Oct. 21, 2024

Another Axe Head Interpretation

Another Axe Head Interpretation

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective.

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This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good

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morning everyone.

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It is Monday, October the twenty first, twenty twenty four.

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It is currently nine fifty seven am Central Time, and

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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central

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studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, ladies and gentlemen,

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I know it's fast approaching October the thirty first, and

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for some people that's Reformation Day. For other people that's Halloween.

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But this is the time of year that a lot

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of times people start talking about well, frightening things, things

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that go bump in the night. And right now I

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am being frightened. Right now, I am being scared. Right now,

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I am being haunted by a floating axehead.

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It will not go away.

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Wherever I turn, there's the floating axe head. And then

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I turn this way, there's the floating axe head. And

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I go to sleep and I see the floating axe head,

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and I hear the floating axe head keep whispering to me.

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I am never going away. I Am never leaving you.

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Okay, all right, Maybe that's a little bit of an exaggeration.

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Maybe that's a little bit of hyperbole, but I feel

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like I cannot escape the floating axe head no matter.

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What I do. But here we are. This all started.

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It was a simple idea, let's do one of our

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sermon reviews. Oh, here's a sermon on Second Kings, chapter six,

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verses one through seven. All right, this should be somewhat interesting.

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I have a feeling I know which direction they're going

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to go. Right, So we started listening to the sermon,

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and as usual, they took Second Kings chapter six, verses

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one through seven, and all of a sudden, this represents this,

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and this represents this, presents this, and this represents this,

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and this represents this, and I'm like, oh, for crying

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out loud, does this ever stop? Does this ever end?

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And so it started bringing up all kinds of issues

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related to hermineutics, right.

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Hermeneutical principles.

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So we started we started looking at this and this,

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and we started looking at allegorical versus literal. We started

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looking at different hermaeutical principles. In fact, yesterday at Victory

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Baptist Church, I spent two plus hours going through hermonutical

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principles and you could hear in those two plus hours

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a lot of my frustration, my irritation just with I mean, look,

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I hate to see it. I know Christians get mad

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when I say this. Look, here's the reality of hermonutics

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within Christianity. People open the Bible, read the Bible and

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just make up whatever they want. That's just the reality

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of it. And you can say no, they don't know,

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yes they do. And if you look at the innumerable

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a number of interpretations offered over two thousand years of

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church history, everyone thinks their interpretation is right. Everyone thinks

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their interpretation is binding on everyone else. And now you

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say my interpretation is right, your interpretation is wrong. And

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it's just it's just it's basically everyone does what is

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right in their own eyes. It's complete chaos. It's confusion, confusion,

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and it's well, it's it's at times discouraging and depressing.

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And if you go back and look at all the

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messages we did last week about I mean, I mean,

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it got crazy, right, I mean, who reads Proverbs chapter

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thirty and the next thing you know, you're having a

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discussion that there's coming a time where they will eat

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poor people, and they will chop off their head, drink

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their blood, and eat their flesh. You're like, how in

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the world did you get there from Proverbs thirty? I know,

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I still don't know how we got there. That's how

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crazy it got just showing you. And the goal wasn't

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even at that point to try to show you how

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crazy Bible interpretation can be. We just kind of stumbled

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into it. So that's what we've been doing. I'm not

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going to go back and you everything. I mean, there's

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so many hours of teaching on.

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All of it.

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You should go back and just start listening to everything

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we've been doing over the last week, and you can

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listen to my messages from yesterday two plus hours going

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through hermeneutical principles. So this morning, I come up here

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to the studio, I sit down.

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I'm like, okay, so what's on the agenda today?

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Right, well, let me open up this sermons two point

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oh app let me go to newest sermons. And I'm like,

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you've got to be kidding me, because once again, what

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did I find?

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Second King's Chapter six? Eh? Yeah, I'm never leaving you alone.

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So I hit play for the first I don't know

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seven minutes, six minutes.

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They just read.

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They just read the entire chapter of Second King's chapter six.

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They just read it what thirty three verses if I

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remember correctly, and they just read it right, It's just

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just the pastor standing there reading the entire chapter. Then

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he kind of starts working through Second Kings Chapter six

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pretty straightforward. It seem like it's not gonna be too sensational.

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It's gonna be pretty straightforward. I'm thinking, Okay, well, maybe

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this is gonna hold to somewhat of a kind of

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a literal approach to some level, gonna handle this following

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some basic hermeneutical principles. And the next thing, you know, he's

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citing Matthew Henry and let the spiritualizing, the allegorizing of

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the text began. So I fast forwarded this to basically

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really close to where he's going to read the Matthew

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Henry quote, and then I'm going to we're gonna challenge

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how and look, and here's the thing. He didn't justify

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the interpretation. He just quoted Matthew Henry as being authoritative,

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as being dogmatic, and then just moved on. He didn't say, well,

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wait a minute, how did Matthew Henry come to this conclusion?

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What was the what let's let's justify it.

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Like like to me, I would have said, okay, ladies

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and gentlemen, let's take a famous commentary on Second Kings

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chapter six. Oh look, we have the Matthew Henry commentary here.

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All right everyone, here's what Matthew Henry said. So his

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hypothesis is that we can read Second King's chapter six

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about the floating axehead, and we can draw this principle.

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We can interpret it this way, we can apply it

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this way.

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All right.

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Now that's his hypotheses. Let's test it as a congregation.

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Let's test it now. I know people don't typically do

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church that way, but that's how I would do it.

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And I would be like, okay, let's test this, okay.

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Claim number one, claim number two, and then well, I

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don't even know how you would test some of these,

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because again it's just basically reading a story and just

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making up whatever you want.

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But okay, so we're gonna what we're gonna do is

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just listen to this.

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I don't want this to turn into I mean, typically

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these messages go an hour, hour and a half. I'm

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just going to basically let you hear their basic hypotheses

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that they put forth and then I'm gonna challenge it

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a little bit, and just because at some point, maybe

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if I keep talking about Second Kings, Chapter six and

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the floating accid, the floating act said will go away,

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all right, Maybe someone will just go ahead and get

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the floating act head out of the water and just

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go away and I never have to deal with this

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ever again. But the reality is, it's not about the

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floating ac set. See, that's what I think people are misunderstanding.

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It's not about the floating act sad. It's about the

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two thousand year history of how Christians have handled the

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Word of God. We can't even agree on the hermeneutical principle.

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We don't even agree on which hermoneutical system hermeneutical method

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should be utilized, and the average per and well, I

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don't want to go back through the problem. I spent

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almost an hour yesterday going through the history of the problem.

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But I just want to maybe if we address this enough.

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We can move on to something else.

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But it was there, so here we are, are you ready.

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It's not my fault, blame, my blame. The sermon's two point.

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Oh app all right, Remember this whole year is about

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just listening to random sermon on the sermon's two point

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oh app and so I mean, how could I pass

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up one that said Second King's Chapter six. Literally the

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title of it is Second Kings Chapter six are Second

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King six Old Testament.

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Spirit Scripture reading.

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So I thought, oh, well, maybe it's just a reading

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of Second But then I was like, it was thirty

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something minutes.

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I'm like, well, obviously it's going to do more than

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just reading it. So what is this? Well, here we go,

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here's what I heard. This jumps right into the middle.

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I think he's just now he's getting ready to mention

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verses four and five where they come down to the

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Jordan and the axe head falls, and then it'll go

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into verse.

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Six and seven.

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So I backed it up a little bit so that

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there's some context. I was just going to fast forward

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it right to where he reads. Matthew Henry may have

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been more effective.

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That way, but then someone would have.

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Said, you're taking it out of context. So here at

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least have some level of context.

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Verse three, verses four and five, they go to Jordan,

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they begin to cut, and a borrowed axe head slips

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off and fall into the Jordan river. Notice the extraordinary

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means employed verse six, He cut down a stick and

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cast it in.

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Thither you have a felled tree.

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Elisha takes an axe, cuts off one of the sticks,

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throws it in, and by God's power, that stick draws

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up the iron to the surface. The iron did swim,

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confirming the Elisha's words, his preaching, his doctrine. These miracles

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confirm these words.

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Now that's pretty text based right there, right hey, this

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miracle confirms the words of Elisha, confirms him being a prophet.

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Okay, all right, okay, you could.

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Say one of the main reasons for these miracles is

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to confirm him being a prophet, him being from God,

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God blessing his God, God blessing his ministry, you know,

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confirming that his words are from God, et cetera, et cetera,

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et cetera. Okay, that's all right, that's pretty good. All right,

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we could do something with that, right now, What do

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we take from that? What do we learn from that? Well,

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then it would raise a very important theological question.

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If the words of the prophets.

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Were confirmed by miracles and second Kings Chapter six, then

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how is that to be applied to us in twenty

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twenty four that the words of a pastor is confirmed

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by miracles. Well, many charismatics would carry on that idea,

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So how do we approach that? He said, Well, this

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was done at this time because they did not have

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the an errant, infallible Word of God completed. Right, So,

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and there were a lot of people walking around claiming

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to be prophets, so you had to have some way

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to confirm who was who was the true and who

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was the false? Okay, you can make some kind of

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argument like that. All right, there's a lot of directions

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you could go there, right, But.

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At least it's dealing.

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It's staying within realm of textual possibility. Right, at least

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that makes some form of sense that connects it to

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the history, that connects it to what's going on at

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that time.

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That it's still logically consistent. So all right.

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So I was like, okay, well this could be an

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example of handling it in a good way.

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Right.

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So I was kind of like, all right, that's interesting.

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It does raise lots of questions. Hmmm, okay, do I

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do anything with that? Well he didn't stop there.

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Matthew Henry comments.

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He says, God's grace can thus raise the stony heart,

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which has sunk into the mud of this world, and

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raise up affections naturally earthly to bring them above.

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Pray, God, give my.

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Heart no more stoniness as iron that sinks in water,

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but raise it up to you from the mud and

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the muck, even as he did here.

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Ray is us, o Lord, that we may not mind

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earthly things.

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As Paul says in Philippians three nineteen, that means to

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are the things of this life. No, raise your eyes.

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that's us sinking into the muck and the mire of

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the world. And then then the stick being placed in

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is God miraculous rising us up again. You're supposedly giving

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us a new heart, removing us stony heart. Okay, that's

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from Ezekiel thirty six. If you look at Ezekiel thirty six,

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that has nothing.

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I'll give you a new heart. Then you'll go into

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the land that I promised your father's. There's no way

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to get so I don't even know where everyone runs

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to that constantly has nothing to do with us.

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raise our affections. So we'll put our eyes on the

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things of God. But then he says, but raise your

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own eyes, put your own Well, so is it God

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Is that I'm doing it?

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And what has any of this got to do with

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an axe head sinking into water? Who gives Matthew Henry

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the authority to go to this text and say, wait, wait, wait,

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what we should take from this is, see, we are

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like the axe head. We fall into the water and

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we sink down. And then this is a being you know,

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we're we're we have sunked into the we have been

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swallowed up by this world, and so now we have

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to be raised up right.

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First of all, the axe head is borrowed, so wait,

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so we are borrowed or it's our affections borrowed. Okay, wait,

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so now this gets all kinds of how does this work,

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but as and then we're we're supposedly raised up. But

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where do you get this? How do how does water

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represent this? How does the axe head represent this? Where

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do we show up in the tag? Where do our

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affection show up? Where does any of this show up

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in the text? Now, people love the Matthew Henry commentary.

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Oh that's so good, it's so devotional.

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even be very convicting and challenging and maybe even somewhat

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spiritually beneficial to.

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the text or misapplying the text. I know you can

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view it from well, I liked it. It made me

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feel good, it benefited me, So that's all that matters.

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Now, what matters is our handling of the text.

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I love the fact that you were convicted by it,

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you're encouraged by it.

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You've great.

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It was a wonderful sermon. That's great, wonderful. If that's

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all you care about, great, someone has to say.

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But the text matters or does it not?

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Second Kings Chapter six as a picture of God raising

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us up spiritually or transforming us poses several philological and

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hermeneutical challenges. While the desire to find spiritual lessons in

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the text is understandable, such an interpretation can be very problematic.

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Let's look at a couple of possible issues. How about

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textual integrity and the author's intent. I mean, what, matt

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is it all about getting a spiritual lessons or is

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it about staying having some integrity of the text and

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trying to figure.

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Out what the author intended? You see?

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The primary issue with doing this to the text is

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once again you're allegorizing the text and it moves away

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from the historical and literary context of the narrative. The

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story is a part of the Elisha cycle, in which

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God works through his prophet to perform miracles, demonstrating his

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care for the people and the authority of Elisha as

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a prophet. Now, I do agree it shows his care

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for the people and it demonstrates Elisha's authority as a prophet.

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He did mention that that is awesome, But then immediately

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he goes into the Matthew Henry quote and he doesn't

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prove the Matthew Henry quote, doesn't justify the Matthew Henry.

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I went to church and they were reading Second Kings

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chapter six, and I saw that. How the when the

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axe head fell into the water, that's us falling into

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the into the world and being overwhelmed by the world,

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and our affections get get messed up. But praise be

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to God. They put the stick in the water, and

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this is him raising me up, raising my affections so

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I can seek now the things in heaven and not

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the things on this earth.

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Oh wow, that sounded really good. That's some good preaching.

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Yeah, but what's the How about integrity to the text?

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How about the author's intent?

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There is no indication in the text itself that the

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floating act set is meant to represent spiritual transformation or

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any abstract philological concept. To impose such an interpretation risk

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distorting the author's intended meaning. The immediate purpose of the

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miracle appears to meet a practical need, the recovery of

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a valuable borrowed tool.

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I will be the first to admit there's Sometimes you're

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reading a text you're like, hmm, this seems odd. This

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seems kind of this seems kind of weird, It seems

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out of place. There's something unique about it. I wonder

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if it's possible that this could be picturing this or

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this could be picturing. This seems kind of odd, right,

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maybe there's a clue here. So in some ways I

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could see Second King six, all of a sudden you

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go out all of these miracles, and then all of

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a sudden you got raising a flow an axehead that

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had sunk to the bottom of the of the Jordan, Like, hmm,

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So I can see why, right, I can see why.

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be like, ladies and gentlemen. The following three things in

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this text gives me at least suspicion that there's more

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going on here. So let's try to put this with

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this and and see if it works textually, see if

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In the in the story.

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Like the main key in Second King six is whatever

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you say this represents this or this represents this.

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Though it was borrowed So if you say it represents this,

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then how does that fit that it's borrowed. The whole

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key of this miracle is it's a borrowed axead. That's

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why losing it was such a big deal, because it

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was a very valuable tool at that particular time, and

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it's a historical and cultural context. It was borrowed. If

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you lose something that's borrowed, that's not good. And not

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only that it's very valuable. How are you going to

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pay the person back? So it seems insignificant and light

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of the other miracles, But then maybe that's the whole point.

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everything else, But maybe the key is I don't think

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there's any indication in this text that it represents anything,

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all right, The immediate purpose of the miracle appears to

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meet a practical need, the recovery of a valued borrowed tool.

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So when we look at the text, it's not about ooh,

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we can make this devotional, Ooh, we can make this practical.

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Who we can give some spiritual lessons because people in

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the church will get bored. No, it's about textual integrity

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and the author's intent, not your intent as a pastor

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to preach a sermon, but the author's intent.

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It's and if we believe all scripture is given.

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By inspiration of God, what was God's intended reason for

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placing this story in the text. Now some people say, well,

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but all scripture is given by God, and it is

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profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction.

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I think scripture in general is do we take that

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to every.

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Single word that's still profitable in some level because it's

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demonstrating God's power to do that which is not natural. Right,

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he's overcoming basically the physical laws, but he's doing so

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in care. And what may seem to be insignificant, there

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could be some practical lessons there that still remain true

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to the text. So textual integrity and the author's intent.

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of interpreting scripture encourages us to look at the plain

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meaning of the text, rooted in its historical context. When

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we take this approach, we see the passage recounts a

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physical miracle with no explicit indication that it should be

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read as a metaphor for spiritual transformation. The historical grammatical

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approach just says you interpret scripture and its plain meaning.

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The plain meaning is there is a miracle here about

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a lost axehead which was borrowed. The end, there's no

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indication of it meaning this or this or this or this.

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it should be read as a metaphor for spiritual transformation.

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his people, demonstrating that God's intervention is not limited to

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grand or spiritual events, but extends to even mundane and

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material problems. Maybe that's the lesson, at least in this

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particular context. So I think when we have to consider

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the textual integrity and the author's intent, and if we're

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going to hold anything close to a historical grammatical approach,

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do we go with the plain meaning of the text.

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We don't come in and add all of this. Why

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do we add all of this?

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Because it's the sermon, it's the sermon.

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The whole structure, the whole concept of sermons has turned

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into this almost taking the text and making it almost

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an hour of entertainment, in this sense that you say,

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whatever is necessary to have a good sermon, it's got

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to have it's got to be interesting, you've got to

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have a hook. No, it's about studying the text. It's

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not about preaching sermons. Number three, we have the danger

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of over spiritualizing. Interpreting the aset is representing our spiritual

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condition can lead to speculative, speculative everyone hear that speculative

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and subjective readings. By spiritualizing every detail of the story,

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the oxhead is representing the human soul, the water is

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symbolizing sin, or death or the world, we risk imposing

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meanings that the text itself does not su port. This

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can lead to different conflicting interpretations that may stray from

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sound exit Jesus and confuse the original message of the text.

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And that's what I told everyone to go grab the

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sermon's two point oh app and just start listening to

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sermons on second Kings, chapter six, and let me know

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what you find.

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Well, I know I didn't hear from I don't think it.

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Maybe a few people, because I know what you were finding. Well,

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this one says it represents this, and this one says

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it represents this, and this one says it represents this,

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and this one says it represents this. Because there's no

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end to what it can represent other than your own imagination.

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I mean, I could go see the axehead.

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It was chopping down wood. The axehead represents Satan, and

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Satan was working for God. But he he ultimately fell

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and he and he was submerged. But one day God

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is going to raise him up and save him.

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He said, well, that's ridiculous. The Bible doesn't teach it. Well,

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the Bible doesn't teach a lot of things you claim.

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This text says.

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you can just go crazy with it.

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I know you can make an argument against that one,

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but the point is you can just start making anything

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represent anything.

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There's God to.

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That's where you have to stop this over spiritualizing, because

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it becomes subjective, it becomes speculative, and it becomes ridiculous.

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Now as long as you can make it sound good, though,

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the people in the pub will just say amen and say, Pastor,

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that was so good. Yeah, and I've never seen that

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in the text because it's not there. That's that's why

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you haven't seen it, all right, Okay, So that there's

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the danger of over spiritualizing inconsistent application. If one reads

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the flow voting act, seat is representing God's act of

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spiritually raising up believers are transforming them. Consistency would demand

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that every Old Testament miracle be interpreted in the same

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allegorical way. This approach could quickly lead to a method

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of interpreting scripture where historical events are seen primarily as

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symbolic rather than real events with real meaning in their

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historical context. Now what some people say, No, it's a

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real event. It's a historical event. We are not denying that.

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I know you're not denying that. But the sermon goes,

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this was real, it was a real event. But it

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represents this, and it represents this, and it represents this,

482
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and it represents this, and the entire sermon is all

483
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about what it represents or how we're going to apply it,

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and that real historical authors intent just gets an intent

485
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gets lost. Not all miracles in the Bible convey a

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spiritual allegory. For example, Jesus feeding the five thousand is

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a literal, historical miracle of provision, and while it has

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stillological significance, it's not primarily intended as an allegory for something.

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Now we will do that, right, we will say, well, see,

490
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oh Jesus fed the group.

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But you know, he took a little and he turned

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it into a lot, and if we'll give him our little,

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he'll turn it into a lot. Is that the purpose

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of the story? Can we even draw that lesson from it?

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And that particular case he did.

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Not only that?

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So so we if we just consider all of this

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when we when we start doing this type of thing,

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we almost destroy textual integrity and we almost ignore the

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author's intent. We definitely are avoiding and ignoring and moving

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away from a historical grammatical approach. There is a great

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and we're basically entering into the danger of over spiritualizing

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our our our application becomes really inconsistent at this point.

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And if we do it this way, is it possible

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we're distorting the Suppose that theology of transformation, the miracle

506
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of the floating acts head is about a temporary practical

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need being met, where the concept of spiritual transformation is

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about deep ongoing work of God in the believer's life.

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To conflate the two could minimize the way of transformation

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the scripture describes Elsewhere, the process of transformation is much

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more clearly taught in other passages. All right, there is

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no need to impose philological concept on a passage like

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Second Kings, where the focus is on a physical, immediate miracle.

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The most faithful approach to interpreting Second Kings is to

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see it as a part of a broader narrative of

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God's providence and power through Elisha's ministry. The miracle highlights

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God's concern for the material needs of his people and

518
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confirms the authority of his profit. While it's possible to

519
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draw general lessons about God's care, intervention, and provision, the

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text itself does not lend support to deep allegories about

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spiritual transformation. It should be understood within the context of

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the historical narrative rather than a symbolic betrayal of spiritual realities.

523
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Now, if I.

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Say that that destroys so much preaching, that destroys devotional

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type commentaries.

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See because if I just if I kind of go there,

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people go, well.

528
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That's that's all it means, I mean, come on, we

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got to do more with that. I mean, hey, the

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story of David and Goliath, we got to do more.

531
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Goliath has got to represent fear or temptation or their

532
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struggles in life. And and then David, he gathered these stones.

533
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They have to represent this, and they have to represent this,

534
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and they have to represent this. And and then Joshua

535
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marching around the walls, the walls of Jericho have to

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represent this. And and then marching around has to represent this.

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And then and then well, and then this, and then

538
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and then and and just goes on and on and on,

539
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and it just never stops. Now, it makes for good

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sermons if your focus is on well, something interesting, something

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supposedly practical, destroys the text.

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Now are you saying, there's never a time?

543
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I'm saying, look, if the text tells me, hmm, there's

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something going on here, what do I do with this?

545
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What do I do with this?

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But we got to be careful because the thing is,

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even if we think there may be something there, what's

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our basis for it? Our what's how do we draw

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that conclusion other than our own imagination? And in many

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cases pastors come to those conclusions, not because they saw

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it because they read it in a book, they saw

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it in a commentary, they heard it in another sermon.

553
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So then you just perpetuate.

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This new idea or this this way of handling the text,

555
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and you're just basically following a basically or following tradition.

556
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We condemn Roman Catholicism for that, right, Well, there's tradition.

557
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Well we say we were against tradition, but many pastors

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are just simply repeating how the text has been handled

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year after year after year after year after year after

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year after year, and nobody's like, wait a minute, wait

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a minute, why does everyone approach the text this way?

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Why?

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Well, because that's the way people have always done it.

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But we don't follow tradition, right, there has to be

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In other words, what I'm trying to say is there's

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got to be something that stops and go wait, that's

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now it's perfectly okay to say, look, guys, look, guys,

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I don't know what necessarily to do with this text.

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Like let's just say you don't really know what to

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do with this text. If we just look at it

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from a purely historical perspective, maybe we could get this lesson,

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maybe we could get this lesson. But I did find

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some interesting things about this, right.

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If you look at this, well, if you look at this,

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and if you compare it to this, and you compare,

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and then maybe you can build.

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But you should make it very clear that you're speculating.

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You should make it very clear that this is hypothetical.

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You can make it very clear that you just are

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finding interesting correlations or interesting connections because of the name

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of the play, so because of this or or or

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this scripture uses very similar language or like like you

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can start, like if you can start finding those correlations

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and those connections. But this is just people just goes

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to second Kings and they're just like the axid represents

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this or it pictures this, or hey, Matthew Henry said,

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it's about you know, ours being spiritually transformed, and we

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fall into the water and that's the world, and we

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submerged into the world.

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But Jesus will.

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Raise this up and we can set our affections on

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things above. Okay, well wait, do I set my affections

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or does he raise my affections?

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Okay? Whatever, wait, and what's borrowed here? Okay, but just ignore.

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All of that yeah, But what we do is we

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just go to a commentary like that and then basically

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turn that into the sermon.

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Now it preaches better. It's just but what about the text?

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What about the text?

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So I can't get away from Second King six. It's

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haunting me, it's following me. It will not leave me alone. Now,

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now let me make it very clear. This is the

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reality of Christianity.

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Though.

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Here's the reality of Christianity. No matter what I say,

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You're gonna come up with your own interpretation. You're going

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to go with the one that you think is right,

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and you're gonna think yours is right and mine is wrong.

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Because everyone does what is right in their own eyes.

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That's the reality of Christianity. I can offer, I can

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I can offer the most sound interpretation that I think

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is humanly possible, and anyone can choose to go wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong,

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and then.

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You pick the interpretation you think is right.

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You can go to a church, you can disagree with

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your pastor you can just leave your church and go

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to another church. Because everyone just opens the Bible and

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interprets it anyway that they want, and then they say

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their interpretation is right, and then they judge all preaching

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based on.

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Their interpretation of Scripture. So people will.

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Listen to this and judge me based on their interpretation

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is script sure and tell me whether I'm right or wrong.

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Some may agree with me and then listen to other

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people and disagree with them. But everyone just has their

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own interpretation. There is no there is no end to

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00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.839
the amount of interpretations. There's no end, there's no stop,

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there's no beginning.

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It's just chaos.

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And I think the more sermons you listen to, the

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more you start realizing this, the more you're like, wait

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a minute, this sermon says this, and this sermon says this,

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or if you start looking at commentaries, this commentary says this,

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this commentary says this, this commentary, this study.

635
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Bible says this, this study Bible says that. Why can't

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know now?

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Why is there very little agreement? You know why there's

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no little, very so very little agreement. It's because we

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don't even agree on what are the hermonutical rules that

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should be applied in any given time. And even if

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you have two people who say they agree on a

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specific hermeneutical method, they will violate that method whenever they want,

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because there's no one controlling anything.

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It's a free for all.

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00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.839
Now you can be in a church and then that

646
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church can say, well, we don't accept that interpretation, that

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interpretation or that interpretation, and the church.

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Can do that. The people in the pugue can just

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immediately say, well, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong,

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you're wrong. I'm going to go to another church.

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And that's why you have one church after another church

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after another church, and another church, and another church, and

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another group, and another group, and another group, and another

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group and another group and another group. Every Sunday, I'm

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holding up my Bible. The Bible is opened up, and

656
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.400
all the churches preach it, and most of their all

657
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:48.079
of their interpretations, and many cases are contradicting one another.

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And here we go, we have Second King six and

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now all of a sudden, it represents us falling into

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the basically the world, being submerged into the world world

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overwhelmed by it. But the stick is God raising us up,

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so our affections can now be put on things above.

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No, no, no.

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I just but I guarantee you just go look up

665
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:17.039
some other sermons on Second King sixth today, See how many.

666
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Agree with that?

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All right.

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I just had to address it because it was there.

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It's been addressed. Maybe today we'll move on to something.

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Much more.

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Hopefully we can move away from a lot of this, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully.

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All Right, we still got lots and lots of issues

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to deal with and with harmonutics, so we may do

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some more you know, hermoneutical concepts here at some point.

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We'll see.

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00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:46.400
I don't I don't even know if I'm gonna do

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anymore today, but I wanted to at least get this

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out of the way because it's one of the very

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first things I saw when I opened the sermon's two

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point oh app So there you have it. Enjoy, Thanks

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for listening.

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God bless