Oct. 17, 2024

Allegorical Bible Study

Allegorical Bible Study

A discussion about allegorical bible study

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A discussion about allegorical bible study

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. Here's an odd

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question or maybe questions. All right, so it may seem

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weird to ask this, but I'm going to ask this.

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When is an axe head not an axe head? And

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when is Israel not Israel? When is an axehead not

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an axehead? And when is Israel not Israel? Now you

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may be thinking, well, no, an ax said, is an

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axe head? Israel is Israel? When would they not be

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those things? Well, we're talking about Christianity, We're talking about

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Bible study, We're talking about hermeneutics. Where an axehead may

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not be an axe head, Israel may not be Israel,

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but Jesus is Jesus or who who knows. We're gonna

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figure it all out in just a minute, but for now,

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welcome everyone. It is Thursday, October seventeenth, twenty twenty four.

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It is currently two thirty two pm Central time, and

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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central

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studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. But maybe studio

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isn't studio Abilene isn't Abilene Theology Central really means underwater

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basket weaving central. Maybe maybe nothing is what it seems,

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maybe nothing means what it means. Maybe maybe everything is

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subjective and relativistic, and maybe nobody knows anything. Maybe. I

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think yesterday I described the Christian actually the way Christians

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actually study the Bible, the actual Christian hermeneutic. Read the

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Bible and say whatever you want to say, read the

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Bible and just make things up. That's the actual way

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Christians study the Bible. You just read the Bible and

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make things up, and it's perfectly Okay. I know that

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sounds very cynical, very jaded. Some may say that's a

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little hyperbolic. It's not really that way. People care about

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the text because the Bible is the word of God

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and we respect Okay, I know all the right words.

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But when it comes down to it, I think Christians

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just read the Bible, make things up, and you know

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it may offend you. But have you been listening to

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the sermon reviews we've been doing lately. Now, we did

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have one that was positive, but I mean, come on,

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sometimes even in our sermon reviews, I think we're all

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sitting there going what is happening right now? What is

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going on? Now? It all started. It all started when

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we found ourselves and Second Kings Chapter six, Second King's

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chapter six, where we read these words. Second King's chapter six,

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where we read these words, the sons of the prophets said,

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unto Elisha, behold now the place where we dwell with

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THEE is too straight for us. Let us go. We

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pray thee under Jordan, and take thence every man a beam,

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and let us make us a place where we may dwell.

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And he answered, go yee. And one said, be content,

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I pray thee and go with thy servants, And he answered,

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I will go. So he went with them. And when

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they came to Jordan, they cut down wood. But as

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one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into

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the water, and he cried and said, alas master, for

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it was borrowed an axe head. Now we reviewed a

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sermon about the axe head, and the sermon said, the

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axe head, Now, now this is very important. Listen to

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the kind of the little game that's being played. They

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would not deny that this is a historical narrative. They

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would not deny that it was a real axehead. But

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after acknowledging that it's a real axehead and it's a

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real historical narrative the entire In fact, they didn't even

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really acknowledge it in the sermon, but they would acknowledge it.

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I'm not going to question their their theology like that.

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They would acknowledge it. But almost instantaneously, all of a sudden,

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during the sermon, the axe head wasn't an axehead. The

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axhead represented our fellowship with God. The axhead represented our

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effectiveness and the work for God. The axehead represented our

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passion and our zeal. The axe head and it just

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started representing this and representing this, and it just started.

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It just continued and continued and continued and continued, and

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it became very frustrating. And when I started looking other

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things up about the axehead, I found we found in

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church history those say that it represents power. Then it

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represents effectiveness, it represents an issue with finances, a lot

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of different things. We went through all the different things

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and history, and I'm like, this is insane. Why can't

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the axe head just be an axhead? And then we

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draw some principles from losing an axe head that was

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borrowed and what took place. Maybe maybe we just try

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to place it in its context. Now we did hear

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a sermon at least some of it that did at

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least do that. So that's at least a positive thing

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that there was at least one sermon. But it seems

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much more common, much more frequent, to say the axe

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head represents this, and this represents this, and this represents this.

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Even the man crying out saying saying, as his exact words,

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a last master, for it was borrowed. The crying out

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we we we heard was actually that's that's confessing of sin,

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and that him the axe head falling off is because

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he was spiritually apathetic and complacent and bored with the

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work of God. Like just it was just crazy what

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we were hearing. And I was like this, this is crazy.

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But even before we got to the axe head, we've

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been talking about Christians and sin and how Christians understand sin,

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and we got into a whole discussion about so, so

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do we have a new heart? Knew this, what do

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we have what? And over and over and over we

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heard sermon after sermon after sermon that kept saying we

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have a new heart, we have a new heart, we

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have a new heart, and every single one of them

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quoted so we have second King's chapter six about the axhead.

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And then over and over and over we had everyone

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quoting Ezekiel chapter thirty six, where we read we where

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we read these words, we read them, and I'm going

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to read them right now, Ezequel thirty six, verse twenty six.

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I quote a new heart. Also, will I give you

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now if you read Ezekiel thirty six and all the

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verses that come before verse twenty six. I don't know

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how you can't how you would not be able to

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identify the you, the you is Israel. But I digress,

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and a new spirit will I put within you again?

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The you would be Israel. And I will take away

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the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will

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give you a heart of flesh again, the you would

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be Israel. And I will put my spirit within you

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and cause you to walk in my statues. And you

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shall keep my judgments and do them, and ye shall

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dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers.

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Once they get a new heart, once they get a

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new spirit, then they will dwell in the land. So

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you would think, well, who is it that's going to

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dwell in the land. That's not you and me, that's

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not Christians, that's the church. Unless now land isn't land,

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Israel isn't Israel. So once again we have a text

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where and just look at Ezekiel thirty six. You just

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start in verse one and count how many times Israel

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is used over and over and over before you get

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to twenty six. But somehow Israel isn't Israel. Go to

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Second Kings chapter six. An axe head isn't an axehead.

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So when is an axe head not an axe head?

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And when is Israel not Israel? And if I can,

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if I read my Bible, and I don't know when

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an axet is an axet, and I don't know when

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Israel is Israel, and I don't know when land is land,

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and I don't know when day is day, and I

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don't know when God is God, and I don't know

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when Jesus is Jesus, and I don't know when water

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is water, and I don't know when a storm is

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a storm. When it can just subjectively become whatever we

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want it to be, we just read our Bibles and

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make it up. If that's the hermeneutic, then ladies and gentlemen,

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there is no way to judge or criticize anyone's interpretation.

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All interpretations are a free for all, so just stop

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criticizing and just accept it. But no, no, no, no, no,

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no no, no, there's rules. Everyone will yell and scream

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that there are rules and there's right interpretation and wrong interpretation.

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Well the next thing, you know, this person is this,

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and this is this, and this represents this, and this

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is a picture of this, and everything just becomes very subjective.

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So why am I here right now?

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Right?

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Well, there was a part of me that was going

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to go and look at an interpretation I was taught

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in one of the schools, but I was having trouble

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finding it. But I was going to go there and

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talk about that. But I couldn't find all the information

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I needed. So then I was just like, man, this

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is frustrating. Do we just move on from Second King six?

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Do I just say we're done? Or do I do

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some more work? And I still need to do some

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work in Second Kings fifteen and well we still need

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to work on the six Secrets of the Christian life,

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and we need to get to secret number four. Okay

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about light, Okay, we need to all right, Oh what

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do I do? What do I do? What do I do.

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So while I was sitting here just getting frustrated. Well,

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it's you know what, It's twenty twenty four, right, this

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is the year of the Sermons two point zero app

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Sermon Challenge. So I opened up Sermon Audio, went to

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Newest Sermons and I saw something that said the allegorical Method,

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and I'm like, oh, oh yeah, this is about hermeneutics. Okay.

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So then once I saw that, I noticed that it

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was a part of a series, a series entitled how

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to Study the Bible. I'm like, oh, this is right

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up my alley. I love this. Here's a series on

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how to study the Bible. You know, I've taught the

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twelve Methods of Bible study countless times trying to get

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people to participate. So I'm like, this is good. So first,

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my goal here is to tell you about this series

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so that you'll go listen and download all the messages. Second,

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we're going to go to the message on the allegorical

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method and listen to a little bit, and I'm going

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to talk to you about how how is it, because

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this is really kind of maybe the thesis here. How

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is it that people who say they reject the allegorical

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method of biblical interpretation actually fall into it over and

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over and over again. The message we review the other day,

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where the axhead wasn't the axhead, and every it represented this.

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They would tell you they hate the allegorical method. They

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would tell you they're completely against it. Yet what in

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the world is happening? They would say, no, see, we're

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not using the allegorical method. We're just using the text

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and showing you what it pictures. But you can change

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the language what it pictures. But I'm still saying that

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it's literal. I know this because I went to a

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school Harold Camping, who would say that the Bible has

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different layers of meaning. You've got the historical, you've got

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the literal, but you've got the spiritual. Well, inevitably, his

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spiritualizing the text destroyed what it meant literally or historically.

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That became almost irrelevant. So a lot of people who

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say they're against the allegorical method, I think, in many

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cases are you are utilizing it. So we're going to

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listen to a little bit of this. But I want

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you to go find the series. It's called How to

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Study the Bible. The pastor is Ryan Combs. Combs, Ryan Combs.

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So far, the messages in this are two presuppositions. I

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must have to adequately study the Bible. The wrong approaches

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to the Bible. Tools for adequate Bible study. Tools for

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adequate Bible Study. Part two Aspects of Bible study, Schools

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of interpretation, the allegorical method, and the literal method. I

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want you to go listen to every single one of them.

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Download them all. That is how to study the Bible

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with Ryan Combes Combs, and go listen to it. I'm

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going directly to the allegorical method. Now. I don't know

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if he's pro allegorical method anti allegorical method. I have

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no idea because I haven't listened to any of it.

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But we'll start it and we'll just use it. And

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I want you to just hear the allegorical method being explained.

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Whether we may agree with his explanation or disagree with

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his explanation. He may be pro, he may be against.

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But what I want you to hear is when you

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hear some of how the allegorical method is explained. When

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when you go back and consider that crazy sermon we

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heard on the axe head, where the axe head is

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in an axe head and all the messages we heard

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about Ezekiel thirty six. This is you and me, we

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get a new heart. Well, wait a minute, when did

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I become Israel? And if I get a new heart,

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when do I go into the land that was sworn

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to my father's? Who are my fathers? What the land

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that was sworn to the fathers? That's Israel? So when

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did Israel not become Israel? When is land not Israel?

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destroy any meaningful meaning of the Bible, and that is

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a problem. So I want to hear how the allegorical

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method is explained. But the goal here is simply to

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ask yourself that question. When is an axe head not

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an axe head? When is Israel not Israel? When is

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land not land? All right? Because you just need to

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constantly ask yourself, because it has your Bible study, become

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read it and make it up. I mean, if you

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just read the Bible, make up whatever you want. Then,

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ladies and gentlemen, I don't even know how we can

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judge anything, all right, But if there's actual principles, so

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we're gonna listen to this. I want you to go

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download all of the messages. There are seven. Download all

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of them. How to Study the Bible by Ryan Combs.

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You can find it on the Sermon's two point oh

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app or the Sermon Audio website. Download them all. Of course,

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And we're gonna just utilize this to just kind of

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axe head and uh, I think it's very relevant to it.

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so it all fits together. I don't know how far

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we're gonna get into this. I don't know. I'm gonna

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So are you ready? I know that was fifteen minutes

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trying to put it all together, but are you ready?

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Here we go, Ryan Combs the allegorical method. I have

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no direct I have no idea which direction he's going

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to go. I may be sitting here ap plotting, going

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I agree, I agree, I agree, or I'm a going no.

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Within Christianity, we don't even agree on what method should

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be utilized in interpreting the scriptures. Whenever I say Christians

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don't agree on anything, everyone gets ticked off at me

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and says, that's not true. We literally don't agree on

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how to interpret the Bible. So if we can't agree

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on how to interpret it, then how in the world

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are we ever going to agree on what it Means's

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that makes me just want to say, forget it. I'm

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going to the liquor store.

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And of course we've been dealing with how to study

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the Bible, something that's very important. Should be very important

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each and every one of us. There should be no

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book on earth more important to you than God's Word.

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There should be nothing, no possession of yours that you

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treasure more than a copy of God's Word that you

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have possession of. There are many people around this world

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that do not have a copy of the Bible. As

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we were up at the Beacon of Truth rally, they

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were talking about the many millions of people who do

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not have a copy of the Word of God. And

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I was thinking while I was sitting there, of just

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how many Bibles I own.

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I've got bibles over at the house.

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I've got some in the bedroom, I've got some out

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in the out in the living room. I've got multiple

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bibles there in my office. We've got plenty of Bibles

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out here. And yes, we have Bibles that we give

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out and all of those things. But many times we

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take for granted the book that we have. And you

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may say, well, I read my Bible. I don't take

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it for granted. Well do we do what tewod Timothy

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chapter two fifteen says when it says study to show

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thyself approved unto God? Do we do that? Because if

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we do not do that, we're taking for granted the

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word of God. I want us to go to the

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Lord and prayer and then we'll get into the message

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here this evening.

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That's a good challenge. Do we take it for granted?

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I agree with him. I got bibles everywhere, ladies and gentlemen. Okay,

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just right here, right here in front of this microphone,

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are you ready for this? Okay, right directly in front

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behind this microphone, all right, I'm in front of it,

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so behind it there's a Bible. Right underneath it, there's

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a Bible. So there's two just right here on this table.

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bibles right here to my right, right here to my right,

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reach down. I can just reach down and touch one,

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like I'm just gonna reach down. I don't know if

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you can hear that there's one. That's how close one

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two right here. Nine bibles. They're everywhere. I've got them,

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and I've got a right here on my iPad. They're

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every Do we take the word of God for granted?

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I say that. One of the reasons we've done the challenge,

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the sermon's two point oh app sermon challenge is I

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think we take it for granted. You can just open

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your device, tap on the sermon's two point oh app

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and you have access to millions of sermons for free,

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with about six to eight thousand sermons being added every

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single week. Six to eight thousand being added every single week.

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mind around that. You can't you can't even come close.

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They're all there. And do you take it for granted?

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I take it for granted? Right, don't we take it

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for granted? And again, sometimes the more that's available to us,

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the less it means to us. Do you remember back

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in the olden days when if you wanted music, you

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got in your car, you went to a record store,

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you looked around, you found it, you purchased it, you

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got back in your car, drove home, opened it up.

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because it took an effort to actually go get it.

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video and to drive home, and then you'd have to

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rewind it and drive it back. Well, that it meant

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something to go get that movie. Right now, everything is

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just a million things available to you. Music on you

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can have basically access to everything that's ever been made

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on any music streaming service. You've got video streaming services,

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and you just take it for granted. It doesn't have

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the same meaning. You just kind of you just kind

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of view it as ah, whatever, Yeah it's something I

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want to watch. Where we lose the we lose the

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excitement that Oh I remember going to the video store.

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a movie. Go into a movie doesn't even mean anything

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to the younger generation. It's irrelevant. Sometimes the more that's

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available to us, the less it means to us. Well,

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we've got so many Bibles. I don't know if we

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really if it matters to us. So that's a good challenge.

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I'm convicted. Look, I get convicted not just about spiritual things.

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I get convicted when I take all of the things

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I have available to me on streaming services for granted.

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I'm like, I want these albums on these streaming services

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to mean something to me. I want these playlists to

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mean something to me. I want all of those movies

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available to me. And there's no way I can truly

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ever give it the meaning that I had when I

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had less. The less you have, the more everything means.

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just no way to combat that. But spiritually, we should

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not take for granted that we have basically access to

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the entire history of Christiandom available to us on a

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mobile device. But do we know more? I mean, you

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think Christians today, just think about it. The average Christian

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today should be the most sophisticated in their thiological and

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biblical knowledge today than at any time in the entire

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history of Christianity. You know what's bizarre. If you take

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Calvin's Institutes, the Institutes of the Christian Religion by John

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Calvin that was written for new believers. You give the

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Institutes by John Calvin to a new believer today, they

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won't even They'll look at you like you're out of

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your mind? Why hacked? Shouldn't we be more knowledgeable, more sophisticated,

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more hermeneutically equipped than at any time in the history

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of Christiandom? And the resounding answer should be yes. But

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it's something's wrong. The more knowledge available, the less knowledgeable

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we become. You know why, because the more other things

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are available as well, which are is more entertaining than knowledge. Okay, look,

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I understand that.

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Look, I'm right there with you, right, So let's see

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where he goes with I mean, I know where. That

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wasn't his thesis of this message, but it was convicting

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to me.

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And may the Lord help us to see how blessed

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we are to have a copy of the Word of God. Amen,

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let's pray do your having a father. We come before

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you this evening. We thank you, Lord for who you

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are and all that you're doing. Lord, I pray that

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you would help each one of us to see how

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blessed we are to own a copy of your word.

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Lord.

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We're just so thankful Lord for the many generations Lord

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that you have preserved your word through. We know it's

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because Lord, as your word says forever. O Lord, my

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word is settled in Heaven and the Lord, we know

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that we have your word. I pray to God that

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we would study Lord as we go through this school

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of interpretation tonight, as we discuss this, I pray to

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Your God that you would help us to see the

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not all aspects of this are wrong. But Lord, if

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this is the only way that we study, Lord, that

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that's wrong. Would I pray that you would help us

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to see that tonight and give us clarity as we

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leave this place in Lord, just to be able to

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study your word even better than we have even coming

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into this place.

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We ask all these things in Jesus' holy name. Amen.

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Notice here in this verse we see the Bible starts

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out in second chapter two and verse fifteen.

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The word is study.

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Of course we've discussed that word there, and of course

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how it means. It's talking about travailing in study. It's

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talking about work.

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It's not.

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It doesn't say read to show thyself approved. I can

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look at a at a verse, and I can see

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a verse like this, it says study to show thyself

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approved in the God, or work with it needed not

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to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. I

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could read that verse and move on and read verse

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after verse after verse after verse, and I could read

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the whole entire Bible over and over and over again.

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But if I never apply anything does mean no good.

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If I never see that this is not just words

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on a page, but it's the inspired, preserved word of

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God that's been translated for English speaking people so that

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I myself can study to show myself approved under God.

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If I don't see that, individually speaking, I failed at

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the task that God's given me study.

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idea that not everything about the allegorical method is wrong.

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So this could get very subjective. It seems like he's indicating, well,

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there's some good aspects of the allegorical method. Oh boy, okay,

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so that's already got me a little nervous. I do

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agree with him. I've been trying to make this point

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my whole Christian life is we're supposed to be studying

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the Bible. How do you get Christians to actually engage

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in study? I don't know what you have to do.

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I really don't know. I've never been able to figure

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it out right. I think a lot of people just

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want to come to church and that's it. I do

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how do you get Christians to actually engage in study?

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try to engage in meaningful study from the pulpit, you

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actually drive people away from the church. I know Christians

466
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are going to say, no, I want to place that studies,

467
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But if you really study, you start questioning and you

468
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start challenging, and you start going, well what about this?

469
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And wait, that doesn't make sense, and what about this?

470
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And what about this? And people don't want to hear

471
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what about this? And what about this? They just want

472
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to hear this is what it means, simple, easy, and

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don't confuse me. And so, but to get people to

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actually study is difficult. I agree, it's work. We're supposed

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to be agonizing in a sense, putting forth great effort

476
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into the tech. The more effort you put into the text,

477
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sometimes the more you're like, I don't know what this means,

478
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and I don't know, and why does everyone say that

479
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it means this when it doesn't, Like why does everyone

480
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say an axe head? It's not an axhead? And Israel

481
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isn't Israel. Well, then immediately you find yourself in conflict

482
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with a team of Christianity and you can't tick off

483
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any team or you get in trouble. Well, I think

484
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.079
good Bible study actually puts you on conflict with most

485
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.160
Christians because you're actually studying and questioning and challenging and

486
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trying to figure it out. And guess what, the more

487
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.519
you study, you realize it doesn't all fit nicely into

488
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your little system, and then you take people off. But

489
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do we really want to study?

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Many times we'll study, and we'll study for tests and

491
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those types of things. And many times we're studying for

492
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a test because we always say.

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We want to get a good grade.

494
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But you know what happens when we don't get a

495
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good grade on something. We don't want anyone to know

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about it. Why because we take it personally that we

497
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got a bad grade. We're studying, and yes, we want

498
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to get a good grade. But we'd all love to say,

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you know, I studied for that test, and tell our

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family and our friends, I got one hundred percent on

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the test that I studied for. We'd all like to

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say that we're not told in this verse, though, to

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study to show thyself approved. In the man, it says

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here studies to show thyself approved unto God. Notice here

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a workman that need is not to be ashamed. And

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I want us to see this last phrase rightly dividing

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the word of truth.

508
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Now, I love this because I don't know where he's going.

509
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I don't know what he's going to do with the

510
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allegorical method. I know he's going to go through the

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allegorical method in about twenty five minutes, which is kind

512
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of frightening. How you can go through the allegorical method

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in twenty five minutes. I mean, I just if I

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just go through my notes here, I have my notes

515
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here have the history of the allegorical movement. Right, are

516
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the allegorical method going all the way to the early

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Jewish interpretation, which would be was it Philo of Alexandria,

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I believe around twenty b seed of fifty a D.

519
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I believe Filo is how you say his name, Felo Philo.

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And then uh, we have the early Christian Church right

521
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origin between what one, five, two something, it's numbers AD.

522
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Then I have the Middle Ages Augustin right, and we've

523
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talked his book on Christian doctrine. Remember I've I led

524
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my church through some hermeneutical principles taken from Augustine, and

525
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they were somewhat people were somewhat surprised. And remember Augustine

526
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some of his own hermoneutical principles he didn't follow.

527
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Right.

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And then we have the Reformation period Luther Calvin, and

529
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then we have modern times. So I have I have

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it broken down into five time periods. So I don't know,

531
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I don't know how he's going to I don't know

532
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how he's going to this. I mean twenty minutes to

533
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get through this. It's gonna be, it's gonna be really

534
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it's gonna be really quick. But I love the fact

535
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that he's going rightly divide, rightly divide. And the reason

536
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I love this now, I don't know which direction he's

537
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going to go, so just to me, I just find

538
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it hilarious because you'll have obviously people who are very dispensational,

539
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maybe hold to a very literal method, not then allegorical men,

540
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very literal maybe historical grammatical type method, and they will

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be like, rightly divide the Word of truth. And then

542
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you'll have someone who'll be maybe more an allegorical approach,

543
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and they'll be like, rightly divide the Word of truth.

544
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Everyone quotes that verse on rightly divide, and all think

545
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that they are the ones who rightly divide everyone. Look,

546
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you think you rightly divided? I think I rightly divide it.

547
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Presbyterians think they rightly divide it. Lutherans think they rightly

548
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divide it. Church of Christ think they rightly divide it.

549
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.880
Charismatic think they rightly divide it. Baptistinct, they rightly divide

550
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:08.960
it all millennial, pre millennial Calvinists, non Calvinist. Everyone thinks

551
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they rightly divide it. Everyone does. You don't have anyone going, well,

552
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.000
we don't rightly divide it. Come to our church. You know,

553
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everyone thinks we do. They don't, but not everyone can

554
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be rightly dividing. If no one can agree on literally anything,

555
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I just find it fun rightly divide. You're absolutely right

556
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we should rightly divide. And let me guess you rightly divide,

557
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and everyone who disagrees with you doesn't got it. I

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love how Christianity works. I rightly divide, and if you

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agree with me, you rightly divide. But if you disagree

560
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with me, you don't rightly divide, because they know the

561
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way you know you rightly divide is you agree with me.

562
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It's just I don't even know what that means. All right,

563
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here we go.

564
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There are many people that divide the world of truth,

565
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but they don't do it rightly. There's an awful lot

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of people that will try to convince you that the

567
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Bible says one thing, but they.

568
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Don't put it into the context of scripture.

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Lord also another thing. Everyone says context, context content. Presbyterians

570
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will say context context context. Baptists will say context context cont.

571
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You get a discussion about baptism, context cont. You get

572
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into discussion about Israel is God made promises to Israel

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all millennialism, dispensational context context. Everyone says rightly divide, everyone

574
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says context, Everyone says scripture, interpret scripture. Everyone says all

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the same things, but nobody comes to the same conclusions.

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But guess what they all think that they rightly divide,

577
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that they look at the context and you just look.

578
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I know, whenever I say this it makes Christians uncomfortable,

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but you just got to be willing to acknowledge that.

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Right I can say something, you'll be like, you're not

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rightly divided. You're not looking at the context. You're not

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looking at this. You're not looking at this. And I

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00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.359
can be turning around back and you're not looking at

584
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the context, and you're not looking at this, and you're

585
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.200
not looking at this. You're wrong. No, you're wrong. No,

586
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I'm right, No, you're right.

587
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No.

588
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Yeah, what help us.

589
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As we look over this, uh, this message tonight or

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this lesson, whatever.

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You want to call it. I want us to see.

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This this allegorical school and all go into more detail

593
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on that. We discussed a little bit about that last

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time when we were in this study. I want to

595
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.599
go a little bit deeper into that tonight. But the

596
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reality is this, if if we if we read the Bible,

597
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we're going to find there are some allegories. There are

598
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.079
some things that are that are pictures that that the

599
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:51.599
Lord draws for us. We'll mention parables and those types

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00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.039
of things in just a little while. Uh, there are

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things there are, there are allegories in the scripture, and

602
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and it's fine to to study the Bible and know

603
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.680
when the allegories are there, But if you study the

604
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:08.039
whole book is just something that's mystical, you're going to

605
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.320
miss the plain truths that are right.

606
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In front of you.

607
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Now, the thing is, when you say there's allegory in

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the Bible, it has to be clearly identified as an allegory.

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But if you turn it into an allegory, then it's not.

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For example, second King's Chapter six, do you turn the

611
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axe head into an allegory of the axe? Hed now

612
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.039
represents this? And this represents this, and this represents this.

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Do you go to stories in the in the Gospels

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where Jesus is in a boat and a storm happens

615
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and he's asleep, and the next thing, you know, Jesus,

616
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.280
the boat is us. It's our lives, and we find

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00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.559
ourselves in the storm. And storm represents trials and troubles

618
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and tribulations. But Jesus is in the boat, and if

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we'll just turn to Jesus, he'll calm the storms of

620
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our life. What in the name of bubblegum is that's

621
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the cocoa for cocoa puffs? You're just making stuff up?

622
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.920
Is a story there that my life is a boat

623
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on the ocean and their storms and I'll just wake

624
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.719
if I'll just turn to Jesus and prayer, I'll just say,

625
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peace be still, and all the problems in my life

626
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.159
will be still. Is that the point of that story?

627
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Or is it the point of the story the one

628
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.519
sleeping in their boat happened to be the creator of

629
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all things and therefore he has control over nature. Was

630
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.719
it more about demonstrating the deity of Christ than trying

631
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to turn it into some kind of you know, bedtime

632
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.280
story that all your problems go away because Jesus is

633
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:39.159
in your boat. Like what what is that. But pastors

634
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:41.639
do that stuff all the time. Now, if the story

635
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:46.039
is an allegory, then okay, but it's if it's a

636
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.719
historical narrative and you flip it into an allegory, or

637
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.719
you say this represents this, and this represents this, that's see,

638
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.519
that's the problem. So I agree, we can say there's

639
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allegory in the Bible, but it has to be clearly

640
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identified as an allegory. Right, Well, how do you identify it?

641
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.079
If I was to tell you to take your Bible,

642
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just start going through it right now, and you find

643
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.039
the passages that are allegorical, what would you be what

644
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.039
would be your proof that it's allegorical? How would you

645
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.519
be identifying that? Now, in some books, we know it's

646
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:21.920
poetical because we know it's a it's using that genre

647
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.679
of literature. We know it's this we know and now

648
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:29.360
once we can identify the literary genre, then yes, it's

649
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.239
very easy to go, well, this is poetry. So now

650
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:35.000
we have to bring in how we interpret poetry because

651
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.679
we were those are rules for that. Oh, this is

652
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.760
a historical narrative. There's rules for that. Okay, So but

653
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.960
how do you just go through and go if it's

654
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.000
a historical narrative. And then all of a sudden you're like,

655
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this is an allegory. According to what how are you

656
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:50.800
proving that it's an allegory. I don't know if he's

657
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.880
going to give some examples. I would love to see that.

658
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Maybe maybe we'll do a message and all the passages

659
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in the Bible that that are that are most likely

660
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:03.519
to identified as allegory, and then why are we what

661
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.079
are the rules to identify that? Look, we need to

662
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.360
make that a priority. We'll we'll try to do that soon.

663
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.519
You know, the Bible heard this saying it's not original

664
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.320
with me, but it goes like this, The Bible is

665
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:20.159
not a scientific book, but when it talks about science,

666
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:25.119
it's one hundred percent accurate. The Bible is not as

667
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:30.559
a whole a historical book, but when it speaks of history,

668
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.920
it's one hundred percent accurate. The Bible is not one

669
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hundred percent a geographical book.

670
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But I don't care what man says if they.

671
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Say, well, well, the Bible speaks of that, and there's

672
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:43.800
no evidence of that. There, No, the Bible is one

673
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hundred percent true. Man just hasn't dug far enough to

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find that the Bible really is true in those things.

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I love seeing those the scientists that come out with

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something and and they they're they're in an area and

677
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:57.760
they're digging, and they they uncover something and they they

678
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.920
have to admit, wait a second, this may.

679
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Be what we said was not true in the Bible.

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I love that, you know.

681
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.639
I want to say, take that scientist, amen, That's what

682
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I want to say. The reality is the Bible is

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true in everything that it says, and God wants us

684
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to study to show ourselves have proved. And Neemiah chapter eight,

685
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:26.000
his brother England read and preached on Sunday evening. We

686
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saw that Ezra stood up and he taught the word

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of God. He did not teach his opinions. He did

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00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.039
not teach what the government said. He didn't teach what

689
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.000
the elites had paid him to say. But he read

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and taught the word of God. That's what he read

691
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and taught. Throughout the Old Testament, you find that the priests,

692
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.239
the prophets, the preachers in different ways. They were told

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to teach people the word of God. But they were

694
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told to teach them this, teach them how to choose

695
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between the holy and the profane.

696
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How is that?

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How can you teach somebody how to choose between something

698
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.480
that's holy and something that's profane by teaching the word

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00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.360
of God as we're told to the whole counsel of God,

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not leaving anything out. There's an awful lot of things

701
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that I could make the Bible say if I wanted

702
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to leave out other scriptures. The reality is we're told

703
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to teach the whole counsel of God, the clear word

704
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.239
of God. Last time we were in this study, we

705
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.320
saw that in order to study the Bible correctly, we

706
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.199
must seek the ordinary meaning of the language. We must

707
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.480
identify the literary style of the language, and then also

708
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:38.639
we must seek the single interpretation that was intended by

709
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:39.079
the writer.

710
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:46.079
Okay, that's all good stuff, right, the single meaning, the

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00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.480
literary genre. Okay, this is all. These are all good principles.

712
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.400
I'm just getting a little nervous because he's down to

713
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.840
about twenty minutes. Maybe that because typically at the end

714
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:00.199
you're going to summarize what you've said. We're about got

715
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.079
about twenty minutes. I don't know how he's going to

716
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:05.039
get through the entire allegorical method, and maybe twenty minutes.

717
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.079
It's I don't know. I'm going to be very interested

718
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.679
to see how he's going to cover this, Like I

719
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:12.840
don't know if I could cover the allegorical method in

720
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.079
five hours. But so I'm maybe he's just going to

721
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.440
give us the key principles, which could be very beneficial.

722
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.440
Let's just see. I'm I'm just curious now now this

723
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.480
is more. I'm just like, how are you going to

724
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:25.000
do this.

725
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:27.719
With that?

726
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.599
We discussed a little bit about the allegorical method, and

727
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.119
we're going to dig into that here a little bit more,

728
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.079
and and Lord willing next week get into the literal

729
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.119
method of study. But I want us to notice first

730
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of all tonight, I want us to notice this the

731
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:50.480
disguise of the allegorical method, the disguise of the allegorical method.

732
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.239
Oh, this could get good. The disguise of the allegorical method,

733
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:58.159
the disguise. And I think that's kind of what I'm referencing,

734
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.199
as you have churches who say we believe in the

735
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literal method, but all of a sudden, an Acteat is

736
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not an axe head, and all of a sudden, Israel

737
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:08.840
is not Israel. Well, I thought you said you you

738
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.400
hold to the literal meth what we do. But this

739
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:14.719
is not literal. So are you Are you using the

740
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.159
allegorical but you're disguising it? Is that what he's about

741
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.599
to say, the disguise of the allegorical method. I like that.

742
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:25.280
I like that phraseology, the disguise of the allegorical method.

743
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:30.880
Is the allegorical method being disguised in your church? And

744
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.199
if it's being disguised, are you being deceived? I don't know.

745
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.119
Let's see. Let's see how he's going to handle that.

746
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:40.079
So this he's got my attention? Does he have yours?

747
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:40.360
All? Right?

748
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:40.840
Here we go.

749
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The allegorical method can be described in this one statement.

750
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.039
And when I when I mentioned the allegorical method, when

751
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.280
I when I talk about that as a whole, and uh,

752
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.639
when I when I'm mentioning things about that that are

753
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:59.039
negative in context, what I'm saying is this, I'm saying,

754
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if you study the whole Bible allegorically, you're going to

755
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.280
find yourself in a mess. You're going to find yourself

756
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.239
on all sorts of false doctrines and all of those things.

757
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.760
So when I say things negative, I am in no

758
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way implying that there are no.

759
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.360
Allegories in the Word of God. That's not what I'm implying.

760
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.920
But when we talk about the allegorical method as a whole,

761
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when it's applied to scripture in every single part, and

762
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.239
the ones that believe it that way, here's what they say,

763
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:33.280
Beneath the letter the word or the obvious meaning.

764
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:35.480
Is the real meaning.

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00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:41.000
So somewhere beneath all of that, beneath the word that

766
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.559
says for all.

767
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.199
Have sin to come sure of the glory of God.

768
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:48.760
Well, beneath the word all, there's got to be something

769
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:49.440
else there.

770
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:54.960
No, wait a minute, I'm not a fan of that.

771
00:42:56.360 --> 00:43:01.440
Anyone who has a discussion about the word all, it's

772
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.159
not because they're saying there's a deeper meaning behind all.

773
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.119
It would be an argument about how is all utilized?

774
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:11.599
Does all always mean every single person? Does all mean

775
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.639
every type of person? Because all can be used in

776
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.760
various ways. So then what you would do is use, Hey,

777
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.519
here's the word all. Here's the Greek word. The Greek

778
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.760
word all shows up in this verse and this verse

779
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.639
and this verse and this verse, and clearly all has

780
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:27.719
some kind of limit that that's not about. That's not

781
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.039
the allegorical method. Ladies and gentlemen having a difference of

782
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.000
an opinion about how the word all is being utilized

783
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.719
is not the allegorical method. People who have an argument

784
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:41.480
about all is not using the allergory. That's not that's

785
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.239
not even accurate. That's not even an accurate understanding of

786
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:48.960
the allegorical method. The allegorical method of Biblical interpretation as

787
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.159
a way of understanding scripture by looking for deeper symbolic

788
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.360
meanings behind the literal or historical sense of the text.

789
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.320
In this method, various elements of the Biblical stories, such

790
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:04.280
as character, events, or places, are seen as representing biblical

791
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.840
spiritual truths or theological concepts often connected to Christ or

792
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.039
the Church, or aspects of the Christian life. This approach

793
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.960
suggests that many passages in the Bible, especially in the

794
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Old Testament, contain hidden spiritual lessons, are typological or typological

795
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.159
meanings that go beyond their straightforward narrative or doctrinal content.

796
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.559
The goal is to uncover these deeper meanings, which are

797
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.239
believed to convey the timeless truths about God's salvation or

798
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.480
the Christian life. Here's some examples. The Garden of Eden

799
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.719
symbolizes the human soul and its relationship with God. Moses

800
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.360
leading the Israelites out of Egypt and allegory for Christ's

801
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.360
leading humanity out of sin. The Promised Land is a

802
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:49.239
symbol of heaven or the final state of the redeemed.

803
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.199
So this represents this, and this represents this. Pastors do

804
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.039
this all the time. That is how the allegorical method,

805
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.920
I believe, is disguised. Not because you have a disagree

806
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.840
about all. And someone in the in the congregation there

807
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.639
was like, oh, yeah, that seems like maybe they are

808
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.840
not a fan of Calvinism or the idea of particular

809
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.679
redemption or limited atonement, and so they were like, the

810
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:15.199
word all always means all, But then you have verses

811
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.079
where all would meaning every single person on earth would

812
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:27.400
have some major problems. Right, So so look, I understand

813
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.079
that can be complicated. I understand that can be difficult,

814
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.280
But this is not about the allegorical method. It means

815
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.400
here's a word. How is this word being used? Well?

816
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.639
Does the word have a variety of meanings as used

817
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:39.440
in the Bible. Yes, So you look it up. Here's

818
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.679
the Greek word. The Greek word has used thirty two times.

819
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.880
It's used this, It's translated this way. Look at all

820
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.519
the different ways it's translated Okay, oh wait, look at

821
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.280
how that it's used in this case, in this case,

822
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.960
in this case, hmm, what do we do with that?

823
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.599
Now there may be strong disagreements in what we do

824
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.840
with that, But that's not the allegorical method. It means

825
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.079
words can be used many different ways and have many

826
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:04.159
different shades of meaning depending on how it's being used.

827
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:08.639
Sometimes the basic definition of a word is greatly determined

828
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.599
by the context in which it is found. That's that's

829
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:16.079
just dealing with definitions and the meaning of words. That's

830
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.880
not the allegorical method. The allegorical method would be like, hey,

831
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:23.840
this says land, but underneath it it's a deeper meaning

832
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.360
that doesn't actually mean land, that actually means this. Or hey,

833
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.719
it's talking about a storm. Well, underneath the actual storm,

834
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.719
it means trials and troubles in life. See, that's what

835
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.559
we're talking about when I'm talking about Well, this word

836
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:40.559
could mean this, this word can mean this, this word

837
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:47.079
can mean no. That's that's not a oh boy, All right,

838
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:49.400
here we go. Let's let's hope, let's hope this gets

839
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:49.960
a little better.

840
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.639
All means all, and that's all all means amen.

841
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:58.639
There's nothing else there for all have sandy come sure

842
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:00.800
the glory of God. The Bible says, wersoever shall call

843
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:02.880
upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

844
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:03.239
Who's that?

845
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:07.199
Whosoever? It's for all have sin? Everyone that's sin. They've

846
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.159
they they have They've been born into this world. They're

847
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.920
born into sin, and they haven't trusted Priss their personal savior.

848
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.800
But every single one of them can. Why because God's

849
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.639
words says that they can. I don't care what the

850
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:20.719
Calvinists say. I don't care what these other groups say.

851
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.519
Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord says, Lord,

852
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:28.079
I'm a sinner. I can't. I cannot work my way

853
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.039
to heaven. I know that I'm on my way to hell. Lord,

854
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.480
I know that you've paid for my sins. Lord, forgive

855
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:35.920
me and take me to heaven. Not one person will

856
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:37.440
the Lord say you've done too much.

857
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:41.760
Now. This is turning into I know, is an issue

858
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:46.119
against Calvinism. I know is an issue against Calvinism. Oh

859
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:49.440
man alive. This has nothing to do with the allegorical method. Okay,

860
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.159
The term all in the Bible does not always mean

861
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:56.000
every single person universally. Its meaning can vary depending on

862
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:59.719
the context with which it is used. In some instances,

863
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.519
all can refer to a specific group of people, while

864
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.760
in other cases it might imply a broader, more universal scope.

865
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:10.320
For example, and some passages, all refers to a subset

866
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.320
of people rather than every individual in the world. For instance,

867
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.400
in Romans eleven twenty six, it says all Israel will

868
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:19.320
be saved. This doesn't necessarily mean that every single ethnic

869
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.559
Israelite will be saved. The term all here is often

870
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.159
interpreted to refer to the collective body of true believers

871
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.440
from Israel or the remnant chosen by God. Now we

872
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:31.119
could get into a major discussion and argument over that, Right,

873
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.559
all Israel. Does it mean all Israel? Does it mean

874
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:35.880
the nation of Israel? Does it mean Israel of all time?

875
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.800
Does it mean a specific group of Israel living at

876
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:43.079
a specific time? Right, There's all kinds of we could have.

877
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.039
That discussion has nothing to do with the allegorical method.

878
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.480
In some cases, all can be used for rhetorical effect

879
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.760
or hyperbole, not meant to be taken as an absolute.

880
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.599
For example, in Mark one to five, it says that

881
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.639
all the country of Judea and all Jerusalem was going

882
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.880
out to him. Clearly not every single individual was going

883
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.440
out to be baptized by John, but the phrase emphasized

884
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.320
the widespread nature of his influence, so it can be

885
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.639
used in different ways and other passages. All can genuinely

886
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:18.039
mean every single person. Sometimes all refers to all types

887
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:21.679
of kinds of people rather than every individual One. Timothy

888
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.639
four says that God desires all people to be saved

889
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:26.280
and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Many

890
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:29.320
interpreters understand this is referring to all categories of people

891
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:34.559
jew and gentile, rich and poor, not necessarily every single

892
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:39.039
person without exception. The original languages of the Bible, Hebrew, Aramaic,

893
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.119
and Greek, can also influence how we understand all. In Greek,

894
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:46.559
for example, the Greek word translated as all can mean

895
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:50.360
all kinds of every kind in a certain context. Therefore,

896
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.519
the meaning of all in the Bible depends on literary, historical,

897
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.880
and philological context. It can sometimes mean every single person,

898
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.639
but not always, and careful interpretation is necessary to discern

899
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.599
the intended meaning in each case. So here we have

900
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:06.440
a message and how to study the Bible, which is

901
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:10.559
literally leading you to a misunderstanding of different opinions about

902
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.800
a word difference opinions about a word.

903
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:13.360
It is not.

904
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.320
The allegorical method has nothing to do with the allegorical method.

905
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:21.400
Calvinists don't use the allegorical method to become Calvinist. That

906
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:26.960
is a complete misrepresentation. And I'm not even defending Calvinism here.

907
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:30.760
Just if you're gonna do, if you're gonna have a

908
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.440
message about the allegorical method, teach what the allegorical method is.

909
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.719
Don't make up what the allegorical method is. Hey, well,

910
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.000
all they think there's a hidden meaning behind all. It's not.

911
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.440
They think there's a hidden meaning behind the word all.

912
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:49.639
They just know literary from a from a linguistic approach

913
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:54.119
of understanding. It can have varied meanings depending on context,

914
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:57.400
that can be used in various different ways. That's that's

915
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:04.599
not allegorical. That's a that's called the a literal historical

916
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:10.039
grammatical approach. The grammar matters. The words mean something, words

917
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.480
have context, Words have different levels and shades of meaning

918
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:19.280
depending on how they're being utilized. For crying out loud,

919
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.239
it's not the allegorical method has nothing to do with

920
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.920
the allegorical method. Now, if you want to say the

921
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:29.920
allegorical method has been a tree isn't a tree, Water

922
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.280
isn't water water, an ocean isn't an ocean, and ocean

923
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.199
actually is a picture of hell. This storm isn't a storm,

924
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.719
it's trials and tribulation. Now we're getting in more to

925
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.800
the allegorical method.

926
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:43.400
Not one person.

927
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.159
I've talked to some Calvinists before, and this not too

928
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:51.039
long ago. I was talking to a gentleman that told

929
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:54.440
me that he was a Calvinist and told him I said, well,

930
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.360
we differ there, and he said, well, how can you

931
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:01.280
prove that anyone can get saved? I said, well, the

932
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.280
Bible says whosoever shall call upon the name of the

933
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:04.159
Lord shall be saved.

934
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:05.039
And here's what he told me.

935
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.199
He said, well, what that means is whosoever of the

936
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.599
elect I said, well, why doesn't it say that, I said,

937
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.519
you put of the elect you added to the Word

938
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.599
of God, which there's also something in the back of

939
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:20.840
this book that talks about adding to and taking away

940
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:21.599
from the Word of God.

941
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.800
Amen. He didn't have a argument for me. He couldn't

942
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:27.239
prove his point.

943
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:29.719
But the reality is this, when you start digging and

944
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.280
you start looking for something that's not there, and understand,

945
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:34.920
I am all for Bible study.

946
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.599
I love word studies and those sorts of things.

947
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.079
But when you start looking for something and you're trying

948
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:42.760
to make the Bible save something that it doesn't say,

949
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.079
you are on your way to destruction.

950
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:46.920
That's where you're going.

951
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:53.039
I got no problem saying that. If you are adding

952
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:54.599
to the Word of God, that's a problem. You make

953
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:57.599
it say something that doesn't say, that's a problem. But

954
00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:59.880
I also know if you tell me the allegorical method

955
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.119
is what you're claiming, it's not the allegorical method, Okay,

956
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.199
it has nothing to do with the allegory myth. We're

957
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.719
arguing about the meaning of words and what does it

958
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:14.320
mean whosoever believeth. Now, every Calvinist would say, of course,

959
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:18.280
whosoever believeth will be saved, because Calvinists believe that you

960
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.480
have to believe in order to be saved. The issue

961
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:24.599
is who will be of the whosoever how do you

962
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.159
become one of the whosoevers that believe anyone who believes

963
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.800
will be saved. All Calvinists would be saying, amen to that.

964
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.960
I'm not even defending Calvinism. I hate when I have

965
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.039
to defend a system of belief, not because I believe

966
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.519
it or reject it. It's simply because I don't like

967
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:46.920
something being misrepresented. All Calvinists would be You're absolutely right,

968
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:51.440
whosoever believed will be saved. Now the issue is why

969
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.440
do we believe? Do we believe because we just do

970
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:55.519
on our own? Or is faith a gift given to

971
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:58.280
us by God? Now we're getting into deeper issues. And

972
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:02.000
can a man freely believe? Who's a depraved center? Well,

973
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.079
then now we get to an argument about augustinian An

974
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.400
understanding of depravity versus a Pallagian view. Now we're getting

975
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:11.480
into deep theological issues. That this has nothing to do

976
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.280
with the allegorical method. Now we're getting into if you

977
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:17.719
want to talk about Calvinism, talk about Calvinism. But the

978
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:21.239
issue is not the allegorical method. How do I know

979
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.519
that because I hate the allegorical method and I would

980
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.920
be classified a Calvinists has nothing to do with the

981
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.280
allegorical method. And I've known plenty of other Calvinists who

982
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.480
would have nothing to do with the allegorical method. So

983
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:41.280
that isn't It's just, oh, what in the name of bubblegum?

984
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.199
The worst place you can go to figure out what

985
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:47.159
the Bible says, is the internet the worst place.

986
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:50.880
They also say that.

987
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.559
Wait, the worst place you can go to figure out

988
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.239
what the Bible says is the internet. So where's the

989
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:05.360
right place? Oh, let me guess the church? Is the

990
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.639
church the only ones that have the authority to interpret

991
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:13.159
the Bible. You can't go to the internet, do I

992
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:15.960
only go to the church. This is sounding very magisterial

993
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:20.920
authority Catholic kind of thing, right. I wait, your sermons

994
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.559
on the internet, so I can't listen to you. I

995
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:26.440
can't listen to him tell me how to interpret the

996
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.039
Bible because the worst place to go is the internet.

997
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:35.280
You literally put your sermons on the internet, so I

998
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:38.519
shouldn't listen to any of your preaching. You put the

999
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:40.599
sermons on the Internet and then tell people the worst

1000
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:42.800
place to go to hear what the Bible means is

1001
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:47.480
the internet. Then why are's your sermons on the internet?

1002
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:53.000
That makes no sense? Hey, the worst place to learn

1003
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:55.480
theology is the internet. But I'm gonna put all of

1004
00:55:55.519 --> 00:56:00.519
the episodes of the Theology Central podcast on the Internet.

1005
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.360
That doesn't make any sense.

1006
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:11.400
The allegorical method, it's the method of interpreting a literary

1007
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.920
text that regards notice this that regards the literal sense

1008
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.719
as a mere vehicle for a secondary, more spiritual You

1009
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.920
ready for this and a more profound sense? Boy, that

1010
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:29.000
sounds good, doesn't it.

1011
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.280
Well? I don't want to miss out on anything.

1012
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:36.360
So if there's some if there's some secondary or more

1013
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:39.960
spiritual and more profound sense there, then I want to

1014
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:42.360
know what that is. By the way, this person that's

1015
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:44.880
telling me this, they've got all of these degrees after

1016
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:47.840
their name. They know a whole lot more than I do.

1017
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.440
You'll find yourself in the trap. As we discussed last time,

1018
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:56.159
there's allegories in the Bible. We discussed when the Lord

1019
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:58.960
said go tell that fox speaking of Herod, that was

1020
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:01.360
an allegory. He wasn't telling them to go find a

1021
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.280
little red fox and talk to it, No, he was.

1022
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:08.360
He was saying that Herod was uh, was h was

1023
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.000
sly like a fox was.

1024
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:13.119
He wasn't saying that Herod was part fox or anything

1025
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:13.440
like that.

1026
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.760
He's saying he's sly, he's uh, he's sneaky, and he says,

1027
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:19.239
and go tell him.

1028
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:21.159
So we know that there are allegories.

1029
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:26.719
However, when you follow the allegorical school of interpretation, the

1030
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:30.400
literal historical sense is going to be ignored or denied

1031
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:31.480
in many passages.

1032
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:35.280
Some would ask, well, why would.

1033
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.559
Someone give themselves to that style of study, Why would

1034
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:41.000
someone read the whole Bible and study it that way?

1035
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:47.119
Obviously it's wrong, But we must remember that the purpose

1036
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:51.159
of the allegorical method is not to interpret scripture as

1037
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:51.559
a whole.

1038
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:53.880
It's not to interpret scripture.

1039
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:57.119
But there were the ones that use the allegorical method.

1040
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.920
It's their intent to pervert the scriptures, to make it

1041
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.519
say what they wanted to say.

1042
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:09.800
Oh, now, come on now, So anyone who uses the

1043
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.559
allegorical method, their purpose is to pervert the scriptures and

1044
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.360
to make it say what they wanted to say. I've

1045
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.519
heard people who do not use the allegorical method make

1046
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.239
the Bible say what they wanted to say. It's literally

1047
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:27.599
you just now taking everyone from a system, a hermoneutical system,

1048
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:29.840
and said your intent is to pervert it. So you

1049
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.920
got all the allegorical people and they met, you know,

1050
00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:37.280
underneath you know, a church somewhere at midnight. Nobody knew

1051
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:39.559
that there was a trap door, and it went down

1052
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:46.000
into the underground headquarters of the allegorical method and are like, okay, guys,

1053
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:49.119
we got this churchip above us, and this church above

1054
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:51.760
us represents all churches, and what we want to do

1055
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:54.320
is pervert the Word of God. So what are we

1056
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:57.480
gonna do. We're gonna come up with the allegorical method?

1057
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.320
What is that?

1058
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.239
Come on, now, you can't say that their intent is

1059
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.119
to pervert it? We could go how about we go

1060
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:11.239
through the history of it. The allegorical methods started in

1061
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:17.039
early Jewish interpretation, which literally comes before well twenty twenty

1062
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:21.280
BC to a d fifty, So even before you would

1063
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.599
have the Day of Pentecost and what some would refer

1064
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:25.719
to as the birth of the New Testament Church, there's

1065
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:30.159
ideas already there. Well, guess what. Judaism greatly influenced early Christianity,

1066
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.960
and early Christianity was greatly influenced by the allegorical method.

1067
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:36.400
Why how come maybe we should ask some of the

1068
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:39.360
deeper questions to say, Well, they all got together and

1069
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:44.119
they wanted to pervert the Word of God. What their

1070
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.599
intent was to pervert it? So they could say they

1071
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.880
can make it say whatever they wanted to say. Christians

1072
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.039
have been making it say whatever they wanted to say.

1073
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:58.000
From every philological background, every hermeneutical background, including me and

1074
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:01.159
including you, because we're sinners, and whenever sinners touch the

1075
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:02.840
word of God, we have a way of trying to

1076
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:06.760
make it say what us, as a sinner wants it to.

1077
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:14.159
Say, because who are you to say that it doesn't

1078
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:17.599
say that. Well, here's what I saw in the clouds

1079
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:18.679
one day.

1080
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.079
Well here's what I heard when the wind blew. It

1081
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:23.440
told me that this verse meant.

1082
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:27.800
Now you're going to say the allegorical method. People are

1083
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.360
getting these ideas from the clouds and from the wind.

1084
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:46.440
That's not the allegorical method. Oh no, that's more of

1085
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:50.360
a mysticism. That's more of a mystical approach to scripture.

1086
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.840
You could argue a charismatic approach.

1087
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:06.000
Reality is, many times we seek that deeper, more spiritual meaning,

1088
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:11.559
and it's disguised under this perversion of God's word. Lord

1089
01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:15.199
help us. I want us to notice the also the

1090
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:19.440
dangers of the allegorical method. So we saw the disguise.

1091
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:24.280
All right, we'll stop there, because we're sixty one minutes.

1092
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:27.679
I'm really frustrated. I know him and I would agree

1093
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.280
that the allegorical method is wrong. I would completely be

1094
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.679
in agreement with him. Obviously he thinks I use the

1095
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:37.239
allegorical method because I guess because of my calvinistic approach

1096
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:41.199
to salvation, but which it was just a completely misrepresentation.

1097
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:43.519
But I'm not going to accuse anyone who holds to

1098
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:48.039
the allegorical method of them intending to pervert the scriptures. No,

1099
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:53.440
they're just using a different hermeneutical approach. Everywhere. All of

1100
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.960
christiandom is about that. But he didn't even go through

1101
01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:01.599
the history here. He didn't go through Alexandra Filo of

1102
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:04.679
Alexandria twenty to eighty fifty. He is the key figure

1103
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.400
in the early period. He sought to reconcile Greek philosophy,

1104
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:12.360
especially Platonic thought, with Jewish scripture. Follow interpreted many Old

1105
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:16.480
Testament passages allegorically and seeking deeper spiritual meaning behind the

1106
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:20.039
literal text. Then we have Origin one eight five to

1107
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.440
two fifty three, one of the most famous early Christian allegorists.

1108
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:26.079
He developed a system of interpretation where scripture had three

1109
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:29.280
levels of meaning, the literal historical level, the moral level,

1110
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:32.679
and the spiritual level. Origin's influence spread throughout the early Church,

1111
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.719
particularly in Alexandria, and many of his successors, including Clement

1112
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:40.000
of Alexandria and later Ambrose Amilian used similar approaches there.

1113
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:42.719
Origin is where you really want to go. Origin was

1114
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:47.159
the key here from a Christian perspective, and I'm hopefully

1115
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.800
saying Filo correctly, but he, I mean, he's he's the

1116
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.039
one that kind of really started it. And then but

1117
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:58.360
then Origin is the one who really christianizes it. But

1118
01:02:58.519 --> 01:02:59.800
I guess we're not going to even have that to

1119
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:06.360
discussion everything. He kind of gave a definition of the

1120
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.239
allegorical method, but then immediately every example he's given is

1121
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:13.880
not the allegorical method. When a clouds, that's not the

1122
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:18.880
allegorical method, because all someone argues how all is being

1123
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.320
used in a similar context. I already read to you.

1124
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:26.519
I'm not even reading from a calvinistic source. I just read, like,

1125
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.480
what is that? Does all always mean every single person

1126
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:31.920
in the Bible and anyone looking at just the linguistic

1127
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:34.039
use of no, it doesn't always use it that way.

1128
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.119
And here are the reasons why that's not allegory?

1129
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:49.639
That just man, Okay.

1130
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.679
Well, I don't know why I was hoping for something different.

1131
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:53.320
I was hoping for, like, oh, we're going to dig

1132
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:55.880
into what the allegorical method is. And then you'll see

1133
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.960
how the steps of the allegorical method, even though people

1134
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:01.800
who say they don't use the allegorical method maybe utilizing

1135
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.679
the influence of the allegorical method when they say in

1136
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:07.760
Second King six that the axet isn't an axe head,

1137
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:11.119
or in Eequel thirty six, or Israel and Land isn't Land.

1138
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.760
So I wanted to see the principles of the allegorical method,

1139
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:17.039
and then we could see how those principles are often

1140
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:18.840
used by people who say they don't hold it the

1141
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.599
allegorical method. That would have been fascinating. But we're not

1142
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:26.519
actually getting to the principles of the allegorical method, are we. No, Well,

1143
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:30.199
I don't know what that is, all right, Well, still

1144
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:33.199
go download the series. Still go download it. Still listen

1145
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:35.440
to all of it. I always tell you to do that,

1146
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:37.679
and go listen to the rest of it. There's about

1147
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:41.599
I don't know, maybe maybe ten minutes left, maybe fifteen

1148
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:44.000
maybe about fifteen minutes of it left, about fifteen minutes

1149
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.039
of it left, and so you can go listen to it.

1150
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:49.639
The allegorical method. I appreciate him doing a series on

1151
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.760
how to study the Bible. I'm not trying to be negative,

1152
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:54.000
just it's a little frustrating when all of a sudden,

1153
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.599
the allegorical method is being described in a way. Look,

1154
01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:00.480
I hate the allegorical method. I hate it, but I'm

1155
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:02.039
not gonna sit there and say the people who hold

1156
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.440
to the allegorical method is their intent now I'm speaking

1157
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:09.280
to the intent of the heart is to pervert the

1158
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:11.440
scriptures and to make it say what they want to say.

1159
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:13.800
How can I say that that's making a judgment against

1160
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.880
something you can't judge. I would just say they're using

1161
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:20.880
a method I completely disagree with. I hate charismatic theology.

1162
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:24.519
I loathe it, but I can't judge the intents of

1163
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.119
the heart of a charismatic I think that they really

1164
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:30.239
believe the Bible teaches what they think, it thinks what

1165
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:34.920
it says. When do we just start making accusations about

1166
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:37.639
the intents of people's hearts. How can we make that judgment.

1167
01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:41.400
We're not God. So there would have a strong disagreement.

1168
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:44.360
Would It's weird because on winning I probably is in

1169
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:49.000
great agreement with this person about the allegorical method, but

1170
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:53.119
I can't agree with the way that allegorical method is

1171
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:55.280
being described here. It's not the allegorical method. I mean,

1172
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:58.960
I know the allegorical method. I was the allegorical method,

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so I know it really really really well. I did

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really well in that school. Okay, well now I've got

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to go get food. So thanks for listening. Everyone, have

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a great day. I'm going to take a break. God

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bless