Nov. 24, 2025

Healing Core Wounds Through Chiron & Self-Forgiveness

Healing Core Wounds Through Chiron & Self-Forgiveness
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Lisa Tahir, author of The Chiron Effect, joins Dr. Doug to explore how Chiron in astrology reveals core emotional wounds and the path to healing through empathy, self-forgiveness, and conscious transformation. Blending psychotherapy with spiritual insight, Lisa shares practical tools and personal stories that help us rewire limiting beliefs and reclaim our inner worth. https://www.nolatherapy.com

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Lisa, Welcome to the show.

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Doctor Doug, thank you so much for having me. It's

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my delight to meet you and be here today.

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Oh and I see you have a friend already.

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This is Smellie Katch. She loves being in the podcasts.

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Oh that's great. Well, you know what I find interesting

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is I've done a little bit of research on this

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is that one of the comments that talks about how

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as we start to discover certain things, it not only

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shows us what's going on, but it also reflects a

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potential for healing and so on and so forth. What

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I'd love for you to do share with the audience

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number one, the name of your book, but also what

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did you experience in your life that brought you to

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the point that you're doing this?

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Okay, really good question.

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So my book title is called The Chiron Effect chi

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Ron keeling our core wounds meaning emotional wounds through astrology,

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empathy and self forgiveness. And the reason why this work

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is so important to me and why I am a therapist.

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I from six years old, doctor Doug. My parents remembered

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me saying I want to be a psychiatrist. And I've

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always been so curious about people and what makes us tick,

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like our habits, our patterns. And I know that our

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lives are composed of the thoughts that we think every

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day on repeat that become our beliefs. Those beliefs in

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form the actions that we take and that we don't take.

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And I really am inspired to help people expand those parameters,

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those boundaries that we put upon ourselves believing we can't

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or shouldn't. And that's why I really love working with

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people to help them heal, because as we heal ourselves,

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we're able to step more into the life that we

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really want to have and life meets us there.

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And what do what you think about that?

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Even well, and you know as you say that, I'm

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going to ask you to be real transparent if you're

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comfortable with it. Is what I find is that so

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often we are able to help others because of the

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actual experiences that we have had in our own lives.

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And for you, were there certain items or experiences that

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you had all that brought you to the point of

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being able to do that self discovery, heal and move

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into this direction.

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Absolutely.

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Yes.

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When I was younger, in fourth fifth grade, I was

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bullied for being slow, and I remember how painful that was,

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being the last kid picked to be on, say, the

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kickball team, and feeling like nobody wanted nobody wanted to

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play with me, and that was reinforced by in my family.

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There was a.

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Period of like some really good times and then my

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parents just started to not get along.

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They ended up divorcing, and there was a lot of

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verbal abuse. There was some domestic violence.

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There was some physical abuse, and so I felt like

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my home wasn't safe. And I didn't know those words

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when I was young, or even an adolescent. I just

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knew when i'd come home, i'd kind of scan the

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environment to see, like how are mom and Dad?

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Like how can I how do.

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I need to show up and be I know today

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it's called hypervigilance when we scan our environment to see

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if it's safe or not.

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And so I started to slowly kind.

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Of minimize and diminish my likes, needs and even interest

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to just kind of see is it, how is the

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family tonight? Like what do I need to do to

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try to keep the peace, and what do I need

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to do for.

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My brother and sister?

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Not knowing that these things when you're older can create

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some issues for you, like.

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You might become a real big people pleaser.

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You might not know what you even like or want

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because you're used to deferring to others as a coping

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mechanism to just keep things kosher, keep things as peaceful

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as they can. And I didn't even know that that

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really wasn't even up to me. I thought it was

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by me doing certain things that pleased my parents that

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things stayed peaceful, but it wasn't at all. So I

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really outsourced a lot of my self esteem and things

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I had to rebuild when I entered therapy at the

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young age of twenty one. And I knew when I

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entered therapy at twenty one, this is what I'm going

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to do with my life, because I knew I had

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a path to walk to heal, and yet I wasn't

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afraid of it because I felt really excited to be

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able to do this for myself and then help others.

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So how did you come across this concept of chirn

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and explain to the audience what that is?

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Sure, So I've been a psychotherapist since two thousand is

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when I got my license. I started practicing in nineteen

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ninety eight, so over twenty five years now that I've

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been a therapist, and about ten years ago I started

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to get really frustrated Doctor Doug and wondering why do

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I have so many successful clients that are experiencing anxiety

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and depression, and why after I had been in therapy

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as a client for twenty years, really self aware, really

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like about my own personal growth and development, why was

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I still feeling anxious and depressed. And ten years ago

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I started meditating as a daily practice, and when I

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was meditating, I was asking God, I was asking the

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universe these two questions, why is this happening with.

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Clients and myself?

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And I just heard this kind of whisper Chiron c

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hi Ron, And I was not very impressed, and I

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ignored it at first, But I learned enough to know

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that when there's something meant for you to have information,

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it's going to keep coming up, and the sooner you

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answer that call, the easier it's going to be, rather

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than if you keep ignoring your intuition, ignoring the signpost,

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they tend to get louder and more dramatic. So I

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was like, Okay, I'm just going to start googling this

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Chiron thing. And I learned that Chiron was in Greek

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mythology a healer. And when you go to the doctor's

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office in the UI and you see the staff of medicine,

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the snakes wrapped around the staff, that's the staff of

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Asclepias that Chiron gave to Asclepias. Chiron was his tutor.

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So Chiron in mythology was the founding father of the

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healing arts, a pharmacy, a botany, of medicine, of therapy.

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Chyn is also in our solar system, orbiting between the

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planets of Saturn and Uranus. And in astronomy, Chiron was

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given that name to reference the mythological healer. It was

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the first in its class to have an odd elliptical.

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Orbit rather than a round orbit, and an third.

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In astrology, Chiron is a placement in your birth chart.

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Just like you might know your son sign is a

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Leo or Sagittarius or Gemini, this Chiron placement is in

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your birth chart, and it actually reveals an area of

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vulnerability in your thought patterns, a thought pattern that we

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perpetuate that doesn't necessarily serve us, and it's where we

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tend to encounter emotional and psychological wounding, even sometimes financial issues,

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relationship issues.

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And that's when I started to really.

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Research and integrate the chiron astrology into psychology and taking

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personal responsibility. And I trademarked the word psychoastrology as a result.

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Well, and that's wonderful. And you know what I find interesting.

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Obviously I come from a scientific background, Yeah right, and

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you do too, if you're a psychotherapist. All right. And

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one of the first questions that came to my mind

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is I was reviewing things for the podcast today, was

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how on earth do they come up with these different

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wounds that chiron astrology suggests based on your birth chart.

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And as I researched it out, I found it fascinating

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because you know, my first question as well as this scientific,

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and it's like, well, no, there's no scientific. But at

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the same time, as I was researching it out, I

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discovered that there were a number of people early on

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that started looking at this that had a number of

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different clients or patients, and over a period of time

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they started to identify some commonality and ultimately they were

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able to pinpoint based on going back to the chiron chart,

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they were able to pinpoint those particular moons or whatever

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you want to call them, impress pattern whatever that happens

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to be based on that. I found that so fascinating.

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They say it's not scientific, but yet that's how science works.

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As you do the research, you do the comparisons, you

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find the commonality, and you come to the conclusions.

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And doctor Doug, I want to share with you and

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our audience that I really struggled with this astrology component.

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When I started researching and knew I wanted to write

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a book because I was I was struggling with the

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issue are you telling me that when I was born

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and the stars being in the sky means that I

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am X, Y and Z. I'm a really big believer

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in free will and taking personal responsibility. And finally in meditation,

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it was this huge download. It was like, no, Lisa,

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you wrote your chart. You chose these aspects and attributes

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before you came into your physical incarnation that you wanted

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to explore as a human being. And now that you're here,

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you do have free will, and you do have the

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ability to learn skills you might not have or know

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today to change and shape your life.

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So this isn't dictated to you.

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It was written by you kind of how you thought

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you wanted to explore this planet. And it's absolutely up

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to all of us to take our twists and turns

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and choose those experience.

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How does that land with you?

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Well? It does. And in fact, as I was researching,

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I realized that even Carl Jung, who is a renowned psychotherapist,

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used astrology and again the way he approached it, which

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I really appreciated was not that he's going to predict

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future events and so forth, but he used it in

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order to discover that inner self and what was doing it.

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I happened to do a behavioral analysis that comes up

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with a similar concept of what's your greatest fear or

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what's your greatest wound? And what I did, and you

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love this is I did my own chart, all right.

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I went in and researched it and found it, and

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I found that it was so similar from what Chiron

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said versus what my personal behavioral analysis said as far

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as what is that wound. The other thing that I

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really love and I want to get into this more

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is Melanie Reinhardt, who I think was one of the

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beginning people who really researched this out, made a comment,

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and I think it's important for the audience to understand

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what this is really all about. She says. Hyron's placement

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shows us where we are wounded, but also where we

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have the potential to heal ourselves and to help others heal.

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And so it's not just a matter of discovering that

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personal imprint or those type of discoveries subconsciously, but also

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by allowing us then to take that and as we

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overcome it to be able to be a gift to others.

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So I'd love for you to share how you've helped

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people and maybe share some examples of people that have

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experienced some things how you've used this to help people

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not only overcome those beliefs, but also to really become Yes.

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I love this question, and many people just like you,

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Doctor Doug, that are in the healing arts, you've already

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been about your self discovery and personal transformation that when

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you learn about your chiron, it's more of a confirmation

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that you're on your path.

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This lines up with the other modalities that have resonated

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with you, and it's really kind of like very affirming,

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in fact in my practice, and it's really been clarifying

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and affirming for them to know that they've been healing

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this and wounding has been the word that we're using.

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I'm going to also put out here wounding is on

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a spectrum, so for some people it is deep wounding.

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violence and neglect. That's a big wound for others that

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haven't experience that. Fortunately, it's more of an ouch, it's

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more of a ooh like when this comes up, it's

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it's uncomfortable, but it's not necessarily a wound. So be

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aware of that because I don't want people to be

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afraid to learn about their chiron. It really reveals where

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we might even feel like we have some low self

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esteem or we might want to hide that part of

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ourselves that it might not be outwardly obvious that go

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on paper, were really successful with the chiron and ares placement. Inwardly,

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you might feel like you're not good enough, and you

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keep performing and you keep achieving, hoping to feel better

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about yourself. But it takes you making that connection that

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I'm trying to value myself to achievement, rather than okay,

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you can achieve all you want, but first and foremost,

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let's just approve of ourselves and let's give ourselves a

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break and not be so harsh for example. So it's

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really personal discovery. You know, so many of my clients

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have loved hearing and learning about this to apply it

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to what they're going through in their lives to just

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have a clearer roadmap moving forward.

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client coming without obviously using names, and the process that

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you took them through to the point where not only

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did they discover the wound overcome it, but then we're

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able to use it as is a gift to others.

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really be able to offer and serve more in the

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community and in their world by understanding that there wasn't

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really anything wrong with them, that they had some natural responses,

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natural and healthy responses too painful things, and to forgive themselves.

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My book centers upon self forgiveness and empathy. So this

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client in particular and others, it's really the self forgiveness

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piece that sets them free. I think we weren't really

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taught after Doug that forgiveness is for ourselves also.

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And that's been really life changing for the people I

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work with to learn forgive themselves, especially women.

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Yeah, and how do they do that? I mean, you know,

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we talk at certain levels about what was what they

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need to do, is what they need to do, and

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so forth. But how do you help an individual to

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learn self forgiveness? Because that's not really easy.

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We can do it right now.

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There's a beautiful practice that I offer and share with

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clients when and all of you listening or watching, think

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of something right now in fact, that's a struggle for

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you where you really don't feel good about how things

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turned out. It's like this pain point and I'm even

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recalling something in my life where it's been hard to

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like move on from it, even though it's been several years,

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like I've judged myself for it.

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So something like that, And if you can just kind

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of even close your.

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Eyes and settle into that space you were in when

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you said or did or showed up in this way

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that just you know, feels so painful and comfortable for you,

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your heart and speak to that part of you. I'm

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just so sorry you went through that. And maybe it

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was a loss, maybe someone left you, a relationship ended

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really abruptly, it was it was painful.

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I'm just so you went through.

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That to yourself, like to really connect with that part

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of you and give him, her, them that empathy. I'm

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just so sorry you went through that, and what do

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you need from me? And next step is like what

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do you need to know from me about that? Like

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what do you need to hear? And often it's and

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I'm and I'm sorry. And if that person isn't in

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your life to say I'm sorry. So often things happen

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a rupture and a relationship and the appropriate amends aren't made,

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So you don't need it from that person. You can

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give it to yourself, I'm just so sorry, and even

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say to yourself what you wish they would have said

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to you. And again, you're gonna slow this down. I'm

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rushing through it in the interest of time, but you're

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going to really slow this down and even write about it,

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write what you wanted to hear, what you needed to

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hear and didn't. And I invite you then to burn

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that in your sink as a way to release, to

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really release from yourself this judgment, this pain, this criticism.

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And I walk clients through doing that with different occurrences

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in their lives to really let themselves off this hook.

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So as we talk about that, what comes to my mind,

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is the client that I had. Yeah, we used NLP

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and I was I'm certified in NLP. And as we

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went back and I'm looking at reframing, so I used

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the word reframing. So in his case, you know very much,

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I'm not good enough. His experience comes from a childhood

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experience in school where the teacher was abusive mentally and

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emotionally put him in the back of the room, you know,

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your stupid type of thing. So it wasn't an event

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that pause that he was the result or he was

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the cause of the pain, but rather it was his

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perception of what was happening. And as we went in

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and reframed that, and you know, he understood that had

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nothing to do with him, had everything to do with

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the teacher, Yes, because he was very bright. But as

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we went through that, how how do you work with that?

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And what's the differentiation between are perceived limiting our limiting beliefs,

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which I believe have a lot to do with perception

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as a young child versus the actual wounds that may

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occur to us that we need to forgive ourselves for

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or forget maybe forgive others.

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Yes, and I think I hear you talk about.

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On one hand, there's there's the the reframing, using our mind,

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using our intellect and our intelligence to see other possibilities

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besides the one that we decided was true, and and

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that is a necessary step in healing. I think often

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before people can get there, they need to just feel

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attuned to and really just feel like, I'm just sorry

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you went through that.

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And often that person isn't here.

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Anymore, like in the in the when it pertains to

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this client, it was when he was younger, So the

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people aren't here to the teacher isn't here to make

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the amends.

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So I think the.

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Reframe is excellent is well as if that ever comes

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up again and it starts to release, it's like the

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volume of a stereo turns down.

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Of these triggers. It's less, it's less.

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Intense, it's a shorter duration that I'm sure over time

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now if this comes up for him, it's turned way

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down than what it was before. And I think with

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men different than women as well, I don't work with

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everyone the same, like I'm really everyone resonates with different things,

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so I would work with him, for example, I think

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much like you did, and ask like is there any

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part of.

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You that feels like you really need.

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Like an amends to that younger boy that you were,

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that younger child, like to really connect with him. And

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only the client knows that if that would be helpful

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or not.

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Well, but how important would it be for him to

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forgive her?

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Oh, I'm not talking about actually, See, that's where people

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get really mixed up. They think all this forgiveness is

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for others, And what I'm really talking about here, like

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forget the teacher, and the forgiveness this is, you know,

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for him, for you, like that can come later, and

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I think the forgiving of others, we rush through it

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too fast on this fearing like if I don't something

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bad's gonna happen, rather than really taking our time with

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to forgive, say that teacher. I think it would take

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some real growth and him to really feel solid again

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like I am not wounded by this, like actually this,

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like I'm not shaken by And this teacher clearly had

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some mental health problems, serious issues going on to maybe

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just even that's enough, Like forgiveness doesn't necessarily have to

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be like oh I'm so sorry this person was that

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unhealthy and you know, like but just to even have

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it not feel so so powerful.

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So I think forgiveness is in layers I talk about

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in my book.

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Okay, so sometimes it's just awareness. Yeah, forgiveness is one element.

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What are some of the other elements you talked about

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in your book?

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I talk about empathy and self empathy and really, again,

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this attunement to ourselves. When when you grow up in

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a healthy family, your caretakers attune to you appropriately. When

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you fall and skin your knee, they're right there on

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the ground, come on, you know, let me get you up,

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let me clean you up. However, that doesn't happen a

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lot of the time with every situation, and many people

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grow up having navigated really big things a parent dying,

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and no one thinks to pull the child aside and

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be like, how are you because they're in so much

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grief themselves, and you just kind of grow up and

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time moves on and all.

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Of a sudden you're adult.

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But all these things have happened and they never really

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feel like they've been healed or resolved. So that's where

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the self attune meant, really being empathetic towards yourself, understanding

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how some of your experiences are influencing you today, like

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the personal responsibility piece and what you want to do

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about it, if there's anything you feel like you really

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want to address and work on from your past so

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that you're showing up really authentically, being kind, being yourself,

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you know, not hurting others.

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Like you were hurt.

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So that all My book addresses all of those aspects

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as well of who do you want to be now

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that you have this awareness that there could be some

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things to heal.

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Okay, so you have your core room, you recognize that,

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and then the process is number one, you know, to

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forgive yourself if for whatever that happens to be have

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that empathy. What else is there? What are the steps

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that your clients will take to actually get to the

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point where not only have they overcome that, but now

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they have discovered that, oh, here's a gift that because

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of this I have become and I can become. Maybe

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they haven't necessarily, but they can and realize that here's

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a way that I can now take that experience and

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rather become the victim of it, I can become empowered

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by it.

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Yes, it is so individualized.

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So there are twelve placements Chiron in the twelve signs

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aries all the way through pisces. So for every single

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one of these placements, all twelve, I give five to

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six affirmations tailored specifically for your Chiron, for your experience

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that you are wanting to heal, the strengthen.

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And support, as well as I give three to.

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Six takeaway steps that pertain specifically to this vulnerability slash

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up to.

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And including a wound.

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It's a vulnerability for some, it's a wound for others.

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So it's really specific on what I suggest, And I

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really I spent three and a half years writing and researching,

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so I experience all twelve of these placements to really

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really tune into what do people need to know and

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do so you can take a chapter and start today

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changing behaviors and thoughts based on what's in here.

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So, Mike, Chiron is in the scorpio, in the first house.

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Okay, yes, I have it opening to Chiron in Scorpio,

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So here we are.

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It's open right there.

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So this has to do with the wounding in the

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experience of power, and it's in your first house of

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personal identity, of self identity, so something not obvious to

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anyone else but you. And so some affirmations for you

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would center around using your power for goodness and also

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your trust somehow is disrupted along the way, learning who

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and where you can trust, who's safe. You know, that

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might have been something that was challenging for you, doctor Doug.

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Learning learning about trust and even believing that things are

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going to work out. You see injustice like it really

474
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.359
stands out to you. And to know that there's good people.

475
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.039
I believe you're one of them. I feel your energy.

476
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:50.079
I feel like you're also like a really strong and

477
00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:54.119
powerful man. So for you with this chirin and scorpio,

478
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:58.759
you enjoy being generous and it's looking for opportunities to volunteer,

479
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:03.400
to assist, to help. That's something that's really meaningful for you.

480
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:04.599
Is that accurate?

481
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:05.400
Oh? Yeah?

482
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.839
And as I read, you know, really the ability to

483
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:13.200
help to help others and so on and so forth.

484
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.559
That is so accurate And I was fascinated as I

485
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:22.119
got into that and recognize that. So for you, where's yours?

486
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:22.799
Oh?

487
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.599
It was so the chirin and aris this in my

488
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.799
first house as well my personal identity. I've always been

489
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:31.400
achievement oriented.

490
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:32.000
Because I really love it.

491
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:35.839
It makes me excited and happy to accomplish goals that

492
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:37.640
serve others and our world.

493
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.400
Yet I never felt like I was good enough doing it.

494
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:43.640
It was this very weird disconnection for so many years

495
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:48.160
until I understood my healing is to really whenever I'm

496
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.079
feeling less than or not enough, it's.

497
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:52.720
Like, so, how are you overperforming?

498
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.640
Like can you please take like sit down, Everything's all right,

499
00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.440
Like you're doing more than enough to really comfort myself,

500
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.839
go for a hike, like do something that's not always

501
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:08.319
about like some kind of work thing that's bettering something

502
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.079
or someone, to really like be gentle with myself, like

503
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:16.039
smell the roses literally and enjoy myself more and praise myself.

504
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:17.920
Now, what are the affirmations for you?

505
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.519
Let me see, let me look and see, and then.

506
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:22.559
You give me the affirmations for me.

507
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:27.160
And there's a reason for this, absolutely, let's see iron

508
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:34.240
and ares affirmations are I own, my right to exist,

509
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.319
my value wise within That was a big one for me.

510
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.720
I am enough. I actually am enough, and I am worthy.

511
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:44.599
And that's so important for those of you that that

512
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.839
overperform and feel like it's based in doing more.

513
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.000
It's knowing you're worthy and enough right.

514
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:51.799
Now, Okay, and then Scorpio.

515
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.920
Yes, let's see the Scorpio affirmations.

516
00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:00.680
They're different. They're about I use my power for goodness.

517
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.559
Because there is the possibility of a Chirine and Scorpio

518
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.039
person that's not aligned, that's not you know, really in

519
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.279
their self awareness, that they could use their power to

520
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:13.559
hurt others. So the affirmation is, I use my power

521
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:18.599
for goodness. I'm learning to trust, I am safe, everything

522
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.559
is always working out for me, and I am generous.

523
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.720
And kind well, and you know, I love the words

524
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.799
I am. And as we get theologically into that whole thing,

525
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.000
you know, I am, I am the great, I am.

526
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:35.279
The great, I am yes.

527
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.319
And as we look at that, and I look at

528
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.680
that and realize, you know what, here's the teaching that

529
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.599
most of us miss is. It's not that we have

530
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.519
to do this, do this, do this, but we become

531
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:52.920
and as we become, then we naturally do things. And

532
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.200
let's talk about affirmations, because you know, there's so many

533
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.240
concepts about affirmations. You put them up on a board

534
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.440
in front of you or whatever that happens to be.

535
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.079
But scientifically, and we're going to get into that a

536
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:09.960
little bit when we talk about affirmations. We talk about meditation. What,

537
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.680
in your opinion, what do affirmations do for an individual

538
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:19.279
from a standpoint of changing their mindset and actually changing

539
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.200
those neurological pathways in their brain.

540
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.839
For an affirmation to truly change your subconscious mind and

541
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:31.839
upgrade it, it has to be an affirmation. I babystep

542
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.519
it progressively. It's hard to just start saying I'm rich

543
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.119
when there's no money in your bank account.

544
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.359
So a better start.

545
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:45.119
Would be things like looking for the abundance that does

546
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.200
surround you. I'm going to look for the abundance that's

547
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.160
in my life and even noticing, I'm noticing the abundance

548
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.559
that I have and feeling the feeling of abundance and

549
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:58.839
baby something, you know, show me, and I really draw

550
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.720
on what people believes, like God, show me that I

551
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.920
am abundant, show me that you are providing for me,

552
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.279
show me that I can and and I'm going to

553
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.680
be rich, like show me. And it's in that way

554
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.920
the affirmation really has some traction in our subconscious mind

555
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.880
to start shifting what we believed. And then different things

556
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.839
show up, new opportunities show up.

557
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:24.000
How do you see that?

558
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:26.319
Well, as you're talking about that what comes to my

559
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.839
mind is the word gratitude. And as we as we

560
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.960
start to really look at and I don't like the

561
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.160
concept of money, I just don't.

562
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:37.640
But yeah, we can use another one.

563
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.160
Yeah, but from the concept of gratitude and as you said,

564
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.960
the gratitude for the abundance that I have, you know,

565
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:46.400
living here in Thailand. One of the things that has

566
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.839
just really struck me is culturally, I mean, people here

567
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:55.960
or maybe i'm us dollars, the average person makes maybe

568
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.799
you know, five, two, three, four hundred dollars a month

569
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:05.160
and they live on that and and what fascinates me

570
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:07.759
is they're happy, at least they appear to be on

571
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.519
the outside, you know, and they're they're friendly, they're kind

572
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:13.799
and so forth. And I think that as we start

573
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:19.640
to recognize that abundance that we have been given, even

574
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:21.880
if it's small, and then I love how you talk

575
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:26.160
about writing it down that literally we start to appreciate

576
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:31.240
our life and change our perspective of our life and

577
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:34.319
recognize that, you know, there's so many things to be grateful.

578
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:35.160
For, doctor Doug.

579
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:37.680
There are, and I think an important step is to

580
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.759
really act authentically be happy with where we are and

581
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.160
what we have to really appreciate, to really see how

582
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:50.000
blessed to see whatever and stop comparing and really tune

583
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.440
in to the abundance. Like I love taking walks and

584
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.359
the flowers, the grass in Santa Monica.

585
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:57.720
I went to the beach yesterday.

586
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.839
Here in California, it's like the abundance of sand, like

587
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.759
it's everywhere in nature, abundance that's just beaming around. And

588
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.400
when you really start to feel that, it soothe, it

589
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:13.200
harmonizes us with something bigger and greater that then does

590
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:16.160
allow us to change our lives well.

591
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.480
And then I love the nature thing. I try to

592
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.359
walk at least two to three times a week and

593
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:26.240
walking around and just looking at the rice fields and

594
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:31.319
the lakes and just the nature that is not necessarily everywhere,

595
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:32.880
but I found a place to walk where I see

596
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.680
that and to appreciate the nature and to recognize that,

597
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.640
you know, what is an abundance in our lives. To

598
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.319
be able to recognize that here's this creation of beauty

599
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.839
and of nature and that it exists there to help

600
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:49.359
us to feel better.

601
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:51.000
And I love Thailand.

602
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.440
When I was there, people were so kind, so nice,

603
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.480
like you said, happiness, and it was just like really

604
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.880
life changing to go and when I was somebody would

605
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.960
take me to where I needed to be, just really

606
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.839
going out of their way. But they didn't think a

607
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.640
thing about it was like their natural impulse to like

608
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:13.000
see I was an American obviously lost looking at a

609
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.839
map or whatever, and like ask and try to communicate

610
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.000
even to help. It was like wonderful that people would

611
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.519
take their time to do that. I think we have

612
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.200
a lot to learn in America about kindness and generosity

613
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.200
and just pausing to take some time out for someone

614
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.079
else instead of rushing to.

615
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:30.680
The next thing.

616
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.720
It's amazing as I walk in if I'm shopping and

617
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:38.039
I'm walking into a store and I'm going, okay, and

618
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.079
I have to show my picture because I don't speak tie,

619
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.359
so I'm sayta right, here's what I'm looking for, and

620
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:47.839
that individual literally walks me all the way through all

621
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.599
the aisles and then introduces me to the person who

622
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.039
happens to be in charge of that area, and then

623
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.119
they sit there and they stay there to make sure

624
00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:58.920
then I'm able to find what I can find what

625
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.759
I need to find is So that's awesome, it's fascinating.

626
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:05.799
So we've got the forgiveness we've got the empathy, we've

627
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.320
got the affirmations. Anything else in your book, you.

628
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.599
Know, I do talk about gratitude like you were saying,

629
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.800
it's it's so important. It's for me a daily thing.

630
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.280
I start my day with gratitude. I end my day

631
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:18.239
with gratitude.

632
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:22.000
There's so much to appreciate when we really have eyes

633
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:22.400
for that.

634
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.440
So any specific examples of someone who literally was self

635
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:31.880
sabotaging because of those wounds and ultimately with your help

636
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.960
you were able to guide them through that process to

637
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.760
where they came out on the other end really experiencing

638
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.679
life in a positive way. Can you share a specific example?

639
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:45.159
And yeah, a female client that comes to mind was

640
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.079
self harming, like cutting for self horribly. It was so scary,

641
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.960
the cutting and damaged physically she was doing to her

642
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.639
body and because of self loathing and just like hating

643
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.320
herself and not having any other way to express And

644
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.360
it was several years and working with her she was

645
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:06.039
able to completely stop doing that to herself and became

646
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.360
involved with animals and then became a teacher and like

647
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.000
she emailed me years later, just thanking me, and it

648
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.360
was such a it was like amazing to hear from

649
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.199
her about how good her life, how good her life

650
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:22.400
was flowing, how much she appreciated my patience, and and

651
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.119
just not being afraid of what she was doing. That

652
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.079
a lot of therapists even get afraid when there's something

653
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:32.000
like self harm happening. And she just had really loves

654
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:33.880
her life, and it was like wow, like that's why

655
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.159
I do this to you know, know what the life

656
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:40.199
and like generations are changed by what we do and

657
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.559
by what you do. Even someone listening and watch it,

658
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.159
the kindness that you speak and show it. It affects

659
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.800
people in profoundly positive ways.

660
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.840
Well, it does. And you know what fascinates me is

661
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.599
so often you know you're fortunate because you get feedback

662
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.000
from your clients so often I think excuse me as

663
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.519
as we seek to touch the lives of others and

664
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.199
recognizing that, you know, it's just about the one. It's

665
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.119
not about the masses, it's just about the one. We

666
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.000
don't always get that feedback of what we happen to do,

667
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:18.079
whether it was a smile or whether it was just

668
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.800
something that we did for another individual that literally changed

669
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.639
their lives, and we don't all get that feedback that

670
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.440
that's what happened, and yet it happens.

671
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:29.960
Yeah, it does.

672
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.159
So to keep taking your time with others and as

673
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.119
you feel, lad, we all have an intuition. To honor

674
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.639
your intuition and do what it directs you to do,

675
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.599
even if it doesn't make any logical sense to trust.

676
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.559
Okay, so let's talk about those affirmations again, and let's

677
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:50.039
talk about the neurological pathways. Okay, what happens if you've

678
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.280
done and I'm sure you've studied this, what happens when

679
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:58.800
someone is experiencing those wounds and continuing to experience it,

680
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:03.360
what happened? Because what's occurred is they have developed neurological

681
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:07.599
pathways that it's literally a habit. This is how I am.

682
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.039
And what happens when you start to use those affirmations

683
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.960
in a way that it starts to change those neurological

684
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.960
pathways instead aside some of the negative ones and start

685
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.679
to develop the positive ones. How does that occur?

686
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.599
Well, it occurs first and foremost because it's about healing

687
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:31.199
the disruption that happened. That when people have these beliefs

688
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.880
about themselves that are harsh, critical and just awful, it's

689
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.760
because something's happened in their lives, that we aren't born

690
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:41.599
thinking these thoughts. Another human being ninety nine percent of

691
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.039
the time has said something, done something that disrupted your

692
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.760
sense of trust and safety in the world. So before

693
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.840
we're speaking affirmations, we're doing some deep healing work around

694
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.079
you know, what happened and what meaning did you make

695
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.400
of yourself when this happened. And once they're able to fully,

696
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.159
you know, release any feelings they might not have been

697
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.119
able to share with others at the time, it's like, Okay,

698
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.360
what if let's look at this. The reframe is so important,

699
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:11.440
Like let's look at this in some other possibilities, and

700
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.119
like might it be that you were always good enough?

701
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:18.039
But this person was really wounded and damaged and they

702
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.719
hurt you because they were wounded, not because you're not valuable?

703
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.519
And like how do you want to believe about yourself

704
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.880
instead of being like I'm not worthy of or valuable?

705
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:28.360
Like how do you want to feel? And I'll have

706
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.280
clients write down statements. I write it down with them

707
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.800
so I have a copy, they have a copy and

708
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:37.320
will make like, say three to five to keep it manageable,

709
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.039
Like how you'd really like to believe about yourself? And

710
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.920
I encourage people then to take those statements and put

711
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.519
it on a sticky note and keep it in their wallet,

712
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.559
like I have some in mind so that you're encountering it.

713
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:52.239
So your subconscious mind is encountering these statements of new

714
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.639
beliefs you want to feel about yourself and about life,

715
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.440
and it gradually starts to get some traction again as

716
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.760
your continuing to maybe make some changes. Maybe you need

717
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.559
to heal an addiction, maybe you need to stop talking

718
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.840
to someone that's not treating you well, or maybe you

719
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.239
need to go hang out with some people that love

720
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.800
you that I've been reaching out that you haven't answered

721
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.159
their text or calls. So it's the thought and the

722
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affirmation along with the new behaviors and healing, healing with

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something altogether.

724
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And how does meditation fit into all of this?

725
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Well, I'm a or do you meditate that?

726
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Oh yes, oh yes, yes, you know it took me.

727
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I really believe in two week experiments. So ten years ago,

728
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I just simply did a two week experiment. I'm going

729
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to meditate every morning. I'm going to start with five minutes,

730
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and in two weeks, if I don't feel anything different,

731
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I never have to do it again. But I feel

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like I knew I could show up for two weeks

733
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each morning. I believe most people can when you really

734
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prioritize something that's important to you. So for two weeks,

735
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I just would meditate for five minutes, and by the

736
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end of two weeks it had become fifteen minutes, and

737
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I was doing a mix of silent meditations and guided

738
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YouTube meditations, and I felt so much happier, so much

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just richer emotionally and my ability to access my range

740
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of emotions. Like I just felt like I'm changing, and

741
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I'm just going to keep doing this, Like the evidence

742
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of my experience showed me that this is valuable, and

743
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I encourage I encourage you to try a meditation. There's

744
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so many ways. You can do a walking meditation listening

745
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:37.000
to some soft music. You can do a YouTube guided

746
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meditation for four or five minutes. You can go somewhere

747
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and participate in group meditation and.

748
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Just see and it's amazing what comes up. I mean,

749
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you experienced it with a chira. It's amazing in my

750
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experience and others that I've interviewed that true meditation, all

751
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:58.079
of a sudden, these items come up and as you

752
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become aware of that allows you then if it happens

753
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:06.599
to be a you know, self sabotaging belief, you recognize, wow,

754
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.920
that's that's there, and you're able to start to set

755
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it aside or as you say, sometimes just meditating to

756
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experience that peace and happiness and joy in our lives. Yes,

757
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to me, it's just amazing.

758
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.960
Yeah, it's worth trying. If someone's listening or watching and

759
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they haven't.

760
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Yeah, and it helps.

761
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It helped me to go to some group meditations doctor

762
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Doug as well.

763
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Really learn with others to really like dive into this

764
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and see what works for.

765
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You and and different things. For me, is walking meditation, Yeah,

766
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and yeah, and you know it goes on for an

767
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:43.360
hour or sometimes so me too.

768
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.920
I love walking meditation my thing.

769
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Yeah, I love it. I love it. So anyway, as

770
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we get to the end, what how do people find

771
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:53.480
your book?

772
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.400
It's on Amazon, It's at Barnes and Noble dot com.

773
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.280
You can just google Lisa ta here my name and

774
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:02.599
it will come up, or the title of the book.

775
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:04.360
It's on Walmart dot com.

776
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:09.280
And I'm I'm the audio voice on the audible the audiobook.

777
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.360
It's my voice. So it's also available that way and

778
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:12.880
on Kindle?

779
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.840
And how do people find you if they want some help?

780
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:17.039
Thank you, doctor Doug.

781
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.559
You can find me. You can google my name again.

782
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.079
Lisa tie here t a h i R. My website

783
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.320
is NOLA Therapy n O l A t h e

784
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r a p y dot com and it stands for

785
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:33.079
New Orleans Los Angeles Therapy, the two places that I live.

786
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And that's my instagram NOLA.

787
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Therapy wonderful, wonderful. And as a closing thought, what would

788
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.119
you want to share with the audience what came up.

789
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A moment ago?

790
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It was not planned. Is this notion around being happy

791
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.039
over being right? And it's a time we're living in.

792
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.320
I think people are trying to be right, feeling like

793
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somehow that's going to change minds. And I invite you

794
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instead to invite in what your happiness is. Ask what

795
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.960
is my happiness today? And notice what you're.

796
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Led to do, say to experience.

797
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And do that every week as much as you can.

798
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What is my happiness instead.

799
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Of being right?

800
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I love it? Lisa, Thank you so much. This has

801
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been a wonderful conversation.

802
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.000
Thank you, doctor Doug. You're awesome well.

803
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:21.960
And so are you. I appreciate it so much. Folks,

804
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.679
please go get that book. I've gone through it a

805
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:27.840
bit and it is just fascinating. And again here's a

806
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.239
fascinating approach that might change your lives. So again, Lisa,

807
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.320
thank you so much for making a difference in other

808
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people's lives.

809
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.239
Thank you, doctor Doug, you as well, Thank you doctor

810
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Doug, saying no mistake