"The Fidelke Faux Pas" - Target's CEO Succession Controversy | Fast Five Shorts
Target names Michael Fiddelke as next CEO in a move that's sparking industry debate. Sponsored by the A&M Consumer and Retail Group, Mirakl, Ocampo Capital, Infios, and Quorso, Shoptalk’s Ben Miller joined Chris and Anne to break down why this internal succession might be the wrong move for the struggling retailer.
Chris argues this could be "The Fiddelke Faux Pas" while Anne offers a contrarian view on why an internal candidate might be Target's only hope.
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Speaker AWe teased it last week.
Speaker AChris had a big article that he put out over the weekend.
Speaker ATarget has named Michael Fidelke, its current Chief Operating officer, as its next CEO.
Speaker AAccording to CNBC, Fidelke is the company's 49 year old chief Operating officer and former Chief Financial officer and will succeed Brian Cornell effective February 1st of 2026.
Speaker ACornell, who took the helm of the chief cheap chic retailer in 2014, will transition to the role of executive chair on Target's Board of directors.
Speaker AFidelke laid out three priorities.
Speaker AOne, re establishing Target's reputation as a retailer with stylish and unique items.
Speaker ATwo, providing a more consistent customer experience and three, using technology more effectively to operate an efficient business.
Speaker AChris, we're going to go to you first because this is the put you on the spot question from the A and M consumer and retail group.
Speaker AThey want to get this show started off right and address the elephant in the room.
Speaker ACEO succession plans can be difficult regardless of credentials as a Target lifer.
Speaker ACan Michael Fidelke emerge from Brian Cornell's legacy and change the trajectory of Target, especially with Brian Cornell still on the board?
Speaker AOr should the next CEO have been from outside the company to kickstart a fresh perspective on Target strategy?
Speaker BOh, wow, that's a great question, candidly.
Speaker BAnd I said in my article over the weekend, you know, I, I think it's, I think it's the wrong move, you know, and I, I, I'm kind of more excited to hear what you guys have to say because I feel like I penned my thoughts pretty, pretty diligently and robustly in the article I put forward on the weekend, like you said, Anne, but you know, I'm going, so I'll make this quick.
Speaker BBut I think what I'm, I'm going to coin the phrase here that this is going to be the Fidelki faux pas.
Speaker BThat's the new term I'm going to use because I think in the long run this whole move could be embarrassing for every single party involved.
Speaker BIt could be embarrassing for Fidelke, it could be embarrassing for the board, and it's definitely going to be embarrassing for Cornell, I think, because not only is it the wrong move, but it's also a move to me that says far more about Cornell than it does about Fidelke.
Speaker BSo, you know, Cornell, I've been talking about it ad nauseum on this show for the past three years.
Speaker BHis track record is subpar, you know, excluding the two years of the pandemic, particularly what has he really accomplished when you look at the numbers why is Target better positioned to succeed than when he took over in the long run?
Speaker BWhere are the growth strategies?
Speaker BI still can't name them.
Speaker BI looked through the earnings report again this week.
Speaker BI still can't find them.
Speaker BAnd what worries me is that Cornell is also not going anywhere.
Speaker BHe's still the executive chairman.
Speaker BAnd this didn't strike me until, you know, preparing for this, too.
Speaker BHe doesn't even leave until February.
Speaker BHe's still enrolled until February 1st.
Speaker BThat's a half year away, which is just the holiday.
Speaker AThat's the big thing, right?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYou got to still go through the crux of the retail season here, too.
Speaker BSo I don't know.
Speaker BSo then you got to ask yourself, why would Cornell do this?
Speaker BAnd I think the only answer I can come up with, and people may not like it, or they may, but I think it's protected to protect his legacy.
Speaker BThe last thing he wants.
Speaker BThe last thing Cornell wants is someone external coming in and showing him up, because then he can't write the memoir like all his CEO friends.
Speaker BAnd this avoids that.
Speaker BIt also gives him someone now to share accountability with.
Speaker BSo, you know, is Fidelke the best internal candidate?
Speaker BProbably, but he runs operations.
Speaker BOperations haven't been going well.
Speaker BAnd what worries me the most, and this is something I didn't put in the article overtly, which I probably should have, is that is that we could put as many pictures of stores and empty shelves as we want on social media, and people have been doing that, so the cows come home.
Speaker BBut I think the more important mark on this regime is actually their digital performance.
Speaker BThe fact that their digital performance in the last quarter was only 4%, that is not even keeping pace with the market.
Speaker BAnd it's the same cast of characters, particularly with Fidelki at the helm, that are.
Speaker BThat have been responsible for that and seemingly still are responsible for that.
Speaker BSo that's why I question this move.
Speaker BIt just doesn't seem to make sense.
Speaker BAnd I 100% agree, or I don't know if I agree.
Speaker BBut to answer A and M's question, I think they should have gone external.
Speaker ASure.
Speaker ABen, what are you hearing?
Speaker AAnd, you know, Chris and I are obviously very close to Target, having worked there, both of us.
Speaker ABut what are your perspectives and what are you.
Speaker AWhat else are you hearing in the industry?
Speaker COh, thanks, Anne.
Speaker CAnd it's been, you know, it's been nice to have a week since this story broke to.
Speaker COn it and.
Speaker CAnd to read a lot of commentary.
Speaker CYou know, there's been an awful lot published.
Speaker CI thought if people haven't read Chris's blog, it's a great read.
Speaker CIt's very well written.
Speaker CWhether you agree or not, it's very well written and very.
Speaker CAnd really insightful.
Speaker CSo well done.
Speaker CChris.
Speaker CThank you for taking the time to.
Speaker CTo put your thoughts.
Speaker CAnd I think the first reflection I've had is the sheer volume reflects the passion that exists around the retailer.
Speaker CIt's really clear that Target is a brand that means a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker CEverybody's got a view, everybody wants to have a view.
Speaker CAnd I think I'm one of those.
Speaker CWhen Target's good, it's great, it's exciting, it brings design to mass.
Speaker CIt's been an incredible platform for exciting brands to launch and to scale.
Speaker CSo first up, I wish the team all the best in.
Speaker CIn the turnaround.
Speaker CHowever, that takes place on Fidelka.
Speaker CI've only met him once.
Speaker CThat was a shop Talk Spring in 23.
Speaker CWhen he spoke, he was a pleasure to deal with.
Speaker CHe was great on stage, if any, if you or any of the listeners can remember.
Speaker CThe room was absolutely packed.
Speaker CIt was clear he was the nominated successor.
Speaker CSo, look, I have nothing but positive perceptions from that one engagement.
Speaker CBut that doesn't make it look.
Speaker CThat's absolutely no foundation for me to judge whether it'll be a good CEO or not.
Speaker CSo, yeah, I'm not going to.
Speaker CI think it's important to not underestimate the difference between being an executive and being a CEO.
Speaker CIt's a completely different job.
Speaker CAnd sometimes you just don't know until the person's enrolled.
Speaker CYou just don't know.
Speaker CI guess what I probably would share is a personal reflection and that I talked a little bit in my introduction about my career.
Speaker CI've spent most of my career traveling backwards and forwards across the Atlantic, being in and out of stores in both the US And Europe, with one notable exception, and that was I was in New York in February 2020.
Speaker CI was meeting retailers, I was meeting with brands.
Speaker CI had coffee with Joe Laszlo and then bang, I didn't.
Speaker CI wasn't in the US again until grocery shop in 22.
Speaker CThat was just shy of three years.
Speaker CSo I didn't live through the pandemic in the us.
Speaker CI got this view of the world before and then suddenly the world after.
Speaker CAnd when I, when I came, flew out to Vegas for grocery shop in 22, the first thing I did was go out and see some stores.
Speaker CAnd there was, there was two, there was two operators that shocked me about how much worse their customer experience had got.
Speaker CDuring that period, from having that before and after contrast, one was Target and the other was Starbucks.
Speaker CThe in store standards of both had really deteriorated.
Speaker CAnd then from there they got worse.
Speaker CAnd I know rather than being part of a gradual change, I got to see this quite upfront.
Speaker CAnd I guess what I'm pleased about is that both those retailers have recognized that they weren't serving their customers well enough.
Speaker CThe situation had to get worse from there, but they're both turning around.
Speaker CSo I guess to come back to the A and M question, I think Starbucks is a cautionary tale for us all about getting too excited too early about an external hire.
Speaker CTurnarounds like this, huge brands take time.
Speaker CThey need a huge amount of patience and they need a huge amount of goodwill.
Speaker CAnd if Fidelki can get that goodwill going and can get his team on side, then he's got a chance.
Speaker CBut he's got a phenomenal amount to right connect.
Speaker CI don't underestimate the challenge that lies ahead.
Speaker CSo I think obviously time will tell if he's the right hire or not.
Speaker CI don't think there is a playbook of whether it should be external or internal.
Speaker CIt comes down to individual all, and you've got to find out.
Speaker CI mean, the final thing I'll say is it will come as probably no surprise to you both that we have got cobbles in with both the Target team and the Starbucks team, inviting both Brian and Michael to keynote at Shop Talk next year.
Speaker CSo yes, if any of their personal teams are listening and that invite hasn't hit their desks yet, then just ping me on LinkedIn.
Speaker CBut I think we all want to know what is the strategy?
Speaker CBecause there has to be more than those three big bullet points you put out on a video on social media.
Speaker CRight?
Speaker AI agree and I appreciate your perspective, both of you.
Speaker AAnd Ben, I think you called out a lot of really good points there.
Speaker AThere is a big turnaround at hand and I'm gonna just offer a slightly different perspective because I think it's easy to throw this decision under the bus, to throw Fidelki under the bus, to dismiss him as the media has been because he's an internal candidate.
Speaker ABut let me just play devil, devil's advocate here and say, what if Fidelke is the only person who can care, who can turn this brand around?
Speaker ANot to mention he's boots on the ground in Minneapolis.
Speaker AThe same couldn't have been said for Cornell.
Speaker AFidelke has been there his entire career and it's not the decision that people wanted or expected.
Speaker AIt's not going to be easy.
Speaker AHe's going to have to say some hard things and make some hard decisions with peers that he's grown up with within the organization, which is a big question mark, as a former Targeteer and mentor of mine said to me this week.
Speaker ABut I just wonder if, if you brought in an external candidate, would they give Target their, their entire selves to make this transformation?
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker AI don't know that I could see that happening.
Speaker AAnd so my question and my hope for Target and for fidelity is that he's seen Targets good, he's seen what it can be and now he's in a position still with Cornell at the head of the board, but he's in the position to start making some of these decisions.
Speaker AAnd I really, truly hope for the sake of all of those people still at Target, all the people who love shopping the brand, that he's the one person who has the experience to make the brand what great again and what it really can be.
Speaker AAnd especially if he can focus on, on bringing that design perspective and point of view that Target has lost throughout the years.
Speaker BBen, what do you think on that?
Speaker BI mean, I have a lot of thoughts on what.
Speaker BAnd just said what do you think there before I.
Speaker CBefore.
Speaker CI know.
Speaker CI think a lot of what Ann says makes a lot of sense.
Speaker CA lot of sense.
Speaker CAnd you can believe in that.
Speaker CI think the point about you've seen Target when it's good and how to get back to this because when I did those store visits that first day in Vegas, the one retailer that stood out to me that was so much better coming out the pandemic in terms of in store standards, in terms of operations, in terms of proposition was Walmart.
Speaker CSo what happened during that time is Walmart went one way and Target went the other.
Speaker CTarget's opportunity now is to be the best Target it can be.
Speaker CNot try and copy Walmart or try and copy.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker CAnd how can it find the best Target?
Speaker CBecause there's a, there's a gap in the market for that.
Speaker CIt's just about chasing the right things and you know, a leader who understands that could be well placed.
Speaker CI have my reservations.
Speaker CI think the city and the street haven't been excited but you know, post 3, 4% comms in the next quarterlies and they'll be fine.
Speaker CSo, you know, I think, I think you've just got to see what he can do and how he can bring the team along in the way you say I'm.
Speaker BMy only caveat with what you said though, Ann, is like, I think, I think we're lowering the bar of expectations if it's just based on who cares about getting the job, like, and who cares about the brand.
Speaker BLike there's a lot of people that meet that qualification.
Speaker BAnd I can name X people at Target that are now at other companies that are doing well, that have more merchandising and digital experience than Fidelke does.
Speaker BAnd I'm curious if they got a sniff at by the board.
Speaker BI'm curious.
Speaker BThere's been a lot of comments on social media about how long this external search actually happened, if it did in fact happen.
Speaker BSo like that's where I'm like, yeah, I can see what you're saying.
Speaker BBut like that bar is really, really low.
Speaker BIf that's all we're basing this judgment on.
Speaker BYou know, again with the other point being what's been happening at the company with the people in the roles that they've been in, like they've been the ones in charge of this.
Speaker BAnd so I don't know, that's, that's just my one, my one caveat with what you said.
Speaker BBut you, I give you the last word and then we'll move on.
Speaker AYeah, I think meaning the only, the only counterpoint I'd say is, you know, Fidelity wasn't the CEO, you know, it was a, it was a, he was part of the executive team but he wasn't the one making the final decision.
Speaker AAnd so my, my hope is again, like if he's in role, he has a big, big task ahead of him.
Speaker AAnd I don't want to diminish the point of like he's grown up with all the other people who are in the executive roles right now at Target.
Speaker ALike it's not going to be easy to tell those people in merchandising, in marketing, in you know, ops and supply chain the hard truths to get Target to where it's not going to, it's going, it's got to be.
Speaker ABut you know, can, can he do that?
Speaker AAnd if he can, hopefully it, it's a, it's the last hope for the brand.
Speaker BBut again, if we're giving dispensation for that conversation, that's a, that's a red flag to me too because every CEO should be able to have that conversation, which another mentor mine said, like the other point would be is this a job that's just too big for a first time CEO?
Speaker BLike that, that's a legitimate question too.
Speaker BI think Ford should be asking as well, like, do you need to know how to be a CEO to run target given the challenges that are in front of it, especially from a growth standpoint.
Speaker BThat's another thing that I think needs to be looked at.