Los Tayos, entrada a un mundo olvidado

0:08 Hello, everyone How are you there? My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, the journalist, writer and director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. In the middle of the Ecuadorian jungle, the Tallos cave, which is immersed within the territory of the Shuar natives, has been giving what to talk about for many decades. It was almost in the middle of the last century that Father Crespi, a priest, collected a lot of metal sheets that had engravings that looked like Sumerians and Father Crespi was told that these plates came directly from there from the cave of the Stems. Then it was an Argentine explorer, Juan Moritz, who entered the cave of the Tallos to affirm that really in this cave, in this site there was a library that told us about the most forgotten aspects of our humanity. A whole mystery that continues to resist because still today expeditions to the cave of the stems are made looking for their mysteries.

1:11 But if you want to know about this and much more don' t miss the last mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio the Stems the entrance to a forgotten world. There are places I don' t know why, but they call the mystery from ancient times, places that are sacred, places that are magical. And when the 20th century and the 21st century come, that magic is rewritten and thousands of people try to get there, diving in its secret, trying to understand its mystery. Although the magic of these places is that they only open a small door to those who go with an open mind.

2:02 In this case, what I am referring to is the Tallos cave in Ecuador, submerged in the Ecuadorian jungle, a sacred place for the Shuwar, for the Jíbaros, for them a door to the underworld, or more than call it underworld, which is a word that may have some connotation, which may be negative. It darkens a door to an underground world where enigmatic and ancient gods beings of legend live that for the Schwarts are real, and now you will see that for the explorers of this cave they are also. The cave of the stems becomes famous worldwide because decades ago a priest, Father Carlos Crespi, assured that they had brought him from the cave of the stems, golden metal plates where the history of humanity appeared, with very strange symbols that seemed like, for example, the ancient Sumerian, the cuneiform script. Later, an Argentine speleologist of Hungarian origin, Juan Moricz, entered the cave and here is already famous worldwide. Because Juan Moritz says publicly that, even if they think he is crazy under the cave of the stems, in Ecuador there is a hidden underground world. Suddenly, those archaeological pieces disappeared, but the mystery

3:37 and legend had already run through the world. Researchers as important as Eric Bondaniken had echoed this news and the cave of the stems became famous worldwide. It is still a place today, where it is necessary to make an expedition to walk in the jungle, sleep in the jungle in the company of the indigenous or who are the ones that give permission to enter it and dive in its secrets. A fascinating world one day I' d like to explore. And here I make the promise that one day I have to go I hope it ' s on one of the author' s trips that I make for you. You want to point to some adventurers, because this if it is adventure in Indiana jones the Amazon basin and its ministry, the mysteries of the Amazon, for me one of the most enigmatic regions of the world, with thousands of legends that tell us about those ancestral beings that today are still alive good night nocturnals. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo? What you want to follow me on social networks, in my tweets Juan que Vallejo, Juan J Vallejo, on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is journalism of my mystery. We put the facts on the table and you decide what' s behind it and what' s not. What do you think about this story I' ve

5:09 told you about the Cave of Stems. It is this place in Ecuador, the door to an underground world still to be known. There' s a library inside that cave. Some think that even Atlante, who tells us about how the past of humanity was a mystery to discover. You know what I ' m doing this year, in September from the 22nd of September to the 1st of October, I' ll be doing an author' s trip to Egypt. You want to discover and know what the mystery of the pyramids is like, being inside one of the world' s largest rock block mole, with more than two and a half million stone blocks. You want to navigate through the magic thread, because all the information about that author trip to Egypt, I repeat from September 22 to October 1 day, you have it on the website. Three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com I repeat, Three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo with the mystery family, traveling and knowing the enigmas of the world, living an ancient magic that is written in stone and that today we can still feel and understand and start without further delay. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how are you? Very well, Juan Ge, a greeting for you, also for our guests of exception of this episode of mystery night, Maria, José Robayo, Sebastián Almeida and Gonzalo Gill, also all those who consume this content through the podcast that we publish on the YouTube channel, Caracol Radio

6:43 and on this occasion speaking of one of the most enigmatic places in the world, an authentic jewel here in South America, the cave of the stems in Ecuador. Juan Ge epicenter of a series of stories, a vergel of stories, two legends, The pure and hard riddle of the cave of the stems. In this episode Jorge, in fact, the pure and hard riddle because he is not exempt from his polemics. If now we will see, because well, the idea of doing this podcast arises because a few months ago between you saw María José Roballo and Sebastián Almeida in hiding, behind the shadow on the YouTube channel that I run and the amount of things that they told me, left me so in shock. Apart from the audience of that podcast, it was very high and I told this story. We' re going to bring her to Calacol Radio to have her in full detail in these two hours of program and we' re going to start with all the guests that we have a lot, that this I want to be a great chat between friends, among people from the mystery family, that' s what we are.

7:47 And the first person who is already several times in mystery night is Miss Maria José Roballo, who has a YouTube channel that you cannot miss. Maria José, friend, how are you, Hello, Hello, how nice to be with you as always I here super happy to talk about this topic, of this cave so enigmatic that brings so many questions, but that has also given us some answers, because there are many researchers who have persecuted you, who have visited you, who have found out. Then the information is very interesting and clear to invite you to follow my podcast, called Cosmica by María José Roballo, where I have interviews with Juan Jesús, also with Sebastian, we talk about the cave with Alejandro, with many people who do this journalism of mystery and tell us the interesting things that this world has. Invite them to that and in my instagram they find me as a dark lady and tell them by the way that this year we are going to the cave of the Tallos with Sebastian and we are also organizing a trip that in fact, is already set up for the month of July. And, as John Jesus said to all adventurers who want to join us, there is still little left. Cough quotas can communicate through our YouTube channels as cosmic. There' s all the information so you can go. We' re going to make several trips.

9:09 Obviously, we also invite Alexander with John Jesus. So the idea is that all adventurers come and not only listen to it, but live it ready. And there they can also locate you What your Instagram channel was like. In case you want to ask about that request in July, the cave of the stems. If you want to ask, I' m always raging lady darkness on Instagram, but if you' re looking for Maria José Roba myself on all networks, you' re going to find me. But basically the information is on YouTube channels. Ready perfect for all the people who sign up for that trip to the cave of the stems. I promise I' ll go I promised. Then that trip I' ll go. I' ll leave alone in your company and we' ll see if we do one look at the people in the family in mystery who tell me on Twitter and tell me here on YouTube. Would you like a request to the cave of the stems comment me here on YouTube below in the comments of snail And well, now we start with the explorers of the cave of the stems and sebastian Almeida?

10:09 He is a gentleman who, apart from having a travel agency, has two books published about his experiences and trips to the cave of the stems. But, since it' s the first time you' re on Caracol Radio, who' s Sebastian Almeida? For the entire audience of Caracol Radio with Jesús Alejandro María José Gonzalito. A hug for everyone. Thank you very much for the invitation. Thanks for the space. I' m Sebastian Almaido Dillon. I graduated in tourism with twenty- five years of experience in field work. I' m a research and health specialist, Rurán. I' m a writer. I have several books published. My last two books talk about paranormal events lived inside the stem cave. How you have to get there and what are the features that you have to go through in order to enter this magical site of the cave of the stems. And my last book is about the worldview of the Shuar peoples and the gods of the underworld. Just as all the Shuar, who are the custodians, the protectors of the cave of the stems, they believe that they live within just as you mentioned Jo Jesus, the Underworld, Lukupacha, Yayapacha, the ancestors who live down there that exist, what beings, what kind of energies they inhabit within the cave of the stems. I also make author routes. I specialize in the mysteries and legends of Ecuador, in the cave of the stems, in the Mana, in

11:43 the boxes, in different energetic sites that this beautiful country has for providing everything, close, everything with a super simple proximity to arrive, but full of energy, full of mysteries, full of legends. I am passionate about mysteries and legends and I invite you all, Alexander, Jo Jesus, Gonzalito. He already went with me to the cave and above all the cave of the Tallos, which is one of the greatest and enigmatic mysteries of the whole planet Mira and with that you have commented another day is in time to make a program, a podcast about mysteries of Ecuador, that I would love, that is a very unknown country. In that facet sebastian uan which is your travel agency, how they can locate you for people who want to make some author trip with you. Thank you very much. Of course I can be located on any social media, such as Sebastián Almeida Dillong, Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok. I' m like sebastian Almaida Dillon or, if not, the Dillong email. With l three, five, three hundred, seven arroba Hotmay, com or if not zero, nine, eight, one, nine, eight to see nine, nineth, eighty- one, ninety- three, one, one, three. There are times when, as I never dial, I don' t remember my phone, but you worry and repeat the email, which is easier, perhaps to be located. Yeah. Say it with ble l three, five, three, seven homail com arroba ready.

13:13 They can track you down there and ask about your author' s trip. I mean, here' s another character that this man I know 20 years ago when I went to Cuba. He' s the first human being to get me in the jungle on horseback, and I don' t know how we don' t kill each other what beautiful experiences. That' s not all he taught me to dive. I discovered the secrets of the depths. With him he told me stories of Tain culture. I got into the world of Santería in Cuba, in a place called Guanabacoa, which is the cradle of Santería. He was my guide in Cuba and suddenly a few years ago I found out that this man is in Ecuador, living on a lost island.

13:54 It' s not for the least Gonzalo gill Friends that there is how you are, first, Hermanito, Second for the entire audience of Caracol Radio, because I think it' s no longer the trip to Cuba. You have a travel agency in Ecuador. Who is Gonzalo Hill What do you do, how is your Sami travel agency good afternoon. A greeting to all who listen to this program of radio caracos of the world of Mystery, to Alex, to Miss Maria Robello to Sebastian, to you with great pleasure Juanjo, years of work and research, of exploration into the world of mystery, but deep. Sometimes it is not what is done publicly or what is normally published.

14:35 That is why the name is called the company t sub Hill Trip, because I was born in the city of Trinidad, the Most Holy Trinity. I climb that I have always made tourism, hidden, tourism a little submerged inside or outside the tourist field, where the majority of tourism does not arrive. And Gil is my last name for the Equaterians. Yes I am well, gil then very s ho aspects. They ask me the last name, because here is Juan, here in Ecuador, Gille is like a fool and every time I ask my last name, I say I am Gonzalo Hill and everyone asks me how. I mean, you heard me. I am, I am Hill, and then the universe world, the energies, the quantum world, and everything we don' t know. And we are in this world, we know that chance does not exist. And as you also told us, we have known each other for twenty years and I have met so many other mystery researchers who have worked with me, I have been able to work with them many very well- known, very famous people who always try to provide the best of me And usually I don' t do tourism.

15:48 If I do some tourism, because I have marked in the legal field, so to speak, I am registered as a tourism agency, but rather what I do are explorations. I do research trips, exploration for either to make a documentary, to investigate any topic, but almost always focused on topics that are not very usual for normal people like us. We' re not normal anymore. We' re always investigating things that others don' t understand and sometimes they talk to them and make us crazy, weird I don' t know what. And then I don' t do much tourist advertising, because when you sell tourism to someone and ask them where they' re going, nobody knows where I' m going. I mean, the places I usually visit aren' t tourist places, so to speak, for most people who travel on this podcast aren' t going to be scared of listeners, so they like it quite the opposite. Indeed, that kind of tourism with much more soul, doing author trips, looking for what people usually don' t look for to get to the soul of the sites that I think that' s what' s important. Gonzalo What' s the name of the island they live in and what you do there, because I would also like to lie down to the island for a few days, drink beer and crazy coconut that is not happening either. What' s the name of the island he lives on. The island is called Bonita Island. It' s between Muine and Portete. An island has seven kilometers and is a paradise, really a paradise on the Pacific coast, facing the sea the sunsets. Every day.

17:15 We have piquero paws, blues, lions, marines, dolphins, sharks, monkey, iguana, that is, it' s a zoo, a little Galapagos, this many sea turtles. Turtles also come to nest the island more often between July August. We also have whales from June to September, than whale season. Impressive. Going out the dive making the enoch with the whales is fabulous, spectacular. And the other things that I like for which I am here is because near here, about four miles from here there is a very old ancestral portal, which is not talked about, not much is known here in Ecuador either is a portal that has a very fabulous energy, very spectacular, with diving areas. It is right on the shore of the sea and a cliff of land to the back of the continent, which has a figure, a design, which looks like a star and is about sixty meters high. The construction, that construction for the Equaterians and for the world, that doesn' t exist, I mean, there are archaeological remains. How do you know, what is the name Gonzalo ces, which is called a corporal later on in Cape San Francisco. Here they meet her in the tiny little village of an indigenous community that was there called Tongorachi. Dongo Tongorachi, it' s called the tiny little town, an ancestral town. There And supposedly archaeologists who have arrived there because of the curiosity of so many ceramics that there is no research, that is, they have taken four samples from the

18:48 ground and say this is from the Valdivia culture, but in depth no one has investigated. That is, no one has investigated. I arrived in Niger and I have taken several people and it is spectacular everything that is good fixed what I said Gonzalo, although I will mention it and we get into the cave of the stems, that I am also a grandfather onions, we do not go around the sides. Va The Valdivia culture is one of the oldest cultures in America. It is the first ceramic in America and many researchers think it came through the kuro sivo stream and they actually came from Japan and settled on the coasts of Ecuador. It is one of the great mysteries of the colonization of America. Every day and more archaeologists and anthropologists open to it was not only through the Bering Strait fifteen zero years ago, but much older and also comes from Asia. But we left that for the mystery program of Ecuador, which, if we have not read it, we are already fully involved in the subject of the cave of the stems. And I, when I interviewed Maria José the other day, already sat there to hide behind the shadows for my YouTube channel, for I said good, because the story of Juan Morit and the story of this priest of Carlos Crespi, with that library of antiquity, where the history of the world and the two left me chafa because they told me juange. We think you' re wrong. Maria José, tell me your version of the history known worldwide and then the rest. Of course yes, well, the most well- known version is that Juan Moritz, you yourself spoke of this Hungarian Argentine lord, was the one who made

20:22 the cave known because, in theory, he had found some plates where he talked about the history of humanity. But I want to tell you something that I didn' t tell you last time and that I learned it these days, that has to do with another investigation, that they say that the discovery of the cave came for something more casual, that more or less. By the year fifty or sixty, a group of people from the capital decided to bring some indigenous people from the Amazon to work in a person' s house as domestic servants, and there was a child that we clearly talked about. His name was Petronio Jaramillo, who became friends with this child Shuar, And when he grows, time passes, years pass, they meet again and it is this child who had lived as an employee who tells him to speak to Petronio Jaramillo of the cave of the stems. And that' s where they connect with Moritz and they know her. And in this investigation, which is on the other side where there are even interviews with this Mr Hall, they say that, indeed there were people who did see the plates, of these plates that we talked about, because the cave becomes famous, precisely because supposedly there is the whole history of the Earth in these prints, because of the language in which they are written and because, moreover, they have been given to a father, the Cresp father who lived in Cuenca, who had not only these plates, but gold statues, confirming the veracity of this whole story.

21:51 This is what is told and what everyone speaks as in general, but the history of the cave is deeper. Dale, you' ve got the microphone right there. Let' s see the history that becomes famously world- wide is, in fact, first the prints that father creepi has and are spectacular, are gigantic, some about two meters by a meter, twenty or something like that, and appear what would look like Sumerian characters and all this excuse film that disappeared overnight. I mean, no one knows where they are, that this also gives you more mystery history. Then go on with your version. María José, please, prints that disappeared, I tell you the version that is like the most public one there is, because among all this discovery that Juan Moritz makes it turns out that what attracts attention is that exactly on the 21st of July of a thousand nine hundred and sixty- nine, he goes to the Fourth Notary in Guayaquil and makes a writing saying under oath that he has found these plates inside the cave and that what the plates tell would change the history of humanity. And from there this history of the cave becomes very famous, because Moris was a friend of Fonda Nikn tells the story and he writes the Book of the Treasure of the Gods. And that' s why there' s a British expedition with more than 120 people coming to Ecuador, and that' s when they start looking for these plates and they

23:22 say they' re taking out seven chests. Seven. Yes, well, like large chests filled with things that were never known to happen, which was what they took away and plundered the roe. Bamas, they looted the cave. Some shuars say that they are witnesses that they took out these chests taking away the things they found there. But this gentleman is in Hall law, that I saw him today in an interview spoken by himself, he says this is not true, that they never got anything out and that they never found anything in the cave. And that' s where all this controversy begins to know whether or not they actually pulled it out. But I, if you ask me personally, I would believe you did, you did get a lot of things out of the judge. Well, it' s two minutes to the first cut It' s okay We' re still in the next block, but I would like Sebastian' s opinion, which has two books published, so he' s been a lot of times in the Talles cave.

24:15 Above what this British gentleman says, what the Shuar say. The shuars say that' s true, that this guy looted the cave or not Sebastian. Well, there' s proof that you really do. They looted the cave In a thousand nine hundred and seventy- six, in the British Ecuadorian expedition led by Stanley Hall. As Maria Joseph said, more than a hundred people spent more than a month and a half in the cave. On this expedition was Dylams by the first person who started the moon more than a thirty- three degree, than that when he returns from the moon, he becomes obsessed with the treasures and mysteries of the world and begins to visit not only Ecuador.

24:55 He visited Uruguay, visited Argentina, was in various parts of South America and the world searching for the treasures or legends and mysteries he had and that is why they invite him to the expedition of seventy- six, as I say to them, led by Scottish Stanny Hades, and those are a month and a half in the cave of the stems. I have personally interviewed Schwart and the old men who were and were part of the seventy- six expedition, which in which the Shuar were simply cargo donkeys and the Ecuadorian military were cargo donkeys as always, who used to carry equipment and carry suitcases But as the British entered the cave of the stems and prohibited the Shuar and the military from entering to a certain place, I have personally interviewed Shuar old Don José, some of the Shuart that Ahorita are already their age, but those were part of the expedition of one thousand nine hundred seventy- six, and those testimonies that it is true that they took out four fully sealed giant boxes.

26:04 Point a gun because the Sharps were obviously not going to allow their treasures to be taken out, because for them the cave of the stems is a sacred place. The houses of their gods and all that dwelt, all the things that exist so far in the cave of the stems are sacred to them. They weren' t going to allow it. But point a gun at the Ecuadorian military. These four boxes were lifted from a helicopter completely ceased and they took away and that is true that these real hooligans of the Shuar, which they saw with their own eyes, these four kihats, these four ilrated giant boxes that were taken by ready helicopter. Now we' re still waiting.

26:48 But what a shame, what a shame that they plunder the treasures of the ancient peoples of America with that flamboyance. And I don' t know what they' re all thinking, but I' m quite outraged by this story corroborated by Sebastian Almeida Dillon' s interviews with the Shuar who took part in that expedition of the seventies in which they go a lot of British and plunder the cave from the stems. Now that' s true, then he' s going to tell us also to dilan, because I think the cave of the stems are miles and miles. I think it' s, I think it' s huge. Sebastian the looting is true or morizace that the cave is known worldwide. There comes a British group plundering all this with all the money in the world. They say they don' t take anything. They will have sold it to people with lots of money, obviously, but how it is inside the cave of the stems, how many kilometers it has, why it is so important for the shuar I ask you and then go Gonzalito will also give me his opinion of all this, that up to many times there ta good. The cave of the stems is a site of the giant caves and caves. It is not really known the end of the cave of what has been mapped by the Ecuadorian military, by the military that are fully trained, that are the Ibias, that are the ibi. It' s a word the Shuart, which means the jungle demon. But here in Ecuador there are the Shuar commandos, already prepared as military, which is considered one

28:23 of the best military in the world for its knowledge in jungle and already trained as commandos. They' re called the fights. They have mapped up to 16 kilometers into the cave of the stems. But the cave continues and there are gigantic galleries, spectacular halls that have not yet been explored, even now, I give a new gossip to me. The previous week I was with Jaime ty Waran, the person who coordinates the expeditions part of the coangu Shuar community. The previous week they had just discovered a new entrance to the Tallos cave and, according to what Jaime told me, it is very similar to the real entrance that Juan Morris comments for the metal library that you have to dive through the sinkhole you have to enter. He' s going out to a gallery. Jaime tells me that it is a gigantic gallery, much larger than the cathedral, which is the place where base camp is made inside the cave of the stems. This gallery recently found, says it is gigantic, but gigantic that they have found ceramic remains that they have already sent me, including the photo of a kind of ball with eyes, and they are very excited, because that according to what is do tell me is the description that Juan Morris speaks in his book, which is the true entrance to the metal

29:53 library that he supposedly found in nineteen hundred sixty- nine. That is to say that until the moment, in the year we go, new galleries continue to be discovered, new revenues to the cave of the Tallos, because let us remember that the cave of the Tallos is in the province of Morona Santiago, border Ecuador with Peru, is gigantic, I mean, really are spectacular galleries of the amphitheater, the cathedral, the oratory of the Faces. It is an extraordinary thing and so far mysterious objects, mysterious galleries and, above all, new income continue to be discovered, which gives us new opportunities to continue discovering the true treasures of the cave of the stems and is holy.

30:37 And then I want you to also tell me your experiences inside of me don ' t go from this podcast that you' re going to find me. Both Sebastian and Gonzalo. Gonzalo, the people when they enter the cave of the stems the normal in your expeditions. I imagine they come in because of that which is known as the cathedral, which is that they let you fall down a rope. I don' t know why it' s twenty- six hundred feet. Explain to me Gonzalo, how is it that an expedition is usually made to that cave of stems and what it is that you do the agencies of lives that then you are not in the cave. Tell me if history, Gonzalo, please, well, basically the equipment used today is quite modern. There is enough security going down the cave in harness to the bottom of the gallery. The two entrances we are using, which are usually those used to enter one sixty- four meters and the other has one hundred and twenty meters in free fall sixty- four or one hundred and twenty meters.

31:32 That' s a building Wait. Sixty- four, it' s a twenty- story building, yes, right and six hundred and twenty. And out there he falls straight, without touching the PARED with his feet or anything, because he falls free. I mean, there' s no way to support PARED. It can be done, but it almost always leaves in free fall to the ground floor you already go once you get off the rope use the flashlights and everything else to be able to follow the way, when the group is already complete inside the cave. But I wanted to tell you something that Maria José said and people don' t take it into account and it' s very important when they' re sanded. He makes the publication publicly bothering himself in several interviews, which he gave to television and the press, denying the metal library and everything inside the cave. The news comes to Petronio Jaramillo, who is outraged with what he is reading and somehow gets Stanley Hall' s phone and tells him that this is a lie, that he was when he was a young man in the metal library, that he was inside the cave, that he saw with the shuar all the contents of the Treasury, that he saw all that pity that at that time, that he was very young, there was no camera or there was no such evidence.

32:53 Then they stay and meet for a meeting in person and he carries the law s prepare an expedition to take him to the Metallic library, because he told them that he did know where the metal library was and that he had proof of the metal library. Coincidentally, as it happens in all the stories we know, one four days before this personal interview, to take her to Stanlis Holla where the metal library was and he said he had proof of the metal library, he was murdered and to this day no one knows what happened with aramism oil. It' s just that that' s a very heavy sheath, because Petronio Jaramillo is killed carefully with the film that this is very strong.

33:37 Mary Joseph sebastian from here, let it be a dialogue and you take the word when you want, then the library is true, it is a lie. I went down the balcony. This that what they brought to Peter of Crespi was false, or not aside. It' s just that Moris took some irons to a notary in Ecuador. The Ecuadorian Government continues to have them. How I put that sheath in there they tell you I' m talking to you easily and quick about what I was going to do. Recently with my research I managed to find a person who is familiar, very close to Stanley Hall to anil Antro, and I had in an interview with him. He casually came here to the island. He interviewed here at my house.

34:20 He told me to reserve name information and data because of this question that the subject is very important and very sensitive. He tells me an experience that is spectacular. It' s science, fiction, as you say. And this person doesn' t know about the cave of the otallo. You know what he' s seen on YouTube, what he' s researched and that, but he doesn' t have much information on the stock or. He ' s there and I' m talking to him about the stock or stalks and he tells me that they in a house that was owned by nil Antro in Texas, underground, in a bunker, have some of these pieces that were taken from the stem cave. What happened at the beginning of them make the facilities this house of nil Antron At that time they had the most modern surveillance systems that currently had. What happened that a year says that with about two years after having had this in the boom that all of a sudden the alarms were going off, all had sound rings so they wouldn' t pull me off so they wouldn' t throw hidden cameras at me, so they wouldn' t sensor temperature movements. I don' t know what it says that a lot of types of sensors that had and were skipping the total alarms that didn' t drag, gets upset and calls those who did the installation and orders to change the entire surveillance system because when they checked the cameras there was nothing, that is, there was no sign of violation. Then what happened sent him to change the entire camera system and it happened about a year or two when all of a sudden all the wings jumped again in two or

35:52 three days they changed the cameras and jumped back the wings. And then he thought it was a defect of the equipment that was installing him and broke the contract because he thought he said to sue the company, but what he did was change from for another company that would make him a new installation with security to give him guarantees. They reinstall the entire alarm system and everything worked very well. He says that about a year later all souls jump again. Same story. Then they come back to the company. It comes with some professionals, already managers of the company make the measurements and the alamas kept jumping. They didn' t know why all the alarms went off. There were low frequencies, they were detected as being recording, like they were doing some sort of thing like illegally. In there and in there. He hires a specialist team to come and measure everything to see what was going on. The team comes in about four or five days. Coincidenceally, when the team comes, nothing I mean, everything was normal. The objects were still normal, they ' re all normal. Then the man tells them when you see the rings come up, send me to look for me to come to measure. They warn the man and he says that one to a few weeks later, months later, they jump the wings. Quickly comes the man with the equipment begins to measure, and when they begin to measure the equipment that were from the cave of the stems, he narrates what the engineer said for the moment his impression and tells him these objects have life of their own. He says no

37:25 to the investigator and those who were with him in the room. No. I don' t understand why they broadcast radio frequency, when they' re objects or metal, I don' t understand why they broadcast that. And so he scans each of the objects and so that they don' t keep jumping the lasma, they say they had a deeper vault, they pull out all the equipment that was from the cave of the stems, they put them in this basement, which was like a deeper cellar. They isolate them from the place and he says that after they did that the alarms calmed down, I mean, it' s been a long time without the alarms ringing, but a very rare thing happened. He says he was in charge of this estate. He lived in a room with quite security and one day he was introduced at night to a being like a Nordic light that appeared to him in the room, but he saw him as physically saying that he doesn' t know how he came in, how he opened the doors, how the rings didn' t sound. Nothing happened and he says that all he said to him was that Nilantro had already died, he went to curiously, before he died, Nilantro tells him if anything happens to me and I die, get together with the family and these things bring them back to the place where we took them. He tells him that, and it' s awesome because he says that after he dies nil antro and spends two or three months, he approaches this person to the house, in the room where he slept and tells him and tells him what happens, that he hasn' t yet taken the pieces to where they took it and he told him I need you to take

39:00 care of it if they won' t have a problem and suddenly the being goes away. But he says that casually two or three days later all the wings went back, even the teams had them underground in another basement apart and he says the vibrations and the relationship was like there were microphone cameras and they didn' t explain that, that' s not how to apply. No, but that no more counts is an informative bombing. Thank you very much, Gonzalo. That' s outrageous. So, now, Maria, José Roballo, sebastian that there are the bugs. What' s the matter with this library, because now it turns out that neilaster, even though I knew the guy with this, Stanley Hall had to correct me. If I' m wrong without Hage Lastrong and Stanlinghall had a relationship, it' s okay to correct me. And what the hell is going on? The plates that Father Cresti really had bio moris, plates from that library eye, were real, because we would be talking about something that could change the history of humanity.

39:59 What do you think? I think it is, it is real because, as I tell you, doing more research and seeing here there are a lot of old, old interviews and there is a person who talks very interesting things. By the way, what Gonzalo said left me with my mouth open to death. So that' s not all. I' m in shock. She' s amazing. But there is a man named Gastón Fernández Borrero, and this man is also important because he is an Ecuadorian who took Moritz the first time inside the cave and he has some incredible photos that are not published, that you don' t see in that interview. I hope I can get them out where he shows another part of the cave, where there was obviously some civilization, because there are stones cut more or less so that you have an idea. I don' t know if you' ve seen the punctuous puma stones that are cut, but millimetrically no one knows how they were made. Well, there are exactly the same stones that he has some photos, because he, in this interview shows lasso tells what he did and shows some galleries that are not so common. I don' t know if sebastian I' ve seen them, but the stones are cut in a millimeter way and I' m even talking about some galleries that the photos are amazing because they look like a perfectly constructed passageway and you see other passageways that are like sealed so that people can' t pass. And I think that also had to do with the British expedition, because we had commented as many put

41:29 some dynamites so that certain parts of the cave would be closed and people could not access. Now with what I tell you, there are people very cerratia, very serious from here, like elu Follo Jaime Rodríguez, who today I heard for the first time say that he saw the prints personally saw them and those that had crespi He saw them and has visual and mental record of him, same that he saw and knew these prints. What is the problem that, after these real prints existed, other forgeries were made, as on all sides. And that' s when he went into doubt that if they existed and not, but from the mouth of lufollo Jaime Rodríguez, who is a very serious and recognized person here in Ecuador, he says that he saw them and that they are real. Wow, that' s another bombshell. Sebastian.

42:19 It' s just that I' m really heavy, man, that ' s because there' s also a thing here that skates me tremendously. Why they murdered Petronio Jaramillo, who is the one who leads Moritz, is the one who is there. Know about the topic, that is to see tell me your opinion about this whole story and you have the micro ahead friend of Bela. Thank you, well, we' re going around here because we have so much information that we' re mixing a lot of things spent. He was on the first expedition with Juan Morris, the photos he has. I' ve been in those galleries with salt, been with me. It' s the treasure room. It also has this where you will find the walls and ceilings completely smooth. It is where the Metallic Library is supposedly located and on the expedition of seventy- six the Suara claim that they heard three four explosions to erase the evidence of British looting. And that is dynamic truth. Really Mother Glorias, these photos that have this gentleman who was in the sixty- nine, you can see clarite, the Morris Arch, which is this artificial construction, which is the real name, It is the passage of the Chiri and the Great Lord of the Emperor. That' s the real name. First, before I skip, when that part goes down, it' s called the chimney the cathedral at the other entrance, where they

43:50 ' re 120 meters sorry. That' s the oratory of faces. The cathedral is where base camp is made, which is like a gigantic coliseum, where tents are built to leave all things and begin explorations. Now we have to bear in mind that the cave, so far, until today, treasures are still being discovered. I inform them because they pass the information to me the shuars. Those are barely getting in every week. Those guys come in all the time. Those guys find something. Even fifteen days ago they found a figure of a lady says of a fully carved ceramic woman. Even a short time ago a sumi sphinx was found, because it can be seen in the part of an owl was made of stone. It was an owl that throughout the plumage is the typical Sumerian carving with the turites, characteristic of Sumerian culture. That means that the cave of the stems, as I always mention, even Mary Joseph also mentioned the totally smooth stones. I in my first pure book and make this comparison with Pumapungo with that guanaco, because myself, in my first book I make this cooperative and find the stones totally smooth.

45:07 But the most incredible thing is that they meet the notches, this notch that united the two stones when they melted a metal, these notches that are found in Pumapungo, in Tiahuanaco, These stones exist in the cave of the stems totally smooth with the notches of Union And I, in my first book, I put the photographs and compare with the cave stones of the stems, with the stones of Pumapungo. I in the cave of the tago in the school of the stems, I go researching twenty years of which I go fifteen years doing field research and spent in the jungle several days to investigate, but above all, to investigate the real treasure of the cave of the stems. I know that the cave of the stems we have mystery of Father Carolo Crespo, and this Italian father settled in basin since nineteen hundred and twenty- eight, after the Hungarian Argentine John Morris in sixty- nine, then Erick Bondaniken, who published the Golden Book of the Gods in seventy- two, the British expedition of seventy- six, led by Stan and Hall, because it was in Millapston. But the real treasure, the real treasure that the Tallos cave has is precisely the theory of hollow earth, the belief that there is a more advanced civilization in the depths of the Ecuadorian jungle. The stalts, the punk zunkis and the arulta in the nuncui, these beings that inhabit and that the shuar believe exist within the cave of the stems. These zunkis are the

46:42 tutus, these little elongated- eyed beings. I have had the opportunity of an expedition of two thousand seventeen to find a stone shaped like the head of a Zunki, with the eye sockets totally black and that I brought. I had a chance to bring Kakito in for an investigation and obviously returned him. It is right now in the cave of the stems, this head of this Zunki, and right there it is very coincidental with what Gonzalito told us, with these pieces, that had that Mir of Custos of Millangstone, that were very energetic, that alarms were activated and everything is true. I, when I had this stone, this stone that you can see in my second book, the call that is called Chaía in the investigation, I had an Argentine friend who told me not to put anything electronic near it and it' s true just what Gonzalito says, I had him in the studio in my house and it didn' t work for me. The Internet, it didn' t work for me the computer, it disconnected my computers, it turned off my television, it was an infinity of things I said. I never thought it was the stone, but when this Argentine friend of mine told me it ' s a rock with a lot of energy, don' t leave it anywhere near electronic things because it' s going to hurt you. And it ' s true. The Internet didn' t work, the TV didn' t work, it went out when I moved it. Everything worked out again something incredible, that is just what Gonzalito says, and it' s true.

48:10 I want to tell you a story that happened to me 15 days ago, super crazy. I know there are times when you think everything already thinks it' s mystery. Not because things happen. I said recently. Fifteen days ago an interview for a Spanish channel of a great researcher. On the second day a Brazilian gentleman contacted me, something super crazy. He didn' t tell me the name. He told me he heard the interview. This Brazilian gentleman contacted me and began to tell me that he does not know the cave, but that he and the daughter are being introduced, which was not obvious, a daughter that he could not see. Small beings with elongated eyes are presented to him and to the daughter and that these beings are from the cave of the stems and that those asked her to contact him through this report.

49:01 Dan with me. He' s contacting me. This Brazilian man was super weird, super weird, so to me he was super rabid. I only listened to him because he massed and told me about these beings. Something coincidental. I don' t know, my TV was damaged. I lost the Internet while I was talking to him and he was telling me. These beings asked him to contact you and I said, but what message you want to give me they told me no. The message they want to give you is what you' ve been doing during damage. Simply give a true message, the true treasure of the stem rope and, above all, its protection and care. Because he told me this sere tells me that the entrance of the chimney where we entered and it is already a very polluted income and that the beings are angry, that we have to look for another income, the real income. And it coincides with what Jaime told me the previous week that he found a new entrance to the cave of the stems and that these beings have told him that we have to continue to erect the message of protection and care of the cave of the stems. Holy God go history and in the end, it does happen that there is a lot of evidence that that library would tell us about a humanity before this humanity in which men and God lived together on the face of the earth. It would be true and this seems to me to be a real pass. Then ask why there' s practically no time left. But then to ask for these pieces that, supposedly Juan

50:34 Moris gave a notary and whether or not the Ecuadorian government still has it. But before you close very briefly that you have in a second sebastian how people can get your book of course yes, they can gladly contact me on my social networks. As I told you, as sebastian Almaida Dillong, right now internationally, I have in digital format you will be happy to contact me and I can send you anywhere in the world by email. Po Wie transfuse my two books. The first book is the Diario de viaje a la Cueva de los Tallos, where we tell just what is the Legend of the Stems, Father Carrolo c es Pijoamors de Bong Danique. And my second book, which is from the so- called research work on the Shuar worldview and the beings of the underworld, which I have just commented to you, Ahorita and de Tallo, which is a Zunki, which is a talto, which is the punk that is the harp, which is the Duncul All these mystical beings that live within the cave of the stems, submerging us in a story that I do not know I am fascinated by because we would be talking magnet, not least of a hidden library, in a cave that, apart from being the entrance to an underground world where we will be told experiences Saint Sebastian as Gonzalo, a concealment of a library that would tell us about humanity before humanity.

52:00 And just as I was going to cut for the next block was Maria José Roballo, who was there that jumped me over the microphone. What a fact, you wanted and what you wanted to comment, apart from all this story that I' m going to review in five seconds briefly. First, Father Crespi picks up some plates that come out of the cave of the stems. Then the speléologist Juan Morich, Hungarian Argentine, goes there. Then it reaches some very nice British gentlemen in the seventies at the head are licole and plunder the cave of the stems. And he who has information about all this because he would have entered the cave long before Pretonio Petrónio Jaramillo was murdered. And what Maria José Robárez wanted to tell me, two things. One telling them that in what he left the writing made in the notary Juan Moritz, exactly what he wrote was this. I have discovered valuable objects of great cultural and historical value for humanity. The objects consist especially of the metal earth, which probably contain a summary of the history of an extinct civilization of which we do not have the slightest hint to date. This is what he literally says among the scriptures he left and also tell them that Petronio Jaramillo had not only this investigation. But this is something that does remain for another show, because I, when I investigated him, was surprised. Tronio jarami I not only knew the true entrances to the cave of the stems. He even went on to say that Moritz did not know as much as he did, but that he

53:34 too had found on the Yanganate side, where exactly the treasure of Atahualpa was located. And that' s when he was going to talk about all these locations, when he was murdered and had a very important relationship. The place where he had found the Treasure of Tahualpa, which somehow connected to the Cave of the Tallos, but did not reach it. To say, that' s what I wanted to tell you for people who already know what' s going on with Ecuador, that that was another podcast worth mysteries of Ecuador, that that' s already and pre promised here, when Tahualpa is arrested by blackboard in Cajamarca, what says in the famous fourth the rescue that has to fill him a quarter of gold and such and his best general Rumiñagui, who was Ecuadorian Ori indigenous Ecuadorian, goes through all the gold that the Incas had in the northern part of the Empire and on his return, he learns that Atahualpa has died And what he does is that he buries the treasure in the Yanganates mountain range. These are all historical facts and we would be talking about the greatest treasure in human history. Eye on this, but that' s for another show. Then I wanted to comment both Sebastian and Gonzalo and Quereis Vale. We' re forgetting something that I think is important. Not forgetting is that in two hours there is a lot of information The Shuar hu is the relationship of the Shuwart with the cave. Why it is so important in

55:06 their cosmogony, what relationship you have you know the Shuar and you go by their hand how it has to be to reach the cave of the stems. I think the last speaker was Sebastian Gonzalo. If you want how this relationship of the Shuart with the cave, what is its consumpvision? And then the worldview of the usuar with respect to the cave of the stems is based. As history tells us, as they tell us, the relationship with the ancestral gods from which they come from another civilization, the connection that there is with the gods. Schwars come out of the cave after the great flood, that is, we are talking about a very long historical transcendence, far back.

55:47 Then this whole worldview of the Suars goes out to protect the entrance to the cave. As in all the stories we know, the gods promised to come back. They had to care for and protect the caves connect a lot with the gods through dreams of visions that feel of messages that reach their head and they don' t know how to interpret it as they actually get it. Then they transmit it to you like a dream, like a vision like a story. A little like this, inside the cave to Joseph and they have had several dreams or visions within the cave, just like when they are in the Community. The Community is very close to the entrance to the cave.

56:28 The suars with the relationship of the cave have been there for hundreds of thousands of years. So much so that the territory they have protected it as much as we all know the user' s head reductions, the protection of the jungle, a whole lot of stories and anecdotes that are also mysterious, because we don' t understand them. But neither the Incas could bend the usuars when the conquest, nor could the Spaniards bend, even though they had all the weapons, all the logistics, all the supplies so to speak in the jungle. The huari are some sort of protectors of nature and the cave that achieve this practically divine connection that I sometimes sense with my experience sometimes receives signals in your mind that tell you which way to go, where not to go, what to do, what not to do. And in my life of exploration I always like myself a lot for this kind of sensations. And that ' s what the Shuarts do. That' s why they triumph in all the things Lushual does as if the cave spoke to you as if suddenly I told you not around here, over there. And then it would also be very important what dreams you have inside the cave, because it is the world of the gods. Yeah, it' s fascinating what they tell me.

57:47 They talk about a portal or dimensional doors, because he explains to me that they usually see the rock wall as a wall, but when they come in the dream to that wall it' s like transparent. I mean, it ' s accomplished like there' s nothing physical stopping you. You can stop by that hallway to get into the metal library. They speak of the fact that the true metal library, where there is all this ancient cultural heritage of wisdom left for our civilization, is still inside the cave of the Stems. That is why the British and Freemasonry still insist and all the organizations and expeditions that are not well vinida or well received, have not been able to locate the core of the cave of the stems, where is the real metal library.

58:36 That' s why research continues on how strong Almeida sebastian. You were talking to me. I want you to tell me also your vision of the relationship of the cave shuarcos. But you also talked to me about beings like the taltus, the shunkys, who live there for the shuars. How is that cosmogony and those headquarters that are inside the cave. Of course, just to look a little further, what Gonzalito said is true, that is, the true treasure of the cave, of the stems, these interdimensional doors that are still being sought. Even in the two thousand twenty- two was here Will Smith, but will Smith was simply the familiar face to the pretty face, because again the British were a month stuck in the stem cave for a month stuffed with computers. Again they forbidden the shuars to approach, take pictures, talk again again they used donkeys of load and shame that they shame.

59:38 And we' re talking about a year ago, because it was in December of the two thousand twenty- two that the boom was made in Ecuador, that Will Smith' s artist was coming to sign a documentary for Nagio. He was on the Alaui train, he was in Quito and he was going to go to the cave of the stems, including the Ministry of Tourism, to us, others, the guides by profession or to the people who do the explorations to the cave of the stems sent us an email, forbidding us entry from such date to such date, because he was going to go to the logistics of will Smith, but it was not will smithwills Mith was arrived by helicopter, came down, took photos, took the helicopter and left.

1:00:20 But the real reason was that the British stayed a month in the cave of the stems and the Shuars tell me that it was all full of computers and that they were forbidden to talk, take pictures, dialogue with them. And I was asking Jaime that he' s the Shuar friend, but why did they come? And Jaime tells me that those were listening to what these British were talking about on these interdimensional doors, that those came to look for this interdimensional door in December of the two thousand twenty- two. I mean, that' s why they were here and, according to the cosmolvition of the Shuar peoples, I remind them that the cave of the Stems is a sacred place, as Gonzalito said, where their theory, their world view. They say that they lived beside their gods and that after the great flood they were commanded to go out and become the protectors and custodians of the cave of the Stems. They speak even at the moment of entering the cave of the Stems and excuse sebastian, that is, that the cave would be the place where the gods, with some men, would have hidden themselves when the flood.

1:01:31 Yes the theory exactly of Shuar belief. They lived together to their gods and the moment the waters came down and all this catastrophe of the great flood calmed down, the gods ordered the Shuar to become protectors and custodians. That is why the Coangu Shuar Community sits half an hour from the chimney of the entrance of the cave of the stems for those to become their custodians. Therefore, at the time of entering the cave of the stems, You To enter the cave of the stems, you have to ask permission first to the route to the Rutan. It is the power of the jungle and the Shuar, when entering the cave, those chant a song asking permission of the talu Wa, the stem Wais of the stem bird, the theotor Is caripensis. This bird that is a custodian and is a sacred bird, not only for the shuars, but at the level of all South America, known as the guacharos, the witches. They are sacred birds because they are believed to be the custodians of the underworld. They' re practically blind birds. They' re nocturnal and when you' re going in, they start loatizing. The squawks of the stems are very scandalous, very ugly that these squawks supposedly warn the beings of the underworld, that strangers are going to enter the cave of the stems.

1:02:49 Therefore, in the Shuar chant they ask permission of the Taluwa and ask permission of Livianchi. The Livianche is supposedly a giant stinking being who lives inside the cave and who has the faculty and has the ability to become several animals like a giant anaconda that they know him as the punk, who inhabits within the cave, an anaconda of thirty meters that comes out every six months to feed on a human and the purity and energy of the jungle. These also talk about stalts. These jumps are beings of light, higher beings, beings much more evolved than us, who are the true owners of the cave and those have the help of the kunkis. These small beings, very similar to the grey ones, with elongated eyes that the usual know as the Tutus, These Tutus, these beings, the Shuar, even claim that they often see them on the banks of the river playing with their young. These tutus are the protectors of these beings. But on several expeditions that I have had the opportunity to be in the cave of the stems and heard with shamans, with very few people, and these people, these shamans, have told me that inside the cave, as there are good beings, there are evil beings.

1:04:09 Always as in all theory we are talking about duality. The good or the bad, the black and the white, the top down. Duality is always present and in the cave of the stems several masters, several shamans that I have had the opportunity to go with them to these expeditions, because the idea is precisely of my trips to the cave of the stems, it is the energetic part, the part of respect, the part of learning about these people. That is why I have had with geologists, with botanists, with only you geographers, with shamans, because the idea is to learn, to know much more and, above all, to experience these energies that provide us the cuerva of the stems. And these samans have told me how there are good beings, there are bad beings. And there have been expeditions that have been surrounded by evil beings, which with ceremonies of purification. It has been possible to frighten and chase away these beings from negative energies, my mother, that is, a whole series of beings who, according to the Shuars, live there, because really the cave of the stems at the door or an underworld where there are beings that we do not know, but not common. Yes, yes, the Shuart know that they live there using an interdimensional portal which I know is also seen a lot of the Shuar theme. It' s Maria José Roballo, who hasn' t talked about how she is with you in a while She also knows a lot about the Shuar theme, about the Shuar world in the jungle and about the cave of the stems as an interdimensional

1:05:44 portal to where the gods live. I just wanted to say that I have had the opportunity to talk to the Shuars, with the guas, with the guuranis, with some of those of these ethnicities. And for them, even if it seems strange to us, it is not strange for them to talk about entities. For them it is not strange to speak of beings of light, of beings, of goblins, of extraterrestrials. When you feel like talking to them, let' s say in a more friendly way, when they have some confidence in you. There are two things that tell you. One that there are always limits to where the gods or these beings of light mainly let them in. And in the cave of their stems they always tell you that there are places where they give you permission to access and where they give you permission not to access. Even if you wanted to go somehow, that portal closes. As they also tell you that there are people who do for some reason we don' t know, they can access. Maybe they have a higher level of consciousness. I do not know, but they have been able to access, but not only there in the cave of the stems, but as I tell them, in these worldviews of the people of the jungle.

1:06:53 They tell you how they have interacted with these beings, how they see them on the banks of rivers, how for them, for example, these giant snakes are sacred, how, through trees and nature, chance in beings, how beings have come down from heaven, to tell them about agriculture, to tell them everything that we have heard at world level, that higher beings have taught us without knowing all that. They tell you the same story that they come from other sides to teach them how they can make crops, how they can choose such a plant. And it is precisely the Shuarts who, as we discussed once before, have a whole pharmacy if we want to call it medicinal in the jungle, and they know how to cure absolutely all evils and that also many of them comment that it comes from this as an ancestral theory that their gods have taught them. And what surprises me most. And that surely with something he also knows, just like Sebastian, that we have commented on it a thousand thousand times. The most important thing is the naturalness with which they speak. That' s why they' re also the ones we remember reducing heads in this place where the cave of the stems is, that' s where the Shuar people are, that makes the head reduction and that' s through knowledge of plants and mixtures of ancestral plants that we can ' t know either. But if they ask themselves why, because for them,

1:08:27 in order for you, rather, to know something about their secret, you have to share the same blood as they do, that is, it must be of the same cultural ethnicity, look at me in that sense, what María José Roballo said. In case anyone thinks he exaggerates with the remedies that the shuars have for certain diseases, I have an anecdote. I would also comment on the podcast that we did in the hidden behind the shadow, and that is that I once many years ago. Mother of mine more than twenty years ago, in the magazineÑo Cero appeared an interview with a man named Josep María Ferikla, an anthropologist who is a professor at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, hifericla who lived many years with the Schwarts commented how he had the knowledge of a plant that the Shuars used, so that if someone fractured a leg, a bone, an arm, in a few days with that in plates of that grass, they managed that the fracture was practically cured and the guy could walk again. All this, and another herb she made was a natural birth control. She said that Shuart women when they had to emigrate or move to avoid getting pregnant, because they took that herb and were not menstruating for several months. And besides, he said publicly that he wanted to sit with American pharmaceutical companies sob from wherever they went, and that he gave him the knowledge of those plants in exchange for signing that a portion of the

1:10:01 commercial exploitation of these drugs had to go to the Shuars and he never got it. The pharmacists didn' t want to pay him, I mean, they didn' t want to not pay him. He wanted a percentage and never got it. I mean, because these people really have a knowledge of the tremendous ancestral plants. What I did not know was that it was very close to the cave of the stems, one of the places where the famous hoops were made, the heads reduced. Now, Gonzalo didn' t know that. I wanted to say something. Yes, to comment part of what María José and Sebastián said, still the sansa was done with the reduction of head, with a series of herbs and plants. But I also wanted to comment to you in general as it happens today with most human beings, of the people in the meta universe that we have and that we live, All shuars do not have access to the cave of the stems. All shuar do not know wisdom ses is not allowed to most. Only some chosen are those who know true wisdom, those who have the divine connection, so to speak, with these beings and with these connections of the underworld that and as Mary Joseph said, when you already have intimacy with them. When they trust you, they accept you into the community and have you a little more than trust.

1:11:21 Respect also for themselves confess things to you with incredible naturalness. It' s like they' re talking about their own life, but such and normal, then they talk about things and facts that are often confusing for most people. And it happens that Sebastian has to have happened to the groups that carry more tourists than me. It' s just that a lot of people walk into the stem cave. It comes out of the cave of stems, many people and you don' t. I thought it was normal. It' s nothing of the other world. I don' t know what, I don' t know how much they speculate about things they experienced in their own flesh, but they don' t value the ancestral part, the part of vision, and the ancestral and mystical worldview that' s inside the cave, that is, they' re people who, even if they go with the will in the cave, close the opportunity to see beyond what they' re seeing. It' s like when an artist or a person goes to a gallery to observe a painting and each of the people who stop you in front of the painting see different things about the same painting and they can tell you different things. The same thing happens in the cave of the stems. Many people who visit the cave for stories, by legend, perhaps, by an initiative to try, discover or see something, are left without the possibility of discovering or seeing something beyond the normal, because it is their will, it is their personality that does not allow them to connect with nature, connect with what is inside the cave and cannot interpret or see anything, because there are

1:12:53 people who do not go with an open mind and with a clean soul, which is what I think is necessary to be able to connect with those subtle energies that are there and that sharts if they know how to do it. I want to get in from here is the end of the program in your personal experiences and what you have lived within the cave of the stems. Sebastian what was the first time you went to the cave of the stems, how was your evolution with the shuar inside the cave. You' ve had experiences with these beings, with the stalts, with the sulcus. It' s three minutes away, but don' t worry I' ll cut you off and you' re still in the next one. Of course I do.

1:13:35 Okay. My first expedition in physics was in the two thousand fifteen, my first expedition to the cave of such, which is very different, which was very different from what it is now. Not now the path. On the first expedition, we devoured nine hours walking through an incredible jungle, passing in rusty tarabita, climbing up spectacular swamps. It was nine hours of his life. Now the trails are completely improved. Now we have only four hours of his life, much easier, with better access, even in the Community, with Ango Shuar, where we camped the first night, where he camped the first night. Before you camped in many on full of ants bullets, full of red ant, black ant. There was no bathroom even to go to the bathroom. You had to go in the jungle. Avoiding tarantulas, dodging everything really and then we help them make a latrine. Now there are bathrooms, there are showers, there are camping platforms. I mean, the expedition is very different, but that' s outside the cave. It is another song, because you are already 200 meters underground, because you first descend the sixty- four meters of free fall. A question from quito how many days it takes to get to the cave of Lasta there more or less from quitos is a little more than four hundred kilometers, about nine hours by car until reaching the canton of Mendez. In Mendez we rest for the journey that is

1:15:05 logically tired. We eat well, we talk the next day we go out an hour and a quarter in a car just the same. We passed to Yukianza port and took a boat from the Shuar community and made with all the equipment. It goes down the river La Mangosa and the river Coango Santiago also and we reach the tipilla. The Shuar mockery is already on the tip. The carriers are loaded with all major equipment. Each person carries a small combat assault suitcase that is called with hydration, with hiking food, sunscreen, repellent, insect, hat, trekking sticks. We imagine and there already four hours, four hours and the next day you already enter the cave of the stems to see the experience. I have had several experiences in the cave of the stems, because, as you say Juan Jesús, it is true to go with one that is, I repeat, we are in Quito. Quito, a day trip of nine hours, second day when walking of four hours and the third day you enter the cave of the stems and sebastian almeida. He was going to begin to tell us how his experiences have been and how was that first entrance to the cave of the perfect Size. Good for not fucking me all the time for the other guests are gonna be mad at me, because we give you the cave, but years and hours and we have a

1:16:41 lot of experiences. I' ll tell them. The first experience I had that caught my attention on my first expedition, on the two thousand fifteen, when I finally managed to enter the cave of the stems because there is a phrase. Shuar You cannot reach the cave of the Stems alone. Someone' s got to prime you. That' s true. You try to get there alone and the Community doesn' t give you the authorization or you can ' t get there. You' re getting limits. You really can' t. But when someone for that, like Gonzalito said, nothing is chance. Everything has a motive and knowing people is about something. And so I arrived at the cave of the stems thanks to a friend when I went down my first expedition. First it was to fulfill a dream for me because as a child I read the Golden Book of the Goddesses by erick On Daniken, and I said one day I have to be there, I saw documentaries, reports, I said I have to get there. At the time of arrival.

1:17:31 The adrenaline and enthusiasm is spectacular and the nerves at the time of descent, because you only see a black hole with the squawks of the stems that do not allow you to concentrate breast of moisture, all slippery and throws the rope that falls into the void, in this black hole that you do not see the end, the adrenaline and fear invades you and above with the squawks. I mean, it' s one thing, it' s a movie. When I started going down, I was there with a shuarmateo guide because you' re never alone, you can never go in alone. Only the British can enter alone, but the humble and the nationals always have to be with a shuar. And as a precaution, I' ve at least been in the cave so many times and I' m a tour guide for more than twenty years. I wouldn' t dare lead alone into the Torios cave because it' s bad luck to turn off your flashlight. You' re dead You really die because you don' t have a beam of light, for guidance, and you miss the shuar. Instead, those are known by heart and, logically, they own the house to tell you a little bit.

1:18:40 On this first expedition I already came to see well, I had seen documentaries, read a lot about known information of guilt. That descent is forty meters, twenty meters, sixty- four months, sixty- four meters. Guilt clear, because good casualties, those sixty- four meters of free fall you walk, about two hundred meters. You have to make another small rappel about eight meters. Simple and there are reached the most emblematic part of the cave of the stems, which is the Morris arch, the passage of the ciri these perfectly smooth stones, which is the most emblematic part of the cave where you can verify that they are artificial and non- natural constructions. Already after that you continue through the gallery of the giants, which are walls more than 120 meters high, spectacular incredible, where one really occupying the belief can see in the stone faces of giants, humanoid faces. I' m not saying it' s something extraterrestrial intraterrestrial, but there' s something called the gallery of giants, because you can see in these anthropomorphic formations of bodies or faces of giants. The more you arrive at the cathedral. Well, I wanted to tell you the story. In the Cathedral. It' s where all the stems are, the noise is permanent. They never get married, fiss or squeal, spell the stems. But from time to time something roared something let' s put the stems. It' s or what. But

1:20:13 every once in a while something grunted and all the stems got married. But imagine being 100 feet underground. Even the total darkness full of taranto, the giants, with the story in your head, of the giant snake, of the stinking giant, guardian with snakes, the poisonous x with rats and out of nowhere start a roar and marry all the stems. I was telling the shuar listens Mateo that it' s what squeals, that' s what it sounds like, and he was saying no, it' s nothing. It ' s a giant stem, it' s okay. I was married by ignorance, but among me I just said I hope it' s not the punk and this giant anaconda and it' s not the punk? Don' t be the punk? That it' s not panking? I kept repeating myself in my head to reassure myself. But obviously, but there goes the hand I tell you. In the two thousand and ten there was an expedition with the civilian, that is, military, as the cybias told them, with a television program that is the channel four telemazons here in Ecuador, one of the largest. There was an expedition in the two thousand and ten that went with the civias and in a certain part that the amphitheatre was sung, the civias began to explore and heard a gigantic roar and the military, being ibias or Shuar trained as commandos the Hua, the cibies ran out saying that it was the punk who was forbidding them entry and the military, the civia

1:21:44 Shuar, fled from the cave of the stems. I already knew that and listening to anyone' s roar is going to scare him. I mean, it' s really one thing that your mind is. That' s why the hardest part I ever say on expeditions. It' s not the physical part, because one can train, go out into the mountains, train physically, but in the mental part, it' s the part that passes you the bill, by the strange noises, by the images you see, by what you imagine, by what you feel the mind, the mental part, is the most difficult part of the cave of the stems. Hey, and in the end, he never told you you saw Suar who that was. He said it was a giant stem, but that' s for me it wasn' t because the stems, as I tell you, are a super characteristic chichido. But it was a roar that made all the stems hunt for several seconds, and that' s what I didn' t hear once.

1:22:39 We heard about four times, but the most incredible thing I had in the cave of the stems and I told it in my book, in the call on an expedition, I think it was in the two thousand twenty or two thousand nineteen. I don' t remember a friend of mine who lived in Thailand for many years and knew how to do Sanskrit meditation. He was a very studied person, very energetic, a very capable person. And in the amphitheater in this part where you no longer listen to stems, you no longer listen to bats, all you hear is the underground rivers. We decided to do a meditation, thanking the beings of the underworld to allow us to agree with the stems and to ask for a sign to tell us that they really exist. We started doing this Sanskrit meditation, very powerful, very beautiful, very energetic, and turned off the flashlights. We didn' t have anything, we didn' t see anything. And I began to visualize four beings, four beings of light with a totally white head as a focus and with black robes. There were four beings. This amphitheater is like a grocer.

1:23:49 It' s not just like a theater, a totally natural, gigantic, gigantic grader, the most energetic part for me of the cave. I visualized these four beings that were approaching me and I when you were already, because it' s normal to panic when you see something that you' re not used to, I opened and closed my eyes and I kept seeing these beings, because you' re in total darkness that you can' t see in the palm of your hand or three centimeters from your nose, that is, you can' t see anything. And I saw these four beings approaching as I say, the head of light, the head as a light and long black robes, and these four beings kept coming up to me when they were so close to me. I did, I was scared, I mean, I' m going to admit it scared me and I kind of broke the meditation, and these four beings went away, I mean, they disappeared.

1:24:42 Now the incredible thing is that a few years ago a good documentary was released equatorializing the legend of the stems, very well done the life of Juan Morris, ninety- five percent of this commentary speaks of Juan Moris, which is very good. The investigation is perfect. The incredible thing is that when the credits come out of this documentary, they pass some drawings that Juan Morris had made in his expeditions, some drawings, some graphics, and Juan Morris draws four beings exactly the same ones that I saw four beings with their heads like light and black robes. This documentary I tell you came out two years after I launched my book, that my book I already told this story and drew what these four beings were like. And then I watch this documentary that I was invited to the premiere and I see these pictures and I see these pictures forgiving and they were the four beings exactly the same with the black robes and the head of light. What a fascinating story as if they were some sort of cave keeper or not, or simply beings who live there between different dimensions.

1:25:56 What a fascinating story and the city I imagine they tell you that they come good too. You told me I was lucky. They have said that they also see these little beings that make it great when they describe it with a big head, big eyes like gray is as they described in the ancient Sumeria to the Ijiji, the events that they see and observe. Gonzalo, what was your experience, how did you first get to the Cave of the Stems, how was your relationship with the Shuart You have had some experience there also within tell us friends I tell you the universe does things your way and one day I am talking to a friend to try to go to the Cave of the Stems and I wanted to go with someone with experience who could contribute something more of value to what I was investigating. And this person connects me directly with Sebastian. Almeida I contacted Sebastian and we organized the first expedition.

1:26:54 We all planned and we just went after Willia Smith' s visit when I was in the cave of the stems, coincidentally that chance doesn' t exist. We found on that first trip in the petrogriphs, some petrolytes. The previous exhibitions had never seen the petrogriphs in the cave of the Talls and Gonzalito. On the first trip I' m going to meet Sebastian. We found the newly discovered petrogriphs in the cave four meters a wall. How are the glyphs meters. That' s what the Gonzalos describe. Please, the petrographs are so many. There are quite a few, even more than you can see. The wall is about two meters high by about four meters from the arch. It' s by the riverside. This was covered with mud or dirt all the time. The river grew enormously at that time. A few months earlier there was a lot of rain, the mud was taken away, the wall was uncovered. But the chuars tell us that these petrogriphs are not theirs. Like everything inside the cave, the stems are not of this civilization.

1:27:58 They don' t know anything about it. That' s there from another previous civilization that was on earth is so indelible. They' re in perfect shape. Most of them that were underground are in good condition. Interestingly, there are several cross- shaped crosses pointing down. They are inverted crosses, not like the Christian Cross we know upwards. These crosses are inverted, pointing downwards and there is still land lying on the wall that can be discarded and there are more petrogriphs down there. No one' s been investigated. I took quite a photograph of them. I' ve had samples of each of the figurines. I' ve tried to decipher some of what' s in there, but it' s the petrogriphs in the whole world. I mean, we' re talking about things that appear in the whole world.

1:28:48 Confidentially, they appear on other sides of the world where nothing. They have to see and appear as like beings something not yes, they are like beings of light, that have rays around the head, around the body. Some have antennas. There are beings with antennas with three fingers, that is, what you' re talking about. Then there are many figurines that even look like people. Others are namar torso and head, but all, in general most all have little rays or lights on their heads that were beings of light represented by the consmovision one knows. Then, the infinite snail drawn also as the sun, like the stars. There are several points, as well as if they were the positions of the moon infinity. There are more than 200 engravings. Hey, how hard you find out about that and how your expedition is going. We continue along the Cuango River and follow the cave. We did the same the shortest road, which is the four kilometers. For me, the biggest challenge wasn' t to visit the cave. I' m afraid of heights, but not the height of a plane. I' m not afraid of a plane. I mean, I can jump in parapeinte, parachute, but put myself on the edge of something very high, like a building or on the roof a building, that panics me, panics and faces the edge of the cave, the entrance to the cave, with that hole

1:30:18 that had already come down two guides ahead and saw nothing else. The little light underneath. You know that. I used to wear a tie, Doctor, and I used to say to myself the urge. What I wanted most was to come in and visit the cave. Breaking that show and psychologically getting ready for that I put myself in the entrance to the cave, put my anne and gonzalito inside and that first minute is what hit me the most. But once I went down, I totally changed. I mean, my energy was different, my connection was different. And I, at that moment, when I entered Sebastian knows I didn' t want to sleep. I mean, I didn' t come to sleep, I came to explore. We did the whole camp to me and when we set up the tent to rest the guide who was going with us and Sebastian it was time to rest and I, short, I get in touch with the Suarez I say listen here there is nothing to rest. When everyone sleeps two thousand. We came to explore. We' re going to explore and so we did when everyone got to rest. I told Sebastian, I' m going to explore for about two hours and come back, but I came to explore and so I started that was my first trip. It was very curious that first time impressive.

1:31:32 They take me to a tunnel that seemed like science fiction to me, so I can tell you. It was science, pure and hard fiction. Come on. It was a corridor about 60 meters high super curious. It was like butter. I was afraid to walk, I swear, I was afraid to walk, you walked down a ground that looked like yellow butter, just like butter, and you sank almost to your knee and you swear. When you started to put your foot in, you didn' t feel anything solid and it gave me an impression that you were going to fall, because until I didn' t touch something hard and still bumping into someone hard, I went away with fear walking and they called me pain bais twenty advances, but it wasn' t just where I was walking, but the walls were sixty meters high. When he lit like this with the flashlight, he saw the ceiling up there that almost the light didn' t reach him, but the walls were butter. The walls were super soft. I would put my hands in it and my fingers would go away. But curiously, every four inches approximately apart, there was a layer of about three millimeters of a pure, hard rock. It looked like a metal. It looked like a rock, as hard as a metal, but this was every four inches. It looked like galleys. All that is is that there are chocolate greetings like that, but imagine it every four inches, a hard layer and a layer of butter.

1:32:59 And I was impressed because I was saying how it is possible that if I put my fingers in it and this is so soft, I could bear such a great height, sixty meters, sixty meters high and we' re talking to you about a corridor that was more than a hundred meters long and the width of the pansicle, like the meters wide, was three meters wide, but sixty meters high and almost a hundred meters long, ten rich fucks, they alone, and he said gonzalo to me. We don' t have time, but if you come in time, I can take you down this hall there' s another gallery that usually people don' t go to that gallery. Most people who go to visit the cave of the stems do not visit these places. Sebastian knows. Most of the places that are open as they are to the public, so to speak, are those that Sebastiantes mentions as the gallery. The amphitheater all these places that are as typical and are those that appear in all documentaries. But the cave we' re talking twenty- five miles there at first hand which is unthinkable to do in three days, in four days, that' s unthinkable. Then there are many labyrinths still to be discovered, to be investigated. I already got to where the water is and I already took on the last trip I took the wagons and the angry ones so I could pass on the other side. I didn ' t pass by, I saw in the living room, and I came back, I mean, there wasn' t time to go on the other side. I went later through another tunnel that told you or I don' t know if I told sebastian that they, which is where they put like the dynamite. This tunnel' s down, it' s down, the

1:34:31 rubble' s down, but there' s no way to open up a lot of debris for them. So what does the xuar tell me to pass to the other side. They know a path a corridor that leads to the other side, but that corridor to get to the other side of that large chamber that was destroyed, takes almost two days of crossing. So, if we' re talking about the entrance being one, we have to bring enough food, water. It' s not worrying because of water. In the cave there is water in the cave there is underground river, there are waterfalls of thirty meters of arto, fourteen meters high. The water is impeccable, transparent, clean from within the earth. There are plants inside the cave in total darkness. There are seeds and plants everywhere, infinite animals, number of animals everywhere. You can find all kinds of animals. There' s giant footprints. There are footprints that look like kids. Giant prints. There' s giant footprints inside the cave. There' s fossil in the rock, yeah, right in the rock. There' s giant footprints. There are fossils of the Mesozoic era. There are fossils in there embedded that I have photographs of them. Well tomas and apart from the petrogriphs and different signs that are all around the cave. The cave I, for example, when I go with expeditions, I try to go exploring, to discover it, to know it. I' m going to take notes of everything I' m going to, discovering, what I' ve already researched to go, trying to go through other tunnels and keep expanding knowledge. Not for the treasure, yes, as the Shuar say. Many people go in search of the treasure,

1:36:02 of finding the treasure, not the greatest treasure that is within the ruel of the stems, it is spiritual, it is mental, to know our own history, that other civilization that was before us here on Earth and that many people consider nonexistent, because it does not exist and we have enough evidence of pyramid temples that you know John Tzu and sebastián all that we have studied in the world. We also know that there is like Machu Picchu that the Incas didn' t do to him, that is, there are things that are there and really no one in today' s civilization can say how they were done, how these things were built, with what technologies these things did. And the cave is similar. That is to say, it tells a story of another civilization that existed on Earth, before the flood, before all the stories that we humans know. We' ve got to keep looking into what kind of fingernail. Yes and I didn' t want them to stop commenting that I don' t know Gonzalo too, but Sebastian. He did see it and I saw in another documentary that you can clearly see a kind of fairies that are other beings like little fairies, which are just like nothing, like little bells. Just as you imagine. You can' t even imagine it. Look at the bell and there it is and there it is.

1:37:18 Well, the very one who says it has a video where you see another little animal that' s called sebastian. I' m out of the name of Rock Rock Son Rots. The ros, the ros do appear many years ago in some films and such has. That' s amazing, no, but the video is amazing. I mean, I saw him for the first time and I said what this is, and he tells me he' s a road. I' m telling you, that' s a pyral that moves super fast, a pyral aha and with multiple plates. So and I swear to you that when I saw the fairies I said they' re not lying to me and people can tell. I didn' t see those fairies, you see him behind the scenes. It' s not bartered, but they' re all the time like around the people you visit. And that' s also a tip to let them know that also those little beings there, there that Lindo Gonzalo has a little minuts. Yeah, I was telling you about that sada thing. Me on an expedition I made right there in the jungle. I go with the Suar and that and I go ahead, I go as a guide, they let me for a moment guide through the jungle, already arriving near the entrance of the cave and appears frozen like the one of piterpan Igualita so half violet lia. Flying I was going with a girl that sebastian knows, her name is Monica and I tell Monica to come to see frost and Monica comes in the back and sees frost and sees her flying in front of us and when we are seeing her, we call the indigenous to see the little indie when suar so that she sees the and the wing like this some movements and hides. And it was funny because for

1:38:49 me it was like the second or the third time that I did see in real there a fairy in front of me, there in front of me I even saw them under the water spectacular and spend the days and Monica gets the worry of fairy and the percussion of frost. When we traveled to Quito, there is a lady who as a shamana of cochasquí of the pyramids of cocha, here we went to visit her in Quito and she was crazy, because to get to the shamanas to ask her about age, because she did not believe in any of that. She says she never believed in this. And when we get to the shamana, she asks her, I come here because I have a doubt and the shamana tells her if you come, because you saw a crazy fairy. But the most interesting curious thing, she tells her you come here because I clear up the fairy question for you. But I ' ll tell you. The Indian told you he saw her, but I assure you he didn' t see her. Only you saw it. He said he saw her, but he almost used the same words the Indian had said and he had said yes, I saw her. I saw her because the fairy left quickly before he saw her. And the lady tells him her name is Mama Gloria that a great friend mine. It is evident, it is clairvoyant and very, very wise of Cochaquí from the pyramid of Cochaquí and they are ninety- seven years old. Ninety- seven years in the native of Car. It' s still waiting for another day. This program of the mysteries of Ecuador does not give time or make final reflections photo. One minute to finish, but I didn' t want to cut anyone because it

1:40:24 was all super interesting. Ale Handro Bernal has thirty seconds to give you final conclusion. I' ve never heard anything so amazing about the stem cave. Many thanks to Sebastian Gonzalo Amajo and I invite all listeners to write us their impressions if they want to go to the cave of the stems. There on YouTube we are reading and in networks can follow me on Twitter, Instagram and tiktok in Arroba ale Bernal presco les, because I just want to say another one thing. There is another world, but they are in this and to see those worlds, to walk through them, you simply need to have an open mind, the ability to be able to suo as a child and think that we are really surrounded by a thousand magical things, of fairies, of fantastic beings. A magic that the ancient gods left us thousands of years ago, a magic that can be seen in places that were their home, like the cave of the stems. And never forget that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery