That Which We Resist Persists - Energy, Emotion, and the Art of Letting Go

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0:44 Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Hegg you welcome to the show. Hi. Yeah, my name is Peggy Overtha and I'm a medical intuitive or energy intuitive and I'm based in Melbourne, Australia, and I have been doing this work for a few years now. I only discovered these intuitive gifts through a reading of I had about a couple of years ago. And I get to work with clients every day and help them discover their own intuitive gifts as well. And I do that online and I work in groups and about to launch a mentorship to teach people how to enhance their own intuitive gifts.

1:26 Well, that's great, let's talk about that, because I think that so many people don't understand what it is to be able to be intuitive, to have that ability to understand other people. And it can be at a very small level. And obviously what you've been able to tap into with the gift that you've received. Is at a very high level. So what is it that people are able to tap into that energy of another individual and have that empathic or intuitive capability to be able to understand perhaps what they're thinking, what their challenges are, and so forth. I think it's a unique ability, and yet I think that people don't understand that they can tap into it, even for themselves.

2:17 Yeah, it's so true, and a lot of people don't realize they are intuitive. I guess for me, the way I look at it as like analogy, is that there's the cloud or the stream of consciousness or source however you want to call it, and all this information is held in the cloud, and I just get emails. I think that's the analogy that I like to use. Now some people have so my intuitive abilities came in as knowings. But when because I'm very curious and I read a lot of books, sometimes the information will come in. I thought, oh no, I've read that in a book, or I can see the pattern, or I understood the pattern. So there are people that have pattern recognition abilities. But that is actually part of your intuitive gifts. Of gifts come you know, people call it your third eye. It is your connection to the you know, the energy that is the quantum field as we were speaking before, right, So it's energy is neither created or destroyed. So I just have the capacity and most every Honestly, I would like to believe that a lot of people do to be able to tap into someone's energy, and I'm just the only thing I can do, though, is if you are allowing me to help you understand your soul. I can't just you know, go in a room and go he's like this, and he's thinking that he's thinking that it's an exchange. So when I start talking to someone all of a sudden that they might open up and then I start getting all this information that will come in and I can see like you know, you reached out

3:48 to me and ask me if I wanted to be and I could. I saw your picture and I thought, oh wow, this guy has beautiful energy. I could I could feel your energy. I could feel the sense that you have a big heart space and that you have your own intuit abilities. Like that was something that came through. So it is the capacity to understand that your wisdom is not just the experiences that you have from this lifetime. It is the wisdom that you carry from through your DNA, through past lives, through your connection to source or divine God. You know, there is this cloud of information where all the everyone's I guess, the all knowing of information that's existed on earth. It's all there. And when you have your open heart, you're acting from your pure authenticity and you want to be in divine creational service. That information comes in a little bit more easy, but you can't.

4:48 You have to start. You can't just it. Some people just comes in, but you've really got to sit in meditative practice. Sometimes you just start to find tune in. I mean that's another topic, right. So it comes in as it can come in as a knowing, which is your clear cognizance. It can come in as visuals. Some people get those visualizations understanding very quickly the big picture and the pattern That's another sort of gift that people have. They take vast amounts of information and just get a patterns very very quickly, and also feeling and sensing what other people are feeling and sensing. So you get this clear sentiences like inside your body. So when I'm tuning into a client, sometimes I will get I will get a twinge in my left hip and I'll go, ooh, is your left hip sore? And they say yes, So there's this mirror neurons that are this thing that's happening, which is scientifically proven what you're feeling. I'm feeling as well.

5:47 And then the process through the session would be for me as I'm trying to calm my nervous system down and I'm holding a particular frequency, that person is just tuning into my frequency and that helps them release and vibrate at a particular level to help release what's no longer serving them well. And you know, you talk about what's no longer serving them. So as you work with people, what do you find is happening to them from a standpoint of you know, I interviewed someone just the other day and it was so true because I've actually experienced this where our health is so dependent on the energy that exists within us, and oftentimes some of that negative energy can affect our health so far beyond what we really understand. And also from what I can understand is sometimes when you can correct that, you start to see a healing process occur.

6:46 And as you said, you. Know, when we get into this concept of quantum field and so forth, scientifically they are showing that it is really valid. So we're starting to see science validate many things. But what is it? What is it that causes people. To start to feel ill health in your experience and are there some major reasons or is it all across the board for people? That's a great question. It is. It can be complex and could also be simplified. I mean, for me, what I see when I tune into people's bodies a lot of time is stuck emotion. We have a society that hasn't really been able to allow and express feelings in a way that's valid without sort of building shame. And then also then even if we're let's say we express our anger we might have judgment or resistance about that anger.

7:40 Then that creates even more energy, trapped energy. So it was really interesting. So when I see the there's actually some studies that prove this, Like when you speak out loud your feelings and you say I'm feeling sad, So I can see the energy come off someone when they just say that. It's like this vocal energy release that happens. And if we allow ourselves to express our feelings exactly as they are before rationalizing, before intellectualizing, there can be an energetic release. So a lot of people who have perhaps gone through traumatic experiences, they might have gone through therapy where they're talking through the whole thing, but the energy still might be caught in wherever it is it gets caught. I see patterns like you see a lot of digestive issues are really around the sense of shame, guilt, powerlessness, thyroid is a lot of trapped you know, frustration, unexpressed emotions.

8:41 I see all that stuff in the throat chakra. Some people just you know, they have to hold back their truth all the time they had. They're very authentic, but they live in a world where you know, it's it's not it's difficult to be authentic or you know you've been taught, you know, be good, be kind, so you hold back. And it doesn't mean that you have to walk around giving truth bombs to everybody and being really mean and over assertive or whatever. It's just that if you felt frustrated from an exchange of talking with somebody who's just not nice, you have to then you have to. It's really powerful to say, oh God, that was frustrating, and you're just driving in your car and you say, oh my god, she just irritated me. And I'm going to let that go now, and I'm going to just I might send her some love or something because I'm having compassion for her in her situation. Like that's sort of the really evolved way of coming from an exchange like that, where you're feeling frustrated, You express how you're feeling, which is valid, but then you just let it go right, you try to release it, and then that energy is not stuck anymore. So I see stuck emotions. See I see subconscious programming that happens between zero to seven. So these limiting beliefs around not feeling lovable, I mean, you know that concept of getting of under feeling like you are lovable. It happens between the ages like you know, zero to seven and how many times of our parents have said to us, all of our behavior is tied to like what we're doing rather than just who we are inherently. So we all have a lot of us

10:11 have had this skewed understanding of like, I'm only lovable if I do something, if I perform a certain way, if I look a certain way. So we get tied to those external recognition of self worth, and then when they don't happen, we feel bad about ourselves. So there's like the shame and self loathing. And the worst case scenario is when you know obviously you've had abusive caregivers. I see those as really stuck limiting beliefs and patterns and looping thoughts of I'm not worthy, I'm not lovable, I'm stupid, I'm you know, those kinds of things that they really get stuck in the body as well. And they can if you're not processing your shame, if you're not processing your sadness, your anger, that stuff gets stuck in the body. And I see a lot of a lot of digestive issues, uh, you know, lower limb issues. Yeah, a lot of the chronic pain that can't be explained by an injury. And that that's what I see now, what I see people really being able to release this tension.

11:16 So within within a session, you know, when we when we start to unpack, Okay, there's this anger stuck in see too, let's and I can see okay that happened when you're something out when you were five, and they say, oh, yeah, this happened, and then we just say, well, you're allowed to feel that anger. We express that anger, and we hold that five year old in your heart space, we release it like they're doing all the work. I'm just holding this vibration and then oh they said, oh my pain has gone out of my neck. So it's pretty pretty cool when that happens because it's just literally just the energy just leaves as you express well. And you know what I find interesting too, and we want to talk to you about this is that you know, we experience life and you actually said it, and you know as you were talking that you know this whole concept of I need to do versus I need to be and and you know, as I as I was working with small businesses, when I was doing some business consulting, I would use this, you know, I would talk about and it's a universal concept of you know, what are the key indicators of what's going on. Let's look at what's going on and if you see that you're not reaching where you want to be, what things do we need to change? And it seems to me that as we experience life, that we can literally look at our life as key indicators.

12:38 In our life. And if we're not experiencing that happiness, that clarity, that joy, all of that type of thing, then there's something going on energetically within us that is creating that reality for us. And you know, you talk about past lives. I'm I haven't thought about that that I'm not going to get into. I'd love to chat. It's not that I disagree, but. I think that DNA and you know, I think that the DNA people don't understand the DNA memory within their bodies has a history going back so many hundreds of thousands of years, and sometimes that can poke up and we cannot understand why I have this feeling, and you know, and yet it's DNA and it goes from hundreds of years ago and now it's poking its head up and creating an issue for us. So I think I want to talk a little bit about how we can experience a better life and how we can gain clarity into our lives when we realize that, you know what, I don't like what's going on right now in my life.

13:54 I keep having these experiences that are not great, and I'm not happy. And so for you know, they tend to be a victim mode. They tend to blame everybody else or circumstances or whatever, rather than being able to take the responsibility to say, you know what, there's some energy within me that's got to change. Yeah. It is one of the hardest things for people to shift is the victimhood. And again I think that comes through the DNA, because we have these really strong patterns, ancestral patterns of suffering, self sacrifice and martyrdom and victim hunt and you know, and some of our religious you know, discussion or religious programming is we are rewarded for being a martyr, we are rewarded for suffering. It's like this selfless service. Right. So it's a fine line because I don't think the message about selfless service was at the cost of our own health, you know. And I think that you know the Bible because I grew up Catholic.

14:49 I mean, I don't think Jesus ever wanted us to, you know, give to the point where we are then all of a sudden, we have an immune you know, an autoimmune disorder. Like it's like, you know, you have to love your sell first and really make sure that your oxygen mask is on you before you're putting your oxygen mask on. And I don't think that message is really put out enough, right, So part of the part of that release is understanding that those thoughts that you're having that are looping those belief patterns, that's not true. That's not your true I am, those are just constructs. That is that has got nothing to do with your soul. That is, your soul is just pure love and authenticity.

15:32 That's what your soul wants you to express, your authentic self of just being exactly as you are. And if you your soul is perfect, right, you're you know, you're you are a perfect expression of love. And you have all of these experiences that try to make you think that you're not. And the goal of this lifetime is to remember that you're actually you are perfect just the way you are, if you if you bear it back down to your soul, which is love. Right, And the key I think is just to what your thoughts. Your thoughts are not real, they're just things that are keeping you stuck in certain patterns and when But then of course there's this other subtle thing about the resistance to what is, So there's you know, the more you fight something sometimes it has even more power. So it's a really difficult process for people to go, Okay, well I'm having this thought, I'm noticing this thought. I just want to I don't want to hate that thought too much, because then that's going to give it more power. It's like you have to just notice it and have a neutral and just let it go and go back to the center. Like I don't know if that makes sense, but it's a it's an ongoing process for people through the examining themselves and understanding what's driving their behavior.

16:53 Well, and you know, you bring up something, you bring up the fact that you're a Catholic, and you know, I'm very much into theology. But one of the things that I've seen happen over the historically, over the years is you have quote a truth, and all of a sudden, over the years, people step in and literally change it a little bit, and the kings want to change this a little bit to fit whatever their needs are, and all of a sudden you have something that quote is truth that has nothing to do with the original. And you know, one thing I notice a lot, and I do this too, is that as we talk about quote source, as we talk about you know, the love within us, the soul and so forth, we've tended to move away from this concept of we're children of God and that source is God. And why do you think that happened?

17:53 I do it. I do it because I don't want to offend people that are not necessarily religious. But why is it that is it? As a group of people, we have gotten to the point where we don't acknowledge that divine source within us, and we use different words to kind of, you know, calm it down a little bit. Yeah, I think I think. Well, I mean, for you know, the way I grew up in my era, like the Catholic Church got a bad rap, right, they didn't do some nice things to you know, as an institution. And I think that we equate particular religions with God rather than just seeing God as separate. Right, So like there's spirituality, which is God and source or divine, and then there's and then there's religion. So if you've had if you've moved away from your religion, you tend to move away from the symbolic words that associate with that religion. But really it's the same, it's the same thing, it doesn't you know, it's the I don't know if that makes sense.

18:57 I think that if people have been if they're moved away from the organized religion, then they tend to refer to those Yeah, so those concepts without the word God the. Times they move away from the whole thing, which I find interesting because as they do that they've lost you know, there's always good in everything, and yes, when you look at the different religious organizations, you can always go in and find some tremendous value. And yet when people leave, sometimes they just completely push that away completely and it changes their lives where they're no longer appreciating the value that was there. And how do you help people to get back at least to the point where they can start to get that intuition, that inspiration, that understanding of the divinity within themselves and the goodness within themselves.

19:58 How do you help people to achieve that? Well, that's actually something that they have to do themselves. All I can do is highlight the divinity within themselves and then from there they can then see that stuff reflected back to them. That's how it works. You know. I love our this conversation because I've got a beautiful nine year old father who studied, you know, he studied become a priest for five years before he met my mom, and the Catholic Church won't let you marry. So we have these discussions a lot about religion and theology, and so I do, and I do see the incredible value of sense of connection. And you know, this ability for religion and churches and communities to just look after each other in this immensely heart centered, altruistic way. It's just this you know, sense of belonging. So I think that it's played such an important role for so many people.

20:56 I mean my family in particular, you know, the Catholic Church and the coast to Canada where my my aunties are from. It it's just it's such a beautiful place of solace. So I think I can't help. I can't force anybody. All I can do is help shine the beauty and love within them and then from there they make their choices of where they're most aligned to connect to. And yeah, I think that's the that's the only thing that I can do. It's as a as a practitioner working with energy well. And I think that points to the fact that I think you hit it on the head. Is a personal responsibility. We can't you know.

21:38 And one of the things that I've talked about before, and I think I see one of your talking points about you know, we go to therapists, we go to all of these people to get help, and you know, you have this talking that goes on, the conversations that go on and on and on, and nothing ever happens. And I this hit me really hard when I had my dental practice and I found a certain area that I love to work on, which was really helping people with chronic pain in their head and neck area. And you know, dentistry decided to label it TMJ and you know TEMPERAMANDIB your joint and people would come into my to my practice and say, oh doctor, I have TMJ.

22:24 You know, my personality is to look at it and say, no, you have two one on this side and one on that side, so what are your problems? And it's like. Oh, well, I'm having headaches or I'm just having job pain or so on and so forth. And so that then allowed us to get into what the root cause was, which really had to do with a neuromuscular element that was not working correctly for them. And so what I find is that people are not really willing to get into that root cause, and oftentimes as they go through this talk, therapy, on and on and on, they never get.

23:05 Into the cause of what's really causes the problem. And how do you, as you're working with people, what do you observe how do they ultimately get to the point where they accept the responsibility to say, Okay, I've got to look within myself and figure this out, and you're helping me because of your intuitive capabilities to kind of guide me in a certain direction. How do you help people to get to that point? Because you must meet people that are wanting the help but they don't want to do the work. Well, I have to say, I'm going to be completely frank that almost I would say ninety nine percent of my clients have seen me on a spiritual type podcast.

23:53 They are at the stage where they read, feel see energy, They understand they have some stuff and they want some help. Most of my clients have done the work, they've done the talk therapy, they have the self awareness. They just want assistance in helping release the blocks that they can feel within themselves that are preventing them from, you know, perhaps one hundred percent vitality. So I'm very lucky that I very rarely get those. I mean, at the start of my I did get a lot of people like that. That's a tough conversation, you know, because I want to meet people where they're at and I want to be really compassionate. I also want to validate anybody's experience. So when you're having the it does take at a certain point where you have to say, have you ever thought about this? And then I also try to use my own personal experience saying, look, I understand I used to identify with this victim, like I used to be a professional victim. I loved my victim stories, you know, I inherited that from my mother, Like we all we were just victims, right, And so it's shedding that so I try to relate it on a personal level. I try to use a bit of humor. I try to just I try to let people understand, you know, everyone's doing their best, but you know, perhaps just planting a few seeds that it's the thoughts and the rigidity of how they're viewing the world that is creating their limited their limiting beliefs and their pain. And getting back to the job, which is really interesting. So I see that tension, that's

25:24 a lot of story to anger. It's honestly people. And what I love about you is that you probably intuitively knew about that, and you have this beautiful empathic presence, so you didn't realize you're kind of doing hands on healing with them because you just hold people in that space and just with beautiful empathy, So you didn't even realize that's what you're doing. But it's like you're treating the muscle, but you're actually treating the whole person as this with empathy. And also, what I loved about what you did it was that you're getting people not to cling to the stories and the labels, like that's a major problem we have with psychology medicine. It's just these I have depression, I have anxiety. It's like, no, I'm feeling anxious. I'm feeling sad, and I've been sad for a very long time. If we label this depression, then it's almost like it's this self fulfilling thing. We're just you know, and rather than saying, well, it's actually okay for everything that you've been through to you for you to feel sad, rather than just this label that keeps people stuck and in an identity of that, rather than just having it as part of the human experience, they're completely identifying with the label.

26:34 Well, oh, I love that you bring up the word label, because I hadn't thought about it in that direction. But it's so true that we tend to get labeled, and as we get labeled, all of a sudden, wow, there comes the judgment. There comes all of those type of things, not only external judgment, but self judgment of. Who we are. And you know, to be able to absolutely room labels from who we are again, that becomes a challenge in our lives. You know, I sit and think about the people that are listening to this, and I you know, I guarantee you there are some that are the lovely you're talking about where they've done the work and so forth, and they find this fascinating, and other people who are listening.

27:19 Going, how do I do this? How do I change? I am not happy? But how do I do that? And I look at that and go, how, Yeah, how do we help people that are not experiencing that ability to move forward and understand that, you know what, you can change your life experiences if you're willing to. Yeah, well, I really like to just meet people exactly where they're at to start off with. Because if I start saying you need to change you're there's something wrong with the way you are, then it creates more shame and resistance. So I think the very first step is saying, hey, you know, I get it. I understand why you are at and I understand how hard it is to change.

28:07 I like that deep empathy and genuine connection because really people are dying for to be seen authentically exactly as they are, and just to be accepted in a safe in a safe way. So if you're like an EmPATH and you don't even want to express your feelings because you're worried about the other person's sadness or anxiety or judgment, So that's how I usually start, is in that full acceptance of where they're at and just an acknowledgment of how hard it's been for them, how challenging it's been for them, et cetera, et cetera, Because in that space there can be a softening, right and an opening of like, Okay, what's the possibility now? Because I've been fully seen and I'm accepted the way I'm at, Okay, what's possible from here?

28:58 Let's just let's just do my crow steps of like, you know, changing a little bit of like what if what if there's a possibility if you just saw yourself a little bit differently today? You know, it's like, but we don't want to judge yourself too much for how we are, you know, because then that creates even more shame in this spral. Yeah, well, you know, interesting Over the last actual month, and this is a personal thing for me, I have found that all of. A sudden, I get angry, I get upset. I get frustrated, and I know part of it is, you know, I'm here in a country that I don't understand the language, and to a large agree, I don't understand the culture, and it's so different, and you know, things happen and it's just like, oh, and I'm going, okay, I'm recognizing this, but there's a difference between recognizing it and releasing it. Yeah, and I'd love for you to talk a little bit about how do you help people who can recognize what's going on but not really understanding how how do I release it? How do I how do I release that frustration, that anger that is popping up that just doesn't make sense. I'll be playing golf and I get so ticked off if I'm not making a great shot and you know, those type of things, whereas in other times it's like, oh okay, it doesn't make a difference.

30:22 I'm just having fun. So interesting, I think where I would Okay, So the first thing I would start with you with the golf, for example, is it's not about the golf shot. But what I'm what I'm feeling, particularly is that you don't want to be frustrated, right, yeah, right, you don't like yourself being frustrated, you don't like yourself being angry. So all of a sudden, when you have resistance to what is, it makes it even bigger. Okay, so this is the thing, but you're What I would say is you're allowed not to like feeling frustrated, You're allowed to not like feeling angry.

31:04 We literally just start with it's okay to hate feeling frustrated, It's okay to have these emotions that you don't want to have. Like it's a really interesting way to start off with it, because we wouldn't say it's okay to feel frustrated, because actually that doesn't resonate with you. You don't want to be frustrated. You don't like yourself being frustrated. You're judging yourself for being frustrated because you're like, I should be better than this. I've got this hard, I can see the bigger picture. Why am I feeling frustrated? Right? So it's funny just by realizing that you judge yourself for feeling frustrated, and you're like, actually, it's okay to judge myself for feeling frustrated, or I'm just noticing that I'm judging myself for feeling frustrated. I don't like judging myself for feeling frustrated. Like it's just that deep acknowledgment, and then from there it literally can release because when we just tap into exactly what is, and we allow what is just to be part of our human experience.

32:02 There is this sense of expansion, There is a sort of like a little bit of space. It's just a little bit of self acceptance for the present moment. Well, and that is fascinating and I think so accurate. You know, you said something and I have there's a quote that I've remembered for years that which we resist persists. Yeah, yeah, and you know you said it in a different way, but it's so true. And you know what I love, and you really talked about this the acknowledgment, the ability to acknowledge what's going on rather than resisting it. To me, it's so fascinating and it makes such a difference.

32:43 And as I've talked to hundreds of people on this podcast and many who you know, talk about these different types of things, one of the key elements, and you have brought it up so well, is the fact that if we just acknowledge what we're feeling, that there's a song difference between acknowledgment and resisting, which tends to release it correct. Yeah. Like you know, when somebody is very heightened and angry and you say, calm down, Like nobody in the history of being told to calm down has ever felt, oh, yeah, that's a good idea. I'll just calm down now. Thanks for the reminder. I should have thought of that. Nobody ever thinks that. And when I used to work in schools and adolescents, and you'd have these raging kids and I was working in sort of like the discipline, they'd be sent to me, and the best way to calm someone down is just to go, I can see why you're angry. I can I can see why you're angry.

33:35 I can see you're angry. I can see you're frustrated. You know, let's walk over here, let's just and then all of a sudden, the tears might form. You know. It's like it's like, you know, they get sent out of a class. You just saying, is if you just start telling them straight away, well, they're they're frontal lobe there, sorry, they're prefrontal cortex is offline. They're not going to hear anything you're saying. You just have to meet the emotion. And people think you're fanning the flames of the emotion by saying it and labeling it so, but you're actually not you're diffusing it. So like with a child, you know, they're saying you're when a kid is crying and you say, well, you know, just get out. You're okay, You're okay, you're fine, you're fine, and the kids keeps crying and you go, no, no, you're okay. It's like you think you're distracting them enough to it's like, no, oh that hurts, Oh that doesn't feel nice. Come here, I'll give you a hug, and I can tell you it's much faster by just meeting that kid where they're at. They validate. It's, well, you banged your knee, it's gonna hurt you, just rub it.

34:32 Here's a hug. You know, let's keep going. It's just a little different, right, and you're meeting that person, and then all of a sudden that it's diffused, especially those temperaments where people feel things really intensely, Like there are certain temperaments, but you know, if you've got children. I've got one child who has a really strong sense like everything is really intense, and the other one is very different. If I just say, oh, I can understand why you're anxious, Thank you, mom, she just calms down. Like if I I say, oh, well, you know, you're looking at it this way and you should try to think of it this way, or like, she just keeps giving me more reasons to why she's anxious, and then it gets bigger and bigger. This is the key. We meet humans exactly where they're at that feel less judgment about themselves, and then all of a sudden it's diffused. It's like the errors coming out of the balloon. You know.

35:20 I have so many conversations. I have four kids. I have so many conversations with them about all right, what did I do as a parent that caused some of this stuff? And we laugh about it. We're all on really good communication and we laugh about, yeah, well dad, you did this, and here's what made me feel and so forth. But what great parenting advice to understand that how we respond to our children makes such a difference overall in their whole life experience and realizing that and I love what you said, rather than I'll get up, you know, and everything's okay, quick, crying, you know whatever, to just being able to acknowledge as a parent and show them a little bit more love that that makes such a difference for the child and yet in some cases we can't do that. And why can't we do that because we never experience that as a child, and therefore we have all those limiting beliefs and imprints.

36:24 Yeah exactly, and we it's it's been a vicious cycle, yeah for sure. And I think you know, and then some parents have gone so far the other way that they want to make sure they're shielding their child from any discomfort, which is not really what the human experience is all about. We are here to experience, yeah, the vast range of human experience, like joy and grief. That that's what we're here for. We only feel love, we you know, the grief means that you've really loved somebody, right, This is this is the duality, This is where this is the Earth game, you know, this is the human experience. So I think that there is a fine line. But one of the key things is a parent is for you to stay calm, right, because the child tunes into you that you are. You've got this coregulation capability. So if you're feeling calm, if your child's really really really sad, and then you have this like worry and anxious and you're feeling really anxious, which is okay, as again you but you have to notice that you know how much sadness can be affecting your beautiful empathic child. They're feeling yours, so they don't want to stay that. Some of those kids stop talking to their parents because they're so worried about their parents' reaction, and then they shut down. So, I mean, I used to teach parenting courses when I was working in high schools, and you know, we taught this emotional coaching, which is really it's just it's not authoritarian, it's not too lean. It's just literally saying, I see what you're You know, you can still set boundaries and be compassionate at the same time, but you just tune into the emotion.

37:52 Yes, And you know one thing that you talked about, one of your talking points that I saw was spiritual bypass and the importance of avoid it. Help me to understand in the age, what do you mean by a spiritual bypass and why does it need to be avoided? Well, I like this question because there is you know, when when if you think about the secret manifestation, all those kinds of like modalities about abundance, et cetera, there's an element of you know, affirmations, right, So they're like, I'm great, I feel fantastic. So those are That's what I mean by spiritual bypass is that you know, there's this thing, well, okay, well I don't want to vibrate in lower emotions like fear and sadness. I'm love and light. Right, That's what spiritual bypass is. They don't they just want to you completely ignore any of those because you just want to be positive. You want to be light and love.

38:45 But the problem with that is and look, it's really good to see the positive side, right, It's important. We want to be able to view life from a lens of love and beauty and wonder and appreciation and gratitude. That is that that's how we want to that's you know, your heart wants to expands when you vibrate at those particular frequencies. But the reality is that we do get sad, we do get angry, we do get we do have fear. Even when we're surrendering, we might have fear. Even if we trust, we still might have a bit of anxiety. You just notice it. You don't have to sit in longer than twenty or thirty seconds, But it's part of who you are because if you just bypass it, I see that stuff just get stuck in the body, you see, which is your body's wave, you know. I mean it happens to me like if I'm not completely honest with my own feelings, Like if I'm like, yeah, everything's great, everything's great, and I'm like, oh, I've got a twinge in my lower back. I wonder what that could be.

39:44 And it's like, oh, usually that's around your safety, your security, your finances and stuff like that. I'm like, oh, you know what, I've got that tax bill. Okay, it's coming up, and I'm like, oh, I hate my taxes. I don't want to have to pay my taxes. And I just have to express it. And then okay, thank you by for holding on to my frustration or my worry, and then I have to I just let it go. I can see my body as a barometer of my emotional internal system or sometimes I don't know what it is, and I just try I do some yoga moves or something and it'll just help it release. But I'm just softening into it. I'm just allowing and I say, I don't know what the emotion is but I don't want to release it right now. So really it goes back to that acknowledgement. Yeah, willing and able to acknowledge that, Hey, I'm feeling sad, I'm feeling frustrated, I'm feeling angry, or I'm feeling love, I'm feeling joy, whatever that happens to be. Yeah, and we accept the positive aspect, but we kind of resist the negative part, which I find interesting. So as we come to a close, what would be a message that you'd like to share with the audience.

40:50 Well, the highest vibration is authenticity. We think it's love, but you know, as a frequency, humans are craving connects with other humans at a beautiful, authentic level. That's what we're That is the most beautiful way to expand your heart, for you to feel love and connection is to just be your authentic self. And the more that we sit with our true authenticity, that's how we build our vitality. That's how we have happiness and contentment. And you know, and then we're operating. When we're operating from authenticity, we are living our soul's purpose. Oh love it, Peggy, Thanks so much. This has been a fascinating conversation.

41:35 I have loved speaking with you, Doug. Thank you so much for having me on the show. Well, I really appreciate it, And folks, I hope you've enjoyed this. And I think the message for Peggy is so important. That authenticity, that willingness to acknowledge whatever is going on, whatever emotion you're feeling, and being able to acknowledge versus resisting makes such a difference in our lives. So anyway, folks, thanks for listening. Hope join us again soon. This is doctor Doug Sane noms Day.