Y la Virgen se apareció

0:07 I actually said hello to everyone, like it' s there. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, his journalist, writer and director of the Night of Mystery program on Caracol Radio. In the year 1, 500 thirty- one, a Mexican indigenous Juan Diego, met a woman on the hill of Tepeyac who told him that she was the Virgin Mary. He had four encounters with him and in one of those encounters there was a proof that everyone knew that what had happened there was true in a tilma, in a cloth woven by the indigenous people, the figure of the Virgin was impregnated and from there began the mysteries, the riddles and the miracles, since that tilma had to have rotted maximum. Twenty years later, however, this tilma continues to be venerated today in the Oxyric of the Virgin of Guadalupe, there in Mexico. I do not know why the Virgin, the Mother of God, appears to give us a message that is of faith and hope, to remind us that as dark as it is all, there is always a light that breaks that darkness, and not only Guadalupe, but, for example, also in Lourdes, where Bernardez, her virus, a girl performed a miracle in front of all those who were thanks to the intercession of the Virgin, caused a water that

1:37 is miraculous and that has cured hundreds and thousands of pilgrims who have gone there. But if you want to know about this and much more, do not miss the last night podcast of mystery on Caracol Radio and the Virgin appeared fighting and mystery Juan Jesús Vallejo. On the night of April 2nd of the year nineteen hundred and sixty- eight, the Egyptian mechanic Farith Mohamed was working in a mechanical workshop in the Zeitm neighborhood of Cairo, a popular neighborhood, a poor neighborhood of which is the second largest city in Africa, with more than twenty million inhabitants. He was working but practically with one hand alone, since the other hand had pinched a finger days before and due to the conditions of hygiene tampaupérrimas, his finger was cangrenated. The next day he had to go to be amputated and while they were working with that lonely hand, specifically, fixing a bus along with other companions, he looked up and saw in the

3:10 small church across the street, in the Church of Santa Maria, a woman who was walking through the dome of the mechanical church went out into the street to scream, thinking that that was a woman who wanted to take her life. The woman was dressed in a white robe and radiated a very strange light before the cries of Farit Mohamed. The priest who was present in the church, the father, came out, and when he came to the street, he began to shout miracle miracle. The virgin is with us. Within a few seconds, that figure vanished from there and for three years followed these apparitions in Santa Maria de Zeitum, I repeat, a very humble neighborhood of Cairo.

4:21 The next day, Fari Mohamed went to the doctor on April 3rd of a thousand nine hundred and sixty- eight to see if his finger could be amputated. When the doctor removed the gauze that covered the finger he had, he had a can grinado. Faced with everyone' s surprise, the wound had healed. From that moment on, thousands of people went every night to this small street in the neighborhood of Ceitm hoping to see the virgin. And it was, in particular, the 18th of April of the year nineteen hundred and sixty- eight that this news became known worldwide. And it was that 18th of April because a Wazir photographer Rick, at three forty a m, was waiting there. It was all morning, there were thousands of people.

5:25 Nothing had happened at all and all of a sudden Wazir Rick tells that the whole crowd began to perceive a smell of roses. People were starting to swirl. Suddenly. They say that they began to look like a kind of doves of light in the sky and before the astonishment of thousands and thousands of people, the virgin reappeared. They say just as she was a woman in a white robe, who radiated a light different from any light we have ever seen and who, when she appeared just for a couple of minutes, moved her hands as if she were blessing those present. Wathierrick had an accident a year ago. On June 27th of a thousand nine hundred and sixty- seven crashed with his car and his left arm was completely and absolutely shattered. The doctor who operated on him, Sharif Bechara, told him I' m very sorry.

6:44 We almost had to amputate you. Your arm was able to save him, but your nerves are shattered and, unfortunately, you' ve lost mobility on that left arm. The fact is that a year later, that night of April 13, one thousand nine hundred and sixty- eight, when Watzirrick, who was a professional photographer, set the camera tripo, adjusted the target when he was seeing the Virgin and shot. He says that, without realizing it, he moved his left arm to take the bag in which he was carrying the camera. Wathirrick' s arm was healed forever. Wazir Rig' s photograph of the apparition of St Mary of Zitun of the Virgin appeared even in such prestigious media worldwide as that of New York Times. From there it was madness in Egypt. Every night they went to the neighborhood of Zeitún to stand in front of the Church of Santa Maria Docenas and once more than 100, 000 people came to the house. Egyptian President Abdul abdel Nasser Abdulna was very angry about this problem of public disorder and, moreover, because he was very socialist, he hated quite everything that had to do with Christianity. Angry

8:18 had the whole neighborhood of Zeitún cut off light and some nights even from all of Cairo. However, that lady in white, wrapped in a robe that radiated a light as we have never seen before, continued to appear in the midst of the total and absolute darkness of the Zeitm quarter and the miracles continued. For example, a woman healed of cancer in her neck. A doctor who was diabetic lost his chronic illness. A book was written compiling everything that happened and all the miracles called like for Heaven the light of heaven the church of St Mary of Zeitum in one of the most humble neighborhoods of Cairo.

9:16 I think I' ve been there more than 20 times. Always good. You know something about an author' s trip. Whenever I go to Cairo, I take the people who come with me, I take them to Santa Maria de Zeitum. There are no tourists, there are only faithful Copts. As I repeat state of infinity. Sometimes there were very curious masses because the women put to the left, the men to the right, the children, running on absolutely all sides and the images of faith of love, peace and hope that I have had the luck to contemplate in Santa Maria de Zeitún, I assure you that they are able to make any human being overtake each other.

10:03 I am not a Christian, I am not a Catholic, and whenever I go to St Mary of Zeitún, I feel a peace as I have rarely felt in my life. When I go with the people who accompany me, I have seen everything I remember once, sir I will not say the Mexican name. He lived, he lives in America. He' s knee - deep, he' s been praying. When we left the church, he gave me wine to get me he gave me a hug and Juange told me he had not prayed for more than fifteen years. When I' ve been here, I don' t wonder why I got on my knee.

10:45 He asked God for forgiveness, and when I get to America, I' m going to find my mother to give her a hug. I don' t know what' s behind the Marian apparitions, but for me that figure of life is totally and absolutely ancestral. In the figure that collects the power of our mother' s love, the power of the love of the earth, of the ancient cock, the giver of life, very special places that are marked with a very special energy that is difficult to describe and often more difficult to understand, but I assure you that there exists what one feels in the Church of Saint Mary of Zitún, in one of the most humble neighborhoods of Cairo is something unique, something that transports you and connects you with the energy of creation, of life that only women possess, or the spirit of rooster on our earth, a magical world that reminds us that life always there is a light, that we will always have someone who will love us, that someone will always support us, that love is the most powerful force that exists in the universe. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want

12:16 to follow me on social networks, on my twitter is Juan ge Vallejo, Juan j de Vallejo, on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery journalism. We put the facts on the table and you decide what' s behind it and what' s not. The story of the apparitions of Santa Maria de Feitm The Coptic Church sent a research committee. He never found any fraud until the Catholic Church became interested, so he spent those three years in Santa Maria Deizitum Os, I repeat, one of the most special places that I have been lucky enough to step on in my life. You know what I do. Author' s travel. All the information is available on the website.

13:07 After trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com I repeat, after trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com this year, from September 22nd, to October 1st, to be in Egypt and, of course, again I will go to Santa Maria de Zaitum What do you think of what happens in these places where there is apparition in Marians and we start without cursing. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how you are on this opportunity. Juan ge talking about a topic that I find impressive. Although I am not a Christian, recognizing that the figure of the Virgin Mary seems fascinating to me. I cannot help but relate her to goddesses of antiquity, such as Shtar of Babylon, Artemis and other female life- giving representations And in the case of the Virgin Mary Juange, I feel that she is an intercessor between the great creator and us, an affable figure, a maternal figure and that she has had a number of documented apparitions, mainly in the last century, which are truly fascinating. One e and that is precisely what today' s program of talking about those apparitions that have marked in the last centuries, without the last two centuries, good more, because we are going to talk about the ovirgen of Guadeloupe than of the sixteenth century, indeed, of five centuries ago. We' re going to talk about that kind of apparitions and we' re lucky to have a super- expert journalist in

14:41 this kind of story who' s been investigating them and who' s been in places on the spot. That journalist is Lourdes Gomez, and the interview we have with her starts like this. She was the mother of Jesus Christ and for many an ancestral figure who seems to continually appear to us to remind us that we all have a mother, the great mother of mankind. Some think it is comparable, for example, to the rooster in Antiquity. That feminine divinity, which is always full of goodness and who is able to give us and give us life. The case that if we focus on Christianity and Catholicism, we will see a whole series of Marian apparitions that have been a worldwide shock and that have marked places of worship that centuries later, remain active to those who arrive faithful, thousands and thousands of faithful every day to continue to worship the Virgin in their different versions and in their different apparitions. But the person who has researched the Marian phenomena a lot and that it was already necessary that he be night of mystery in Caracol, that had never been, the Miss, Mrs Lourdes Gómez Lourdes, that there is how hello Juan Ge a pleasure to greet you enchanted to be with you to discuss these fascinating topics.

16:08 Well, my friend, I' m going to ask you the question I ask to all the journalists who for the first time enter mystery night on Caracol Radio. Who is the Lourd of Gomez for the entire audience of Caracol Radio and Mystery Night. Thank you, Juange, because Lournes Gómez is a Spanish journalist and writer who lives in Mexico, where she develops the journalism of mystery. For more than ten years I have focused my journalistic degree on these topics that I like most, such as religious riddles. I have published several books on these issues, such as the church and its riddles, or also recently enigma in the sky There in Colombia. I am especially trying to show that religious, paranormal, sufological themes should not be separated, but that the same phenomenon with different interpretations would be the same. And besides, I think that we are the only two journalists of the mystery that we have left Spain and live in Latin America. Correct me, if I' m wrong, you and I are fine that' s how it makes me very happy this and being here with you Jorge emotional, dear Juan ge because I feel very close to You, because we have both managed to make a hole in Latin America and that gives me great pleasure. As they say here in Mexico, he hears and various things. Another day I have to interview you Johanna Andíaz, who is your husband, and You for this book that you have released called Enigma in the sky and that is available here throughout Latin America and that

17:41 you can find it also by Amazon and also you collaborate on the YouTube channel Unsolved experience and now you have also gotten into another podcast topic, also there in Mexico, truth. That' s right, I' ve created my mysteriously clear podcast video where I' m talking about my research. I also invite all listeners to have a look if they like these religious issues, because there I talk a lot and I go a lot deeper on this topic. It was super recommended that podcast and also that of Unusual experience and good the first Lourdes. Why your interest in this type of religious themes and the varied appearances since childhood in our beloved Spain Juan Ge. I was fascinated to go to Mass with my grandmothers and my mother, especially the whole question that had to do with the mystery, the religious legends, the moment of consecration And we were even amilla. And so when I saw the priest make all his prayers, go up to ring the bell, turn in the church, all that drew my attention infinitely and as time passed I realized that these mysteries that we catalogue as religious are something more. They have to do with ufology, they have to do with the paranormal and they are really a challenge to current science. For this reason, I have dedicated myself to pursuing the history of relics, Marian apparitions, the souls that are the ghosts of the church,

19:15 or even the popular lights of these omnis interpreted as something religious, because I really understand that the intelligence behind these phenomena has had an impact and an importance on the spirituality of the human being since the night of time. And that ' s what you' re talking about. I think it is key to understand the phenomenon because around these Marian apparitions there are many times a lot of light phenomena, of strange lights. Well, the fatima case, besides we ' ll talk about it later. It' s worth the fate case. I think it' s very heavy and then we' re going to analyze it with lords. But all this kind of light and phenomena around these apparitions has made it related and I think that with sensible surfological and paranormal themes with Marian apparitions and I have to say this and here we have no intention of offending any Christian or any Catholic. They are simply facts that have been established.

20:14 And what we are going to do in this interview and in this podcast and in this show with Lourde Gomes is to do a review of some of the Marian apparitions that we understand are the most important worldwide and Lourdes, as you are in Mexico. Obviously, we could not begin otherwise, but speaking of the apparition of the Virgin of Guadalupe in the year 1, 500 thirty - one, when the Virgin appears correct me, if I am wrong four times the Indian Juan Diego and those apparitions. In addition, there is still a tilma that is what the indigenous people wore in the 16th century There is a tilma where a picture of the Virgin is clearly impregnated, one of the great mysteries of the church and of the faith of the last centuries. How were your researches on the Virgin of Guadalupe Lourdes Well, Juan Ge is a very important apparition, because it basically changed the destiny of Mexico, provoked a massive evangelization from the sixteenth century and what the Spaniards had not achieved in a long time. It is a mystery that challenges the current science that we are going to go through, because there are incontestable data that have no explanation, even though there is also a sector called anti- apparitionist, that tries to

21:45 deny the veracity of this image or to ensure that it is a painting, but there are unquestionable data and, indeed, the story begins on December 12, 1, 500 forty- one of 1, 500 thirty- one, forgiveness, which is the night in which the so- called Guadalupan event occurs. We know this from ancient documents, especially the nican mopoua that is to say the document because, more quoted to talk about the history of the Virgin of Guadalupe and my history with the apparition begins because I am of extremeness in the southwest of Spain. Here the Virgin of Guadalupe of Spain is venerated.

22:26 I have done many researches on this Black Virgin, who only shares the name with the Mexican, even though she is older and through contact with Guatemalan researchers from Mexico called me to give lectures, even in the Basilica of Mexico, about our apparition from Extremadura. That' s how I got in touch. I have been lucky enough to experience spectacular experiences, as it is evening alone in the Camarín de la Virgen de Guadalupe of Mexico and I will tell you Juange the phenomenon that lives and I saw a paranormal phenomenon that they have, because some people who are alone with the Virgin. And I tell it because although I am a journalist and I face the mystery from journalism, I also like to be honest with the inexplicable things that happen to me, because we, in the end we interviewed Juan people who have experiences and I would not seem honest not to do the same thing I was told and knew that there were people who when they were before the original latilma, a few centimeters touching the glass that protects it, because suddenly they see things about the hilmas, there are transformations. What happened to me is that when I was touching the glass, that is, a couple of inches from the tilma, that virgin ' s face was transformed. I no longer saw the image that we all know of the Virgin of Guadalupe, but I saw the face of my mother

23:59 and, on the contrary, being the information with other people who had lived the same thing, they told me about the fact that they saw their mother here on earth. It was not a shocking moment for me that changed me in some way and that led me, therefore, to want to know all the mathematical and paranormal mysteries that has statatima hears how beautiful that experience and I knew absolutely nothing of this story. You investigate, you can see that there are people, because my mom is lucky that I live. But I have met people who, because their mother no longer lives and who, obviously, over the years, even if you have photographs, can go away, let ' s say blur the face of these loved ones and who, suddenly, the impact of being alone in the dressing room, of being in front of the tilma and of seeing their mother again when they had almost forgotten their face.

24:57 Old people, they' ve even told me this and it' s an impact too much, because what a beautiful story I didn' t know. Neither Alejandro nor I expected you to tell us. We didn' t know this and I thank you. We thank you for sharing that experience. He hears that story also so beautiful that you would investigate the apparitions of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Spain, that they would have nothing to do with those of Mexico. I didn' t even know that fact that there were apparitions of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Spain and that for this reason you go to Mexico also to give talks and give you that opportunity to be in that dressing room and you have that experience in which you can see your mother' s face in the image of the Virgin. How beautiful And perhaps as I commented at the beginning in the introduction, when we speak of the Virgin Mary, she is something more, not only the Virgin, but that universal figure that is eternal, which is that of the great savior of life. That universal divine feminine say, and that seems wonderful to me. Hey, if you want, we' re starting to get a little bit more into Our Lady ' s stuff. What happens in Mexico is valid and you tell us that it is the 12th of December of the year 1, 500 thirty- one.

26:22 What happens to Juan Diego, how Juan Diego is and what happens to him, which is the beginning of this place of so important adoration, not in Mexico, but worldwide, which is the Basilica of Guadalupe. There, in Mexico, close to that of Fe, this is Juang Everything happens on the hill of Tepeyac and with that ancestral sacred connection, in a place where ancient goddesses, such as Tonancin, were worshiped, where there are remains of temples in this place. Well, a native named Juan Diego, suddenly has the appearance of a lady. What is told in the Necao Powa and even in the testimonies that were made for the Guadalupana history one hundred and ten years after the apparition, where there were still indigenous people who were still alive and who were contemporaries to Juan Diego and declared is that the first appearance was Juan Diego for the hill of Tepeya, and this female entity would have appeared to him to ask him to present himself to Fray Juan de Zumárraga, who was, therefore, the current most important president of the Church in Mexico and to build at that point, in that hill a place of prayer. Juan Diego went with the message to Zumárraga, but he refused, did not believe in what the indigenous was telling him. Then it is said that later. Well, even though he can' t convince religious authority because it demands objective proof

27:56 that what he was saying was really like that, that' s a day before December 11. Instead of going to Juan Diego' s appointment with the Virgin to confirm that everything was going to go like this, it wasn' t because his uncle, Juan Bernardino, was very sick and needed to find a priest, a confessor to give him the extreme choice. Since Juan Diego knew that if he went through tepe Jack he was going to meet this lady. He turned away, went down a different path, but notice that the lady appears to him on the way asking him for explanations and there comes a dialogue that appears in the Nicamo Powai, which is the most important for Guadalupans in the world, where he is told that he should not be afflicted, that everything will be fine and that he will protect him. He tells her that his uncle is not going to die, but that he goes up, please, to the Tepeyac, where he will find some flowers that he has to cut and take them to Fray Juan de Zumárraga, that this is the proof that Zumárraga is asking him for and as he asks him, Juan Diego goes up to the top of Tepeyac, And even though it is a time of December where in this place there was no need to have florex cut some very flowery roses that were down there to the house of Zumárraga And right at the moment where with his tilma, which is a garment of clothes that the indigenous people use at this time to gather different questions, different things that they

29:29 had to carry in that climate, in that layer, he leads to the flowers that he has cut and say that at the time of spreading the tilma and falling flowers to the ground, at that moment it is miraculously printed in the image that is currently venerated in the basilica and that we all know as the Virgin of Guadalupe. This story is shocking. I mean, she shows it up and correct me now. If I am wrong, or comment, a first time on the hill of Tepeyac tells him that he has to go to see Juan de Zumárraga. There is going to be Juan de Zumárraga, who was the bishop, he does not listen to him to set up a place of worship. He appears a second time when he is back to go again to pick up some flowers, some roses, specifically in Tepeyac. I understand that it is there and indeed, those are the apparitions of the Virgin of Guadalupe on Mount Tepeyac and that leave us a tilma, an indigenous garment impregnated in a way that science has not been able to know or understand until now, shaping the Marian apparition and some of the most important miracles, not only of Mexico, but of all Latin America. And we' re still here on mystery night. We were interviewing Urde Gómez and reviewing the apparitions of the Virgin of Guadalupe on Mount Tepeyac, and the interview with lords continues like this and goes down again in depth. Zumarraga and well, this I have

31:03 read many times as when it opens the tilma to release the rose. As these rose petals fall, suddenly the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe appears, which is the one that is adored and seen by millions of people every year in the Basilica, which right now I imagine that the opinion of Juan de Zumárraga changes totally and absolutely. Okay, and they either believed in Juan Diego or thought he was still a phony at the time. What tradition says is that they become and that, in fact, from that minute one constructs in the tepea a sacred house, the first chapel, as such that had the Virgon of Guadalupe, and there the tilma was venerated without any protection for more than a century and as Juan Diego as the first custodian or being of that chapel. Here we have the first mysterious and shocking fact Juan Ge and that is that the tilma, the find of the layer that Juan Diego wore was made of fiber of maguey a fiber from the plant of the agave that was tied by the shoulders and fell to the ankles and that, as I said, was used to transport things. In the case of Juan Diego' s tilma, experts fail to explain that it is preserved because that agave vegetable fiber,

32:35 Juan Ge enters putterefaction. After about twenty years, we are talking that it is more than a century without protection, being kissed, touched and even modified with brushes by the church, and we are talking that in twenty years it should have been disintegrated and that to date it is still there. It ' s unquestionable. Juan Ge is free. In addition, scientific studies are there and in twenty years it goes into rot. That is why here too the question and with this ended the people who say they hear why no new studies are done, why not open the eye glass. There is a lot of fear in the Mexican Church that it will remove that crystal and that everything will fade away because it should have lasted twenty years and it has been for many centuries. Yeah, of course, it' s been almost five centuries.

33:28 It' s not that it' s crazy. That fact had been read long ago and indeed, that fiber of mague and it had to have lasted twenty years. We' re going to be optimistic that it will last forty- fold, but not five centuries is a real madness. And then, moreover, with the fact that you have given that the first century was weathered in that first chapel and the people touched and kissed her, even the Church. I imagine that because of the deterrill of the image he sent some artist to pay him some brushstrokes and so on so that he could again say more force to those colors and that figure of the Virgin. And this would be the first inexplicable fact. But then also the impression the tilma has.

34:12 He has traces of some kind of brush or something he suspects that Juan Diego or someone who manipulated Juan Diego could have painted the image or not. Or there' s been analysis of that tip so we can say no. That is to say, it is not clear how this was painted or drawn either, because notice that there are researchers, there are scientific studies such as Callajan, for example, who have studied that part of whether there are traces of paintbrush and have found that, obviously, there are modifications. There are things they tried to add, for example, a crown crown to the Virgin of Guadalupe when she will see later, she was already crowned by the stars and they have tried to add colors to the part of the mantle, although traces of painting have been found. There are areas of the image where there is no painting or anything that can explain the impression. And those parts where there ' s no paint or hands and face in particular, no paint. And what' s more shocking, when you' ve analyzed those points of let ' s say from the cloth by pigmentation and the color looks like a rusty flower, like it' s flower juice, that is, as if there really was a trace of the theme of the flowers that Juan Diego had to cut. So there are traces of brush, but they are not confined to the face or hands of the Virgin that such interesting data is worth it to

35:42 look like a kind of oxidation of flower juice, which was able to create the image in an obvious miraculous way, which would have no other meaning. He told us that there was an attempt to make some modification to this drawing, such as having a crown, but that already the tilma, the Virgin was crowned by star. How so. Lourdes, then, note Juange that, to begin with, Latilma is a mathematical codex. There was a massive conversion, because there are certain elements of the tielma that resonated with the indigenous and that were part of their tradition of worship of the mother, such as Atonancy. We have, for example, one of the knees that are appreciated in the mantle, that are as close as the other, as a little raised, and this is a step of Mexican indigenous dance in honor of the mother. That is, to begin with, there is already a prayer and a prayer in the position even of the Virgin' s knee. But now we have juange that if we measure the length by the width, if we divide it, it will give us as a result the number PI and we will have that the Virgin of Guadalupe has golden proportion, mathematical proportion and the stars that has the mantle, not those of the versions of people who have painted the Guadalupe aggression. This, as I am going to say, is

37:13 only fulfilled with the original, which is in the Basilica, and it is that if we grasp a planispheric as for example, I recited that it is a program that anyone can access and we put what position or what constellations were seen in Mexico. From Mexico City on December 12, 1500 thirty- one at six hundred forty- five in the morning, we will have to match exactly the constellations in the mantle of the Virgin Juan Ge exactly with those seen in Mexico' s sky that night. We have, for example, Canes boats, the star of the dragon, the big bear, the star of the lynx, the origa libra, the planet Jupiter is with Pion Centauro, the Cross of the South. All this and in the part and I had the opportunity to interview a Yucatec astronomer who has analyzed this. In the part where the Virgin' s head is, is Virgo' s complition. Therefore, I was already crowned by stars and that explains to me how the painter who made it could, therefore, do this juange because there is a mathematical correlation of more than ninety percent between the position of the stars in the original and those that I told you that night. It is not madness, no, and besides that in that figure the stars are reflected just above the head

38:45 of the Virgin, even the constellation of Virgo over herself as twinning this type of Christian cults. Because of the cults in the stars that have made all the ancestral peoples of the planet. Alejandro Bernal wanted to comment because there is a very interesting fact and it comes from Carlos María Bustamante. This was a prominent Mexican lawyer and historian from the beginning of the 19th century and this man certifies that in the year thousand seven hundred and ninety- one, some workers were cleaning the Silver frame in which was found the Juange Tirma and, suddenly, by an accident, spilled nitric acid on the canvas. Most curious of all, Juanje is that, literally, despite this spill, the canvas and the signature remains intact. Only a slight stain remained defying any conventional explanation.

39:37 That fact didn' t know him, and it sounds crazy to me, not even with a corrosive acid. Turns out the latilma ran and another that had to be corroded or is it real madness? You knew that fact Lourdes. I imagine yes friend also even bombs that have exploded in the Basilica and the image has not suffered anything. In fact, in the Basilica, in the Guadalupa enclosure there is no crucifix bent precisely because of that bomb and the tilma did not suffer any problems at all. So, here, beyond the beliefs and faith of people, which is totally respectable, here we are talking about data and facts palpable, studyable by anyone and as Fernando Ojeda Yan says he is a public accountant and Guadalupan researcher, who is the one who has revealed to me the whole part of mathematics, because he has published several books on mathematics in the tilma, his books and accounts, the data, fractions, square roots, everything is there and anyone can refute it that they do.

40:47 No, it' s not really crazy. Listen, one of the great riddles of that tilma is the eyes of the Virgin, because if you bring a microcopio to the eyes of the Virgin, it seems that it is reflecting at that moment in the eyes of the Virgin what would be Bishop Juan de Zumárraga seeing and the people around him seeing how Juan Diego was extending the tilma. That is so Rurdes is so dear friend, It is a discovery of the researcher José anste Toshman, already several decades ago, who under microscope could observe that the eyes of the Virgin. There are spots that resemble people who would have been present at the Guadalupan event. There are many skeptics who claim that they are pareidoli. But let me tell you that Fernando Gedayan is this mathematical researcher has made a correlation between one eye and another, because we have to know that our eyes do not focus the scene from the same perspective and, therefore, what is seen in the left eye is not exactly the same scene that is seen in the right eye, because they are different perspectives.

42:05 So, what Fernando Ojeda Yanés has done is grab the image of the left eye and the right eye to try to put them in correlation to see if really two eyes, each from their perspective, can form the same image and perfect house. Again it is a mathematical correlation of more than ninety- five percent. And we are talking, therefore, that effectively, they are eyes focusing on the same scene and the scene in each one appears differently, a little distorted, depending, let' s say, on the position of each eye. The same thing happens with human sight, for that for me of paraidole has absolutely nothing. There is a book by Jota Benítez that talks about the research that Mexico did to her, about the Virgin of Guadalupe, where I have seen this very enlarged photograph of the eyes of the Guadalupana.

42:57 And if that is a paradole that goes to God and sees it, because that for me is really seen in the figure and, moreover, the detail that you have commented that, in fact, the same scene does not reflect the same in the right eye, in the left eye that is also in the tilma. I don' t think it' s casual at all. Hey, other than I was told about the stars and a lot of mathematical correlations that have been made about that tilma. You think that the tilma or the apparition itself Juan Diego gave some message or the tilma has another message, because many Marian apparitions there are messages that for many are divine to you some kind of message, both in the apparition and in the tilma itself Lourdes because it is a visual message. I support much in the theory of the indigenous codex, because not only do we have that position of dance in honor of the mother, we also have the part of the stars that we know the link with the sky that the ancestors of the Central American area had. We also have juangel apart from the position of the flowers in the mantle. In this case and also with a very high correlation, the main flowers of the mantle coincide with the main hills and volcanoes of Mexico. If we put the tilma on a map of Mexico, the flowers would be located on those main hills and volcanoes. And another wonderful fact. The only flower, or the

44:28 main flower of four petals that is found right in the doblet where the virgin has a bow, is the nahui or lin, which is the flower of the four directions, a very important flower in the cosmology and in the way of understanding the world of the ancient Mexicans, even if it is very rough that announces and of these have been made even a couple of years ago a book by a gynecologist doctor, David Ojeda, who is a woman not only pregnant, but about to give birth and that just where it is said by the position of the belly that so- called child, where the flower of four petals is, is not fair, is where a doctor has to say to listen to the beat of that child, that is to say, that really a woman to an ancient Mexican man who sees her, knows perfectly that right in the center where that flower is, is where the palpitation, the sound, the beat of that promise of that child who comes then is an indigenous visual codex. I think there was a name manipulation. Secure the Nicammo Powa that clearly identify Juan Diego as the Virgin of Guadalupe, and all Guadalupano researchers defend that it is the name it gives. I believe Juan that it was a deformation, that it is likely that Juan Diego said in his language in Nahuatú, because to no words, and that the Spaniards, to accommodate

46:02 the message, and to say ah therefore like Guadalupe, because many of them were Extremaduran and the Virgin of Extreme Guadalupe had a vital importance for these evangelizations and for these first inhabitants of New Spain. Then I think they named it after her. But try to say that this is a personal theory of mine that does not defend the majority of researchers who claim that she identifies herself as Guadalupe, but Guadalupe is a man of Arab origin related to this Extremaduran virgin. It is likely that Juan Diego expressed Nahuatl and said well, because we do not understand that word. It' s going to be called Guadeloupe. I don' t know that anymore. Then for you Latilma would be a message of syncretism, of a union between Christianity and ancient cults that were ancestral in Mexico by the indigenous tribes of the area. Of course, Mira Juange.

46:55 We are fighting to date because we call God and Our Lady in different ways. We have that Arabs and Christians share practically all the prophets, Jesus, Grana, Moses, and they are fighting because they call God differently and here we have exactly the same thing. We need this woman to show up at the tilma. It has all the elements of cosmogony and spirituality that existed before the Spaniards. And that actually makes them, then, join that new cult, because they are seeing that they were different names, but exactly the same spirit as such of Union towards the goddess Mother. This is happening throughout Latin America. You go to the Cathedral of Cuernavaca and we find and you go to the Cathedral of Cuernavaca. In Mexico there is an Aledaño museum where there is one of the few images that exist detonating image. It was an entrance to the altar. Why, because they were going to pray to the church and they were praying to your Nancy. For the Spaniards and she was the virgin to them, she was their mother Tonancin. But it is exactly the same universal spirit. Or you go to the Cathedral of Cusco that surely and I know that you have been because you have traveled much more than me, and we have a representation of a stone to flee into or from the

48:28 Sun, where they prayed to see the god creator, man God almighty and sima trinity are praying to that God of solar worship. We have that Pope Francis has just signed a Vatican document entitled Brother Sol, to open a photovoltaic in the Vatican. That syncretism to date follows only we juange calling things of different names, but the spirit, the message and that entity in the background, in the same I lived something very beautiful for example, in Guatemala, Chichi Castellana, when I was filming a small hill where is the dio maya pascal to low and just behind there is also a cross and people pray to the cross while praying to pascal to low and there they perform rituals of healings.

49:13 And so I think what you said seems super accurate to me. I mean, it' s really the same entity and the same message that we put different names on and put different dresses on. What you' re telling us on a universal level, on an angelic level, call it whatever you want, is exactly the same thing. I think it' s wonderful. You' ve told us a lot about the Virgin of Guadalupe in extreme. It has something to do or, some similarity to the apparitions of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Extremadura. I do not know whether their appearance is or is not, or is simple adoration or there is no similarity. Just like you said before, Juan Diego said something they probably said about Guadalupe or maybe Guadalupe said, but you found some similarity or it doesn' t have any, because look at Juange who share the name, because it has nothing else to do with it. The Virgin of Guadalupe of Mexico is a tilma, printed a cloth and, in the case of the Virgin of Guadalupe Extremadura, is a black virgin, a small carving of the thirteenth century, approximately that belongs to those black virgins of Western Europe, who already know that they are closely linked to the Templars and with previous Orientalizing cults to goddesses such as, for example, mainly because exactly the representation of Isis with those Egyptian dark statues of

50:50 that mother carrying her son, including her breast, is exactly the same as we find in virgins like Guadalupe or Montserrat, among many others, that are those small hieratic statues of polychrome wood, dark and that it is ensured that they arise from a rather harmonic text of the Bible, which is the singing of Solomon' s Cantars, because there is a scene in which the Virgin says that she has the brunette complex. It should be borne in mind that the Virgen de Guadalupe extremedura is pre- Mexican, and that is why the anti- apparitionists point out juange that this is why it is a copy, but it does not resemble anything. They only share the name is an Arab man who seems to say Rio de Lobos. And there was an apparition to a Cáceres shepherd named Gil Cordero, who suddenly lost a cow in the villuercas in the province of Cáceres. He' s looking for his cow, he finds his cow dead and when he goes to dishojarla to take advantage of the skin, he makes a cross on his chest and in those moments the cow gets up and is alive and a lady who gave him arises says that right where the cow was he has to dig because he' s going to find an image of him and they have to venerate that image. In that place.

52:10 Gil Corderos goes to Cáceres, convinces a group of clerics and dig into the place and find an image of the Virgin of Guadalupe. That small oriental size, along with two stones, a bell and some cards. Here we have many occult symbols, starting with the cow or bull that appear all the Eastern legends, the Aces to St Luke. We have the stone and we have that most cults to the mother goddess in the Iberian Peninsula was through the stones. That is why there were councils with lapides against the stone worshipers and the Dominicans fought these movements very fervently by building Marian places of worship where there were worships of veneration of the mother behind the stones there are black virgins who have stones inside them, which definitely confirms this fact. And the most shocking thing of all is that if you visit the Shrine of the Virgin of Guadalupe.

53:10 At the entrance there are two stones that tradition assures, which are those that were next to the Virgin and that we return to the same thing. But vice versa for those stone worshipers, because they were still going to touch the stone and the Catholics were going to see the Virgin of Guadalupe that is still venerated and fixed what curious, ancestral symbols that are mixed in the appearance of Guadalupe in Extremadura Spain, ancestral symbols that there are also in the Tilma of the Indio Juan Diego, in Mexico, on the Mount, in the Cerro de Tepeyac and here we continue in the night of Mystery Lourdes. He was only telling us about the apparitions at Mount Tepeyac and the mysteries that surround those, but also how Guadalupe' s apparitions were and the interview with Lurd de Gómez continues like this. A very important data and connection. Juange is that the Virgin of Guadalupe of Extremadura said it was super important for Catholic kings.

54:17 The first meeting between Columbus and the Catholic kings, The first place where Columbus proposes to Isabella the Catholic her mysterious journey is the Monastery of the Virgin of Guadalupe of Extremadura. That' s why he was so important in the conquest. During Columbus' first trip, they have a storm, are about to shipwreck and are entrusted to this Virgin of Guadalupe and that is why Columbus promises to return the first money. Gold that Columbus brings from America, the Monastery of Guadalupe is donated. The first two natives arriving from America are baptized in the Us of Guadalupe. The first chilies that come from America are grown in the orchard of the Guadalupe Monastery. It was very important, yes, but it has nothing to do with Mexico. Where the controversy arises. And this is an exclusive fact that I have and that attracts a lot of attention in Mexico. Juangi who I found in the Guadalupe archive, looks at the Monastery of Guadalupe shudder and perhaps for this reason I almost didn' t teach him anymore. In the choir there is a virgin, it is an immaculate conception. The Virgin of Guadalupe of Mexico resembles the immaculate conception, which is a virgin that appears in the apocalypse of that fort. In one of the most mysterious books in the Bible it is said that when the end of the world is come, a lady dressed in sun and stars will appear, and that is really how the immaculate conception is depicted, has a half moon on

55:52 her feet and appears in the stars. This is what Our Lady has for Guadeloupe of Mexico. There is really a connection with the apocalypse, but if we go to the Choir of Guadalupe, we find a virgin called the Virgin of the Choir, who is an immaculate conception and who looks very much like that of Guadalupe. And that' s where the controversy begins. They say they copied from the Virgin of the Choir. It is the Virgin of the Choir of Guadalupe older than that of Mexico. I have to say juange yes, but I found a document that speaks of a restoration of the Virgin of the Choir, that they take her to Salamanca and that there they put all the elements that make her look like that of Mexico, the golden rays, the stars. I have that document, even how much Guadalupe Monastery paid for that restoration. Then that theory is not supported either, because the reverse and the modifications of the Virgen del Coro were inspired by the Mexican one. So the controversy of the date continues and it is true that in our Spanish land because they continue to maintain that everything is a copy. But, as we see, the same one he added in Guadeloupe of Mexico is much greater than just saying this is not much greater. And apart from what brilliant research that you find that document, that is, the document, I think it' s clear, that is, the Virgin is modified trying to copy the Mexican one, with which I think we go blank and in Bottle has more, not much more history of the candromanal. I wanted to comment on something onge.

57:22 There is another amazing fact that adds more mysteries to this tilma, and it is that Margarita would climb from Martínez parente. This woman is an official of the Centro de Estudios Guadalupanos in Mexico. Juange. She claims that Juan Diego' s tilma, as she calls it, is placed on a metal plate that has an average temperature of fifteen degrees Celsius. Instead, the thyrma maintains a constant temperature of thirty- six and a half degrees, that is, the temperature of a healthy human body. And to this day I give a scientific explanation of why the plate on which the tilma is, has this temperature difference. Jorge Hey, that' s crazy. That fact, for example, had not been heard by the Lourdes. There are records that the temperature of the Tilma de Juan Diego, where the Virgin of Guadalupe is, has an abnormal temperature. Well, this is a controversial fact that I' ve tried to corroborate. But the Guadalupan researchers, including the President or as such the head of the Guadalupan studies of the Basilica, with whom I have had the opportunity to eat and exchange data, do not confirm this fact to me. They deny it, but I have to say that the faithful do, that they support it, but from the Basilica they deny it. They assure that both that data and another that is also said to be there is a heartbeat, that there is a heartbeat, that a kind of heartbeat is

58:52 heard. If you hide it, they deny it and claim it would not be real. However, I had the opportunity to see the security mechanisms of Our Lady. I don' t know if it' s okay for me to say this good one. I' m not going to give any more data to see if anyone' s going to attack the guy. Well, there are certain juange elements that help ensure a constant temperature. Okay, perfect. Well, it' s a fact that it' s there and that, maybe there' s from here to give the most. But it is still curious even to say that it is heard to the beat of the Virgin. Hey, Lourde. How is the feeling, as a journalist and as a human being that you are above the journalist, of going to the Basilica of Guadalupe? You can illustrate to all of us who have not been there as in the Basilica. How is the atmosphere that looks like that basilica.

59:45 It' s fascinating, because it' s a basilica that' s completely open and even if you' re out on the flat or inside, from any point, you see the same thing perfectly. The tilma is there in the middle of a high place, because it makes it perceptible from any point. And besides, we have good, because some kind of tapes, let ' s say they' re moving and they make you get close to the Virgin for a few seconds to take pictures and so on. The Guadalupan enclosure is huge. Not only does it consist of the basilica. There are other chapels, such as the chapel of the fence, which is built in the highest part, where tradition assures that Juan Diego cut the flowers. Either we have the first chapel or sacred house of Juan Diego, which is where he was supposedly more than a century out in the open. There are many curiosities, such as, for example, a chapel as such of blessings where you see pilgrims arriving with very great images of the Virgin of Guadalupe. And there is a priest who is at all times, pouring holy water on these images or, for example, the chapel of oaths. They are people who have serious addictions, they come to ask Our Lady to help them cure those addictions and then what is said in Mexico is they are jurors of Our Lady.

1:01:09 And then, for example, that person who has a problem with alcoholism. When someone offers you alcohol and says I' m sworn, that' s sacred. No one else will offer him because he is sworn in the Basilica and Our Lady is protecting him so that he can keep that promise. The most shocking moment is measured every December 12. I' ve had the opportunity to be there from Pilgrimage on December 12th and we' re talking about juange millions of people. It' s crazy that just at twelve o' clock in the night they start singing the mornings to Our Lady. The Mass begins with the mornings. There are millions of people singing mornings to the Virgin of Guadalupe and along the way, all those people who have promise with the Virgin to Guadalupe and who have managed to get out of their problems thanks to her, are giving gifts to the pilgrims you during the four or five kilometers that you walk to reach the basilica, because it is impossible to park. You have to sing a lot. They give you all kinds of no sandwiches, drinks, prints. They are all gifts from people who have obtained a favor from the Virgin of Guadalupe and I feel like crying, because it is truly incredible the atmosphere that is lived there. How beautiful in the background of the Virgin of Guadalupe It is part of the heart and soul of Mexico. And that' s right. No, and maybe that' s why he has

1:02:40 that syncretism of what was before the arrival of Christianity and it' s preserved with the good in Christianity and you' ve described it as you' ve put the dogs at the top. I mean, I think it' s wonderful and I think it' s wonderful that people go there, live it, experiment it, be it Christian or Catholic or not. They have narrated it in a great way and perhaps the message of the Virgin of Guadalupe And, deep down, we are all the same and we are all the same, just that we dress things differently, but our longings, our desires, our hardships, our disasters, are, at heart, the same and it is those that make us human in the positive and negative sense, because we are always filled with a little light and shade. In this case, the Virgin of Guadalupe is all light in order to extinguish the shadow. You told it in a great way. Lourdes that you want to add something more to the Virgin of Guadalupe. I gave him another appearance. We' ve destroyed the script as long as we' ve already had forty- eight minutes of interview, so I think for another day we' ll leave the issue of fatima and gravel and get a little bit into Lourdes and close the show.

1:03:51 But you want to add something more Lourdes de la Virgen de Guadalupe, because, dear friend, there is a lot of mystery, not only because around Latin we have many other elements in the basilica, even crypts have already been built where good people, because it is on earth as such near the Virgin of Guadalupe and we have a museum of ex- votos. That this is a popular Mexican art. Very interesting, because, instead of doing, as in other parts of the world, you nexs votes. For example, if you have a problem in one hand, they make a kind of wax handle and leave it there on the spot. In this case, in Mexico, the tradition of ex- votos. These are paintings dear friend, where anonymous artists reflected the miracle that had been painted. It' s a work of art and down. It has a legend that puts, for example, the game La Virgen de Guadalupe appears and rescues people from the fire and says that I am a Fulanita of such and on the such day of the year, the Virgin of Guadalupe performed the next miracle to me and it is a lot incredible because they are people of all ages talking about diseases, accidents, train traffic, shootings, earthquakes and the most shocking, Juan Gel Find with aliens.

1:05:06 I meet extraterrestrials on that hill of tepellaje which is what Juanges is called. They are ex- votos and we can do another special program of ex - extraterrestrial vows, where people thank Our Lady for helping them when Martians or UFOs appeared in their lands and gave them a lot of fear and prayed. And that object or those humanoids are gone. It happens both with the Virgin of Guadalupe and with other important virgins of Mexico. I have to tell you, I bought two or three of those ex- votes. I gave it to him He answered Johanan on a birthday. They are original and we have that, in fact, the Virgin of Guadalupe has also been entrusted to her in situations of strategic contact. You just left me in I mean that, I didn' t know it existed, and I think I' ve read about ufology. Investigate my life a little. I didn' t know it existed, I had no idea, and I think it' s magnificent.

1:06:12 Listen only to finish off there is some official miracle recognized by the Catholic Church around the Virgin of Guadalupe. Or not. We don' t have to talk here about the news that is so current about those Church norms about supernatural events. The Catholic Church tolerates and promotes certain cults, but does not sign as such official documents in which it clearly states that, indeed, the Mother of God appeared in such a place at such a time in history. Tolerate the cult. It is a very profitable cult for the Church. We are speaking that in the case of the Virgin of Guadalupe is the most visited Marian enclosure of Christendom, along with a fatima called The Altar of the World and the Vatican and that, therefore, are large economic goods associated with these temples.

1:07:04 Then there is prudence, there is tolerance and there is respect, but there is no recognition. Almost all documentary. There is a recognition through the different popes in the case of the Virgin of Guadalupe of Mexico, for there have been popes like Juan Pablo II super Mega linked to this apparition going to worship the Virgin of Guadalupe of Mexico, or recently Francisco, who has also been praying alone in the Camarín, the Virgin of Mexico or other popes who have held phrases as famous as with any other nation. He did the same thing as it is another of the most important phrases in Mexico, where they claim that no other are born in the world. Our Lady did such a miracle. Then worship is tolerated, but there are no official documents regarding miracles of the Virgin of Guadalupe. If we check the news and anyone can do it and put Virgen de Guadala rupe news google every week we have miracles.

1:08:03 Without going further, in these days, an image of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Morelia, which is in Mexico, has supposedly begun to cry blood. We are also talking about one of the most difficult territories in Mexico, where it is really practically forbidden to step on at the moment and talk about a virgin crying blood. The archdiocese of Morelia has already begun an official investigation in which it calls for prudence and, according to the new norms of the Vatican, that all they do is renew what we already knew will not be pronounced positively. They would only pronounce themselves in a negative way. Juang if they discover a fraud or that the person who is promoting it has a psychological, psychiatric problem, that the person needs money, then they can be pronounced negatively, but never by prudence will they be pronounced positively. They recognize that these things can occur, that it would be through the Holy Spirit the third element of the Most Holy Trinity, that it would be giving certain miracles to people, simply to reinforce God' s message. But he is very afraid that theology will go on to say to the popular miracle shop and they do not want the worship, let us say from the church, to move the Eucharist so that these kinds of cults arise. Then he tolerates it a lot, but with great prudence. But how nice that you' ve said miracles almost

1:09:36 every week, even if the Church doesn' t make an official document recognizing them. Alejandro Bernal wanted to comment on something if he played within the historical miracles that have been attributed to the Virgin of Guadalupe and a story that seems fascinating to me. In 1, 500 thirty- one, when the hermitage had already been built, a great pilgrimage of people gathered and, as they say, an archer tried to throw an arrow with such bad luck that this arrow struck him in the throat of one of the people who were there. This person was badly injured and, according to the chronicles of the time, they took her to the feet of the Virgin. Practically this person was dying.

1:10:19 And as soon as he came across this sacred image, this person regained consciousness. Slowly, they removed his arrow and survived in a miraculous way. Well, then, one of the miracles that are there and those chronicles are left seems magnificent to me. The whole position that Lourdes has made on the Virgin of Guadalupe. I' ll give you another day to talk about fateful progress. But that' s another story, because there are also two appearances in which there are a lot of lights around that appear strangely, but the minutes we have left, I would like to ask you about another of the most important Marian apparitions in the world. This one has sixty- nine official miracles recognized by the Church which is the story of the Virgin of Lourdes in France and is, in particular, apparitions that there are between the fourteenth of February and the sixteen of July of the one thousand eight hundred fifty- eight, in which an illiterate teenage girl named Bernarde her virus in a grotto called Massabiel, affirms that she has contact also with a lady and I believe that we are talking about the most miraculous virgin in the world and a place of worship also where there is a water that is pleasing to thousands and not millions of people every year. How you investigated this case that you know about history, the history of apparitions in Lourdes, in France, because I know John

1:11:55 well enough that we are talking about a cycle of apparition is quite long, more than eighteen. And well, it forms a whole compendium of prophetic messages and a link with the miracle, as you say, through the water. Water is a very important element in all Marian apparitions, because most places where it appears there is a watercourse. And this precisely as Master Savior Freixedo taught us, has that connection with the mother goddesses of Antiquity. Water as a fertilizer element, water as a bond with the mother goddess. In all places of Marian apparitions there are miraculous waters. You have visited in Turkey the House of Our Lady has its course its source of water. In the Virgin of Guadalupe of Mexico we also have a well supposedly of sacred waters in Tepeyaz and in the case of Lourdes, because the grotto and indeed, the presence of water is one of the most important points. My name is Lourdes because of this apparition, because my mother was fascinated. From a very young age and from a small age, I was taken to Our Lady of Lourdes one of the most striking images of my childhood. It was to see well, because hundreds of paralyzed tetraplegic people in familla wandering around Lourdes in search of a miracle.

1:13:15 I was shocked and older, for I followed him a lot. As you have said, this is an apparition that took place in the 19th century, where a teenager who had no special knowledge of these subjects was completely illiterate, spoke to a woman who identified her as the Virgin, also using the language or dialect she used in this area of France and because she promised that she would visit her there for about two weeks, that every day she would meet her in the same place. This is important because a Marian apparition is completely linked to the place of worship. In addition, if you move the image to another, yes the legend always appears that in the evenings the image is moved alone, because it is a key importance the place where it appears bernarde fulfills going to the apparitions with these, ma' am, and in those apparitions they have conversations where it gives them messages, messages about how the world, human beings have to do penance, that there is a lot of sin, that you have to try to flee from the materialism that you have to do professions to the grotto where it appears and found a chapel. This appearance became super famous. Indeed, he had an ecclesiastical creation, something that really does not happen in the rest of the apparitions. And immediately, because

1:14:45 the arrival of millions of pilgrims, as it continues to happen to date, if you allow me, I can give juange the conclusion of why I think that requests the appearance always a place of worship. Yes, but, of course, how unclear last night was mystery. Maybe we could go deeper into it in fatima. But notice that on one of my fetima trips, when I was with Johanna, my husband, walking one night for a fatima, we are not sensitive. We face these issues from journalism, but we start to feel I don' t know how to pressure, like a duration in the chest. We were not in the plane of the apparitions and do not lose after the small sports bulletin that comes that theory of Lourdes Gómez, that to me the truth impressed quite your questions and comments through the numeral mystery Caracol and lorde gober We were telling his theory of why these kinds of apparitions always ask of a place of worship, a special point at which we can meet with the divinity. And the interview with Lourdes continues like this. But as a result of feeling that so strange, we said to approach the basilica, if they are celebrating something when we arrived Our impression was capital, because a sumar, that was a sea of thousands of candles that were thousands of people in unison breeding the rosary. And I had as a revelation. I looked

1:16:16 at Johanna and told her I just found out. I think I just found out why these entities get together and ask for the construction of a cult space. At that point, in particular, and not at another. I realized that those thousands of people praying the rosary, that it is still a mantra, a man realization sound by repetition, vibration that is created by a repeated sound Again and again they were generating an energy and if I, who am not sensitive, was feeling it juange. This means that this has to do with very concrete places of nature, where is the subject of the lines law and forces, that that energetic vibration of the planet, that is none other than the beloved god, that energetic vibration, those nodes or points of power in the places where this entity appears and that people when they pray there, when there is the water element, in the light element of the candlelights, and that prayer, that mantra, that repetition sound that we remember, since the verb has power and is one of the main messages of theology that at first was the verb and that the word has power. These people were generating an energy that I don' t know why or what it serves the purpose of the apparition, they can be those forces of good by fighting with the forces of evil through prayer and that energetic vibration. I don' t know,

1:17:49 but I swear I felt something very strong there and I think I came to that conclusion. How nice what you just said are telluric points, which are points that concentrate a great energy. That is why they appear there, that lady, and what happens when people pray and hour that, through vibration, feeds that positive energy of the earth, because I do serve what I think the Earth does not know if luckily, unfortunately, but it is as always, it has always been a battlefield between light and darkness, between angels and demons, and so it has been for so many thousands of years. So, how nice that these places aren' t casual, but what they obey is a plan of these forces of light against the darkness. How nice Lourdes that you have commented listen let' s do some more information about the apparition of Lourdes, which also has your name. I believe Lourdes is one of the most important Marian apparitions in the world for various reasons and I want your opinion on this. One is because Bernard' s virus was a very poor girl from a very poor family, she was illiterate and was spoken to by the virgin in Gascon in the dialect of the area. She didn' t even speak French well, she communicated in Gascon. But when it starts to look like the virgin and all these apparitions and I repeat, between fourteen

1:19:21 of February sixteen of July of a thousand eight hundred and fifty- eight, with all these messages, people laughed at her virus nerdet until in one of the apparitions, when the virgin tells her that she is carbe in the cave, that water is going to come out and such And what Bernard does his virus is digging in the cave and what he finds basically is mud and little more and people laugh at it for having been filled with mud and such and the next day begins to appear a water that continues to come out today. This is a crazy thing. It is very difficult to explain a water that in addition, if it really analyzes it is a very very particular water.

1:20:01 He told her a number of very particular properties. What is your opinion about why the importance of Lourdes, For the importance of Lourdes is that it is one of the clearest intentions where we see the link between the paranormal and the religious. To begin with, Bernadez was a teenager and, as you know, in the world of gay polter and paranormal appearances, the adolescent witness is always key when the phenomenon is unleashed, because at the emotional level, the agitation that a person lives at that age, at the hormonal level and at the level of his psychic development, causes that they can unleash or trigger events of a paranormal type of those forces or abilities that we have asleep and that some develop more than others. Bernardet was at the time. It is like children under seven years of age, who have also witnessed such events, because they are not yet contaminated with the logic of the adult and have very open that part of seeing issues that we have already forgotten govern has that key.

1:21:15 We also have to understand here that the intelligence behind this phenomenon, if it is the Virgin Mary, I do not know, but the intelligence behind the apparition uses the elements that this person knows. That' s why she speaks to you in the dialect she knows. He uses the elements or garments of each epoch, the kind of language, to create a situation of rupture with the reality of introducing himself to our world, but without being surprised, so that we cannot find out anything. The message adapts to a country with very difficult situations, for example, the French Revolution or the anticleric for precisely under that theory of mine that I do not know whether it will be real or not of forces of good and forces of evil. Balancing things a little, we don' t and we have that Bernardez has to sink his face into the earth in order to find that water with very special characteristics. What he really did was surrender to Mother Earth to the Earth element and cause that water to spring up that is still miraculous and has very concrete characteristics. And in this sense it reinforces even more friendly paranormal theory through radioaesthesia. These people who have their mental abilities for active psychological and that the interaction with certain wooden rods

1:22:50 of metal or pendulums, have the ability to locate the vibration of these special waters and bring them to light all This makes it a girl and lawyer who had no idea of the baggage like what you have or what I can have on topics of mystery Juanes and I think it is a very beautiful story, not that it is like that figure is the Virgin, not whatever it is. It takes in principle souls who are very pure, it is worth or children who have no evil, that is children it is worth and able to impregnate and manage them. So, kids often have a hard time, that is Bernard their virus. It didn' t happen at first, it didn ' t happen at all. And well, it just happens to become places of worship for millions of people. Listen around Lourdes there' s a figure who' s the famous Miraculous Medal. What is the Miraculous Medal of Lourdes, because in this case it is not of Lourdes, but it is linked to France. The miracle medal is another Marian appearance. In this case paranor so a French nun is related to Lourdes, because they are very similar images.

1:24:05 But it is curious because in this case we have that it was also more or less in the 19th century and it is to Santa Catalina Labure, a French nun who sees the virgin and also sees that this lady tells Juange that she has to coin a medal with very concrete symbols that she will give her because it will be very miraculous and will help many people. It has the connection because it is in the same century it is the same type of person or profile of figurine. So it is and we have scandalous elements, as for example, that in the miraculous medal, which is coined exactly with the characteristics that this entity gave, is a very powerful symbol. He has the sacred heart of Jesus, he has Mary' s m, he has stars around and he has a virgin who has open hands. According to Catherine Labure' s original statement, there were rays of light coming out of rings bearing the apparition. This is a curious element, because in no seer Mariano has spoken of the virgin wearing jewel. You understand me speak mostly of clothing, but in this case the rays of light come out of the ring and also the message was exactly the same that a chapel was created and that the medal was released as a symbol of protection. To date, this French miraculous

1:25:38 Medal appears Juan G In many places has worked countless miracles and I find a link also with symbols that have been dictated in other contexts, for example, Argentina, in the case of the prophet famous for his psychographics, Benjamin Solari and Parra Viccini. In many of his psychographics, this friar José de Aragón, with whom he made contact, also asks for a symbol in this case for our present time, which is the Cross Orlava. It is a cross that its four sides are parallel and that around it has a sun and that assures that it will be very important in the new planetary changes coming. In the case of both the Miraculous Medal and the Orlada Cross of Parra Biccini, we find that at the radioesthetic level, according to the parapsychology experts, as they launch positive energy, they are able to transform the negative energy of a place into something positive. And well, they' re two of the most popular symbols on the planet. The Orlada cross, for example, is used by all the Presidents of Argentina. In fact, he became famous a few months ago as the descendants of Parra Viccini and handed over the Orlada cross to the current Argentine President to my law, which he has on his desk and you tell. Another fascinating fact is the relationship between Pope Francis and the Cross

1:27:10 Orlava. From this you have to call Johannon to make sure program, because he has been the only journalist that has broken in the skin despite the criticisms, that is, that the Papacy of Francis is based on Parra Viccini, that Pacini, that Francisco met secretly when he was bishop of Buenos Aires, with Roman Neuk and with all the somni researchers of Argentina until late hours of the marrugada, because he wanted to know absolutely everything related to the prophecies of Parra Vicini, that the messages of Pope Francis about taking the church out to the street are phrases that appear in the psychographs of Parra Vicini, that when Pope Francis was during the year two thousand and twenty alone celebrating in the prose the Vatican and raised a sagrario with a chasulla that was so wide. It ' s exactly and I can send you a prophecy from Parra Vichin one of the psychographics and now the most shocking, the unmistakable fact. There is a contact with extraterrestrial Argentine Alfabidondo, who was part of a musical group to the Vatican, and he, of course, as Friki in our songs, like all of us, knows Parra Bicccini and carries his crossword. We wanted to confirm all this about Johanna, that the sources do not let us speak, but that she is on the table and we find that Alpha Bidondo tells Johanna arrives to the Pope, greets him and teaches him the orrated cross Juangel and

1:28:45 then Francis puts a half smile And when Alphabidon does not start to tell him Father, I bring a cross from Parra Bichini and I will tell him the story. He cuts him off, that is, he makes the gesture of blessing. Papal cuts him off and says don' t tell me anything. I know her well wow okay, so that' s where we leave the data on the whole issue of parra Viccimi Pope Francis, which is for another amazing program. It' s a pleasure to interview you You' re all an encyclopedia on apparition issues in Mariana. Well, not only did Mariana appear in omni phenomenon in mystery journalism. I love seeing you happy in Mexico, I love knowing that you have a lot of new projects that are giving you a lot more audience and I know you' re going to do great.

1:29:33 And now to finish the interview, to your conclusion, your closing and, please, your podcast, your social networks so that people can follow you lourdes. Thank you so much, Juange. Mariana apparitions are a fascinating and real phenomenon. Another thing is the interpretation we give him. There are people who have a link with the religious, others who see it as something much broader, but, in any case, a positive message. At least that' s what I' ve found my research for humanity. You can find, therefore, more information about the investigations I do in my instagram, which is unusual family arroba, in my fun page of Facebook, deardes Gómez Martín, in my tiktok, which is deardes Gómez m O, in my video podcast which is mysteriously called clear. I also collaborate weekly with Johanna An Díaz on her YouTube channel, on her unusual experience and it has been a pleasure to be with Juan Ge and all the listeners, because Juan is a person I admire very much that when I started on these topics, Juange, for me was a reference for everything he did in Spain, to see that he made the other jump to the Atlantic and what he has achieved with so much effort and dedication in Colombia and throughout the continent. He deserves it so brazenly.

1:30:49 That' s why you' re an example to me and I feel very close to you, because, well, we took the leap. I do not know whether or not we will be prophets in our land, but you are in Colombia and throughout America and I am very proud of that aspect. Juan, thank you very much. If that' s what really makes me cry, you know what I mean. Anyway, here we are we were not prophets in our land, but we dedicated ourselves to what we like, which is this. We have a lot of friends, we' re on a continent that' s wonderful. Every day I' m happier to be here, in Bogotá, than in my house and here I' m not going so nothing, a strong, strong hug and I' m sure we ' ll interview you another day that you have a super happy weekend, a hug from Lourdes. Likewise hugs blessings, because lorddes got me excited with that that he finally commented already many years ago on television I was going out in Spain, I worked in network being also a podcast very well known millennium three.

1:31:47 And all this and good, because I think that in the world I niy borders and great the people that we are migrants and we go to another place to look for our life, in this case, because with the journalism of happy mystery of calourdel le Vaya, also with that project that has new with mysteriously clear and great and moreover, in like ten days brings with her husband there, for Mexico, that he was going to be a few days in Mexico, he was going to be in Mexico and for Mérida. But Lourdes was finally closing the interview with a very important character in the world of mystery, Benjamin Solari parra Vichini. What did this gentleman he better known as we brought to Argentina, a lord who between nine hundred and thirty- nine hundred and seventy did more than a thousand psychographs absolute madness to answer and be quick to the listeners psychographs. The man entered into a kind of ecstasy and began to translate drawings or messages according to him in a plane where he received like this information, in a transcendental plane and for Viccini has something very interesting juang and is that it is attributed several times of his psychographs to the enthronement of Pope Francis, apart from what Lourdes spoke to us from the Cross Orlada.

1:33:08 For example, in nineteen hundred and forty, in one of his psychographics he put out the following Crisol of Argentina races, Christ Rex, new streams of happy blood. Some of Parra Viccini' s scholars interpret that this expression of Christ Rex would refer to the leader of one of the major aspects of Christianity, which in this case is Catholicism, and which would refer to Pope Francis. But there is a more textual juange from the beginning of the seventies, where Parra Viccini consigned the following the Church will give her bestowal to the renunciation of the Papacy and the new one will be young of ideas. It refers to renunciation. It should be remembered that Bene Victor sixteen, the Pope before Pope Francis, resigned his throne. Father Francis took over. Then some directly attribute this psychography to the enthronement of Pope Francis. Benjamin Solarry Pa Pa Ravichini Juange among his most emblematic prophecies and his psychographic about love he became super famous for the twin towers, exactly super. There was not so much talk about Parra Bichini, but in a thousand nine hundred and thirty- nine, in particular, he does a psychography as you said they enter trance and draw a statue of broken freedom and on the sides two skyscrapers collapsing in a column of smoke. And what the phrase said, because they always accompany psychographics with

1:34:38 a phrase. America' s freedom will lose its light, its torch will not light as yesterday and the monument will be attacked twice. That psychography is brutal. I mean, the fact is exactly there. Juange also predicted within his psychographics the murder of John Figel Kennedy, the emblematic President of the United States. He wrote the following. Apart from that drawing, an American golfer rules and is killed Young wrote on November 22, nineteen hundred and sixty- three. Interestingly enough, this is what pa ra Biccini put out and within the anomalous experiences, because remember more than a thousand psychographs, messages of all kinds, very critical messages. Remember that prophecies are not textual messages, they have quite a lot of interpretations. Juange, the great father of lofology.

1:35:30 Here, in South America, Fabio Serpa, a book on the life of Parraviccini, Benjamin Solar and Parraviccini was published in America. So was titled Es Now and talked about an abduction he had for Bicini on 9th of July Avenue in Buenos Aires, where he described Fabio Serpa. As Mr Parraviccini had seen strange beings with whitish eyes followed by the appearance of an extreme light that had absorbed them, he had taken them to a sort of circular room and through telepathy. Benjamin Solarri Parraviccini told Fabio Serpa that he had received a message to preach love. According to Parrabicini, the message given to him by those beings was to preach love. The Universe is harmony. We' re watching them.

1:36:26 Their behavior is aggressive and we have many chosen. But the most striking thing about all this juange is that in nineteen hundred and thirty- nine, when Parra Vichini turned forty- one, this man wrote the following about precisely not only this contact, but this man had a vision I think very special about these species of beings coming from other parts of the Universe, said Parrabichino in the following, in a psychographic, will arrive on earth again, extraterrestrial beings will arrive in spaceships different from different planets. They will avoid the mountain craters of the Andes and the Patagonian south. They will live side by side with human life. They will be seen and spoken to. And when we listen to the craters of the Andes, we remember that there are a lot of sightings Juan that are related to okeades of volcanoes or rú mountains yes, a lot Peru, Juan and as if basically these strange artifacts had the ability to go inside these mountains. Juanje sure gave her a lot of messages about aliens. If he was obsessing about it, and it' s true that it makes him tremendously famous for his psychography of the Twin Towers, but of extraterrestrials. I' ve got around here, but a lot of uncle, I mean, in a thousand nine hundred and thirty- eight years. I don' t know if nine years before the term" flying saucer" is

1:37:59 coined. Yeah, he already wrote a psychography flying dishes in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and then he totally got up. Indeed, in the 1940s they will reappear on the earth near another world or they will be saved from their planets and will be understood telepathically. In a thousand nine hundred and fifty- seven he speaks of a first woman astronaut. I mean, it' s absolutely brutal. He really gets obsessed that some day aliens will come here and, moreover, that they will be able to intervene even before man starts a third world war because of atomic weapons and before finishing one that is amazing to Bichini, he also anticipated the arrival of the covid because in a thousand nine hundred thirty- five and notice the difference of years, in a thousand nine hundred thirty- five he made a psychography and put out the following message cold head and throat will be the beginning of a great plague. The last great pandemic that lived for Viccini in life was the Spanish flu in nineteen hundred and eighteen. It does not coincide at the time when he created this psychography, in a thousand nine hundred thirty- five or what crazy. Crazy Benjamin Solar and Parra Biccini. The truth is that all a man worthy of study and who, besides, changes his life after that obdution that he has right in the middle of Buenos Aires. We have to

1:39:30 do some more interviews about this character, Benjamin Solari Parra Bicini. Well, gentlemen, we' re getting to the end of this show. Alejandro Bernán, the Virgin and her apparitions, your conclusion and your close friend. Clearly we lacked to address some of the most important Marian apparitions as a fatima. But that' s a program for it' s a program for Grabandala' s fate. It' s in program for separate programs, because they' re impressive cases. But honestly, Juan Ge left and I was really surprised with all the background behind the apparitions of the Virgin of Guadalupe, the studies and others that confirm that what really happened a few centuries ago in Mexico is an echo that resounds to this day. It is impressive and also what we talked about with Lourdes Gomez of her Virgin Tocaya to the Virgin of Lourdes in France, really very interesting. These two cases and we promise you that later we will dedicate specific programs to both Fatima and the Virgen de Garabandal and I can follow on social networks, on Instagram, in arroba ale bernal prez con les. I do not know why, but that figure appears among us since man walks on the face of the earth, a figure that represents our mother, a figure that represents goodness, a figure that is all light, a light capable of determining with darkness how beautiful it is to go to that in

1:41:03 places marked by this figure, by the Virgin, and to face the divine, to feel her peace, her goodness, her energy and to know that always happens, what happens will be next to us, exactly as our mother always did. And never forget that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery