Fast Five Shorts | Will Starbucks' New Hiring Procedures Lead To Their Intended Consequences?
This segment on the Retail Fast Five podcast, sponsored by the A&M Consumer and Retail Group, Simbe, Mirakl, Infios, Clear Demand, and Ocampo Capital, analyzes Starbucks' hiring transformation under CEO Brian Niccol.
Starbucks adds district managers to barista hiring decisions as part of experience improvements. Chris sees it as a culture message but fears operational issues remain unsolved, while Anne advocates for automation first, comparing it to Chick-fil-A's efficient model where human interaction focuses on key moments.
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Starbucks is retooling the baristas hiring process as its transformation continues.
Speaker AAccording to msn, Starbucks Corporation has increased the level of screening of external applications for the chain's new baristas.
Speaker AThe screening process now includes being reviewed by district managers in addition to the manager of the store where they're applying, sources tipped Bloomberg.
Speaker ADistrict managers were noted to normally oversee about 10 locations that were not previously part of the hiring process for each storage store.
Speaker AThe change coincides with an effort by Starbucks Chief Executive Officer Brian Nichol to increase staffing at the coffee chain in a reversal of past years when the average number of workers at stores was reduced.
Speaker ANotably, Starbucks has said that nearly all of its more than 10,000 company operated locations in the US will have more workers by the end of September.
Speaker AChris, you may have realized from its absence thus far, but the this is also the A and M spot question.
Speaker AHere it is.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker AWhat could be confused as a small internal process change for Starbucks seems to be indicative of larger strategic shifts back toward experience as a differentiator.
Speaker AAs Starbucks loyalists, do you think an elevated front end hiring profile is necessary?
Speaker AThink Enterprise vs. Hertz.
Speaker AOr is delivering an under 4 minute wait time and your name and a fanciful phrase written on your cup enough?
Speaker BOh man, that's a good question.
Speaker BAnd there's a lot of layers to that question.
Speaker BAnd I know you and I, you and I disagree on the elevated experience versus throughput argument.
Speaker BBut you know, with that said, like just this week, I think it was yesterday or two days ago, the low price chain out of China, Luckin, just entered the market in, in New York.
Speaker BSo yeah, so Starbucks, Starbucks, in my mind, I have no idea how formidable that's going to be.
Speaker BBut it's a huge chain in China.
Speaker BSo Starbucks in my mind has to differentiate on something other than throughp.
Speaker BBecause even throughput in my latest Starbucks experience is questionable.
Speaker BThey're not doing that well.
Speaker BLike I went in there the other day, there were 30 drinks on the counter waiting for pickup.
Speaker BSo something's still not working right.
Speaker BSo you know, with this headline, nickel, he clearly seems to be sending a message to field leadership that you are accountable for hiring culture and attitude, which is also something that in my recent experiences has been missing.
Speaker BI'll say that point blank.
Speaker BBut, but, but my fear is because I lived through this same type of edict at Target back when I was in stores, we were told we had to interview three levels down as district leaders.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker BYeah, we did.
Speaker BI.
Speaker BSo we had to interview all store managers.
Speaker BAll, all level below store Manager and every level below them.
Speaker AStore manager.
Speaker AMakes sense.
Speaker ABut every.
Speaker ALike a cashier, you have to.
Speaker BI mean, no, I wasn't a cashier.
Speaker BSo there was.
Speaker BI had to interview store managers, what's called executive team leaders, which is like kind of a assistant manager.
Speaker BAnd then like the.
Speaker BAnd then the team leader, which is an hourly.
Speaker BSo the two.
Speaker BTwo were salaried.
Speaker BAnd then I had to interview the team leaders as well.
Speaker AOkay, so.
Speaker BAnd.
Speaker BAnd as a district manager, this is your most important job, is hiring.
Speaker BSo I don't know how many levels down they're actually having to interview, but if it is three levels, it gets really unsustainable really fast.
Speaker BBut it does send a message.
Speaker BBut the issue for me is, is that the baristas at the end of the day just seem too overworked to be keeping up with mobile orders.
Speaker BSo you can hire happy, fun, outgoing people, but days upon days of drowning from the morning pickup rush wipes the smiles off everyone's face really fast.
Speaker BSo the.
Speaker BSo the problem is actually at the end of the day, throughput first, then service.
Speaker BYou have to solve one before the other, which it appears Nikola is trying to, but it doesn't appear he's trying to do that.
Speaker BSo he might not ultimately accomplish anything.
Speaker BThat's at least my fear anyway.
Speaker BLike, you're putting so much emphasis on the in store experience, but you can't get it back until you solve the amount of demand coming through the box.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker AI completely agree.
Speaker AI mean, this got me thinking about, number one, what you just said.
Speaker ALike, you have to get throughput, right?
Speaker AYou have to be able to make those coffees to answer A and M's question, you have to be able to get me the coffee in four minutes or less or I'm not going to, period.
Speaker AIt doesn't matter how many locations, like, and, you know, I don't care about the experience.
Speaker AI'm more about like, does my coffee taste the same how I want it every single time?
Speaker AAnd how quickly can I get in and out?
Speaker ABecause I'm not going there for the experience.
Speaker ABut the.
Speaker AThat leads me to think about like chick Fil A.
Speaker AYou think about your chick Fil A experience.
Speaker AYou pull up, you have a really pleasant interaction with somebody who helps you with your order.
Speaker AAnd I never see the co.
Speaker AThe.
Speaker AThe chicken sandwiches being made because they're handed out, out to me, you know, either in the drive through or somebody walks it out to me.
Speaker AThose are the interactions at the front and back end of the experience that are meaningful to me.
Speaker AIf they were making everything by robot inside.
Speaker AIt wouldn't make a bit of difference to me as long as the order is consistent.
Speaker AAnd I think that's what Starbucks needs to think about here.
Speaker AAre you able to have the automation down so that your role for the humans in your experience is just for that interaction for the.
Speaker AFor making sure that they put your order in correctly, that you're going to get that consistency that you're looking for every time.
Speaker AAnd bringing more people in power into this just doesn't seem to me like it's going to fix the problem.
Speaker AIt's got to be automation first, I think.
Speaker AAnd then working on.
Speaker ASure.
Speaker AHow do you make sure that you're bringing in people that are going to liven people's day and create that experience?
Speaker BWell, I would go a little bit further.
Speaker BI don't even know if it's automation per se, but it's operational design change, you know, like, because we've talked about how much can you automate the coffee production process?
Speaker BYou know, I think there are limits to that and in the food production process too.
Speaker BBut, like, when I started hearing you talk, like, the issue could be like, how the stores are laid out, how much is front of house versus how much is back of house.
Speaker BYour point about Chick Fil A, how much do you need to see the coffee being made versus, like your grande Americano or your tall latte just comes out a door and it's ready for you and waiting in a very easily findable slot, you know, versus now.
Speaker BLike, I have to search through 30 different cups to even know if mine's there.
Speaker BAnd.
Speaker BAnd then I'm like, I found one, but I didn't find the other.
Speaker BAnd I don't know, did you make mine or am I still waiting for it?
Speaker BI don't know who to ask.
Speaker BLike, it's just crazy.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo, like.
Speaker BBut when I think about it like that, and I think the challenges, if that's what it's going to take, the challenges in some ways seem insurmountable from an operational design perspective.
Speaker BAnd you just throw people at this, like he's doing, or you throw an emphasis on culture, you're just going to piss people off in the long run and you're going to dissatisfy a lot more workers because they're never going to meet your standards.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AI mean, especially a district manager here.
Speaker ALike, why are you putting the district manager towards this?
Speaker ALike that to me, tells me as a store manager somewhere else.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ALike, and then you're taking these people who are so valuable to innovation, understanding the whole, like, landscape of stores and what's going on in each one, and how you can make improvements to processes across a multitude of stores.
Speaker ALike, let your store managers who live and work in the community, let them figure out, like, what the vibe is and what the people are like that should be coming into their stores.
Speaker AThis feels like very short sighted leadership.
Speaker BSo, yeah, that was always my, that was always my pushback at Target, too.
Speaker BI was like, I hire the people to hire the people that they need, and if they're not doing that, then I'm going to get rid of those people.
Speaker BI shouldn't have to be involved in double checking their hiring process.
Speaker BWhich is, that's, that's why this gets a little frustrating for me, too.
Speaker BLike, I just don't like that either.
Speaker BBut anyway.