The Trauma Code; Uncover the Hidden Map to Your Life’s True Purpose, A Liberated Life

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0:44 Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Elijah Who, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Hey, I'm really excited. You know, it's interesting, as I've interviewed a number of different people, I find it's fascinating that each individual has a slightly different approach to certain topics, which is going to be an interesting topic today. What I'd love for you to do is share with the audience, how do you get to this point in your life. What is your story? What is that background that brought you to where you are now and what you're doing for people?

1:25 Well, first we'd have to identify what point in the story I'm at. So that's an interesting thought. I'm still here turning sixty one in December. I assume you're just talking about one's personal development and what they've done with their life. Is that what you mean? Yeah? Yeah, I mean what brought you to that point? Well, I would just say that I don't know if I'm unusual, but I mean when I talk to other people, maybe sounds unusual. But really, from the moment I got to this place, I was always sort of thinking about why I was here and what my what my purpose was.

2:14 I didn't remember some of my first thoughts when I was three years old, just being like what am I doing here? So when you know, music was sort of my first gateway to inspiration and you know, a sense of connection to the universe. And I you know, I still play music all the time, but I was in the music business in my twenties. And I tell this story actually in my in my recent book. You know, I was playing in this piano bar I had piano teachers used to hit my hands with a ruler and so little bit of trauma there, like I want to express but got in trouble, you know, didn't practice, of course.

3:01 But when I became a musician, I had this kind of this terror. When I was in front of people, I would close up, my hands would get cold. There was this massage place next door to where I was playing in this piano bar, and I made friends with the woman and then she was moving to California. I lived in Canada at the time, and she said, look, I, you know, put stuff in storage. I'll give you a massage. And I thought, you know, broke musicians. Sure, she well, why don't you try this breathwork thing that my husband does. And I said, it sounds like work, but okay. And that one experience I was in my mid twenties. It I mean, I can't even to this day, I kind of can't believe like that changed the trajectory of my life because I've been doing breath work for thirty five years.

3:52 And they moved to San Francisco and I came out for training. I sort of fell in love with the Bay area, and then I I moved out here and my life of helping people with their you know, their path releasing trauma. Well, the thing about the plant the hands was that when I did the breath work I had the most craziest intense pain in my hands. But after that day, my creativity opened up and I was feeling much freer. So it was sort of a sign to me. And I think I've had this sort of dual path between which most people who help others do, like between my work on myself, you know, to try to make my own life better and helping people. But I've probably done breathwork with twenty thousand people. I've given more than fifteen thousand private sessions of just sometimes breathwork talking.

4:53 I've traveled traveled the North America pretty much non stop till the pandemic, leading workshops and trainings and stuff. So yeah, that's it. I'll maybe mention one other thing, which is that in nineteen ninety nine I met this man named George Shu, Chinese man in San Francisco who I started to learn marshall internal martial arts from, and I went to him for good fifteen years, and then he took a group of people over to China and had some of the last great living masters of tai Chi and these forms, and I fell in love with China and I started going there. I went there twenty one times, started Mandarin, and really penetrated that world and that subject.

5:50 So my work kind of has two parts. One is trauma release breath work, you know, connecting to who you are, and then using movement, which is really from all this internal martial arts from Taoism, and using that to help retrain habit patterns in the body mind to so people can fulfill their life purpose. Wow. You know, I certainly have heard a lot about breath work, and I assume that there's some meditation in that, But the body movement that's fascinating to me also, and I've not heard much about that. So hopefully we can spend a little bit of time. Talking about that. So let's talk about the breath work.

6:34 You know, there's so many people that talk about breath work and particularly meditation, and you know, you have different types. What is it about the breath work that you promote and why is it different than others that people talk about in the meditative state. That's a good question. Let's just define a couple of things like what is breath work, yes and all, and also what is meditations because people think of that in different ways, But breath work it's kind of generic breath and work. But if you think about it, all of your internal organs, they're you're you're an animal, You're they're unconscious.

7:17 You can't make your liver do something where the animal in us will just live no matter what they Those your organs just operate by themselves, but the lungs have this unique capability of being able to be operated manually or automatic. The choice to breathe is really what breath work is. It's that it's choose, it's conscious breathing. So if you think about breathing through the nose or breathing through the mouth, the left side, the right side, holding the breath, that's almost every breath work technique that that exists. And in some ways, breath work is probably older than meditations, probably the oldest practice on the planet. And I think its power is that if breath is life because you can't live without it, then what you're trying to access inside of oxygen. Oxygen isn't God, but you can't live without oxygen, but inside oxygen is the life force. Energy what they call chi or prana, and you're trying to extract the power of the universe that gives you life through a conscious breathing. And the metaphor to me is that you can be an animal and unconscious and just live your life and not think about it and you'll still be alive. Just go to your job and do your thing or whatever. But you have a podcast because people think about choosing a better life. So when you

8:48 choose to breathe, it's like you're choosing to be more conscious. You're choosing to be more aware, and that in breath takes you on a journey back into your inner world, into your unconscious. So every breathwork technique has its different values. And the one that I do, figy e f fi Ji, comes from a style or a family of mouth breathing practices that go back five thousand years and it's basically consciously hyperventilating. And I can demonstrate if you want. Absolutely and for those that are listening with the ideal, they'll hear you. For those that are launching the video, they'll see you.

9:31 Yeah. And we just only two months ago I put up a video, a three minute video that people can do with me guided of the practice. I've been very it's a very powerful, potentially dangerous practice if unguided, because we do it for an hour, so I've been reticent to there's reasons that it is one hour, but this three minute practice, anybody can do it. It's on my website. So I'm just going to turn on my original sound or you won't hear me breathing. But if your echo, you may want to mute yourself. Okay, So it goes like this. You're breathing in the center of the chest, mouth open about two fingers wide and all focused on the inhale, so inhale mouth and like this, and we breathe like that for one hour without stopping.

10:28 Wow. Yeah, I shouldn't even imagine what that does to you. Well, the first few minutes are you know, it's a lot of sensation and you're laying on your back, so it's it's safe that way if you get dizzy or whatever. But you basically enter an altered state and all the material of your life that's been unresolved, which is basically what trauma is. It starts to the journey in that in breath starts to like take you toward that place and you start to release energy. It's very powerful. I'll add one last saying, just meditation. If you think of meditation the possunas watching the breath, like so you know, if you watch your breath, you don't identify with the mind going off or whatever. In that way, this is similar to a meditation practice because a lot of stuff comes up when you're breathing, and the idea is just keep breathing. And a lot of people who've done meditation why one student, a young man who said this was meditation on steroids, Because if you're just sitting watch your breath, you're doing nothing and it's not active. But when you breathe like that, so much flashes comes up when you're breathing.

11:49 It's physical, mental, emotional, it's everything, and. It just naturally happens. Yeah, and I think that's the democracy of It's what I love about the practice, why it's stuck with me so long. You don't have to be intelligent or spiritual, or developed, or even healthy or young. If you just breathe within two minutes, then you know, people do my three minute thing on the site. You'll get the beginnings of the practice. You'll feel you'll feel both the exhilaration and the resistance, because you know, I said to an hour, and for thirty five years, I look at people's faces like yours, like an hour. Hell, I am I going to do for an hour, But believe it or not, you can and it takes you on quite a journey, you know.

12:36 And so as you say, and I think this is important for the audience to hear and understand. This is not something. They do on their own for an hour because it could be potentially dangerous. Is that kind of what you're saying. Yeah, you know, yes, I am saying that. I'll say to two things. Hyper this is conscious hyperventilation. And I have I have doctors my family. I'm almost a pharmacist. I had a center in San Francisco next to the hospitals, and doctors would always talk to me about the negatives of hyperventilation. When somebody starts to hyperventilate, it's an involuntary, unconscious response to memory, like a trauma that's coming up and you start to do this thing. But this is a conscious choice. So that's very different. And the purpose of the facilitator, which is one thing that sets us apart from some of the other famous techniques or breath work is that the role of the facilitator is so important to give you safe passage because you're in an altered state and it's a lot of memory, and sometimes people get things come up and they don't know that it's not real, that it's just memory. So the facilitator's role is to make sure that you're safe and that you release it so that you feel exhilarated, so that you you know, you're not carrying around sort of your your energy stuck. So, yes, the facilitator is important. So

14:10 so is it kind of and so is the waiver you have it? Yeah, yeah, I'll bet you have a guided meditation. So are you talking during that process or are you there observing and then when you see things start to come up then having some type of conversation with your client. It's completely I'm only speaking for myself because I've trained lots of facilitators. Everybody has their unique gift. If somebody is a body worker, they may have a real ability with touch during it. So but for me, there's no rules. I'm trying to I'm trying to be available to help that person, and there's everything that's I see is a guess in a way, because it's all happening in their inner life. But I mean, of course, if somebody's car eying, or when I first breathe the first time, my hands were all curled up in a ball like what, you wouldn't have known that. I had piano teachers who hit my hands. So I'm sometimes it's I'm talking or touched.

15:14 But at its best, what's empowering about the practice is the breath. You do the work, so the breath brings up what's there and you release it, so you feel the empowerment of having taken yourself into the transformation. And this way it's very different than things like plant medicine, which a lot of people in the US, you know, and people talk about because but that's something you take externally that takes you on a journey. This is you doing the work. So at my best, I'm not going to do anything. I'm just gonna hold space. But that almost never happens. Even just to tell someone you're doing great is helpful, just to know that there's somebody objectively holding the space. So and also probably most importantly my thing, you know, I play music. Everybody plays music during the breath, and there are six stages of effigy breathwork, as I see it, and I have music for each stage, and I've composed all the music. If you go on the streaming services, I have twenty five one hour volumes of music going back with fifteen years. So I've created a whole genre of music that its purpose is not for you to almost notice it, but it to help the process along and evoke, you know, kind of resonate with the stages of it. So the music is one of the ways that I used to guide.

16:44 You know well. And I listened to some of it, and I found it fascinating because initially I was anticipating. I went to your website, so you know, I was looking at all that stuff, thank you and appreciate it. And as I started to listen, my first anticipation because I try to meditate every day. I don't always get that in, but usually. Every day I'm doing a walking meditation and I listen to music, or I listen to meditative type of things. A lot of times it's just the monks chanting or whatever. Yeah, your music is entirely different from that, and I found that fascinating. I found it fascinating. So that's there just to help them along with the breath work, and it's not necessarily self veggio frequencies or chanting or anything else.

17:34 And I want the audience to understand that it's an entirely different approach. It's uh, it's thank you, and thank you for like checking it out because to do lots of podcasts and not everybody has has any. I mean, I think our sub our subject interest is probably similar. So it's not new age music, it's not meditation music. It's not specifically spiritual music like chanting, although I study Indian classical music raga for many years with the very famous jazz musician Terry Riley, and so sometimes Indian music gets into what I'm doing. But I was also a rock music musician in the Six stages. Some of it is super rhythmic, some of it's very more emotional dramatic, so has a more of a filmy quality. Some of it is just like a rising up kind of bringing helping people to go to that level. Like when people don't remember the music, I know I succeeded because it's supposed to draw you into yourself. Before I started creating my own music, twenty twelve.

18:41 The things I would use. One example would be Philip Glass. Like Philip Glass, I saw a documentary on him, and you know he well, Terry Riley invented minimalist classical music or pattern music that Philip Glass came out of. Philip glass music is like very repetitive, but he calls it like mining an underground stream, and to me, life is like that. It's like very very small changes. And so I would use his music because it almost like sucks you under and there's you're not really noticing it, but you're kind of moving with it. And so a lot of my music, like you don't hear like in a film score a big crash and here's the drama. It's not narrating, it's trying to get you to be inside of the river you're in, wherever you're in with that.

19:33 So sometimes I'm matching the music, and that's what all that stuff I have is for. And some of it's exalting and celebratory. It's different stages of the practice. Well, let's talk about your Lateis book The Trauma Code, Okay, and. I never read here. You know, as you get into that, what is the main point of the book, And what are you trying to accomplish for people that are reading? What is the outcome that you seek for them? Yeah, Well, over the years of working with people, what I noticed is that the place that people are suffering is so close to their superpowers, their great greatest gifts.

20:21 And I say that you're born with a unique in original configuration, like an acorn that wants to become an oak tree. And when you have trauma, which are just the unresolved events of the past, big or small by the way, like it doesn't have to be like abuse or something, your energy gets stuck and the trajectory of your life changes and it's harder to fulfill that. So there's the adverse effects of trauma. But the value of trauma I see it as compost in the garden, not garbage, meaning that if you can unlock the energy, it has something to do with the fulfillment of this life purpose of this acorn becoming an oak tree. So what I call the trauma code, which is the name of the book, is that you're like you're trying to swipe your phone to unlock it, Like you have to get the value the lesson of trauma in order to fulfill your life purpose.

21:19 So trauma has a value and I can see that this configuration most definitely inside the breath work and what I my main message in the book is twofold. There's certain specific effects of trauma, and they are false interpretation of reality. Through the lens of trauma. You see things incorrectly. And the other is you're adverse to feeling You're adverse to just feeling emotion. But the other main message is that trauma isn't just garbage to be gotten rid of. It has something to do with why you're here. And when you can unlock the energy of trump instead of living in the adverse effects of it, it becomes part of the fulfillment of your life purpose.

22:10 Okay, I want to get into this a little bit more because I find this fascinating. So, you know, and as you define trauma, you're not talking necessarily about the heavy trauma that we hear about a lot, you know, physical. Emotional, all of that. But as you as you said so often as a child, you know, for instance, you know, I'm growing up and my dad makes a comment and he's trying to help me, but my perception is is that he's criticizing me that he's. Saying to me, maybe he was, Yeah, maybe he was. And so he's saying, you know what, You're no good, You're not any good. And what I have observed over the years, knowing for myself, but as I've done a lot of these interviews from people who have experienced it.

22:57 And then have come out of it are now trying. To up other people with that, is that it affects their lives in a negative way. Oftentimes that trauma or those negative experiences or subconscious you know, whatever you want to call it, the triggers will literally cause them to make choices to go in a certain direction, and they're realizing at some point in time that they really are not experiencing the life that they want to live, that they're not really fulfilling their purpose, so on and so forth. So for me, what's curious, and it brings some other things to my mind that I'm not going to get into right yet. But as you talk about those experiences with trauma whatever it happens to be, and perceptions that we have as individuals that can be different, how on earth does that help someone to understand and become a positive aspect in their life and help them in their purpose.

24:01 So is there an example that you can share of a specific of a specific trauma that you worked with with someone and how that how you are able to help them to move that from a negative to a positive situation. Well, you said a lot, So let's just side back. No, no, no, that's good. It's good. And I'm interested in the place where you were smiling and said I'm not going to get into that because I know there's something interesting there. A part of me wants to say, let's talk about whatever it is you didn't want to talk about, But let me just say there's trauma and conditioning, and conditioning is like a drip drip day to day. So if you're you know, you're you want to be a stewardess and your your father says you can only be uh a secretary. Yeah, I want to you know, you want to be an airline pilot and your father says you can only be a stewardess. Like there's this slow drip of conditioning, both within family and community and society that tells you that dissuades you out of being who you really are. And some of that even as just tribal like to survive you've got to fit in a certain way, and I think that is in more insidious and also very harmful. Just what you were talking about if your father said something so all of I don't think there's a human being that's not affected by traum and conditioning either, just because it doesn't matter what happened, it's how you felt about it. So if you felt criticized, Let's say you were I don't know, left in your crib for

25:32 an extra ten minutes and you thought you were going to die or something like. It's it's not necessarily about the judgment of bad things doing things, bad people doing things to people. So but I think your question is how is that a good thing? It's that if I were to summarize what you're asking and like, how can and can I give you an example so the twenty thousand people like, I mean, I could just pick out it. I could be generic, or I could even speak about myself. Here's an interesting one. I I got in a lot of trouble for I'm as sagittarius. If you're astrologic familiar, I speak truth. And I was a very curious little boy, and I just triggered the crap out of my mother for sure, like just my general nature was irritating her because I was very exploratory and like I quickly learned, and she was volatile, so I quickly learned, and she was abusive with my brother. So I was like, okay, I'm not gonna I don't want to get abuse. So I became kind of very shy, very quiet, and I didn't talk. And you can see I'm now, I'm I'm annoying how much I at least my kids tell me that, but but I so I didn't speak, and when I did, I was always reading around me what was the right and wrong thing to say. So my real truth was

27:04 always sort of behind the lines. And in a way, you know, my life purpose is very much to communicate a truth to people. My business partner, Sarah says, I live on Mole Hill Mountain. If I'm working with somebody and they say something and I see something interesting and something they're just passing over, I'll stop and like a dog with a bone, I'll just stay with the detail that because my attention and my ability now is the places that I was so uncomfortable because I didn't want to trigger someone else's upset is exactly what I'm comfortable with, and it's a gift I have is just to be able to slow down, which most people don't do, and be and to be uncomfortable and be with things, whether they're popular or not. And I just wrote this in a newsletter. My mom passed in twenty ten. We healed up, we had we had a very good relationship at the end.

28:07 But whenever I was in those trauma patterns, I was super forgetful, always losing stuff. And anyway we were on our way to the funeral, I in mad dash wrote my little eulogy and left it in the limo. And when I got up in front of people to give the eulogy by my mom, I had to do the very thing that I got in trouble for, which was improvise in the moment and speak truthfully from my heart, which and so I just got up and I had this revelation. I just told the people that were there that this was the difficulty, this was the thing between my mother and I, and that in a way, she trained me for the life that I was meant to live, which was to help people see very uncomfortable truths and be able to be open and say things regardless of its popularity. And I think that would be that would be one example. But if I'll just say one of the things, just a garden variety thing, is I mean, you're a doctor, right, I was a dentist for years. Yes, so you're a dentist. Okay, Well, it's just I'm thinking about how people enter into service industries to help other people and then get kind of pulled into different kinds of bureaucracy and bullshit and and you. And the thing is,

29:38 you think you're trying to help society, and then you find out that that, like this, society wants you to do it a certain way, and your ability to pull away from it often is in a way to reclaim the very sort of what's word I'm looking for, Like there's a way in which our parents are our first institution and we try to please them, and like when you step away from that, you realize that you were sorry. I have a better example forgive me for rambling. Your life is like a movie. If there was no conflict and no adversity to get over, then we wouldn't watch it. So the things that happen at the beginning of your life give you the motivation the fuel to like to have that thing at the end credits where he's driving on the highway and he feels like he's finally figured out and he's free or whatever. I think that's what we're all doing. We're all overcoming the adversity of the things that we felt harmed by when we were young.

30:39 But we have to be willing to experience them in order to release them. That's what I do with breathwork. Well, and you know, as fascinating and as I said, something that came to my mind as I watched different social media and I watch because I'm on it, and I kind of get a kick of doing that. You know, I shouldn't do that, but I do. And it's more of an observation that I find is there's so much victimhood. Whether it's about the country, whether it's about politics, whether it's about religion, whatever it is, there's so much victimhood that comes across and oftentimes, you know, I hear people will say, you know, why would God let this happen to me? And when you were talking about the fact that all of our experiences, if we somehow are able to move them into a different level of awareness, they become the very strength that helps us to fulfill life purposes.

31:40 You absolutely got it right. I don't think there's such an I think the idea of victim is a lie. It doesn't exist. You create your own reality, and whether you know it or not, you certainly create it by your just your attitude and reaction to anything in any situation. But if you have something to fulfill this life and you've come to do it, every experience in your life is trying to help you to do that, even the terrible ones that you don't like. And when you come to discover this not just as an idea but an actual truth inside you, you realize you're never the victim. Is the idea that you have no choice or agency. Now, as a child, of course, you're still unconscious, so your soul chooses the life that you're having, but you can't really control those things that happen to you. But as an adult, because there's no children probably listening to our podcast, your podcast, But as an adult, everything that you have you have a choice in. And so to say that you're a victim of something is taking away your responsibility, but your agency to do something about the life that you have and you can see that people often with the worst things have done them. Nelson Mandela is in prison for almost thirty years. Like you know, people who complain,

33:11 which I think is sort of what you're talking about. It's a complaint. You're saying, I got a complaint about life. If you do that, you're inherently being in the negative. You're not saying, this is what I want to create, this is where I want to go. Your life purpose is somewhere you want to go. And trauma makes you have the attitude that somehow you're not in control of it when. You are well and oftentimes and I'm fascinated by, you know, personalities, I'm fascinated by emotional levels of awareness and so forth. And I watch this and I see people that are stuck in anger. They're just stuck there and they don't seem to be able to get out. Here's my question for I've never been stuck in anger. No, no, never had a problem with that.

33:56 You should watch me trying to communicate with the type people here and get frustrated because I don't speak tired and they don't speak English. But anyway, if you want to know how someone is with anger, just watch them when they're driving. Yes, so here's the question. You know, people go through their lives and as you say, I love the movie aspect of this, you know, people have got a life movie and so often that movie in their life, they never really are aware or they have not become aware that you know what, I can change this. I do not have to suffer. I do not have to experience this negativity. What have you found or some of the key elements to help someone to be able to have some signposts that they can look at as they're listening to this and go, oh, you know what, Yeah, I'm experiencing that, and yes, I'm experiencing this, and all of a sud An awareness comes about within their mind to where they realize that, you know what I need to make a change number one and number two, I can make a change.

35:12 Well, if people are listening to the podcast. This is one step which is just knowledge and information. But the challenge of knowledge and information on its own is that we're already traumatized from having been trained to make our minds, our linear minds, the most powerful aspect of life. And then you get rewarded for how much stuff you can learn and regurgitate and in a way. It keeps people in the same matrix that they don't even it keeps you unconscious. You use the word awareness, So I think it's really important to identify what are we looking for. I think we're looking to me. I say, there's and I write this in my book, there's four levels of the mind. Because the body mind is a mind too, so we have different processes, you know, thinking processes, if you will. But the soul, the higher self, the thing that's come to live this life. You have to get connected to it. That has to be step one because if you're trying to live your life solely from the linear mind, information is not going to transform you except at the very very beginning. You have to have visceral even you know, universe is creative like that's you have to have experiences in life that give you that like momentary realization. So I say it's like a three legged stool. One.

36:42 You have to have a practice of some kind and you can't be compulsion. You can't shouldn't do a practice that you hate. If you don't like meditating, don't meditate because you know it's not that fun. I mean sitting doing nothing and watching your breath is is not for the faint of heart in a way because people are you know so, but having a practice. If you want to get better at tennis, you're going to have to practice. But if you really if you won the high school tennis tournament, but you want to play in Wimbledon, you're going to need a teacher. So too is have a guide, have somebody who's knows more than you about the subject that you're studying. So if I have a teacher who calls it the spiritual gym, like, what are you going to do in the spiritual gym? So you pick the thing that will help you to gain better awareness, and then you find somebody to help you see about yourself what you can't see. I mean, this is all I've been doing my adult life with others. But also I have teachers and have had teachers. So you're and then practice every day whatever it is because you can't. It's one thing to have a realization that's not going to just change your life in that moment. It might change the direction of your life, but you have to live it.

38:14 The thing that I had said earlier about movement and why I use movement, is that trauma is like is like a static state. It's your energy in a certain state. But when you're we're not static. We're moving through life. So you have all these unconscious habit patterns when you go to fulfill your life. So if you have a practice, you also have to do the practice out in your life. And that's I use movement for that with people because I love internal you know, it's based on Taoism ten animals.

38:54 So these practices are to teach you how to be authentic in your life. So I'm seeing three things. Have a practice, have a teacher, and go out into the marketplace and practice, go out into life, and try to be that practice in your life. Well, and my favorite topic, that's why I can. Yeah, and I think you hit it on the head. You know, we've got we've got to decide that we're actually going to do something about it. And that's as people are watching your podcast that they are those people, right. Yeah. So so here's my question with what you're doing. Okay, And and I find it fascinating. Do people get to a point where you've worked with them and you know, I don't know how many sessions you would need to work with someone, but do they get to the point where they're able to lie down and do that figy breath work on their own without your guidance, or do they constantly need to be with you.

39:54 Well, you they there's complexity what you said, there's three things. First of all, with the breathwork itself. Yes, it's rigorous and challenging to breathe full for an hour without stopping because of the nature of trauma, and that's why you do it. Eventually you can some people can do it very at the very beginning, and then as they get going, it gets harder. But there is a certain amount of it and a certain amount of the breath work you can do, and then you're mostly cleared of like big traumas, and then it does sort of become more like a meditation. If somebody's becoming a facilitator of the breath work, like I'm training them in a program, it's a nine month program.

40:42 They at some. Point around six months in one of their pieces of homework is to go lay down and breathe on their own by themselves. So yes to that. I don't. I've had people I've worked with like being a guy, beings people's guides, like I've had relationships over many, many years, and sometimes someone just meets me once. But working with me privately isn't so much what I'm doing now. I'm more in group work with little bits of private work. So but you know, I love to work with people, but the individual work part of me breathworks still not in the mainstream. And I had a vision thirty years ago.

41:32 I saw myself at Madison Square Gardens breathing ten thousand people, and I'm not going to I would like to see breath work become as mainstream as yoga did. And if I keep just one to one to one to one and not so much so I don't do is that much as much private work as I used to. So I have programs all the time going on. Is it a daily practice or is it something you do each week or is it you can do? You can do a lot of it if you're willing to be in the sea change of what happens, because it will accelerate your karma, it will accelerate your lessons in your life. So if your life is really let's say you're in the you know, a long term marriage with lots of problems and all you know, like it could collapse, your life because it's a mysterious practice, how it affects the your magnetism, your outer life. Like you might breathe and then you're someone who doesn't talk to you in twenty years calls you out of the blue.

42:40 It's got a bit of that quality to it. But it really brings up a lot and you have to integrate those changes. So you only want to do as much as you can handle. So sometimes if people are in a bad way and a lot of urgent stuff, doing a lot of it is great because they're just gonna make it better. But if you're slow going in a huge bureaucracy of your life that you're at the center of, maybe once week or once a month. Yeah, I myself breathe some every day. I don't need to breathe for an hour. I just like it, So do I do some myself. I have not breathed in probably seven years. Wow, Even if I get up at three in the morning, go to the airport, I breathe because it just it just keeps my pipes clean.

43:28 That's great. And you know, as we're coming to a close here, how do people find you? Because obviously people that are listening are going to want to at least get to your website and maybe even see what you offer. Yeah, and I have a partner he named Sarah Charmoli. She sort of administrates but also a teacher. But if you Effigy Breath e f Fiji Effigybreadth dot com is my website if you just click the contact link. If you want to speak to me directly, send me a message. I'm totally happy to hear from other humans. And you know there's I have a newsletter. It goes out almost every day. If you don't want to hear from me that much, that don't subscribe. You will be annoyed. I have my book. There is like this, this we every we pop up virtual breaths. Now it's not on a schedule.

44:23 Next year, I'm doing a year a year long personal development program and facilitator training, so there's like something for every level. Yeah, okay, And as we close, what would be the message that you'd like to share with the audience that they can remember. Every human being has a unique energetic configuration. That is your life purpose. It's who you're meant to become, and all the things that we are doing in our life, even the mistakes we're making in the process, are some part of us that's trying to fulfill that. Don't give up on yourself because that potential is there even in the most difficult of circumstances. That acorn is trying to become an oak tree at all times.

45:25 Oh wonderful, Elijah. This has been fascinating. I appreciate so much. And I'm going to get your book. Is it not audible or is it strictly it is unaudible? Yeah, and Spotify and and Amazon and my website. So perfect perfect. Hey, well, thanks so much. I really really enjoyed talking with you. Oh I enjoy this. This was great and we could go on for hours, I think. But are you a Sagittarius? I know I'm an Aries, so I'm okay. It's the fire, That's how I feel. Yes, there you go. Anyway, Thanks so much, and folks, thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed this and look forward to having you join us again soon. This is doctor Doug saying no mistay