Historia incógnita

0:07 Three hello everyone as it is there. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, the journalist, writer and director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. Our story is full of exciting facts and great unknowns look at you. For example, in this history, between the 17th and 18th centuries, an Italian luthia Antonio Stradivari was able to make the most perfect violins ever made. Moreover, some of them have already been auctioned for more than$ 10 million. But no one understands why their sound is so perfect. It is by some shade of wood or, for example, in the chemistry of varnish that this man used what makes them sound so special. But this is not the only relevant case that raises many questions about our past. For example, it is necessary to investigate many things that happened in ancient Nazi Germany, where the annenerve was created a whole group of intellectuals who investigated hidden stories, coming to discover much more than you can imagine. But if you want to know about this and much more, don' t miss the last mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio Unknown story mystery night Juan Jesús Vallejo. In a thousand nine hundred and

1:48 thirty- five. All Germany was under the Nazi nightmare. The world was still not able to see how far that madness was going to go, to provoke World War II and just over fifty million dead. At that time, however, amazing things also happened, things that are still worthy of study and reflection today. I hate everything that has to do with the Nazis, especially because they were racist and supremacists, especially because they thought they could conquer countries and that they were superior to the rest of the world. However, I repeat it is a time when amazing things happened, which are worthy today to continue to be studied, because in addition, they left us endless riddles in history. And I want to tell you how, one day in July of the year nineteen hundred and thirty- five, the one who was the right hand of the theater, Heinrid Hindler, the man the second most powerful man in the Nazi regime, created the study society for the ancient history of the spirit known as the annenerve. And it is curious how in this way,

3:21 Henri Chindler and the entire Nazi Party unfailingly supported all that was science and knowledge. They supported science so much that thousands of patents were created during Nazi Germany. For example, the rockets that man would later bring to the moon, designed by Ernest bon Brown, were science supported by the Nazis. The first jets in history, the Messermich, were science supported by the Nazis. But not only did they remain in the support of science, but they also supported research into anything that had to do with knowledge. When the annerve was created, a whole group of intellectuals to investigate the strangest aspects of our past.

4:19 I have to say that when I mention this, I feel a certain envy, because I would have loved to work in the annerve. One of the first investigations they had to do was on the runes and one or secret the words. The ancient Nordic letters and also the Nordic magic symbolology. And one of those runes, the rune of life, was the symbol of the annerve. But the annerve came to have forty- three departments. There was one department, for example, for the study of world legends, another for the study of sacred geography. They had a paranormal science department. They created such a great empire because they never ever limited their minds. They were able to open themselves to any kind of knowledge and understood that researching that knowledge was fundamental to the development of a Germany as a superpower. They tried to recover all the German pagan traditions to end Christianity, which they thought were a religion of the weak and from there also happened things that remained involved in the mystery.

5:53 In the year nineteen hundred and forty- one, for example, Rudolf Hess, the third most powerful man in the Nazi Empire, flew to Scotland to try to talk to We are not clear who even say that with Guston Churchill himself, Britain returned Rudol HeS in an incredible way and still today, the British secret archives that speak of the arrival of Rudolphe remain unclassified. And this had to do with the Annenerve and the investigations that this entity was doing sending Rudolphess, the third most important man in the Nazi regime, to England when they were already in full war with them. But not only that was the creation in the 1930s of Belvesburg Castle, a castle that he wanted recast again what the ancient Arthurian myths were. There a special Henrich Himler room was sitting, along with twelve other SS members the personal guard of the Theater. But don' t think Beldersburg Castle was just a castle. In a group of fanfare, they sat around a table and said stupid things. In Belvesburg the

7:27 Nazis made clear what they wanted to be part of their empire. A library of more than 12, 000 volumes, where sacred objects, such as the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant, were spoken of, objects that were sought by the Nazis. Some of those objects such as, for example, longines, for example, what is the spear that supposedly crosses the Costado de Cristo, which was recovered from Vienna, ended up in his power and in the castle of Belvesburg there were a lot of holes to go putting those relics that were searching for the world. And it is curious because, when the Nazi regime collapsed in a thousand nine hundred and forty- five, the first to enter the anenerbe are the Soviets, nothing remained. We don' t know if they found any kind of relics or sacred objects that we still don' t know where they are today. There are conspiracies that tell us that their objects may be hidden in Antarctica, South America or in some lake in Europe. The point is that, I repeat, this story is worth investigating, because notice that the Nazis were fools, criminals, murderers, racists,

8:58 but to have such an open mind and to support knowledge and science without fissures made them have the greatest technological development in less years than the entire history of humanity. A real feat that I believe continues to give us today a message. When you investigate history, when you look at the reality around us, do not put barriers in your mind, let your mind fly, because when the mind flies, you can find hidden truths that today can try to be revealed. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want to follow me on social networks, in my twitters atróba Juang Vallejo, Juan j Vallejo, on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery journalism. We put the facts on the table and you decide what' s behind it and what' s not. To see the strangest aspects of our past, which is the one that most troubles you, what story, how the great pyramid that happened on Easter Island was made, what medicine was like in ancient times, how it developed, how the walls of Saxahuaiman were created in Peru, in the

10:28 Inca Empire what is the episode of the ignored history that most surprises you that this is the program today. That' s why I started with this introduction talking about the baby and how the Nazis did see our past in a fantastic way, but to dig it up and try to look for a lot of stories that got lost good guys, I' ve been almost two months away from Bogotá. If you notice that tonight everyone or something here, Alejandro Bernal will be on the take because you have come with a rather important bronchitis problem. I' ve traveled the way to Santiago in these two months. I ' ve been traveling around Morocco. The people who follow me on social networks will have seen video I come. It' s been a short week.

11:22 I was in Turkey watching the temples of gobe clipe the oldest temples in the world. In those journeys of author that I make with you, to the people of the mystery family, a family of mystery and all the people who have traveled with me on these two journeys Camino de Santiago and Turkey, a strong embrace to all and a great affection to all because you do not imagine. Well, then, how is this atmosphere of beautiful people looking for spirituality on the Way of James or looking for pure and hard mystery and also spirituality in Turkey. For me it is a pleasure to make that kind of trip and, although I have arrived exhausted as on this occasion, tremendously happy to be here, I realize that, although I am a citizen of the world, my home and my home are in Bogotá. I am tremendously happy to be here again in my home, in this country that is my home, with its flaws and virtues, as any country in the world has, and I' ve already zapped every day a couple of arepas that don' t imagine what missed them, so I' m happy to be around again.

12:24 Well, you know that all these author trips are on a website that is Juan Jesús Vallejo trip. Com from 22 September to 1 October of this year, I am making a trip to Egypt, to sail that river Nile so that you can understand magic that has been written in its temples for thousands of years, that give few squares, but there are still places for that trip. I repeat, 22 September to 1 October. There are people who ask me Egypt, my God, what fear, because Aganza is next door and so Egypt is not involved in the conflict in Israel. He' s a super safe country if not hate. I wouldn' t go. I have friends who have been there this very week There is everything super normal and, besides, it is the perfect year to go to Egypt, because half the people of conventional tourism will go, with which and then they will want to go again all. So nothing I mean, I encourage you to do whatever you want. That trip from September 22nd to October and we started without any further direction. Alejandro Bernal won that he didn' t see you for almost two months. You can' t imagine how many people have asked me about you on the journeys Juan I sa ludo for You, for all the companions of you that you had on these trips, on this journey through the old continent, for your country. A greeting for Richie also, of course, a huge hug for the people who consume this content through the podcast that we publish every week on the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio Juan Gess. It' s wonderful to be back here again in the cabin looking at our faces.

13:54 I think the magic of making live radio is something else. I didn' t already have a win, lack of trementa the sight that we do a lot of program putting interviews, and such because it is also a complex schedule. I have to understand that people have been with us on Saturday night, because they have been with us many times in the family and we have a detailed interview, but this small part of making radio live. I used to throw him out of menon buff a barbarity. Not good enough that we burn radio for us is in our life, what we are doing right now in front of the microphone about your wonderful introduction, juanje and it must be remembered that you and I said at some point that, without being sympathizers of the national socialists, we run away worked in the enervi or be happy to have that budget to investigate the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Alliance, please call me and clear and also, making expeditions to the city of Atanis in Egypt, making expeditions in Tibet, for example, doing expeditions in the south of France, looking for the Holy Agriar, doing expeditions in the Caucasus, that some years ago there were remnants of dan Energe, that is, looking for the Atlantida in Bolivia, Juan Ge, that is to say, it was a Vergel. The greatest intellectuals and the greatest experts in mystery and Gnosticism were part of the baby boiled at the time Juange. So wonderful that tour you were doing And on this occasion we are going to have as a guest David Zurdo, a man who is going to make us a very interesting tour, that will show us that not everything ancient is archaic, but that there are many developments throughout Juange history that even surpass current technology and that there is

15:28 an unknown story, an unknown story that is worth reviving, as did the ann in Herbe about that. That' s why I took that as a reference and before I started the interview with David Zurdo. If I told you what the unknown story is or the ignored story, which you love the most, which you would like the most, then juange. You know I' m obsessed with pyramids. Someday I' ll go with you, but I ' ll explain to someone how he did that. I mean, I know there' s a lot of theories, there' s a lot of hypotheses, but for me the great secret of what technology and what knowledge it was made with was created that impressive monument is a real obsession. For me it is a world icon notice that many years ago, when we did a chain vote, it was when I worked at Millennial Tres WOW, more than fifteen years ago, a vote was taken on what the object was the most mysterious thing in the world. And until the last day I was winning the syndon and the last one say the great pyramid that I' ve been supporting.

16:36 I hate that I understood it to be the icon of mystery worldwide. And when you' re in front, you feel so small that that feeling that you' re commenting on now is multiplying by ten. Wow. Yeah, ' cause it' s not big and ridiculous. One thing is done that says to see that I travel the world. I' ve never seen anything like this, but not even minimally similar. So, then, of course, something that impacts And well, gentlemen, the interview with David' s left- handedness starts. Oh yeah, and today I' m lucky to have here that I haven' t had my good friend David Zurdo for centuries. David, how macho, how long without seeing you, uncle yes, yes, juage that it was about time, no longer needed. It is true that the mutual rivers, because they have prevented us from connecting or getting the agendas to fit before. But you know that I' ve loved being with you and talking about issues that are passionate to you, to me and to me what everyone. Well, then, thank you so much for making a hole in your schedule. It must be said that David Zurdo, a writer, a journalist, is a writer. How many novels you have published David and how many languages they have translated novels. I think there are fourteen or fifteen languages to nineteen and books in total more than fifty. But, well, there' s everything too and with pseudonym and all kinds of novel things. Of course they are less put on to make them sobvio, but they are fourteen or fifteen what lidad. And I, with seven books, thought I' d written a lot of stain until I met you. But,

18:07 well, there' s worse. There' s worse. Yeah, yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Nothing, nothing, because novels and books are highly recommended. I hope by Amazon you can get some here in Latin America. Anyway, hey, David thought I' d make a potpourri out of what mysteries and riddles have impressed you most in your research career. Says the journalist you have a book called a hundred mystery, which you published a few years ago, what pushed you to do that book and what are the mysteries that hit you the most. Well, it' s a book I wrote with journalist José María Inigo. A monster from the television media, from the radio, has already passed away, too, which I would say practically taught me, for almost everything that has served me in my life for that, to dedicate myself also to both writing in magazines and speaking on the radio, also the incursions on television. With himself I was in some program and the truth is that he was the one who brought the mystery to Spain to television before the mythical programs of Dr Jiméndez del Oso and those who came after him were not programs dedicated only to mystery, but he was very interested, and then his programs, which were Lay Knights, which would now be called more form of interviews, because he already carried some or not always but many times to someone related to the world of mystery that besides and I make a small point, I asked him but you believed in it and said look.

19:34 I preferred not to think, because there were very rare things Sometimes and I said I don' t want, but he was very interested then, taking advantage of that, he tube already said TV spaces that they had. I remember cug was mythical. Well, José Maria came in good. This program is heard a lot in Latin America, but those who are Spanish, everyone knows who is Ciñigo. And it' s just that I remember that once he came on a show of his to some kind of saying that he was an alchemist and turned lead into gold a move. So I know I think I still live today on the Internet, but no one. No one could get him to fraud The guy didn' t get caught It was done live. First it was direct. Then the guy was called Risa Saanfer was a Frenchman who, also in the singer was married also to another singer more famous than him. Duality is a very rare thing, but he said something like that it was the reincarnation of the Count of Saint Germain, nothing less and live. He did it there, for it would be a trick of prestidigitation. I don' t say that I don' t know what he did, but there were jewelers, there were chemicals that were there with him, but with him half a meter from the table, he laid a fuck there on a thing with a lead that was also signed by Bueno himself.

20:44 I don' t know if it had beenñigo in that case, because the previous test in France to bring the character had been done by him, but here I don' t know if it was one of the jewelers or one of the chemists who had made a few marks on that lead that turned into gold and did the tests that were done to confirm that something is time, even if you can' t know that the law if it' s twenty- four kilates of twenty or so, and they said, effectively it was gold. There I don' t know how he did or didn' t do it, but the fact is he wasn' t caught, if at least in these matters. I think, I guess this gives us a certain choice that doesn' t mean we' re either gullible or naive, is that when something we can' t explain it, what we can' t do is directly and simply deny if it' s there. This gentleman probably did a trick at ninety- nine comma nine percent, but that zero comma one percent is very valuable and very interesting from the intellectual point of view, I think, because sometimes good when he said that, Carsagan is very famous. This is if you don' t believe anything, because sometimes you ' re going to let go of things that are very interesting in life and, above all, that the facts are what they are. I think just like you with ninety- nine comma ninety- nine percent, this gentleman did was a pre- pre- pre- distictation trick, that is, the word of illusionism, which he did very well, because he didn' t catch anyone worth it. He made it super cool, which also has its merit. Now we' re going to get into another mystery series It' s okay that they' re there and they seem fascinating to me, that they have nothing to do with a man who goes to a TV show and charges money for making a sheath, but they' re facts and evidence and

22:15 things that are there and that challenge us. Well, I think it' s always between mystery journalism and skepticism. The scepticism that every day is more stale, that is, it is negationism, that is. I don' t even mean the videos are m from the pentagon. Not that, it doesn' t exist. But if it comes out pentagon liberal, if they are there, if we are tempted, has appointed a director to investigate it, then at least it must be admitted that they will not be aliens if it is enough, but man who do not know what they are, but who says it Congress of the United States and accepts it Nassa. What else you got? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? What more beings? Yeah? Is it brutal? Dude, is it brutal? Let' s start doing a little review of the story taken a little bit like Script your book of the hundred mysteries Look. I have picked up a number of themes here and one of those that I am passionate about as the cover that I have behind me is the ancient Egypt. And you. One of the mysteries it puts is medicine in ancient Egypt, because thousands of years ago it reached some levels that today seem impossible to us. Well, it was the maybe the headline would be this one. They were the first doctors to deserve the title of doctors, not healers or shamans, but doctors. They were called Sunu Sunus I do not know very well what it is, because you know that of course, the transcripts of the Egyptian are very complicated. I have heard Sunusnu say that if it comes from the Anglo- Saxon world and in fact there is a very famous novel. Some say that it is the first modern historical novel, which is sinue the Egyptian of Mika Baltar and curiously goes

23:48 to the protagonist sinue is one of these ZUU, a doctor who was formed in the house of life. And the interesting thing about it is that at that time the Egyptians began to take those steps towards the most modern medicine. Why. Because ancient times thought, for example, a disease is given to you by the gods, so what did the doctors, including the Egyptians, still threaten the gods with hear if you don' t cure this sick person, they won' t make vows to you or they won' t take you here or they won' t worship you or you' ll be forgotten. He did that kind of thing, but the first ones who realize that the disease may come from outside the body. Not all of them, and I say, are obviously not modern doctors, but they are the Egyptians.

24:30 They were the first to realize this. So really, because I don' t know how to compare them with those that existed in the world let' s say ancient, and then later entering the Greek or Greco- Roman world, for the Egyptians were the first to take those great steps. And I think that, at the very least, it must be claimed, because perhaps we have kept the part I say in a more folkloric general sense that hears super interesting Egypt. Their image, that attraction that has all the old construction, but they have a lot more. They' ve got a lot more. For example, the Egyptians also had board games. Now that we' ve said about prestidigitation. They had and were very fond of magic and, in fact, they took it as something they already knew was false. I mean, we couldn' t think they weren' t fools. The ancients didn' t know it was a trick, but they loved it. As today, of course, magicians prefer people who like to see the trick that tries to break it. Well, for the Egyptians it was this and I say as far as the doctors are concerned, those Sunu are the first ones who deserve the title. They deserve the real title of being the first doctors in history. Name. It' s funny here a number of things.

25:38 For example, one goes to the dual temple of Conombo and in the dual temple of Conombo, at the end that it is, there is a series of engraving with the surgical material of the time thousands of years ago of the temple Conombos, a hallucinating tolemaic reconstruction. I have been with doctors there and I have been told Juan ge It is that the instruments are exactly the same as those I have in the operating room Today there is a character who investigated clearly that there is a very curious character who is owed that he is considered the father of Egyptian medicine, which is without hottet Inhoter left us hundreds of healing formula. I mean, if this guy' s got everyone, you gotta give him honey with I don' t know what? With Tacataco, I don' t know what? So, Sincott left hundreds of prescriptions written and Jote also says he was behind the first drug school in history. And look you' re saying it. They' re prescriptions. It is not only psalms or prayers to implore that the sick person is covered. And this is what makes the difference. That' s what makes a difference. Yeah, anyway, inside the Egyptian doctors there was one that had a role that was I don' t know if I knew, the poop testers. Not the poop testers. There were no human poop testers because they put a stick in the tongue depending on what the poop said is bad liver or does kidneys.

27:11 Ah it was an analysis of Ephesians but the old clear, indeed, yes, but notice that this we can laugh. But the Greeks later said myths as if, for example, I think it had been not sure whether the son or the great disciple of esculapio of the god of medicine who had torn his head that to make him some kind of healing, obviously had not healed and had put God there to screw his head back so that he would continue to live. And that' s what the Greeks thought when the Egyptians were already doing. What you' re saying is you have to put it in perspective. It' s really amazing in this there are many more things.

27:52 That of said David left- handed me fundamental. We have to put it in perspective. It must be said that the parents of modern medicine are the Egyptian, because they did not stay, that we had a spiritual sea, that they also thought yes, of course, but they wrote that recipe for them to pass from one to another. For evils. They created surgical instruments, performed surgical interventions, created a birth chair so that women could give birth at the back of the temple in Conombo, the largest instrument that is reflected is a birth chair for women, as they squatted, clear in what position and how to make them as little pain as possible. Start using anesthetics like the opium case and they really were geniuses, I mean, they were geniuses because, besides, I think that the Egyptian medicine, when then the empire and all paleces take many centuries to get that vision back, especially because Christianity forbade everything, everything was satanic and everything was terrible. Exactly John Gei, as David Zurdo, forerunners of bacteriology, told us, that is, what they were explaining about these gentlemen who were trying the stern, as John Jesus rightly said, is basically what is being done today through instruments is done in this case by experts in bacteriology who imagine the level of progress from that point of view of medicine that the former Egyptian John had that yes, indeed,

29:27 cured fractures all super super well, that is, authentic geniuses the Egyptians. And we' re still here on mystery night. We were talking to David Zurdo about the wonder of ancient times, Egyptian medicine, the creation of modern medicine. As man takes advantage of the knowledge of natural elements to create recipes and be able to cure and not only recipe, but surgical material to be able to operate and be able to end different diseases. And the interview with David Zurdo continues ah Yes, yes, yes, the ancient Egypt, the truth is good, as the Claine of the Ministry of Tourism says, Egypt the country where everything began and is true clear. Yes, yes, that is, all the modern arts science all start in Egypt, although also the ancient Sumeria had yes. Obviously, it doesn' t come out to anything, but it' s true that it' s where you can say that the cauldron is the center. Yes, the first city, yes, the first necropolis built in stone to history, the first stone building in history.

30:41 To this day it remains the great pyramid of Thoseth more than four thousand five hundred years ago and, moreover, incredible, as they do the gate of the Necropolis of Sakara. All polished perfect. That is the truth that they are a thing that seems to be from another world that has then evolved, by the way, because after they stopped knowing how to make certain constructions when they had, say, been a period without doing it. Those also give us an idea of what they did was difficult. Not only look at the constructions, even things that, from the point of view, are a little bit more curious. The carving of the diorite right now is a stone of hardness nine hard avente sheath. The statue that Fren is made of orite of tremendous hardness just like Fren was four thousand five hundred years ago after now carved little or nothing zero at the beginning glass of horita. That statue and now that Fren carved super well the basalt that also very hard and then they stopped doing it. They didn' t have the technique. They lost her.

31:40 Of course they didn' t know how to do it. That' s why, yes. That' s why there' s a theory that is that they say that, maybe, these techniques came from a world before our world kind of lanced or things like that and so they do melbo as we want, because there they don' t get whimsical and they think that this is a raving. No. No. First of all it doesn' t have to be by itself, but you can even talk about it as a metaphorical concept, an earlier civilization, a golden age. You don' t usually say you' re uncle before. And that' s not crazy. We don' t know if it' s true, but it certainly isn' t crazy. No, no, and besides, the Egyptians have it in their own legends. Increasing the land of ancestors, where men and gods lived together and other civilizations. Of course, yes, yes, indeed, with which one must be attentive to that. But, well, in your book, a hundred mysteries, you put in male things that I' ve never read before, and it' s, for example, why the Stradivarius violins are the ones that sound the best in the world and there' s been no balls for a lutier to make you a violin like the Extradivarius, which I don' t know what it costs at an auction. But I think that if several billion such depends on the Stradivari and because they are not all the same, for example, we are going to go in parts, because this is all very complex. I have always been fascinated by the violin, because it is what could be called the first perfect instrument, the first musical instrument created by the human being. We do not speak of the voice, which is always said to be even more perfect of the instruments, but created by the human being, it is the first that achieves perfection before and since then the yoli of a thousand seven hundred much are already manufactured.

33:10 Let' s say following the same pattern Escladivari had a neighbor in Cremona because it was the best place. In other words, they are said to be overtotaling for the wood that was in that area a forest that had a series. Let' s say very hard winters that made the wood very dense. And then that' s also part of the secret of these great luthiers, like this one from Varius, which is the most famous, but the neighbor was WARNERI Warnery from YESU Then he signed that is going to say equivalent to Estradivarison. They are just as good, so to name them the Paganini violinists, the perhaps most famous violinist in history, before in our time it is already taught in music academies also that there are a hundred or two hundred or three hundred paganinis to daism around swarming around the world. In the nineteenth century there were only two Paganini Sarasate who was Spanish, who were of the same level. Well, then Paganini preferred to use a warnerri rather than a stativari, why, because it sounded stronger and he already realized that people applauded more if it was soaring stronger than something they spoke very well. The eye was also called the cannon, the violin and the canon. Well, the point is that that wood that, by the way, a luthier today can go to cremona and buy, because it is stored in wood stores to make a new violin, an anchelo or whatever, or a viola with wood of the same wood that Stradivari Warneri used in his day or the rest of the neighbors of that street where the luthiers were. Well, here' s the thing.

34:37 No one has succeeded in replicating the sound of a Stradivarius, but it is also because it is very difficult to know whether it succeeds or not. The wood of a violin improves over time and with what is played unlike, for example, a piano, a piano sounds the best day that sounds is the day that leaves the factory and from there it goes worse. It deteriorates, it deteriorates, it feels bad to the wood of the sound, but the violin. Then what happens that until two hundred years go by we won ' t know if someone today has managed to stage a stand. There' s a professor from the University of Texas who gives tam or this one from Texas. I think that' s the one he said he got. APA has made some auditory spectra and such the sound of estadivar and by means of a mixture, that is, it attributes it more than to wood to a varnish. A varnish that, by the way, juange has many legends, those varnishes of the stativaries, because it was also said that they could have human blood, because he had written in a Bible, at the end of the Bible, in the recipe of that secret varnish that had then disappeared with the time that or that he had been burned by one of his relatives in an outburst. Well, I' ll be a devil or something. Then the legends are very beautiful, because in the end the music is said to be the good one, because the language to speak to God does not, but for some it would also be the language to speak to the devil.

35:54 That' s what the triton did The famous triton, which was forbidden. You weren' t burned by the bonfire you' ve come to say for using it. But that is to say, a musical formula that if you used it in music, it was considered to be dissolute, it was like to tempt the devil and it was satanic. Yeah, I mean, this is all clear, it' s fantastic, but I mean, there may be better violins out there, even that sound really good in a hundred years or two. But right now, juange. We cannot know well, for he was seeing and sold an extradivarius at sixteen million dollars. Yes, yes, so that you fall back and that is, the secret to the best not in wood, but the varnish, which is what I thought to give the touch to the wood of moisture, forgiveness, elasticity, such all this.

36:40 Yes, yes, in the end it may be that, but the wood, obviously, has a lot to do with it as well. And what a luthier friend of mine says, that good cello also says that there is basically also a part of pure myth, and this he counted on a case that happened to Joshuabel is one of the or perhaps the most famous olinist there is right now. He wanted to buy a new violin. Well new, I mean a violin is new, because then it would be worse. And then at the store of one of the most famous Rutyros, which I think is already closed, I was in Paris. This lutier prepared him, for ten or twelve violins in a room so that he could prove them. And when, after several hours this Joshuabel went out and asked him the good Luthier, because you liked some and he said he does not get to convince me. No one said even the number that was the six. Yeah, and he said no no why you' re saying that. And he says no,' cause those regulars. You just know. I am. Abel failed to distinguish in a stradivarius. Well, man, let' s just say it' s true that there' s a little myth here and I ' m not just emitting, but artistic effectichism. Also not that you' re okay, but that heavy that the guy can' t tell. An extradiaries and professional screenwriter was the best in the world. In fact, if people pay thousands of dollars to go see him and the guy couldn' t tell at a stadium of various. What a complicated guy. It is also true that the ten that this man put on him were high- level violins.

38:07 Logically, he didn' t put a violinchino of those hundred euros not aha well well anyway, well, I would learn to play violin with one of twenty five They didn' t say any idea of music. Hey commented that the famous legend that certain musicians came to make a pact with the devil and how we were with the violin Paganini. Why Paganini is the most famous in this regard in history. And Paganini is said to have made a covenant with Satan because for Nini he was one of the first publicity geniuses. Juange was an annate and magnificent publicist. Then those legends were encouraged by him. He made those people tell that when he played they looked like hands that were in the shadow behind him, that moved their fingers over the violin and all this what he told you before used the and the canon, the violin, the Barnedi that sounded louder. He encouraged the legends that what he was doing was so prodigious that it was impossible for a human being to get it then.

39:08 All this was a pure and hard propaganda maneuver, very similar to the one made the following century that doctor remembers Boronov saying that he implanted you with testicles of monota hacias and you became younger and this made invented the before and after no no, but the funny thing is this but for a moment that he did to Nator France the Nobel Prize in Literature, of course they put testicle of monkey. Yeah, well, they were some. They' re called some. How they say satellites around the character' s own, that is, they' re not taking yours off and putting others on, but they had four balls in your school as they were placed around the pieces, as if they were satellites. Well, the thing is, he made up the thing about the pictures from before there being curved with a sad face and so on and then the other one that went well made up or in a new coat. Or whatever, for this Nini pays already did in that nineteen.

40:00 Then all these questions encouraged them. He invented ongamen, made the legend run that he had killed one of his lovers to hide his voice for diabolical arts. Of course, in one of his violins, that violin had to be pawned, and then he got it back because the devil made the guy in the pawn shop stay so enthralled by the music that he gave it back to him. That is, a series of things that were born because yes and those that were encouraged by him remained a legend around the character and this, for me, I play, has one I think is the most interesting thing, a very valuable lesson is that we are the humans, we tend to that very mitoman, that is, and for me, for bad, When a character is no longer questioned in a general way, he is getting more and more and more praised and seems to be, in the end he pays ninis as the only violinist that there was in the history that I already say today there are 100 Paganinis 200 three hundred, because the concept of being the best violinist. All these concepts are because humans like to have references, but they do not exist in reality. Not only that, but when he ' s looking for an aura of mystery that turns you back and you become a legend like my God, Paganini made a pact with the devil and he was so crazy that he came to murder one of his lovers so that his voice would be inside a violin through a satanic ritual. And I know what makes people morbid. Uncle in Marquez is pure and hard marketing. Man,

41:30 I mean, they' re pretty clear. He was a genius, not just the violin. Yeah, he was a genius. Uncle is wrapping everything in that magical aura, although for marketing geniuses, Nazis, uncle I believe that, of course, yes marketing geniuses throughout history, to Nazis, which I always say the same as what Adolf Hitler creates was the greatest sect of the 20th century that we were born. He brained an entire nation thanks to marketing, advertising with a guy who was Joseph Gebels at the head. Well, it has to be said when I studied audiovisual realization, the concept of modern documentary is created by Lenny rien Fest, as it is the triumph of the will Tornas and such and all history, the putting on the scene, with the strum with the flag, with the swastika. All I mean, it was that return to paganism and the truth and the essence of the Aryan people. And in more, they could not do it, but they were going to make a capital, which was Germania, that was designed. But she' s occupied with what that story was like. There are two previous things to say about Gervania. First he was going to replace Berlin, because Berlin was the Nazi city of us all Germany, that is, in the elections Hilder always had the lowest percentage of votes in Berlin and he bothered him.

42:55 Of course, he didn' t like anything. I' m taking over Berlin, I' m taking over half Berlin. I leave a few little things at Blandenburg' s door and that' s it. But I took charge drank Berlin and made a new city, a gigantic city that with alberesper the architect who also later was Minister of Armament, but that was above all the architect of head we are going to say to fill those megalomaniac ideas, absolute, gigantic, they wanted to make an immense city that besides and this really is not a way of speaking, they said that they left beautiful ruins after a thousand years like the Roman ones, that is, this was the level of thought that they had and then they had the model of the whole city that, by the way, they reached the bunker of Berlin, that there was not enough space there and they had an entire room with the model, that is, the delirium. It has to be recognized that it was quite large, especially because, moreover, when we say architects, we will say more. I don' t know what to call it, not just important, but more philosophical. The loss of the human proportion is something that eliminates from architecture its true reason for being you. You can have a very large work the pyramids of Egypt, you can have a very small work, a building or a house, but there has to be a human proportion related to the sense of that construction. And the Germania was only lawless because if it was not lawless, for example, by a sense of Rome, I whatever it is, that is, love of God makes you make a very large basilica, but I always insist with a relative proportion, at least or indirectly, related to the German human. Germania was the gigantic by the

44:27 gigantic an example, the Great Palace of the people that will have been seen has in fact been seen in series such as, for example, the guardian, not the man of the castle. What' s his name. The series is in the form of Night Castele, yes or High Castle. Well, this one shows up and that gigantic building that was for people to gather inside. When I was full of people, I don' t know if there were two hundred and fifty zero people covered, two hundred and fifty myths, yes, yes, a madness could come to rain by the condensation of the steam itself of those inside. It could rain that was rain, that gives steam from the lungs. Well, it' s just that the flashlight, the top of that dome, the dome. Let' s imagine it as another dome. They had the upper part, another cupulite than with a flashlight to bring in some light, because they were buildings, also without windows.

45:19 Well, that dome was more or less large like that of St Peter of Rome, and that was the small part above. The arch of triumph they had prepared was forty- nine times more volume than that of Paris Goddess, that is to say the total madman of madmen, especially because it would not have worked, because today it is known. At that time it was not known Berlin has a suuelo that is not able to sustain that pressure. Then either you make a foundation that is impossible also because they are not technically encompassing either by materials or by anything. Or if that city had not sunk by itself projected and imagined by Hilder as t do all that in the background imagined that, unfortunately, it was set in motion, but in the end and less badly, it ended up being destroyed. Yes, Germania was a mess, and I' ve seen a model, model photos and so on, and that sounds like a cure to me, and then I always thought the same thing. Let' s say we see this. They were always on the subject of the Germanic spirit and such, but like the ancient Germans, like the ancient Celtics, they made some constructions of Chichi porra that were all made of wood and not very large. In the background, Germania appeared the new Rome, yes, what Rome itself intended. Athens, yes, a city that had buildings I know, like the temple of Diana or the mausoleum such things in the pantheon was what they intended. But that' s for the much bigger beast, because I don' t know if this is something Germanic as such or as it was then, but they liked it to

46:52 be immense, and I don' t quite understand that obsession with giants either. Perhaps the previous century came an architecture, the futuristic architecture was called. I' m not sure. There' s a barquitecto who' s French, said the Luis Boulet. They were very inspired by him, who also made designs. They were never put into practice, but they were huge giants. For example, Newton' s cenotaph is the most famous one he was, as you see images. If there are no designs. If you' re looking on the Internet for this Newton note by Tian Luis Bullet, you ' ll see the size of that which had a kind of gigantic sphere to get inside the style of this village palace that we said before that they had some little holes inside that as it looked like they were the stars when it was day, because the people inside had a vault so huge that it looked like the night sky, that well it didn' t get done, but they got a little inspired by these ideas. I think it' s the issue of not pretending, but saying I' m the one who' s made it bigger, because I' m the one who has the most power.

47:45 I mean, it' s like, for example, the subject of scratching, the biggest thing in the world today would swear that it' s the burcalif that' s on the Arab lookout in Dubai. They' re already doing it for over a mile and crazy. So well, now, for example, there is a project that is ridiculous, for example, as now Mosja Meding Salman, the king of Saudi Arabia is crazy and is saying that the gulf has to be the new Europe. And I don' t know. If you heard the speech he said a few months ago, I think he even bought formula one and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, he' s taken you on golfers by paying Cristiano Ronaldo a million with football. Well, they' re gonna make a city called The Line. Yes, it is absurd the walls of Cristal, but very large, a city that is a line with the walls of Cristal in the middle of a stinking desert in which I wanted to put three million people. Today or yesterday an article came out that has now been chao back and already wants that which comes into three hundred fifty thousand that remains a bestiality and that does it simply to say no, Nowbia, Saudi has a place in the world and we are able to do this, even if what it does is stupidity. And I like this Germania, I mean, I' m going to prove my power. I am the new Great Empire. Berlin is going to be the new Rome. Well Berly no Germania is going to be the new Rome with those buildings that were complete and absolutely ridiculous. I think that ego that we humans have is something that from time to time is like a cyclical. And now I, for example, have seen the Line

49:19 project that has begun to build this city, the one that was going to live a million people, now they say that three hundred thousand. Right now, while I was going over the interview, you' re looking at an article they' re already saying maybe. It is not concrete, because it is stupid, that is, a city that is a straight glazed line that in the beginning wanted it to be up to one hundred and seventy kilometers in the middle of a stinking desert, that is, the least functional thing in the world. But it' s going to prove that I have all the power of petrodollar and I' m here to create as some kind of technology applied to a futuristic city, in the city that I find horrible. No, I mean, they don' t even have the air to breathe, not everything is put in there. I think it' s a horrible thing.

50:05 But in the end delusions of greatness, Benhamed Pin Salman, what a man. If there' s one thing that seems to have merit, if it' s true, I don' t know if you know this. He bought the east painting of da vinci. The pantoktok is a certain controversy they say that they have it in the bathroom the yacht to poop has a guy da vinci in the male milk. I mean, anyway, hello to Mr Jamen Bill Sanman. By the way, Alejandro Bernal and I are here at your disposal. We make you much cheaper financials than delineated we leave you an advertising that will freak you out and here we continue on mystery night.

50:46 And we were talking about that unknown story, about that ignored story, about so many things that happened and caught up in one of the most exciting issues of the 20th century, the riddles surrounding Nazism. And we were talking about that big fiater project that was the new Rome, that Germania. And good as this ego makes characters worldwide. I also believe that today they do not try to copy Germania, but yes, somehow make mega projects that, when analyzed, says my God how they spend so much money. In making a project that from the minute one can see that it is absurd, but good. I think that so much power and so much money make humans go a little bit out of their minds. But, well, we were into the Nazi riddle and the interview with David Zurdo continues like this. Yes, or something perfectly useless is that sometimes that problem, something that does not contribute or that does not, whether human beings advance, because the case of Germany is this. When the Greeks or Romans create their great monuments, they make a breakthrough in the style of architecture, Germania engineering was not that. It was just being what you say is showing muscle and you say I have the biggest of everything, because I can, already ready. I' m a Wande hunger in the world and something bigger than you, because I can and you ' re not a loser already ready. And well and little we have evolved by seeing the projects you have right now. Now there was Saudi In that

52:16 regard and speaking of the advertising of the Nazis, Adolf Hitler draws along with Rudol Hess if I remember correctly. It was a symbol, which is the hebastic one, which is still scary, although it should not be scary, because it is not a symbol that had to be scary. But why they design the plastic and what it means to have good is that in the end the symbols are loaded. Let' s say clearly they' re loaded with history, then it' s scary. That' s why, not because the elastics are so many cultures. In fact, because in the Hindu example itself there are swastikas with Buddhism, not the swastikas is in many places. Well, this is a decorative motif of the ancient Greeks. The swastika already exists, I say, there are many places. Man comes from Sanskrit in this case, but he may have chosen any other name of the beloved flea in Hilder' s time. Interestingly, this symbol was very fashionable. You had used Juange before Gildrablo. Kipling had used it on the covers of his books. He put it as a symbol. It was the Anglo- Indian plan. There was no decoration of the United States postal service, which had a swastika, a decoration for postmen that merged very well. In other words, it has been used in many areas until there was one is that it was then used as well. But let' s say with Hilder when the Olympics And so, but there were advertising campaigns in the United States, some companies, not to say names, but some important ones, that used the elastics as if emblem, because it was very attractive. And it is true

53:46 that it is very powerful Hitler that in Germany the swastika already began to appear in all the esotericism this of the society of Bril tule all these things of Malander, Labashk and all orientalism, the one that is fashionable, because he chose the symbol because it seemed to him that hypnotic. The white background to highlight it from the flag because he designed it in person. Indeed, he had architectural studies, good painting. He tried to be a painter a couple of times and they rejected him that they might have taken him because so bad a painter. Not what it was like compared to the horror that one rode later. But well and then, the red background of the flag was to disturb the communists and to confuse, because he intended to be that touch of National Socialist Socialism Party, which was not well known where they were going.

54:37 And then create that flag that we can imagine today as the symbol. It is that it is the symbol of more than one thing, because one can say of terror, well, terror, of terror of evil also in part, but of political evil, of corruption, of the human being to the extreme that got a people that was at that time is that we just forget it. Germany was possibly the most educated country in the world. And that country, which was like this in the thirty- third year, when power comes, becomes the country that commits the supreme horror of human history. If we look at the proportion of what that country looked like, because of course we can' t talk about me, that I know the Hittites that maybe killed a lot of people, but they did it with a code that is very far from ours, but that of the Germans of thirty- three and then, already, of course, thirty- nine forty- five was not so. Then that symbol that has become something, because that hypnotic. Hilder realized it was like that. This also makes us see that it was not a coincidence, that everything was plotted with a lot of intelligence. What happens is that intelligence does not have to, as we see it going together neither to humanity, nor to goodness, nor to piety, nor to anything like that nothing. If the Nazis, for example, on an economic level, were milk, an economic revolution was made in Germany, tremendously brutal industrial.

56:00 The problem is the new dark nuance that they had of if you don' t think the same as I kill you and besides, I' m superior to you for what I would be. Ademan is the problem at the root of the racel. Then the power you have said of propaganda, because Germany and this is very curious, because I, who am a great fan of the history of World War II, both politics and war, but above all politics, that of the history of the Nazi Party of Hilder and its minions. And so I didn' t know this that I discovered we' re going to say watching a documentary series recently and I understood something that had always caught my attention. It' s very curious. It is when the Nazis, in the mid- thirties, decide that the German people cannot enter, they cannot buy in Jewish shops, that it had been something like because direct, that is, it is already to say not among that Jewish commentary was the Jews are very bad and that is it. But that was not the case when they made the first move so that people would not buy in the Jewish community. Most Germans. He paid no heed, for he said, but not if I have always bought that or the books. For whatever it is, then Gebels had to organize a two- year campaign with lies about performances and crimes of all kinds that the Jews had been doing, so that the people would end up believing that the Jews were really worse than they were and that they were the bad guys in the film. But it took two years, that is, it was not something repentant, because sometimes it seems that the people, moreover, had gone mad overnight, because it is not the power of propaganda made by people who know how to do it and who, moreover, have no scruples. Well, besides, Joseph Gebell is a

57:32 genius. You know one of the things that scares me the most when I read I read the Gebels propaganda law and so it' s been a few years since you had, for example, in principle, that it' s called the furera, which is called transposition, transposition that when a political enemy of yours tells an incontestable truth, that is, it turns out that this lord of this robot political party and it' s incontestable because there are the bills all about how theft transpositions don' t talk about what you know you ' re going to lose. Insult him and attack him, no, because you were stealing because you and completely deflect the conversation, do not get involved in a conversation that you have lost. To this day, I see Spanish politicians are the same as all more Nazis than Hitler had. Uncle, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Then you get caught with another luck. You get caught in a fucking corruption case.

58:29 And it' s not you who steal more than me, but yours doesn ' t talk, yeah, not you. Besides, it' s an unnoble thing to say. In general. A lot is also done about the history of different peoples that if some have been more evil than others and so on. When you say look, let' s talk about what has been the history of humanity and the others are considerations apart. But what you' re saying is true, it' s still used today because it works. Unfortunately, because it works. There is no way for us to see the kind of political leaders in Spain and here in Colombia, in you everywhere. Yeah, I mean, it' s a horrible thing, well, but these gentlemen developed such fabulous technology. In the third rule and for example, recently I was in the United States, I was freaked out by a plane, the Messermich, which is the first jet in history and relationship. Yes, yes, indeed, I saw a messer then they improved it. There was a second version of the Messermitch several, the horte on the ballator.

59:25 That was a reaction, too. Yeah, and then they showed me a plane, man, I don' t remember the name I went crazy on. I was wearing a very rare antenna and they told me it was the first plane I could fly at night and maneuver perfectly at night. Yeah, I know you' re saying, I don' t know exactly what it can be, but they did have one that was rocket propulsion. Yes, others that were of reaction the month demit was of reaction, the wine of propulsion, a rocket, and then it was the flying wings, the hortens or the gout, the geo that were also carried engines of reaction, as engines that are then used very soon after the war. Already the planes that we all know, the know this love, for example American or Russian, when they start with the mich that already carry that kind of engines, that is, the Germans in the forty- four are already using these planes.

1:00:12 What happens that month to Smith, which, if I' m not mistaken, was the m two hundred and sixty- two. I think it' s what it' s called. Couldn' t work well, not by the plane. You know why it was because they didn' t have pilots. If they didn' t have pilots and they didn' t have manufacturing capacity, he' d tell me. But even though the last ones who arrived in the forty- four still could something, they were not efficient. That' s why I couldn' t get it. Imagine if the war had begun in thirty- nine, but forty- six, having this one rise one and sub two, the first missiles of history, and having and having planes that when one was at that time went the maximum. I think four hundred an hour or they' re going to seven hundred, seven hundred and high per hour. If I had been a guy, they had fuel consumption problems too, because there was always the power. You know no, but it' s true. The v two the rocket, the first rocket in the study, is the first human object to come out of the atmosphere.

1:01:08 Yeah, and he comes back in? Sure, he could stay out, but he was coming back in. And that' s who he is. He is then the precursor of the United States Saturn V rocket. This is Fome Brown, who creates the flying bomb thing, the b one and the rocketo two, that is, German technology, German science. Actually, that' s why I used to say that the Germans were a country, the world' s paimatilisate. They didn' t have half the great musicians, writers, scientists. All that was German for a century and a half are more important. Einstein, let' s forget. He was Jewish, but German Jew, yes, clear and formed in Germany. I mean, it' s good. And there' s one thing that' s very curious. How the creators of the atomic bomb were all Jews. Dude, the one who devised it was a Hungarian. The Jews two were urey was OFHB, of course, he was in the garlic. Then there was also Edward Teller who was near and who will be of Italian origin, but there were many that were scientists expelled from the area of influence, not only Germans, but because urai if I am not wrong the Hungarian, but yes, and then all that were expelled because the Nazis thought that, besides that it was science, we are going to say as corrupt, or that relativity, that it was a kind of Jewish lie. And such a good thing, because that caused in part that they lost the war. So, well, where they give them, they take them that they usually say no, no, yes, the truth, that' s a pretty poetic justice story.

1:02:30 A little yes, but then what does seem very strong to me and this is mentioned in your book is that there are a series of ten scientists like Erne Pom brownque it is not clear up here, next to the man it was ethical, not because Nepon Brown belonged to the SS To the personal guard of the fine and saw how thousands of people died. In the case he actually used the constancy capo where mittelber did to make the b two up and the Americans arrive and do the paper clip operation and here for skins to the sea and take more than a thousand scientists. I think it was yes, yes, the most famous. Perhaps it is precisely Gornal Fomen Brown, but there is also the second, so to speak, Heisenberg, which is the principle of determination of Heisenberg, which is the one that makes us not know whether there is really in the world of microscopic, quantum or no chance.

1:03:21 This is from the time of Heisenberg. We owe it to him that great debate that we may never skip the real solution, because we cannot, in principle, know. But the fact is that of the German scientists, who were designers, engineers, scientists, pure and hard of all kinds of chemicals, all this was a career, not from the United States anymore, so we know the American operation more. It was a race among the English for a SITH, on the one hand, the Americans, which then the English withdrew a little bit, but the English also and especially the Soviets, threw themselves over Germany to capture all possible scientists or people related to the world of science, technology and each took those who could and took them to their country.

1:04:02 In fact, so much is the space race. It is said that he was almost German, because in the United States a joke came out in a newspaper. In one of these let' s say several vignettes that looked like two satellites were going to cross into space. Then the one would put Russian USA and the other would put f FCP good s SSR, which would be URS the URS. Even the two went across and as they crossed, the two ou fiders said in mind Floynd that it is called God Adrigo in German, that is, each in one place, but they spoke in German or not, for that was true, that is, and of course what happens, that this is the most questionable part, is the ethical part.

1:04:44 Sure, you say people he' s done. Some of them were not completely clean scientists. Heisenberg himself, though in the Nazi atomic bomb development program, was neither a Nazi nor anything like that. But WN bombard, yes, yes, it was. He showed up with Walt Disney, doing even space career promotion. You know state. Two are things that lead us to think if, in the end, the reason for state historical convenience, because if you do and you don' t, you stay behind. But it ' s very sad. I also tell you that it is very sad that the same moment that there are wars, and how we are going to scandalize all of this. Another is a little more of that barbarity and human madness. Is it too complex? Is it too complex? Look from the same Newremberg trials, that the other day I interviewed a lawyer about this thing that he' s pulled out a trial book and such for the Caracol program.

1:05:28 He said no. But how you judged all the Nazis and in the party you didn' t make there were twelve million people. It' s impossible, it can' t, I mean, you have to judge the ringleaders and so the people that I' ve moved all this and so here the issue is ethical, that is, and what they' re going to tell you is all the same. The other day I was with a man who works for the company, he told me we didn' t have to, because if the Russians weren' t going to take him. It is what has no ethical issue, without any ethical issue. No, no, no, before the Russians take it I already Chao okay yeah, sure, it ' s already sad, but I don' t know uncle to be a Huen Ju. Pacifism also passes. You do not have the pacifist. When Hitler came to power and knew what he was doing, he stopped being pacifist, not because he was no longer in spirit, but because the problem you have if we use different decks to play or you use marked cards, because you can' t face it. And, of course, imagine if on one point you hear that this looks like I' m going to defend the lack of ethics. It' s not like that much less. But if, for a more ethical, more humane question, the Allies had not made war against the Nazis, how it was done, then perhaps, right now we call ourselves all Nazis. You know then and speaking also, it' s yes clear good. That' s the thing, that' s not what you say. It' s very complex. It' s very complex and put your opinions down here on the YouTube channel. Yes, everyone has their opinion, because it' s a subject. I think it' s very complex. Well, all these ethical components that we' ve said made good the Nazi extertors, that is, the Peper Clip operation, m of more than a thousand scientists brought to the United States and erased their past.

1:07:04 The Soviets on whom they could. But it must be remembered that if we came to the moon, it was thanks to Nazi science, to Mr Ernet po Brown, to all the scientists who were with him, to the creator of space medicine, Goubertus Strudel, who a few years ago removed all the prizes he had and all that was around him, since it was shown that he was, for example, involved in experiments he did with children. So, well, that' s the reality and I' ll take that conclusion from David Zurdo. Not the war between humans is something so crazy that what comes out later is still completely absurd and ethical, kinetic none. But well that doesn' t like it or not in our history nature and that' s what today' s show is about to hear about it. They invented a concept called the Wonder WAFE. Yes, they were like fantastic weapons, that in those fantastic weapons were the uv one and w of the quates of history. In that Wonder Waffer we' re talking about a very real thing.

1:08:15 The Messermichs were the first. There was a reaction from the story that what David Zurdo said honest eye that if there had been a plane in Messermich a year or two before, because it means that all those prototypes, many of these prototypes, were in Penemunde and when they find out about Pnemunde, their secret base and bombard it and everything is delayed. And so. But imagine if they hadn' t bombed Openemunde, the B two and the Messer Mich aircraft developed before, that the problem when Messermins develop is that there are no pilots anymore Beware that the world was talking German today, but this Wander Wafe has up to a version two to zero, which is a thing called die glock. What milk is this one of the day. Before answering your question, Juan Ge, I want to contextualize something about the second bafe, because we have to bear in mind that, although they represented in a way, the great advance that they had logical, technological, scientific and engineering, which had a good number of the components of the socialist national. The GUNDFAFE were a concept that was encouraged by the Nazi Propaganda Ministry. Then there was, of course, a great why not say it, promotion goal, to show what is new the newspaper world was the brightest, the most powerful and

1:09:45 the most technological and that had weapons that no one else could have and that no one else could develop. Well, this was the slurs of juange, valley trouble down here, but good nothing. Yeah, yeah, they invented the mesmerisms. This is worth getting her up at her age. I remember when the war between Russia and Ukraine began. Yeah, the invisible Russian planes the aita missiles are, where are they? Where are the Russian hypersonic missiles, where are they? When he went out through Mirputing and said when the tankers came in, ninety, the war was over, where the east ninety are. In other words, Russia has been lying for many years about the military technology that has been demonstrated, unfortunately, in a conflict in which thousands of people have died and continue to die that is not good for shit.

1:10:35 In this case, with more technology than the Russian proportion, let us not be fooled. Yes, of course, because the Germans did seasonally yes, yes, yes, conventional war. Eye with this then was a propagandistic element, but with a real fucking base exactly Jorge and in that PFE board concept, weapons of war were created like the Ubots who were Juan that a series of submarines that had the ability to launch ballistic missiles in the early 1940s. Be the loin. If you imagine having conceived that an absolute madness. As you also define submarines as a project that was known as the electrophoto was electrobot, it was a submarine that operated with electricity and could make deep dives.

1:11:29 But for me, I entered these Dabafe bonds, one of the craziest and where they would have done so, I would have already been chapo by the national socialist lords. The type 11 submarine was a submarine that was going to have a folding seaplane and that was going to have the ability to get out of the water and fly. Not at high altitude. But if a series of flights will be a kind of Juange device that exactly submarine carriers, an instrument that the Japanese actually came to manufacture could carry exactly three seaplanes and in addition those seaplanes wanted to carry bombs from Peste bubonin only part of delivering the United States. When the surrender was signed in Tokyo, they delivered what was there, I think there were three, already six. So they gave themselves to the effective gringos, exactly Juan Que, and probably the most todontic, apart from the fact that I am going to speak to them about it, was the submarine class H Juan Que, a patent that arose in a thousand nine hundred thirty- nine to make us the idea of what this submarine was.

1:12:33 Well, it' s more than your sailor in a class h carrier was going to have the ability to mobilize more than one hundred and forty zero tons. In nineteen hundred and thirty- nine they wanted, apart from that, to incorporate eight twenty- inch guns. They wanted this plane carrier to be the ultimate weapon, class H N N U, within this second baffet of the Nazis, Juange. It' s not that if they hadn' t done stupidity it' s in Chile' s least marked war, he wasn' t a good military man. If I had, we still speak German on Romel' s case. They wouldn' t have, they' d have razed in World War II. But good, but thank God, at the end of the darkness there is always a light and we are going to talk about one of the most fantastic, that would be ten what and here we continue in mystery night and we were talking about the wonder WAFE, the impossible weapons, between quotation marks that were developed in the Second World War by Germany Lazi, the Messermitch, for example, the first jets in history, it raises one and it raises two, the first rockets of the underwater history that are thought impossible carriers that would have made the course of the war change. And there' s one who' s talking about this Wonder Offe in quotes, between the compilation, the curiosity, the disturbing reality. And

1:14:05 there is very important do, but the most important, with much difference from the diglog that was this of the di block juange, better known as the bell, a device that would have had the ability to challenge gravity with anti - gravitational properties and even travel in time. This looks like the script of a science fiction movie, but it' s amazing. And to talk about Ten what juange we need to talk about and Gold Whitzowski. It turns out that this is a Polish researcher who made this story of Diez Lock very popular in the early 2000s, twenty- four years ago. And this was based on information that this man received from a Polish secret service agent who was talking to Whittowsky and told him that he had in his possession a documentation, which had the statements of the interrogation of a CSS officer named Jacob Sporrenberg SG.

1:15:11 And it turns out that when I saw Towsky he received this information that he gave to this Polish secret agent of this Jacob Sporting Bergh. The details that this BAFFENEFSS officer commented on were mind- blowing. According to Sporrenberg, in a thousand nine hundred and forty- three, Juane Adolph Hitla appointed Hams Camla Camla was an engineer who had made part of the development of the uvdos missiles next to Ferner Bon brown Era. We could say that one of the best Nazi engineers there was at the time, and Hitler asked him, demanded that he develop a weapon that had anti- gravitatory capabilities to be able, thus having a war advantage over the allies. According to this interrogation, Hams Camla was working on a secret base Juange, which was called jer Raiza, which was located in the Sudetens, on the border between Germany and the Czech Republic and that base is super real and today you can still visit exactly those kilometers, tunnel Cyclometers, that is, there is no doubt, exactly Juang and beginnings of that year basically began to do the work to develop this bell.

1:16:30 It is die and block that was basically a structure that, as its name says, in the form of a bell that would be between two seven meters high and a width of three seven, that would have properties of hard metal and heavy and reitero, as Sporrenberg would have said in this interrogation, had anti- gravitation properties. The unusualness of this story and why not say something of the most mysterious Juange is that, according to Sporrenberg, when Camla brought this group of Nazi scientists together to perform the relevant tests to verify the functioning of this artifact. Of the seven Nazi scientists who were working directly, five of them died in strange circumstances. It is not known whether it was in this case related to having been testing, being experimented with this artifact or whether they simply disappeared in some fortuitous way. The truth is, these five men died. And this is where this story is tied to the PPER operation that to contextualize our perpey- copier listeners the Second World War is over and the Americans make a pact with the Nazis to take some of the brightest scientists and minds to work on the American side. Of course more than a thousand took two others exactly among them one of the most designated Ferner bon Brown, the eighteenth of the bony rockets, who ended up working for the right NASA and

1:18:03 being a hero in the United States, exactly and basically the man who is responsible for the Americans coming to the moon in this case. So important this story turns out that, according to Porrenberg Juange, when the Nazis literally saw the war lost, Kamla decides to meet with the Americans and decides to negotiate my freedom for technology and knowledge of how to develop the bell. That is one of the hypotheses that has emerged in this regard. Another states that the Nazis would have taken this device on a submarine and brought it here to South America, along with other important hierarchs such as Adolf Hitle, who, as you know, Abel Basti, is one of the biggest riders who defends this thesis. The truth is that to this day, Juange has not been able to find a document is p sol about the existence of diek block. But if there is the base, if there was the engineer, if there was the development and something very important, Juan Ge the truth is that Adolf Hitra if he aimed to develop any amount of exti technology and why not say it, how more exciting for a Nazi than to tell him that he would have a gun, that he would challenge the gravity and with which he would be able to travel in time for what that applied. Well, I mean, there' s a few things in there that are confusing and other things that are so clear to me. And if they would make this story real,

1:19:35 let' s see in those documents what he talks about and the shock to see is talked about actually, that is, they create this bell to kill people in a war, if a gun, they create it as a weapon. And in addition, there is talk of a compound that is being a five hundred twenty- five, that is a compound that they put in chemical between two coaxial rotors, and that this chemical compound, being between those two rotors, was able to kill people around 200 meters and doing those experiments of how to kill people And such and with a kind of chemical weapon, mechanical chemistry, is when they begin those effects of anti- gravity and sheath that they didn' t even expect themselves and then I think they didn' t know how to investigate this gets silver kill or clear, because antigravity would have some fucking applications. What is true is that this antigravity thing and if they were able to develop it, a German scientist who was Rudol Shewer, who is the famó who designs the famous flying saucers of the Nazis, exactly that is the only way for that kind of flying saucers to somehow come to work.

1:20:54 Couldn' t be conventionally powered. It had to be by force, with a kind of propulsion that challenged gravity. And it' s funny how many Omnis researchers say those buckets that arrive here take advantage of the same gravity of the earth exactly before it. Gravity is a force. If we had the technology, I think I know how to take advantage of clear hatred and they came to that scientific principle. Clearly, John could have developed it, and about what you say not only this Nazi engineer. María Orcich, who belonged to the brill society within what was Tule society, a very deep subgroup within Tule society. In order to contextualize the listeners, María Orsic, one of the most important visionaries within the Socialist National, a very beautiful woman of Austrian origin, a woman who, according to the information, through automatic writing, was able to channel messages from beings of the constellation of Taurus, who provided her with a plan with which anti- vital technology could be created.

1:22:05 As you will know, the Nazis sought not only knowledge through science, but through myth. At the same time he hides them. For this plan in Herve they had forty- three departments there to investigate that thing that we like exactly, exactly John, so, by Uro, on the other hand, they could clearly have come to this knowledge. Yeah, sure, and there ' s too many details. Not only the east compound of being a five hundred and twenty- five, but the dishes that rough design is sheware i e. And you have to say one thing and a store, a documentary, a subject that struck me a lot, a documentary about this, and it' s that there was a filming of one of the first tests that Bon Brown did with a rocket long before the Nazi Germany rant of the twenties, so you watch the video and you die of laughter because it' s a rocket and it shoots, it turns around, it falls and it' s a cake that, I mean, it' s ridiculous. Okay, everybody laughed at him and the Nazis said it' s silly. Someone' s done it so far. He' s putting in a liquid fuel, a rocket is making him not come give him money and give the equipment and investigate and notice what made the final financial sky, that is, don' t laugh, because it' s a start. The idea is good, yes financitate it and in that male sense these people were an incredible thing.

1:23:34 That' s why the big developed countries are investing the most. That research and development animal investigates a thousand things and of those a thousand things one will work and now that your economy changes exactly effectively. Gentlemen, well we hooked up with this the Nazis, we loved the subject as a blind, and we were talking to David Zurdo, with our good friend on the Nazi issue, and now we were going to change from you to keep moving forward on unknown stories, the redundancy that have happened in history and the interview with David Zurdo continues like this. And to close a topic that I' m passionate about because it' s a topic that our friend Newton liked and dedicated everything to and that he spent more time in his life than making the theory of what gravity was and how it is to decipher the Code of the Bible that, according to Newton, we palmed it in the two thousand and sixty.

1:24:30 What' s this about the Bible code? Then came a mathematician and real, Michael Drourning, gave him this two point. Well, there are several codes ofÁvila, but let' s say the extended bar. The first five books of the Bible for the Christian world are The Pentateuch, for the Jewish world are the Torah, but they are the same five books made, the same. Moreover, they are evidently in Hebrew, they have been saying for many centuries. It is debatable if they have not changed, if there have been alterations, but in theory, if someone makes a copy of the Torah and is wrong in a single letter, it must be buried, destroyed. But it must be ruled out. Well, in any case, it ' s been known for a long time that they' re say a collection of letters that are always the same. This is important when it is in clear Hebrew, when it is seen to be the original or the original or the most original, at least we have, because maybe a part was written in another older language. Who knows, but what has come is in Hebrew when it is translated into English, Spanish or Chinese. Obviously, that' s already broken. Well, what happens that the letters for the Jews, also for the Greeks, have a numerical value. But for the Jews there was the gemacy that is the art of saying that when a word has when converting words into letters forgive numbers one value and another has the same value.

1:25:46 There is a mystical connection between them. I' m going to explain it a little better, because maybe this isn' t well understood. For example, the aleph is a value one, that is, of memory, but the jud then, perhaps, is a value seven and the tau is the ten. So, if a word is written with these three letters, you can add their values and it comes out for me that I know, for example, seventeen. If another word with more or less letters, because the values are different, it also gives seventeen for the Jews. In one of the currents of thought is that they have a connection. Let' s say mystical what happens. Of course, if you explore the Bible with those letters thinking that there is a coded message from God himself, no less than I know that it inspires it according to tradition, of course you can find messages that can give you information far beyond that which is in the text itself We will call it clear, as a christograph of the Torah would say, there is a phrase that is that everything that has been is and will be is in the Torah. That is what the ancient Jews think then clear and now also clear that it happens that in the end you are supposed to find those messages or that key that allows you to decipher God' s plan. Well, well, actually, what you were saying, Newton was one of the great scholars, also of alchemy, is that in Newton' s time, alchemy wasn' t a science that was devoted to disa laugh or something so it seems that now of the alchemists is that they didn' t know what they were saying was that it was a very serious thing. I think the boom of this too is to understand in the West the Jewish cabal, which

1:27:17 is thousands of years old, because the Jewish one finished it what she thinks is that Jesus Christ. What brutality I have just said that God, that God, that the moment of creation not only occurs in the past, but is constant. Today people are born, everything is created, so and so that God can communicate with us in that act of creation through the number of colored letters and so and so clearly speaking what is the connection, which is the complicated. Indeed, then you take the Torah which is the Old Testament. You take the Hebrew tone and then you start looking for code numbers to look for messages from God that have not been warned, which is going to happen, for example, tomorrow, as Newton did, which is that he dedicated his whole life. This is what happens is that there are a lot more like letter soups, relocating letters in different ways, looking for similarities in numerical series, that is, there are many ways to do it, even turning the tora around and looking the other way around. I mean, it ' s very complex, logically, but it' s what you' re trying to do. Yes, finding that message or those divine messages. And then there came a mathematician, Michael Dronning, who lined himself with the Lo Bible Code. The mathematician was Yahur Rips. Mike tons Ni was the New York reporter who did it. Famous. Mike Honding wrote the famous book, the secret code of the Bible, but it was him and already hur Rips is the mathematician that what he did was say okay. Well, now that we have computers, let' s do this better. We are not going to do it by hand, nor are we going to do a computer program

1:28:49 that allows us to perform searches in reason, a series of mathematical criteria, which is the repositioning of letters, the repositioning of series. Let' s just put it down right away. This is all very complex. You wouldn ' t have to make drawings to understand the best. No, but the fact is that, looking in those letters for hidden messages, because programmed by computer, they found one that was dramatic in its day, which is the death of Isaac Rabin, who was the Prime Minister of Israel, this happens. It seems to me that it was in' 93 that they tried to warn him. He says good. He can' t believe this and then it turns out they go and murder him effectively, as predicted well. For a skeptic you may think it' s obviously a coincidence. I think chance exists. Found what a lot of people think, I think they exist, and there are times when there are coincidences. We see it It can often be a coincidence, that is, no, not a sheik, but it ' s a striking enough chance not to think it' s a coincidence and that' s it. Maybe, or maybe not. Yeah. Sure, sure, he' s clear and he' s looking forward to it, so here he comes. Rabin' s murder made him famous in the world and Radin' s murder just changed the history of Israel and the Middle East, because he signed the wave agreements that could then be carried out. David Zurdo, my friend, how I have fun with you going over the most unusual parts of history. I want to thank you because you' ve made a hole in your schedule that I know is so messed up that Romano' s leg is not happy. I' m happy every time I interview you

1:30:20 and see you in Madrid, soon, we' ll have some canes and some good tapas. All right, listen to how you can follow people and stuff, but I know who you want to follow. Some, you can special that something. You can mostly, Twitter is the only thing I have, whatever it' s called now that X doesn' t, well it ' s David Zurdo arroba or it' s my full name David Zurdo. All followed one left is with z We already know that Zurdo would be for only the Spaniards, say by the cet. So rare, no, but good and then on the website, for example, of RTV, which is Spanish television radio, because there are podcasts of the programs that I am doing or where I collaborate. Not that your podcast is called the main one, which is the program I present, it' s called the past. It ' s not what was very good anymore, mate, because super recommended that podcast of the past is no longer what it was. Friend, little brother of a hug and see us in Madrid right now is worth a hug to You and everyone. Come ta later, Chauch. I enjoy communian whenever I interview Day Zurdo, which is a huge intercurrent. I don' t know how many books have forty fifty simple, impossible languages or apart, it' s better person being human. And I' m looking forward to those canes, those canes in Madrid, and I think it' s been a review of a number of facts that make us have to rethink history and not just

1:31:50 that. Look at this last story. The book that becomes so famous of Michael Dronning, that I was really wrong in mathematicians, is called rips surnames the one who pulls out this computer program and starts looking for that kind of message. And why not and why you can' t be right. The cava, the bean and that kind of message. They' re telling us information about things that are going to happen. And Isaac Newton dedicated his whole life to this more for a certain year two thousand sixty. According to Mr Newton, we' re going to fuck that at this juncture with climate change and more than a madman out there who has nuclear power who wants to go to war, because the same thing wasn' t so crazy. I have been lucky, for example, to be in that fet that is today' s World Cabal Center in Israel. And no uncle is exciting. I mean, I recognize that when I was giving us a Jewish cabalist talk and so the talks were masterful, that is, they first saved us from quantum physics.

1:33:00 And how to this of what is above and below it seemed in all these ancient texts. And such is no longer speaking for speaking, but there is an invisible world that is connected with this. And then, speaking of that invisible world, did we get a flip- floppy globe? With this, it will be the earth globe that the type Y is going to do and whatever it did to me was putting the music of the world according to the latitude from north to south it is worth what the music will be like in Central Africa, how the Caribbean sounds, how it sounds in the United States and how are the civilizations that inhabit there and they talked about how it is a universal vibration and how about ours. Mind comes out a music that matches how we' re living and such stories and I don' t know what. Then of course you get that talk a rabbi wow flips it' s a pass. I thought it was a super, super crazy thing.

1:34:05 No. Then, of course, I do not refuse as did the ann in herrbe to see really beyond the apparent, to investigate that it is worth that very broad knowledge. Yes, broader than science. Science is a method of knowledge, it' s something much broader and it' s worth scuba diving and getting in. Around there, John G Isaac Newton had a concentration of heavy metals fourteen times higher than that of any other human being. And this is a fascinating story because it turns out that this man, in his youth, apart from being obsessed with the Bible and having been one of the most brilliant physicists and scientific minds of all time, actually Isaac Newton wanted to be an alchemist and from a very young age began to perform such a number of juange experiments with antinomial arsenic lead that when they examined his remains recently, British scientists determined that in Mr Isaac Newton' s hair there are fourteen times as many heavy metals as in any other human being in history. Testing alchemy, testing alchemy. John ge and another surprising fact of this is that, according to these men, it is possible that Isaac Newton, one of the brightest minds history, after doing those experiments of alchemy, could have had hallucinations, for having contact with these substances John Gessi, hallucinations perhaps saw the theory

1:35:42 of relativity, of reality, forgiveness of gravity, of the gravity of age. Everything is exactly exploring another plane of consciousness. Perhaps it allowed him to find the key to gaining access to another knowledge, a very, very, very sneaky character of people who criticized him a lot, who was very bad human being and who was super cruel And such you know that they made him lord So, then, he had to go to the Chamber of Sorrows. You know the only sentence he uttered all the time he was in the House of Lords. Please close the cold window. It is the only phrase he uttered in the world of politics that interested him in politics. That' s good for me to fall. That makes me like Mr Isaac Newton. Anyway, end up with a smile. I think it' s always a very positive thing. Alejandro Bernal, a friend who is happy, after almost two months, to be here again, in Bogotá, in house, here on Caracol Radio, to be in contact with the listeners through the probe and to do what we know, to do, which is to talk about mystery and journalism of mystery, to do what we love most, which is to do Radio Juange. And as a conclusion of this episode, I believe that David Zurdo shows us once again that not everything ancient is archaic, that we have to look at the past with much respect. As Davis himself said, the people of the past were not stupid to see. I think it is a precept that must be re- evaluated above all and that is being re-

1:37:13 evaluated fortunately, in our day. There is knowledge that surpasses us, that far surpass us and that has to do with peoples, ancient cultures and civilizations. So it is an invitation to look at the past with more respect, with more admiration and, above all, to learn to build ourselves from our roots, to take the best of those ancient peoples and hopefully, to bring them into our time and hopefully, from a perspective and an optics that will help us evolve. As a species. Juan ge and they can follow me on social networks, on Instagram, in alebernal press arroba Instagram abernal Prez con les. Thank you very much, Jorge, Good, little sir. Hereje says I love the interview like the one done with David Zurdo, because I get into a fantastic past, a past that is worth learning from, that is worth learning even from some villains, as were the Nazis, because even in the darkest soul in the world, there is always a light. So it' s great that we look at our past so that certain things don ' t happen again and it' s great for us to look at that human talent has been able to cross the boundaries of the time we' ve done wonderful things. And that light and that ability to do wonderful things is what always makes us have an eternal ability to dream as well. Never lose it. Neither do you. Never stop believing, never stop dreaming and never

1:38:46 forget that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery