A Six Million Dollar Banana

0:02 Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I have to ask this question. How much would you pay for a banana? Come? I want you to really think about this. How much would you pay for one banana? How much five dollars? Would you pay? Ten dollars for one banana? Would you pay twenty five dollars? Would you pay fifty dollars? What about one hundred dollars? Now, I know, at this point some of you are already laughing at me, thinking that's right, no person, no sane person, would pay one hundred dollars for a banana. But what if I took that banana and I cover put duct tape right across the middle of the banana, and I taped it to something. I taped it to a board. I took a banana, took some duct tape, put it right across the middle of the banana, tape it to a board. Would you then pay five thousand dollars? Would you pay ten thousand? Fifty thousand?

1:21 Would you pay one hundred thousand dollars for a banana with some duct tape across the middle of the banana tape to a board. Come on, would you now? Why? Why wouldn't you pay that much? What if I was to tell you someone paid a lot more than that, in fact, probably far more than you could ever imagine. I'm not making this up. Someone paid a lot of money for a banana taped to a board with duct tape. And I'm gonna tell you all about it right after I say this. Good morning, it's still morning. Good morning everyone.

2:04 It is Friday, November the twenty second, twenty twenty four. It is currently eleven forty eight am Central time, and I'm coming to you live from the Theology Central Studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. While many people run around talking about how bad the economy is. Inflation, this is crazy. I don't know how anyone can survive. Well, a lot of people have major concerns about the economy, while other people, well, they were doing this and finally we're going to begin at eight hundred thousand dollars. At eight hundred thousand dollars.

2:52 Last night, a highly conceptual piece of art went on the auction block at Southern Peace. One million is with me already. Actually, Bitter is from around the world. World threw their offers into the mix three million, five hundred thirsands. They pushed the price higher and higher until the winner clinched it. It's slipping through the ocean room of five million, two and I'm going to sell it here the world's most expensive banana. Add five million, two hundred third. A real right banana taped to the wall with duct tape sold for five point two million dollars plus another million in fees. The piece is by the artist Marizio Catalan, and it's titled Comedian. We are looking at an ordinary banana and an ordinary piece of duct tape. However, what makes the ordinary extraordinary is the intention of the artist who put this together. So The Bee's head of Contemporary Art called Catalan a brilliant provocateur, and he has a history of shocking the art world. He once installed a solid gold toilet at the Guggenheim. He first debuted the banana duct tape piece a few years ago and said it was a satirical commentary on the art market and what art is considered valuable. The winning bid last night came from Justin's Sun, a crypto entrepreneur who watched the auction from Hong Kong. He said, for him, the piece bridges the worlds of art, internet, memes, and cryptocurrency. And he said he plans to eat the banana.

4:18 Five point two million, but then there was another million dollar in fee, so that makes it a six point two million dollar banana with duct tape. That's all. Someone took a banana, duct taped it to a board and said, this is a satirical work of art that shows you, you know, how crazy the you know, art market is and what how art is valued. And someone was like, you know, I've got to have that. I mean, instead of just recreating it for yourself, let me go grab a banana, let me tape it with some duct tape, put it on a board. Look everyone, look everyone, look at my satirical piece of art. Look at it. Come on, look at it. No, no, he I had to buy the original for five point two million with a million dollar fees. So six point two million dollar banana with duct tape. I don't want to leave out the duct tape.

5:10 And I'm assuming it comes to the board that it's taped on. So there you have it. There you what what now? When I heard that that was at the end of one of the news podcasts that I subscribed to that was just like the very last story. In fact, I was getting ready to just turn it off because I'd already heard all of the major news stories, and then they threw that in at the end, and I was like, what did I just hear? Like, let me play that again. So I played it again, and I'm like, what do we do? So on one hand, here's where I kind of become conflicted here. On one hand, I don't want to undermine or play down the significance of art, right.

5:54 I know, art is very much in the eye of the beholder. What one person sees as brilliant, another person may see what is that? And I know, especially when it comes to contemporary art, there's a lot of people like, I don't know what this is and kind of you know, mucket and I understand that. So I don't want to sound like that. I don't want to sound like that. I do want to try to appreciate that this is a satirical piece that's supposed to show you how things are valued in the art world. Okay, great, but is it worth? I mean, what is that worth? I mean, it may be worth the satirical message. It may have some value because of the satirical message that you're trying to get across, or it could just demonstrate that anyone who would spend five point two million dollars on a banana with duct tape tape to you know, a board or taped to something like, does it say more about the person who purchased it, that they've got way more money than they need and that they could probably have done something far I don't know, beneficial even to themselves, and they're going to just eat it. So they're just gonna eat the banana, and the meaning that the piece of art is just going to be they purchased it just to eat it. I don't know, Like the whole thing is just crazy. I'm like, so what do I do with this? Like I had to sit there and think about it and think about it and think about it, and like how do I even process this? So I

7:25 started thinking, is it possible that the story about the duct taped banana sold for six point two million dollars? Again five point two million but a million dollar fees? Could it possibly? Now I'm throwing this out there all right, is it possible that this story of this banana that it could highlight maybe issues about value, meaning, perception. Do you think it it has something to say about what we value, about what we give meaning to, how we perceive things, And is it possible that we could explore this from maybe a more philological or biblical perspective. Is it even possible? I don't know. I'm going to try.

8:15 Is it even possible? Is it possible that this entire story about this banana, that it raises questions about maybe how you and I as human beings, how we determine the worth of something, especially when what we value may appear to be absurd or even meaningless. I mean, how do we determine what is valuable? Because what you may determine is valuable, I may see as absolute meaningless junk, right, And what I value you may determine is meaningless and absolute junk. Right. Like if I was to go pick up my headphones and the amplifier that I have connected to it, if I was to go downstairs to my Yamaha amp that is down there, and the different things I have for stereo equipment. If I was to go through all the different things I have for music, many of you would be like what in the world that's all just useless and meaningless because music doesn't mean anything to it. I mean, you may say you like to listen to it, but you don't really care about any of it. You don't care about how it sounds like.

9:29 You're just you're kind of indifferent. You may think, if I walk down to where my Yamaha amp is and you turn to the right and you see my sixty five inch television, you may go, who cares if it's this and it can do four K or ultra high death or Dobie Otimus, and who cares about any of that? You may see that as meaningless. But then I may walk in and look at some of the things you have and I'm like, really, that's that's what you think is valuable. So we already know that there's very much a no, there's no like. We have different perceptions, we have different things that mean something to us. So we definitely know that, But how do we look at it from a philological or biblical perspective? Maybe from a biblical perspective, the story of the six point two million dollar banana, maybe it could challenge us to consider the nature of true value and maybe how it aligns with God's standards rather than well, our own human whims, our own human ideas.

10:38 So let's consider it, or at least throw out some possibilities from a philological reflection. I mean, this is the Theology Central podcast. Right, we can make theology central to any story, even a story about a six point two million dollar banana. Right when I saw the story the six million dollar Banana, I thought of the six million dollar Man. Do you remember that show? Do you remember it? You can watch it on peacock. Right, I loved that show. Now, I don't know, it doesn't really stand the test of time in twenty twenty four. It's very dated, but yeah, you can go you can go watch it on peacock. But there was a six million dollar man. Now, that story was about this test pilot, right, astronaut test pilot.

11:20 He's in a horrible accident, and then they decide to use him basically as an experiment. We can build him back, we can we can make him stronger and better, because it was showing the advances in technology and medical advancement, and well he became the bionic man, six million dollar man. It took six million dollars to build him back. But he has. So you saved a life, you preserved human life, and you made it better. Okay, all right, that maybe is worth spending six million dollars on. But a banana that just has duct tape on it, you're gonna pill the duct tape off, pill the banana and just eat it, like, I don't like. I don't know. So, But how do we look at that from a theological perspective? Well, does this have anything to say possibly about human misplaced value when it comes to humanity, when it comes to us as human beings, do we often assign value to that which is fleeting, that which is trivial? I mean, don't have a tendency to assign great value to that which is temporal, that which is earthly, that which is fleshly, and so much not about being earthly or fleshly, it's just that it's fleeting. We assign great value to something but it's trivial. It's only going to be here for now, and it's going to be gone, and we do that.

12:51 Just think of all the things we assign great value to, things that we think are so important, things that we get so caught up in and so concerned learned about there's a lot of trivial things, right, I mean, we can do this in lots of different ways, right. I Mean, it's not just I want you to try to see beyond Well, I would never pay six point two million dollars for a banana. Well, one, you probably don't have six six point two million dollars to spend on it. And now you say, well, if I had it, I wouldn't. But but if you had, if you had a hundred million, if you had a billion dollars. I mean, the more money you have something that's six point two million for, if you have enough money, that may seem like just going to the convenience store and go, oh, here's a little toy I want to buy. Well, because it doesn't appear to be that much. So then it really determines on well, you know, the more money you have, well, the more you can get. And it can just seem insignificant.

13:50 I can go to the store and buy something insignificant because well it's not that much compared to the amount of money that I have. So but consider it from this perspective, just in life, right, just in your life, in my life. I want us to see that we we spend money, we spend time, we spend focus, we spend effort on so much that is trivial and temporal. I used to, I used to. I've talked about this so many times when you when you when you're in any place of employment, right, people get so caught up in their jobs, right and every and people there will be drama and arguing and fighting and and and all of this. People are fighting for positions, they're fighting for this, they're fighting for a raise, for a promotion, they want credit this and everybody, and people can get so worked up, but in the end, none of it matters. In the end, it's all irrelevant. You're going to walk out of that building one day. You're gonna retire, and nobody's going to stinking care that you got Employee of the month. Nobody's gonna stink and care that you were this. Are you accomplish this? Sometimes all of these accomplishments that we value, they's just going to burn up. Now we can see it.

15:09 When it's a six point two million dollar banana, We're like, well, how ridiculous. Sometimes we can't see it that we are showing that we value things that are really trivial, that are insignificant that are temporal? Do Is it possible that as human beings we have a distorted understanding of worth and it is seen and we can't see it, but we can see it when it's something absurd, like someone paying six point two million dollars for a banana, then we can see it. But can you see in your life your distorted understanding of worth? And is it possible that this could originate from our focus on materialism, pride, a desire for status and recognition. Is it possible we all have a distorted view of value? Is it possible that all of us, as humans we have we have a distorted view of value, every single one of us.

16:09 We are born with a distorted view of value. And the reason we have a distorted view of value is because of our sinful nature, which gets us to focus on materialism. We focus on the material, what we can touch, what we can see. On pride, it will it make me me? It's about me, It's about me, It's about me. I want everyone to know that it's me. Is it possible that that that could be an issue? Could it become we want a desire for status? Oh? I want to I want to reach a certain status, and I want recognition. I think that we value material, pride, status and recognition. Is it possible that the banana taped basically to a wall symbolizes how the world can celebrate the futile or absurd while ignoring lasting and meaningful truths. I think that there's something. I think this is simple. I know it's just a you know, a banana tape to a wall, aboard whatever it was taped to. I think we can all see, Man, that's absurd. But I again, it's easy to always criticize others. We sometimes have to look when we're criticizing something else, we have to look at ourselves. I'm not going to pay six point two million for a banana tape to a wall. I'm not

17:40 going to value that. I don't care about that. But it doesn't mean I don't have misplaced values. Doesn't mean that I can be just as much as placing value concern over things that are temple and futile, and be just as foolish, but in a different way, especially if we look at it from a theological perspective. Now we do have now some of these scriptures, I don't have time to put them in their historical context in this episode. But there's some scripture that comes to mind. How about I'm not saying that this fits perfectly, but Isaiah fifty five two. Now, obviously there's a historical context here, But Isaiah fifty five to two, there's these words are being spoken.

18:28 Wherefore do you spend money for that which is not bread? And your labor for that which satisfieth not? Hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Now this seems to speak, at least to some part, it's a critique and to some level that we have a tendency to invest in things that bring no real fulfillment, and it in some ways it could speak to people to seek that which truly satisfies, which is God's wisdom and God's truth. We have a tendency to invest which doesn't really bring fulfillment.

19:09 Now that person paid six point two million and he's going to eat the banana. Now, obviously he's playing along with the satirical nature of the piece of art, so he himself will become basically a part of the satire. He himself will be kind of playing along. Hey, the piece was to demonstrate how meaningless things can be seen as of great value in art. It's kind of making fun of it. And now this man who paid six point two million becomes a part of the sat tire. So maybe that's why he did so, and he's got the money to do so. But it symbolizes, though, for us, sometimes the futility and that we misplace. We misplace value.

19:58 We give value to that which is futile, which is meaningless, which is empty, which doesn't truly satisfy. And I think we all, every single one of us, we do that. So does it symbolize not just and I think at first I thought about humanity, But let's just do this. Does it symbolize you and I and are let's speak directly to us, let's look in the mirror. Does it show us how we pursue and we give value to the wrong things? And think of the things. You give so much value to your attention, your time? And does it deal with well, pride, position, recognition, materialism? Come on, where do you give the great look at your life?

20:47 Your life shows you what you value the most? And I think what we can see by our lives, we don't value God or the things of God more than we value other things. I think this can be spoken to all of us. Could it be that this banana for six point two million dollars? Could it possibly symbolize or speak to the vanity of worldly pursuits? Is it possible that the banana taped to a wall, to a board, could it echo maybe some things we hear in the book of Ecclesiastes, where you have someone lamenting the vanity, the meaningless, meaningless of worldly endeavors and the pursuit of menial, temporal things. I mean, Solomon's trying to figure out the purpose of life, and he's like vanity, vanity, meaningless, meaningless, meaningless, meaningless, meaningless, meaningless.

21:47 Could it be that the taped banana represents kind of the emptiness in a sense of wealth and of human achievement, which ultimately does not satisfy nor can it endure. If you look at Ecclesiastes one four, I have seen everything that is done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. To borrow from that translation, it's meaningless, it's everything done under the sun. It's meaningless, it's empty. Could it be that the absurdity of the art's value underscores how you and I chase after that which lacks any internal or eternal I think you should say that way eternal significance, not internal but eternals. We definitely value the external more than the internal. But in this particular case, doesn't it the banana seem to indicate that the absurdity of the value of that banana? Could it underscore you and I us us how we chase, chase after that which does not have any eternal significance.

23:10 Let's state it that way. Does that? Does that make more sense? I think that makes sense. Is that possible that the banana? Nice? So now today, this is what I want you to do. I want you to get a banana, get some duct tape, and just tape it to the refrigerator. And when everybody walks about what what is that? Well, that that demonstrates how all of us in this family we have misplaced values. And number two, it shows you the vanity of worldly pursuits. Now you can try it. I think your family are just gonna be like, you're out of your mind listening to that stupid podcast again. Why are we taping a banana to the refrigerator, because maybe we need to be reminded that you and I we tend to value the wrong things, and we give value to the wrong things. And let's be honest, we're we're we're very much involved in worldly pursuits.

24:05 Could it be that when we look at a banana selling for six point two million dollars, could it be that this is symbolic of a misplaced treasure? Could it be remember Jesus taught that we should prioritize eternal treasure over earthly wealth. And why because earthly wealth can easily distract and deceive us. The duct tape banana, could it not serve kind of as a metaphor of how worldly treasures, no matter how expensive or celebrated, are temporary and will faid I was thinking Matthew six verses nineteen to twenty one, reading from a differ translation, Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steel. But lay up for yourselves treasures and heaven, For where your treasure is there, your heart will be awesome. Whatever your wherever your treasure is, identify what you treasure. That's where your heart is. Ladies and gentlemen, if you treasure a banana tape to a wall, and you're willing to give six point two million dollars to purchase it, where that's where your treasure is. That's

25:36 where your heart is. If you can identify what you treasure, you will identify the location of your heart. And this is why, over and over and over, I know, and you know, if we're even remotely honest, my heart is not loving God with all my heart, mind, body, and soul. My heart is typically found somewhere and what eye treasure, and it tends to be very earthly, It tends to be very material, and it tends materialistic, and it tends to be very self serving. I love what the thing that I get something from pleasure, acknowledgment, whatever it may be, because my heart is going to be what is going to give me the greatest amount of whatever I'm looking for.

26:23 Maybe the banana shows us how as you and I that we misplace value, we give value to the wrong things. Maybe it shows us the vanity of worldly pursuits. Maybe it shows us misplaced treasures. Could it be, could it be that the banana shows us futility without God. So when you look at the valuation of the art piece, doesn't it reflect a more kind of a world increasingly detached from the grounding reality of God. The more you become detached from a reality grounded in God, well, then what happens. In the Book of Romans, Paul seems to explain how once humanity, when it's separated from God, it exchanges his glory for foolish things. It misdirects his worship and value. That would be what Romans won think you look at that entire section starting around verse twenty two, because I read it from a different translation. Claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal men, birds, animals, and creeping things. The duct tape banana could possibly then represent how the world, how you and I evaluates the trivial or the absurd, and we place it almost to

27:56 a place of reverence. It's almost a volley of misplaced priorities. But we can now, I don't want to just say the world all of us, all of us do this. We constantly we claim to be wise, and we constantly prove ourselves to be fools, and we exchange the glory of God for for for the fleshly, for the for the tangible, for the material. We do that constantly. We evaluate the trivial, almost to an absurd place of reverence, where we I love this, and I need this, and I want this and I desire that, and the things of God get pushed to the to the side. I think it shows the futility without God once we once we kind of abandon God, which we abandon God constantly. Okay, don't act like Christians, we don't do this. And then we begin to do what well we we We begin to give other things this greater attention, worship, an adoration, love, pursuit.

29:04 We become consumed with it. So what would be like So that's kind of looking at the banana from like a kind of a philological perspective. What if we try to really try to create a biblical perspective here? What if we try to create a biblical perspective, Well, then we would need to establish God's standard of value, right, or God's standard of worth? Maybe we go with that language. So I'm telling you get a banana, duct tape it to the refrigerator today because it symbolizes all the things we just talked about, and then we can try to establish what would be a biblical perspective. Well, God's standard of worth would be the true value. True worth is not determined by the how much something costs or human praise, but by God's standards. Right. If you think about how does how does something valuable? How is something deemed to be worthy or valuable? How is that determined? It's sometimes by how much it costs or by what people think about it. Well, if people think it's good, then it's good.

30:21 If people think it's bad, it's bad. Right, or or how much something costs. There's different ways. But for us, what we should say from a Biblical perspective is, well, God's standard God determines value and worth. The Bible would seem to teach that what is truly valuable often appears insignificant to the world, Right is it first Samuel sixteen seven that says something like the Lord sees not as man sees. Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart. If you look at the Bible, the Bible emphasizes things like humility, love, turning the other cheek, things that would appear weak, foolish, insignificant to the world, but God values that. See. God sees, not as a man sees, He judges. He values things differently. The world may value a banana at six point two million, God's valuation would focus on purpose and substance on something differently.

31:29 So maybe we have to try to begin to see worth and value from God's perspective and not our own perspective. We tend to determine value and worth of something on how it makes us feel, not from an eternal perspective. Come on, I know that's the case. So maybe a biblical perspective would be we have to look at it from God's standard and not man's standard. Second, we have to have an eternal perspective, which I just alluded to. I just hinted a see the seeming absurdity of this art, it is when you really well, I have to kind of I'm kind of conflicting on this. On one hand, I want to say, you look at the art, it's completely absurd when you contrast it with eternity. But everything seems absurd and useless when you compare it to eternity. Right, So, and in some ways I think we would say the banana is absurd even from the most pragmatic and practical perspective, right, But I think it can symbolize that we do need an eternal perspective. We all of us have a very much a temporal, earthly perspective. But if we saw things from an eternal perspective, we'd be like, well, should I be really upset about that? Or we're really focused on this if I look at it from an eternal perspective.

32:43 But it's hard to have an eternal perspective. We have the parable of the pearl of great price. I think in Matthew thirteen, right, this reminds us that the most valuable treasure is God himself. It's worth it everything we have God eternity. That's why it has great value. We should be willing to give up everything for that. What we should value above everything else is God, that which is an eternity. That's what we should value. But what we have a tendency to do is will sacrifice the eternal, Will sacrifice the spiritual for the fleshly, for the earthly, and for the temporal. I do it, You do it.

33:24 Let's not pretend that we don't. I know we have a tendency when this kind of thing is preached. Well, the world out there, but we've got it all, man, I've been going to church forever. Christians are just as consumed and preoccupied and loves the world, love the things in the world. They have a temporal perspective. They have misplaced value, misplaced treasures. They pursue that which is vain. The church even does that. The church will cancel the preaching of God's word for anything fun and entertaining. We know that for crying out loud. Church is closed down on Christmas to mostly celebrate christ By closing down the church, they won't open the doors. Everyone's home exchanging gifts and drinking eggnog. So come on, let's let's it's look, it's okay to be honest when it comes to Oh, we can't do Halloween because it's bad. What do we do?

34:17 We have the Fall Festival. We can all dress up and have food and fun and candy and games. Because we we want what the world has. Now we will try to spiritualize it so we feel better about ourselves. Right. Hey, When Christians sit around a table and shove food down our throats, we call it fellowship. Well, the rest of the world just says you're sitting around the table talking and eating food. We say fell because we got to make it spiritual when reality we just want to hang out, make friends and eat food. We have the same temporal perspective. Come on, we know we do, we know we do, so we need to have we need to see. We need to establish God's standard of determining value, which is going to be very different than the world, and we need to establish an eternal perspective. It's Philippians three. I think it is. Verse eight says something along and I'm paraphrasing.

35:12 I count everything as lost. I count everything as dung because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus everything else. I count everything else as useless compared to what knowing Christ. What the world deems as priceless is often meaningless in light of eternity. You can take something that you think is of great value, that you think is so important, it seems useless, meaningless, and trivial when compared to eternity. So what are some questions we could ask? How do you?

35:54 How do I? How do ius? How do we evaluate what is truly meaningful in life? How do you truly evaluate what is meaningful? What is valuable? And what ways do you assign value to temporal things? Come on, what are some ways how do you evaluate what is truly meaningful in your life? Come on? How do you truly evaluate it? It's gonna, if you're honest, it's gonna be about how it makes you feel? Right, Come on? But number two, I don't want to answer these questions for you, but I want you to at least think about them. So, how do you evaluate what is truly valuable in your life?

36:35 And what are some ways in which you assign undo a wrong value to temporal things? What are some ways that you assign too much value to temple things? Come on? Identify some ways? And what are some things we could do to ensure that our lives reflect the eternal values God has set forth? What are some ways that we could really show that we are pursuing the eternal values? Now, it's a story about a six point two million dollar banana. All right. We could find it humorous, we could find it absurd, we could laugh at it, we could be dismissive, dismissive of it. Whenever the man finally gets this great work of art. He says he's going to eat the banana, probably do it on TikTok or YouTube or some social media, and probably a fifty bazillion people will tune in, and we'll laugh and mock at and mock it. But could it possibly be possibly, somehow a very profound commentary. Maybe it could be a profound reflection on me and my misplaced priorities. Maybe it could challenge me to well reconsider

38:08 what I give great value to an attention to. Maybe it could challenge me to look at things from an eternal perspective and not a temple perspective. Maybe, just maybe, well maybe I should say it this way. I will never pay six point two million dollars for a banana with some duct tape tape to a wall aboard or anything else. But the reason I will never spend six point two million dollars on a banana tape to anything because I don't have six point two million dollars. So I could sit here like I'm morally superior, thinking that I'm so much more you know, insightful, and I'm more profound, and I have a better perspective, or instead of looking at the six point two million dollar banana. What I do is understand that the six point two million dollars just symbolic. And so I look at what all the things I spend my focus, my time, my attention, where I would spend my money, what I would do, and then ask myself, am I really better off? Because I'm just as consumed with earthly, fleshly temporal things as anyone else.

39:27 So that person spent six point two million on one banana. I have spent my life, which is far more valuable than six point two million, probably focused, preoccupied and pursuing the wrong things, because that's a part of our sinful nature. And maybe we'll never have the right understanding and the right perspective until we are in eternity. Aren't we grateful? Though? What determines us being in eternity is not that we have it all figured out about what to value or not value, but because well, because of what Christ did for us. So what do you think about the six point two million dollar banana? They get a banana duct tape, put it on your refrigerator and let the conversation begin, Because I think it's a conversation that you could have not only with yourself, even with your kids, they'll be like, what's the banana? Well, let's talk about the things we value.

40:40 And because they will be much more honest, I think kids will be like, give me a break. I value my toys far more than going to the church or the Bible or God or heaven. What are you talking about? I value get a get a. Now they now, if they're if they're raised as church kids, they'll give you the right answer. Oh, I value Jesus. Come on stop. Just this is where the family can be brutally honest. All right. There's the story of the six point two million dollar banana that I found a way to turn into a forty one minute podcast episode. So maybe, just maybe I've demonstrated my own foolishness. Only you can determine that.

41:24 Thanks for listening, God bless