Expedición al misterio

0:04 School, not everyone, like it' s there. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, his journalist, writer and director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. I send you a greeting from the cove beaches in the heart of the Colombian Caribbean. The mystery culture and mystery pushes us to travel, to face the unknown. Few emotions as shocking in the world as standing in front of the pyramids of Giza and trying to understand its mystery, walking, for example, through the temples of northern India, like caajurao places that speak of worship ancient gods, making expeditions to the jungle to be next to ancient shamans that whisper to birds. A whole magical world that today is getting lost more and more because of this 21st century that ends our soul. But that doesn' t mean we don' t want to keep traveling. But if you want to know about this and much evil, do not miss out.

1:08 The last mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio Expedition to the mystery mystery night Juan Jesús Vallejo, many times I dream of those times when the maps carried the word unexplored, large corners of the planet that were full of riddles that made our imagination due to what things there would be able to dream so high that we were even able to look for old lost cities. Go to the search for mythical treasures such as the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail, feel the song of the luncheon walking through the streets of Istanbul, hear the prayer of the Talmud sitting in front of the wall of the laments, walk

2:43 through unknown serva, listening to the song of the shaman whispering to the birds. How wonderful it is to feel the warm breeze of the desert and the sand that gets into your soul. The wonder also, for example, of making expeditions through hidden forests and getting into that green sea that reminds us that the world is alive. I repeat, I think I should have been born in another time, that time when the ancient explorers were discovering a magical world and telling it in their chronicles. And I am convinced that there are other worlds, but they are in this thanks to my work. I' ve talked about this several times. I' ve been able to step on more than thirty countries and do different explorations around the world. Step on it five continents. There are times when I had quite a hard time on some of those expeditions, as it was, for example, once in Panama, in the darien jungles I was making a documentary and I was on the track of the treasure of the tacar crib, the ancient gold that was in the jungles

4:15 of Panama seven days, walking through the depths of the forest and I remember looking for that treasure a curious thing happened to me. I stepped where I shouldn' t have and then it bit me on the ankle, it bit my skin so that people get an idea of what it' s basically like, I stepped on some poop or something and they splashed me, jumped me like a thousand little fleas and crushed my ankle. Then, on that expedition we reached the old abandoned biological station of the Daria Forest, in a biological station that was to observe the eagle. It was abandoned because, unfortunately, the Colombian guerrilla group arrived there. And well, I had to put a mixture of water and ammonia to dry up all the bites I had on my ankle. Then I was practically lame and I went to practice one of those bad vices that I have to smoke under there of small roof that there was and then I remember that it was raining, but very little and suddenly I that at that time of my life, because I had several personal conflicts, suddenly I saw pass a huge morpho butterfly. Morbid butterflies are metallic blue and

5:46 have like two big eyes back in their wings and I remember that when I saw that, I said God exists in the world of things so beautiful that we cannot be pr I never found the treasure of Tacarcuna. I never found the Holy Grail, although I was in France following the footsteps that followed before, for example, two Nazi expeditions who searched for it in the castle of Montsegur. I found it by the Holy Grail. I didn' t find the Ark of the Covenant. In the subsoil of Jerusalem. I didn' t find any lost city either, but I discovered a magical world that changed my life and that' s what I owe to Mystery journalism that, thanks to him and to following all those stories that are real and have a real base, I was able to discover the world and lived in three worlds I lived in Europe, lived in the Arab world, lived in Latin America.

6:57 And that I have to thank to the mystery the phrase of paulluar. There are other worlds, but they are on this one. I assure you it ' s true. Before starting this program, I set myself up a little onions grandfather, as I say and as he is going on expeditions and trips and he will tell us then a well- known journalist, Miguel Blanco. It has been more than one hundred and forty- two countries. To be exact, he is going to tell us different expeditions that he also did following the path of mystery, because here in this house, in the group Prisa remembered how I managed, like sixteen years ago, I made a link from the desert in Algeria, right at the base of Mount Tafililet, with telephone satellites was in the middle of nowhere. Then I remember the excitement of those days when I made that link. I had been in the desert for seven days, sleeping on the ground without showering, so imagine how I had to smell good. But all that is left in nothing when you really realize that we have such a beautiful world and it' s too bad that we don ' t know how to appreciate it and that we don' t know how to take care of it. Those magical jungles I was in with shamans or.

8:22 I remember a sunrise, for example, on the Island of the Sun, on Lake Titicaca, in Bolivia, and I remember that sunrise as never before in my life. While a shaman performed a sun ritual, it seemed that the clouds and the very astro king listened to him. That' s what gave me the mystery and that' s why I like history, archaeology, and here we also do a lot of programs about it and what I can tell you in this introduction is that they travel as much as they can.

9:03 If you don' t have money to go to the end of the world, you don' t need to travel through your countries. Here, in Colombia, for example, we have a country that is the most beautiful on the planet, with corners full of history, archaeology, tradition, magic, mystery. But if you are listening in Peru, in Mexico, in Uruguay, in Argentina, in Chile, in Spain, you also have a thousand magical corners near where you live, continue to discover the world with the look of a child, surprise us not only with what we see, but diving into the stories that plunge us into a fantastic world, a fantastic world that is real. I repeat, you don' t need to find a treasure. I never found one, maybe I was close to one of them.

10:07 But the experience of walking through that mystery- filled world and knowing that we are inhabitants of a planet that is made by ancient and mysterious gods gave meaning to my life. Today I share those experiences with some of you who accompany me to the journeys of authorship that I make every year. How wonderful it is to be surprised by the magic of the pyramids in Egypt. How wonderful it is to go through vast deserts and see the sun set with the mantle of the horizon as a magical world to which we are a part.

10:54 Never, ever stop walking around. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, you want to follow me on social networks, on my twitter is arroba Juan ge Vallejo, Juan j Vallejo, on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery journalism. We put the facts on the table and you decide what' s behind it and what' s not. What would be the journey you have dreamed of, but you could not make me there in mystery snail What fate would you like the most. You know I' m doing copyright trips.

11:39 Well, I' ll be there in a few weeks. I' m leaving to make the way to Santiago. There' s no place left. From the 20th to the 30th of May. I' ll be in Turkey. I don' t know if you want a square if there is very little left and this next week, on the website three w trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com is going to appear already the advertising so that you can be the one who wants to accompany me to Egypt the second fortnight of the month of September of this year. A journey through the wonder of the country of the Pharaohs, putting us into the magic of the pyramids and sailing through a fabulous river that is the Nile boasted by some of the most enigmatic and beautiful temples in the world. An unforgettable journey. I repeat, this week will already be on the website three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com and we start without further delay. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how well you are, Juange a greeting for you for Richie controls and also, of course, a hug for the people who are listening to this right now on the podcast we posted, the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio to accompany us on a journey. Juanje an impressive journey through the experience, the story of two great adventurers like Miguel Blanco, our guest exception tonight and you, who have also traveled a little bit, no more, but well, Miguel beats me for coleaba has no longer been in one hundred and forty countries, they have not been in fifty, but already many we wish to have. John does the amount of experiences you

13:11 have had. And Juange, while listening to the interview, gave me nostalgia for the good, because I think it is a testimony of what journalism was a few decades ago of what it was like to go, to verify the facts, to investigate, to verify the sources in the place, an exercise that, sadly is more and more in disuse. Unfortunately, John and you are privileged to have been part of that generation that had the opportunity to do so. But the truth is our reason. I don' t know if you' ve come to discuss it with Miguel in the interview. I think so. But it really is that, that is journalism, by the way, to this day I have changed so much that it is pana after kids there counting a roll on YouTube, n n n n n s uasllones of followers already and that is the reality. Yes, it' s true, but they have a journalistic interest in traveling, getting to the places, gathering testimony, seeing that they went from soaking up the places nothing and some have money, but very much leftovers. If I had a million followers on YouTube, I' m sure every year I' d take a little trip, research and put it on the YouTube channel. But not these new generations, unfortunately, insults Roba Juan that valleys with who I am. Young people, unfortunately, do not have that I do not know that anxiety, that eagerness.

14:35 I recognize that I, when I got into the world of Mystery, was because I wanted to be Indian jones I couldn' t find it the Holy Grail or anything of it. But yes, if I managed to travel half the world, especially good, not all of North Africa, East, half of Latin America, I know it as the palm of my hand. Thanks to mystery journalism and people will say no, because that' s why they read about the pyramids and tell it. No. It is not the same as when you go there, that being there interviews archaeologists go and see the places and as much as they have read and such changes everything and they tell it in a different way. They find new data, tell the experience of the trip And well, it' s something tremendously rewarding. What do you mean, what a request to mystery would you like to make? Hey, hey, juange, I' m going to cheat. In this answer four are given. They have these times of war, because I think a forced journey to is Egypt, that is to say that you like less than you like the mystery Egypt. It is obliged because it is to make contact with one of the most long- standing, advanced and fascinating civilizations in the history of mankind. I mean, for me Egypt, as you once told me, that' s like Tuesday, like another planet, is the fourth Gitza dynastry and just as if you were on Tuesday, that is, if no one explains it exactly, I mean to be in contact, for me with one of the most fascinating civilizations at all levels, then travel, travel is plural or linked to the mystery Egypt and for those we love the Omni Roswells, you close eggs. I would like to have that possibility of going

16:10 there the mecca of euphology from the point of view that it is the place that was the protagonist of the Omni event, which aroused all that is the Omni conspiracy and the modern UFO era, which was Roswell. I would also love and nearby has a green table where there are all the drawings of the aliens, of the anasaphis, of the Anasazi Indians you have in the fifty - one. There' s Sedona' s vortex. It' s a trip I like, I' d like to plan for America exactly. I know him. I wasn' t. I think he' s forced and he' d be fascinating. A third more exotic, but I think it has taken on a lot of relevance and although at the time I investigated it and maybe I didn' t dimension it as it dimension today John that with a bread that in Indonesia, that with the new findings, the possibility that the bottom, that the base this pyramid that is Indonesia, is twenty- seven thousand years old happens is crazy and I would love him too. That ' s something else and about everything we talked about. With you, Juan, there' s a hidden camera in there that won' t be opened, so be the journalists of the people who have the privilege of being there at the time. Wow, I mean, that can change the story.

17:26 And of course that can be changed. That' s another thing. And the fourth man you' ve got intrigued. The fourth Juan je bueno has to do with my case, favorite Omni Rua Zimbabwe, that is, you know that I am associated with Rúa to investigate that house, but obsessed with that case I would love to talk to Emily tream Emily I wrote to you, you did not answer me, although I wrote you in English. Well, there' s my litri. Well, no, no, not in time to tell what if not, but well, basically Rua Zimbabwee, because how many children witnessed sixty- two, sixty- two children witnessing the landing of an omnicon beings And so and so, even there are characters of these children who receive messages and so on. A story, it' s a fascinating story, researched by one of the most important psychiatrists in the world, which is a total and absolutely true story. Then I' ll tell you where I want to go, where I want to go, then I' ll tell you, where I' d like to go. And because if we' re not going to eat the program and not start talking yet in our guest, who is Miguel Blanco, in short, for many years I haven' t seen that I didn' t talk to Miguel Blanco, who is a person who has a well- known podcast in Spain and Latin America, which is called Espacio en Blanco which is a podcast that has more than three decades already And well, because this man has been in one hundred and forty countries investigating cases of mystery. So, I think it' s an interview that you' re going to love and remember if you don' t have money to go to the end of the world. Near the corner of your house. There are wonderful places, but traveling that makes us better people

18:59 and understand the wonderful and magical world in which we live. And an interview with Miguel Blanco starts. Ah yes, the mystery is culture and the mystery makes us leave our comfort zone to show us that the world is a magical place, that human beings have always been attached to the mystery, to the sacred, to the divine, to the magical, because it is an intrinsic part of ourselves And if I have traveled a little bit through the world, I have a good friend who has traveled a lot more than I, searching for the mystery on the five continents, going through this planet and demonstrating and translating in his books and in his radio programs that the world in which we live is much more fabulous than we can imagine. And that gentleman is known friend, as I said, his name is Miguel Blanco. But I' m going to ask you the question that I ask everyone content for the first time in night mystery in snail ras who is Miguel Blanco for the whole audience night of mystery and snail radio, because he does not learn everything and a teacher of nothing. Someone who has visited one hundred and forty- two countries in the world and those words you have said have you copied them Why?

20:15 Because that' s what I would say right now about the mystery. Before him, sir, I told the Dolinares that mystery is the measure that gives us the possibilities that we have to find our limits in life, regardless of whether one' s own life is his own. I' m not, because I' m a seeker of that. I don' t try to be close to the mystery, but it happens to me like you when you open a door, you enter a mysterious place, there are 27 windows that communicate you to other places. So this is infinite and unsurpassable and it' s a pleasure to be with you again Radio Caracol. Thank you very much, Miguel Blanco. Okay, let' s see. Miguel Blanco runs a radio program called White Space. Very much of those who listen to this program listen to White Space and have asked me once why an interview with Miguel O.

21:06 I don' t know what. Such here is Miguel Blanco is the radio program of Mystery Dean in this in Spain. How many years you spent in plant, years, not decade, how many decades it has already taken, but out of the forty forty years and forward they have come out, because almost all Schicker, Lorenzo Enrique de Vicente you were only missing. You did, well, I was at your endemic stage. Eighty I was. I was, wasn' t I? Is it true? It' s true, isn' t it? Yes, yes, in tutal for my eighty I was. I' ve been a couple of times. Indeed, when you worked in the Prisa Group that snails also of the Prisa Group, the same one, it offered me to go to Mexico to do it program there. That' s good, you didn' t go? No, I didn' t? I' ve been drinking the subject a little bit.

21:48 I wanted to stay in Spain and I think Caracol has interesting and important people like you. Thank you very much, Michael and for us and for the night of mystery a pleasure to have here hears the first question. After that first forced question, let' s start getting into it. I do not know anyone in the world of mystery who has been in one hundred and forty- two countries. It' s barbaric. He has several books such as The Path of the Gods, chronicles of unusual phenomena. They' ve got tights, time lords. You have another world the traces of the ancient gods. Why you are attracted to this part of the mystery perhaps more than others. You' re feeling a little Indiana jones I don' t know.

22:30 I think he' s going to be substantial with me. You know, I wasn' t traveling here, traveling on a boat before I was five. I had already crossed Atlantic four or five times or my parents' fault visiting different countries. I think I was crazy about that and I said well, you have to go dancing. I remember when I was 13. I can do other things that no one knew. Yeah, yeah, sure, like no one' s listening to us for fourteen years. I think he had a selectivity test or o- test. I don' t know what it was. I ran away from a minor home and went to hitchhiker around, moving forward, I had very long hair. So, when I came home, you don' t see the fuss they made me. They made me cut my hair to get suspended. Yes, yes, shame, I had taken out hua honor plate. You know, actually, when I went to see the notes with my parents, I looked down, as I saw, it' s true that I' ll have suspended. They already made me cut my hair and then looking at the first one on the list and it' s like a trio of honor, but my parents' suckers, to say the least, made me cut my hair. That was the first time I ran away with eighteen I could travel. I went to Egypt, which was where I wanted India right away and the great journeys began.

23:42 Indeed, a lot of life, which is that, I repeat, a book has been planned and I don' t know if you keep doing it. Once in a while. You also travel as an author and take people there, now you don' t do it anymore. I didn' t leave that a long time ago. I think I was the first to make them, too. Surely the idea is that you, if not me I take very little preceempo, for I tell you, I must take thirty or forty zero people traveling through digitizing parts of the world and it was a pleasure to be able to open the doors. It was countries where I' d been, like you did in Egypt. No, you know a lot of people and you open a lot of doors. And now it' s a pleasure to be able to share that door opening with people. No, but there came a moment that I said, Mira, it' s over.

24:22 There' s Juan Gey to do it and other people who have signed up for the story. And now I retire, especially because I was entertained. I travel very fast, I am very entertaining to be waiting for people to explain them and now baby time to make the trips you need, that I have earrings much faster not and do what you want and what you like about tapas. Life is a stage. Yes, I am tremendously happy with the journeys of authorship leading people to Egypt, Israel, Jordan, because now on the road to Santiago Turkey. It is something that makes me very happy, because something that people saw the mystery and understand, as I said at the beginning, that the mystery is culture. Let' s start if you want. Let' s start with countries. Let' s start with America, which we are here in Latin America, a country that I see has marked you because you even dedicated a book to this is Mexico. What connection Miguel Blanco has with Mexico, What places have you been, what places in Mexico have surprised you the most. We have a lot of Mexican audiences here.

25:22 Specifically, Mexico is the second country that hears the most in mystery night. I have a bad memory, forgiveness for places around Mexico. I pretense the lineage of the Irish arch warriors. They started me with them between Tihuacán. We made a temascal that has been one of the most incredible experiences that I have experienced most aus with them and with them we dedicated ourselves to visiting all the areas where the Mayan had had temples from Mirador, which was a site then unknown Chichaza palenque not only in Mexico, but Guatemala. I also know, I can' t tell you or equalize Yes, because there was the guardian of the pyramids. He' s a giant guy who was called the gorilla. You imagine everything is imagined and when I am going to get to me, he said of this little Spaniard he will come here to steal the secrets of the guardians. It cost me a lot. My little brother colleagues from the Arch warriors said it' s not when you think it cost me a lot, convince him that I was going to learn submissively with absolute humility and until he accepted me, it cost a lot, but with him we have done rituals. We have entered the pyramid as where those mummies have been found, that privilege they give you to go to places where you normally do not visit people and then, with all of the warriors of the Alcoris.

26:49 We' ve done things in palenque, in Chichenitza, in lots of amazing places. In Mexico it is a country that I keep in my soul and in my heart, because I have had incredible experiences with you. Yes, Mexico is a country. Okay. Mexico is not a country to me, it is a continent. I mean, it' s so big and so diverse that it' s a continent. I was lucky enough to be there many times. The Mayan area is in Teotihuacán, there is the entire area of Veracruz, in Guerrero, in Guadalajara, and it is a real wonder and clear the subject. I don' t know what Miguel thinks, the people who make these kind of trips maybe the difference between Egypt and if you go to Mexico is that Egypt was three thousand years of history, but of the Egyptian world, as we knew it, there is nothing left. While in Latin America, if you leave, yes, the people who belong to the Mayan culture, they do give people who belong to the same ones that made those fabulous ruins and with which you can share culture and with whom you can share magic, as is the case, of that kind of rituals in which you started in Mexico, where they bring you a knowledge that I think makes you like closer to the stars and closer to the magic. Miguel.

28:06 Yes, sir Yes, gentlemen, an experience in Tepotlán has been remembered. One of the White Jaguar players, who is another of my little brothers, says an older gentleman who is the guardian of the place where quetzal was born which I did not know that the story that he knew was so similar to that of Jesus Christ Forgiveness, that he had even been born in a cave and was a very old man. About eighty- five years old, without warning or anything, we arrived in the area where he was fifteen days before he had been about to die eighty- five years and suddenly we found him there in the manifade that was in the garden digging some little things. He had recovered and we said what we wanted to do and we knew. He beat us up because of the mountain, the Cachahuan, which left us buckets.

28:52 Imagine it was very nice to see how he communicated with nature. There was not a tree, which was one of the grandmothers who had to ask permission to enter the area a pretty thick mountain and see the naivety I would say with what I did that. I' m not allowed. He took me to the well where they baptized that one and the guy had one like Hino' s guardian, gave you a name. Then you had to get naked and get into the pot and get baptized and then suddenly with your hand. He did so toward heaven and took your name and named me by the name of the God of the Hecatristian wind. I think something like that.

29:32 I' m sorry Mexicans don' t know how to say that in water. And yes and really, when I was then discovering the name, it had a lot to do with communication. He didn' t know me at all. Evidently, we are engaged in communication. Our voice is like the wind and then me on a personal level, without a guy who goes too fast doing things, in fact, to the people on the team, the program and the people who work with me. Follow my rhythm, because I ' m so ra it went up like the wind. What happens is that you can say this good thing, as long as they' re not too sounding. You have permission to give him the people on my team, who are a band of mamonas, are women who made calls to wind media.

30:17 They call me a blizzard friar, because I' m too fast and I ' m like a blizzard. But well, that force of the wind that makes you tremendously traveler, notice that when you were commenting on this of a eighty- five- year- old man in Mexico who puts you in a forest and tells you those secrets, he remembered an anecdote that happened to me filming a documentary for Spanish television. So many years ago we interviewed Catemaco' s son- in- law. The jungle of Ancillaga is in the tematic mouth, but man and I think I know him because they are catemaco. I think of course it was a Mr Te. I' m talking about the year two thousand four. He was eighty- four years old and led us through the jungle that led us all up to the age of eighty- four, who walked more than us and taught us the secrets of plants and how to do it with some respect and not just that. He was very angry because he said he was sick of gringos coming in, that he thought they worked safe for pharmaceuticals and others to steal the secrets of the jungle when he said they had to be, because for everyone and that it didn' t cost money. It was simply knowledge, without knowing the plants and the different remedies, and simply going to look for them, going to look for them with respect and sensibly, with respect for the ancestral knowers who are in those places. And then, well, I keep that anecdote very fondly.

31:40 You wanted to comment. Miguel did want to tell you that, besides, this man is curious eighty- five years. When we saw him, not because he believed him to be trembling weak when he began to walk through the mountain and acquired that role as a teacher, said Guau. This guy kills us also happened to see the companion of the lord of Pacal opportunity for the groin or to be able to enter into palenque there was another of the guardians. Thanks to the director of the center he gave us permission to enter and it has been one of the experiences. It was closed only to the investigators and meeting with that laí- papa astronaut was an absolutely incredible experience. It happened to me also in Nayarit I am remembered in places already in Mexico.

32:25 Now they told me there was an island that was Mastitlan. I think it was called a place where the two Mexicans left. They spent forty years, like the Jewish people on pilgrimage until they arrived in Mexico and lived this sign to Tenochitlán, seeing that sign of the eagle, eating a snake and it was the place where they had to settle their culture. Mexico is an absolutely portentous country, where if you open the semium doors, meet the righteous people who teach you the things of their own hand. And it' s quite an adventure Mexico really in is a country, it' s a continent, it' s a tenteca wonder. And this I was commenting Miguel Blanco, that I find curious the grasshoppers, the people who come to see the herbs and so that we have a pharmacopoeia in the jungle tremendous and that anecdote that I told about the jungle of Nancillaga, because it is very curious, because the lord as I said, was eighty- four years old and walked through the jungle better that tone carried fixia and the guy said it is true that gringos come and I tell them about the herbs if they put them in bags and so full here the gringos and come with bags. I do not listen to them and I say, therefore, to pharmaceuticals and sheaths. But sure, sure enough, then, as if they abused me for not knowing the good faith, these kind of people are worth not looking for anything, they

34:00 didn' t charge us a weight, nothing, I mean, they did it just by teaching the jungle. Seen when Michael and You were commenting on that, John made the experiences that you were not, for with these sages, with these connoisseurs of those places, I always remember that phrase that You say that one thing is knowledge and another is science. So, clearly, these people by knowledge, by being in contact with that territory, knowing, interpreting the symbols of the terrain, of nature, of the trees, of everything, that is, that is unmatched. It' s a double cyclopae othello and that doesn' t hurt. It' s just that I was remembering one of those who came over from that shooting team Fernando. Well, it' s kind of irregular in the stomach. I mean, I wouldn ' t need anything for the stomach. No, well, if I want I' m from a piece of this crust that purges you and the guy.

34:49 Ah, well, now they' re afraid, well, he' s been pooping all night. He didn' t come out of the restroom that we couldn' t laugh at, but it worked. He was up all night, but since he was perfect for you, he' s done everything you had. I did, but it was funny. I mean, it' s like nothing, this old man gives me what you' re gonna freak him out. I mean, the knowledge these people have, it ' s brutal. No, and that' s what you' re taking. That kind of anecdotes when you' re on the edge of the world. We were talking about the wonders of Mexico with Miguel Blanco, not only of the places where the yerbaterers teach us the mysteries of the jungle and the power of plants, but also of magical places, as is, for example, in the city of palenque the tomb of King Pacal, on whose slab is seen a man who apparently what he is doing is flying in an artifact in ancient times. And the interview with Miguel Blanco continues ah Yes, yes, people, simple, it' s super nice and it' s a tremendously magical country. You were talking about that something You know, let me get you a little something. Yeah, sure, let me have a position.

36:05 The other day, a teacher told me there are brilliant people who are wearing suits. They' ve studied careers, they' re in big positions, they' re in multi- professionals, and there' s bright people. They need not have to have studies, but they illuminate your soul when you are with them. Those kind of people that you and I have surely found our adventures for the world and blessed be. Yes, yes, it ' s true, especially in Latin America. It' s like, I don' t know, it' s like a real surprise. No, this continent gives you a surprise at every corner and if you go with an open mind and with simplicity, the clean soul and the clean soul here in Latin America, wonderful things happen to you. Well, look at that.

36:46 I' ve been living here for nine and a half years now, no more and no less, if from time to time I arrive and, well, another stage, another stage of life. Hey, you were telling me about the sick king' s salusa that everybody knows her, even the people that I' m going to be able to describe basically. There you see the pacal king who seems to be moving his hands and feet in a kind of apparatus that now further back, would even have what would be the escape of a kind of propulsion or something even in the nose and mouth, would carry what would seem something that would allow him to breathe. Really. Mexican anthropologists say that it has a symbolic explanation, in symbology, that it represents ceiba and that it passes from one world to another. But I, that guy I see and he looks like he' s flying and they tell me what I do with weirdo symbology. Is what Miguel Blanco thinks of the famous slab of the king Pacific is symbolology is to the king? I was also given that explanation you know, but the funny thing is that, behind the story of the ry pakalch one, I was told it was an incredibly tall, very strange guy who changed the way of life. I am, it ' s a genre of people who are in that place and who suddenly disappeared.

38:01 They say though the grave was found there, but they say that well, I wasn' t very sure whether it was really or not. What is true is that he was a pretty big guy and that he changed the way of life of the people around him. Like many of the apostles from heaven who in different parts of the world have done the same work. Indeed, as if we leave the Andean world, we have the god Tunupa and we have Viracocha and they are that sort of messengers of the Cuculcan gods that tancoal, which is basically the same thing, and it is something and it is fascinating not to go finding that trail of that very possible visit from the point of view, Yes they are visits of beings from other worlds thousands of years ago to influence our culture. I' m convinced of them. You know I also convinced that the gods were here, they were different parts of the planet, they left their bones, they taught people certain things and they left something that we call the anthropolos, the graza mother. It is very curious what has happened to you and on the same stones that are in the temple of the sphinx in Egypt, there is in Machu Picchu, beech in Cuzco, beech in different parts of Mexico. I have seen them in Asia, seen them in India, seen them in Turkey, in a certain way of building them as a certain measure that coincides with all parts of the world

39:34 and that many places resemble pyramids. Who did that. We are anthroposed we say that there was a rafa mother. The flood came ten thousand years before Christ, erasing all the apparent traces of that civilization. But there' s still remains, and those remains tell us about visitors from upstairs. I have convinced them, and the funny thing is that in all the traditions that came out of Jesus, Jehovah John was going to say, all of them promised to come back. I' m waiting for them to arrive. I wish that would happen one day when you were commenting on that. Indeed, about twelve thousand years ago, on the thousandth day before Christ. That' s when the last glaciation ends. And what happens is that the sea level worldwide rises one hundred and twenty- five meters and there are entire areas that disappear.

40:24 There was a great culture of humanity, mother of humanity, as Miguel Blanco is saying. And that would explain, then, the fact that there are pyramids in the Canary Islands, that there are pyramids in Mexico, that there are pyramids in Peru, that there are pyramids in Egypt, that there are pyramids in Iraq' s asset in China. So, of course this weird. Weird, at least we' re going to keep telling you about the pyramids of the Canary Islands. You' ve never seen them tell me. The Canary Islands are never sending the pyramids in Weimar. You should arrange a trip to get there. I was urgently on my plain Bettancour, who was a scholar of all that and tells me the story of abíos pyramids.

41:14 All of a sudden we' re going to one night over there and I was freaked out. It was going to be bad. I hadn' t been. The lagoon experts said it was a pile of stones that farmers made to grow. But a pile of stones that are very similar to the pyramids in Peru, which are exactly oriented towards certain points that as I know, they pulled something out of there toorghe Jedar came and pulled out some mummies and some things. But the funny thing about all that is, long before they got to Heyerder, I got in touch with the pyramid owner and wanted to sell it to me. You know how much, by the way, for a hundred thousand pesetas that are right now, how many are a hundred thousand pesetas, a hundred euros, six zero euros, six zero. Although euros is one million, six thousand six zero euros, yes, but it is one million. Not good. Well, imagine a thousand euros, six thousand euros. Fron 100 thousand presents zero, worth six percent 100 thousand euros.

42:15 He wanted to sell it to me. I started to think, I say Pa, what I want this now not to the mesmo mesifico arrives everything, Gerdard tower arrives and buys it for ten million pesetas cir for good a hundred times more what the peasant asked me did not say very well and did business of my life if I had bought it, but well, I could not have attended it. And they have set up a theme park of this part of the life of Tor Hegedal of those expeditions that he has made of Easter Island and, above all, they have preserved the pyramids. Not only are there pyramids there Entrenifie, but there are pyramids on the island of La Palma and in other places on the island of Tenerife, and it is an absolutely amazing experience to see those pyramids there. If not I' m convinced rum something from there. They didn' t tell you anything about what they pulled out, but security guard there was that he was a colleague before they made him a natural park, because theme. Mático said they' ve taken several boxes and they' ve taken them out of here. Yes, I would like to know what they have taken to R Thatlo is proof that, if they did, the natives of the Canary Islands were in contact with that mother race, because they did so with the same measures and, above all, very well oriented to different parts of the sky so that people would be with the idea of those pyramids of Wimar, in which I was not in are stair pyramids, which are made with blocks of stone, which are volcanic, because, indeed, archaeologists, many that the Spaniards said no, that is, that the peasants stacked the stones like this in the eighteenth century to cultivate things. I also didn' t believe myself and Toral Yardar arrived because I

43:49 was at the lecture he gave in Madrid, my mother that almost twenty- five years ago came to Toralla Radin and said it is impossible because if you look well at the stones, the stones, besides you are put in the form of asking for the midal, then the saint finished off from outside to make it more perfect. In other words, they have size, in addition to being stacked, that a scandal was made in Spain and now day is a theme park because in the end the Spanish archaeology I think never had interest. That' s why I have no idea who the theme park will be now, because it' s already passed away years ago. It' s from the Fred Olsen shipping company, which was kind of the one who helped Otor heyerdal do all that kind of stuff. The shipping company bought it and they' re doing it. It is a must for people who like the mystery and, above all, take a walk around Teneriffe which is full of mysteries and there is the ravine of Badajoz, the pyramids of Weimar. There are lots of places where very mysterious things happen. The beach of La Tejita, where it has mated a video, the first Ovni the skill tip of when I had an incredible experience with a previous appointment that appeared a bicharraco that left us Enrique de Vicente and fifty other people that we met there hallucinated and that then propelled to make the biggest meeting that has been made in the history of the radio, forty zero people in the teide for an original experience of communication and that, fortunately, did not appear. What we live through is Vidalgo' s tip. In case he shows up, I' m dying of the backup. What did you see? He left us Anjos', I mean, you were before that famous meeting where there was a cone.

45:21 It is unique alert in forty zero people in Tenerife, which is what happens to you with Enrique de Vicente, who has also been here on mystery night like a couple of months ago. I interviewed him. There are places like the ravine of Badajoz and in Tenerife, which are very famous for sightings of Omni and some beings of light, which is what happened to you Miguel how it was fifty first the bank below gave Sometimes I feel a little sorry that when we divulge certain places, like it was the badajot ravine that we divulged in the white station at the end becomes a center of peregriation, of people who do not go with all the disposition that should have and respect. I ' m going to the point of life exactly, but suddenly I' m on the show. I get production people and they say look at me.

46:04 We got those three different messages for you to pass on. But it' s very curious because the three messages from three groups that theoretically connected with extraterrestrial beings said the same thing. They were all from the Peninsula, which they had no idea where. And another was from the Canary Islands, and the message read 23 April, 22 hours Punta del Hidalgo. I was very struck by the coincidence. I didn' t believe it, obviously, but by chance, along with Enrique and Vicente, I had to go give lectures on those dates and on April I told him on April 23rd. But where I said we go even if it was a place I already knew that place, a place where a lot of weird things happened. We told no one.

46:47 We were three people in the car, we arrived there to place you a rocky beach of stones, two mountains opposite that called it the two brothers. I think very wild on the beach and suddenly it starts to reach people, but lots of people and up to fifty people with tello and we asked him how I got here, dis what you do here not in a place. I' m gonna go through something and we' re here. I wasn ' t quiet because I didn' t want my voice recognized, no, but, well, when we started talking and you already saw us getting rich, no, but if the one on the radio is here, I don ' t know how many, I don' t know what I said. Well, well, the heat was covered nine and a half of the night every government. Suddenly lightning starts coming from the two mountains that there were and the canaries that are very novel, like me leaving and being there and saying no, uncle is that is a storm that we were not seeing and are lightning from behind the storm. But there was a cop carrying a super giant flashlight and starting to signal those lightnings three and two and the rapper answering one and four. And the real thing I was saying is this isn' t lightning. No, all of a sudden, the Caesarbon lightnings and at ten to five. The sky opened, it was all full of clouds. Ten in points Behind that mountain rises a bicharraco like the sun. When it dawns it gets five hundred meters from the coast of us on the line of the sea, swinging. I was wearing if you saw Enrique, going crazy hugging in there, iller the truth, I was taking him off my back.

48:17 Let me Henry, let me I had a camera target TV with a target shot of 300 and I saw niquily that inside that sphere that had a lot of light, there were things that were moving inside and around. I time download one reel of thirty- six load another. I took seventy- two photographs and it was there for eight or ten minutes babbling and suddenly it got into the water. Get in the water. He provoked a ball that had never come to us, which was something physical. I had to leave because Enrique started the show. He stayed with the rest of the people. There were no mobile phones then, but they found me the next day that that sphere had gone out from under the sea. He got back on the sea line and stuck a stampede up an incredible speed. Don' t see how crazy I was in the richo with that story, of course, there' s more waiting for you I, Sandwichez, have a dream. Very clear, very clear, very clear. I don' t know if the movie Encuentros in the third phase had already emerged, or I don' t remember it, but I saw that we had to make in the Teide a montage with lights and sound and call people to go or. That same day.

49:29 In the morning I went with Enrique to the area and it was full. Henry didn' t go in the morning with me, but I wanted to see what had happened there by day and suddenly rco. There were navy ships, the helicopter flying over all that and I said milks here something weird happened. In the afternoon I opened with the comrades at noon I went to the Mira station. I' d like to do this at the Teide and I was told by the comrades is impossible. It' s Calino National Park Monoco wanted to do a model parade. He' s not gonna handle you. Impossible, but I was still with the idea. In the afternoon he had an interview with the civil governor of Tenerife. I tell him and the God goes crazy either as I was said Adelandre Miguel wow and we set the date for the twenty- first day of June in the Teide. I was a month earlier. What a year, eighty- nine, sixty- nine, eighty- nine. I was a month earlier preparing with the buses to get where we were going to put the field hospitals, an incredible plan. The day' s not coming. We thought it was going to be five zero people in the park at five o' clock in the afternoon and I got a call from the General of the Civil Guard. Miguel says where you are.

50:45 I mean the place. You' re not gonna be able to get up there by helicopter Wow. Seven o' clock in the afternoon. We were beginning to say that people didn' t come up anymore. When I was going with a helicopter, the whole road collapsed, the ships coming from different parts of the different islands. All complete, because we were talking about it on television and on the show and it was an absolutely incredible call. I was told that there were people coming from Germany, from the North, from Europe, from the Peninsula, obviously, and from all the islands they had come to have i came up. We started to say that people didn ' t go up because there was more room and I asked the general of the terminal and when people went up, they had thirteen zero cars and I don' t know how many eggs. He told me and says there are more than forty zero people here. At that moment I began to pray everything I knew, because if that sphere that we saw on the beach came to appear there, it would have been incredible, because I told you more, there were people who came in trucks and I approached them and asked them that he never said it was an alien contact, but an original communication experience.

51:45 That' s how we announced it. I was asking the people here you came in wheelchairs in trucks. Imagine not being covered by extraterrestrials, whether they don' t happen, but the one we' ve messed up started the experience. There were several lights in the t that I prayed everything that the rosary knew, everything that Father Master knew, everything, so that those things that we had seen did not really appear. And well, it was an amazing experience. Few things were seen, but it has been the most important call that has been made the history of the radio with forty zero people left in the park. Excuse me, we were afraid that they would leave everything completely clean and that the people of the park told me, Miguel, whenever you want to celebrate again hear, what do you think then and I skip the script a little bit. Well here' s this program that scripts aren ' t there, Miguel, what do you think then? What' s going on with mystery journalism, because look at what you' ve messed up forty- zero people looking up into the sky, I think it' s the most beautiful thing in the world. All of a sudden, forget where we are in this technified world and so it' s a slam and sit and look at the stars, like our grandparents did and how our nstre did And why do you think mystery journalism has evolved, so these things don' t happen anymore and they don' t look. And it' s like people live in each other' s bubble and connect because of this YouTube thing or something or I don' t know what, but things like that don ' t happen anymore, why you think this has changed so much. Miguel ' s a pain. Race journalists like You, who were going to go,

53:15 have been lost, including me to the places and that we ran and that on many occasions I, during many of my travels, was born not even photographs. I said that I wanted to keep it in mind and especially in my heart, that I did not need to show anyone that I had been with the Piaros in the Amazon or with guacha a mano. Then the technology came up and it had to be told. No, but it' s a shame. I am, I am proud of the blank space, because thanks to the blank space, a new wave of journalists has emerged. Just as there are political journalists who engage in fashion or sports. There is a quarry of mystery journalists, some of whom give few, who are reporters and who come up with them. Others, as you say now, already sit at home, go on YouTube, take out four videos and make a show they have. I don' t know how many thousand visitors have missed that a bit and it' s a shame, no less or bad, that there are still people like you including me and the stoneman and others who walk. That' s where the interviews are cured, they' re going to see the witness, they' re asking him, and they' re bringing up important issues, good thing, but we' re in a piece of sintio. I think yes, it' s a shame, because the worst thing is that I feel exactly the same as you is like going to live and feel the mystery, taking a backpack and a camera and saying come in for miles to see that it comes out and comes out. That' s getting less and less, because the whole generation that are now emerging from

54:46 youtuber and such neither travel, nor live the mystery, nor lenne nor anything at all, that is, God, forgive me, but that' s the reality. I, on that trip to Zamora we have that made for Manzamora in a theater, not that last week, not that even the bishop of Zamora has gone. Imagine the bishop of Zamora in a blank space, in a program of mystery. How good or were there some youtuber not and I referred to some uncle cases where the faces of seeing them came from? What' s that? The stones are coming. But, Uncle You, what do you go through life and have a channel where you have it.

55:27 I don' t know how many thousand followers, where you get the information, where you get those wonderful videos that most of them, God forgive me. They' re either lies or they' re a mons tar of liking things. But this is what we' re about. No, but, well, unfortunately, it seems he did what we' re going to do. But I hope that one day you realize that reality is not on those screens, but that you have to open your eyes and, like you say, put on your boots, walk your eyes to see and discover the world and the mystery that is there. Yeah, sure, and that' s what makes us human. Yeah, plus, you get involved in the magic. Not this stuff about being locked up and not doing anyone else' s shit. But that' s all I see today and, unfortunately, already the world of magazines and everything else is migrating to YouTube and Youtuber and we ' re left four kids who make radio shows and that' s it.

56:19 This is the reality. But good for everyone on the radio who does this, thank God, we' re doing pretty well. Hey, we' re gonna keep walking Latin America good. What do you think of this reflection by Miguel Blanco and this other onion flight that I know. But it' s true, journalism is becoming more and more sad. I mean, no one confirms what' s going on, no news, no stories. He doesn' t want to see things that aren' t mystery that this week of a brutal fake. Besides, but it' s not over. I mean, it' s all YouTube and blah blah and he puts a kid in there and he' s got that, yeah, millions of hits and followers and he' s doing great. But not a question is to take a notebook and take note and interview people talk to human beings, well and then try to interview them that they don' t want either. Or they live in a bubble, man, I' m sorry about that. I mean, I don' t understand the world, or I' ve become a grumpy old man, because it' s also possible that I don' t really understand the world, I mean I can' t understand it, man, they' re from the islands of thought that stay in a monk where these people live, in their bubbles, that very respectable the work they do, but always to me that they talk about this kind of phenomena and people that make communicative products without being journalists. Of course, it' s not that I don' t need to have the mega studios to make content on YouTube, but I do try to do it with a certain rigor and professionalism. I think it' s important and a professor who had at the

57:49 University of Juan ge told me that the big difference between journalists was the context you gave to people who consumed the journalistic product you made. And that and that I think that that reflection that you do is very valid, Juange, because I see that mainly in a network that Stiktok that, unfortunately, because lately I have consumed it more often, because of the content that has been related to my professional work in this network. And I see that specifically, in this space and good and also in others, information focuses a lot on the initial impact without giving a context, without even giving a source, which I think is something primordial in journalism. Journalism is a source and information is very superficial. Also people who consume the content and contrast it. Everything stays that way. I mean. Also, if I' m going to tell a great truth exactly hidden beyond the ice walls of Antarctica, it gets away there freaking amazing wow, so exactly I mean, the world is stupidizing itself to an absurd level. Or then try to talk to one of these, Youtuber, that many have millions of followers and talk to him. He' s good to talk to you about how Miguel Blanco used to say, he starts talking about cases and stories. They have an idea, they haven' t read a book, nothing. It' s brutal and they' re razing. It' s terrible. This communication phenomenon is terrible. I don

59:22 ' t know if three zero or four zero, but that the degradation of the information is in place, that is, it' s how the information is degrading and so on, and how they are creating more and more groups and these kind of characters or either pretty faces or people who speak well and well, but who have no soul. Uncle for me they have no soul. I' m not very sorry. I mean, I had a million followers and I' d earn$ 300, 000 a year. We hit some expeditions and some trips and you would tell me ARIE, please, Rua, Zimbabwe and I was doing the program right now in the temples of Ancor in Campolla. Have it very clear is worth to understand the kemery culture how they were able, for example, to sleep the monsoons more than a thousand years ago, which no one can explain I is to be a direct ingo, a couple also to do effectively, not and do things like that, but do not man these kinds of people, that is to say forget and before the pause you judge a danger that is in the budding. When artificial intelligence is more refined and that content, they do it only ias and not even a componti I prefer the bunch of assholes that there are you I tell you you know yes, I prefer artificial intelligence, i mean, at least I know it' s a machine, but these ones that have no soul and are human don' t bother me. Maximum man is that he' s freaking out. I mean, freaking out. Anyway, and we were

1:00:58 talking to Miguel Blanco about the degradation of journalism and the truth that I totally and absolutely agree with him. They haven' t gotten me into a world where the news is already directly on the web and what happened in reality, people don' t give a shit and it' s that sad who actually here we' re going to follow four onboard flights doing other kinds of things. Anyway, I hope this lasts a long time. Well, gentlemen, and the interview with Miguel Blanco continues ah I do know that there is an experience that you' ve counted seven million times that it' s hyperminal, but it' s my turn to tell you seven million a good one. I know you' ve been in touch with the Santeria at such a point and this he never publicly told. I went to guanabacoa in Cuba, Cuba, from the Cot of Santería. Thanks to Miguel Blanco. I went to Cuba. Miguel Blanco passed me his contact I am speaking Miguel Juraría of the year two thousand two. I' ve lost track of time or my best man. That was water to navacoa I freaked him out. I loved it.

1:02:14 I don' t remember what that gentleman you recommended was like. I don' t remember his name. He hasn' t left yet, yes, godfather, I didn' t know. Well, he threw out my divers, which are snails, he read me the future. He told me a number of things. It was a wonderful experience. I was in a line there of people and everyone was going to ask them their stories, because he also did healing and I understood the Santeria in that place. Then I was with a pallet, too. That was trinity. That' s what it' s like. You also recommend her yes, yes, yes, there smoking her wall and reading me in her pods And so that was my approach to Santeria. I was twice in Cuba and thanks to the contacts that Miguel Blanco passed me, because I could live that, that magic between the African and the European, the indigenous, that amazing mixture. But it is that you, besides going to Cuba and living those kinds of things that thanks to your contacts, I was able to live them, I was in a country that today is practically impossible to go, because insecurity is absurd, that is Haiti, there are types of grace. It is a country that has fallen what they call the Fourth World, that is, total chaos, dominated by criminal gangs, where the power of the government army is virtually null and void. And it' s a shame because people say it' s a wonderful country. How was your experience in Haiti and how it gives you the

1:03:45 point of direit to investigate there, which also the dangerous. Of course I ' ll leave you whatever you want to count as soon as you do. I' ll tell you about Cuba first. I am that with the fart the first time as in the caravayal that we accompanied me made of my travels, the godfather throws what I think to you records me and it is a series of things, that tremendous things. I' m not leaving. I told him human, he has no idea my son day at all. At six months, exactly what he said to me begins to happen to me. I got on a plane and I went looking over there. I told Godfather, you' ve got me to pacify with me. Whatever you want started me. You know there' s a series of initiations, and that' s what allowed me to open the way to other Caribbean azo religions, like the Budu. I was going to say a television series in the Amazon, in Mexico, in a television series and we had contacts in Haiti with a member of the Spanish embassy who was trying to contact us with the second most important Brujo bocor on the island. Memories. I think we' d get to the Amazon the whole world' s equi or dust. We got to the embassy and they phoned that glentur guy Never was called or called and time started to tell me on the phone also things that I drew, things from my life mostly past, that shocked me a lot as if I knew me

1:05:16 there. Evidently, my contact at the embassy had not told anything about me and this guy did not recognize anything and he was commissioned from the embassy that it was an infinite honor for him to accompany me the next day to seek temples of Budu where they performed authentic Budu rituals. I was hoping to meet you. The people of the team left her resting because we came very tired and from behind that we had an interview with the newly appointed President of Haiti, a country like you say tremendously dangerous and I go to the cost that I had rented to see this type and I thought a spiritual guy and he presents me a guy with greedy chains, telling good things missing the tooth in the mouth to appear a pirate. Every once in a while Miguel was telling me he wants to see a witch with three feet high ceilings. I was saying to you we' re going to what we' re going to.

1:06:14 You want to see a devil and I didn' t want him at all. They weren' t with him for like six hours in different places and in one place we connected with what we wanted to record. Suddenly, at a time when he says we' re going to see my cousins, he made me want to buy a bottle of rum and candles that took us fat and didn' t have to pay him. That went wrong to get me money. I had to buy it himself and suddenly we came to an absolutely scary place, which I remember we had to wait for some sort of waiting room and suddenly the door opened and came out of a couple of colored people I looked at the lady' s face I was carrying a tremendous shock letter.

1:06:54 Shall we go into a room a little more? Now I' ll explain to you why we' re going into a room a little bit more? Great? It was all filled with baby paintings, which are Wudu' s paintings. And in the middle of the room was what I call a shoebox, but large, about a meter fifty high, two meters long and a meter and a half wide. And they tell me here that where you ' re going to see the devil, I say milk and leave me up there you can go inside the box. I was touching to see what was there and there were a lot of blood stains, there were several human skulls, there were scissors, there were tarot letters He told me here where you ' re going to see a session that you' ve never seen. He told me gele closed and they started with a ceremony to sing in I believe to move a maraca and, suddenly, in a finished moment inside he starts to hear a loud voice and skated his r and I say this is very rare. I thought this was a trick. There' s a hose I haven' t seen and out there and he' s trying to fool me.

1:08:01 No. The ceremony was very long, a lot determined, without several voices inside saying the devils are fighting and Glin took a knife, put it on top of the box and calmed down. I said jo how weird all this is, but at a certain point they told me what the bottle of rum you brought and the candles is an offering you' re going to make to the devil. Not because but be careful, because you have to go down the cortinita that there was and when you feel that something grabs it will let go, because the devil is so strong that he can rip your hand out. You said this guy' s kidding me. No, but they evidently lifted the curtain a little bit. I put the bottle of rum and something from inside. He took it very hard and so with the candles.

1:08:46 I didn' t say there' s something inside. Previously there was nothing. No, and it was funny because they started talking about that devil. He started talking in creol with the people who were there and as if he saw me from inside and if he was who he was, and they told him the charge that I had inside the Santería, saying, the permission because I have to be ritual issues of that Cuban enteria. Yes, and they told him that Miguel, the white boy who came to see you from Spain, and then the guy started, changed and he started talking in French and then in Spanish. No one you' re catching Lucas' s bella anybody amazing and told me little boy, what do you want. You want to kill your wife. I' m not married, I didn' t see what was going on. I only heard one voice. You have some enemies and we prepare him to kill him. No. No, I was just saying I came to see you. I want to see you the black ones that were with me out of the box. You can' t see that it' s very dangerous, but I insisted, insisted on insisting and the guy told me things about my life that left me absolutely amazed, from the past, that were true and from the future. He said you' re going to make a serious lung disease. You' re going to be about to take you to death and you' re going to lose the house, you' re going to lose the company, etcetera. I didn' t believe anything, but the time came when I wanted to see him so much that they put in front of us and the box a salt barrier and raised the curtain and in the background appeared a guy of one meter twenty of height more or less small, white, very white, very white, very old,

1:10:18 with his eyes injected in blood and with a knob of a chin match called he put himself to the edge of the box and raised his hand, extended his hand towards me. I didn' t want to touch him, but I got hit. You can' t touch him and I' ve been watching him. How I' m looking at you now in the Chamber. With my eyes coming out of the bitarra area, they closed the box. The ritual ended and they said goodbye and quickly lifted the curtain and there was nothing, There was not even the rum that I had given you notice. I told Gelin I was offered to record the ritual of my newborn sacrifice or sixty dollars for sixty dollars, which can be. Obviously, we didn ' t want to do that. I offered him$ 3, 000 to record to the devil that for them it was timely a fortuno and with the plan that they carried to draw money from all sides, it was divisible that they looked at each other. I said good. Looks like we asked the devil. Tomorrow we tell you something the next day that we had met with him to keep recording things from Google. The devil said he didn' t want to record and I couldn' t do it. On that trip I have been six times more in Haiti, trying six times, because the toughest places, the most tremendous with people of color who went down the street and called you white. Like here in Europe, it is in the derogatory term that weighed a blackie. You don' t tell him there' s no pleasure and I called himself white and they looked at you in a way that you had to pass your head playing my life and I never got until the

1:11:50 last trip. I went there, because ah he won' t forgive. Last trip. I was like on the job. I don' t know if it was the same place, but right away, you were gonna realize that Lend never wanted to take me back to that place. He agreed after much to insist on it with Manuel Carrayal and we realized that well, the paraphernaria was similar, but that there was a trick in that experience, which was not at all similar. It resembled a little, but not a similar argada. What I had was a box too and there was a curtain that divided the box. Then I realized I saw it from the outside, that it was much longer what I saw from outside the box, what was seen from inside. They did the parupe and when theorically that devil appeared, it was not at all what I said I saw is very dangerous. You can ' t see it. We wanted to see him and a naked black man with a gigantic manly limb appeared. That called us all the theory and crawling, but it had nothing to do with that devil I' d seen before.

1:12:57 Interestingly, after that trip, I don' t know the time six trips after Haiti, I go back to Spain and everything that the devil had prophesied to me happens to me. Previously I had a serious illness that had seventeen days between life and death. One of the doctors listening to the program said Miguel where he' s been. We don' t know what you got. They thought it was superculosis AIDS, a cancer. In the end they knew it under seventeen days, I lost the company, I lost the house I had as that devil had said. For me it is proof that that experience that YouTube in the devil had been something true. How strong I mean. I believe that with the Santeria and you have lived it in Cuba and especially in Haiti, with the Budú, I believe that they open doors to the unknown and, moreover, that in religion it is African American.

1:13:49 There is a part of light and a part of shadows, and those who cultivate that part of shadow, because they come to do things that I cannot understand, but that are there exactly. There' s no need for me. Precisely this Saturday I will do a program about Budú with Vicente Romero, that race journalist who has been several times in Haiti, Haiti. We' re going to do a program dedicated to Haiti and the Budu. There is no mistake in the Afro- Caribbean religions and the Budu, which is a religion with black magic and with all that strange stuff that is done that has nothing to do with religion. To me, when they talk about Budu and say the little doll, it has nothing to do with it. Budui and Afro- Caribbean religions are part of the oldest religions of right humanity and have nothing to do with magic. Here too we Christians, Catholics, do magic and do black magic some of them, and it has nothing to do with our religion. Let that be very clear. Yes, of course, we will see all the African American religions, the umbanda, the bat that are Brazilian, the Santería that is Cuban, the Budo, that sung, the piano, the candomblé, the cult of Santa María Lionza in Venezuela, are religions Venezuela that there are. That' s why there are dark people in those religions. Look, I know the example I set. There were criminals in the Vatican. That doesn' t mean that all potatoes are killers or that priests kill people is worth it. In the Vatican you had to put yourself on and there were good people and this is exactly the same. Then all my respects to the people who practice Buddha Santería any African- American religion,

1:15:24 and all my repulses people who use that like any other belief to do wrong to others. I think I do share it with you. Yes, sir, I subscribe to your words. Indeed, listen you have to ask for that experience that I know is super viral yours and such, but if I don' t sleep tonight hey we' re going to change. Yes, of course you say I have to ask Miguel. Yes or yes, of course, we' re going to radically change a country. I' m going to ask you about a country I haven' t been to and that I really want to know and that I know that you' ve reflected in your book and it' s India, because we' ve talked about darkness. Let' s go to the light, let' s go to India, to that Ganges river, to that benare where the corpses transmute and go to heaven and their ashes go to the Gange and a spirituality from which Buddhism defends. What have been your experience, your experiences in India, Miguel, I have had many last ones, because they are a country I have visited on several occasions. I am not going to tell you, because they have been very good in the sense that I said where spirituality is. There are many people who happen to him, who happen to that shock that they get there and they don' t find the spirituality that we see in the books, in the documentaries, which is very different. The trip landed I don' t know if it was in Deli or Bombay. I think it was deli. I spent three days and the fifth day I say I'

1:16:57 m leaving here on a plane and I' m going anywhere I couldn' t stand. Those you know why, because the people' s version for everything, yes, I was looking a little like those hippies travelers who were looking for spirituality to people, who avoided yoga and health. What I found dead was down the street that didn' t pick up dirt, a tremendous mogollón and I told you I said I went to a station, I didn ' t have the money to be able to change the flight. I took a train that took me to Madras and it' s called now and there I found I was looking for the trail of some great mice, as I calmed down a bit and already reconciled with India and had translated the works of Hidu Chris Namorthy, who seems to me one of the most amazing philosophers that child they chose and who has taught a lot. I was in Suashram and where Madame Labaski was, all the people of the Theosophy, and there I recognized myself a little, but one of the hardest experiences I had and that I recommend to all the people who want to find death face to face, is to go, to skate. Those are goodies for NASII in Hindi and you sit there on his skateboard. It' s a series of steps by the river. Ganfe to watch what happens and suddenly you find a procession that arrives and trains a dead or dead man some kind of stretcher. They put

1:18:30 it in the river, wet it a little and then upload it to a pyre, depending on the money that has the largest or smallest legs, with more perfumed or less perfumed firewood, and you see how that corpse is cremated. The smell is the smoke that comes out what the dust that puts on you is to meet death face to face, but you realize how they live it because they realize they know that what remains there that then, besides, you see a guy beating the corpse so that it is made as soon as possible ashes. Then they collect the ashes to get into a bamboo reed and have it in the river. He' s finished his life cycle here and begins another path. But for me that was with European eyes, with that fear that we have of death. Not tremendous around here, but I was very brave. Then I took a boat and didn' t take a bath.

1:19:29 In every river, every watercourse in the world where I' ve been bathing. Now I' ve been more careful and I get caught by a little boy and I say let' s see from outside a little cremations and above all, taking pictures that was absolutely forbidden. I was a little away from the riverbank. I took some pictures. It' s the corpses and all of a sudden, the guy sees that he took my clothes off and threw me in the river and I said no no or I' m crazy used crazy, you haven' t been the temple of monkeys to purify you. I throw myself in the river. They started darí and in the Nges and suddenly I put a hug and touch something you don' t know what a dead guy or a piece of corpse a piece of scared goddess corpse and told me it' s not the corpses. The problem is the bosses who eat. The bodies I saw jump into a bicharraco. In fact, they even enter sharks. The bull shark enters from the sea by the Angel River and gets there to eat. The cadavers were telling me a certain type of people and either they don' t have money to cremate themselves, or they have contagious diseases. What they do is that a stone around their necks beat and they have it in the river and, obviously, that stone after a while. For a while it rots away, the corpse floats and you find yourself a bloody corpse, like I found myself. Those were the hard parts.

1:20:47 No later I had a chance to find myself, but I think it had to be a wonderful lesson, not in the sense of saying, but death is one thing that will come and maybe. Here in Europe we attach too much importance to it. Nothing but burning you or another step more in life than life. There' s a lot more to it from this van. They said it' s like the suit. You don' t take off your pajamas with what you' ve been sleeping with at night, you throw it to wash and with your new body you go to other places, not depending on what you' ve done, karama, etcetera. Being on one plane at another. No, but then I' ve met absolutely spiritual people. Well, leave it out of this story. They' ve taken care of you if you bathe in the cangel It' s okay Basically, I have a lot of cattle ranching I don' t know about India, and I think maybe next year I' m going to go there for a walk. I don' t think I' ll bathe the cangel, because after this thing that has told Miguel Blanco, because it' s enough to make me sick, as if not, but yes, I want to go to India to see the temples of ka Jurado, to know the Rajasthan.

1:21:58 And well, what happens is that if it' s true that I interview you, well, I have many friends who have been in India and everything to me, many tell me this not that it' s like because India always sells you this spirituality of yoga to the pods, such and many when they arrive, it gives them as a kind of shock that that spirituality, because maybe it' s not so much, or you have to live it another way. Or I don' t know. I have no idea, I don' t have to go and to be able to express my opinion, what I hear is that, under the eyes of us Westerners, it is a cultural clash, because from the point of view of aceptia it is very different. It' s a very different world from ours, because like sixty percent of India, something like that doesn' t even have exactly game.

1:22:41 So it' s a conception and another society that works totally differently. So I think it' s a particular shock. Juan that here on Twitter are sending us some listeners the proposals of their trips, ideal ideas of the triqueteria that they want to know here. Our friend Jaime Gutiérrez, a regular listener of this space, tells my memories of my trip to Mexico between October and November of two thousand twenty- two. The most special ones are the ones that I brought from the inscription temple, where Pacal' s tomb is located and shares some images here Matas de Jaime anthropologist, a good friend that even several times in the program would be a strong embrace for him. A hug for him. Mccarlitos, who listens to us from Ciudad Bolívar, a hug for Matcarlitos, says he wants to know the mountain range of the Lindosa and its pictograms in guabiare that I am an enigmatic task to which he would like to travel. And Matt Carlitos also says he would like to go to the Insa pyramids in Cauca, pyramidaspira of the Pyramid of Childhood. And Javier Mondragón Juange says he would really love to see Easter Island and gives us some pictures of the moais. I think wonderful you who had the opportunity to meet him, yes it is very beautiful, that is, Pascual is a real wonder and you can be several days running the island watching moay in Papón from Maori culture, that is, it is a wonder. And to close the issue this of India is what many people were saying to me, or what some people are going to say to me is that it is a very heavy

1:24:11 contrast to the issue of spirituality and such yoga all these pods and then they follow with a caste system that is medieval that is supposedly, that is, it is obsolete between quotation marks. Not that modern Hindu society and there are people who have a lot of silver that is not of the upper caste and such, but that in many areas still the caste system is superimplanted in all class. They told me, because it is a shock that says well, you stump spirituality and then, of course, you also have the Buddhist part of India, where already the spiritual concept radically change. But, well, you have to go, you have to go see him to investigate his mysteries that he has a lot. What happens is that India is so great and that earlier, for example, the temples of Majarastra, all those that are excavated in Rock, which is a mystery of the cane, are Buddhists, but it is that it is a lot of days of journey to see everything enormous. And here finally, Alejandro Aguirre burgeons and I know that he would like to go to the United States to get to know the Rankusking Walker, where he animates paranormal anomalies and supernatural event, a lot. Indeed, we are doing a magical walk through the world by Miguel Blanco' s hand.

1:25:26 How beautiful it is to rediscover our world and realize the magic that surrounds us. And the interview with Miguel Blanco continues like this according to you you' re fine- tuning your vibration level, you' re finding people of afinati. I don' t remember the saint of flowers and I called him a guy. This was nepal Ok. I was there in a little baratite by the river. It was for skating that place. Now it' s a tiny river that was supposed to cremate the corpses. Much harder still in Kathmandu than in Vennar. It is to see that death, because much you know much closer and it was a type of food flowers that carried all his life the last, I think, thirty years, feeding only flowers you saw his face and it was a splendid face, the guy with a brilliant look that touched you with a caress like the most beautiful woman on the planet. It was an incredible experience and as well as with several people, I had the opportunity to be with Jare Krisna as well. I got a train wrong.

1:26:35 I showed up the example of the Grisna jales and it was in India. That was India, so their central temple was not and was to see another kind of religion. I am very interested in studying the different religions and again it was another adventure with them as well. That' s good, Michael And aside from being unfaced with death, and that one you saw in India, forgiveness in Nepal was Hindu or Buddhist. It' s a question I want to ask you. And then the other one. The other is how it is an experience in an ashram in India, which is an ashram that feels there, how it is. Miguel Well, that guy was Hindu Hindu.

1:27:20 And it' s very curious, because all the people who follow religion have a series of missions. Not first good, you' re born, you' re raised, you get married a little, you have children, you have to educate children, you have to succeed in business life when you ' ve already done it. You have the obligation, or many of them choose the path of pilgrimage. Suddenly they leave everything, they give up everything and know that their family and they' re fine and they' re traveling through the different sacred places of India And I' ve found some of these sadus are called shaus who suddenly talk to them and tell you I was director general of I don' t know which Hindu company. I have three children.

1:28:05 I had a super cool house in deli or to see that. Hey, it' s time for me to dedicate myself and goodbye to the gods. He' s got$ 33 million. They leave everything behind. They have thirty- three million gods in the Lindia. Imagine you have to choose and the ace types absolutely don' t. The other question you' ve told me what life is like in a ra in an ance, I' m telling you the truth. Yes, for me they get up to do meditation all day five in the morning eat very very, very, very boring. In fact, I endured very little time, but I was behind the track of Saibaba, that saint who performed miracles and did things, who was in the fucking south of India and it was curious I kind of didn' t want him to go to his arra. I' ve been to myself.

1:29:01 I think less than a kilometer from Sai Baba' s super- known ram, he asked and said no, man there' s no one here calling and going to the people themselves. Three trips made to try to be in ram city and I didn' t make it. I' ve been in two different ploughs, one that did yoga and I wish you wanted no one, as I tell you, very boring ate badly slept a little bit and preferred to be out being a little bad more than naughty bad, which is what I am. Pray. That' s something else to see. Me next year to go to India. Next year to India and I' m going to see if I design a route out there, there, now, Nepal already passed me. Yeah, I' d say a few yes, because in Nepal there' s a rajir guy named this is a normal guy, but he' s one of the bright ones, he' s one of those bright people. He is dedicated to guiding people through different journeys with him. I' ve got, we' ve got Tibet' s open doors That' s good, and it' s a guy you' re talking to, and all of a sudden it' s a phrase that burns your brain, neurons, and your whole Western thought scheme, and you have to stop and think. And I used to call him kings, give me a second, I' ll measure what you just told me, and so one back and the other, but without pretending like we' re talking, I' ll give him a sentence with a depth. He' s a guy I love and one day I' ll introduce you to go there.

1:30:23 Yeah, it' s worth taking people in India and Nepal. And if you already dare Bhutan who say it is the country of happiness, it must be, because now I have not been so much, I have been told that it is a wonder, but that it is very affectionate that Bhutan is. But errand, man, but well, I can give you contact that can make it easier for you as soon as one thing tells me. Many years ago I was in India. Suddenly we learned that they were opening the border of Bhutan and Ian aber place three days. I don' t know if you can. It was my TV. I was there then and with a German we said come on, let' s go there and the bug. I wanted to be the first European to enter Bhutan. The guy had the longest azacal than me, and he beat me to shit, so I had to sign it was a book. But, well, then I ' m back on a guided trip and it' s an amazing country.

1:31:18 I didn' t say it was a flame. Yeah, there' s a place called tik tigerness. There' s a place where Buddha. One of the places where full Buddha was Tagernes is the place where the tiger sleeps and is a temple like a Sangri La movie. You have to take a tour of the mountain. It' s got to get there and when it gets there, you drop your drool because you say go to the amazing place. With that spirituality still authentic and patent. The thing is, he made it to TV. The guys, all the men have to wear the typical suit, which is kind of a skirt, not in the morning, but in the afternoon. In the afternoon, they put on the jeans, the clothes of s marks and the spirituality is over. And it' s over not so much, forgive spirituality, but happiness. They say Bhutan' s gross domestic product is happiness. Hopefully, continue to do so as long as we do not spoil it with tourism and Westerners, or well, with general tourism. Bhutan is, say, the great jewel of Himalayan Tibet, the great jewel of Himalayan Him. And, well, it' s like one of the cradles of Buddhism where you can live Buddhism in its purest expression, with temples. I' ve seen the pictures on some cliffs and some places that seem to me to be a fairy tale of uncles. Once incredible.

1:32:40 That of the cliff of thy Guernes is the place where the tiger sleeps that is amazing and then it is such a close country. We were in some temples there are kings still you know and all of a sudden, with the people we were with. Fortunately, you did not meet the kings who greeted you as you passed you could not touch him, but the bowing days did. Thank you very much for allowing an honor to return to your country now and perfectly. I don' t mean, I' m going to keep it that way. There will be tricks to make it cheap and you can make a trip and guide two you want to see Yes, next year I will go and make the routes open. Something about preparation. Listen how wonderful to talk to people like you, who have had so many experiences in the world so diverse and with so diverse people, because I believe that what makes us human is diversity. Today, human beings, what we do not tolerate is diversity. And you think different than I already want to kill us.

1:33:35 And you' re white and I' m black, I want to kill myself. And you' re Indian and European. We have to kill each other. That' s stupid. But how wonderful to share that. There are very few minutes left from the interview and I want to ask you about an area that you know very well and so do I, which appears in your books. What did we talk about? We' ve already talked about jungles. We' ve been to magical places, like Tibet and what it ' s like in the Himalayas Sorry And is there a place I tell you or describe it as the phone to talk to the gods? The Sahara desert, where the hermits were going to talk to the gods. I know Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, but you have had more experiences, even in the Sahara than I have. They' ve told you about those famous genums that are those demons that appear at night. What have been the experiences that Miguel Blanco, in the largest desert in the world, had, nine million square kilometers. To be exact, I would have had several. I' ll tell you two if you want vouchers, Morocco would go. When I was traveling, we arrived at bullymin, which was the gate of the desert of Morocco. There were some, I don' t know if they were.

1:34:53 That' s why I didn' t mean good. Let' s let them be Berbers there, camped guests from the desert and there was a child that was crying, giving, and I was talking to them and so and the child crying and crying and crying And suddenly I tell the person I say let me do something for him I said okay. They were warming up the tea, I say. Give me a little of that water and get out. They trade in salt. I picked water and came out a clean handkerchief that we wore in our backpacks and passed him. They had all their eyes full of flies. I cleaned my eyes, both eyes instantly as if it were something miraculous. The boy stopped crying and the old man told me you can consider yourself my guest. You know that' s sacred in the desert.

1:35:39 The comrades who came with me had to come back and I said uncle I' m staying here. I stayed with them for almost thirty- nine days in the desert dandling that it was an incredible experience. I remember the first camel times. You know, I was riding a camel and riding a horse, but the first few days of the camel, I was riding, you were getting off, I was smelling your body, and the guys were starting to chat with each other. I was going to say a word that you' re riding the jaima I want to lay down. I soon understood. They carried dogs until the dogs didn' t sit in a finished place. They didn' t ride the jaimas. They would pick up the dog from the place where he had sat and ride the jaimas and prepare everything.

1:36:21 Not because the dog says in the animal that runs in places where there is best energy, while the cat chooses places nodia harder energy. I didn' t hate them then. The first few days I hated them. To say I went to ride it, but in them it was an incredible experience and they told me about their gins at night. The experience in the desert is absolutely fascinating, the lights that were seen. In fact, this old man. I thought he was an old man. He was one of the chiefs of the non- middle tribe adopted. They didn' t cost me the night they saw those gins, which some are good, some others help them bad. You have to be careful with them. It taught me some stones in the middle of saying I have seen them a Britania were also full of petroglyphs that was not even catalogued, where you saw a kind of sun, a sun that only had rays down and said is the sun. It looked more like a UFO you know with the lights down. That was an experience with them. I want to tell you more stories, because there was everything there. He wouldn' t let me sleep with women. They were fighting to sleep with me. Evidently, I had nothing with them, because I was very embarrassed, but they touched me and because I had hairs that apparently I didn' t have, he liked to touch me very much and they quarrelled about sleeping with me and I looked at rocky said but they will see.

1:37:46 Don' t worry. Don' t worry. He was telling me. I say good and there I had my holiness. He was protected absolutely the whole trip. But good. There are people who live in what is apparently a barren land, but who are full of life, it is worth it is the Sakhara, which is. I love him, I love the Sahara until several times and next year, if God wants good via Morocco. Now in a couple of months and next year, next year, some author ' s trip to Morocco and what was the other experience you wanted to tell me in the sacrament that you lacked a Mauritania here and I have been in many places, the Shahara. I' ve been told it' s a tough country. They even say that there is still a slave market and so they say that one of the hardest countries in the world is not going to travel. Yeah, well, we were very protected. It was a humanitarian aid expedition and we' re going to operate cataracts and put glasses on people.

1:38:43 We' ve been carrying ninety people. Imagine and see our plane that I put at our disposal. Most of the time, surgeons went to certain places, and there was a word that doctors were coming to or imagine a person. I played it from a little old lady we picked up at a school, which is where we were settled. He spent two days without eating or drinking, without talking to currucate. I felt very sorry for him. I was trying to carry things and the woman didn' t want anything. I had cataracts, blind and had the privilege of helping in the operation because the appearance of cataracts appeared a very fast house and the surgeons, who were people of an incredible level in Spain, did the operation and I cured it.

1:39:30 She was selling it, but when you took off her bandage when it was time for surgery, the woman started to see if life. It' s like he kissed my hand saying that we were hinas, that we were angels from heaven. We weren' t back in sight. But in one of the places, Chingetti, which is one of the holy cities of Islam, a city that eats it the desert, you have to go to be a place because it is amazing. There is a step, the step of mooring, which they call the passage of the devil, that cannot be passed by at night, because there are some things, tremendous, also a lot of petroglyphs similar to those in Tasile. I recommend it. Let' s not say that much so that I didn' t know it any more key that messed up but there was a santon there, a sic that many people from Africa were going to visit him, a guy who apparently had powers and cured you of many things. I don' t remember I went with the pilot and we were several members of the expedition to his house. He gave the privilege and being not the guy lets you touch him. He doesn' t tell you a number of things. He says things to you, but look at the funny stuff. When we went out there much further from his house, people would approach you, kneel down and kiss your hand because they said they felt the strength of the sic that had pierced you to You.

1:40:47 That left me absolutely surprised, especially the pilot and he was the person who was with him the longest. Evidently, we had to give the note a little bit because we were white and a half that. No. But until that trip, that part of the trip, we had never been approached and we had been knelt down when we went up with him in lots of places, they approached us, kissed our hand and knelt down that yes that had not transferred part of that energy, which had an absolutely incredible experience. We were in Chiquita. It' s already finished in the middle of that desert and we were in a school all the people, all the mission we had and all of a sudden we got from outside everyone here we were saying why they started coming from those Americans. Two black planes had arrived without any signal to the airport where we had our plane there and left. I don' t know how many rambos and we had to leave them the place to sleep, because they came theoretically to fight, because in some parts of the desert of that desert. In Mauritania there were guerrillas and decillas and exiled people and I know nothing more than that I was going to say that I was given nothing. Well, well, a lot of amazing things. Ah well, if the slaves, yes, it is still a country where there was slavery.

1:42:10 They caught the blacks Mauritania, Senegal is the border of Saharan Africa and Black Africa and there were still people. The Spanish ambassador told us that we were with, not that there were people who had slaves. No, yes, yes, yes, yes, that had been sweetened before, but now there is another dangerous one to go again. That way, anyway, we ' ll take note to go someday. Miguel Blanco, thank you so much for being part of mystery night here in Caracol, Radio tremendously happy and proud that it has been part of the program and that you show to the thousands of people who are going to listen to this space, that the mystery has to live it, that we have forgotten to live it, that we live in a virtual world, that it is of cuche paper and that it is not worth fucking putting your conclusion and your closure friend and social networks, because if you want people to follow you away from your space, Miguel Blanco, of white space, podcasts, I tell us a lot the net of but good white space, that they look for it out there and enjoy what, thanks to Javier Sierra, we have adopted the term or culture, the culture of the occult that was throughout society for tens of centuries and that since the industrial revolution has forgotten and above all, that they stop looking at those little panties and that they see life, that they look to see and walk.

1:43:31 I don' t care about anything else out there, but that' s the way to share friends. Thank you very much, a very big hug thanks to You. You owe me a visit to Spain and I remember when I go and we share some trips around the world. I' m sure there will be a strong friend hug for You, for all of the following. Well, then, if God wants in a month and a beak I ' ll have some reeds with Miguel over there, in Madrid, what a good interview. I don' t mean it makes me forget to live, as it' s true stain. People forget to live it. I don ' t know if you' ve seen viral images. No. Now, all of a sudden, a concert, an event and everyone with their cell phone nobody watches. No one directly experiences it. See that there' s one thing to freak out about doing something, something so valuable that Miguel said, and you, like a reporter, know that you' ve done the work in the field, too. He said many times, neither I to the House nor anything, because he wanted my eyes to experience it firsthand.

1:44:34 I think that, especially today, that we live so obsessed with networks, with showing with me I recorded it, with me, I showed it with record and they don' t live it, they don' t feel it, they don' t perceive it. Starting to play by people who already want the ultimate OMNI test to see the OMNI look perfectly detailed, when that is something absolutely look. One of the stupidest things I' ve ever seen in my life was once filming Machu Pichus. The last time I was here three times was about ten years ago. I wanted already from the time when the selfi sticks were there and so there was a couple. He took about forty or sixty photos in Machu Pichu. They in Machu Pichu, they didn ' t take a picture of him in ruin. All the pictures were theirs.

1:45:28 I didn' t tell them anything, but you' re about to tell him, I mean, man, you don' t see where he is. I mean, I' m more important to you than Machu Pichu, right, man, you take one more picture, Chu Pichu, worth the eighty that it takes you is you in Machu Pichu, Holy God, what pathetic egolatria is that? How pathetic is that? We forgot to live, we forgot, moreover, to experience the magic of that kind of lugos what shameful? Okay? I forgot places I' d like to go. India is very clear, Nepal is very clear. Okay. For me, the first one I want to go is Cambodia. It' s worth going to Cambodia, to see the temples of Ancor or India, China, China, I' d love to see, my mother, the temples of Gudan, a thousand things. There and there, and that' s just that I think my big outstanding subject is Asia. Then I' ll start there, start going there. If God wants everything, I' ll shoot over there. Yes, yes, while trying there, Nepal also in other places.

1:46:35 Anyway, Alejandra Bernalto conclusion of your land, friend Jorge I reiterate envy of the good stories of Miguel Blanco, of your experiences. You were privileged or part of living that period of journalists who had the opportunity to make that kind of trips I also remember and although I have not been part of this program, but we have brought it to the master Roberto Torre and have another great adventurer but our who reco loco all Colombia. It' s a mystery for years and he keeps doing it exactly as Roberto. It is tireless and it is that generation of journalists who sadly is increasingly in disuse, They have no space, they have no figuration in networks But I think that for me it is very valuable to show not only the experiences in new adventure, but to live John is part of life. I mean, I think you should look at what you said, which I find very valuable. I never found the ark. I never found it in life, against it, but I have the experience left. It' s the experience, the journey, the adventure. That' s the most important thing. I always tell. I mean, I was talking to the Jerusalem Conservative and he gave me permission to look for the ark to make a documentary. With good not to get the money then it is worth and to have been in Jerusalem a couple of times and to know it super well, that is, of the most wonderful things that I have ever lived in and if God wants, I will return yes, of course exactly game Hey good and to me can follow on social networks on Twitter and sagra my tiktok in arroba aleverb s with s Well, then

1:48:11 a huge trip that we have given tonight, an expedition to the mystery, an expedition to the magical corners of the world and with a very clear message. Don' t forget to live, leave your cell phones and pods and so live, experience, meet other people, other places. Pack up your magic, because there are other worlds, but they' re on this one. I don' t know if some of us had to be born in another era and if you think the same as me, but remember that always discover what surrounds us with a child' s gaze. Never forget it and never forget that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery