#27 - Waterproofing Fails, Compliance Gaps & the Accountability Problem with Jake Turner

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I guess one of the biggest
issues we see now is probably

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poor quality and waterproofing
preparation.

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A report I'd received just
recently was a report that where

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they had waterproof and failure,
but it was identified to about

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12 months to 18 months
afterwards when mold actually

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started to appear on some of the
linings within the within

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drillings.
And eventually I had some air

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quality testing done in the
house and the occupants had to

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vacate much immediately and.
Hello and welcome back to the

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Year.
We've got some great content

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coming up this year.
I've already got some really

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big names as well.
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an excellent year.
My first guest for 2026 is Jake

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Turner from JT Certification
Services.

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So without further ado, here is
our conversation.

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I hope you enjoy it and thanks
for being here.

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Hello and welcome to the
building Sociology party where

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we talk about better buildings
to live and breathe in.

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My name is Jess Kismet and today
we are joined by Jake Turner.

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Jake is a Trey Turn building
surveyor and the brand new

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founder and Director of JT
Certification Services in that

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Gambia SA.
With his industry experience and

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an understanding of building
regulations, Jake brings a

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pretty rare mix of skills to the
table and is genuinely

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passionate about lifting
standards across the industry.

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Jake has also been a leader in
the regional compliance space,

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having served as the President
of the Limestone Coast Local

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Government Inspectorial Group.
Let's get into talking about how

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we bridge that performance gap
between regulation and real

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world construction.
Thanks for joining me, Jake.

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Thanks for having me, Jess.
Thank you.

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Appreciate it.
No worries at all.

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So tell us a bit about your
career history and how you got

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to where you are today please,
so the listener can get a bit of

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an idea of who you are.
Yeah.

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Well, I'm just going to say the
applied that you've just sort of

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repeated them.
It's got a lot to bound to live

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up to.
Yeah, but say, I sort of come

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from a hands on, hands on
background in the construction

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industry initially, Yeah, did my
cabinet maker and join a trade

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straight out of high school and
then eventually had some

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opportunities to transition,
transition into concreting into

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into formworking and moved up to
Alice Springs.

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So that was a bit of a really
good experience to sort of just

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get away from my hometown and
experience something completely

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different, different, different.
Yeah, geographic location.

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And yeah, it gave me a pretty
good sort of granting and how

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things go together on the site.
And we sort of ended up being a

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bit of a foundation for my work
in building regulation.

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It wasn't, yeah, exactly as
smooth as what everyone sort of

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goes about.
My I had a few major health

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scares which forced me to sort
of rethink about my careers.

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I firstly had a motorbike
accident when I was in Alice

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Springs and had a bit of a
compound fraction, my leg tibia,

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amphibia, which, yeah, now I'm
left with a bit of a titanium

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rod through my leg.
And yeah, and that sort of

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dropped my motivation in all
sorts of physically demanding

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work, which, yeah, made it hard.
And then about a year later I

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had a experienced heart failure.
So it had what's called a

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dilated cardiomyopathy where
your heart sort of just inflamed

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about three times the size and
sort of had a bit of AI guess

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epiphany when the doctor's
sitting out into your bed

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saying, you know, what do you do
for a career?

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You need to start looking for
something else and have a

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rethink about, you know, where
you're going to go.

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And that was pretty good
ultimatum sort of thing.

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So.
But yeah, the universe,

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thankfully I didn't, I could
actually hopped up at one of the

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councils, Danny and, yeah,
offered me a job as a building

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surveyor and, and to put
through, put me through an

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education essentially, which,
yeah, in my earlier career days,

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I'd always wanted to do
something a bit more and advance

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myself, but just never knew how
or where.

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And this was, yeah, this was a
bit of a destiny.

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Fascinating.
I guess the universe aligned and

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gave me this opportunity.
And yeah, I didn't even know

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what a building survey I was at
the start, to be honest, and how

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they contributed to sort of the
broader industry.

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And I once got to roll.
I was.

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Yeah.
I quickly realized how important

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it is.
And it's the right sort of

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education mindset put my, you
know, invested heavily into the

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profession I am.
Yeah.

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I found myself become pretty
passionate about the role and

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the impact we can on I can have
on not only construction

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industry, but yeah, just
building quality, compliance,

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everything from the ground up.
So yeah, and I guess over time,

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as I've come more and more
advanced and experienced in the

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in the role of yeah, began to
start understanding, helping

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people understand why, sorry,
why there always exists, you

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know how they support better and
safer outcomes.

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So that's the venture led me to
where I'm now starting my own

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business is JT Certification
Services.

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So I always jumped of running a
business but didn't know what

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how, didn't want to be touching
tools for the rest of my life.

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So yeah, this was the natural
next step.

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And yeah, I was being a bit,
yeah, being a bit scary and

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nerve wracking, but yeah.
And on top of that, got my first

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child due in November.
So, yeah, what better way to

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sort of, yeah, put build a bit
of a flexible life around a

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business family and yeah, the
future of the professions.

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I that's where I am today.
And yeah, all those little bits

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and pieces like you mentioned
in, in the start, you know,

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become president of on Sun Coast
of government inspectorial

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groups, basically group
professionals, planners,

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building surveyors, health
officers and that, yeah, sort of

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a group to help get together and
advocate for our professions and

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within local government.
But obviously leaving that, I've

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left that role now and yeah,
focusing more on the business.

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So yeah, it's been interesting.
So happening for you?

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Lots of new things happening in
2025.

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That's awesome.
Yeah, what's happening in the

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next 6 months, that's for sure.
Congratulations on starting your

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business and congratulations on
your very first child.

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Thanks.
SO you have been on both sides,

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as you have just mentioned,
you've been on the trade side,

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concreting, fitting and turning,
fitting and turning, you said.

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I did do fitting and turning
high school do some mechanical

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engineering and yeah, that's
boilermaking that was initially

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through the trades.
I want to get into my brother's

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a as a Boilermaker and he's a
fear and turn as well now.

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So that was my passion.
But yeah, unfortunately the

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yeah, the opportunities might
just went there at the time and

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I was doing those those I guess
set tools.

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I think at a high school you do
sort of taped you're in high

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school.
But yeah, never got the

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opportunity to get into an
employment opportunities.

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That's all right.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
But what exactly is fitting and

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turning?
I don't actually know what it

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is.
You're generally doing a lot of

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more like some more more
mechanical engineering, so you

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know, using lattes and
horizontal balls and stuff like

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that to.
Yeah, metalwork.

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Yeah, metalwork fabricate parts
and pieces.

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Yeah, the machinery and stuff.
So yeah, very fiddly, very

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accurate.
Sort of.

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Yeah, sort of works.
You're a details guy.

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I'm a details guy and I found
that when I did cabinet making

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too, because you're still
working in the middle of meters,

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the tolerance is a very small
site.

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But yeah, that always said mate,
you have a trade, you can go

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anywhere.
And like body was right because

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yeah, it took me all throughout,
you know, around Australia

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essentially.
And yeah, it's benefited me down

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the long run, so.
Excellent, excellent.

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So in all of that you've been
through your trades and then as

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a certifier you've been through
the government side of it and

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now the the private
certification side of it.

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I know you've kind of just moved
into the private certification

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side, but what was the like the
impetus to move out of local

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government and into your own
private practice?

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What you've noticed is some of
the bureaucracy that comes

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government, like honest.
Yeah, I don't know, it might

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just be my experience, I guess,
but I think I've.

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I just love the passion of the
building today and the role

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itself with the local government
responsibilities that come with

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it.
It's just, yeah, like you sort

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of find yourself getting
sidetracked on small other tasks

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and bits and pieces are, I don't
know, don't have the outcomes

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that, yeah, sort of fulfill fill
my sort of career ambitions, I

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guess.
Yeah, it was pretty easy.

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And down here in that Gambia
lock, we don't actually have a

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cop.
There's no quite certification

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firm.
So from here to Adelaide, say, I

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was like, well, there's a bit of
a gap in the market.

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It's my opportunity.
Yeah.

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There's a really limited on
resources down here,

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unfortunately, just because of
distance and yeah, being so

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close, I guess to the Victorian
border in between Melbourne and

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Adelaide, just sort of, yeah,
people can sort of access from

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both sides.
But in terms of building

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surveying, you know, it's sort
of really limited polar guys in

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the USA, That was that was the
opportunity.

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Yeah, right.
So the benefit of being in

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private practice is that, you
know, you mentioned bureaucracy,

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it's quicker going through a
private certifier.

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Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, well, that's.

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That's the benefit that you
would offer as a as a private

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certifier.
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And that's what I'm certainly
trying to sell.

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Like it doesn't always work in
that way, depending on instinct,

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on documentation there, the
quality of that documentation.

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But yeah, essentially you're
trying to save yourself as

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trying to streamline the process
a bit more, trying to get in at

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the same time, you know, a
planning consent or a planning

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assessment's been underway.
You can sort of jump in at the

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same time, given that you've got
all the documentation there to

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undertake an assessment.
Yeah, you should.

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Essentially for some of the
pretty straightforward building

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designs, you can pretty much
have it all assessed by the time

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they've got the planning consent
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However you plan stamped and
then once planning consent's

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issued, then you can, yeah, do
your part takes, yeah, a very

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short amount of time and making
builders and stuff.

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Can you know, I think tomorrow,
tomorrow maybe it's more about

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just streamlining.
But yeah, trying to ensure that

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builders in that can stick to a
schedule as well.

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We're finding probably down here
where we're a bit more limited

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on resources that because some
guys are taking their time maybe

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from the cities and that as
well.

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You know, and especially with
that about 20 business days

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undertake assessments for
planning and 20 business days

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for building depending on sort
of development is if I can

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reduce that 20 business days
down to, you know, two days or

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one day trying to have it done
essentially for builders that

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allows them to, yeah,
communicate with their customers

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and get a get their build
started quicker.

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So yeah, there's, there's
benefits to it.

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It all depends on see the
complexity of over development.

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But yeah, that's what we're
trying to market ourselves as is

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a quicker streamlined process.
Yeah.

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So that's what I'll try to do
anyway.

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Yep.
And instead that once the

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building consent is done, then
you can have all of your work

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done.
So if you could just this is I'm

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going a bit off off off track
here, but I just need to I don't

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really understand this process.
Yeah.

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So that planning consent, that's
through the council, that's not

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through you.
And then the part that you do is

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the building rules consent.
Yes, correct.

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Yeah.
OK, All right, so.

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Usually it's usually like
through a council.

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It's a, it's a three-step
process, essentially planning

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saying that gets whatever
decision made and then your

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building consent starts after
involved as a verification, 20

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days assessment time for a Class
1 and 10.

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If it's a class 29 for
commercial industrial

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development, then it is drawn
out to 60 days.

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But essentially you, you've got
to wait for the planning consent

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to be issued before the building
consent can be verified.

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And then that assessment starts
through a council.

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Whereas if you were to do a
private certifier, you can have

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all that documentation supplied
to the private certified in

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concurrent with the with the
planning.

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OK.
Yeah, subject to.

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Nothing.
Is that 2 lots of fees?

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Is it cheaper to go through the
council for or is it do you pay

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the fees anyway?
You pay the fees and look, it's

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yeah, up to the business.
Business owners essentially

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determine their fees.
Yeah, some guys might go above

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and beyond.
Some guys might be competitive,

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plan to say phase.
They're all yeah, pretty

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balanced I think.
Yeah, OK.

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Thank you for that.
That's all right.

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I'm sure most of the people
listening are builders and they

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already know all this stuff and
they're like come on, move on.

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But I needed.
To understand, Yeah, yeah, no,

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that's fair enough.
So what is one of the most

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concerning things?
I'm interested to know what

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you've found.
Do you do onsite inspections as

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part of your role?
I don't anticipate doing too

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many at this stage just in the
privates capacity.

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But yeah, our local government,
we certainly, certainly have our

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own statutory requirements to
upload inspections.

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So you're required to get to,
well, we're required to get to

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at least one mandatory
inspection or class Class 1

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dwelling and then anything class
29, you pretty much had to get

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everyone.
And so, but it's, yeah, some of

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the concerning things I guess
we'd come across.

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It's hard to pick one.
I guess it's probably not always

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the worst thing, but stuff that
keeps showing up, I guess job

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after job comes pretty
concerning.

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I guess one of the biggest
issues we see now is probably

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poor quality and waterproofing
preparation.

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It's like such a pretty critical
component for a sort of long

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term durability of a build.
But it's still, yeah, it's

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treated a bit.
I guess it's an afterthought in

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some cases.
Say generally you see membranes

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that applied probably water
stops you're talking about.

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Bathrooms here, wet areas.
Yeah, yeah, wet areas and yeah,

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that's that's that's pretty
common.

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And like I said, a report I'd
received just recently was a

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report that where they had
waterproof and failure, but it

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was identified till about 12
months to 18 months afterwards

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when mold actually started to
appear on some of the linings

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within the within growing.
So yeah, the occupants, so it.

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Became visible after about 12 to
18 months.

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Became visible on the outside of
the plasterboard.

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It must.
Have been a like a hairline

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crack or just a really fine
punction and waterproofing, but

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yeah, essentially water set in
the shower drain seeping out

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over time.
It's on that shower.

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And yeah.
And then eventually mold started

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to appear on the other side of
the wall of the bathroom.

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And yeah.
And then eventually I had some

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air quality testing done in the
house and the occupants had to

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vacate much immediately.
And yeah, get some investigation

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work underway.
So, yeah, people don't really

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understand the reap.
I think what we quite sort of

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find is that some of the guys
doing this work just don't

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understand the long term
consequences because they don't

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see it.
You know, initially you could

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something structural.
Yeah, right.

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You're going to see a crack or,
you know, something damaged in

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timber or some form of
structural damage.

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Easy to identify then because,
yeah, you know, there's

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consequences from that.
But were things like

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waterproofing where, yeah, it's
going to take a lot longer to

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sort of start see the
consequences that the guys on

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the ground just don't really
have that fear or yeah, they

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just got casual.
They just make casual decisions

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around it.
So but yeah, like I guess some

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of the other, the other concerns
are more structures and things

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like, yeah, in roof structures
now we say things like Timbers

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and members swapped out for, you
know, not always.

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I wouldn't say more, I guess
less structurally capable timber

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beams and stuff, but they'll
just swap them out because of

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material selection.
You know some of the

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manufacturers that do the
designs and provide trusses wall

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frames and that thus swap out
beams with different size beams

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without sort of.
The supplier will.

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Yeah, Yeah, the supplier will
because it's what I've got stock

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as well.
So I found you go and sign

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you're going and you know, why
is it, why is it 2 LVL was

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pretty nice except for the one
that they've specified.

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It's because oh, we didn't have
that one in stock.

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So we just gave you tools, other
ones said.

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But none of it's ever
documented.

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Sort of this one we gave you 2
smaller ones and that'll be.

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Yeah, essentially they might
look, sometimes there might be a

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studio to carry the same loads
and do the same thing.

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But yeah, just a lot of stuff
like that where, yeah, if you're

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not onto it, you're not picking
up.

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Some of the guys just make
casual decisions around.

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Yeah, it'd be right.
Sort of that laid back attitude.

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Is that right?
Mate, Yeah.

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Is that something that you
would?

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Is that something that you would
pick up and say that needs to be

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changed or can you?
We'd certainly.

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Certainly question it and say
that you can either have this

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assessment, what documentation
is supported essentially, yeah,

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if it's adequate then by me get.
It re engineered.

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Make sure that's going to work.
Yeah, essentially probably the

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more when it comes to steel
structure of steel and that it's

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when you're probably saying,
well, we need to get engineered.

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You need to have a look and
assess it and make some better

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decisions and provide some form
of documentation to support it

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or any suggestions or
recommendations to change it if

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it needs to.
But I guess some of the and

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that's like this is all one
lawful jobs, the A's that have

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been approved and stuff like
that.

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It's direct when I was at
council with some of the

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retrospective stuff that you say
is, is the concerning stuff.

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You know, I've walked through
buildings where structures where

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people have just put things
makeshift, use whatever

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materials that I wanted.
And it's not, you're not, you're

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not questioning compliance.
You can, you're questioning

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basic safety on these things.
Yeah, it's very alarming what

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people, you know, I guess to me
I'd just say it's a lack of

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education, lack of awareness
that drives the decisions.

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So when you say lawful jobs,
what would you could you just

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clarify what you mean by that
like?

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Yeah, like, so essentially jobs
that have got full development

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approval have their, they've got
their planning and building

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consent and a full development
approval.

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But yeah, like obviously when
they're in a compliance position

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as well for for a local
government, we come across jobs

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all the time where people have
gone and built structures,

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buildings, calls.
I see.

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What you're saying without
without any appropriate.

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About any form, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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OK.
Got it.

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Yeah.
But yeah, I look, I've had

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tradies and builders do the same
thing and they just think, oh,

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you know, get away with it for
now.

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And I know what I'm doing.
Yeah, till such time someone

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questions it and you're like, oh
mate, it is.

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Yeah.
But yeah, again, lack of

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education, lack of awareness and
these guys just think they can

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get away with anything and but
what?

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Yeah, big believer in
communication, in education.

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And yeah, if I can't, you know,
try and persuade people to

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understand the why they, they
might think twice about making

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some of these decisions.
So yeah, I'm pretty communicated

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with some of the guys I see on
site and really make sure that

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they understand the consequences
of, you know, the risks they're

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taking.
Yeah.

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Just trying to.
Yeah, I've actually had brought

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up photos sometimes in like 8.
You know, he left it like this.

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This is what this is what
probably could happen or this is

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what I've seen, you know,
through case studies and stuff

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and oh, oh, OK.
All right.

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We better, we better attend to
that pretty, you know, quickly

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sort of thing.
You shouldn't have to, but

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anyway.
Yeah, it's the same.

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It's same in my game, you know,
just.

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But people have to understand
the why.

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It's not the what, it's the why.
Exactly right, Exactly right.

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That's why we have this team
say.

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Speaking of water, we all know
that buildings don't like baths.

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Water is very very bad for
buildings in any way shape and

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form if it can't dry.
What are your thoughts on

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leaving timber frames exposed?
I did a post last week, I think

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it was last week, week or so ago
about that showed development

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here in Adelaide near the city
where it's been exposed for two

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winters at least, possibly
longer and the frames are black.

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They are black and the house has
been bricked up clad finished I

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believe people.
I haven't been passed recently.

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The last time I went past was
January, so now it's July.

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So that was a while ago.
I'm presuming they're pretty

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much finished now and people are
living in them.

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There's 10 townhouses and it's
bad.

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It's bad and the the response to
the reel was insane.

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It's like up at 150,000 views
now and there's just comment

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after comment after comment
after comment of people.

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Telling me that they've seen
this development that's

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happened, that development
that's happened, that

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development, that house my
neighbor, this one.

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And I'm just like.
God.

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God.
You've opened up.

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So bad, yeah, so bad.
No one's checking local council

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members, local council, like
staff, you know, are bound to

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have been driving past these
sites.

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What is going on?
I mean, I know you can't just

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knock down 10 townhouses, right?
But.

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How I think like, yeah, it's a
it's a very common issue, like I

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said, yeah, a bit down in the
sunny SE yeah, we get a lot of

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timber frames exposed weather,
very long periods of time yeah

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that I think that sort of
traditional mentality around

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should be right is pretty common
as well, but it's frustrating

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but yeah, look, it's.
The link between this practice

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like this unregulated, like
there's no rule that says you

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have to check for mold on your
building frames before you clad.

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There's no rule that says, I
mean, the timber framing code

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says that the timber has to be
less than 14% moisture content,

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but that's like at supply.
That's not when it goes up.

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So if you get sacked during
construction, there's no rule,

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there's no regulation.
There's no clause in the

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building code that says get a
moisture meter out and test the

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Dang thing before you put you're
in.

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So on.
This is just a major, major,

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major black hole.
And the link between that

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unregulated part of the building
industry and the health industry

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is still yet to be officially
recognized.

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Like everyone is a fairly broad
understanding that mold is

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really bad for your health and
really, really bad for some

456
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,680
people, but there's no official
medical link.

457
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,560
There's no, yeah, there's no
legislating requirement, which

458
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,640
is the scary part.
And I think, yeah, I think, but

459
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,800
the more that we've, I think
that more focus has shifted now

460
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,480
to kind of things like
conversation management and

461
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,920
stuff in the code.
Yeah.

462
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,240
I think you find that things you
sort of health and amenity

463
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,200
within buildings, it's probably
going to get more of a more of a

464
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,120
focus too and a bit more drawing
attention to different frame

465
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:29,960
exposure.
You know, like it's like you'd

466
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,000
touched on in terms of moisture
content stuff that could be a

467
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,440
solution as well, trying to
bring in something that sort of

468
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,640
I guess documents or indicates
or details around having a level

469
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,160
of moisture content in your team
of frames prior to linings going

470
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,280
on.
Because yeah.

471
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,280
So when when I have witnessed
have been outside inspected

472
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,160
buildings where they've got to
meet got mild appearing to sort

473
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,040
of appearing on their team of
frames.

474
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,680
We generally say look, you know,
start with your roof frame, your

475
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,000
roof linings first.
Let this dry out as much as long

476
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,040
as possible and trying to limit
some of this and if you've got

477
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,560
any sort of antifungal chemical
sprays or some sort of solutions

478
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,680
to be applying to him, please
get on to it ASAP.

479
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,520
But yeah, again, these guys,
most of the industry, yeah,

480
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,000
don't see the repercussions and
that again, it's just a lack of

481
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,480
education, a lack of awareness.
Yeah.

482
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,400
They're.
Just so nonchalant.

483
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,200
A pretty serious 1 I had to
attend to was a couple of years

484
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,880
ago where it was an owner
builder development and yeah,

485
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,240
lack of finances, but they had
timber frames all constructed,

486
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,800
no linings, no roof linings,
which just all expired.

487
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,880
So I left the two winters, yeah,
up to I was nearly probably 18,

488
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,520
nearly two years, 18 months, two
years.

489
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,080
And yeah, again, timber frames
were black.

490
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,640
I said Nah, this is ridiculous.
We're gonna have to review

491
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,280
because obviously through your
development process as well, you

492
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,920
get 2 years to commence or it
used to be 12 months to commence

493
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,600
your development and then you
get 3 essentially development.

494
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,320
So their their DA had bad
extensions of time.

495
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,760
It dragged out for nearly ten
years.

496
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,240
I think all that and council
were like this is these guys are

497
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,960
complete its job.
This is ridiculous.

498
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,560
These guys are sovereign
citizens too.

499
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,600
So a really challenging couple
to sort of deal with.

500
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,560
And I said to my manager, like,
we need to get some advice on

501
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,480
this because this is, you know,
if we could have them to

502
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,440
continue.
You've got some very

503
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,760
structurally concerning items
through the house, Tim.

504
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,920
Crime obviously is rotted out in
some areas.

505
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,960
It's lost all its preservative
treatment.

506
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,200
And I turn my treatment as well.
Exactly.

507
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,600
And there's some, yeah, some
serious structural issues with

508
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,280
this place.
What do we do?

509
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,040
And they're going to have to re
lodge or something as well and

510
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,160
get a new application and then
have someone, if they decide to

511
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,800
keep the Simba to verify the
adequacy and durability of this

512
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,560
timber.
And they weren't council weren't

513
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,440
willing to go through the core
processes, they'll get legal

514
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,240
advice around it.
So they just said, look, extend

515
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,840
it.
And I was, yeah, it's, you know,

516
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,680
sort of in those sort of
instances, it's that's where I

517
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,120
think the regulatory side of it
really lacks those strong

518
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,440
enforcement measures to be able
to, for a counselor to make AI

519
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,840
suppose a strong decision to
enforce something.

520
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,840
It's really difficult when
you're sort of relying on legal

521
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,880
resources, which comes with a
financial resource, which comes

522
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,040
with hard decision making as
well.

523
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,360
And if you've got poor
leadership, those decisions are

524
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,200
really hard to get.
Yeah, to get out of my suppose

525
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,760
and really tackle down some of
these issues.

526
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,600
And yeah, these these building
owner builders eventually put a

527
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,560
roof on it and been slowly
chipping away.

528
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,040
It's steel, but yeah, I'd sort
of.

529
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,760
Wanted.
Nah, still not finished.

530
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,760
I'd sort of want my hands
cleaned up and said, Nah, it's I

531
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,960
don't want anything to do with
this.

532
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,440
Yeah, I think my yeah, a
colleague of mine, he sort of

533
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,120
continued with the enforcement
approach on it and got some

534
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:53,920
advice around.
I think eventually they got

535
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,280
someone to come down and do an
inspection on it, provide some

536
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,960
recommendations around what to
replace what Timbers is such a

537
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,480
replace before they could
continue on.

538
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,800
And yeah, I think council
eventually we're satisfied that

539
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,480
that was going to be suitable
enough.

540
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,360
I'd actually left that in that
time as well.

541
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,200
So he actually said in the
result and where it's continued

542
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,760
on with.
But yeah, but I think the last

543
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,080
time I've seen it was they had a
roof on it.

544
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,120
So I was like, oh, we get in
some way, but yeah, just it's

545
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,400
scary.
And I had to be in the house.

546
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,960
Or 10 years later if it's still
got structural issues or any

547
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,400
Timbers starting to, you know,
have got that moisture content.

548
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,160
I think after 20% of moisture in
your Timbers, that's where it

549
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,760
starts to rock too, so.
Yeah, that's bad.

550
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,000
Oh gosh, gosh.
That's just some of the

551
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,360
realities.
You know a lot.

552
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,360
I just cannot.
It's like the biggest black hole

553
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,720
and I just like even even
certified passive house that has

554
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,560
got a big focus on, you know,
indoor relative humidity levels,

555
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,080
you know, nothing or bridging
condensation just doesn't happen

556
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,280
in a certified passive house.
It's got the external WRBS to

557
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,480
stop water from getting in like
wind driven rain or, or, or, you

558
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,800
know, look on the outside.
So that's all sorted and I guess

559
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,360
a certified passive house
builder is much more likely to

560
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,360
get that WRB on really fast to
stop it stop those frames

561
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,000
getting wet during winter.
But even certified Passive House

562
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,320
is not immune to to rain during
construction.

563
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,840
No.
So it's, it's just, it seems to

564
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,800
me that it's this particular
issue, it it needs some

565
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,840
attention.
Yeah, it needs some.

566
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,240
I mean, again, it's kind of come
down to an awareness in

567
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,040
education, project management
really.

568
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,880
I guess some they're pretty
proactive down here.

569
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,880
Generally when you see frames
going up, you'll see a roof on

570
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,200
it pretty much that same week,
if not the week after down here.

571
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,800
So you're always here pretty
proactive and understanding that

572
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,000
those some of the issues.
But yeah, you do get the odd one

573
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000
where, you know, they might have
put them up, whether it's a

574
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,720
volume builder, we've got too
many jobs on and then we get a

575
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,200
pretty slow, we get there's been
a pretty wet winter these last

576
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,800
couple months.
So but yeah, but which is going

577
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,680
to be proactive or especially in
a council sort of position or

578
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,720
when I was in a council position
is going to be pretty proactive

579
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,800
in terms of getting out there
and trying to inspect as much as

580
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840
you can.
And that's probably when it

581
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,760
comes down to essentially as
well as just more proactive

582
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,040
inspections.
And I think where SA sits at the

583
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,920
moment, you know, regulatory
wise, you're only required to

584
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,920
look at one inspection through
the entire process of the Class

585
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,960
1 dwelling 1.
And that you can choose whether

586
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,360
it's concrete, whether it's
timber framing, whether it's a

587
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:39,480
waterproofing preparation.
If you get to all three, you

588
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920
know, awesome.
But yeah, yeah, I guess the

589
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,600
concerning part is inspections
was in South Australia.

590
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,360
It's, it's, they're very, I
guess, yeah, very soft on those

591
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,920
mandatory requirements, entry
inspections, like regulatory

592
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,520
wise, you know, the council or
inspector only has to get to 1

593
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,360
throughout the entire build
process.

594
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,840
Whereas generally in neighboring
states, other jurisdictions, you

595
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,600
pretty much have to get every,
every part of part of the

596
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,320
construction phase.
You know, from the, even some of

597
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,440
the some, some of the site prep
inspector footings inspections,

598
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,640
framing inspections, waterproof
inspections, completion

599
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,440
inspections.
Whereas here you just get into

600
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,800
one of them and yeah, you sort
of pick and choose the timing of

601
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,640
it, especially in regional areas
are very limited.

602
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,600
So in terms of resources and
getting out to them.

603
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,520
So yeah, it's interesting, but
there's a lot to, there's a lot

604
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,640
to improve on, I think.
Yeah, it's fairly crucial, like

605
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,600
us, sorry to interrupt you just
in like there's a couple of like

606
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,840
fairly like simple things.
I mean they seem simple to me.

607
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,920
Maybe they're not so simple to
implement, I don't know.

608
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400
But you know, there's a couple
of a couple of things like

609
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,480
moisture testing Timbers or
getting WRB's on really fast,

610
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,360
you know, those sorts of things.
You know, I spoke to 1 certifier

611
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,120
in Adelaide here and she does
work in SA and in NT and she was

612
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,280
like the two states are just
worlds apart.

613
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,440
In NT the inspections are you go
to every, every stage has an

614
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,880
inspection and you have to go to
it.

615
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,720
And here it's much lesser.
I don't know how that yeah.

616
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Yeah, I I don't understand just
that discrepancies between

617
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,280
Jewish, I understand, I do
understand, but I don't like

618
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,560
understanding why we don't have
something consistent throughout

619
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,360
every state law I know.
Is that equally the same in

620
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,640
every state?
They're all constructed the same

621
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,880
way, same methods of
construction.

622
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,000
There might be slight variations
in the code, but it's all the

623
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,240
same.
Yeah, it's the same finished

624
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,920
result.
Why are we, why are we lacking

625
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,400
in South Australia resources?
Yeah, I don't know small pool

626
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,120
able to do it.
So if you came across a multi

627
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,000
frame, if you come across a
multi frame like I'm doing this

628
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,160
mold testing stuff course at the
moment through the Australian

629
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,000
College of Environmental
Sciences.

630
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,800
I've done the mold testing
subject and I'm on to the

631
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,960
advanced mold testing, which is
more about remediation.

632
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Only two weeks into it.
So we haven't got into the nitty

633
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,000
gritty yet.
But from the last subject I did,

634
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,360
we were told that the only way
to get rid of mold like you

635
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,440
know, you recommend using sprays
and things.

636
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,800
We were told the only way, only
way to actually get rid of mold

637
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:18,480
is to either sandblast it or ice
blasting, eventually abrasion or

638
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,360
scrubbing the mold off.
Because if you bleach it or

639
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,520
spray it or cover it up or
whatever, then you're, you're

640
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,160
killing the surface mold.
But timber is porous.

641
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,840
So any of the, the, the roots or
the hyphy are still in there.

642
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
And so you bleach it and all you
need is a bit of moisture and it

643
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,080
all grows back.
So getting rid of mold is

644
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,720
literally, if it's a porous
substrate, it's literally

645
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,840
removal.
It's the only only way.

646
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Yeah, try telling that to a a 30
year old seasoned veteran

647
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,120
builder Who?
Yeah.

648
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,240
I know.
Right, He doesn't say it, you

649
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,320
know, he just he just grabs A
planer and just goes shut up the

650
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,280
timber frame or whatever it is
and all right, that's there you

651
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,360
go, it's gone.
So I.

652
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,200
It's still some gone.
A plan.

653
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,280
It's gone, but you know he's
still.

654
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,480
Getting rid of it.
You're getting rid of it, but

655
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,720
yeah.
But yeah, it's not probably not

656
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,360
the right process, but you're
making yeah.

657
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,200
Frames a bit.
I think once, I think until

658
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,760
something's actually, you know,
adopted into our building codes

659
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,560
and any sort of relevant
standards, it's going to be

660
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,320
tricky to sort of navigate and
try and force people to get rid

661
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,400
of it.
Yeah, I'm not saying, you know,

662
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,160
we can't try, but yeah, it's
just one of those things unless

663
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,160
you can reference something,
some guys go, well, it's best

664
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,000
practice mate.
It's not really a compliance

665
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,960
scene inside and continue.
And you know, that's the

666
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,800
challenge.
I can't solve all the problems

667
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,600
today unfortunately.
No, it's more than that.

668
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Just talk about it, make people
I don't know more aware of it,

669
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,400
and just try to spread, spread,
spread the discussion.

670
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,520
Spread the discussion exactly
right Education.

671
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,600
That's right, that's right.
Do you do any like seminars or

672
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,840
anything like that or did you in
council or are you like, is that

673
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,280
your, do you plan on doing any
information sessions?

674
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,440
In terms of like getting my own
education or like going.

675
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,800
No, like to people in Mount
Gambier, like, yeah, come, and

676
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,800
I'll tell you all about why this
is important.

677
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Generally, we do like we
obviously industry borders of

678
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,800
HIA and that come down into sort
of their own education seminars.

679
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,960
But we have a group of us Newton
survivors.

680
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,200
There's been none of us down in
our region.

681
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,080
We actually get together a lot.
I think 3 * 3, maybe 4 * a year

682
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,760
sometimes and to get together
and talk about some of these

683
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,480
issues, you know, especially if
there's been no adoptions to the

684
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,480
code or amendment, sorry.
There's anything that's we just

685
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,880
find consistently occurring and
some compliance issues, we'll

686
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,240
yeah, try and get together and
talk about it.

687
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,840
But other than that we don't
really.

688
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,120
I've tried, I tried reaching out
to like pretty much the entire

689
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,160
industry down here, getting some
information out and saying you

690
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,280
know who's who would be keen to
get together once every six

691
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,960
months to talk about issues we
face, you know, regional, you

692
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,200
know, region sort of thing.
Nothing.

693
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,840
No.
I.

694
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,280
Take that.
No, no, I'm on the bar of it.

695
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,159
No one cares.
I'm like, oh, and then, you

696
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,960
know, you get FRA, I'll get
frustrated for more.

697
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,199
You know, I'm trying to be a bit
more, you know, get a bit of

698
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,639
advocacy and trying to reach
here, but and then you get, you

699
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,440
know, a week later they get I'll
be able to ring out.

700
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,719
I've got this issue.
What's you know, it's this guy

701
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,159
doesn't do it.
What do I got to do it and stuff

702
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,639
like, well, you know, and if we
all got together and had a

703
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,400
conversation about it, we might
be all on the same level and get

704
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,760
a bit of consistency sort of
thing.

705
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,639
Collaboration people.
Collaboration, man, I'm like, I

706
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,000
get you, I get you're the enemy
of the building down the road,

707
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,840
but same time like we're all
trying to get the same result

708
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,440
so.
I think that's the the really

709
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,360
great element of being in this,
like the better building space

710
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,760
that I'm in is all the builders,
like the rising tide floats or

711
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,719
boats.
All the builders, whether or not

712
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,239
they directly competing or not,
or if they've got a history

713
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,120
because you know, we've got
supervisors that used to work

714
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,920
for that company that now work
for that company.

715
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,720
And you know, yeah, it's
Adelaide.

716
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,160
So they all know each other or a
lot of them know each other, but

717
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,920
there's still there's still this
culture of let's all learn

718
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,840
together, which is great.
Now I'm going to be in Mount

719
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,320
Gambier in October ish doing a
blow a door test.

720
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,920
So let's catch up.
Let's like I'm thinking about

721
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,080
doing like an open day for the
blow a door test, inviting a

722
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,760
bunch of people, try and make
them care.

723
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,280
And then maybe, I don't know, we
can sort out like an information

724
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,600
session or something.
Certainly I wish you could come

725
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,600
to a board house.
I might blow a door test in my

726
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,400
house because I could feel
everybody breeze that comes

727
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,360
through here.
It's ridiculous.

728
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640
This is a friendly home, not
even 12 months old so.

729
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,320
Yeah, I'll be there in October.
I'll I'll spend a couple days

730
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,200
and I'll I'll.
Let's do it.

731
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,600
That'd be awesome.
Sounds good, sounds awesome.

732
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,840
There's a certified passive
house being built in Robe at the

733
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,640
moment.
Oh yes, I've seen that.

734
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,920
Sorry.
Yeah, yeah.

735
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,240
So that's, they're one of my
clients, I and there yeah,

736
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:05,600
that's that's well on track for
getting under the 0.60.6 air

737
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,080
changes that it needs to get
certification for Passive House.

738
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,160
So that's really cool having a
certified Passive House down in

739
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,360
the down in that that area of
Australia.

740
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Especially in robe.
Bloody hell.

741
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,000
Yeah.
Brass knuckles down there,

742
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,400
you're getting all the Southern
Ocean coming up.

743
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,680
So yeah, it's cold.
Calm down here.

744
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,720
And I think that's like, yeah,
that one probably played into

745
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:32,120
one of our other questions and
responses in terms of things I'd

746
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,760
like to see changes.
Yeah.

747
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,840
The more focus on film
performance in homes because

748
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,200
this is, yeah, I'm 12 months
into my house and I'm sitting

749
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,680
here on this thing is not six
star.

750
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,640
This is not and energy I'm I'm
freezing.

751
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,200
I've got my buddies splitty.
I haven't splitty on nearly

752
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,200
every day.
Yeah, yeah, and you're just

753
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,240
like, Nah, this is this isn't
how it should be like, you know,

754
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,040
should be comfortable with
having a rely on mechanical

755
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,240
services and who might not mind
you, I just met every house and

756
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,400
he has wood, you know, slow
combustion heater as well.

757
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,160
But yeah, you shouldn't have to.
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Envelope first, anyway.
Anyway, that's all right.

759
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,240
This question is there enough
accountability in the current

760
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,920
system or is too much trust
being placed in paperwork and

761
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,200
self certification?
Self certification is not a

762
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,720
thing is it?
Or is it because like, for

763
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:31,720
example, when I was doing my
studies, we had a, a building

764
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,280
certifier come in and do a talk
to talk talk for us.

765
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,360
And he talked about all these
things.

766
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,320
And then he got to energy
efficiency and I was working at

767
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,320
that.
So I was still studying, but I

768
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,280
was working in, in Star ratings
in energy efficiency at that

769
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,080
point.
So I was talking about energy

770
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,720
and I was like, oh, you know,
this is my thing.

771
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,320
I can, I can follow along what
he's saying.

772
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,040
But basically what he said was
energy efficiency is extremely

773
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,480
specialized and we basically
just rely on the consultants.

774
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,320
So like as a certifier, you are
kind of required to understand a

775
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,480
heck of a lot of things about a
building, but you can't know

776
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
everything that's, you know, you
can't possibly know everything.

777
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,520
You can't understand every, you
know, fire structure, energy, I

778
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,040
don't know what everything,
everything.

779
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,960
And so, you know, basically the
the this guy was saying

780
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,480
basically we get a report with a
certain business name on it and

781
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600
we just go, Oh yeah, we'll trust
that.

782
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,600
Yeah, the few checks and
measures you probably want to

783
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,200
put in place, I have found some
guys that do the design work of

784
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,480
the building will actually be
doing their own energy

785
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,880
efficiency ratings too, which is
not.

786
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,680
Yeah, they have to be 1 or the
other can't be both.

787
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,760
So that's which can be, yeah, it
seems needed sort of, yeah, a

788
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:40,040
bit of conflict there.
But it is I think the more that

789
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,880
the code relies on software and
stuff as well to do those sort

790
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,080
of checks and you know, any sort
of design work as well in terms

791
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,160
of net, hers and those specific
softwares that do all those

792
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,640
assessments, analysis, different
products.

793
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,280
And yeah, it is, is becoming
more and more challenging for a

794
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,920
certified to do some form of DTS
on a, on a building just through

795
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,160
what's what's applied in the
code.

796
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,240
Yeah.
So do you do GTS assessments

797
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,600
yourself?
Rarely.

798
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,800
Well, yeah, very rarely, yeah.
If it is, it's probably for

799
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,400
something very small, you know,
maybe an extension or something

800
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,200
like.
That they're worse.

801
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,200
Yeah, they are so hard.
You can, you can sort of, yeah,

802
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,120
generally we'll just try and
rely on some form of energy

803
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,280
efficiency certificate.
But again, yeah, you do what

804
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,240
you're doing a bit of checks and
ages on there, make sure the

805
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,360
materials line up with, you
know, what's been designed.

806
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,760
And yeah, yeah, window size and
bits and bits of that are all

807
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080
being applied on the actual
drawings, not just put in there.

808
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,120
Yeah, windows side and not just
on that as a model like that's

809
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,600
I'll find sometimes I'll just
put what I can into the report

810
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,440
to try and get it over the line.
And it might differ to what's

811
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,240
actually on the design
documentation too.

812
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,880
So, yeah, you still do a few
checks and balances, but I think

813
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,920
the more and more complex energy
efficiency you get, so probably

814
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,920
more going to have to rely on
consultants and look, and it's

815
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,520
an it's a unique industry and
unique professional.

816
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,640
Kudos to the guys that do it
Like it's, yeah, I can see it

817
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,680
being a pretty challenging
assessment process moving

818
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,040
forward, especially the more and
more we drift into 789

819
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,680
eventually, you know, hopefully
attend Stars into the future,

820
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,440
you know?
I think you're going to need

821
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,800
those guys on the ground to
provide that documentation.

822
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,000
It's no different to an engineer
and stuff like that.

823
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,240
They look, yeah, we can't be
assessing structural steel and

824
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,360
stuff like that and making our
own judgments on it.

825
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,800
So I can see what that same
thing implies, sort of energy

826
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,360
efficiency, say.
Yeah, I mean, it's it, I did it

827
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,880
for a number of years.
I've been out of it for a good

828
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,800
four years now.
But I did, I did those

829
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,480
assessments for seven years.
And so any, and you know, DTS

830
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,960
star ratings and back when it
was 6 stars and verification

831
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,480
against the reference building
and what you said about the

832
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,560
design documentation different
from the assessment and then

833
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,920
different from what actually
gets built.

834
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,280
That's, that's the whole reason
I, I left that job behind and

835
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,640
now I work in it's sort of
passive house and high

836
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,320
performance where it's actually,
you know, there's verification

837
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,080
on site for how, what's actually
going on because yeah, I just

838
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:17,840
thought that we can do better.
I yeah, I tend to find as well

839
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,240
that it's the, like you said,
the drift into sort of what's

840
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,560
being constructed.
But I think if you've got a if

841
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,440
you haven't got to build that,
it's really got to focus on

842
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,600
things like energy efficiency
those yeah, those are

843
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,760
construction methods and is
where the performance and the

844
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,120
end of the dialogue.
My house, I'm sitting this brand

845
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,320
new home, the performance of it
isn't where it's meant to be in

846
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,400
terms of what a 600 year old
here should be in terms of yeah.

847
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,040
So I think there's a lot of gaps
in that, in that, in that sort

848
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,240
of assessment process to design
documentation to actually

849
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,240
constructed to.
And then there's sort of a long

850
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,920
term performance of that house.
There's a lot of gaps in there

851
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,120
that need to be addressed, I
think.

852
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,960
And yeah, probably a bit more
education.

853
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,600
Again, education is a big word.
It keeps getting breaded but

854
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,760
it's just so common.
And the communication like the

855
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,080
building code changes,
Australian standards change or

856
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,920
whatever, but particularly the
building code because that

857
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,280
changes every three years now.
And the changes, the from 19 to

858
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:21,960
2022 was significant for Class 1
and from 22 to 25.

859
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,600
Well, I think the changes aren't
so significant, but the wording

860
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,320
I think is going to be like it's
going to make things easier to

861
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,560
understand.
It's going to be clearer, which

862
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,520
is great.
But the communication I find

863
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,120
between the regulatory bodies
and those on the ground is

864
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,040
pretty minimal.
Like your average tradie is not

865
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,600
signing up for webinars.
You know the the builder you

866
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,720
would expect to be keeping a
keeping on top of all of those

867
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,600
sorts of things, but your
average tradie wouldn't know

868
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,880
most of the changes that happen.
No.

869
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,120
And it's, I guess it's for me a
pretty critical thing or what I

870
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,400
one pretty important as well as
having that it's all well and

871
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,920
good to have design
documentation all detailed and

872
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,600
everything just satisfy me.
But I try and find that putting

873
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,000
installation stuff in there as
well.

874
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,040
I'm not sure other set of wires
might do it anyway.

875
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,280
But generally I'll try and
ensure that all your

876
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,000
installation documentation forms
part of your approval so your

877
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,800
builders and that can pick up
documentation.

878
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,680
Oh yeah, this is actually
installed as well.

879
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,360
Trying to fiddle around Google
and trying to find, you know,

880
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,280
the materials or the systems
they're using and trying to

881
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,520
figure out how to install them
and that as well.

882
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,240
And I think that's especially
probably your line of work.

883
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,080
We'd be dealing with building
maps and that as well where

884
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,080
things have to be done, you
know, to to the fine T sort of

885
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,000
really detailed work.
If you don't have educated

886
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,840
traders doing that or know or
understand the sort of

887
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,440
construction methods around that
and long term performance and

888
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,720
how it impacts on performance,
then yeah, you're gonna continue

889
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,160
to have leaky buildings and.
Yeah.

890
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,320
I'm saying that's why I love my
job so much, because you know it

891
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,440
just even one builder, you know,
one builder at a time, You know,

892
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,120
the light bulb goes on and they
get it.

893
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,840
And I'm like, yeah.
Yeah, well, yeah, the guy that

894
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,400
the builder, the only that did
is blow a door test and go to

895
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,640
the reference builder.
He was he put it all over social

896
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,400
media.
He was stoked.

897
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,760
And all of a sudden, you know,
he's got his customer, he's got

898
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,120
his customers picked up because,
you know, oh, we want a more

899
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,720
energy efficient home, this
guy's.

900
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,920
And so the focus is obviously
all of a sudden shifted and you

901
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,880
know, we're not just getting a
view.

902
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,200
I'm getting more energy
efficient.

903
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Then it's values, then it's
yeah, give.

904
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,840
Them something to boast about,
you know, and tell their friends

905
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,840
about.
You know, I love it.

906
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,640
Sure.
So yeah.

907
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,920
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

908
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:32,600
OK.
Bye.

909
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,960
But I think you mentioned, I
think you might have had another

910
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,640
fella on your podcast talking
about in Britain they do every

911
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,320
house has to be blocked or
tested nowadays.

912
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,800
And that is something I would
love to say adopted into

913
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,640
Australia.
That would be especially down in

914
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,400
our climate, but that would be
awesome.

915
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,680
Yeah, yeah, I would love to say
that too.

916
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:56,280
We've only got 6070 odd ATMA
bloat or testers in the country

917
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,360
at the moment.
Yeah, we're.

918
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,960
So we need to train up a heck of
a lot more bloat or testing

919
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,400
texts.
So if you're listening and you

920
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,520
want to add a skill set to your
career or if you're you're

921
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,040
wanting a career change or if
you're, I don't know, just think

922
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,720
it might be fun.
Yeah.

923
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:18,480
Go get in touch with Sean
Maxwell of ATMA, Google, ATMA,

924
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,880
e-mail him.
I'll put his contact details in

925
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,240
the show notes and and hit him
up because he runs training for

926
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,440
level 1 ATMA testers regularly
and we need more testers in

927
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,880
Australia to help keep
increasing the quality of of

928
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,720
construction.
So.

929
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Do you Do you do that as part of
your energy efficiency

930
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:41,040
qualifications or your is it
form part of that as as is it a

931
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,120
practice?
Studies I did.

932
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,000
Good thing.
Yeah, Your studies you've done

933
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,960
or?
No, no, I did, I did.

934
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,160
I just did a, my study was a
diploma of building design.

935
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,960
And then from there I got into
energy efficiency because I

936
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,440
decided I didn't like, like how
buildings looked was less

937
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,160
important to me than how they
worked.

938
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,880
And then I got into energy
efficiency, like building code

939
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,160
compliance, and from there I got
into blowout or testing.

940
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,360
And from there I got into
passive House.

941
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,280
And from there I got into all
the stuff I'm doing now.

942
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,720
So it was and like high growth
thermal simulation.

943
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,720
So it was a bit of a step by
step building block progression

944
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,760
for me.
But yeah, it wasn't all in one.

945
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,960
It was a building building upon
previous things.

946
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,200
And now I'm doing the the
building biology mold stuff.

947
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,520
So yeah, over a period of 1010
or 12 years, just sort of built

948
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,400
up one thing upon another.
Interesting career.

949
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,640
That's fine.
Yeah, Yeah.

950
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Just keeps getting more and more
interesting.

951
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,000
Yeah, it does.
Does she?

952
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,040
So I mean, I've got a question
here about awareness about what

953
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,640
a certifier actually does.
Is that a question that you

954
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,440
think you've got an answer for?
Because I actually, I, it's,

955
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,720
that's why I kind of at the
beginning of this conversation

956
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,320
was like asking to for clarity
on a few things, like a few

957
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,560
steps, because I couldn't tell
you what a certifier does,

958
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,640
honestly.
When I first started I didn't

959
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,440
even know what they were, so
that's OK.

960
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,720
And I wonder if your average,
like, you know, the builders

961
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,520
have to deal with councils and
certifiers, but outside of that,

962
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,280
we don't really, really we
don't, we don't really

963
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,640
understand.
Yeah, no, look in my time at

964
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,000
councils now, we had a lot of
people come and yeah, obviously

965
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,320
didn't really understand the
process.

966
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,360
I don't think, not always.
Yeah, a lot of time.

967
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,200
I think your builders in
designers, they just say it's

968
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,720
probably is more of a tick box
sort of function or worse.

969
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:35,760
Yeah, more pretty more of an
administration hurdle.

970
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,400
So but I tend to try and
communicate and build

971
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,680
relationships with the guys to
try and try, like I said before,

972
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,360
like trying to really explain
why behind things.

973
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,200
And yeah, it's to me, as soon as
you sort of open up that

974
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,560
conversation and get there, get
them to understand what I guess

975
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,720
the consequences of things, why
there's a building code, why the

976
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:01,200
standards, why there's always
this minimum requirements of

977
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,120
things, Yeah.
Then once it starts to shift,

978
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,640
especially, yeah, more
homeowners and people that

979
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,360
aren't in the industry as well
to try and explain what, you

980
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,840
know, national Construction code
is what's what's adopted and

981
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,280
more changes, what's every
state's got their own, you know,

982
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,760
deviations from their own little
areas in it.

983
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Yeah.
To some people it's just jargon.

984
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,600
It's just like, yeah, just tell
me if I can get approved or

985
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,200
something like that, say, yeah.
And depends, really depends on

986
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,640
how sovereign, sovereign their
bloody mindset is too.

987
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,440
I find that some guys just don't
respect regulation.

988
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,280
They just don't care.
But yeah, somebody really, some

989
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,920
are stuck in their ways.
I've got a few building

990
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,840
designers here that are really,
as soon as the change is, you

991
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,120
know, brought out the building
code or the standards, they'll

992
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,680
call me straight away and say,
hey, have you seen this right?

993
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,040
How can we adjust our designs or
what can we do to try and

994
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,440
reflect this change?
You know, so yeah, some guys are

995
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,560
really collaborative, some of
them just dying here and don't

996
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,840
really want to know anything
about you until they, you know,

997
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,880
want something, I guess.
Yeah, we're pretty fortunate

998
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,120
region.
There's good culture down here.

999
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,800
So yeah, there's probably a real
small pool of designers and

1000
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,600
architects and would say
builders, but for the most part

1001
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,040
they, yeah, they do understand
what we do is certifies in

1002
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,000
particular because we've got a
small pool of us as well.

1003
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,640
We've got, well, I know, yeah,
none of us and most of us are

1004
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,320
all born and bred in this sort
of region.

1005
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,280
So will ought to come from the
construction issue itself as

1006
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,160
tradesmen come into these roles
as building surveys.

1007
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,840
I think that's probably a pretty
critical thing or pretty

1008
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,080
important anyway.
Important part of education I

1009
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,960
think should be how you advocate
for these professions because

1010
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,080
again, it's very limited.
All of us, we all come from

1011
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,600
trades.
You do find that most of the

1012
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,400
guys in yeah, do come from a
trade based background.

1013
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,040
And it's, it's so important
because you've you've also got

1014
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,240
those relationships tradition
with historically started with

1015
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:01,960
the builders and the trades, but
then you know, you've couldn't

1016
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,480
understand the practical sort of
things.

1017
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,480
Yeah, gives you that
credibility.

1018
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Yeah, sort of beneficial when
when builders approaching,

1019
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,680
they've got a bit of an issue,
you can honestly 9 * / 10 find a

1020
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,080
pragmatic sort of approach to
help provide a solution to them

1021
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,760
and they they respect that
rather than just say no, I know

1022
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,640
this is what's in the code.
You have to do this, you know,

1023
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,360
there is sort of some form of
reference there, but to them

1024
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,160
it's you get back onto their
level and that's where the

1025
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,680
respect is and I think.
Yeah, yeah.

1026
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,720
All right.
Yeah, all right.

1027
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,760
Some do, some don't.
To answer your question, so I

1028
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,760
have sorry.
That's all right.

1029
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,400
I have a question that I want to
ask and we can cut this bit out

1030
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,360
if you want, but it was AI put
it on LinkedIn a little while

1031
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,120
back and I got bought back from
a certifier.

1032
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,040
So the when I was doing my
studies, I read an article that

1033
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,360
said that building surveyors
were seven times more likely to

1034
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,440
be struck off or have their
licenses revoked for malpractice

1035
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,480
than any other profession
because there's a real

1036
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,640
handshake.
Grow culture and things get

1037
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:10,240
overlooked via a handshake.
So we can cut this bit out if

1038
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:12,240
you want.
We don't have to comment on it,

1039
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,920
but it's just something that
I've always wondered about.

1040
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,480
Would you like to comment on
this?

1041
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,560
Look, I think it's, there's been
a heavy focus on that in the

1042
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,600
Interstate wise especially, you
know, obviously said Mr. Tiktok

1043
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,720
respected, you know, really
adding builders and whatnot.

1044
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,680
And then obviously the building
supplies that are building

1045
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,960
somebody that are connected to
that.

1046
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,080
I think there's probably a lot
more to it, maybe whether it's a

1047
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,720
handshake connection or whether
they've just got good

1048
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,120
collaborations, good connections
with their clients.

1049
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,320
Yeah, I would, I'm not.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't put it

1050
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,880
past some guys to sort of get
more comfortable with the

1051
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,400
builders and what they put
together.

1052
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,640
And sort of, yeah, not
necessarily.

1053
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,000
I wouldn't say turning a blind
eye to it, but yeah, just

1054
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,320
feeling more comfortable, I
guess.

1055
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,760
And I think, yeah, every
individual and every

1056
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,840
professional is going to have
their own interpretation and

1057
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,960
ethical boundaries.
And yeah, I try and ensure that

1058
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,520
even though I've got
relationships with builders,

1059
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,640
Yeah, definitely not pushing or
letting those boundaries drop

1060
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,640
because it's just not worth
risk.

1061
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,920
And yeah, and that's and I, you
know, as much as you want to try

1062
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,160
and be someone's friend on a
personal space, as a

1063
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,560
professional part of that every
you really have to maintain is

1064
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,040
in terms of terms of code of
conducts accreditation wise.

1065
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,800
Yeah, I don't I don't think SA
where probably is like it's

1066
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,280
probably not as seen as much as
you would say, I guess, or

1067
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,680
exposed as what you'd say in
Victoria knows whether your

1068
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,440
large volumes of builds
happening.

1069
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,880
You know, there's probably a lot
a much larger pool of surveys

1070
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,040
and certifies probably being in
the industry for, you know,

1071
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,680
predominantly most of their
careers.

1072
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:54,960
So they do probably get a bit of
yeah, I guess leniency and oh,

1073
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,360
I'm never not we're always say,
but yeah, fine mate.

1074
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,600
It's just.
I guess it's different state by

1075
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,080
state too, but.
Yeah.

1076
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,960
And so much depends how much
risk you're willing to take in

1077
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,440
the day and if you're going to
get caught out.

1078
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,120
But.
Yeah.

1079
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,120
I'm not sure.
It's just not worth the risk,

1080
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,600
not these days.
Look how look how much of it's

1081
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,400
being exposed on the media.
It's just disgusting to be

1082
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,400
honest.
I hope none of that gets dragged

1083
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,200
over to our, you know, S
Australian.

1084
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,800
We see some of the results of
poor, poor buildings, poor

1085
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,600
construction and yeah, poor
quality.

1086
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,280
I'm actually really surprised
that we don't actually have

1087
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,280
standards and tolerances adopted
into SA and it's pretty

1088
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,200
disappointing that we don't.
I hope that some stage in the

1089
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,360
future that we do because
that's.

1090
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,960
Standards and tolerances?
What do you mean?

1091
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,920
Yeah.
So like Victorian NSW and a few

1092
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,960
of those neighboring states,
they've actually got standards

1093
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,160
and tolerances adopted into some
of their legislation which

1094
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,120
allows for, you know, things
like if your walls out of plum

1095
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,960
and stuff, you can actually
there's a bit more regulatory

1096
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,520
backing behind it to enforce
builders to, to fix it and

1097
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,760
remedy it.
Whereas yeah, over here it's

1098
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,840
just all building code and
standards and that's it.

1099
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,520
The Wild West is SA, I'm
realizing.

1100
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,480
It's sort of becoming apparent
that there's not really all that

1101
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,240
many rules.
Here, look, you, you could, you

1102
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,200
could, if you were to do an
inspection on completion 1, you

1103
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,440
could identify those issues, but
it's kind of a contractual

1104
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,880
matter between the client and
the builder to try and you know,

1105
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,440
battle that yet not necessarily
an enforcement measure that we

1106
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,360
can, we can.
Yeah.

1107
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,800
So then it's up to the homeowner
to sort of force the builder to

1108
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,240
admit their mistake and fix it,
and that the homeowner doesn't

1109
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:29,200
have very much power.
Yeah.

1110
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,320
Well, when it comes to quality,
like, you know, if your wall's

1111
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,960
out of plum, builder's gonna
like, well, Oh well, you know, I

1112
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,040
don't have to fix this sort of
compliance issue.

1113
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,040
So and you know, say that's
where the challenge lies.

1114
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,960
And yeah, like I say, you said
the tick tock guy putting his

1115
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,640
video is up in walls that have,
you know, got huge bows in him

1116
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,960
and stuff like that, that can
actually go back and say, all

1117
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,760
right, well, this is something
that we can enforce through a

1118
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,000
regulatory or a legislative some
some form of function in their

1119
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,520
report.
Whereas, yeah, SA it's a bit

1120
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,080
looser than that.
And you can just, yeah, you can

1121
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,800
identify it, but what happens
from it's a contractual issue.

1122
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,760
I've got a simple example.
I mean, to me it was just a

1123
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,960
short one.
It's one of those ones that

1124
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,640
stuck in my mind as a builder.
I went into this beautiful

1125
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:27,800
architectural, you know, bespoke
high end home in Adelaide and I

1126
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,440
remembered it.
It was a house that I had done

1127
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,640
the assessment on.
I was like, oh wow, this is so

1128
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,400
cool.
I don't know why I remembered,

1129
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,400
but I did.
And I walked in and there was a

1130
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,360
pool and a window overlooking
the pool.

1131
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,760
I've told the story a few times,
so if you've already heard it to

1132
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,880
the to everyone listening I I'm
sorry, but it was a window

1133
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,360
overlooking a pool and there was
a bench adjacent to the living

1134
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,760
kitchen.
Yeah.

1135
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,360
And on the plans, the window was
bench high and above.

1136
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,920
But what they had done in
reality was put a window to the

1137
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,960
floor.
So it was a floor to ceiling

1138
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,640
window that they had actually
built.

1139
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,320
And I said to the builder who
was there, the owner of the

1140
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,440
company, this is not what was on
the on the plans.

1141
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,600
This is not what I assessed.
And did you get an amendment to

1142
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,080
your energy efficiency
assessment?

1143
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,680
And he just kind of looked at me
like I was nuts.

1144
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,920
And he was like, no, why would I
do that?

1145
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,320
What are you talking about?
Right, mate?

1146
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,360
It's always been here.
He's there.

1147
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,760
What are you talking about?
Yeah.

1148
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,920
Yeah.
And I was like this little, a

1149
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,320
few little interactions like
that were what caused me to then

1150
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,480
go into the space I'm in now
because I was, I just thought no

1151
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,400
one, no one, no one picked that
up.

1152
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,920
And even if they did, it
wouldn't have been a thing that

1153
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,040
they changed, You know, the
owner, it probably was just the

1154
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,000
owner.
The owner was like, let's make

1155
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,240
the window all the way to the
floor.

1156
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,280
And the builder was like, sure,
whatever you want, if you want

1157
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,040
to.
Pay for it, I'll.

1158
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,840
Do it, yeah.
And and that's great, but it's

1159
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:50,440
yeah, it was just a just.
A little time.

1160
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,840
Yeah.
So that's those client pressures

1161
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,000
and I could, yeah, I've seen
that with heaps times.

1162
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,320
They're just like, I'll just
talk to client, the customer

1163
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,440
wants that we'll we'll satisfy
them.

1164
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,080
But yeah.
And then that comes to the, the,

1165
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,160
the documentation side of
things.

1166
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,840
And you know that that change
could be drastic, especially

1167
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,960
things like energy efficiency.
This can have all sorts of

1168
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,320
implications.
Exactly.

1169
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,240
That could have sent that house
out of compliance quite easily.

1170
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,640
You know, solar heat gain, solar
heat loss.

1171
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,240
That could have had.
It was a fairly major change.

1172
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,040
It would have had a big impact
and it was to the main living

1173
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,640
area, so it wasn't nothing.
Yeah, that's where we would have

1174
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,720
went.
We would have went back and or

1175
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,680
personally would have been back
and said well, you need to

1176
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,040
update energy efficiency report,
make sure that still complies.

1177
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,600
Give me some structural changes,
give me glazing changes too, if

1178
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,920
there's any.
Yeah, you know, if any

1179
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,560
manufacturers say that is, you
know, you know, it's still

1180
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,920
constructing, you know,
manufacture to the relevant

1181
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,080
standards might not as well to
say, yeah, it's it's the due due

1182
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,280
diligence of the order you'd
assume.

1183
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,520
But hopefully the building
inspector all the solidifier

1184
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,160
coming to you know, do any sort
of mandatory inspection or at

1185
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,960
some you'd assume or I guess
probably this is what SA lacks

1186
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,160
it, but no one's going to come
to a final completion

1187
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,880
inspection.
So that's that's where we lack

1188
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,800
and that's where those changes
going this and yeah go on touch

1189
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,480
and on unheard of until such
time I don't know sale of the

1190
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,800
house maybe or yeah until
someone picks it up.

1191
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,120
I just, yeah, what happens very
it's very common, unfortunately.

1192
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,880
So I.
Didn't actually realize I knew.

1193
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,880
I knew from my discussion with
that certifier.

1194
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,680
I mentioned earlier that NT had
some pretty good inspection

1195
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,000
rules.
Yeah, didn't realize that S like

1196
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,360
other states seem to as well.
And SA is, is very far behind.

1197
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,640
So Australia as a whole is far
behind, you know, the rest of

1198
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:39,000
the world and SA is behind
Australia, so.

1199
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,320
Yeah.
Oh man, that's.

1200
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,160
Socially upsetting?
We're getting there.

1201
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,160
It's all right.
I think what gives us a job, you

1202
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,240
have a job.
There's not enough, there's just

1203
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,040
not enough advocacy, I think in
sort of the regulatory space.

1204
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,600
And, you know, it's just sort of
the governor or policymakers he

1205
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,760
is.
And so, hey, this is the

1206
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,680
important.
It's just equally important as

1207
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,880
every other state.
But yeah, it's for advocates.

1208
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,640
And because to make it look it's
just as important as everyone

1209
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,480
else is, is a challenge.
There are some changes coming up

1210
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,640
in terms of inspections, but
it's that sort of helped leviate

1211
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,760
the regional pressures and the
resources that yeah, all

1212
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,560
regional areas have, especially
any.

1213
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,680
What?
Are they?

1214
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,520
I think they're gonna just
extend the days that people have

1215
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,640
to inspect buildings.
They're trying.

1216
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,800
To so not increasing the number
of inspections.

1217
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,400
No, OK.
Actually, I think it's actually

1218
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:35,680
reducing Indigenous but and
things are well actually the

1219
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,640
final inspection is one that
they're basically because they

1220
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,000
have dwellings have certificate
occupancies for any sort of

1221
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,400
Class 1 dwelling after October
last year.

1222
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,280
So any yeah house is
constructed, you don't actually,

1223
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,800
you know, have to inspect it as
such, but you can rely on things

1224
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,960
like stat deck to say that
things like you Bush fire, water

1225
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,920
supply can be firefighting water
can be supplied by the owner at

1226
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:59,880
six months in track.
I don't know.

1227
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,240
So yeah, it's some interesting
changes there, but.

1228
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,440
Not going to help our subjective
SO.

1229
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,720
Certificate of Occupancy.
It's interesting you mentioned

1230
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,480
that because I had actually
forgotten that one.

1231
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,000
Yeah, it's an interesting one.
Could you explain a little bit

1232
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,280
about that change and what that
means please?

1233
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,240
Yeah, well, it used to be
adopted years ago and they

1234
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,680
removed it because, again,
things like final inspections

1235
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,560
weren't occurring.
Well, just, yeah, it was hard

1236
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,960
for councils and and whatnot to
get out to inspect homes when

1237
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,480
they were completed.
So they essentially canned it

1238
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,280
and then also said that was just
too many, probably too many

1239
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,440
issues in terms of rectification
work and stuff that had to be

1240
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,320
done.
And yeah, look, I'm not, I can't

1241
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,080
sort of clarify exactly what
some of the issues were when

1242
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,720
they removed it, but yeah, they
brought in again and it's not a

1243
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:48,320
bad thing.
What?

1244
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,600
Obviously every other state has
it, but again, who does The Who

1245
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,400
goes out and inspects these
buildings to make sure that

1246
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,360
everything sort of flies is
going to be the challenge.

1247
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,840
And where, yeah, where the
answer lies is is it going to

1248
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,880
function how they intend the
intent behind the legislation or

1249
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,520
is it just going to be one of
those wishy washy documents at

1250
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,840
the end of the the bill to say
that this house is for

1251
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,360
occupation?
Because that's essentially

1252
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,520
that's what you're going to
determine as well because this

1253
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,120
is building occupiable.
Yeah, there might be some

1254
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,240
discrepancies, a few things,
some, some things might not

1255
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,480
comply.
Again, there's been a lot of

1256
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:19,880
talk about the Bush fire,
firefighting.

1257
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,160
Water has been something that,
you know, does the owner have to

1258
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,440
do it?
Does the builder have to do it?

1259
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,360
You know, the builders don't
want to take responsibility of

1260
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,280
it because that means that could
hold up them getting occupancy

1261
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,520
for the House for another six
months.

1262
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,120
And they say, yeah, there's been
a few legislative sort of

1263
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,000
considerations there, but.
But if you leave it up to the

1264
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,880
homeowner, they might not do it
and then the fire comes and then

1265
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,680
they don't have their water.
Supply, I think they sort of say

1266
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,320
if you're in a high Bush ferry,
then yeah, you have to have your

1267
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,920
water supply because obviously
that's beforehand.

1268
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,360
Yeah, before that's.
What your fire services are

1269
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,000
relying on whereas if it's like
general area like it's only for

1270
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,960
water for the occupant of the
house.

1271
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,320
I probably not as in autumn.
But yeah, again, it's just one

1272
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,960
of those things that people are
like well having an issue with

1273
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,840
city.
I can see if there's no fire

1274
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,400
water there and and say yeah,
this that's where the sort of

1275
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,560
arguments I've been, I've been
up and yeah, within this sort of

1276
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,880
very much revealed.
But yeah, I think certificate

1277
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,040
opens is great.
It's yeah, I mean, it's a great

1278
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,440
thing if it's done properly, if
the attempt legislative intent

1279
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,520
is there and we can do 1
inspections to make sure that

1280
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,040
buildings are fit for
occupation, by all means.

1281
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,240
Yeah, if you need to put
certificate at the end of it,

1282
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,480
it's a good idea.
Do you choose when you do your

1283
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,440
inspection?
In SA there's only one mandatory

1284
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,200
inspection.
Do you choose when that is?

1285
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,640
And do you physically have to go
to site or can you just rely on

1286
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,160
photos or a dry fi or or a stack
deck?

1287
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,280
Yeah, you can choose whether
it's, yeah, your footings or

1288
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:50,880
your framing or your sort of
waterproofing.

1289
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,680
So the builder chooses or you
choose.

1290
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,680
Now you choose as if and it's
only for a.

1291
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,440
It's only required by a council
off building inspector on a

1292
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,600
private we might, we might get
engaged to do in many way, but

1293
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,520
you sort of double up regardless
because the council's building

1294
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,120
surveyor has to do.
It's a statutory requirement for

1295
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,000
a council.
So they'll choose.

1296
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,320
But yeah, we can opt like a a
client.

1297
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,080
My mind of mine might say, look,
I want you to come out to every

1298
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,720
mandatory stage, plus I want you
to do a completion 1 and that's

1299
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,880
just them doing their own sort
of additional Yeah, go on above

1300
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,480
and beyond.
So I've got one builder

1301
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,040
actually, he's opted for me to
do every stage inspection plus

1302
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,720
to a completion one, just for
his own reassurance, plus for

1303
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,240
his client's reassurance, which
is good.

1304
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,800
Good, yeah.
His name from the rooftops.

1305
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,880
Yeah, so awesome.
It's it's yeah, very good

1306
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,480
building, very good qualities
generally don't have too many

1307
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,520
issues.
But yeah, it's just vehement to

1308
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,040
reassuring singing for a client,
reassurance in what?

1309
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,680
I don't see why shouldn't say
good.

1310
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,760
On him.
That's awesome.

1311
01:03:52,040 --> 01:04:00,240
But yeah, it's interesting.
So if you had your choice, what

1312
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,360
would be the one change you
would make to help you do your

1313
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,400
job a bit?
Better the big my job, better

1314
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:06,800
probably a few.
I don't know.

1315
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:11,840
First things I think mandatory
inspections should be I think

1316
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,200
private certifiers should be
able to undertake military

1317
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,360
inspections and that be
contributed to what councils are

1318
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,840
required to do.
It makes sense, right?

1319
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,320
Like alleviate the the the
burden like more.

1320
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,400
Think if you're well, because we
become, we become a relevant

1321
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,760
authority for building consent.
So I think we should be the ones

1322
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,480
responsible for all the
inspections throughout that

1323
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,120
build, whether it's 1, you know,
still just one or you do get to

1324
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,000
all of them.
But I think the private

1325
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,880
certifier should benefit from
terms of fees and everything

1326
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,280
that's, you know, issued in that
process too.

1327
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:46,760
And yeah, and Jade, I think they
did talk about saying that like

1328
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,800
councils can accept that a
certificate from a private

1329
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,880
certified to say they've
inspected it and that's, that's

1330
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,560
going to satisfy their
requirements from a council

1331
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,960
perspective too.
So there was some talk about

1332
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,360
that maybe coming in.
But until any of that sort of

1333
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,880
carried out, I think there
should be every stage of the

1334
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,440
construction should be
inspected.

1335
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,640
No difference to Victoria or
yeah, every other state.

1336
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:12,840
A bit of a side quest issue that
I get probably caught up in is

1337
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,360
well, we get frustrated about
with some of the guys as Dempty

1338
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,480
insurance.
I wish that was just removed for

1339
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:22,160
the sheds, but I wish it was
more strict around dwellings and

1340
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,680
some of the warranty around that
for consumers.

1341
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,720
And I think that just really
lacks some of the backbone, some

1342
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,400
backbone to try and protect
customers and and whatnot down

1343
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,440
the track, especially out of the
media straightening and stuff

1344
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:40,040
from TikTok inspector.
I'm hoping to get him on as a

1345
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,160
guest.
I've been emailing his

1346
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:42,800
assistant.
Yeah, right, eh.

1347
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,000
Oh, no.
Yeah, right.

1348
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,040
Eh, September, October.
I've got it penciled in for a

1349
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,440
recording.
Fingers crossed.

1350
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,040
Yeah, I spoke to him not long
ago, actually offered me a job

1351
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:52,360
in South.
Really.

1352
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:57,080
Yeah, He goes, oh, you'd he
said, oh, you want to measure me

1353
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,840
on the you know, I think he was
like, oh, you know, do you do

1354
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,000
work for such a chance?
Yeah.

1355
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,160
You guys would you want a job?
Because we, we got a lot of

1356
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,760
customers inquiring.
I was like, oh, I'd love to, but

1357
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,600
you know this, yeah, at this
stage in my life, I was a

1358
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:08,480
Councilman.
Yeah.

1359
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,720
Just couldn't take it on.
But that would have been.

1360
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,360
I said to me, I'm not filming
anything I like.

1361
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:14,880
I don't want to be on camera and
stuff like that.

1362
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,800
But he's like, no, no, no, no
filming, mate.

1363
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,280
But yeah.
So hopefully, yeah, maybe I'd

1364
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,760
love to listen to that podcast
if you get in my.

1365
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:22,800
Name.
Yeah, yeah, hopefully an.

1366
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,360
Interesting dude so.
Yeah, yeah.

1367
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,880
But yeah, I think the probably
on I, there's a couple of things

1368
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,960
I'd sort of touched on, I'd
probably touch on before as

1369
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,240
well.
In terms of thermal performance,

1370
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,320
energy efficiency, I think that
needs a serious upgrade.

1371
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,240
I can't, I don't understand why
we keep prolonging it.

1372
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:45,920
And you know, inside Australia
in 6-7 stars really an energy

1373
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,800
efficient home.
And I think that's yeah, we

1374
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,760
really like the thermal
performance in our homes and

1375
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,960
companies like itself keep
advocating and keep educating

1376
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,240
people.
I think more and we'll see focus

1377
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,560
on energy efficiency moving
forward, hopefully.

1378
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,160
You know, obviously, being in my
own home just shot at 12 months,

1379
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,800
I'm pretty frustrated and pretty
disappointed with how Paul this

1380
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,000
house.
Yeah, I have all performances in

1381
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:14,080
this house to to be honest, say.
And but actually, it's funny,

1382
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,960
last night I went to if you ever
heard, have you had a Shine Hub,

1383
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,760
the solar maybe City of Mitchum.
So, you know, like City of

1384
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,280
Mitchum collaborated with this
company with Shine Hub, and they

1385
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,960
essentially offer solar and
battery packages and they

1386
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,200
utilize the virtual power plant
technology.

1387
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,120
So I don't know if you heard of
that BPP.

1388
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,080
Essentially what they do is,
yeah, you get your solar, your

1389
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,320
battery connected up to your
house, and they can draw power

1390
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,640
out of your battery and
distribute it around your

1391
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,480
community.
So essentially you become your

1392
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,240
own renewable energy source.
So when you're producing too

1393
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,120
much or you've got, you know, a
full battery they can draw at a

1394
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,560
certain percent, you get rebated
back on that.

1395
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,520
So instead of your retailer
rebate, you're like about $0.10

1396
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,760
a kilowatt, bugger all.
You get a dollar, a bit over a

1397
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,400
dollar back for it per kilowatt
that you generate.

1398
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,760
So it's pretty significant.
Significant.

1399
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,120
Yeah, and obviously central
energy efficiency laws helps you

1400
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,800
out too.
So we went to a thing last night

1401
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,640
in for session at the town hall
and yeah, now I've signed up to

1402
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,680
a cool 8.8 kilowatt system with
a battery and inverter and

1403
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,880
stuff, so.
Yeah, well, that should.

1404
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,040
That should take the sting out
of your electricity bills.

1405
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,800
Oh.
I'm sorry, I don't think this

1406
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,080
is, yeah, I can't, can't kind of
argue with the quality of it and

1407
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,600
stuff like that.
But yeah, it was it's just just

1408
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,800
lacks that this things that
there'll be more attention and

1409
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,359
yeah, yeah, I hope that, you
know, companies like quite

1410
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:37,640
mature on that do get involved a
lot more in terms of the term

1411
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,359
performance of their homes and
energy efficiency displays

1412
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:42,560
because it just needs needs more
education in it.

1413
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,960
Yeah, well, invite your builder
when I come down.

1414
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,920
Yeah, absolutely, yes.
Bring them up and say come and

1415
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,720
come along, we've got some stuff
to talk about.

1416
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,880
We need to have a chat buddy
because I need to talk about the

1417
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,840
wrap on our ES.
That's all right.

1418
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,439
All right.
Well, I think we're coming to

1419
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,120
the end of our chat now, Jake,
But I do have one final question

1420
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,760
for you that I ask everybody
that comes on the podcast, and

1421
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,560
that is if there was one thing
you want the listener to know

1422
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,880
out of everything in your career
that you have learned, you know,

1423
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,319
good, bad or otherwise, what
would that be?

1424
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,160
Is it a?
Is it personal, professional or

1425
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,160
is it more like like as I could
chew one for all sorts to be?

1426
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,120
You know what, it can be
anything.

1427
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,840
I've had all sorts.
Generally people go for

1428
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,560
professional advice, but if
you've got something really

1429
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,680
important that you have learned
in your personal life that you'd

1430
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,439
like the listener to know, then
that can be included too.

1431
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,120
I think just given the fact that
I have probably had a lot of, I

1432
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,720
don't know, personal issues
occur and sort of Matt like the

1433
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,800
how the universe has sort of
manifested me to more position

1434
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,760
where I'm now.
I think for one people to know

1435
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,040
one thing, it's just that life's
pretty unpredictable and that's

1436
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,080
all right though.
It's OK.

1437
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,000
You don't have to.
You don't have to have it all

1438
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,880
figured out.
It's OK to feel uncomfortable.

1439
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,080
It's OK to ask dumb questions,
not to be perfect.

1440
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,160
What matters that show up,
create your taste and keep

1441
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,840
pushing towards the things that
generally genuinely feel you.

1442
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,960
After going through my sort of
health scares, my my whole

1443
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,840
perspective and life changed
pretty profoundly.

1444
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:18,240
So, you know, to be in positions
where I'm now, to be able to,

1445
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,160
you know, be in a position that
gets to have an impact on the

1446
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,240
community, have an impact on
people's lives and the future of

1447
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,160
people's lives.
And to me, I'm just incredibly

1448
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,680
grateful.
Stop wasting energy.

1449
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,960
The things that matter and pay
attention to what actually

1450
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,320
drives you and what makes you
feel alive.

1451
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,240
So yeah, things like this make
me feel alive.

1452
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:39,920
And if I can spread my voice and
dribbles and shit to to a

1453
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,960
community of lot of my lot of
kind individuals and by myself,

1454
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,880
yeah, I'll jump at every chance
and say, yeah, just extremely

1455
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,800
grateful say.
Yeah, well, that's what this

1456
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,440
podcast is all about, Dribbling
shit.

1457
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,960
Dribbling shit, passionate shit.
That's that's different.

1458
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,840
Yeah.
Thank you, Jake.

1459
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,760
Yeah, that was no worries A.
Fantastic final tip and a great

1460
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,280
conversation.
Thank you for your time.

1461
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,520
Thank you very much, Jess.
Thanks for your time to eat and

1462
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,960
yeah, all the best and look
forward to seeing you.

1463
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:10,400
October Sounds.
Good.

1464
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,000
Thanks.
Jake Alright, see ya.

1465
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:18,240
That is all for today.
Thanks so much for tuning in.

1466
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,080
There's a link in the episode
description where you can head

1467
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,640
to a landing page, and there are
some show notes there with

1468
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,760
relevant links and a full
transcript of the show as well,

1469
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,840
and also links to my socials.
So if you're not already, I'd

1470
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,400
love for you to follow along
there too as I share lots of

1471
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,440
building science and building
biology tips.

1472
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,120
Thanks again.
I'll be back in two weeks, so

1473
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,080
until then, happy healthy
building.