Amazonia, la selva misteriosa

0:01 In fact, hello everyone how it is there. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, that journalist desk, the director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. It has almost seven million square kilometers of a jungle, between the magical, the legend and the enigmatic. I am referring to the Amazon jungle, a place where still old shamans come into contact with ancient gods, a place of enormous anthropological wealth, where there are still tribes even without contact, and a place where expeditions have been made looking for the impossible. You have ever heard of matin Guari, for example, a kind of giant ape yetti in the Amazon or, for example, a place where expeditions were made looking for lost cities wrapped in legend, as did, for example, in a thousand nine hundred and twenty- five the British explorer perci Faucet in the snoring massif in Brazil, searched for the city of Zeta, a city of Roman Greco style that, according to texts that appeared in Rio de Janeiro, would have already discovered some garin peiros looking for gold decades ago. But if you want to know about this and much more, don' t miss the last

1:33 mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio Amazonia the mysterious jungle. In the year of 1, 500 forty- two, an expedition entered the depths of the Amazon jungle at that time, At that time, the conquerors did not yet know the heart of the South American continent. This expedition was because Gonzalo Pizarro and Francisco de Orellana were looking for the country of the Cinnamon, a region tremendously rich, in spices, a region that did not exist, since that was in Asia and not here in America. But it was in that expedition, in that madness, that Francisco de Orellana, along with fifty men, entered a river after having made a small brig so that he could look for more supplies for his expedition. However, it was a journey without return, a journey that took seven months to travel four hundred kilometers, a journey whose scrubbing chronicler of Carpac de Carvajal, wrote in his chronicles countless exploits and adventures.

3:05 Men from Europe faced a new world, a world that did not know a tribal world that lived in a true paradise, a paradise that still exists today. And it is for this expedition that we know this river, the longest and most abundant river in the world, like Amazonas, since Gaspar de Carvajal, with everything in his chronicles, as at a certain moment, some indigenous people that he describes as women, fight fiercely against that group of Spaniards and then frogaspar de Carvajal and the same Orellana and the rest of the members of the expedition said these very brave women. I' m sure they' re the same Amazons Ulysses described in his adventures in ancient Greece. Everything far from reality. We don' t even know if that tribe of warrior women really attacked them, that they attacked them safely because Carvajal' s scrubbing even lost an eye for that adventure. However, to this day many anthropologists think that really with whom they faced that group of Spanish explorers was with the indigenous yaguas who, having as a dress a skirt, were confused by the Spanish with

4:36 women. Anyway, we get into the realm of hypotheticals. We have no certainty, except that the expedition was real and that these men crossed that great paradise. The truth is that, after that expedition and after the baptism of that entire area of the Amazon, everyone knew that there were countless unexplored territories. I note that today there are still unexplored territories, such as the Chiribiquete National Park, here in Colombia, which belongs to the Amazon basin. Pious in that only part, Carbajal tells how there were entire cities on the banks of the river, how there were huge communities, and it was thought until a few years ago that the pair of Carvajal lied now the archaeology has discovered thousands and I am saying well thousands of cities in the Amazon jungle. In a few years, more than 90 percent of Amazonians died from the bacteriological shock.

5:56 After the arrival of Europeans today I believe that it is still a magical land full of mystery, an area that has seven million square kilometers covering countries such as Brazil, Peru, Colombia, Bolivia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname and French Guiana, where there are more than eighty zero plant species, three zero species of freshwater fish, three hundred seventy- eight types of reptiles, sixteen zero types of trees. In total, about three hundred and ninety million trees, four hundred and twenty- seven types of mammals, one three hundred types of birds and on a human level, the wealth of the Amazon is not left behind. About that natural wealth. There are more than 300 different languages and 400 Indian groups. It' s a level of math and data.

7:08 Really for me, the Amazon, which is an area where I love and have been in Bolivia, I have been here in Colombia, has been also in Peru, is a magical area where still the whisper of the shaman speaks to the trees and birds, a place where the places, where the places have soul, a place where there are sacred sites, guarded by the power of ancient and mysterious gods. An unknown land that still resists, five hundred years later to be really not only conquered, but not even known, as if those gods of the Amazon were stubborn that in certain places the white man should not enter, as if he insisted that that ancient magic that is thousands of years old can continue to live. Unfortunately, the 21st century Destroyer has put many of the species and many of the Amazonian places in danger of extinction. A human being who is increasingly predatory and who does not respect his own home. We have to think that the Amazon is not only the place of earth magic and mystery, but also the lung of the planet. If the entire Earth does not care for the Amazon, this will be billed to

8:45 the entire planet. A magical place, a place where expeditions are very difficult. It is a rather hostile territory, with the heat, humidity, mosquitoes and, despite that, of all the times that it is, I would go again, to hear again the shaman singing that whispers to the trees and birds. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want to follow me on social media. In my tweets Juan ge Vallejo, Juan j Vallejo, on Instagram and on Facebook. Juan Jesús Vallejo and this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery journalism. We put the facts on the table and you decide what' s behind it and you don' t know what I' m doing. Author' s travel. The second fortnight of September of this year we will travel again to Egypt, to immerse ourselves in the mystery of the Pyramids, to navigate the magical Nile, land of pharaohs and also of ancient and mysterious gods. All the information on that trip is in three ws. Juan Jesús Vallejo trips. Travel Juan Jesús.

10:03 We took him out there without malam Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how you are. Very well, Juan ge a greeting for you, also for our guests of exception of this program Esteban Cruz and Camilo Manjarres and, of course, a huge hug and for all those who consume our podcast through the publication that we make every week on the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio. Today Juan G a special program for all people who have always been attracted to the mysteries of the Amazon. What great riddles, what great underground cities, a vergel and a great puzzle of riddles related to the great lung of the world, as is the Amazon. Juan G. And if you like my work, I invite you to subscribe to my YouTube channel. Mandragora Mysteries Mandragora Mysteries on YouTube. Indeed, a land that for me, I love, I love the manzanía, but those if issued by the Amazon are made hard. What the introduction said was not a pose, but that the subject of heat is moistened by mosquitoes. I still love the jungle. I don' t know what has to hypnotize me, because look above, throw the beach anywhere else in the jungle, if you forget the world and enter another universe that is that ancient paradise and we have much more guests. Obviously, we have our friend historian and anthropologist, presenter and program director beyond in Redman, Esteban Cruz, partner friend, how you are. All right, John Jesus, here

11:37 again happy night of mystery. It' s a pleasure for me to always listen to you and participate. Thank you for the invitation. If I tell you the Amazon rainforest, which is the first thing that comes to mind Esteban Cruz, because I remember many years ago he will be already in the middle of the Amazon jungle on the border of Peru and Colombia. I remember a lot the river plus waves think it' s just jungle and water, but there' s really a lot of people at night. It looked like a highway, full of boats, full of boats, but quantities that go from one side to the other, very large boats and also very small boats, and also lots of stories. And I remember a lot that many of those who were there told me that there was a lake where they did not enter, because there came out a sort of being that they called the motel Mama, that it was like a sort of island that they saw with trees and everything that arose and disappeared a ghost island and that when people were around, they realized that it was something that had head and legs under the water, because for them motello mama is like the great ancestral turtle, which is like a living island. I remember that still such a beautiful story. And that ' s what you' ve said curiously in the Amazon, it' s just to stop verancha good the Amazonas, the Amazonas, that one arrives here in Leticia, in Colombia and you don' t see the shore in front of it, that is, it' s huge for people to come out an idea when it comes together in the Ucayali River and the Marañón, when

13:11 it starts what is the Amazonas River, it' s already three kilometers wide, it' s almost triple that the Nile River, that is, it ' s a real barbarity and it' s true not that you see a lot of boat passing from one side to the other. But on the other hand, if you get jungle in as soon as you' ve walked for two hours, you get to a place where no one gets there anymore. I mean, it' s one thing that' s really super, super crazy Amazon to me. I love it, and here, in Colombia, we have a place that is Port Cariño, which is crucial, because from there you can start countless expeditions to the Amazon rainforest, both through the river and inland. And today we also have another more luxurious guest, who is Mr Camilo Manjarres, Friend Camilo, how are you hello Juangel as a greeting to you parafarjo and for going very good night. And Juan, I think the Amazon theme is quite interesting and I remember a lot of an author or a Spaniard, a writer named Enrique Poncella, who mentions that history is what happened, but we ignore if really what happened. And I think many times we don' t know if there were actually civilizations in the Amazon, if there were, say, tribes, who had contact with other beings. Then a rather interesting topic that we can address tonight. Yes, the truth is that, if I repeat the Amazon is a land, it is a land

14:43 full of unknowns and mystery, we are going to start getting into matter. He commented that one of the most curious stories of the Amazon, which has endorsed archaeology a few decades ago is precisely that that in that chronicle of scrub par de Carvajal we were told of countless cities that were in the Amazon and he described them like this and then it was always said that this was a legend, that this was not reality, because good, because the Amazon soil, as it has a very acidic pch, is very, very, very difficult fertility, quite complex enough for agriculture and, moreover, since no remains of cities were found, neither of nor of anything, I repeat ninety percent of the population of the area died from the bacteriological shock after the arrival of Europeans, because this remained in the legend until a few years ago and on top we have more archaeological news. It has been shown that, indeed, the Amazon is not that there were cities, there were, but many cities, thousands of cities that are now being rediscovered. Alejandro Bernard Tell us, what has happened in recent years at the archaeological level in the Amazon, which has been in authentic revolution at the historical level and precisely Juan Ge one of the most interesting novelties related to the discovery of cities in the Amazon. It has to do with a study that was published by Science magazine in October of

16:14 two thousand twenty- three, a very recent article that echoes a research that was led by a Brazilian expert, Vinicius Peripatos, a man who is part of the National Institute of Space Research of Brazil, who, with the help of Lydar technology to contextualize to the listeners a very advanced laser beam that allows to look below the canopy of the jungle, below what are the trees vegetation and others and with this technology, peri Pato and a group of scientists could find Juange a really impressive find. It turns out that they did a scan of five thousand three hundred and fifteen square kilometers of and detected a significant number of patterns that indicated human action in the jungle, detected more than nine hundred earth movements and up to twenty- four constructions. Within these data, which were collected by Peripato and these other scientists, not only from Brazil, but from other parts of the world, they also established that under Brazil' s thick Amazon rainforest could hide up to sixteen hundred and eighty- seven deposits of structures raised by the human hand. Within these data collected by these experts,

17:44 they also found seventy- nine species of trees cultivated in an area they called about one thousand seven hundred patches of forests that included several heitis near land works discovered in recent years. Due to this discovery, Juange was a camel and listener, because, of course, the Amazon, not only in Brazil, but here in South America, regained a really impressive relevance thanks to this lydar technology, this technology that allows us to show this type of structures under the dense Amazon rainforest and another of the great discoveries that has been made recently.

18:30 And this yes is quite new Juange, because it has to do with an article of the journal Science of January of this year of two thousand twenty- four has to do with an impressive finding in the Ecuadorian Amazon, a huge settlement of at least two thousand five hundred years old that was also found thanks to this impressive idar technology. Specifically, the people who led this scientific study from France, Ecuador and other parts of the continent found in the rainforest of the Upano Valley, which remains in the Amazonian province of Moronga, Santiago, in our neighboring nation of Ecuador, as it turns out Juan Ge found about three hundred square kilometers of what for them would have been a densely populated valley with residential and ceremonial structures. According to this study and this publication of sites, one of the most important scientific journals in the world and the reitero, something that was published very recently. There would have been at least five population groups that would have inhabited this area from the year 500 B C E to the six hundred B C E, at least according to preliminary data, it is still not known how parts of these structures could be left of the way.

20:02 According to the French archaeologist who was the leader of this investigation and also the author of this science article, Stephen Rostaine, This is a man who has been investigating this area of Ecuador since nineteen hundred and ninety- six. Juange and they found something impressive. They observed a complex road system that extends over tens of kilometers according to the Rostein and the other scientists, this kind of roads or roads are connected to each other, between wide and straight. There are a kind of areas that, according to Rostain and these scientists, would be like a kind of neighborhoods that would have very defined sectors, interspersed streets, rectangular crop areas, hillsides where there were terraces of various types of cultivation. Really John gealgo amazing what these experts found in this study of Science magazine. A compatriot of yours, Alejandra Sánchez Polo. This woman is a Spanish archeologist from the University of Valladolid, who is one of the experts who has been there in Ecuador on site verifying this finding. According to this woman, they managed to identify more than 7, 500 positive elements, modified and tons of land moved by pre- Hispanic communities. The reitero in the Ecuadorian

21:34 Amazon, in the Amazon province of Moronga Santiago, is not that everything is crazy, that is, the number of cities that are appearing in the Brazilian jungle. Now Ecuador, also northern Bolivia, is appearing cities and what seemed like a legend of history, by Gaspar de Carvajal, because it not only turns out to be true, but it is also much more between quotation marks. Fantastic, that is, it was understood that the Amazon rainforest was a very hostile environment, but still a very hostile environment. There many people lived, millions of people had lived on the arrival of Spaniards, Europeans. What happens that, when the population died and as the houses and the main buildings of this type of cities were made of wood and vegetable fiber, since everything rotted with the passage of time and the tremendous humidity. And it' s also curious because decades ago geoglyphs began to appear in the Brazilian jungle, that is, people fell trees and from a drone a helicopter, it clearly looked like some kind of drawings made on the ground. And apparently, this also has to do with the cities, in the sense that those geoglyphs were the tons of land that the ancient inhabitants of the Amazon moved to make their cities, which many were walled. And then that road system that Alejandro Bernal commented,

23:07 which shows us a fantastic world that, unfortunately, disappeared. Esteban Cruz friend you as an anthropologist, what do you think of this whole story. You have to have him much more, You have to look much more at the legends than we initially thought yes, Juan Ge and there is one very interesting thing, and there have always been stories of lost cities around the Amazon. Specifically, there are some that many people do not remember because they place them in other places and in other spaces, such as the City of Caesars. I don' t know if we remember this story that really in Argentina is also when Dale Dale tells me, not that I the context that I had in the City of Caesars were Argentina already very south. Exactly. Yes, but what happens there in 1, 500 twenty- eight, this captain Francisco César had heard that he was in Permambuco, in what today is Brazil, that there was an entrance through the water, that led to a place where there was the famous Sierra de la Plata, that many say was Potosí and that is why they call him Mar del Plata. But there are some theorists who say that the Rio de la Plata connects with the northern part of Argentina, which is linked to some areas of Bolivia, which today are Bolivia, which are filled with Selva, which would be the lower part of the Amazon and also of Brazil, like the Tibnis and others. And some say that that city, which was the lost city of the Caesars, that many say they were in the cone would surreally be in the Amazon, in the

24:40 Amazon, which was a place full of gold and silver and wealth and advanced technology. Many say it has to do with an area called the Sierras de las Pampeanas and that there is a lot of jungle that already reaches the Amazon at the top. So many claim that there are legends like this and other gold cities of the Amazon are real. And with these things he tells us here, Alexander, for they would come true, no, because there are many more. Other lost cities have also been found in the area of Bolivia. They have also been found in Upper Peru, in the area of Peru, in Ucayali, they have also been found in other areas of Brazil.

25:23 Then we could talk about these stories being read from lost cities, from the cities of the Caesars. The Paititi the gold could be completely real. Trapalanda, for example, Otrapalanda. I' ve never heard that one before. Then you don' t comment because there' s no time left. But what you said about Paititi, goes from the famous city of Paititi, also from the gold of the Incas, that there are people who are still searching even today, to urban legends in Peru that say Fujimori found it and that he took all the treasure out of there. Moreover, I have already heard from everyone in that regard. But it is true that all this legend is nourished, because the amount of gold that was in empires like the Inca the arrival of the Spaniards is still not easy to explain, although they say that that gold came out of the rivers and such, but of course because of the bacteriological shock, all the communities were isolated. If it is possible that in the Amazon jungle there were large golden veins that were exploited by some indigenous people. And there are even legends among dosqueros in Peru, among the Queros Indians, for example, they have even a dance that speaks the chuncho zapas of the Indian, of the rich Indian who and go dancing with huge chains of gold, so that those legends continue to give us a lot of ground to continue dreaming about being adventurers. Anyway, I think I was born in the wrong time. We were talking to Esteban Cruz about that possibility that cities

27:10 still remain undiscovered all that the scientific articles that Alejandro Bernal mentioned to us, which are a past, that is, they have been discovered and four days ago, countless cities in the Ecuadorian Amazon and countless cities in the Brazilian Amazon do nothing but demonstrate, as he said before, that legends have a basis of real and farta pro electoral. Well yet, for example, the forest of Bolivia and I don' t even tell you the Colombian chiribiquete, which may still be there. Thus, we have absolutely no idea Camilo Manjarrea, which you have not expressed on this issue of lost cities. Yes, John that because in fact, I would like to be a historical resource and understand why they originate like these beliefs. And we must leave Juange Alejos, Esteban and each of the listeners that we should talk about the great Inca empire the Incas, as most may know, covered almost the entire western part of South America Juangelo, which is from parts of Colombia, through Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile and to a small part of Argentina. More Juange the population of the Incas. It is believed that it reached up to twelve million inhabitants, that is, it was a fairly large empire for this time. The

28:41 most interesting thing is that the Incas called their empire of Tahuanti their Juange, which means the four regions together here It is extremely important and I share with the listeners to understand a word, which suddenly pronounces it wrong, because it is in Quechua that they japakñan. What it means is the Villalandine system, that is, it is a wide network of road Juange, that allowed the Incas to articulate politically, economically and socially, to these peoples, that is to say a rather interesting thing and that is, juanje Alejo and Esteban we must bear in mind that the Inca Empire was divided into four regions, which was the antisuyo that was geographically located Juange, in the upper Amazon, was a tropical jungle that was filled with natural resources such as coca leaves, medicinal plants, gold and even feathers of exotic birds. We must also remember that there was Chincha and his that covered the most important agricultural region of the Empire. This Juange territory comprised much of present- day Peru, Ecuador and a portion of Colombia, more or less what would be parts of grass here in southern Colombia. We must also remember the conti that supplied the Incas with

30:12 important marine resources. And finally, Juan ge Alejo and Esteban whose own covering southern Peru and, as I had mentioned, parts of Bolivia, Argentina and Chile. Then, John who was a fairly broad empire that expanded through much of South America, which obviously had relations with the Amazon rainforest and, most importantly, in the key piece, Juange and listeners were the famous Chasquis Chasquis were the messengers of this time of the Inca Empire and were athletes, because these people, this native community, they were in charge of sending the messages to the different regions of the Inca Empire and obviously, they had to run, they had to be physically adapted to face any problems that could arise along the way to send these messages. So, John who, listener, listener and far you go. We can determine that the Chasquis these messengers knew routes to reach these regions quickly and that they possibly had the knowledge and even knew about the existence of these cities for today unknown. That thing Amilo said seems super interesting to me and I' ll explain why. And it' s on onion again. I don' t know if I' ve told it or not here, but, well, basically to see the capagan the Inca

31:42 way. I think this bank even knows this better than I would darken that I' m going to have twenty- five zero kilón, twenty- five zero kilometers of roads. I' ve been well listened to twenty- five zero kilometers. So what the Inca Empire does is that in two centuries it expands a barbarity and, indeed, it has contact with the areas of Selva, with the areas not only of the pampa of the Puna until Argentina, Chile, here in Colombia, until the area of pairs of Pasto arrived the Capañán, but that there was a super rich trade between the different regions and obviously, the Incas what they did was monopolize it and they actually brought gold from the Selva with exotic feathers other things, and sold them to the peoples of the coast the other way around and the whole continent was interconnected. That what happens is that that ends when, when the Spaniards obviously arrive, the bacteriological shock ends with ninety percent of the population in a century is estimated.

32:45 Then, at that moment of splendor, it is possible that the Incas exchanged with the peoples of the Amazon rainforest. I pray, for other things, and not just the Incas, the muiscas. Here on the cundiboyacense savannah super probable. That' s more than likely and the story of onion flights that I' ve ever told. That' s what you' re going to Peru and where Lausangate Mountain is. There are the kerosene, there are the kerosene from above, and the kerosene from above, which is a tribe to many, were the slaves of the syncales, bringing them things from the Amazon rainforest. The kerosene above know that there is a tribe of kerosene down and they know that there are the kerosene below, but they have no contact with them for almost five centuries. And the kerosene below you go and ask questions that are near the port of Maldonado and know that there are some kerosene up there, but they have no contact with them. Centuries ago, then, when I investigate this, there is a French adventurer named Antoine George, who told me this whole story. Then he' d say no. The road was broken centuries ago and a few years ago a quero from above came down, put some ropes and went down to connect with the jungle, because it is an area that goes down from almost four thousand meters to almost sea level.

34:05 And then he tells me because the guy put some strings, but when he got down, he saw a barefoot print. He died of fear and went up because they say they' re down the huey di chunkos. The güey di chunchu are very violent Indians who throw the invisible arrows. They throw with blowpipes and then they poison the arrows with which they give you are very small, but with which I make you a little cut, who sings impaze. Then it doesn' t come out of that. That is to this day, researching in the area, in the area of Cusco Vale have imagined centuries ago the contact that there was that flourishing trade between different peoples and Etnia, that not everything was cuché paper and beautiful things, because the Incas that ask the chimoes did not remain one that is, no empire. It' s done by handing out little kisses. Okay. But indeed, it is a remora of a world that those scientific studies that the Dejanda Bernal has told us, puts us clearly on the table that was completely true this ban cro.

35:10 I wanted to say something yes, Juan Ge is that in the year two thousand and seventeen something very crazy happened. It is that there is a village there in Cusco, in the area of Cusco, in the province, if I am not ill from the Convention that is called Juno, and I remember a lot that Juno went there with his cows and with his calves. He was a man named Javier Paso, another man named Benancio Escalada and a man named Justo Puma, and they were with their cows grazing their cattle there. That was the September nine of the two thousand and seventeen when they realized that a cow, as I was disturbed, approached, saw that there was a wall, began to clean and then found a road and then some terraces and then realized that it was something gigantic. The news came out for the world. And it is that in this area, which is from Selva, they had found a litter, an Inca city. And it is that many archaeologists, my colleagues say that many of the Inca cities that were after the Andes, which were inside the Jungle, were lost. The Inca remember, they fled after the fall from Cusco to Vilcabamba and there they had a government in exile near the Jungle. But many say that there remained a lot of lost cities that still find us and that they could be part of a jungle kingdom, which they called the Paititi, which was supposedly very advanced, that many say was Inca or pre- Inca or was another town. And all

36:40 these discoveries are astounding, because they have to do with legend. Perhaps there, in the depths of the SELVA, are still the ancient altars, perhaps there Juanje and all the listeners at the bottom of the SELVA, are the ancient places of reunion, of communion among the ancient civilizations never found by the Europeans, who had advanced metallurgy, gold, which even had technology that we do not know, something supremely rare and hidden. And this seems incredible to me because after that news no one went to see, Nadila went to see, because that is very expensive and because many do not care nor are the photos. And it was three cattle ranchers who dropped a calf there and took a lap and then said this it is and they realized that it was a bragging city like machu pichu in the jungle and that' s in the Peruvian jungle. Esteban Yes, sir in quejuno is called the village. Within five hours walking, these gentlemen took their cows, walked into the mountain, and that was what I told them. There are even pictures of them laughing and there walking the cattle on top of good, great monumental steps. There, they found them there. And it' s really surprising this case, because because a lot of this news comes out all the time and nobody says anything.

37:57 No, nobody says anything. He forgets and he' s curious. And there is a city and many say it can be the Paititi. What else will there be? What else will there be? Well, a city that I' m telling you has already been looted and looted. Well, there' s one very curious thing to say. Tiran Bingham wasn' t looking for Machu Pichu. Machu piche we don' t even know what the name is Machu Pichú. It' s called the mountain forgiveness, the mountain travels or the old beak. He was looking for Vilcabamba, the city where your Pacamarus hid and there was supposedly much of the Inca treasure. He never looked for Machu Pichu. Vilcabamba was looking for the gold issue, a thousand nine hundred and eleven, for he discovered Machu Pichu and was told no. Here on the mountain had fallen a ruins and notice what he discovered. And there is still archaeological discussion if the Vilcabamba that we have today is the one that the really Villcabamba that Tu Pakamaru was in. It' s not even clear. Ajandro bernal because so that we do not get an idea of the size of this city, which was found in the province of Burrona Santiago, he studied the magazines there in January of this year. In figures, what these researchers found were five four hundred and fifteen platforms, one thousand and five hundred eleven truncated culls, two hundred and sixty mounds, with tops, rounded, square, rectangular, oval structures, others in d l forms and composed of various levels. According to the researchers, there are also squares, squares,

39:27 terraces, ramps and ditches in this area. We are talking about a large and monumental structure that would demonstrate that the inhabitants of Ecuador, in this area of our continent, had not only a knowledge, but a form of complex construction that is erected precisely in this area of Ecuador, the province of Morona Santiago. It is not a barbarity what you have said p five thousand silver platform five thousand four hundred and fifteen, John, madness. That' s a real beast. I am already reminded that also at the end of the last century, Jins Saboy discovered the city of Gran Saposa, which is believed to have about 200 hectares. What happens to Gran Saposa takes about fifteen days to arrive. In other words, they are in the middle of the raid and, indeed, as soon as people are told, there is wakea before the archaeological investigation has reached Camila Manjarre, I wanted to comment, yes, Juan that because in fact I believe that almost everyone has usually heard about the Dora issue or about the city of Dorado. And curiously there' s the fight between o. Well, it' s from Peru or it' s from Colombia, because, as far away and as you Juan that mentioned and this ban on the famous Paititi, what' s going on here.

40:44 It is very important that the listeners bear in mind that on July 26, 1, 500, thirty- three, Tahualpa died in the hands of the Spaniards. What happens when he dies, all these Spaniards ask the Incas where they' re getting all this gold. They say more words less, tell them that there is a mythical city in Amazonas and that there they take out the money. What' s going on? It was originally believed that this was the famous Dorado, the famous Paititi. But when some Spanish settlers arrived in Colombia. They arrived in the Guatavita region. What' s going on in Watabita? For a long time, some believed that the gold was in Colombia because in the Sagra lagoon of Watabita there was a very interesting ritual, which covered a leader with gold dust, the next Inca leader, leader who in Muiscao who was correct approached the Guatavita lagoon. In this lagoon, this new leader threw himself into the lagoon and the other natives threw, because gold in this lagoon, which led them to believe that possibly the you was the golden one. But what happens As before I mentioned about this empire, which was quite large, of the Inca empire, for possibly both the muiscas as well as the Incas and other native communities of South America if they had the knowledge and if they had as the contact of that mythical sacred city and therefore

42:16 every culture engaged in native civilization had these rituals related to gold. So very important to understand that possibly all these native communities had the knowledge and knew about the existence of this mythical city of Dorado. And as a curious fact Juan that already to finish, the lagoon of Guatavita is called this because, according to some chronicles, it is mentioned that long ago, Esteban and Alejo existed a rather ferocious muisca that was called Guatavita and one day he saw how his wife, because it was unfaithful to him and decided to murder the lover. He took out his heart and forced his wife to consume this person’ s heart. His wife, then, obviously so badly in crisis, crying, decides to take her little baby in her arms and throws herself into this lagoon and then obviously dies drowned with her daughter and with the passage of time, because this lagoon that gives the name of guatavita, this ferocious Wiska that murdered his wife' s lover. That' s what you said to give him some information to clarify. Basically one thing is the question of the gold of the Incas and possibly coming from the Amazon rainforest. There' s a very curious detail. The Koricancha, the most sacred temple of the Incas, was a temple that was all inside lined with gold, where were the Malkins, the mummies of the Cinti Churing, the sons of Sun, those who had been emperors before and besides, there was a replica of a forest in gold

43:47 with corn cobs in gold, all in this way that blackboard. What the Spaniards describe when they get there is that in the coricanchan the first rays of sun You within the theme. You couldn' t even see how many thousands of pounds of gold there was. Then you have to think about the following, when the Spaniards will not tell the story, which is a little long. But basically, when the Spaniards kill Tahualpa in Cajamarca, what happens there is that the Spanish blackhead takes Atahualpa and tells his general to Rumiñagui, give me all the gold of the empire and I give you and I give you to the emperor and Rumiñahui, whatever was the northern part of the Empire because the Incas were in civil war Uascar, who was the one in Cuzco, were civil war with his brother, because Atahualpa had married a woman who was not Intipchuring, she was an Ecuadorian indigenous woman. Then the treasure that brings rumiñagui in an area of Amazon jungle that goes from that to today' s program, which is the mountain range of yang Ganates. Legend has it that he when he finds out that even Gualpa died he on earth all the treasure of the northern part of the Empire in Yanganate and people who keep looking for the treasure of the mountains of Anganates and all this history. And then comes the Paititi when manco capac Segundo, hides in the forests Mincabamba and then your

45:22 Pakamaru, which is the last in tip Churing, as it ends this with this legend, while the theme here and how the legend of the city of the gold arises. It is because, indeed, there was a ritual in Lake Guatavita, which was that of the golden man, the man wearing gold, and then the Spaniards distorted the legends. The Spaniards simply realized that when they arrived in cities like Tenstizclan in Mexico, especially Cusco, there was a lot of gold and a lot of wealth. And then that was already a Spanish invention of my God, because the golden man, because there has to be in a city from which the gold comes, that would be the gold, that does not have as much foundation as the Paititi, because the Incas did, that they had a network of cities already super important through the capagnan.

46:09 But, finally all that is a story that seems to me, I find it really exciting that takes us those times from which there were treasure seekers and adventurers that we will talk in the next part also about this a time, a time of conquest, of barbarism, of madness and also romantic time of adventures. I mean, judging the history of humanity is tremendously complex. Anyway, since we have, we have deciphered and we have been here talking about the whole issue of lost cities. We' re going to take a next step because if we' re not going to reach half the points we have in the region. Well, there' s a theme in the Amazon that fascinates me, and it turns out that one of the things that made archaeologists say can' t be possible that there' s so much city in the Amazon. It is because the pH of the Amazonian earth, which is a reddish earth, is very agitated. So, yes, then, the plants that are adapted, the native plants of the Amazon, grow there well, but it does not give rise to an agriculture in condition. And this was until a few decades ago. It was first discovered in Brazil. Now it has already been discovered even here in Colombia, in Putumayo, it has been discovered in Ecuador, it has been discovered in Bolivia, a thing called the terra preta, and it is that the Amazonian indigenous and this is a mystery of the fuck, because this is an opar, it is an object

47:40 out of time. And if we knew exactly how this terra preta is made, we would end the problem of hunger in the world, because it is a land that does not need any kind of fertilizer, that is, it turns out that the Amazonian indigenous people who took out in concrete two with eighty meters of layer of land and made a mixture that had ceramics, human poo, poop of animals, remains of food, rapas of fish, algae of the river Orina. A very curious topic is that it has a type of coal that was made with a very very, very slow combustion and with this they made a black land that is embankmented, I repeat, up to two with eighty meters and it turns out that that land, once you have made it, does not need fertilizer. For thousands of years, one has been discovered in Bolivia that is five thousand years old and still fertile. It is an absurd thing, but absurd then now the one who is investigating this much is a professor of the University of Exeter MC Robinson, who has been, for example, on the northern border of Bolivia doing research on the terra preta that has been discovered there. And this is also a shame because now in

49:10 Brazil they are pulling out and uprooting the terra preta and selling it. They can Google you and send a bag of terra preta to your house, but we don' t know exactly how it was done. We haven' t been able to replicate it. We have the chemical elements. We know that there is land loan that is five thousand years old, because bits of ceramics and unique things have been found. Bonus fourteen. Also that dating can be done, but it is a mystery. But from the brawl. How these people were able to solve the problem of an infertile soil and created the most fertile soil in the history of mankind that science is looking for today. Esteban Cruz, You, who are the anthropologist, what do you think of this history of the terra Preta, then, Juan, this story that has to do with the possibility of transforming the soils, of adapting the forest land to the crops, which is very difficult. It is surprising because to this day we do not really have large crops in the Amazon. Let' s say that when the trees are cut, especially in Brazil, it has been made to be sown or cattle, the land becomes very bad and even desert after a few years. And that is the great mystery, because these cities of which Alexander speaks to us had thousands of inhabitants and how to support these thousands of inhabitants and you have a land deficient to agriculture, only with fishing, only with hunting, only with gathering. That' s really a mystery,

50:42 because you have the cities, you have the inhabitants, but for those people to live they need food. And if you don' t have, how to produce food, because they shouldn' t be there, they shouldn' t be there, and the legends don' t either. And that' s when it comes into play that there probably was and there had to be advanced technology that we don' t know anything about. We were talking about an opar created by the ancient Amazonian cultures, the narrow terra, something that would end the problem of hunger in the world, because the Amazon Indians created a very dark black type of land, with a number of natural components all, I repeat, charcoal with a very slow combustion, human poop, poop of animals, urine, fish skins, pieces of ceramics and those, gentlemen, is a land that we don' t know exactly why, but it doesn' t need. I pay for the millennium and Alejandro Bernal wanted to add some information about this. Oh as if I print in world the mystery, nothing chance and no coincidence. Mark Robinson, an expert from the University, etc who has been studying the properties of the terra preta, has established that, according to his analysis and that of other experts who have studied this

52:15 type of land, the only explanation for that, had he been able to sustain a position as enormous as the one that could have existed in this discovery of cities of Ecuador, which we were talking about in the first and second blocks would have been to create crops, growing from the terra preta was the only way, at least for Mark Robinson, to support a town, such a large population in this finding that was found in Ecuador. And also, what this Mr mac Robinson, from the University of etcetera, says is that there is a lot more embankment than people could imagine exactly that it has already seemed like a lot of countries and one thing that has seemed a few decades ago. And suddenly, because we realize that good Amazonian cultures, because they had it and in great quantity, I repeat what a pity that they are taking it out of their natural environment by putting it in sack and selling it.

53:08 It seems like a real bestiality to me Finally and let' s continue with all these stories that have to do with the lost cities in the Amazon. To me there was a story that fascinated me a long time ago and that I shared, that I came to write an article with my good friend Pablo Villarrubia Mauso, the Brazilian journalist who is based on the story that for many is the inspiration of Steven Spielberg, from Indiana Jons, the British explorer Perci Faucet. This is a gentleman who made a lot of expeditions to the Amazon, a madman from the Amazon and researching at the National Library of Rio de Janeiro, came across a manuscript that was the manuscript five hundred twelve.

53:55 It is about ten pages written by ancient adventurers, people who were also entering the jungle looking for riches. It is a manuscript that is not clear the date, but is believed to be written around a thousand seven hundred and fifty - three by bandeirants. Bantera Before they are the people who got into the Amazon jungle looking for all kinds of Riches well, because, these go of irantes that go into the jungle in the eighteenth century. What they tell is that they came to discover a city whose entrance was an arcade, arches made of stone. Inside there was a statue and a temple with hieroglyphics that they were not able to identify as any kind of known writing. Faucet Read this document, I repeat the manuscript five hundred twelve at the Library of Rio de Janeiro. Unfortunately, after the fire a few years ago, there is no manuscript. There is a scan of the manuscript, but it was lost and besides this another very important thing happens in Faucet' s life that, by the way, the film that they took out the city of Zeta, that this story is about this, that very bad film and that little were documented.

55:15 Also in what happened in reality, that is, film but terrible, bad in the money I lost going to the cinema with forgiveness of the director and the screenwriter, but they could have read a little more. Anyway, well, it turns out Percie Faucet had a personal friendship with Heider, with Rayder Hagar. Raider Haggard was a very famous writer, who published King Solomon ' s famous book Las Minas. Well, it turns out that one of Hagar' s sons lived on a farm in Mato Grosso, Brazil, and, according to the natives of the area, they took his son a basalt figurine about ten centimeters high, and that basalt figurine of a well- carved and polished black stone. There appeared a character with a rather strange headdress and some tablets, with two tablets, to be exact, with a writing that no one could decipher. Basically. What I was saying was that when people took that figurine, they felt like they had a little electric shock, a thing that he could never explain and that seemed strange to him. He was also obsessed with the fact that this figurine had to do with ancient Atlantis, with a disappeared civilization. The fact is, after reading this manuscript, five

56:49 hundred and twelve more, that figurine, which spoke of a civilization that disappeared in the Mato Grosso. He, along with his son and others, was lost in nineteen- five hundred and twenty- five in the snoring massif in Mato Grosso, and never returned. Some speculate that some indigenous people ate him or that other indigenous people killed him or simply that he was lost because we covered him. We' ll never know. It' s more than one. Another of his sons made an expedition thirty years later to try to find the father' s remains and found us absolutely nothing. The point is that Percy Faucet obsessed with this figurine that gave him hacerr. What he did was to hire a medium who, playing the figurine, began to describe to him an ancient island very large where there was a volcano, where there were temples, where there were people of relatively dark complexion and that this island and that this whole island collapsed, which reinforced the idea in Fauces that the city of Zeta had to do with an atlantean colony, that is, with which part of the atlanteans had been able to reach the Amazon jungle. Decades after Faucet ' s death, there was an Argentine linguist, Aldo Tolengui, who was watching because the figurine, the drawing is, there is not the figurine,

58:22 but there is the decal of the figurine with paper, there is a very detailed drawing of it. Then, this Aldo Tolengui was investigating the figurine, which Percifaucet had in his possession and came to the conclusion that these characters could be seen in the Mediterranean and had to do with a thing called the Libyan script that appears in areas of Algeria and Libya, in the Tuareg territory and that some people even think that it could be older than the cuneiform. But as there are no, these cave paintings have no plant pigments, you can ' t do a carbon fourteen study. So we don' t know exactly how old they are, although there are paintings in the area that are known to be at least ten, twelve, zero years old. The case is that, I repeat Aldo Tolengui, this Argentine linguist, came to the conclusion that it had to do with lyric writing and then he also came to other researchers to think that the man' s headdress, which is a strange headdress, is a hat that around here is like narrower and then, from the top, wider. And yes it is true that if we see ancient drawings of the tribe d I saw him from the Levites, those who could carry the ark of the Covenant, this wonderful technology, the headdress very similar to that of the total Levites that with this from the Libyan script, as I

59:57 had some knowledge by people I met at the Foundation in Arabic euro, do as a small translation of the symbols that more or less understood with a dictionary of roots that is the Mirus Taihi And what the figurine says is at the beginning or at the origin. We record and mark as if to speak of the origin of a city or in a city that gives the beginning of a story that happened before it is recorded in ancient texts that are so metaphorical and strange. It' s not a different thing. And then also how curious that headdress that leads to that character looks like those who appear in the temple of medinavet speak temple of Rancés TEIII in Luxor, where you see the attack of the peoples of the Sea, some villages that never identified where they came from, that attacked different places of the Mediterranean, that also attacked Egypt and that never could be known where they came from. Then. This whole history of the city of Ze that for some would have to see basically at best, not with a city in Roman Greek, as described in the manuscript five hundred twelve, but with the lost city of Kyu Quu, found by the archaeologist of American Michael Heckenberg, about twenty years ago thanks to the tribe of Cuikuros, equal cities lost everywhere in the Amazon. We don' t know

1:01:35 why. It is very strange this of the manuscript five hundred twelve that describes part of a Greek Roman city. Moreover, in the manuscript it says how one of the people, one of the banterants, finds even a gold coin that was very large, quite thick and there is not the coin. That disappeared and Raider Haggard' s figurine was also sold year did not take it to Fauthet. It was sold years later in an antiquarian in Brazil and the owner today we have no idea where it is or if the figurine always and simply disappeared a story that fascinated me by this character in Plan Indiana John of looking for lost cities and things like that, this adventurer from the beginning of the 20th century, who in the end found nothing, but that remained his legend. Alejandro Bernal what do you think of this story, although fascinated first because he has quite interesting elements that connect with other cultures of Antiquity, as you manifested it to us, Roman Greek influence, attacks on the Egyptians, was hearing information Juange and this story became very popular in the United States by an article that was published in the year two thousand five in the New Yorker newspaper, where he made reference to this study of Percy Fause, of this lost city of z and something very interesting. Percy Fauset, in the midst of his own expeditions, came to live with some natives and they say that

1:03:07 this man fed part of this story for the information he received from the direct exchange with these indigenous people and privileged information of these peoples who lived on site, who were able to obtain this information from their ancestors, from people who lived there thousands of years and who were also dealing with the existence of such a place. John was a fascinating story. Yes, which remains curious that, indeed, there was a lost city at the head of the Shingu River, near the Snoring Massif in Mato Grosso. But I repeat, because it is the city of Kikubu that covered, which was discovered just twenty years ago and also, in which there are some small stone walls, which is not usual in the lost Amazon cities, but in cuicuusi then was this the city of Zeta Esteban Cruz You, who are the expert in anthropology, in history.

1:04:00 To me, what I find surprising of the city z as it is called, and of this whole story it also has to do with reports that appeared there, of writings by Fouet and by the people who supposedly were with him, who also say that the remains of Fauces are in a museum, the bones have them stored there in Brazil, which speaks of strange creatures. And that' s what I find most fantastic, because within these texts, Foucet and his expedition claim to have found spiders the size of a dog They say that they had seen a spider the size of a German shepherd dog and also said that they spoke to them that there were magical creatures at the bottom of the forest. And it' s just that the Amazon is really full of things we don' t know yet. It is a gigantic territory the size of Western Europe, full of jungles, where we still do not know what there is. And they also talk about there are a lot of human groups that have found themselves and surely groups without contact there, living, that they knew in the depths of the jungles, of secret things. So, what scares me from the whole story you' ve told me, John, and that they' ve told us and that all the time it comes out is that there' s talk of creatures that for us can be fabulous of this moment. But every year new animals are discovered, not even in the jungle. Here in Colombia, every time they say a new type of dog, a type of dog forgiveness, not a spider dog, a new type of gold, a new type of amphibian frog. But you imagine, that

1:05:31 is what faucet says is or what those who were with them spiders the size of a dog who supposedly hid under stones or were clinging to trees. They also talked about a lot of roads that appeared in front of them and that they were sure they would soon find a great civilization, because they saw roads in the jungle, something that many people still say they find there. I have spoken to some explorers, not titles, but natives. When I go there people who say no, sometimes I go on the boat and I' m going to know what there is and they say sometimes I find roads in the jungle as if someone had opened a trocha, and that doesn' t make sense if there aren' t people. No, it' s not all crazy. I remember a while ago Alejandro and I did him in an interview with Sebastián Almeida, who is a gentleman who has a travel agency in Ecuador and who makes traditions in the cave of the stems. And he was telling us it' s the cave of the stems. There are spiders that are about thirty to forty centimeters in diameter. If he said spider, stor a thing like that tells me it was a thing. I tell you something absurd, but the size and a dog of a Chihuahua dog got them to Yes? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? That is one thing, but tremendous And indeed, and what is undiscovered, Camilo Manjarrea, what do you think of the history of Percif Fouzet, because John, in fact, as you said, this van, the Amazon keeps many mysteries and this city,

1:07:02 starting this manuscript and the whole history of pause reminds me very much of a discovery a few years ago known as The Amazon Stoneheash. I don' t know if you' ve heard it all of a sudden, but we ' re all there, because imagine Juan gel that I share with the listeners that in the Amazon something is called the Amazon Stonehash and it' s precisely a megalithic monument located twenty kilometers west of the municipality of Calzoenny, that for those who don' t know is the Brazilian State of Amapa to the north, more or less of Brazil and that I miss it to fall. Juange, which is this megalithic complex, is a group of one hundred and twenty - seven stones that measure approximately three meters in height and are arranged in a circular way and with the particularity of Juange, of having a shadow that disappears in the winter solstice, which researchers believe this place was used as an astronomical observatory site. Likewise, Juange is relatively young this finding, since it has been stipulated that it is roughly between five and two thousand years old and according to the dating that was made through radiometrics of sel XIV, which took samples from ceramics, which found ceramics near this place, they dated that it is

1:08:32 between five and two thousand years old. The most important thing is that the Instituto de Patrimonio Historia Artesanal Nacional de Brasil and the Instituto de Pesquisas Científicas y Tecnológicas de Amapa were in charge of studying this megalithic complex and, indeed, they were those who tied between five hundred and two thousand years old, something known as the Amazon stonehsh, which is quite interesting. I don' t think it' s a fascinating story. The amount of stuff we have in the Amazon that we don' t really know. I did not know, for example, what Camilo Mancarrel was saying to me and I was coming to mind, for example, that here we also have a very interesting place, that is St Augustine, the necropolis of St Augustine, which is also very related to that environment of Selva and where chieftains of the Amazon rainforest went.

1:09:31 To be buried understanding that this place, which is close to the source of the Magdalena River, was a door to the beyond, that is, that the interconnection between the Amazonian villages was tremendous and that the number of cities lost in the time there is something, since we could never know what. Scientific studies now very recent are showing us that there are thousands of cities and some enor, but that there is much more left. To know. Alejandro Barnalung on this Amazonian Stomhensh, the one who spoke to us on purpose, at this moment, on my Twitter arroba le bernal presco. I' m going to share with you an article published by the New York Times in the year two thousand sixteen where you talk about this finding and it' s very interesting Juan Ge because he was basically found on the ranch of a farmer from Llson Camelos da Silva. Basically there were these structures, this kind of megaliths there abandoned on a ranch, on a farm and when the experts went to test them for carbon fourteen, the preliminary measurements Juan Ge established that they would be a thousand years old, that is, five centuries before the arrival of the European conquerors, a finding that puts the history upside down and that reiteros.

1:10:55 I' m going to share them through my Twitter. Thank you very much for n n n NS. What do you think of this whole fauce story, all this kind of megaliths and everything we need to discover in the jungle. I think the Amazon is so big that there can be anything there. And above all, I want you to imagine this. If megalithic constructions, if large lost cities, such as Troy, were not found after years of searching in lands where they can be practically seen by the naked eye, because they are flat, deserted places or with little vegetation. Imagine the jungle, that is, you leave the jungle, stop pruning it for ten years and already cover the entire jungle advances, Trees grow, ferns arise, floods and droughts are frequent. If you in a city like today Iquitos, Peru, which is one of the largest or the ende to stop cutting the grass, stop cutting it what you start to do. Stop painting the house. Well, in a year, that sheath doesn' t exist anymore. They grow trees and break and destroy everything. Imagine what it is will be a stone city in the middle of the forest in twenty years. It' s impossible to see, because the jungle grows fast and covers everything. If, for example, a large number of cities have not been found in Greek Europe, i e it lasted a long time to meet, I say Troy again.

1:12:27 Imagine the big cities that could exist in the Amazon today are completely covered with trees, and I think that if you went there right at that very point where you were, there could be nothing. There could be nothing, because trees and plants have literally eaten everything. So I think that is the great mystery of the Amazon, that, because of biological conditions and climatic conditions, it is very difficult for these civilizations to be found or as it is said that in Colombia it was swallowed by the Manegua Alejandra Ferna eleven, about cui cogo there is a very interesting story. When anthropologists and archaeologists began to study it, they realized that there were serious indications that where this city of Cuicubu was located hundreds of years ago, there could be approximately a network of twenty cities on the site. They found how these ruins and, according to the preliminary calculations of these experts, in this area could have lived up to fifty zero people, i e, imagine the size of Juange and the amount of population that existed in this part. This is South America Jun is crazy.

1:13:39 Indeed, Wiko says she was able to house fifty- zero people, a real madness. But if we want to curl the curl, it' s a couple of minutes away. But go that Camilo Manjarrea does not expand it and if there were even pyramids in the Amazon, Camilo Manjarres that is the hill of the cone And yes, juanje well, the hill of the cone is a possible mountain covered with vegetation. What' s going on, Juange? This hill is located in the Sierra del Divisor National Park, as we have been speaking in the Amazon, precisely in the Peruvian Amazon, it is facing the limit of the departments of Ucayali and Loreto. This structure, which has been researched, is totally natural, has characteristics like an Egyptian pyramid, that is, the total form of a pyramid. There are some legends about this landscape and some natives believe that this hill, and according to oral traditions, is actually a spirit that lives inside this mountain, which, therefore, emerged among the soils to protect the local population. Other natives of this region.

1:14:57 They rather believe and maintain that it was a pyramid built a long time ago by some unknown native population. One thing that is very interesting in this structure is that in this region of Cerro del Cono inhabits a native town that, voluntarily they want to live in isolation. In other words, they are not interested in contact with civilization and some believe that they can be a little dangerous, as they are voluntarily isolated from this area, as I have mentioned, because it is practically areas of little intervention on the part of foreign hands, since it is practically virgin. It is a little explored place and has a large ecosystem and biological communities that are clearly endemic. John, i e, he doesn' t have any noise contaminated by outsiders. One thing that is very interesting in this part, Juan Esteban and listeners and distant is that a few years ago, a local newscast from Peru called La Voz de Todo Perú or RPP, published a very interesting news Juan that something similar to what happened here in Colombia, and is that the inhabitants near this place mentioned that they were observing beings of quite strange appearance, that some believed they could be humanoids, something very similar to the case of the humanoids of zarzal Valle,

1:16:28 that on more than one occasion we have mentioned and Camilo Mancarres was talking about a place that is the hill of the cone, that it is good if you see the photos, it is a middle plain of the jungle to all, but super jungle closed and in the middle of what looks like a pyramid that is natural genius, but that of the strange beings, yes, that did not know, as they describe their strange places and how that story is. Camilo Manjarres, yes, Juan That' s good. Then, returning the people who live near this mentioned region that there were beings of quite large appearance, about a meter ninety two meters that they believed and assumed were extraterrestrial beings, or so they said, because they had never seen them and thus had no human characteristics. This case caught quite an impact in Peru. He made it to the news. Obviously, the relevant authorities investigated this whole issue and the Public Prosecutor' s Office of Peru reported Juane and listeners that it was not really extraterrestrial beings, Chinese from different foreign mafias, both Brazilians and sadly Colombians, who were clandestinely extracting gold. But what happened Juan, that here I open a parenthesis and I find it interesting to mention that good for

1:18:00 romanticizing the violence. But sadly, in Latin America, armed conflicts have been very marked. No, and I believe that an indigenous community that is sadly marked by these conflicts can determine when it is perhaps a group outside the law or an unknown being. So I don' t think adult people can identify between a normal person or a human being and how they' re mentioning it. The only thing we can know is that, because the Public Prosecutor' s Office of Peru mentioned that these were not external factors such as these mafias. But for some natives of this region and inhabitants of this region mention that they did not, because they saw it with their own eyes and saw that they were not human. Something similar to what happened at Tsar Salvaje with the subjects of the humanoids. There, in zarzal in the year two thousand and twelve. And besides, what is commenting to Camilo man Harre also puts on the table something that I think is fascinating and this ban Cruz is a topic that knows quite well how many uncontacted villages are left in the Amazon rainforest.

1:19:08 Look at this, many of these peoples know that we exist. We simply fear them with all reason in the world, because it was the Spaniards first and then the rubber era came. More now the Garinmpeiros or the people who exploit illegal mining and then all that that kind of illegal groups do now and all the brutes who entered in centuries ago is burden them with what is normal and many of these villages or I recommend you a documentary that is called the first contact that there is in Netflix all these villages, some of them, well because they are relatively violent when they find a person who is not of their ethnicity or group. Esteban Cruz, how is this whole history of uncontacted villages in the Amazon. Yes, Juan Gente. But before that I would like to point out something about what was being talked about about the cone and that is really amazing, and it is that it remembers a story that when I am anthropology at the National University, I had been told and that after that it caught my attention a lot, and that is that in a thousand nine hundred and seventy- six, a NASA satellite that was somehow mapping the earth, took some very strange pictures in an area called Mother of God There in the province of Manu, in Peru, and what they found was a kind of pyramid aligned stellarly very similar to that of Egypt. Twelve pyramids almost all, according to a researcher of that time, who was called Rolando s

1:20:42 latar Stambook, seemed similar to him almost in longitude and latitude to where those of Guisa were. And then, in a thousand nine hundred and seventy- six memories there was that news that there were pyramids in the middle of the Amazon. I followed this and remember that one Japanese expo who went there in nine hundred something I do not remember well the date, which was dry. And in a thousand nine hundred and ninety- six he was another explorer. That one I remember is an American Gregory of Yerme Yan and I remember that he went there with other people and took the first pictures of what we know today as the pyramids of Pantiacoya that remain in Peru, and reminds me a little bit of the story of the cone, because those pyramids of Pantiacoya.

1:21:29 Today they are there in the middle of the jungle. One can see hills full of trees next to the Mother of God River, and many say that beneath it there is a formation of pyramids similar to those of Egypt. So it is not the only case of this famous case of the cone, of the famous cone, but these pyramids of Pantiacoya, which many say, because they are part of what was the Guyanese shield, which is an ancient geological formation that was worn out where I was Amazonia, like the sawmill, the macarena. There are others that we have here in Colombia, but many say yes, yes, there could be pyramids and civilizations, because the Amazonia was not always a jungle and millennia have passed and then, perhaps there, the vestiges of another humanity, of another humanity that was lost in space and time, because over time, because everything was ending. And what we have are memories of those lost cities and continents, like Atlantis No and many others around the world. What are those pyramids of Pantiacoya, what the hell are geological formations or there' s something else. No one has done official excavations there naty no, because what madness it is first that it is not finished and then you notice, because, just as people say from here in Colombia and pyramid, they believe that no and look we have the pyramid of the morro of Turcano and, moreover, in the middle of the city of Popayán.

1:22:50 So it' s all a very, very crazy subject. Hey, Esteban. This is the subject of the good uncontacted tribes left in Ecuador. In addition, there was a monk a few years ago quite crude, in which appeared, for example, a woman pierced by a spear by tribal wars between uncontacted tribes. Well, here in Colombia, I don' t even know how many tribes it is without contact. In Chiribiquete National Park there are uncontacted tribes also in Peru. I think there' s a lot in Peru. Besides that there are very spectacular images in this documentary that I told you in first contact, for example, when they arrive in an area, to an Amazonian village and because they are hungry and take and take bananas and things have no concept of private property or absolutely nothing. It' s just another one.

1:23:39 It is as if someone of the stone age arrives right now and stands here before us, it is another concept of life. There are uncontacted tribes. It is also spoken to the north of Bolivia, in Madrid in other words, and I think it is best that they continue without contacting them, that they continue. Second of all, why integrate here. Although well, in that same documentary many anthropologists in what they want to go out and come, because the social evolution is that. Everyone as you like. Yes, in Brazil there is a state organization called the FUNAI, and they are experts in that, because in Brazil there is said to be a large number, the largest number of uncontacted groups. Then there would be Bolivia and Venezuela in Colombia we also have groups, but there are some stories juange that are quite interesting. When you talk to many indigenous groups, with people from the jungle, for example, the muinani here in Colombia, the Psychoani, who are on the plains, or for example, when you talk to other indigenous people like the putumayo cofan, the Putumayo jungles. They all have some super weird stories, because they all talk about other people at the bottom of the jungles, and some call them the brave Indians, because they say they are much more violent and much more aggressive, and others talk about very strange things.

1:24:51 I remember a lot talking to some muinane Teudosio Becerra, professor at the National University, already deceased. He told me incredible stories like that they had heard that in the background there were indigenous groups, of white indigenous people, of white indigenous people who were blond with green eyes and that some had found them and that they were hidden in the jungle and that they were indigenous, but white, as if at some point in history some Portuguese or some Spaniards had been lost and still lived in the middle of the jungle and they even spoke Spanish. Sometimes she also told me that as a Spanish variable. Sometimes he also told me that as a child he saw how hunters had brought him, some very strange objects that looked like a Spanish wasteland and copper pieces and that they had been shown to him, that they had been taken from a rival indigenous group. I also remember that there are in some mythologys also of those very nan groups and a greeting that they called itoto. They said that there was a kind of little red dwarf beings that lived under the earth and that at some points in the Amazon come out. Others talk about cities that are under water, about lagoons. Others talk about creatures that are luminous, luminous humanoid beings that live within the jungle and care for it and that protect it and that leave no one between then. This uncontacted group thing is about to

1:26:23 be explored. There' s a lot of them. It is believed that, for example, in Colombia it was to give at least two more in the Chichiliquete area and also in the Guaynia and Baupés area. It is believed that, for example, if you were FUNAI officers in Brazil there should be at least eight or nine groups. In Ecuador, there is also talk of Peru. Even a while ago a group of them attacked Peruvian oil tankers, a group of Peruvian explosions, and left only axes nailed there and no one knows who attacked. So there' s a lot in the Amazon that you still don' t know, and you don' t know what' s really going on in an unknown land, full of legend, magic and where there are still people who live in the stone age and it' s possible that they' re happier than us, who live in the 21st century.

1:27:13 And besides all these wonders, because we also have unknowns that have to do with geology, nature, because one of the things, when we were preparing the program that Camilo Manjarré sent me, that I had no idea, is Camilo Manjarres there a river in the Amazon that is boiling. How so. Yes, Juange. In fact, this is quite curious, because this story much if it was believed to be fictitious, that it was unreal, because John and I share with him the listeners at the time of the Colony, when they were looking for that obbula city of the Doravi more, many assets mentioned that to get there they had to go through a river going well in the Amazon that was quite hot and that if they got to get into that river, they died instantly. What happens Juan, who for a long time so to speak, explorers or academia did not find this river as such, but some native communities did know about the existence of this river. With the passage of time, people were forgetting this story until they were completely forgotten.

1:28:30 But what' s going on? This river, located in the Amazon, is more than six kilometers and the waters reach temperatures juan than Alejo and Esteban of eighty degrees centigrade. The first records of the boiling river, as Juan Ge is colloquially known, date back to the 16th century, more or less. But then what happens Juan Ge normally, not only in the Amazon, but in different parts of the world. The boiling rivers run close to volcanic systems and so, because they have all this heat from the heat emitted by this material. But what' s going on in the Amazon? There is or is not purchased that there is a nearby volcano to warm these waters.

1:29:19 Moreover, this boiling river, which is in the Amazon Forest near Peru, does not have a volcano near it either, because the volcano closest to Peru, good closest. This river is about seven hundred kilometers away. Then they do not know how this river reaches eighty- five degrees Celsius according to the accounts of John Stephen and Listeners and Alexius. The native communities attribute this to a rather interesting legend, a myth that speaks about a rather fantastic being and is a being called deacumama the yacumama would be a sagrave snake that, therefore, takes care of this whole region, this whole river, and that takes care of the people who live near this place. Likewise, the inhabitants living near this river use the boiling river water to make tea and cook. That is a pretty crazy thing, since they have mentioned and analyses have been made that water does not know sulfur and neither because it emits suffers no, since there is no biothermic system that warms the waters. It' s more cool than the most interesting thing is that you don' t know anything about how these waters are hot. Moreover, if they have bought that the water is in a certain way clean and therefore are used by the native Communions to make

1:30:50 rituals, whether traditional medicine and so on, according to research, it is mentioned that a powerful source of heat is needed to be able to produce all this manifestation or thermal so large, because it is that this river is totally boiling. Some experts, John who Ya Far and Esteban have researched both from the vulcanologists' side and the geothermal side and, as I mentioned, give us an answer to how this is so hot. Basically, Juangel already to be finished, the water could come or well, according to what they have been able to investigate in the hypotheses that there is, because there is no absolute answer or an answer about why it heats up. It is that basically the water could come from the glaciers of the Andes that, filtered to the depth of the earth, returns and rises to the surface and then sprouts in a way of boiling water and that is why it is heated from what they believe. But it is not an absolute answer. Finally, this river as such officially appears in the year two thousand eleven, because there is a person named Andrew Russian, who is the one who discovered this river, even though the native communities already knew him. But officially in the two thousand eleven it is that the BBC Nadjil and this lady between Russian is the one who talk

1:32:21 about this river that for a long time was thought to be something totally fictitious. I' ll come back and say it absolutely. No one knows so far why it gets so hot and, as I said, they reach temperatures up to eighty- five degrees Celsius. This sounds crazy to me. That is to say, it seems to me crazy that in the year two thousand eleven it is established that this legend that was before the indigenous, it is real that we have no idea why the river is hot, because I what little there I read such, but that is that you get into the river and the body, that is to say it burns you, it dies yes, and moreover, that they catch and use in the water until as for medicinal purposes and legs, when the water of the Amazon rivers can not be consumed or anything, because it has a lot of vegetable elements and such and it is super gives you a diarrhea that you die or is super toxic.

1:33:13 So this is remegalous. Esteban Cruz, you knew this story. Yes, a John who did know her and is one of the great mysteries. Actually, as Camilo says, the interesting thing is that you don' t know very well where that hot water comes from. Not because we know that there is thermal water that comes out of the groundwater streams that are heated with the flows of magma or near to where there are volcanoes. But in this case, in the middle of the Amazon, this water is really amazing because it comes out hot. Indigenous people use it as medicinal water. Many times the explorers who have gone make tea take a glass of water, heat it up and take a bag of tea and make it and take it and do not get sick because the thermal water usually comes with sulfur, as they have said, and it comes out completely clean. Moreover, it is cleaner because the heat is sterilized. The parasites are dead, if the bugs are dead.

1:34:20 It' s a river of boiling water, no one knows where the hell it comes from. Then the most interesting thing is the myths and legends, because many of the groups say that this is the water of the gods, no, that is the water that was created by the Spirits. No, and of course it' s a relatively clean source, because of course you take water from the Amazon. Indigenous people know what water to drink and what water not to drink. If the river is black, if the river is white, if the river and they tell to see if you take the river coming black. You' re going to get sick, you' re going to get amoebas, you' re going to get gastroenteritis, you can die, but you don' t see it here like the water of medicine. Of course because today we know the indigenous people may not have known from the western point of view that after you heat water, because it dies, everything dies, or most of the things that hurt. This comes like this, but it comes without sulfur and so comes the elements of a water that would come from a deposit that could be volcanic. So, where the hell are you coming from? Water? I don' t know if it' s a crazy thing. Alexander Gobernal Ong. Along the river there are some areas where it has a temperature below forty degrees Celsius and some of the locals use them as hot springs, because because of the temperature it is a water that revitalizes, which has many properties for health. But the crazy thing about these games is that, while observing this temperature difference, some researchers realized that some animals that had bad luck or fell or went to these waters were cooked immediately

1:35:55 in the areas where that of this boiling river exceeded eighty degrees Celsius, an absolute madness and a numality of which it is unknown why this high temperature of this holy day river, what a story, the truth is that it is a super crazy topic. Not and like many things in the Amazon, which gives everything to investigate, it is also practically nothing, just that it is a challenge and that it is there that makes this area so especially magical. Well, gentlemen, we' re already coming to the end of the program, so let' s go with the conclusion of the conclusions and the closing of each of the guests. Camilo Manjarrés, my friend, your conclusion your closing and tell us you would go to the Amazon to take a Juange walk first than swim. Thank you very much for the invitation. Thanks to You to Far they go to each one of the listeners and John ge clear that I would like to go and in fact so quickly I would like to know what is called the flying rivers of the Amazon, that is, it is very curious originate in the amosonic region and they are a stream too much of vapor Juange that ascends from the Amazonian vegetation and then travels thousands of kilometers as if they were rivers in the sky and from the perspective rivers appear that are flying and it has been calculated that the amount of water that can carry these vapors would be more or less thirty tons of water a day then imagine being

1:37:26 in the Amazon and seeing a river in the sky and nothing happy to be here and a pleasure to share with each one of you. I' m fascinated by the Amazon theme, Camila Banjarras, your social networks, your YouTube channel for people to follow, they can follow me both on YouTube and Instagram, as a mystery or with double hysteria. Strip the dark floor. With many thanks, my friend, to this Ban Cruz your conclusion and your closing an incredible theme, that theme of mysteries, of the jungle mystery of the Amazon. And I would like to say about Jorge that many times I have also spoken to Colombian military. In conclusion, they say that when they have been they have already seen incredible things, but incredible and nothing can follow me there on my social networks, like Cruz writing on YouTube. I have a channel. There are plenty of interviews with these soldiers. I have a writing Cruz pair called on YouTube and I have a book. If you are interested in being called Records x Colombia, you consider it anywhere. Records x Colombia, where there are very similar cases, also cases of the jungle, mysteries of the manigua and your channel of youtubeb the audios of writing Gruz, truth, yes, Mr Cross writing. You write writing Cross there, Writing Cross Stories. Whatever' s out there, they' re undersigned. Free of charge. Thank you, Don Jua Jesús, thank you very much, my friend, Alejandra Bernaldo. Conclusion of your closing. I think it is one of the mysteries that fascinated us most in John than at least those that we live in this part of the world, because we have it even close and part of the Amazon in Colombia, much of South America, possesses this great wonder, this great mystery still to be discovered, the great pulpmoood of the

1:39:02 world, an epicenter of mystery of wonder of many things to discover. And clearly, I think, Jorge, that to the extent that the years and decades go by, the Amazonianus will continue to keep many surprises and I can continue on social networks, on Twitter, Instagram and tiktok in front of prescos lebernal and if you like my work, I invite you to subscribe to my YouTube channel. Mandra mysteries Mandragora mysteries on YouTube. Well, I think I love the Amazon so much if it' s a jungle that hypnotized me, because when I go to it I forget the world we live in. I go to the past a past of magic mystery adventure, where the shamans whisper to the wind and listen to them ancient and powerful. Gods are a land of magic, a land with countless things to discover, a land that has made us feel free, because it sticks like no other to nature, a nature that can be kind, since in the Amazon there are countless plants that are medicinal and a nature that can be ponzoñosa, since there are countless elements, of plants, of animals, of insects that can end your life.

1:40:24 And maybe that' s why it' s so special, because in the Amazon, you learn to live the moment that is momentous, letting yourself be carried away by the whisper of insects at night, a sort of hidden voice that arises in the early mornings and tells us of preterite times, where man was free and never, never forget that we live in a magical world, because it' s full of mystery