Ovnis, el gran secreto

0:07 Hello everyone, how are you? My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, the journalist, writer and director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. A few weeks ago, a prestigious scientific journal published the research signed by eleven scientists who claimed that different masses of plasma up to a hundred meters in diameter were orbiting our atmosphere. They were even approaching some of the NASA ships and this group of scientists. What I was saying was that this was another vision of the OMNI phenomenon. These plasma objects, which could be circular, some had, for example, also a cone shape, intelligently placed a phenomenon that had never been collected until now and that however, what it does is give another dimension to the OMNI phenomenon, since for many scientists those plasmas could be a door between this and another dimension, as if they were the objects that send us here to earth to communicate with us, although we still do not understand their language. But if you want to know about this much more, don ' t lose. The last mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio Omnis, The

1:38 Great Secret Mystery Night Juan Jesús Vallejo, on the 23rd of November of a thousand nine hundred and forty- four, in the middle of World War II, the four hundred and fifteen air squadron of the United States Army was flying over the region of Alsace Lorraine, the border of France with the north and that afternoon, several of the pilots were able to see different spheres of light around one two meters in diameter flying near them, but they had no wings, they had no propulsion systems, they were able to fly far faster than they were, and that scared them and they gave part to their superiors.

3:13 I repeat, 23 November of the year one thousand nine hundred and forty- four. Four days later, on the 27th of November of the year nineteen hundred and forty- four, Lieutenant Henry Gilt and technician Walter Clery also saw a bright sphere around about two meters in diameter, again flying above them about five hundred meters, very close forgiveness and also spent super fast going them at a speed of four hundred kilometers per hour. Again they gave part to their superiors. A few weeks later, in December, there were two net sightings, in this case not only of one sphere, but of two spheres, in this case of orange colour. In particular, it was Lieutenant David mcfals and Major William Leed who had sightings on this occasion, already directly on German soil and on Austrian soil. On January 2, 1994, the New York Herald Tevium reported on these sightings, saying that the U S military was tremendously concerned about whether it was some sort of Nazi secret weapon. However, they

4:48 thought it was a secret Nazi weapon. Why aren' t we attacked? What has long nazis to catch and has a plane or prototype of many better ships than ours. They chase us, they follow us, they run over us, they play with us, but they don' t attack us. And the funny thing is that while this was happening on the Allied side the Nazis, the German planes were also seeing these kinds of objects as well. This story became so famous among the Allied pilots that they decided to call these spheres of light foo Fighter, which means firefighters. No one could ever explain what the Fu Fighters were. Obviously, it wasn' t any kind of German prototype or any secret German weapon. It is very curious because in World War II between one thousand nine hundred and forty- six thousand nine hundred and forty- six, the Swedish government complained to the Germans because they saw different ships shaped like cigars in Swedish airspace, and the Germans said that this was not theirs. In one thousand nine hundred and forty- six the same sightings

6:19 were again given and then Sweden complained to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which also told it that this was not its own. And it is that until nineteen hundred and forty- seven we did not begin to talk about the UFO phenomenon thanks to the sighting of a man named Kenneth Arnold in the mountains, on Mount Rainier, in the United States, where the famous expression flying saucer was coined. I repeat, that was up to one thousand nine hundred and forty- seven. No one at that time, between forty and forty - six, could have thought that ships from other worlds might be visiting our planet. But the phenomenon of the foo fighters was real and marked the Allied pilots, I repeat during the last stage already of the Second World War.

7:24 And the question that arises is what milk are those spheres of light. They have a technology so tremendously different from ours that we are waiting for the unidentified flying omnis objects. What other world ships are here, we think they' re going to be made of bolt plate with rivets with an engine, so it' s got propulsion. We have no idea what technology they have is more and if they don' t come from this galaxy and if they don ' t or came they have from this universe, if they come from a multiverse and if they come from another dimension. Their technology and the way they operate has to be and is so different from what we have on a technological level that even imagining it is already a challenge. I' m sure they ' re here. I find it curious and intrigued by why they have such an interest in our wars. Why they have so much interest, for example, in nuclear weapons, as there are countless sightings by OMNI around military nuclear facilities. I have no idea, because if they were preparing some kind of invasion, I think it would be the slowest invasion in history. They'

8:56 ve been preparing it for, like, 2, 000 years, three, thousand years, four, zero years. It doesn' t have any sons The thing is that it' s there and it challenges us. And a few weeks ago, in a physics magazine, an article was published that says that in ten NASA missions no longer objects have been filmed, but spheres of plasma or plasma cones or even some sort of plasma donuts that moved about 200 miles above the earth. Some think that this kind of plasma, plasma, would be the fourth state of matter. Then we' re going to comment on it could be biological entities or not, or a type of ship of a technology so different from ours that we have trouble imagining how that can go through space or the multiverse. When we speak of the omni phenomenon open your minds do not be grided forget all that you have taught us, forget about the science and technology that we have. We open the mind to other dimensions and to a multiverse, to a magical cosmos full of infinite possibilities, many

10:35 more than our mind can ever imagine. And what the OMNI phenomenon teaches us is that we are very little and should be much humbler. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want to follow me on social media. My Twitter hits Juan G Vallejo, Juan J de Vallejo, on Instagram and on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery journalism. We put the facts on the table and you decide what' s behind it and what' s not. And here we are a great family, in the family of mystery. You know I ' m doing an author' s trip. The truth we have. I have a trip the second half of April for the road to Santiago. There are no more squares. There is still some square for which I am going to make Turkey, to walk along the ancient Silk Road and reach the Clitepe Gobe temples from 20 to 30 May. There if there remain square and in ten days maximum on the website three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo, com will already be the definitive date and all the information of the trip to Egypt that I will do that will be in the second half of the month of September.

11:50 Again to enjoy the magic of the pyramids and navigate the Nile, the river of life and eternal magic. And we' re starting now without madraction. Alejandra Barnal, partner friend, how are you? Very well, Juan ge a greeting to you also for our guests of exception of this program, Jorge Lui Suftdorf and Fernando if you ebra is Silva Hildebram from Argentina, Rodrigo Bravo in Chile and, of course, a huge greeting for all the people who hear us through the podcast that we publish every week on the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio. Juan that there is a very special program for me, for my Christmas, whenever there are this kind of news about the phenomenon, I love them, they fascinate me. For me this is the best and I think that today we are going to debate and analyze what, at least for me and for other researchers and experts, is probably one of the most important scientific articles of the last fifty years related to the UFO phenomenon. It is impressive what was published a few days ago in the journal the off Aftrophysic Science Go little man, but indeed, a scientific journal that publishes one that has to do with the OMNI phenomenon And suddenly, the scientists that many of them, because they do not have the mind precisely very open to these issues, begin to debate certain possibilities that, notice, are more crazy than we ever imagined, that is, small clouds of plasma hundreds of meters that move,

13:22 that make angles, that have been filmed by NASA ships And it is something that for me is an informative bombshell story that I owe to a Mr Good. Here we are the family to the mystery, today the family of the mystery very to the south cone, because we have two good friends in Argentina and a good friend in Chile. And we owe this news to him, who sent it to me this week and I don' t remember or what I had for this Saturday and I took it and said no, because we have to do a program of this to our good friend Rodrigo Bravo, Chilean military pilot, who is right now from Punta Arenas. Friends, good night, how you are Hello John Jesus, listen to me well, We listen perfectly to you, Rodrigo, how you are with Jesus Alexander. Thank you for the invitation, Thank you, for sending me the article that I think or the proofreader that was Monday. Yeah, on Monday, everyone sent him a hug, man. Thank you, I don' t speak English, but you gave it a translation and I also passed it on to Alejandro and so they' re giving me more data and I thought it was really historical, what do you think of that news. You also, as an aviation pilot Rodrigo Bueno, is one as Alejandro well said in the introduction, this document is a scientific publication, that is, with academic rigor, that had an editorial committee to be published at the end of last year. It was published in January of this year, that is, very fresh and clear information.

14:50 For me it is an extraordinary question which, in one other way, as it points out, is a report, which is a study with twenty - four points of what, in a way, we are looking for many years ago, which is to try to explain phenomena that are to this day an enigma for the academic world that has already become involved in this, for the aeronautical world and for all lovers of mystery. The fact that ten academic entities, universities, eleven scientists are here is no less. I mean, this wasn' t done by one or two people. It was done by eleven people who, in another way, agree that here there is a much more interesting question and that for the first time we see that with the rigor that the academy has, we begin to speak already in other scenarios and in another way, for me and we have always commented here on your program the most challenging phenomenon in history. Yeah, right and aside, let' s see good. I have commented and made the introduction with the topic of the foo fighters, and then I will read the translation that Rodrigo Bravo sent me, because in that translation it is also spoken of foo Fighter, that the foo fighters, because there could be the possibility that these plasmas were also coming down to earth and that they are interacting with us, that it seems to

16:25 me a possibility with fabulous sincerity, even perhaps also to think that those plasmas could become extraterrestrial biological entities. And you have to think that not all the biology of the Universe has to be like ours hears. Rodrigo, look. I' m going to read the translation you sent me. Okay, perfect. It says plasmas up to one kilometer in size and behaves similarly to multicellular organisms. They have been filmed on ten separate missions of the NASA space shuttle more than two hundred miles above Earth within the thermosphere. These self- illuminated plasmas are attracted by and can feed on electromagnetic radiation. They have different morphologies.

17:22 One cone type, two NUBE type, three Donna type, four spherical, cylindrical and have been filmed. This is super important. Flying down and down from the thermosphere into thunderstorms, congregating into groups of hundreds of groups of hundreds. Flips with this and interacting with satellites, generating electromagnetic activity approaching space shuttles. Computerized flight path analysis documents that these plasmas travel at different speeds from different directions. If they change their trajectory angle, making changes of forty- five ninety- eighty degrees and follow each other. They' ve been filmed, speeded up, slowed down, stopped, congregated, and it goes on or I' m going to read it, but I' m going to Argentina. They' re both out there. Well, Jorge, Luis Subdorf, partner friend, how are you, friend, now I hear you perfectly, Jorge, how wonderful Hello Ale Hello Rodrigo fer too, and many greetings to all that huge and wonderful family of mystery. Thank you very much, Jorge, I want to ask you for your opinion of this news that sends me to Rodrigo Bravo this Monday, which I also immediately. I sent you and holding on to hille Bran that I' m going to give her way now. What do you think of this news? First, I think it ' s wonderful that scientists, a group of eleven scientists, get involved in

18:56 investigating this. And then I think it' s also breaking the fact that we' re always thinking about Chapa' s omnis screw there with the contra Chapao and the guy and the blowtorch, we see the alien with the blowtorch there giving it. And maybe the phenomenon of mine is very different. What do you think of all this, Jorge, let' s see, I think of several rather thoughtful things. The first thing I think of is to look at it. How important when science takes ten minutes to start working and thinking about these issues. It' s not like it' s a good thing It' s starting to revolutionize right away. This I do not want to sound derogatory, because surely they were working much longer than ten minutes, but I mean in the total of scientific research, to start raising these questions that we ask ourselves from the beginning of humanity, seems wonderful, of course, and I think it is very good, as well as institutions and people begin to see it from their point of view. I' m not surprised at the conclusion. In fact, I am convinced that omnis exist and I am convinced that I have no idea what they are and that for me the extraterrestrial hypothesis is just one of them. Now, in a lot of documentaries.

20:14 The research issue that I had raised and that I did thousands of interviews on the subject is about life and what life is. And I think it ' s one of the issues that we' re going to have to debate a lot today about what life is and what science is looking for when it talks about looking for life on other planets. That which Jorge Luis Subdor has said seems to me, but crucial what life is, because we are looking for technology similar to ours and we are looking for life similar to ours and maybe, this is much more complex. I remember once we were talking to a scientist and he said no, because he passed the omoamúa what it' s called I' ll say the word comes out to me. It' s not a comet, it' s an asteroid and it didn' t have any radio signals, because it means it doesn' t have to do with being smart, but to see what it means to see aliens have to communicate with radio like us and watch the tele operation. Triumph also speak English and see big brother you know how flip. Anyway, well and here we also have my good friend Fernando Gill de Brand, director of the YouTube channel recommended, in the southern cone, in Argentina, in the city of Buenos Aires, because this gentleman gets the best interviews on the continent. It' s worth the super recommended science signal and mystery YouTube channel. Fernando, partner friend, how you are, How cute, friends, how nice to be gathered with this data, with this information, Thank you for the invitation Juange

21:48 and nothing available. Listen, Fernando, the first compelling question is what you think of this scientific article that, from my point of view, is a bombshell and that I think Jorge has given there on the nail, which is that, maybe we don' t have to start rethinking what life is. I fully agree with Jorge, I agree with what Rodrigo said, and I also have a few opinions on this paper. It' s a paper that seems very well- armed to me. In fact, I' m already moving to interview one or two people who sign the paper, that' s good, to see if we can get them clear yes, as close as possible and ask them because I have questions, I have many questions. I didn' t get to read it completely. However, what I' m seeing is that, although there is a very interesting study on some things fall into generalities that I think you should perhaps explain better in the paper or work them out. I' m not really so clear that this paper has actually been published, or that this is a preliminary version as far as I know.

23:00 Dr. Aransbro who is one of those who signs this paper, was quite upset this week and the week before with the leak of some things here, because it might have been approved in January, but I don' t know if the magazine was still out where this pa but it' s going to be published and if this is the final version. Anyway, talking to Andres Price Mondina, another great friend of all of us, of course and she started making some contact with Ansbrogh, I' m trying to touch others of the scientists and it looks like we' re tracting there. But what gives me doubts about some things that the paper shows or at least the tone or the place where it seems to go to the paper, is to rush, to draw conclusions. I' m going to do nothing more than a little review here about something that the paper says and that' s in point seventeen and that' s a question that seems totally valid to me and that you wonder if it' s that jet fighters, that is jet pilots, for example, from the United States, meet up with plasma uofnis ups and, in fact, they show some screenshots of the famous videos declassified by Christopher Mellon Flear the one from the tecta the other games and exactly and clearly in these videos you see something amorphous that is what these jet fighters are following,

24:30 and this amorphous looks like this because the camera that' s taking that image is a flier camera that only makes it take a temperature the shape of the object. So, from that point of departure there are things that seem questionable to me. There is another question that I find questionable, and that is that here, at some point, they specifically say that when it was the two- four limit event, when they encounter the Tak tic, the pilots had all seen this. I don' t know where they get it. Something like an oblong cloud, okay, something like an oblong cloud. This is really not where they get it, because I interviewed alexand Ditrich pilot who was there and told me that it was a physical object, that it was a well- sized object, that it was the size of a plane of theirs about fourteen meters and that it was shaped. The best description is that it was a giant tik tac, a giant mentita. Then I don' t know. There are things I love about all this and look, I ' m the first Mexican. It' s called science mystery and science mystery review I' m the first to ask science to be here and I' m very happy with this. Now it seems to me that we also need to read thoroughly and try to understand what is being done in these kinds of initiatives that are great, but that I do not know to what extent they

26:04 are taking all the data that are available regarding at least some cases. What a good appreciation of Fernando gil de bram Well, this is a debate and it' s Jorge Rodrigo. When you want to talk, it' s okay that I' m not happening. I think it' s really good what Fer says about depth. I think it' s a start. I believe that time should be given to them to develop what hypothesis they want to come to and to be able to correct and change. I think it' s also an interesting point in running to science that science is going to bring down truths to us. I mean, science hasn' t touched on these issues before because it knows it can' t put truths and the times it ' s put truths, it' s been wrong. It seems to me that the concept of the hypothesis is very good and that they begin to correct the errors and what they have to correct. In that sense, me, but if not, let' s not run. Not to take science as a truth, because we already know it' s not going to work.

27:07 I wanted to comment on one thing so that all the people who are listening to the program understand it. That there are many who do not know what the incident of the Nimich of the year two thousand and four is. I think I' ve told it a lot of times, but in case anyone doesn' t know him, there' s basically a pilot named David Frevor. True I' m Frevor, who goes with his 18th ephe. What the radarman says also tells him there changed the radar system of the aircraft carrier to the topic of hypersonic missiles. Says hey I have some very rare echoes on the radar of supposed objects that are six thousand meters away and fall at sea level. In a second and that' s impossible, I mean, it can' t be, but radar gives me this. This gentleman goes as far as there is one of these events and what he comments is that he suddenly flies over the sea. He comments that what you see from under the water an object the size of a boing seven four seven above, which would be an identified flying object, the other would be an unidentified underwater object, about two meters and that when he turns the plane and goes towards these two objects, one under the water and one above, the one under the water disappears and gets into the depths and the one above comes out an absurd speed. Then he goes to a meeting point he had with the rest of the pilots and so and at the meeting point appears this object that was then filmed and the video is called Tik Tack is well known. Well, Bandan

28:37 ' s another ephe eighteen that already has a fir camera to film this. Yeah, it' s really weird. What Fernando Hildebran was saying is that these things are in these videos. What was there was a kind of hand plant. I think there. I think they' re having the mistake of wanting to explain now all somnics as plasma, and that' s totally and absolutely impossible. The phenomenon is much more complex. Rodrigo Bravo, we' re quiet. Tell me something I do not listen carefully and I am glad that it is Fernando already making efforts so that in his program he can interview the part of the staff that made this report, but I would like in a way, to supplement some information so that people understand what this is about.

29:30 Let us say that the first thing they do is define a little what plasma means, that it is a state or the fourth state of matter and that, in a way, here in this report they clearly state that this presents a way of life but inorganic or rather non- biological. We can discuss that here with our colleagues on the panel. However, because they are still not supposed to take a plasma from this to experience it only in fact, laboratories or trials to try to imitate the behavior of what they observed after studying. I understand it' s ten space missions. Yeah, and that ' s very interesting. That is very interesting, because there are above all some missions that are so controversial. There is one I remember that it was a video published in March of one thousand nine hundred and ninety- six, if I am not mistaken, that it was specifically that of the CTS seventy - five, where indeed, they were doing a test with an antenna this in the last layers of the atmosphere and at a finished moment, are recorded different luminous spheres and until now, that video that was leaked, that it became very common that we saw it in different buphological events, had been denied

31:03 to say until recently I would say that even last year' s NASA report, that accepts the reality of this unknown Aryan phenomenon and that it does not know what they are until before that this was taken, it was not even anger taken into account, nor was it even minimized, but was not considered then. For me that is a very important step forward, because in fact, it is not just that it is being recognized if this in another, non- incidental way, but that it is as it is. As Fernando says or so do Mr Jorge. This is an approximation and the academic articles are precisely so that they can be debated and that other academics also make the contrast or make the rebuttal that corresponds in that sense. That' s why, that' s the good thing, that this is already generating controversy in different spacious academics, and that' s what we, a long time ago, were saying that it was necessary and above all with a group of scientists involved to investigate this. I' d swear that the video you' re telling me about NASA from the 1990s and so much is an experiment NASA did, that they released a huge wire because they wanted to take the electromagnetic energy from the earth, create energy and take advantage of it that didn' t work a damn thing and they started to see a lot of orbs and pods.

32:25 But absurd. I remember that video and then they said no that' s what it was. I don' t know what space dust it was and it was ice play or it was yes, yes, and why it didn' t happen. All filming hones is very crazy or something very interesting, especially what we' re talking about here with our colleagues here in South America. John is that, at least from my point of view, clearly there is no scientific consensus on this so far as Shan. Kirkpatrick resigned the hoop address a week ago, thank God, because he was useless, but they put another just as useless. So yeah, time we talked or. But what John does today is look at him. On the one hand, scientists do not reach consensus. NASA says something exists, but they don' t know what it is. Laro' s hitting him, too. The worst thing I' m sorry I cut you is that the scientists don' t know. What they don' t put in consensus is that they don ' t want to investigate if they don' t have them. They' re generally denialist. This doesn' t exist anymore. But one of the theoretical frameworks from the point of view of science that these scientists who carried out this paper took hold of was John Ge, a theory that is known as the theory of the electrical universe, which was created by a Swedish Nobel Prize in physics, which was therefore awarded this award. In the middle of the last century. Annest Halfen Hlvin commented on the following Juange and listeners that basically the universe was a fair mix of matter and antimatter, but he, in antimatter, gave it another term. I called it ambi plasma. And within

33:55 this theoretical concept developed by this man, the ambiplasms would be this kind of particles created from plasma, which would be able to attract or repel, to interact with each other and, above all, to live for long periods of time. Juange, you have to keep in mind that within cosmology. This was a theory that was refuted at the time. But the experts who did this study and say eye we are detecting this and this would go very well with what Halfven postulated more than sixty years ago. We should not completely rule it out, but in principle, this gentleman who postulated the seoria does not speak of that being biological entities. This yes, I think it is being posed with the article that Rodrigo passed me, that it was the exact term Juange, that scientists use is that they are non- biological plasmas, that can represent a form of prevention. Is it what God the Holy One, who revoked what he thinks and fernan two hil of Bron a form of prevention?

35:00 What do you think of it makes you a little weird too that I love. You know I love the pre- life way, but you know I think it' s a very interesting point. But very very interesting what they are proposing, because it seems that I entered perhaps with the stoppers with the paper, because I was reading it and I say ok, as they say this, but I agree very much with the PEPER and I am very happy that this happens. Eye, eye, I want to clarify it because the truth is that, besides I am the first to ask science or not the first, but that joins the group of those who ask that science come and collaborate. Then I can' t be happier than right now. The subject of the previty group is something very interesting. In the year two thousand twenty- two, for the first time I began to talk with Dr Nestor Berlanda, a doctor in psychiatry, who investigates the phenomenon very deeply many years ago. Co- author of the book Los extranjeros, along with Juana Peinado, which is the first book dedicated to the phenomenon of abductions by two scientists in South America. And he was telling me look there' s something that the first thing he tells me is to investigate this and you told me to the clouds of Cordilevski, the clouds of Cordilevski. Well, I' m looking. Cordilevski is a Polish astronomer who in the year of nineteen hundred and sixty- one discovered that there were clouds orbiting almost like satellites, as if

36:35 it were the moon around the earth. And these clouds are clouds of dust, where there' s a lot of concentration of plasma. Well, I ' m still talking to him. He makes an amazing presentation of Congress or victory, where he begins to talk about the phenomenon and includes the idea of plasmoids as forms of life, as another way of life this state of matter, proposing a way of life that we do not identify as life by just not sharing biology, but that does maintain some of the basic premises, which are relationship, communication, nutrition, reproduction. Well, these studies have been carried out, in fact, since the years would be approximately one thousand nine hundred and ninety- three. I think it' s until ninety- nine the real academy force, British Air Force presents through one of the academy, through a university that I don' t remember now. I' ve got the PIPER out there looking for it and I can' t find it in which they already talk about plasmas that behave like life forms. There' s a history of this, but it could also generate some kind of contact with the witness of unidentified flying objects, something very interesting. It is deeply interesting because they had made a survey of people who had seen plasmoids, plasma spheres

38:09 or larger or smaller plasmas, and who had heard a voice, sometimes an inner voice, sometimes not, that talked with these people. The study proposed that they could be two things, either that plasmoy of that form of life was communicating with the witness, with the experimenter, or there was the magnetic field of this plasma generating some kind of ghost effect on the person' s brain. Either way, the two possibilities were pregnant and even in that paper, for the first time they talked about sofnis as waps. It' s a very interesting paper that I' m going to try to send to everyone at the table tonight the next tea. If this way of life, which is what Verlanda proposes, whether it is a way of life or whether it is connected. Perhaps and here we can go to Jack Vallet and Carl Gusto b Jung if this is connected with another reality, with another dimension, with another with a parallel universe, because Berlanda' s proposal is that it happens if these plasmas, which have a different existence than ours that physics, according to physics, could also interact with reality in another way and to other spectra are a means of communicating intelligences that are on the other side until using them to get here. I insist on this. It' s very interesting.

39:42 There is a long way to go and it seems to me that this is something that we definitely need to pay attention to. These videos Rodrigo is talking about are great. I' ve seen them remember, many years ago. It really looks like you' re watching and I recommend to the audience to look for them on the Internet, because there are videos of these missions you can find on YouTube. Looks like you' re seeing a petri plate with cellulite moving around and, actually, you' re looking at space. The interactions that occur there are those described by the paper, interactions of something that seems to eat up another persecution, encounters and repulsions, as if they were communicating what is opening up to us right now. I think it' s a huge one, it' s a huge sandbox to go play with and it' s fascinating. Nothing and I don' t say anything anymore because I don' t have a person. If you don' t, don ' t worry. There' s a lot to say. Yeah, sure, I think that' s great You told me that Nestor had, Nestor Errlanda, that he had that studio. I talked to him during the week, he' s a charming gentleman and I love him, but we couldn ' t match this week and he was at family' s house and he couldn' t come in live either. But in fact, the little informs what more Sdon Nestor what little I could see and such was that he raised the possibility that these plasmas could be as a door to other realities or that they used them from other realities to communicate with us, which I find super

41:15 interesting. I think Rodrigo Bravo wanted to comment. We listened perfectly, Rodrigo, perfect. Hey, no. I wanted to make a small, a small parenthesis based on the same thing that comes out in this publication, which is where they have been filmed or where they have been recorded and these plasmas have been seen, and the publication is noted here as the luck of average. This is filmed about three hundred and sixty kilometers is what the atmosphere is. That is why they refer to the thermosphere, that is, the atmosphere. It is the fourth layer, the atmosphere that is between eighty kilometers and eight hundred and is an extremely lax layer, because those that we know of telecommunications communication are also known as the ionopheta. It' s where the waves of the eleven- metrists or the HF radios bounce. Then, during the day this layer is opened extends and reaches from eighty to eight hundred kilometers and then in the night it is reduced. Therefore, during the night the frequencies are very noisy or it is difficult to communicate by radio in the frequency of HF. But for us to get an idea, it' s eight hundred kilometers, that is, the distance from London from Madrid, it' s a thousand kilometers. Barity is a dimensioned one, or we sometimes have as some confusion of the distances that are in the escape from the atmosphere, because

42:50 we are accustomed to all the metrological phenomena of the vast majority of them being in the first layer, which is where they develop between quotation marks in life, which is why it is interesting to see this as this paper, with what they speak of a way, but primitive and that is the tropopher, which is up to the nine the eighteen kilometers. That' s where all the weather phenomena happen. There are circles, the planes at last, but the rest up, like we have some ignorance and this is too much, it' s many miles. We understand that satellites circulate or in some way do the circum- vegation between one hundred and thirty- five zero kilometers. The ICS, the international space station, makes its seasonal geoorbit at 400 kilometers.

43:36 I mean, this is way up top. It' s very high up. And that is very important because also in this paper it is pointed out that some of those plasmas, which can have up to a mile long, in some occasions, descend and that is where I make the center for the head and goal that when those electromagnetic effects descend, because that here we are speaking clearly of electromagnetic effects, they can affect perfectly people, seriously humans, perhaps in living beings or other living beings. So it' s very important to contextualize that this is very high in the fourth, in the penultimate layer of the atmosphere and that if in some circumstances they go down or have been registered, and they, that' s why they make that comparison, either with the subject of the fighters, or with the subject of the videos that were classified from the report of the two thousand twenty- one, which also put it as reference in this paper. Through other experiences we can now solve almost fifty percent of some zoophological records around the world. How nautical they are related does not have much similarity to the records and to the description that is made in this report. Then it' s very important. What we know here is that it has been published, that it has to be refuted, that it has to be discussed. Perfectly that' s what this is all about, but already the first step, the jump is already given to

45:07 understand something that was until now an enigma and was something very complex in that sense. I think Rodrigo is absolutely right. I mean, let' s see. I think it' s wonderful that science starts talking about this, so notice that they haven' t gone for the most normal omniss, for the number of cases there are, although they fixed the important thing also the note of Ferrando Hillebrand, who have begun to relate omni cases very famous with these plasmas that I think is wrong there. There I think one thing is one thing and another thing is the other. But it is laudable, because science so far was basically total and absolutely negationist. Or hopefully, science would go into other cases. But whether we want it or not, this is progress. Now it' s all you do from my point of view, talk more mystery to the phenomenon, that is, surrounding the atmosphere. There, too, in parts of the atmosphere, as Rodrigo said, there are such plasmas, and perhaps they have to do with OMNI phenomena more conventional than why not, because it cannot be, as Ireland says, that they have to do with these somnis and they are like a kind of door to another reality. And all the more so, the OMNI and Jorge Luis phenomenon is complex, which has been investigated all over the continent. It' s just that drawing a conclusion is I think practically impossible. I' m gonna try not to steal too much time, but I' d like to be a

46:43 small description of a lot of things that aren' t clear. Little ones don' t hit it first when Rodrigo gets there. Like you did to me. This paper seemed interesting to me, especially because I, last year, one of the programs, of the documentaries that I made, is that it was one of the episodes of the series that I did with Jaime Mausan was just talking about NASA and by eighty percent what we put were videos recorded from the space station and from others this elements in the space where strange objects were seen, passing near the space station or in the distance, or entering the atmosphere or coming out of the atmosphere. Many videos, there are lots of videos that are all taken from official pages, especially NASA. I mean, they' re not videos that you see things that no one has been able to explain and no one has given you an explanation and this is a first, a first approach, an explanation. I think that' s wonderful.

47:44 Obviously, when we approach the earth, whenever we talk to witnesses or talk to ufologists, they have always put the plasma omnis or the energy omnis as one of the strongest variables that many times science. It has even been fought and it has been said that they are errors and confusions, for example, with globular rays, these strange rays that become balls of energy and that they can be from a few microseconds to a long time in one place, globular rays. These kinds of things have appeared many videos that have not been seen, but you see strange objects, as it is for me and this I take to personal point, the video that the air force of Mexico recorded in the year two thousand four that for science at some time they said were oil wells, but you have the pilots saying that they are passing their lives or they were not oil wells, that they were going very fast, obviously, and they could have an explanation with this. And many of the omnis phenomena, as you say, could have an explanation with this. Now, this would be talking about two or three things. First, he' d be talking about a phenomenon that wouldn' t be extraterrestrial, because it' s inside our atmosphere. In other words, it would be a terrestrial phenomenon and it would be one of the variables that must always be sought, that are natural phenomena that we do not know and that give explanation to much of

49:15 the phenomena. I think this is a phenomenon that would somehow be natural. And there he goes. The second argument is whether we' re talking about life or not, and for that we have to try to define life. I always take a definition of life that gave me to see. There are two people who for me are brilliant to listen to. One is certainly Nestor Berlanda, who has a different head and reasoning and who is amazing and wonderful. The other one is Germán. Gate restrepo Germán ando has given me many of the definitions that I later, for many years, have deepened and searched and I remember that he once in one of the first interviews I did to him, we were talking about life and the search for intelligent life or extraterrestrial life. On the part of science, thinking above all about exobiology and so on. And he gave me something that was fundamental. He was telling me when we went out looking for something, we have to define what that something is in order to find it. And he was telling me the simplest definition of life that we used to go out looking for it. In the universe it is any element that can pass its adn to a new element. There are a million different definitions of life, but that is the denition that we seek to go out to seek life. Well, all this would be out

50:45 of that definition, even in that sense I know. If we thought of the spiritual life, it would be out of this definition. Also, that is, there are many other things that could be life, but that somehow we should understand how to define life in a very broad sense so that we can understand whether this is life or not. Obviously, after life, we should pass like this can be extraterrestrial life, intelligent life, forgiveness and technological life, if we can call it in some different way, because I know that with many people we would debate that there are actually a lot of animals that are intelligent, but that' s not why they have formed a complex and technological society like the one made by human beings. And there' s the other question that doesn' t have to do with the subject, but I leave it pulling why we are the only beings on the planet, in so many millions of years of life that it has evolved in such a different way and this is a question that I think is the key to absolutely everything.

51:46 So, with all this panorama, it seems to me that continuing to look for how to explain certain things also strengthens what has no explanation, because there I agree with you, and I agree with what Fera said before and I also agree with what Rodrigo said and even with what he said ale that not all phenomena are explained with this look and that there are a lot of phenomena that come out of this look. So what we would be in some way if we confirmed this, I think, from how little I understood and how short my understanding can be, is that we would be talking, as I said at the beginning of this monologue, about a natural phenomenon that would explain to us a lot of omnis phenomena that we didn' t know what they were. I' m not right or not. I think that yes, I mean, let' s talk about this could explain part of the OMNI phenomenon. Now what you' ve said great notice, the definition of life, not any element that can leave its adn then to another individual.

52:54 And if this is Marty' s plan theorizing, making a hypothesis here that ' s inventing me, then let' s be clear. And if these plasma portma are life forms that are billions of years old that were created and are simply there and can have no offspring or anything. And in other words, go to know that the problem that I think and I would like Fernando and Rodrigo' s opinion is that it' s that, we' re going to investigate the OMNI phenomenon with a very Earthly forgiveness vision. You let me interrupt a cycle. I had to put some little thing Jorge had on the same note of this as I meant. And there is another detail that is very interesting and that I united it freely, and that is all that began to be discussed about life in the clouds of Venus. Oh yeah, and I would ask if I couldn' t have anything to do with hoping to find life in places we didn' t expect. That was the last thing I needed to say that it just had to do with what you were saying. It seems clear to me that, indeed, we have this concept of life that Germán Puerta defines very well. Not that it' s an individual who leaves DNA his DNA to another individual. But if there was a way of life. For example, what I said would take billions of years to live. The universe I think is thirteen zero million years old and it ' s a primordial form of life that can' t pass on its adn to The best thing is that it doesn' t have i adn. I

54:25 mean, it' s one thing that doesn' t fit our heads. I always set the same example. The day that if one day there was a contact with an alien civilization, I always talk about the same movie. Up there suddenly the ship doesn' t even come in and out and there ' s some kind of octopus and he talks to you in some really weird circles. It' s just that you know, that' s as much as we want to imagine. I think it' s impossible, I mean, we' re seeing as a tip of unic seeing that we don' t understand. That' s my opinion. Fernando gil of brancarte you a lot that these streets was listening with great attention and, indeed, with many joys. I totally agree with what Jorge Just quoted, because I was thinking of a part of the paper in which they quote carl Sagan and clear and his ocubrations regarding the possibilities of finding life in Jupiter' s atmosphere and how this kind of search, at least intellectual, of how that life in Jupiter ' s atmosphere could be could coincide with what is expected of a plasmoid that has life. What we are finding here without realizing and which I think is super interesting and has been treated by everyone at the table tonight, is the following and it was also I think that the first thing we start the program What is Life, because here I have in front of me Art Day Live

55:59 are alive. That' s the question you ask in the paper. So we have to start studying reality in another way, and this is also a way of expanding the horizons of consciousness and clear reality, because if you are suddenly already aware that there is not only biological life or that it would not exist, we are going to put it there as an attempt only biological life, but that there are other forms of life that can be totally different. Then we are already facing a subject that gets much more exciting because it multiplies. Let one know by how much the chances of finding life in the universe of finding it in our own planetary system. This is I insist with this and we have to pay attention to the references in the paper, for example, because this is a work that has been done for a very long time.

56:58 For example, here I had stood out and I want to believe them. Just a second. The overall picture of the phenomenon obtained so far shows that the radiant potency of the phenomenon varies reaching values of up to nineteen kil watts. These changes are caused by sudden variations of the surface of the illuminated area, due to the appearance of groups of luminous balls that behave in a thermally regulated way. Other anomalous features include the ability to eject smaller light balls, some frequency change not identifying the BLF range and possible metal particle position. I' m talking about this paper here. I am not talking about a paper published in June of the year two thousand four for maximum Teodorani, which they cite as the chief investigator of the Gesdallen Valley lights who are considered to be plasmas. Just then this is like a breakthrough. In that sense.

58:04 There is a scientific pre- existence of this kind of search, so we have to pay close attention to the reconfiguration, also of our understanding of what a way of life is and where we can find it that seems fascinating to me. A new world opens up here. Yes, of course and I was remembering when you just said the lights of gestalem forgiveness in the Scandinavian Peninsula that would also be like plasmas. And the pictures that there are have that form of plasma. That this was investigated by scientists and they could never explain it. Find an explanation. I was remembering another phenomenon, the light in my mind in Australia, for example, which is such a phenomenon or forgiveness.

58:45 You who are Argentine and I think it is also in Chile, the very famous bad light that goes to people through the pampa and then, suddenly comes to a light. But the bad light, for example, does not interact or, be it look. You three who know about bad light. Bad light is something that scares people, but it does not interact with people who are abdutions and, as in other cases of the OMNI phenomenon, it is very different. It' s like more I don' t know how to say it, as simpler, as less complex. Not what you think Rodrigo Jorge, Good agree is that, in reality, here this question is so extensive because the phenomena that we have discussed, discussed published has such an immense variation that of course, this publication helps in a certain way to reduce what is doing science, reductionism, in order to try to understand certain things or, in this case, certain phenomena that are ununderstandable. Indeed, as Fernando very well says, this paper has as reference or articles of retor difference that of Teodorani and the two thousand four and clearly, there is a chapter of this paper or an article that is the number fifteen, which is precisely the reference of one thousand nine hundred seventy- six, when calp Siguen theorized about the possibility of life in the atmosphere of Jupiter, precisely with a way

1:00:16 of life different from that which we have conceptualized. So here we enter where this multi- disciplinary debate finally begins, because different areas of knowledge are required to be able to face this type of information at the level we are talking about. First, of physical elements, second, with a behavior that has already been detected during at least ten space missions. Third, they are in an atmosphere, but at the same time they come down and they can be made present or visible, even practically the surface and there we have a solution for certain manifestations that were still unknown now. But what about those observations of phenomena that are introduced, for example, in the Volcanoes. They will be within themselves, they will be of the same type, they will be similar, they will be cousins, they will be brothers, they will have nothing to do with it. That I think is already an edge that has to be investigated by other specialists who, otherwise, also see those records and start to gather this information. Because in the end, indeed, if we take the caseuistics, much of that caseuistics could be solved, leaving some still unknown.

1:01:34 But it could be settled. But if you don' t talk about a world of possibilities that are even more complex. As Jorge rightly said, the theme of life itself is not only that of life, but if we see a star map and realize the sidereal distances of the Universe, if we realize the age of the Universe, which is thirteen seven hundred million years, and we see that at that age of the Universe, if we make a calendar from one January to thirty- one December, we appear on thirty- one December at eleven fifty- two in the night. It actually gives way to think that there may be thousands of other forms, not just of life, but of any number of possibilities of everything and that we are just opening up a little bit. We are awakened, that is to say we have always been present for today we are already opening this debate where it has to happen, which is precisely with a argument with references, where we can specifically understand that this is a little more complex and that, as Einstein rightly said, it has already been shown that light behaves as a wave and as particles.

1:02:45 Well, it' s time to put it into practice. Indeed, no, and here' s a very crazy thing. Also, for example, fix that note so good that it has made Rodrigo Bravo right now. How many films there are of spheres of light entering the search the other day we interviewed Rafael Mercado, the Peruvian researcher, journalist, researcher who told us cases, for example, in the Volcanoes, that there is near the city of Arequipa Vaya. Debate I do not know if we are going to draw conclusions today or we are going to ask more questions, I think there is one thing that is clear, that we all love that science gets involved in this. Now there' s a super complex thing going on, because it ' s not the typical omni that' s coming and it' s abducting or taking out the videos. The pentagon is not a fourth state of matter and it seems that what it does is that it behaves intelligently. Fricaro that while I was listening to all the guests tonight, a case came to mind that for me is the craziest thing in the history of ufology, but that is key that can have a connection with this and that would give it to another dimension. I am talking about the 12th of July of the year one thousand nine hundred and eighty- four, in a Soviet ship on Sayud seven the following happens. I' m going to read here as well as litras.

1:04:13 The cosmonauts of Sayud seven reported seeing a strange orange glow around the spaceship. They thought it was initially a gas leak, but it looked like the entire station was surrounded by an orange cloud. As they looked at her, the cloud was taking shape. Suddenly there was a kind of explosion of orange light that blinded them. When the astronauts regained sight, they looked outside at the gates of the ship and what they saw amazed them. They described having seen seven colossal- sized angelic figures shining and floating in space next to the ship. These winged figures remained on one side of the Russian station for ten minutes before disappearing, the Aznauts were called quizin alone. Jeff and Actov described that as huge figures, even saying they could get more than twenty- four meters tall guys and if this plan more escape after becoming angels and even religion.

1:05:29 It has to do with this. I think I' m saying, so making that case of the seound seven crazy seems to me to be something tremendously spectacular. What do you think, folks, I don' t even know who it was to talk to anymore. So there you have the bugs and comment what you want, but I suddenly remembered this case isn' t the only time aside. Tell me Fernando, it' s been a while since Fernando Hillebran spoke. It' s two seconds, that' s all, and I think I' m gonna slide and hard, but Mira was listening to you, I was listening to you and I' m coming up with a moment of reflection from those moments that you sometimes try to hide.

1:06:10 You know I was just remembering this salut seven event, which is so, so strong, that Andrea appeared Montini and had the opportunity to talk to one of the cosmonauts that well, this cosmonaut told them what' s going on is that these angelic angelic figures greeted us from the outside, that the greeted gave, moved those limbs like hands and did as a greeting, and we couldn' t believe it. Best of all, when that crew goes down to the ground, they tell them, well, they probably had an oxygen problem. Maybe it wasn' t the right concentration and they were hallucinating.

1:06:53 The second mission that replaces them sees exactly the same thing. And that' s when there' s no explanation anymore. I don' t get that out. It' s very, very, very interesting that case and they have many edges. Now. Suppose it' s plasma, suppose that plasma is alive and intelligent. Suppose that plasma is not only alive is intelligent, but, as Verlanda proposes, these clouds that are orbiting the earth of dust and plasma could be a sort of cloud of information from the entire history of the planet and these forms of life have access to that. Imagine that those life forms, to try to seem friendly to us, decide to take a form that we can identify as an angelic form. That speaks of an intelligence very, very, very symbolic, very powerful, because in addition they would be somehow also reading the history of humanity. But to that we' d have to add a little detail, which I think we don' t have to lose sight of tonight' s NASA source. Ninety- nine point nine percent of the visible universe is plasma. It' s made up of plasma,

1:08:24 so if this fourth state of matter is the ninety- nine point nine percent visible in the universe and there' s plasma life in that whole universe, maybe we' re taking as primitive life forms something that' s been here for a long time and that we can' t even start thinking or understanding the kind of intelligence that it can get to have, because if these things could communicate with each other in a way that we still don' t understand how all life is, try to do it. Let' s put planets by I don' t know cells or by bodies, and try to communicate between them, between the different bodies of a planetary system the information they would have access to. I think a hundred million years we could begin to understand it. I mean, I threw myself in the pool, and it was going to be anything there, and that speculation was nothing more, but ninety- nine percent of the visible universe, yes, it' s a fact that it' s a figure. What you said seems wonderful to me.

1:09:32 No throwing yourself in the pool, I mean, I think it' s great to see that I was thinking about maybe because I took this case, which is that it came to me. It came to mind. And now I' m going to say one thing. The most disturbing aspect of the OMNI phenomenon is worth the redundancy, and here are five researchers. Today is when those objects or the crew members of those objects approach us and are able to enter our mind notice that curious about the seven sayut it is worth that suddenly that thing, which was plasma, takes the form of angels why.

1:10:12 Because if you want to communicate with someone, it' s better to go as an angel than not as a demon. But how do they know they have to be angel- shaped and not rabbit- shaped, for example? Sure, sure, I mean, that' s the sheath, I mean, I think the key' s right there. What do you think is really tremendous? I think there' s a topic here that actually spread a little bit, which means the dimension of what we' re talking about, which is very complex. Or I think here, when we start, there' s the turo. We' re doing philosophy. It was logical around here, yes, but it' s great. I mean, we ' re five onion grandparents chatting. There' s no lack of wine.

1:11:00 I' ll get a bottle, I' ll get one. But it ' s true, that is because in the end I think that the greatest challenge we all have is to forgive Rodrigo who cuts you from knowing what milk the phenomenon is. Yes, yes, there we have and since we are and as Fernando says, that he threw the pool after waiting for Jorge' s swimming pool, I am going to throw mine asta that here there are two phenomena that are fundamental that we have discussed in other programs, which is the original phenomena of our civilization, myth and primitive religion. I invite you to deepen in one other way. There is a book that is extraordinary called The elemental form of the religious life of Emiliam Durkem, where it is a little established that precisely primitive religion goes hand in hand with these kinds of phenomena that are considered as religious. But to what extent, to what extent this kind of demonstrations I' m not, I mean, my pool doesn' t have as much water as the braking that might have a different way to get into the heads of some people who are witnesses. They may be, they may be, and in fact, Jack Valet wrote it down. Our relander wrote it. Frede Alexi Llaga in Chile wrote it. That is to say, that is already for euphology and that is an area that I, the truth is that I do not manage so much, but I do agree that this, in one other way, has another character and it must be analyzed also with people who, hopefully, have a much deeper understanding of what

1:12:31 symbolic language and semiotic language means, at the same time with what is iconography, iconology, lexiology, in short, because there it seems a component that is linked to us, to our culture, to our civilization. I don ' t know if the archetypal point of view is no longer that. That ' s a subject for many more programs, but here we realize that this is the tip ifer So, here we could develop a lot of ideas that clearly wish every specialist in their area could go deepening it, because slowly it opens this and I find it fascinating. Look. I think the five of us here are doing like those eleven scientists. There' s something you don ' t understand. They tell him. Let' s throw balls at this and see if we bring something up against Alejandro, it' s not really that Rodrigo tell me they' re going to see don' t Dale, sorry, sorry Rodrigo just said something great, because in reality, this is happening a long time ago and it' s still happening. One of my journalistic sources is John Ramirez, who is a retired CIA agent, who was in charge of an orb research program for the CIA and for the United States Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I didn' t know that' s what I' m giving, what a tip. He' s given a few interviews.

1:13:51 He' s in an impasse right now. That' s why you haven ' t interviewed him for a while. I don' t know why he can' t give interviews, but what I do know because he told it publicly and then I could consult him privately and he told me exactly the same thing. It' s just this. When you ask this man why he suddenly decides to ask permission from the CIA to start talking about these orbs, these orbs that are like spheres of light. He explains. What happens is that when I met one of these sips, with one of these spheres of light, he approached me and told me that I had to talk about this, that I had to communicate it. He gave me a way and even told me a person I had to talk to and get in touch with, that I can' t say his name. Look at this because if this, as Rodrigo says, has been happening for millennia, well, we would also have many answers regarding religions, beliefs, events that sometimes seem fortuitous and that may not be so much just that nothing, but it is that you too are on the spot, as said Rodrigo. I mean, let' s see the theme is that the UFO phenomenon has changed the history of humanity and that' s a beard. Let' s see everything takes that new testament and opens it if it turns out that there is a sphere of light that goes through the sky and separates in the house in which they are going to make the messiah, Jesus Christ takes it there is worth it or it

1:15:21 is a sphere of light that goes through the sky and is to be committed, do not stand on top of a house. You know what I mean, and that' s the signal that initiates use to get to that point. In three, only three kings, mare Mago, yes, indeed, that this is very controversial, because really in the Bible, in which we have it in Greek, says Maggie, says Mago exactly John, who we were talking about, that I think this debate is wonderful about various referents from the point of view of science and as I was right to say in a previous block annest Halfven this Nobel Prize in Swedish physics, of which our theory of the electrical universe is derived and which spoke of this particle of ambiplasm and came to mind Juan Ge also of other referents that we have mentioned a lot in these spaces a research that the Italian American scientist Rullero Santilly did on an antimatter telescope, an investigation that was published in the year two thousand sixteen that by the way, also had an impact on the British press by Daily Express and basically what he published at this time. At that time, this scientist is that he had developed a telescope of concave lenses that allowed him to detect antimatter and at one point in one of his investigations, he decided to set a trap in flower exactly Juan Ge and decided to point that telescope towards the sky here, towards the atmosphere instead of the stars, instead of the stars and found entities or particles or beings as he calls it, which, according

1:16:56 to Rugiero' s vision and hypothesis, santill were like a kind of vigilant beings that would be from the sky, looking at interacting to a certain extent with us. And it will be to us that these beings that this man was able to grasp, would also be these plans. Well, those beings also had the same form. They were cylinders, they were spheres that were angel- shaped. They were cylinders. Sphere or similar to that of this study and very similar indeed to that of this study plus that from Santil. It' s funny because you put it on the Internet. The program that I did at that time, on Blue Radio about these flipping then, of course, must also be taken into account. Jorge Luis sub Torf friend, what do you think about already taking out the wine and you were already here take out the wine and tell him we didn' t all stick to the pool. I' m here listening and enjoying. I would tone down the expectation a little, because for me it is report. What he is explaining to us in large part is that he opened up a new phenomenon to explain several things, but he would be running us, at least in a first instance, I think, from a matter of life or intelligence. As much as they say he' s moving, but they don' t say he ' s moving will either. That' s the first thing I think about and another one or I' d like since I' m a little bit more. He' s not sceptical, because I think every time you explain

1:18:26 something, he' s magnified what he' s explaining to us. But I think this would give us a more coherent explanation of a lot of things, which is what we have to look for. We have to always try to rule out everything possibly explicable and then ask ourselves what has no explanation. These scientists are rehearsing, I think, a different explanation, but an explanation that would enter into a more natural world. I mean, I think it would run from us thinking of a technological construction of some civilization that is coming that is watching us or of all these hypotheses, although clearly, this does not explain everything in any way. It does explain a part, if they can explain it, because I think the road is really very long on the subject of the Angels and all that is more of a case. I, when I did last year' s show, found many other similar accounts, some more direct, others more indirect, but there are many cases of strange things among astronauts that usually end up posing as hallucinations. But it' s disturbing how they repeat that I know I' m going to delirious to the other side and I think you all will know. But all these theories are developed on a trip to the stars in a wonderful way, and I think seeing the stars travel with pencil and paper in hand helps to try to explain

1:19:57 many things a real wonder. This pool we have all given ourselves, if in the end the issue of the OMNI phenomenon, which is that it is very complex. That is because it is something that I am convinced, that I have modified human history, that has changed our thinking, that has to do with religious phenomena. I always put the same case. I haven' t had an OMNIA sighting. So say my mother, this is a pass. But, for example, researching these issues and another day I' ll do a podcast of that. I have already promised it several times when I find a case in the jaen billiards year, in a thousand nine hundred ninety - six, and I end up working and lying at the Arab Euro Foundation to be able to translate three words that were written in tamasig in ancient Saharan, into a stone that falls to a man who throws a gentleman right at him in a good sight OMNI is one is as if this wanted to communicate, as if suddenly he took archetypes like angels, as if suddenly they tried, for that to throw messages through an ancient writing. And well, we ' ve started talking, trying to understand the OMNI phenomenon, although the key and I don' t remember anymore or who actually said it, I think it was Jorge or Rodrigo or Fernando I don' t remember, is that

1:21:27 this group of scientists what they are doing is, like estata, a totally new phenomenon, novel, although the videos were there, as Fernando Hilder said, and the videos are clearer than the water. But, as negationism always said, ice is dust space. I don' t know what, and now, all of a sudden these guys say it' s not even nostalgic dust. It is a new phenomenon that we have to face and what I find incredible, although Ferrando Hildrran has criticized them a little because they vary is that they have had to face the phenomenon. The open mind and they' ve said hears and if it' s a kind of life form, even if we don' t understand it, it' s trying to communicate with us. I think the key and the shots I think go around, Rodrigo Bravo, who has been talking to us about what you think for a long time, is that I think that this is a new phenomenon above all.

1:22:26 It is one of more clients of the Homni phenomenon, it is one more side. But we must also understand there the very definition they give that, as plasma, it is composed of trillion electrons, the neutral electric field and photons. And when we talk about photons, we talk about light. When we talk about photons and we talk about light, there' s something very interesting, which is that light, yes or yes, sends energy package. And that, in another way, we begin to talk already about what is called quantum superimposition, that that is already very interesting, because we have to start to internalize that small subject that, at the same time allows us to understand sometimes the very abnormal behavior of these manifestations or this plasma by its own characteristics, that is, when we talk about quantum superimposition, that is, that two particles of light can transmit information without being connected to each other.

1:23:25 There, from a philosophical point of view, we are talking about magic of the physical point of view, we are talking about quantum overlap, but we must begin to discuss and begin to understand, because how many optical cases today we have in that as a range of possibilities today can solve or, at least, approach a solution with this hypothesis that is being put forward here, that are largely ionized plasma, that is in some way in layers of the atmosphere and that, under different circumstances, approaches the super And in that approach of the surface not only interacts with whoever is flying, but sometimes even with people who are on the surface. And that' s already an extraordinary advance and I think we have to go, as Jorge says very well, step by step. True, this requires much more study and more deepening, more debate, but we already give a light at the end of the tunnel remember that and be honest. Before two thousand twenty- one, this is completely closed, without any possibility of not even discussing it, because if we discussed it, we were talking about fantasy or science, fiction or here we are talking and already things that are at least presented to be refuted. So it ' s a substantial advance. If this is part, if this is part of the UAP classification that originated the two thousand twenty- one and that comes

1:24:57 the two thousand twenty- two said to culminate the two thousand twenty- six. If today, two thousand twenty- four we are talking about this already as a form possibility of it would priminate. I guess we' re going to talk about next year to my person who' s going to be in the two thousand sixteen, it' s not going to be hilarious. I ' ll get the wine. The next one brings me the wine. But look what Rodrigo said. So important that that kind of plasma can have a thing called quantum overlay. That means you can communicate through those particles of light that have a reflection, a mirror, not in this galaxy within the universe. And that' s a barbarity, because that' s what some researchers have talked about in an American. I don' t remember the name now that I was commenting that the OMNI phenomenon was just like a kind of movie that sent us from another part of the universe, that they weren' t even physically here, and then of course this plasma thing seems wonderful to me, because of course it can be communicating with a part of the farthest part of the universe in an instant without having to travel at the speed of light.

1:26:05 That opens up the possibility that I think is also what Nestor Berlanda was proposing, that it is unfortunate that he was not able to record him for a few minutes this week, which is that this is like a species, these plasmas as a kind of door to other fixed realities. The philosophical things I' ve put on and I haven' t taken weird, the only thing I' ve missed today, in the absence of any, was the glass of wine, the next one. Next time, I' ll bring it along, and it' s good to stress it again. I think it' s wonderful that science gets into this and what you' re describing is a new phenomenon that has to do with the OMNI phenomenon, because we ' re really talking about things that fly unidentified. I' m not going to say objects, because plasma would be the fourth state of matter, but that interact with us and have all that complexity and that you can even talk about them being a way of life, even if we don' t understand it. I think it' s wonderful. Well, what' s also been news a few weeks ago if it went super viral. I don' t know if you' ve seen it in particular, it was in Iraq that a video of a jellyfish- shaped OMNI was leaked, and there was also talk of the possibility that that jellyfish- shaped OMNI was also an extraterrestrial biological entity. Alejandro Banal Tell us that with all luxury of detail. It basically hears this record that was obtained in October from two thousand and eighteen at a U S military base in Iraq. We' re talking about a few

1:27:40 years ago. It was leaked and published through the media by an old acquaintance of this program Juange, Mr Jeremy Corbell, this documentary artist who mentioned it the most carte gets all the leaks, because he has some good friends in the pentagon. Or this or anyone who understands it. Fernando Hillebrand, I ' m sure he can' t clarify a bit, as you would say, in Spain he' s more plugged in than who knows what. But very well because of this ot the plug and has a very good friend who is called Jorghnapp, with whom, by the way, makes a very popular podcast on YouTube that is called a weponist, where, by the way, they were also analyzing this. But this video of the Omnime by Usa Juan Ge was leaked by a documentary released by an American television network TMC, a documentary called Revolution Omnick, where Jeremy corbell showed fragments of this video and explained the context in which it was obtained and, in effect, was recorded in October of two thousand eighteen on an American base in Iraq. It could only be detected by thermal camera, because the object presents temperature variations that are evident in the video and something very curious happens Juan, which turns out that this object is flying over this base. Then he goes to a body of water, presumably a lake according to what Corbelle says is submerged for seventeen minutes.

1:29:00 After that time, Emerge made a rather strange move in forty- five degrees and the American military failed to appreciate it. What Corbell and other researchers argue about this is that clearly this movement and these characteristics would go hand in hand with one of the descriptions that experts have taken from the US government, the transmedia capabilities that these unidentified flying objects would have, an object that was making a trajectory in the sky. Then it goes under and water, dives, comes out and performs really amazing movements. Yeah, it' s good.

1:29:41 It is a very different type of omnim and it practically looks like a jellyfish and the thermal chamber that was controlling this American military base, since it captures it and the object passes as above. As above it passes above the base in such and besides that then the base to military. Everyone was talking about that story that and so forth, Fernando Hill of Brann, you analyzed it on your YouTube channel on the science mystery signal this video. Yeah, we ' ve been looking at it backwards, forwards, stabilizing it, trying to find out what it could be. At first, there was literally talk of pigeon poop. Dove poop, the mother seriously, if you challenge this pigeon poop explanation is in the lens of the House. But no, no, no, it definitely wasn' t this, because, besides, when I ' m sorry, today we' re for the Brindis, yes we' re serious when you stabilize the video and you realize that the object rotates slightly to its right and returns to centrality. I mean, it' s a three- dimensional object that' s flying over this base and it' s going through it on a flight that the truth isn' t as explicable as it is for that first sight. The other possibility was that it was a

1:31:11 balloon arrangement widely used for certain festivities that now I don' t remember which were the one that was the researcher of an Arab party, but I saw the balloons ace and that looked like that. No, no. But besides, not only is it a question of how it looks, it doesn' t look like it, but when you have a balloon hanging from another balloon, hanging from another balloon, flying through the air they go everywhere. Balloons don' t stay static like this flying structure. The reality is that it ' s a big unknown, so I could find out, so I could find out even by talking to some sources in the United States. The videos exist, there are many videos of this. Apparently, there would be four different shots, four different video sources and that is there would be the video where you see the object submerge and then it comes out of the water seventeen minutes later. But it would not have leaked because obviously, not everything can be filtered if they would have been or would be in the power of Kirpatrick ' s hoop, good ex te Ekippatrick, because he retired in December, although he is still an honorary advisor. This needs to be clarified, because it is Kirir Patrick, of course, and it is part of the material that they have kept that good nothing have been published and that we do not know were to publish at some point, because surely it is very difficult to explain. What the gendarmes who were there at the base at that time say

1:32:43 is that they told him the monster of Espaguetti is the name that you had it This is the pasta par was the name that they had put it and that there was no explanation. Literally. The other day of this event comes an intelligence agent asks for the videos are apparently delivered to him this video that we can see that there are two. And look out for this, because it' s two different videos running first posts the video where you see the monster of Spaguenty passing over the base and then you see it flying over already the lake from which it would have left after diving is interesting, I think good material. There' s correlation with other events, there' s a couple of very interesting videos, going around the web many years ago on this topic and it' s not the first time they' ve talked to me about something like that. Here, in Argentina. I remember about two or three cases of people who have told me look, which I saw weirder than you think. She looked like a flying jellyfish. And it' s those strange cases that I think are the most interesting of all, because tonight we ' re talking about the possibility of unknown life. Well, I don' t know if this would apply exactly to me. It gives me more the

1:34:14 idea of something technological, of something physical because of this question of its own rigidity. But, well, you might get prosecuted in some of these explanations. Well, yeah, I' ve commented on it because it' s been a very important hate story in the last few weeks, because there was also talk about whether it could be a kind of alien biological entity. Although I agree more with Fernando, that is because I was also seeing analyses in three of the object and that they turned it and so on. And of course it' s weird, it doesn' t mean it has to be a biological entity much less. Rodrigo Bravo. I don' t know if you came from you You' re a military pilot. I don' t know if you' ve come to watch the video to see some pictures that you think of. I checked it out. I' m not on an image list, but I checked it out. I also did everything within my possibilities, little possibilities, but of course it' s a strange video.

1:35:12 The other thing is that it' s quite, I mean, it' s two thousand eighteen, as Alexander well said, but it came out recently. But I' m struck by two things and there' s the first. To justify a video that has no explanation, the arguments given to refute them are more ridiculous. That already happens to a level that we laugh at because it' s absurd. But, on the other hand, drawing attention when the pentagon made by Harto Rato himself or herself has to be giving voice to this issue. He says they don' t comment on the authenticity of the material, yes I have leaked, but the defense does have to take this issue very seriously and I there, in a way, that' s the official version. We know that there are still a lot of things that are its underground, a lot of things that are not going to be known.

1:36:01 But there is a switch in the sense that today this is already a topic of debate, it is a topic of conversation. There are already published reports, they are every year, from two thousand twenty- one upwards with different information. As Alexander rightly said and read, the concept of transmedia anomaly is the one that is best suited to all these kinds of manifestations today, because we insist again. There is the one observed on the ground, in the air, in the sea, but now and there this idea, which is in the electromagnetic spectrum, that is sometimes not visible to humans, but it is visible for electronic equipment or the other way around. Then I insist again. This video itself shows for a change something that because inside the information delivered by Jeremy Corber said I' m submerging from the UGO for seven minutes, but that' s not registered. So it' s like the attached information that complements you to this in order to give you a context. Anyway, as you say the bunch of birthday balloons or that followed the pigeon poop, it' s ridiculous, it' s absurd, I mean, it ' s a mockery. Finally, I don' t know what to say is, as I suddenly insist there if it' s going to be doing that kind of analogy, because it' s like making fun of people.

1:37:31 Yes, of course it is as Jorge Luis Subtor has commented, when the OMNI case of Campeche, where eleven to thirteen objects are seen and the military are there watching it with the Chamber, say they are not confused, if it is the reflection of an oil wells that is. I mean, it ' s more ridiculous than saying they' re extraterrestrial, they' re invading the earth, I mean. It doesn' t make sense, Jorge Luis Subtor, what you thought of this video. I think, on the other hand, you' re no longer very convinced. No, no, I ' m not much of a friend of this video. I really like the explanation you just gave fer and it makes me think a lot of things. I, when I see it, see it too close to the camera and the lens and I would like to have some more testimony in the first person to understand if anyone really saw it. If no one saw him. I see it very close to the lens. I see it as something that is.

1:38:25 No pigeon poop, because it clearly has an independent movement, but it looks like a choreography, it seems something that is put there on purpose. I don' t see it believable, so I don' t have the truth at all, but when I see it, it falls to me and I see it too close to the lens, I see that the movement is always too organic when something is so perfect for me, the truth is very striking to me. I may be totally wrong, but without elements to be able to raise it more objectively nothing. When we were getting there the other day, I was really laughing at this video. I can be totally wrong.

1:39:05 What I' m not wrong about is that I wouldn' t accept the wine if it doesn' t come with some cheeses around it' s okay and a little ham. No, I can' t get married, or maybe I wish I had some serrano ham, effect and give a whisky here. I don' t know if they want to give him who lives here. You don' t know how to live outside. Yeah, yeah, I' m always here, here' s one forging. Gather the choir, it' s coming together, it' s coming together, it ' s faking one. But anyway, gentlemen, we' ve got ten minutes, ten minutes and nothing left. I wanted to emphasize this a little bit and how nothing, nothing, nothing. I see Rodrigo opened wine.

1:39:55 No. No, no, no, no, I' ll be honest when you guys don' t drink and without that I don' t drink. Yes, yes, but to complement it, here we were discussing and I want to give a greeting that my husband is listening to me, is my daughter, but I still have to throw this joke that after the wine I am and the ham, the friends are missing for the night to be imperfect, for the night to be perfect. Your wife, your daughter, is listening to you and your cousin, who tweeted. There and from there I' m booked everywhere. That' s why, that, that, that information. I think tomorrow you' ll have to cook nothing, nothing that you told me, that you make a very good lamb. So, so nothing. I have to go aim at the if we don' t get depressed, yeah, hey, but when you want to come and see a spike, I' ll wait for you with a cordellius and a lot of centolla. Come on, I love the accent already there in Chile, anyway, well. Sir we are coming to the end of the program and we have two minutes each that of course, we have communication plans for us to make conclusions and close. Not that in the end, well, because we have this new phenomenon there, well, new, no, but that science is seeing it as new and as tremendously researchable and that a group of scientists do it, that is, great and then we have derived in the Holy God. This makes the phenomenon neither more complex nor more complex. Or we' re starting to decipher the tip of ICEBR and we already have a

1:41:28 phenomenon, part of the phenomenon that can be related to other things. But that' s there and they' re investigating it and I think this is a wonderful thing. So, conclusion and closing of each. I don' t know why? Why do you want to start, or come for the one you want to start? What do you want out there? That I don' t want to send this with a charade. I' m gonna tell you this, and I' m gonna lock up here quick. No, you don' t have two minutes without fear. And the key to this paper should be to pay attention to the fact that these plasmas have the possibility to travel dust in space and this dust if it contains condrita carbonacia, which is something that has been demonstrated in laboratory, which contains the dust through which it functions through plasma, at least in laboratories here on earth. Well, it' s possible that nucleotides and amino acids that are found in space are part of these plasmoids and can or have the potential, according to the paper, to behave like RNA or even DNA. So this leads to the possibility that some plasmas may have an rn an inner RNA world, which are the bricks of life or pre- life. It' s very interesting and to this you have to pay a lot of attention to Paper After, the last thing I' m going to say the sun also has plasma. It ' s a lot of plasma. Ours, our star, is a lot

1:43:00 of plasma. And that made me remember Jack Ballet and how Jack Ballet has this idea of leading intelligence and the control system, that there' s an intelligence going around. I also remembered a film that seems to me to have marked us all. And that movie was one of the first scenes that that close encounter. The third guy has a man who' s poor sitting on a porch. Yeah, and what does it say? Last night the sun came up and sang to me? And I repeat it all the time. Last night the sun came up and sang to me, as if a plasma had suddenly appeared to him in front of him and he had said or sung something. And we have to remember that film was justly advised by Jaccoulet.

1:43:49 It' s a whole world to discover. I think it' s great and I hope we' ll continue this debate another day. Securely friend, listen, by the way your social networks and people, of course I listen to the YouTube channel highly recommended with the best interviews on the continent regarding the topic OMNI in the sign science and mystery your social networks, Fernando Hilder yes, the signal zince mysteries on YouTube seek it like this directly. This week we' re going to have Ablo Ev right now we' re going to be talking about life in space in a little bit. Let' s get you Stephen Basset and we' re gonna have Kevin Canut, who' s another astrophysicist who' s giving you talk and some other little surprises coming soon.

1:44:30 So feel there, but also on Instagram it throws science and mysteries and on Tiktok it also throws science mysteries. Thank you very much, my friend, for sharing this evening with us. Jorge, thank you, folks. Name You, George or Rodrigo, who you want conclusion infers the one who invited us, the centocha and the lamb first. Please, today' s fine. All right, you guys gave me give him Rodriguez, man not, if you have to organize, if nothing, give him Rodrigo without fear, already good. I insist the limitation is open. You guys need to get organized. I' ll wait here for you to the point you' re finished, that' s good for conclusion. In fact, I digested very punctual things, because this has no conclusion, but, on the contrary, it is open. I do not know if we deepened it, but they left it open that my British defense history had made, as I have already announced, that they were analyzing this kind of thing and I believe that other organizations at the global level, both in Chile and Uruguay, too.

1:45:50 But here we need a turro report. Two two the Turros deformes that took place between the twenty of September or the four of October ninety- seven meetings twenty- four scientists to exclusively speak of abnormal aerial phenomena or of hoven phenomena that had a degree of validity or of strength so that an academic panel can make it known, among other things transfromadas and, of course, hestallen that they have no solution and had no solution. Today, perhaps with this information that exists you can approach a higher percentage of solution and also see problems that are in the air that have not been solved, that is, a new scientific, academic conclave is required and hopefully it will not be one, but it will be several, because these will increase exponentially. More data, more records, more videos, like the one presented by friend Jeremy Corbel, like other witnesses who are going to come out in the new ones, in the new statements of intelligence cognité, of defense and this comes in a very brutal way from here. The two thousand twenty- six, then we have to gradually process what we have today as information, because this is increasing and the two thousand twenty- six we' re going to be talking maybe with a step more or two ahead. And that' s very good. And that must also be recorded, because it is history, and it is history within

1:47:23 this subject, within this phenomenon and within I believe, of what the history of humanity means. Thank you so much, Rodrigo. How they can follow you. Well, cobuphoning on Twitter, but how they can follow you and your YouTube channel I don' t know if you keep doing things. There ' s a small channel called investigators. I hope to be able to invite each of you to talk a little bit about this topic and when your jobs are left, we have my Twitter, which is gobuphon arroba and Instagram arroba and a bass buffoon. There' s everything. Published. On March 23rd we presented in the morning the third edition of the Uni Book from Chile and I believe that in the afternoon there is an activity that, if I am not mistaken, comes stopping live in Andrea. That' s good, that ' s good Too bad I can' t be around to eat that lamb and that accent. Ya bueno Omni from Chile that you can also buy for amazone across the continent. Book represent the third edition and we will see that organize some things that Jorge Luis and Alia can travel to Chile, because we are here to make a more forceful presentation and here at least there is a lot of interest and great enthusiasm in making this known to the Community, to the people is, but it is via reception. So help me out here.

1:48:48 Let' s get this straight, sure as hell, friends, thank you so much, as always radigorab Jorge, Luis suugdo friend, your conclusion, your closure, your social networks, the OMNIC footprint, that wonderful podcast and your YouTube channel. All Jorge, all together with good. I have just signed up for Rodrigo' s channel, which is not subscribed. I think this is a novelty. I think that' s good news. I think it would be unfair to say that this is the first time science is involved. Or that science is getting involved, because today we talk about many names, of many scientists that have been for years. Efforts are being made to apply parts or the scientific method of seeking explanations. I think it' s interesting to start expanding the world and the visions and that it' s essential to have your head open for that to happen. You have to be encouraged to ask the questions, but you have to lay down what comes when you ask those questions and that' s what this is all about. They find me on Instagram as Jorge Luisse' s official arroba, on Twitter as Jorge Luisse' s screenplay under seventy- seven. I have a podcast called The Ovni Bone and I have a YouTube channel that, putting the Omnia Bone to my last name that is impossible in either way, will be able to find it. It' s an honor for me you' ll be listening to them. So it' s wonderful for me to be in this place with people who, besides admiring, want a lot. Many thanks to my tremendously happy friend to make such a beautiful panel like this, Alejandro Bernato.

1:50:24 Conclusion of these circles very quickly because we' re out of time. I believe that this study opens up one more edge within the complexity of the OMNI phenomenon. I think it is an element that adds that does not detract from the omnis that were denounced by David Grution of the United States Congress or cases such as Rosewall' s and other cases of other types of aircraft. It ' s just one more element that adds to this great puzzle of the omnim phenomenon I find it fascinating that science is getting into this and you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok steals it from the portman the Thank you so much, my friend. My conclusion, because the first thing that I have been tremendously happy about in this program because thanks to the investigation of the OMNI phenomenon and the topics of mystery in general, I can say that I have friends for half a continent and that that you notice with Rodrigo Bravo, I do not even know physically that I have a great time, that reaching conclusions is very difficult, because what I have clear is that the phenomenon is real. But, look, I' m going to keep a couple of words that I said today Rodrigo Bravo, super quantum position. It won ' t be these things that surround our atmosphere and that are inside our atmosphere like some kind of phone that we could talk to other parts of the galaxy or the universe. I think it' s a possibility we shouldn' t

1:51:57 forget. As his works and research, psychiatrist Nestor Berlanda, also comment, are opening doors to other worlds. We have them in front of us, even if we don' t know how they work or understand them, but they' re there, they challenge us and I think they' re part of us and our history. And never forget that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery