#331 WWDC'24 al descubierto: iOS 18 con IA, Telegram y USA vs Apple

0:08 Hello. Very good night, how are you, how are you welcome, welcome Alice in Nacole Life episode three hundred and thirty- one. Today we don' t have an exciting podcasting night. We are all very hot with the iPad theme, with the Wold White Developer Conference theme, with the artificial intelligent theme ay is eighteen Apple Vision Pro and many more things we have ahead, as I tell you, a program certainly on an exciting podcast night. Very good Antonio Recio. How are you, how are you, girls, how are you? There we are heard well, well, not perfect. From here in Valmoral de la Farada, in the Canary Islands. Ah no wait, wait Ostia sorry, I think not, no. No, since the playita playita vacation or well, as nothing enjoy the holidays of Easter yus of torrijas and artito. I haven' t tried any yet. Uncle look, David Sanchez, where you are, where you are. I' m at my close house in Madrid today. I just got back today. That ' s right, I' m telling you. I' ve become scarce now. But well, well prepared to give everything and with the themes we bring, we have many, many themes. I don' t know if everyone will be in a Pedro Rivas show horita how about good night, how you' re welcome from Madrid. I really want to be with you again.

1:27 I haven' t been here for two weeks, and you' ve put my long teeth in discord. I said I was really looking forward to it and let' s see if we' re talking about little things from my iPad, Apple, the World Way Conference. Or yes, well, let' s say good night. Hey, we' ve moved on to discord on the subject of telegram polemics. Maybe we' ll talk tonight, which will give us time. We' ve moved to discord. Then the VIP community is this hour in discord and we have Joseph among us, José Te, today pedro who is baptized like him and is watered, Well, my mother, eye eye you are in apocalypse, but who has said that pardon, José Te, José Te del podcast, from the corner of Fusete.

2:13 But Jose looks good, damn it, of course I did. I could call the pope, no, but less that joke. I' ve done it to him many times, but he says no. No, no, you' ve been told, you' ve been told by people who see well that indeed, that I' m handsome, I say well, you' re very Guapo Pedro, welcome from Madrid, Josélain welcome from the Canary Islands. Good night, family, so look. Here are other little amanitas more than Easter week' s week and nothing to not give it all tonight. Let' s give him everything tonight. And what we' re not going to give is iPad, because the iPad hasn' t come out yet. Not even the iPad. Eir, there were rumors last week that maybe the pro was late, but that er could come out on Tuesday 26 March. And that' s not even what I mean. It' s almost Thursday and the iPad hasn' t come out yet and I think we ' re going to open at least Antonio, such fatal. I think those of us who are expecting some of those products and I expect something, but I can never hope better said. But people like Pedro, who are crazy lost there with the product coming out, imagine, have to be happy Pedro.

3:30 From the chat we have the corner of Joseta that tells us where the lightd of Pedrito, Pedrito, you are eating your nails. Hey me, I' m eating my nails because I already feel like it. I was hoping that two or three weeks ago we were introduced to it' s iPad pro. What I have to doubt I don' t know how you see it is the reasons for the delay. I don' t know if it ' s why I know. Marketing theme, production theme, theme that they want to rush closer to the developer conference, theme that is not really ready. He' s got me a little lost. Not because we always had a kin out there. So spring of early spring this year no and more, and that means more than waiting for the iPad than I well I mean me, I know I' ve been waiting for the iPad pro like May water. He' s got me a little lost in these months. Sapple, don' t mean what he' s going to do, because he ' s not going to do an akin anymore or he shouldn' t have announced it, or he might announce it or he might take it out with another one. I got lost in Apple on this two, twenty- four, and you guys got me freaked out, and totally if you haven' t gone out yet, the iPads are' cause they' re up to something. There' s some theory out there that we have in the PIP DEISA group. I think he was commenting yesterday. Says man, if the iPads haven' t come out, maybe it' s all over the move you have now over America' s demand, that we' ll talk about

5:03 it also because of the changes in the European Union, that we' ll talk about it tonight as well. And maybe it' s that Apple' s at a delicate moment and maybe they' re focusing on other places. And maybe that' s why the iPads, who look like they' re coming out this month, are running late or not. Or maybe Escapper' s making some fat stuff we' ll see soon. We will comment today on the program three hundred and thirty- one Delis in Nacodela and we will greet the people who are in Chandra, nice people who are entering the chat, Frank Hill and Iván Eduardo, the corner of José te. We have Juan Luis Ugalde Moreno, we have JRC Mundo sn totaque that we have José Antonio Morante, we have Raúl macías no ticul Luisin García pires that as you are friend my power By, Pedro, Luis d B d Alex Luna good night. All of you who are entering the border will give prominence to all your comments and we put a little rock for the body and take over.

6:02 But I already challenged one thing, so I haven' t been here for two weeks and they don' t know what I wanted to say. Sergio pomos the guitar. We' re going to s s s s te, because it' s official. Apple announced this week that the week of June 10- 14 will have Wold White Developer Conference. Specifically on Monday, June 10th, we will start with a presentation where we will learn about the new software from all Apple platforms. Eighteen MacOS, fifteen visions, two and maybe something related to City. There, on Twitter, Greg Just Wiyac, Apple ' s Vice President of Marketing, has said on Twitter or on x Com has referred to a rather curious comment. I' m gonna prick you guys, okay, and we' re gonna see it. Well, I' m talking about it, and now I' m pinching it. It says just that wiet saying this is going to be absolutely amazing with the a and

7:38 the I in capital, saying it' s I artificial intelligence in English. Watch out. Eye with the wink that gives us the Creck bonus, because it seems to me that there are certainly going to come things of artificial intelligent in this well way of Ploper Conference. I' m gonna go talk about it I' m gonna pin it, yeah, which is what I' m gonna tell you. No, I think I have two big Incas. I have three unknowns at our developer conference. First, artificial intelligence of what everyone is talking about how Apple is going to integrate it. Summarizing still a lot and a dressing gown. I think we all agree that you' re going to do it your way, your way, on iron, GPT and so on. Second, you can talk about the Developers' Conference in general or the AI. Let' s talk about it, let' s talk about the difference. Yeah, okay, well. The second thing that I ' m very curious about is how it' s going to coordinate the different operating systems or whether it' s going to bend to the operating systems that it' s going to implement in an Apple European or it' s going to go on with well, let' s say it' s involved in having an operating system that' s not complying with the regulation of digital markets in the United States other than the European Union. I am very, very curious, because knowing how it is going to solve But, that is,

9:11 we already know that this involves the implementation of the law on digital markets in the European Union. It' s almost an operating system or new, so I want to see how far Apple is going to take that to the Developers Conference. And thirdly, one thing I' m pretty obsessed with, with the Developers' Conference. I say this year after year by these dates, but I still have hope for IPA two, or that it will be the year. Please, it wasn' t last year, it wasn' t two years ago, it wasn' t to borrow. But there aren' t two more things. I mean, I' m sorry to repeat myself, but things you don' t need a MAC with, I mean, I don' t care if I work differently. I don' t care that things will be different. Ask for a MacOS, but I ask you to really miss night on a trip, a mac and I can pack an iPad without fear. It' s not gonna happen. That' s not gonna happen. Pedro, we all have that hope at work and it' s not going to happen. It' s not going. But don' t think that perhaps the delay of the iPads indicates that we could go through an iPad post more caneño and that maybe the new iPads would come out the WELBWI Developer conferences say or you know this is iPad s and these are the

10:41 new iPads that take advantage of all the new ones that are coming. I was about to tell you. Done, when you put the other day on discord, I don' t know what you put on as a good thing or announce the Developers' Conference, but Peter' s iPad still doesn' t come to such. So I thought, it didn' t give me time to write it down, but I thought jo or if you ginais that they' re booking at least the new iPad for the presentation at the Developers ' Conference, which we already know is not a propitious or natural scenario for Howard to come forward. We know that, but sea has once passed. No, but it' s a good thing that this new disease is so integrated, with the new CYPADAs and with a m3. I don' t know what, that really ten in functionalities that relate to the new operating system presented and such I don' t know. I' ll leave it there.

11:31 There' s a lot of dreaming. I know what, but well, fuck it would be fine. I mean, it could be a reason we' ve been introduced to iPads yet. But who knows is that you learn that I don' t wish, I say you pass, Peter I mean, I totally agree. I wish, come in, but I' m also sure it won' t happen, I mean. Antonio is telling me unbelieving and such, but it' s just that I think it' s not going to happen, that is Apple' s headstrong and he' s already got uncle and believer I' m telling Pedro, uh, ah, okay, okay, okay, well, but for two sure, of course, that' s right with his head or he' s got Apple.

12:15 Let' s just say it. We want a more similar operating system, that is. I' m not gonna tell Sonoma Aventura anymore, I ' m gonna tell Macco s lion I mean. I' m going to go to the remote past, I' m going to go to the basic, to the most basic, something like that, to Maco alone I, to me I would use an iPad but we have nothing or half like it. It' s also true that many of us have the iPhone and we say well, because when I have the Mac, which is my main working tool, you hear out of the home with the iPhone, I practically do everything. Even I defend that Max is doing very well, because I practically do everything with the iPhone. It' s just that the iPad is the same as the iPhone. It takes him away. We ask for things from the iPad that the iPhone doesn' t even do. It is welcome that when they have a twin operating system, the iPad will do more than the iPhone. But it is not for me to open a debate. Opens a melon you can give for an entire podcast, which is the future, the future of Lipad as a device. That is what you would repaint it seems to us that they are in a valley state the iPad, that well, that it had a rise, that everyone had an iPad and that a moment has come as of relaxation. That curve and it needs something to reinvent itself and to separate itself, to separate itself even more from the iphoneo because there were i conatos, there were attempts, we solved ourselves. But it doesn

13:46 ' t feel like having at hand an iPhone fifteen pro Max, you don ' t miss the iPad says buff so that I' m going to catch the lipast is that it' s going to do the same to me, the Life isn' t really there. That IPA reinvention. VI is necessary. Or not. Same. No, anyway, there' s no repo, no, but it' s true that the IPA would have to take a step forward. Likewise, hair you zero seven. He tells us in the chat Pedro that he would make you work on an iPad because you don ' t understand what he wants, what you want, the shortcomings you say the iPad has, what they are. You can detail it a little bit. Yes, I want to do a podcast with the iPad, that is we have said it sometimes I repeat it a lot, but choosing the source of output and audio input seems to me a basic thing that an iPad pro at least an iPad pro has to have, so I put myself on the MAC I am doing the podcast the following way. I have the aird pots and the audio output, obviously that' s why the audio input is from the microphone. I can' t do this, at least natively on an iPad. There is another problem that is true that it is not from Apple, but it is from developers, and well I include in Apple developer.

14:54 I work with the swied offind a lot. And the irthel isn' t the same on mac on iPad. And the word is not the same on mac as on iPad. You can work, yes, but at the same level of perfection and professionalism, that is, at the same level pro because I believe that not I honestly, I notice many shortcomings. There is another thing that maybe what we dedicate ourselves to right or to gestures or economists and such because this I listen to him, is a recurrent complaint from our compañero Martín It is, for example, in the management of digital certificates is horrible.

15:35 On the lipad you can' t manage massively digital customer certificates. The problem is that you don' t just manage digital certificates to cede hacienda anymore, you have to juggle pirouettes to put the digital certificate in a PDF. It' s just that we' ve been specifically talking about tough David and I arguing for four or five podcasts if there was an application that to put on the digital certificate and to sign on a PDFO and such on the MAC on Windows is very easy. The point is, in the LIPAN, not the fucking summary. He' s a long way from here. What I say is not to be afraid to take the iPad a week or two days of work without missing anything. That' s my experience and I love the iPad. I mean. I love iPad. I' m waiting for the iPad pro, but I think it' s Rankedipa two. That little point I insist is that I don' t want the philosophy of maco. I don' t want to work like a mac, but fuck you get the same functionalities. We had zamen on the chat and as big as I was on Twitch waiting for a crack hug, it' s true. It' s been two episodes since we left Twitch and we' re centralizing everything on YouTube. The truth is, I didn' t make sense of Twitch anymore, because I, I know, most people come to YouTube. So when we were alone on Twitch, because obviously everyone goes there and we have other numbers. But now, as most come to YouTube, we have decided that

17:07 we want the live ones only on YouTube. I hope you understand in the end it' s the same. I think we always share the YouTube link. I hope it won' t be a problem. Guys, okay, I have a little thing to nuance, come on, baptize. Add to what Pedro said, and I think the iPad is also being treated like a big iPhone, that is, like developers that I' m not blaming developers that much of the blame is on Apple sorry, yes, but of course, you can' t offer me the same interface on the iPhone as much as you have the screen on the iPhone as on a 12- inch iPad, right, they have to be different. They have to offer another series of functions the moment you separate operating systems you get an iPad you have to evolve, as you well say, on that computer with larger screen bring new interface and also new features. Of course and the truth is, it seems that Apple itself is leaving the iPad for some reason we don' t know, because we' re seeing the last three years. Practically how functions reach the iPhone and these functions do not reach the iPad. They get to the iPad. A year later the Witchets arrived the home screen on the iPhone and the Lepa arrived a year later and each year the same happens. This year

18:41 we still have shortcomings on the iPad that we will surely see you next year. Then it is not surprising that, being a twin operating system practically the same, there are limitations of absurd functions. What you' re saying, Mams, is that it wouldn' t have cost you anything to implement this already on the iPad and you have the same team. But, as David rightly says, with a different interface, with a larger screen, because with an interface adapted for that large screen. I don' t know. I don' t know if Apple' s set aside the iPad theme. You Antonio, how you see it with your minimalist philosophy that you like to use iPad in mobility work. Well, I agree that a lot of things to say to them I disagree with some of them you' re talking about.

19:25 For example, I think it stops for a certain weekend, but there is a paat today, I can already offer you ninety- five, ninety- eight percent support if from what they take on weekends, because if you are going to do it on weekends or you are going to take three or four days. So it' s not your main function to work. I understand you don' t need a premium seat to spend eight hours in front of her So I think it' s good to see where? Where it fits. No. David, for example, uses the iPad and I too and we' ve been together using the LIPE, working both out there, traveling around Spain and we haven' t taken another team. So and David, for example, takes another team, that is, he doesn' t have another main team back then. Well, I think in the mangan and the hotel and I carry the past iPad always between needs. Yeah, yeah, that' s why, that' s why, for me, it' s very wet. But once you get to say to the office, that is, to sit back and regularize everything you' ve done in the field, the iPad doesn' t serve the iPad. That' s where it ' s limited and where it' s not. But, but I think it' s stubborn in the end. If Apple really listens to us users,

20:56 it' s an Apple Iban head office, for example, in the chat that is highlighting now Sergio Sta if Apple has it very easy. Get out, get out a hybrid system in which, when you' re going to be mobile or ipato is and when today you already have processor and transmission power, make a kind of voucher, a kind of dedex and when you put it on screen, you have a more maco- like system. I mean, you think Apple doesn' t have the ability to develop that God thing, but it already looks like right now, it' s a lot like it, but it' s missing to finish it, it' s missing to give the final hit because right now, that is, between the sonoma screen that well, I haven' t delivered the last update because it hasn' t been home. But you have the dog, you have your apps. You have folders, you have such, but it lacks the last touch of give me. Let me organize it another way, a finder and it also needs a hilder to be able to manage better. Still, we have the file application on the iPad. He' s improved. Jo eh, it' s better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it' s not exactly my complaint. It' s not exactly my complaint. File management in the lipadre is not accurate at all. That leaves for nothing. Not well, each one will have some needs based on the use it makes with

22:27 the computer, mainly totally good, because there we leave reflected our desires for the iPad. We' re going to move on, let' s talk about artificial smart, and it' s just that Mark Gurman from Bloomberg has given us details about it. It tells us Apple isn' t launching any chatbots on the eighteen and the other systems. Obviously, says Cabrón in artificial direction, but that he will work in the shadow in the background, so that we will not see it and integrate in some way a chat bot, because we had already speculated long ago that if they put an artificial intelligent in Ios, it would be easy to put it in the spot light, because we already have a searcher there. Then it is easy to integrate a chatbot with which we can interact, just like we do with Siri, but by text, perhaps it would be the most appropriate site. Not good, Gurman says that if a chatbot came in collaboration with open There, i e, with GPT shawl or with Jemi Nai, i e, with Google it seems that Apple, which is software, especially Chatbot, would be more inclined to collaborate with the big manufacturers, who already have better solutions to which perhaps it could provide appeal in the short term. Let' s not stop to see what happens, but that would also reach a more efficient site, which now, because we all agree that it has much to improve SIRI and also makes a very interesting size with the application of messages, where we could auto complete

23:57 sentences with a much more advanced predictive language than we have now. Things of this style, as they could come from artificial intelligent to second working in the background, without us really realizing that there is one already but it is in the operating system. They could also come up with little things with shortcuts if, obviously, now we have intelligent artificial chat bot that develop us code hears why not. The shortcut programming language between Apple quotes, which is a sequential and event- oriented language, is good that it is easy on but perhaps I don' t know it could be facilitated a little bit more by telling Syrian and make me a shortcut that makes this concrete and we didn' t have to go by instructing ourselves to do that shortcut, but I don' t know that there was, like chat GPT, developing code, because if I also developed this code between shortcut quotes to create different mini applications with the shortcut application. Perhaps it would be interesting, but beyond this we will not see it, but certainly large doses of it will come into it. It ' s eighteen me in relation to the shortcuts you were talking about, not so much, because you know that I like to mess with it too, so don' t tell him I' ll tithe this and actually do it to me. But it does guide you, because true that the place program cut many times is a headache. Yeah, that, yeah, that, that' s true that' s no longer intuitive for eighty percent of people.

25:32 Sure, then I get it perfectly. At least Apple, it' s at least Apple' s cool stuff, but it' s complicated something that' s programming language or sequential, something like pseudocode to make it easy. I understand it' s complicated. Of course, the ones we' ve done programming and programmed the shortcuts look like a toy to us. I mean, it' s something kids do in elementary school, in internships. Now you know, so it' s something tremendously simple. But for someone who doesn' t know how to program, because maybe it makes him a world, obviously, but it' s totally true that Siri is an existing to tell you this shortcut better, this conditional. Put it in this other way that' s gonna work better for you. I' d see it better. Yeah, an assistant that if it' s you, I' ll see there and you' ll do the shortcut. It would also be interesting if there was the assistant from Syria and I corrected it for you, not that I told you to listen, because look at this here you have a problem and the problem is this. Maybe if you put it on, maybe you want to put this on and you' ll do better with the shortcut or not. For example, putting a very basic example, nexcel when you do a very extensive formula, with several commands, with various functions and just when you give the enter, tells you to correct it because you lack a parenthesis aki or you lack a point there. Or this box isn' t well- defined and fucking World' s been doing it to you for a few years now. Yeah, yeah, well, something like this and they' re going to anel chan now tells us if they present Jemi neige

27:06 Google in 18 for iPhone and iPad systems, and company to see what face they defend data privacy that they so fully defend. But I think this would be integrated with Google' s account. Therefore, who would have to explain in such a case would be Google, not Apple. I mean I imagine that by some extension, you could integrate into the iPhone Spotlight a GPT chat or a Jemi NII or a copilot or any artificial intelligence I insist as an extension within the Spotlight, as well as save and came extensions years ago, because why you will not reach the Spotlite extensions that potentiate what we can look for in the system. And if we put a jemi NAI as an extension in Spotlight, really the sensitive data from the Apple account will not go through there. But maybe we could search Google using JEMINAE' s ia or ask you about things that a chat bot usually answers to. Don' t look at this detail extensions on the Life spot just occurred to me. But I think it' s an ugly idea, but I don' t see it It' s sergio It' s just that when I think about Apple' s artificial intelligence, I don' t think about the concept that we' re clear about, that is, when you say Spotlight, it hits you because it' s the closest thing to the concept of artificial intelligence. Thinking about st, that is, thinking about little and this kind of intelligence.

28:33 But I imagine, I imagine Apple' s artificial intelligence as first invisible and propositional. I invented the adjective for an artificial intelligence, that is, I mean what is the greatest asset that APA has with all of us propositions, not the ecosystem uncle i e, Apple has an ecosystem and has a lot of information, not for privacy, but a lot of information about your habits, your tastes, your photos, your notes, your reminders, your habits. So, I imagine that invisible artificial intelligence, but it' s going to propose to you, that' s why I said the proposition, that is, it' s going to predict what you want at every moment.

29:23 That information the Apple ecosystem gives you is invaluable, because we have an iPhone, we have a watch, we have an iPad. So before you notice that artificial intelligence based on bodinhajes chat pt is you taking the initiative, that is, your question hears in what or is to redact me a demand for an urban lease. I don' t know what you are, he answers you, but if you see an artificial intelligence that the operating system itself, artificial intelligence is that the one who takes the initiative and proposes you know what you want to tell me if what is the same or not, proactive not. I imagine it a little bit like this. I already said Bloomberg, I said Guorman says we' re not going to see an Apple chat bot on the 18th. What we' re going to see is doses of artificial smart in Apple native apps and at most, if a chat bot came, I insist, it would come in collaboration with chat kept or Google, with open there googles eject jemi, nay cast GPT. That' s why I was talking about extensions, because it fits me a lot like that. Hey, Chad Bottapple isn' t going to integrate, Bloomberg has confirmed, but they' re going to get chatbot hostia, because maybe it gets to this kind of extensions it said, and the appropriate place would be the spot line.

30:41 Not how you see it to you what you' re going to say no. What I think is that we can' t tell before in love. I can' t mix one thing from the or I think I' m an assistant is worth the same as the assistants from the other companies, and I think it equals being another equal concept. No yes, I imagine the application of notes than the application of no worse than the application of notes. Let' s have a little button where we can tell him to write an essay on the subject that I tell you the truth. I imagine, then, that the application of daily journal would go a step further and would be more proactive with the information to complete that personal diary of things we have done on that day. I imagine that the calendar application would also have the artificial direction of background that I would say, for example, to Antonio, who is a streamer who is always working twenty- three hours a day, because to tell him listen, Antonio, it is eight and a half hours.

31:44 You' re still here on this project working and you don' t get to the Isennacode podcast tonight go to dinner, as if you' re not going to get things like that without having any event on the calendar that, according to your habits, at the exact end this would be. This is what seems to be confirming that it will be appealed to God eighteen. Not large doses of artificial intelligence, but made available to native and user applications proactively. Yeah, it' s gonna be pretty cool. I' m really hot on the subject of Peter. If you think we put musiqueta and go with Mr Rockero Pedro Rivas yes, tonizashis in NACODELAI episode of three hundred and thirty- one. We are here with friend Pedro Rivas Nuestro and be a lawyer and he will explain in detail what the US lawsuit against Apple is, because it has quite a crumb. I am struck by the fact that since 17th century, Apple has been implementing measures in the European Union and Pedro

33:15 told us today these things that will come from the law of digital markets for Europe. This is agreed with the United States, this is going to come for everyone as well. However, with the arrival of 17 of them, we have seen Apple itself applying measures of freedom to them in Europe. Being able to have third party stor, being able to choose the main web browser, by default, having the NFC open for third parties as well and this in the United States, for example, have it layered, as it has been so far. Well, after the arrival of them four and implement these measures, as we say, because the United States has moved. Pedro' s file, yes, the problem of the telegrano has been a great measure of the houttelar of moving. I read myself because I was asked about the group then we talked about big TV to Broma, because they were asking me about these two topics and I was reading a little bit. Yeah, well I demand apl Pot by the U S government. Let' s see, I think it' s good. To sum up, people know the U S government has the ability to sue Apple, to sue any company when it understands that it restricts free competition what they call monopoly behavior in the U S.

34:39 I do not like to use that term, because the monopoly itself is not illegal, but it does not have to be. But, well, the case, the U S government has demanded Apple understanding what restrictions would be placed on free competition. But, I mean, first of all, I read the claim Sergio eighty- eight Folio. I' ve read it, I' ve done my homework and I' ve got the whole law. And I want to highlight some jos. Last week Peter told you to study this topic that we have to comment on on podcast ot eighty- eight. It could be mine yes, yes, but because it seems curious to me, because they are not the typical things that are read companies, because they talk about homepots, talk about the pluto of home poty and five or six things that I want to highlight about how this demand is based to see, but for putting in context this demand. Let' s see this is the third lawsuit filed by the US government Apple of two thousand nine I want to say that neither is it true that the previous two were very specific, they were by commissions. He was such. It is true that this demand is global in the sense that it attacks Apple, its operating system, that is, as far as its cage is concerned, as far as it is the tufillo that you read, that enters you when you read. The demand is that what it is is criticizing is that Apple is able to create a single ecosystem system forgiveness in which it is very difficult to exit the user without paying very expensive. And the second thing you have to take into account to put

36:13 it in context, is that this kind of demand has already suffered as much as Microsoft, as Google, etcetera. So it' s not a thing either, a very new thing. But what I would point out, as I say after reading this demand, is that it is the first that, without being specific, attacks all the behaviors that the European digital telenoe market LED has wanted to avoid. That is why I say that I am always very good, because I suspect a lot of the innocence of the United States, of the innocence in the European Union and this demand seems to have been taken by the prosecutor, the different prosecutors who promote this demand, that of digital markets and have said uff we are going to mount a lawsuit with everything that the European Union says, that, in fact, it would have to fulfill a company in order not to incur a breach of defense in the competition and among those things that the demand highlights, because it is the following, that is, the demand. He makes concrete examples. Concrete examples. Hey, for instance. The first example he gives you is why he' s so closed to them. They focus a lot on is because it' s so closed to ilos or the iPhone in general to the rest of smart Watch, for example, it' s a garming that isn' t obviously Apple'

37:45 s watch, because it can' t because it' s capped with access to different notifications, access to geolocation, certain accesses. Anyway, another example he puts is the game in the cloud, which has always been very curious to us. This restriction restricts game applications in the cloud, such as the moon, as the stereo and so on. In addition, he dedicates the prosecutor to screw three leaflets, saying that to justify that restricting the applications of the game in cloud responds to want to reduce or that these games, that is, the game in the cloud, reduces the importance of hardware. Therefore, Apple is not interested in that it is true that they are somewhat artificial arguments for which we know each other. Besides, Apple and its philosophy is not good. Another example is that of serpots, not homepots. This demand is criticized and it is given as an example that for a normal user it would be very very difficult from a phone, that it is not an iPhone, to throw music to a home pot, not something that is true, that is to say the home weighter very closed. And you understand that that restriction is totally artificial and that, because it promotes that you have an iPhone

39:16 and that it costs you to buy an Android once you have bought a Home Pot, not because you would be losing not a functionality, but a hardware device. Integer. It also criticizes one thing that has changed in the European ne. You were commenting on it earlier, I was telling you that Google is the search engine. By default, also things afar you eh ah vale de safari. Well, of course you do, you know what' s going on. It just doesn' t seem like a coincidence to me. You mean when the digital market law came out, some, including Bloomberg Mar Gurman, said no. No, but it' s just that in Europe it' s going to be one thing and America is going to be another and everyone fell down. I thought it was weird. I thought first of all, it' s normal for them to open it for everyone. However, what Apple decided was in Europe, open it, open the NFC, open the main browser, that is, that you can choose Saffary, or that you can choose Croum, or that you can choose fire Fox or Microsofthecht or whatever, but not install it as now, but that it had its own kernel, because now, so far, at least, all the web browsers you installed on iPhone were Safari, but with the appearance of third- party web browser. But the core was Shaffary, it was Safari, the same engine. Not then now. No, now you can have the crom engine can reach the iPhone, at least in Europe. Of course, with the arrival of two hundred and four, Apole implemented these freedoms for the European cloud, but not for the rest of the world. So, of course, it seems to me a lot of chance that right now, when you

40:50 have implemented these improvements for the European Union, because it comes to Apple and it seems to me that it is related to this, that what you want is the United States. What he wants is for Apple to make the same changes that he has made in Europe, so that they make them in the United States, that they accept third- party stor, that they accept third - party browsers, that they open in NFC for everyone, and so on. And I want to remember that the two thousand years, Microsoft was sued for monopoly Netscape sued for monopoly by Internet Explorer, because Microsoft Windows made Internet Explorer mandatory by default on all operational topics, all computers that had Windows.

41:35 No And well, because in the end it was unfair competition against third- party browsers like Nets gape is what the other one is doing with Safar. The producer doesn' t let, among other things, among other things, what is Apple doing now with Safari? Apple now forces iPhone users to use Safari And if you accept in the App Store third- party browsers, it ' s because they have Safari' s search engine and then the aesthetics, the appearance of Firefox, Chrome or the browsers that it' s worth, but the search engine is the same. Therefore, it is not advisable to put a third party browser because they will always go worse than that Fari, because it is Safari, but with another layer above it, which makes it visually look different, but it hinders at the end. The end result.

42:22 Not then, because it will be surprising that in the two thousand years Microsoft was sued for monopoly for the case of interpretexpro reprsus Netscape and that Apple in two thousand twenty- four was doing the same and nothing would have happened. So, well, Europe made this move and now it looks like America is looking for the same thing. Yes, yes, yes, but to me several things already as final reflection. It seems to me that this was sung, that a lawsuit like this Apple in the United States played independently of what we defend or there are no people who actually defend. I want an Apple closed. I, though good, do not favor free competition. Everything is very respectable, but I believe that from the point of view of legislation policy, it was coming. It was very sung that this was going to happen in the United States and the future is also clear to me the United States, all the lawsuits, all the prosecutors are acting according to what the European has already done. What surprises me and I don' t know why they don' t, perhaps by the strength of the LOBI in America. It is, then, to regulate with European formation, because in the end, to bring such a lawsuit is difficult, because you have concepts as generic as free competition, such a monopoly. But how does that materialize? The European Union has, indeed, been able to put that into practice, that is, to say in a regulation. Hey there can be no default browsers and

43:58 you can not have predetermined so much service on commissions. Such then, if the United States is really looking for that, why it does not approve there is already in the US Parliament. But why don' t you directly pass a law that clearly says what you' re looking for in the background? Because it' s clear what they' re looking for. And finally, I don' t know if he has any relationship with me. I' d like to think that, like at the Developers' Conference, we' ll see something in this respect, I mean, no, I mean, it might not, so the United States throws in the towel and says hears for not having a different operating system. It' s nine eighteen. I ' m having trouble in America. I' m getting million- dollar lawsuits that can change Apple' s story in the sense that hearing has dropped the bag seven percent or four percent since this lawsuit was announced. He will say hear, for so far that is, no, I will not, I will not fight, against myself and I will give in and I will bring out myself. It' s operational in the European Union, in the United States. I think so. I believe that in them eighteen is the time to see it, and it is no coincidence that the demand of the United States comes right now, after them seventeen four and before the launch of them eighteen. I think I would play that, because in the eighteenth years they were already allowed to install these from third parties on all Siphone and iPad and that third- party browsers could arrive with their own engine, that the NFC

45:28 would open, etcetera, etcetera. But let' s see if what you said yesterday we in the VIP Group in discore were commenting with isa that well, because that defended that she liked Safari and I also prefer Safari over another browser, even in mac that we have that freedom to choose the browser with its own engine. I am the main one is Afari Vale and I also want to use the Appstop because it is safer. If we understand all the benefits of this, then I speak paper. Defende is true Vale has his reason, but of course one thing is seeing it from the point of view of user, I do better Safari usa Fari I do better Lapstop, because it is a super safe system. I want to keep using lappstor the same and don' t change it anymore. But from an economic point of view, perhaps it is unfair competition for a platform to force you to make certain movements. Not sure. Of course, one thing is that I like it and that I like to saffle i APPS as it is. And another thing is that, giving a pass and looking at things in perspective, understanding that there are more people in the world, he hears, because there are other scenarios where there are people who want to economically, because they get alternatives and they leave us. No. Then maybe that can' t be done.

46:46 No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, some comments, guys. Or we ' re going to telegram, we' re going to telegram, come on, Pedro, we' re going to telegram, we' re going to telegram, we' re going to telegram. The other day I sent an audio because Jose asked me to and more people asked me and what happened to telegram. And besides, I like to tell it from the objective point of view. Then we will comment, but to know what has happened, because it explains many things. Let' s see chronologically half thirst to three half annoy. Well, they filed a complaint before the national hearing against and this is important, the headlines, that is, the people who were having channels through which protected content was shared, specifically football is worth. This complaint is directed exclusively against persons who own these channels that make this protected material available.

47:55 What happened? That you know that in any criminal procedure there is a first phase, which is the investigation, which is the investigation, before the oral phase is opened, in which the judges collect evidence through the police, through different stages to assemble. Let' s say the case as they say in America, then what happened. Which, obviously, the fundamental proof is to call telegram, write to telegram and say hear that I have this complaint. I' m a judge from Spain at the National High Court. Please give me the data of the people who are holders of these channels to do this.

48:37 The problem is that when you are in Spain, that company is very easy. Problem is, when they' re in another country and they' re on islands, I don' t remember now. But anyway, a tax haven doesn' t remember it right now is using a rogatory commission. A rogatory commission is that the website is in contact with the Government of that country and through agreements, as judicial assistance is requested for the notification to be sent to it. In this case to telegram. That requirement was not met by the telegram country. I think he made the mistake. I think he made the mistake of not saying anything, not not not even giving the names or revealing the ownership or data of these people, but saying or moo.

49:29 This happened in July of two thousand twenty- three and, of course, eight months later, the judge of Judge Pedraza, in this case of the national hearing, and he says yes yes that is, you will stop me an investigation, judge, because they do not give me the data, because the only remedy I have is to veneer it is not a total blockade. That total blockade is what we have known in the news, which gave the operators three months to produce the blockade is over. Legally. That' s what' s planned, you can do that. That' s lega, but the only problem is that these measures have to be proportional. It' s worth that proportionality in others, on other websites like me that be direct red, and such is more obvious, because ninety- eight percent of the content let' s say it' s pirate. I mean, like it isn' t inflicting intellectual property rights. Therefore, a blockade may be justified.

50:20 The problem is that telegran is a social network. Not then, that pro posal of proportionality, as the jurists say, is more debatable. Not that it' s happened, that the flight has gone so far that in the end I told him the audio. The normal thing in these cases is to contact, that is, officiate the technology departments of the police so that, well, then, they will tell you through whatever it is. What could be a less burdensome measure to get the identity or any data from the owners of these channels. In the end it' s made back. And indeed, that' s when you asked the police. Hey, I' m putting this thing on hold, and you' re asking the police what measures may be less harmful or less radical to go against the headlines. I insist from these channels that illegal content is available. The current situation, this precautionary measure, has declined. It' s not going to telegram again, it' s not going to close anymore I don' t know what' s going on. And there' s the thing. Irreparable damage to telegram.

51:28 I think everyone in the world thinks there' s been a lot of escape. People like that will even be people I' ve thought post telegram has still been winning because there are people who have dropped the telegra and subscribed to telegram. But good summary. This is what has happened, because it is surprising, because on Friday, the truth is that we heard the news that they were going to block the telegram in the next few hours. There was speculation that on Monday we, the weekend, did the migration to discord. I' m happy with discord. We' re gonna stay with discord, ' cause he' s got voice chats. So here we get out of half- slack, Skype and Telegram. Okay I like discord, but well what you' ve told and finally, they' re not going to close telegram. Just add that it is true that there is a lot of piracy in telegram. It' s very easy, that' s you in the telegram search engine itself, you can look for a movie and you put torren and you appear in the pirated movie or I appear to you that I know, because football broadcasts from other countries that I think are legal, not broadcast or capture the broadcast of another country that is in another language. I don' t know, I don' t know, but it' s easy to find this kind of content that is considered pirate on telegram, just looking for it you say shit, man It' s just that it' s hard not to get out, virgin islands where you are. Yes, the telegram is lodged in you is worth nothing, for that is a pity.

52:54 Telegram is a great app. I think it would have been an attack on freedom of expression to block a messaging app like telegram, which is huge, which has nine million users. But it is true that telegram somehow has to be regulated or something have to be done, because it is insultingly easy for creators like those who have football rights, like moystar movies, has and series and so that they are hacking their content so easily on telegram It is easy, it is true. He' s there. Having said this gives me a lot of nostralgera because we' ve been so happy on intelegram that we' re here we' ve been so happy. Yeah, yeah.

53:38 We' ve done so many things on TV, we' ve said so much nonsense, we' ve taken so many photos on TV. It' s true. Well, let' s send her now for a record. That' s it. It doesn' t have much more, either, but the truth we telegram is a wonderful platform, totally as a platform. Then, the issue of the channels, because Hostia is that there is a lot of impunity with piracy and something they have to do, yes it says they go already. But if we want full encryption, if we want freedom, freedom of expression and that the others are encrypted and as they say Hostia, because they can not block the platform already, but maybe they will pursue the channels of piracy. And I don' t know, or the rules of the telegram community themselves will have to be clearer about it. Not because they leave impunity to anyone who wants to hack and share that pirate content in telegram and I don' t think it has its headquarters in a place where it is allowed, it doesn' t have to put anti- piracy rules.

54:45 I have no idea what laws are worth, but one thing is where the seat is and another thing is where the country where it is consumed is clear, the crime is committed here, regardless of where it is domiciled. Tellan is, in other words, the place where the crime occurs and, in addition, the rights are Spanish, in this case the plaintiffs to that. That' s why it' s no problem. To me, what it seems to me is that it shoots yes yes yes it was not going to make a reflection on the, that is, in the future, the line of the border between protection, the privacy of the intimacy, because there was a comment about the encryption and so you know what Apple is the flag of the privacy of the encrypted messages, of not giving even data or of having to fight the FBI and the police with alpe Apple to open an iPhone.

55:52 I mean, you don' t think that fight, that conflict between deprivation. I' m not talking about piracy, it' s something else. I speak of privacy, of the data protection of the person and, on the other hand, privacy, when it is crissted, because you feel more. Secondly, there is protection of privacy. That' s that friction. I think we' re gonna find her a lot tomorrow. And I don' t think it' s settled yet. Each floor solves it in a way, for example, in Spain, so that you can have an iPhone legally opened, so that a judge can access an iPhone, it has to be because it is a crime of terrorism, a crime that is punished for more than five years, that is, it is super restrictive. That ' s not right or wrong. In any theft, in any crime you can make an iPhone. It' s that debate. I don' t think he' s here yet. He doesn' t agree with everyone on how it' s resolved. Now, yes, it' s complicated.

56:57 I would see well that communications could somehow be spyed on at the operator level, at the level of Internet traffic, but that they will have on the device seems to me an abuse of privacy, because there will be everything there. There will certainly be this criminal information, but there will also be private information that may affect third parties. And so, I don' t think it' s right that there' s information coming in from a personal motive. And then something else that I don' t happen to say telegram. Being so permissive to peratery, that creates a benefit for you. That means telegran, be a resource for pirates and attract audience. And such at the cost of being say lax using a euphemism with intellectual property infringements. Fuck.

57:51 It is also a competition of the loyal with regard to other platforms, for example, like YouTube, if they take care of the penitentiary, that is a loyal competition that is clearly true. It' s true because you say Hostia, because I' m going to telegram because on top of it I don' t have easy to see free stuff, pirate stuff, for free no, and on top of that, it' s not my fault, not the others, because it' s unfair competition, because Whatsapp, for example, doesn' t have this kind of pirate content. Other platforms, other social networks don' t have it either. And Hostia, then, are at a disadvantage in this regard totally. And the invitations of dubious identities, certain people I don' t know, even girls have arrived. Yeah. Yeah. I think so? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, all of a sudden he' s got a nice girl writing with a slightly suggestive picture, yeah, but yeah, they actually write to me, really, well, I don' t think they write to me lying. What happens is that I don' t answer, I don' t pass wins answer, but, well, I imagine clear, of course, I guess that' s what the battle is, a beautiful girl, it' s worth it to be half- witted and she' s writing you the handsome one you do, but what' s behind is a fat, ugly, hairy guy you know isn' t even a bot that' s clear to you, of course, that' s what I mean. Yes, yes, if they are not delicate subjects that, of course, there will be opinions for all tastes and all are very, very, very respectable. Of course, they didn' t go on the chat and they were going to Lzamena tells us the Apple Appele theme didn' t open the iPhone content of some terrorists. You' ve totally complicated the debate. I agree with Apple, i e I think I open and get all the information from a smartphond

59:24 named iPhone or another brand, because it doesn' t seem right to me. I don' t think it' s okay that if I look at communications via the operators, that' s for sure, because it' s for sure that you' re saying what you' re saying with other people. Okay, maybe these criminal conversations. Well, we' re gonna blow it. But until they get you in, they' ll see all the information on your device. What I was saying is that the conflict with which you have information about third parties also enters them. But there also comes a conflict of context. I don' t know if I explain to you, for example, whatsapp let' s say a person spies on you, there ' s a moderator, so to speak, going through conversations in groups in such a way I don' t know what we all say in groups.

1:00:15 Yeah, well, it' s like in a bar, it' s like in a committee bar and we say stupid things that the next day we say don' t believe me and I, but look out for that nonsense. There is already what has to be regulated in cases, that is, there has to be legal certainty, that is, that cases in which a judge can access computer information are regulated. It' s worth the echo that anyone has, but we' re going to see Spain, the United States, France, Germany and Italy, if they' re Pegasus' clients, that is, what judges use, what the Ministry of the Interior uses. When the cases occur legally, I do not say that they are not, or are programs like pegasus with all this controversy that took place with Israel.

1:01:04 And such then good is that that debate is complicated, that of course, if you carry that debate the end, hear you need to do an iPhone because if an attack is not going to happen I don' t know what, I don' t know when you hear, because it is regulated. In other words, I do not know in what cases it may be, in which cases it is not, but at least that there is legal certainty and that it is subscribed to. I think so. Thank you very much, Pedro. It is an honor to have you in Isen Acode so that you can enlighten all the listeners, ourselves, with all this information, which is of great, great value and more of someone and more of someone like you, who is inside the core, who is a lawyer and you know many people involved in all these issues, as Andy reminds us that we have been an hour away. I know I don' t know if you think we' re going to gambo pimpo and pay him a little tribute and we ' re going to time. We got to gambo or pimp. You know how this works. You can participate from the chat we are reading you guys open bat. I want those gambones, those pimps. I think Antonio will agree with me. My pimp this week is a series of Netflix that is

1:02:36 called The Problem of the Three Bodies Antonio, which we have been talking about in the bet group of spoilers and we agree that it is a head blast. I really liked the show. The truth seems highly recommended to me. I' ve read out there that it' s the new lot I think nothing further from reality. But to me, then, I' m liking the show I think it' s a pimp. I think it' s highly recommended to see her. It has nothing to do with it. No, but they say it' s the grape because of the mystery, because there are many fundamental questions. Not why this happens, how this happens. No, but he' s a thriller. Which is series boys. It ' s a science, fiction series where there' s a lot of technology, a lot of VR, a lot of quantum computers and a lot of physics. You don' t need to be an expert, much less.

1:03:29 It' s all conceptual, but, well, in the end, it ' s just that there are some beings who want to invade the earth and very rare things happen. I don' t say any more until I can read pimp. Say no more. Say no more. I agree with Frank and I was going to be first in line with you in the body series. But if I agree with Frank Son Frankill in Gentleman and Entleman, I think I' m writing them. Yes, I' m wearing a chapter and I' m very low now, Antonio, and I think that' s very low now. Yeah, pull over the mic and pull the mic out and talk. So that Gentleman, Gentleman, I agree with Frank Hiljan.

1:04:11 Sounds like a brutal series to me. But where this is and what it' s about is Netflix is also not also yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. You' d like this because this is about a little lord who also looks like you physically who make him duke go and so bounce and he' s very interesting and is Madrina a series that name is the man, yours is from the bar. Not now it' s located in England. Well, we' ll have to give him a subject there, too, because I' m a piece of crap about a pimp.

1:05:01 But this nonsense I hadn' t noticed because I hadn' t tried it yet. And it' s balloon, balloon, it hits me. I asked for dinner tonight. I have asked for a Chinese and hears that he takes advantage of the Life activities and that it is quite accurate and that when you have locked on the screen of an iPhone, fourteen pro or fifteen pro and you can see in real time the status of your order. I find it cool are the typical things that I wanted Lift Activities to still develop more, that I was going to see more developers bet on it. Apart from the typical ones that I use a lot of phot mop and such, but there hasn' t been an explosion either. There, you just have to take it out of the hole because it' s clear, you can' t get stuff into the dynamic island or live activities. It has to be meaningless things for free. Then it has to be things. You get temporary like, you place an order, how long does it take to get that order? You ask for a cabify, how long it will take to get that Cavifa and your destination or where you are to pick up. Not those things or football, for example. It' s cool things that are temporary, that have a beginning and an end. No, but clear for anything.

1:06:16 Obviously, it won' t do you any good. But eye is totally one is a good ass. But if you can use almost better than Cabifi, I' ll leave that too. Okay. Yeah, well, we totally love taxis. We' re also going to the chava to see what people say. Let' s say pimp and while you guys are thinking about it. Andy Marquet says pimp, gonzilla versus backpack and with Frank Hill pimped gentleman series. So far I' ve seen only one chapter. He paints well the one Antonio told us before again, says Gamba the accident of the Baltimore Crane. Well, the boat' s from Baltimore that dropped the bridge. The truth is it' s a freighter worth it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a catastrophe, a catastrophe and we send our whole, our support to the whole community. Frangil says Gamba, Pedro for his hermetism in the demand for Apple and Telegram. We' re unhappy.

1:07:20 I really do. He doesn' t explain you well, Uncle, he explained himself wonderfully. Well, Pedro the corner of José te Podcast you say pimp, the one I had with the lords Sergio Nabas three and twenty- three, Mac Trompa, Paco el otero, gig and Guaica. I' m having a great time. The truth is, what we' ve already had for dinner, Uncle, in the driver' s enjoit, well, we' ve had it. Super, super, super, okay, yeah, but there were two important people missing, Mr Recio and me. That ' s right. But if the challenge was invited and that I couldn' t come because far not and you weren' t in Barcelona, of course those who were there far away, but those who are coming you know all invited, uh, but it wasn' t very far Antonio, who was on vacation. I don' t think I can come. Don' t come. We' re done with the range of matic fever that they say is that Apple doesn' t arrive in time and to them eighteen won' t have a chatbot of life- interegent in its own generation, if perhaps chat GPT or Jamie Niis, if we' ve already commented on it.

1:08:17 I think it' s a good idea, because before Apple gets something that isn' t up to it, it takes out extensions and in Spotify, in Spotify and Spotlight or in a similar space, because let us have in the system itself and third- party chatbots. Most of all, because Apple could implement a very concrete chatbot, but it is that they will arrive at artificial intelligences, themed in plan, for medicine, because for engineering, for programming, for developers and such clear tones host, because in the end we have access to all and that with a kind of extensions we can integrate them into the iPhone system via the Spotlight. I can think of it via extensions, because I would think it better than Apple to pull out its own chat bot. It seems to me a good strategy that you have thought of for your native applications and that opens the door for us to integrate any third- party chat bot into your iPhone itself. I think it' s the best option. I don' t think it' s a prawn forgiving pimp look, but Javier Delgado comments on the chat that I don' t know if all these recent failures series his way of protesting, because they' re preparing the Mira relay. I' ve been remembering all the programmers and their families for a week, the catore kine tree tower. Yeah, yeah. The truth is it' s a joke? Is that a joke? Well July at home, the house jomps can play me such music, give me such

1:09:47 podcast. I don' t know who you are, who I' m gonna be. I own you, I' m not the only one in this house who runs you in this house. Yeah, but curious because he stopped pronouncing. I think he stopped pronouncing the ces because if he said catore Kine three, three, three points, certain letters a week I stop pronouncing them. Curious in I' ve seen a resceto something, no, no, no, but this has been passed by everyone, still doing it on Apple websites would be doing it. This has happened to everyone, the whole number that I was saying when you, that is, whatever phrase I had to say with numbers, the EC was not able to pronounce it in such a way as Kine said. Well, any number wasn' t able to pronounce them. That 17th. I also said seventeen, seventeen Holy shit, man, I' m already failing. Yeah, yeah, it was a catastrophic, I mean, putting on a timer. You' re making the food and you tell him to give me a fifteen- zero- minute timer to come back and remove. This. Yes and, for example, of course, counting. Of course the thirteen was three. Of course I was saying three in I don' t know. It was ridiculous, man, you gotta believe it, man, it' s almost like there' s

1:11:19 a point that making it has to get a lot better in the 18s. I hope you take a step forward and these things don' t happen anymore. Let' s have a series in condition is that' s what the chat bot is. Dude, we can have a conversation with anyone with a natural language and give you coherent answers. And I turn off with Siri talking is that it' s that you can' t, it' s that it doesn' t give you coherent answers. For example, Alexa the fence and it' s not very final either, but it' s going a lot. Compared to a chatbot, it doesn' t go at the end either, but it goes much better than it does and I don' t know what you' re telling them depends. I do a lot. I think much better is not the word. I think it goes better at some things and worse at others, because it asks some questions if it does it right and Alexa doesn' t, and you ask other questions and the other way around, Alexa does it well and sir and no. But they didn ' t just go well. None of the things aside, it' s got dots, so I' m telling you, I' m not here.

1:12:15 I' m not very in favor of Alexa, because we already know everything about Amazon' s privacy and such. I prefer Siri for privacy, but well, Alexa has four jokes, four curiosities that thank you very much, because, for example, you tell Alexa, Alexa, thank you very much. Start saying or you' re not like it was the other day, ' cause I was this horny with my girl here at home and I told Alexa, you' re so nice and I' m starting to sing. Thank you, you know, but that' s not helpful. That wouldn' t be you. But how it makes a zeroing rhino. That makes you read so clearly. I want things to do to me, useful things, totally, totally talk about the Alexa whisper in the cane and have the whisper answer you. That' s the one who whispers and tells you I' m talking short. Yeah, I have a question here to see if they can' t say it, on the next podcast or those of us who are more juicy an arcaded band of discord. I' m thinking Sergio guys, yeah, catch the God of Ward compare I' ve never played, but I need a game that you have in clear history and that

1:13:47 yes and that' s good. I mean, I need a game that has history. You missed it, too. I' ve never played hof War, so pass yourself the previous Got or Ward, which is if you have the foot, this is a plus. It' s included. Yes, it' s included. Pass the first and when you pass the first is that it' s story roll, you know then it' s continuation. But if you haven' t played the original God of War first, the previous not the original, because there are a lot of versions. But if the previous one and then if you like it, then you play Ragnarok, which is continuation of this, But Peter, I mean I' ll remind you that we have been waiting for two years the fork cray and the day yes, but when we don' t agree, it' s that, man, when we' re not going to spend the Devil together, man, I, it' s that I' m level five, it ' s or life dogs, but I' m still level pisco, man, Oko, look tomorrow night left to kill Devil. Come on Yeah, David, what' s Peter, Santa Chico week or c for that first holiday. Ah well. Of course, because, well, ah well, you can' t work, I don' t know we have to play.

1:15:00 This weekend. Take the iPad and the PS Plus. Peter, also the remote goes to the first says pure final pimp Fantasy VII, the remake I don' t understand, yes, but there' s an end Fantasy that people are freaked out. Hey, I don' t know. I ' ve never played a fine fantasy, but I don' t know. There' s a new one that at least seven are doing the remake and reviving the one hundred. I don' t know what. Yeah, yeah, Frankill says by the way, chubby torrijas and if I' m on torrijas, well. I put on torrijas with my daughter yesterday, and I ' m so full of torrijas. Buenaísiber I should make you see that that ' s Sergio, because I write to Sergio for the Gen group Truth, such for the podcast group. I don' t know. I don' t know how much you catch me making torrija the other one. You catch me making torrija to everyone. You ask me to make torrite and turning potatoes.

1:15:55 I mean, you' re late or hell. Uncle, yesterday came out the announcement of the wor Wit Developer conferences and Peter was sharing it and I didn' t find out. I was making torrijas and then I was going to make a potato omelette. He was in full swing in the kitchen, man, and he wasn' t on his cell phone. It' s a good thing Pedro tipped off because I managed it a little bit, and we gave him cover. Hey, thanks, Pedro, for keeping an eye on it. Now, Chico, that' s when Sergio says the famous phrase of and up here we can read. Friends, friends, I ' ll see you next week with more kisses in the Pyrenees, see you in the bars guys, Chao you, you didn' t say, this is the way