#541 Battling the Urząd: Real Stories of Polish Bureaucracy

0:00 Welcome to Learn Polish Podcast, episode number 540, 1540. You can find all our episodes on learnpolishpodcast.com. Then you'll get lessons from Tania in Spanish or in Polish. Then you'll find our links in the show notes, but on the audio and the video. Find everything about me, scan the QR code, go to rycon.com. If you're looking for virtual assistance, go to va.world. Dzień dobry. Dzień dobry. Listen, I have a good idea. Why are you talking about a good idea? If you say good, good, good, good. Listen, Roy, tell me, do you go to some local government in Poland? You have to do some local government?

0:47 Yes, so. I have a lot of companies. I tell you, I think that I don't know a person who would say that he would say that he would say that. So, I think that's what I'm going to say. Today I'm going to get your thoughts on this topic, which is about the law of the law in our country, which is in Poland. Okay, when I ask people, my students, or in the way, they usually say they're stressed. And so very much. Roy, do you stress? Yes, but now... No, because I'm not afraid of these people.

1:33 You're not afraid of these people. Listen, people, you know what? I'm not afraid of them. Just... Just... Just... Just... Just... Okay, tell me, when did you last time you had some kind of a legal issue in Poland? Here. Chyba to było dwa lata temu. Dwa lata temu, tak? Byłem na urząd biuro, bo urząd kłamiesz od kości, robisz od kamienicy, bo ja mam krzmice ze śni.

2:15 Tak, krzmice. Tak. I sprędałam tę kamienicę i urządzę 28 tysiące złotych. And ja mówiłam, ale ja nie mam, ja mam sklep alkoholowy i ludzie weź te koszty tam. this movie nieważne, bo było dwa ludzi jeden miło, and jeden pies, tak? It's like, and zawsze says to pisz twoje opis, bo kiedy pisz opis, to like zagadasz się and ja mówię, do widzenia i wracam do domu i ja cały czas mam list od urząd and ja pisz, gdzie jest umowa, tak?

3:06 Where is the factor? Where is everything? And then it's another person. Then it's maybe 10 or 15 people. And then they say, oh, it'll be 4,000. Not 28, but 4,000. I'm not sure. But I always work and I'm paying my money. I'm not doing anything. It's just my time. So I don't have one minute for the exam, and bo nigdi pomoc mi, nigdi. I know. I know. I myself I think I'm gonna do it. And I think I know that many people who listen to us, have also had a nice experience with the government.

3:49 I don't know why this is, that the urate is so and not normal. You said you are a good guy. You can buy it. You can say, we can send us a podcast about the truth. Maybe we will learn something else. If we were to be honest, we are both more. But no way, unfortunately. No, yes. That's right. Good. Okay, now a question. Do you believe that in Poland can be easily accomplished? That means, you just go to the urzę, you say, what problem has you and they help you. Is this possible? Problem with the urzę, right?

4:29 I have a lot of experience from other countries in Irlandia. It's very nice. Good morning, how can I help? And here, it's like... The first time, I've been around 200 or more times, because I have a lot of people here, right? Kiedy osoba mówi źle dla mnie, dla mnie I don't nie akceptować. I zawsze mówi, co myślisz, czy mowy rozmawia ze mną? And zawsze, bo chyba Polak, Polką, just zgadza się, co urząd mówi.

5:14 Nie wie, jak jesteś szczęśliwy, nie, silny, tak? Rozumiesz? So, when you don't want to tolerate people who want to be less than... Yes, it's a very good point. I just recently I was told myself, that if someone goes to the office, I don't have to mention the name of the office, but I think that everyone knows what I'm talking about. So, I think that every person who went to the office, and most people who go there are people who go there are people who go there are because it is a law, so theoretically it is an institution, which should know what they do. It's like that they don't know what they do.

6:02 So many times people who go there are people who go there and don't understand, these rules, these rules, these rules, they don't understand, they often believe to them, what they hear. The truth is that they are lying like you were told. So, this person lives in a clown. If someone has a little bit of a character, a charisma, then he can do it, he can do it. And he can do it and he will fight against his own rights. Most people don't. He's adaptable. If he says that he has to pay, he has to pay, he has to pay, he has to pay, because he has to pay.

6:46 And he has to pay for it, he has to pay for it, he has to pay for it. It is, unfortunately, very sad and I really like it. So, theoretically, to be a good thing, it's not easy to do that, because you have to fight very well. And so, it's important. And also, it's important, sometimes, it's 7 years, you have to wait 5 years, depending on the price, and you wait for the last moment and it will be, oh, it's mandatory, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, so it can be 1000, and then, after it's like 5000, 1000, you know?

7:31 Because if the government says that at this moment is something, and gives a list, it will be and everything will be in the same way. But no, it doesn't say anything. And then, boom, you think that you are in the same way. Yes, in Poland this period of 5 years means that the government has the right to control over 5 years to do the same. So in the period of 5 years it can be great, but after 5 years they can call our friends So they never ghosted them. They don't do it, you can be sure. Okay, tell me, the urinary, the urinary, they are familiar with the bureaucratic.

8:12 And, tell me, the same thing is to be a solution for the urinary, documents, and some other things, it is bureaucratic, because you have to go to, you have to talk to someone, she says she says, you have to have some documents, documents, and even just documents. It is a great bureaucratic, And tell me, if this bureaucracy, at least here in Poland, because you have experience, is it complicated or is it easy? Now it's a little better, but I remember, because before, when you have a company, there is a picture.

8:53 But I remember one time, I don't remember, but I have my passport. But it doesn't matter, it has to be a paycheck. Because when I have a passport, I have a paycheck. Well, it's all right. I can go to the bureau and make a paycheck from the uniform. It will be fine. What sometimes people in the office don't think. Very often they don't think. Okay. Tell me, in this case, when you were in the office, when you were in the office, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good If someone has a problem, he will not have a problem, but he will just help him.

10:02 No, he doesn't have a problem. And if you had a feeling that he doesn't have a problem, Yes. I remember, I remember, I remember, I sometimes I go to informatics and say, okay, bureau 204, okay, but it's not our, it's bureau, I'm there all the time, nobody wants to help, nobody wants to work, it's all. Yes, even there are a lot of memes about working in the office. Okay. Okay. Tell me in a moment, how did you have a company in this company that was a company, who was a nice and normal person?

10:55 Yes, about five percent. No, I'm not a lot of people. No, it was definitely, because I've been doing a lot of things for me. And a person says, I know, it's not good, but it's not my department. But I understand, it was very nice. You want a little help? There are a lot of people who help. But normal people are like, A, this is my... Do you know. So, generally, it's hard to meet such a person. Well, maybe we'll have fun. Now I would like to ask you... Because now, we know, we're in the digitalization, computer, internet, etc.

11:42 And now, very much of the business can be done online. You can send documents, you can even write them online. And they are so important. And you can also get a decision online. It's not like you can't. And it's all like a cyfry... It's just a cyfry... It's just a cyfry... It's just a cyfry... No, dobra. And tell me, if this cyfry is a... It's a cyfry... It's a urzęd... It's a fact that it's a good... It's a frustrate... It's a... And it's a fact that it's a communication. How do you think it's a... Everything I think is better for us. We can't go to the UR, we can do everything online. But it's a form of digital ID.

12:28 And UR has everything. And then, we can do something in a form of an individual. So I'm here too, in Ireland. But when I do a podcast on Awakening, on digital ID, I think, oh, I'm here, I have a digital lady in Ireland too, because when you have your money, I have a situation where you have your money. Maybe wrong, but you never return. You can do a lot of times, you have your money from my account and you never return those money. One time I have a few hours from bureau to bureau and I'm like, oh, it's my, so everything but I have good information very good.

13:20 Because I was here in a few countries I was in the court and I looked at everything, is wrong everything is wrong why? Why can I? I read 20 books on this topic from common law I don't know in the Polish sovereignty And when you say, look at the government's list, and there's no one called it. It's always PAN and it's always all capitals, right? Yes, yes. It's corporate entity. And when you say, I can't do anything.

14:30 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Przepraszam bardzo. Dobrze, a powiedz mi, już tak na koniec, czy masz jakiś pomysł, jak ulepszyć taki system tych urzędów? Co byś zrobił? Powiedzmy, że musimy wymyślić, no, no, idealny urząd dla takich ludzi jak ty, jak ja, jak nasi słuchacze, którzy muszÄ iść tam i niestety załatwiać te wszystkie sprawy to co by można było ulepszyć w tym urzędzie żeby taki człowiek czuł się faktycznie dobrze i fajnie i żeby załatwienie takich spraw to nie był koszmar tylko normalna sprawa, There are several countries, where everything is fine.

15:21 Estonia has a good system. And also, when the government is not saying that you are talking about it, people who are talking about it know that they are working for the government. What better is that people who are not talking about it work and they are talking about something. Like... You should have to listen to the truth. No, exactly. And, for example, you have to give a lot of income, but if you look at our streets, there are a lot of doors, right? And everything is not good. So, for me, it's important to know how your page is.

16:08 And it's a very important information. And I think you will probably understand everything. But you are living soul, right? Ty jesteś osoba naturalna, a kiedy pisz, to jest corporate entity, bo it's all capital. And kiedy wie to, ożon nie może nic, bo kiedy jesteś na ożon, zawsze daj papier, pisz to, pisz to. Nigdy, nigdy pisz. Nigdy. No, bo, dlatego ty mówisz, o, musisz, musisz daj podatek, bo pisz, pisz informacje. So, ludzi, kto nie kłamieš, bo, In a lot of countries, 10% work for the government, the government, it's a lot, 1 out of 10, it's a lot.

16:58 I think that maybe 1% is not 10%. Mhm. No, tak. No, sprawa z urzędami jest bardzo skomplikowana, jak same urzędy, bo one są skomplikowane i nawet podcast o nich jest dosyć skomplikowany. I myślę, że mógłby trwać i trwać, bo to jest temat niekończący się. Właśnie też po polsku się mówi temat rzeka. Temat rzeka, to znaczy temat, który może być omawiany cały czas i nigdy się nie kończy, bo jest tyle do powiedzenia. This is also the topic of the river, so yes, but we unfortunately have to end with the topic of the river, so yes, well, thank you very much, Roy, thank you all for your attention, as always, and see you soon.

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