have a better understanding

1050
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:43.039
of this very influential man who influenced Christianity for all

1051
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:46.159
the way up to the present time, and yet was

1052
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.840
not a Christian and was a heretic. And we need

1053
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.920
to see where that influence lies today. Now you can

1054
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:55.280
see how the influence spread. You have people like Moody,

1055
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.480
Billy Sunday, Billy Graham. These are household names. These are

1056
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.679
the names that are spoken of with great reverence and

1057
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:09.280
respect in many circles. Yet they borrowed Finny's techniques. That's problematic,

1058
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.480
all right, So but I went so that's part of

1059
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.760
your challenge doing that. Now. The goal on Sunday is

1060
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.760
we will hear we will begin our going through all

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00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.360
the their force in the Book of Romans. So we'll

1062
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:26.119
be working on that. I need to get back to

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00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:34.079
Ephesian's four and I just have like one, two, three, four, five, six,

1064
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:38.360
what seven? Small little paragraphs maybe maybe just some of these,

1065
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:43.320
maybe just even be sentences on this article from the

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00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.679
June seventh, twenty twenty four issue of the Printed Sermon

1067
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:49.039
in the June seventh, twenty twenty four edition of the

1068
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.280
sort of the Lord newspaper, because this is what started

1069
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.960
the whole discussion about revival and then inadvertently we ended

1070
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:58.320
up to Charles Finnie. So but yes, I will try

1071
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.639
to review at least one more message on Fenny. I

1072
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.920
just stayed with this one because this one is so good.

1073
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.679
That information is so great, is this one? Is this

1074
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:11.960
one is? I would highly recommend this one again. Revivalism

1075
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.719
and Charles Fenny please download it please. They've only got

1076
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.239
eighty four downloads. Let's get that to over one hundred.

1077
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:22.519
Come on, please download it, stream it, okay? And then

1078
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.000
so that's what we will be doing, and that will Yeah,

1079
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:29.519
there's about a million other things we need to do,

1080
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:31.639
but we'll see. We'll see how many other things I

1081
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:35.119
can get done today I'd like to get I think

1082
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.679
I think I may try to turn around here really

1083
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.519
really quick and finish up this the Sword of the

1084
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:44.400
Lord paper. I mean, there's really it's gonna be a

1085
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:46.920
really not a good episode, so you probably just want

1086
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:48.960
to skip it. I know that's not really smart, but

1087
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.199
I'm just saying, there's not much here, but we do

1088
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.679
need to finish it, so we will do that, all right.

1089
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:00.360
Thank you for listening. It's a Charles Fenny weekend, all right.

1090
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.719
So tell your kids, Hey, we're gonna you're gonna dress

1091
01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.960
up like people who live during the time of Finny.

1092
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:07.880
We're gonna we're gonna try to pretend that we're at

1093
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.760
a Finny revival service. And this is what it looked like.

1094
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:12.039
I don't know, I don't know what you want to do.

1095
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:15.679
Just just learn about Finny this weekend, all right? And

1096
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:21.199
then Romans all the their fours right there we go. Oh,

1097
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.320
and I think there's hang on, if I look on

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01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:25.320
the sermon's two point Oh app hang on if I

1099
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:27.840
look here the Puritan is it?

1100
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:28.119
Wait?

1101
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:34.639
Where is it the conference? Hang on? Let me look here.

1102
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:42.880
There's a Puritan conference I think happening right now. Is

1103
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:47.639
it the PRTs conference? I don't know? Oh, look, well,

1104
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.599
just keep looking at the live webcast and I think

1105
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:52.960
so I thought I saw it. We will see, we

1106
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:56.840
will see, but we're gonna do it again. It's we've

1107
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:59.679
got the host Sermon's two point oh app challenge for

1108
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:01.679
you the rest of twenty twenty four, where you're supposed

1109
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:02.960
to be listening to a sermon every day on the

1110
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.599
Sermon's two point oh app, writing it down, and then

1111
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:07.760
writing a summary of what the sermon was about, and

1112
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:09.559
hopefully then by the end of the year you have

1113
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.280
in your notebook one sermon for every day of the year.

1114
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:15.519
And it doesn't matter how far behind you are. Let's

1115
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.800
finish the year out trying to make the most if

1116
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.280
we can of the Sermon's two point oh app. So yeah,

1117
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.480
we'll see. And I'm going to try my best to

1118
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.920
come up with new ways to promote and point to

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01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.920
different things on the app. But we'll talk about that later,

1120
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.599
all right, for now, Finny, and then I'll try to

1121
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:35.719
be back here in just a few minutes to finish

1122
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.480
up this review of this sort of the Lord article

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on Revival. All right, thanks for listening, everyone, have a

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01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:42.760
great day. God bless