From Trauma to Transformation: JU$TIN’s 13 Rungs to Elevated Consciousness

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0:44 Denzel Washington, Welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Justin Welcome to the show. Good to be here. Hey, it's good to have you here. Hell there are yeah, or wherever we happen to be right, That's that's what's so amazing. Now that you can be wherever you want to in the world and still have this wonderful communication going on. Yep, yeap. The times of difference, places of difference, but it's all this moment, right, it's all now. Exactly exactly, except someone's just waking up and someone's just going to sleep. So that's how that works. So, yeah, you've written a book, and let the audience know what the name of the book is.

1:30 It is called Sorcery one O one thirteen rungs to a higher elevation of consciousness. Okay, sorcery spelled with the U. Yeah, yes, so that's great. And obviously talking about consciousness, I'd love for you to share with the audience because you have quite a journey, share with the audience what your journey has been and what brought you to this point to write the book and to do what you're doing. Yeah, so it's yeah, it's been it's been quite a journey, certainly. So. I was born and raised here in Phoenix, Scottsdale, Arizona. I had a had a top childhood in that, you know, I I kind of grew up in an emotional vacuum.

2:12 So I like to say, you know, around, I use a lot of pop culture and humor in my book. I like to consider myself in a mystical comedian. I kind of mixed meld the two of comedy and philosophy kind of stand up philosophy stuff. But one of the things I I I like to say, you know, my fight my childhoo was like fight club. It was like around my house, it was like, you know, the first rule is you do not talk about your feelings, and the second rule is you do not talk about your feelings. And that's what it was like growing up around my house. It's just nothing was spoken of that was anything remotely vulnerability. So anything involving the spirit, anything involving good feelings, bad feelings, anything involving drugs, alcohols, sex, a thing, anything, just none of that was discussed at all. Ever when I was when I would be kind of feeling bad and I'd be kind of talking to my mom, it was obvious she was not comfortable talking to me about that, and she would just tell me, well, you know, go take a shower, you'll feel better. Because she had no idea like how to you know, console a child or like to you know, she just she did the best she could because that's how she was raised. I have, there's there's everyone is just a reflection of the environments they were raised in. It's she did the best she could, and I love her very much and she's passed on now.

3:32 But you know, it's it was just it just when you don't tell a child they're loved, valued, and I wasn't never told I love you, and you know, there wasn't a lot of hugging. It just it just was a real emotional vacuum at my home and we you don't tell a child they're loved, valued, safe. You know, they're going to look for the world for these things, and the world is always going to tell them they're unvalued, unloved, and unsaved. So, you know, growing up with Vilva's kind of horror beliefs inside of me led some some really tough times as a teenager in my twenties. Just a lot of mental emotional issues, you know, ADHD and you know, the depression and anxiety and all these things that you know spun me back and forth in America's sick care system here, and a lot of substance abuse, alcohol problems, and you know, prescription pills became my favorite thing. So you know, it's legal, legal drugs, right, I can pretend like I wasn't a total drug addict because these were you know, everything is okay, everything, you know everything's legal.

4:34 It's okay, right, Like that's not exactly correct, but that's what I thought at the time. So just you know, it was really a tough going there for quite a while. And you know, finally kind of in my thirties, I got things together a little bit, and you know, I've experienced some periods of sobriety. I went I started going to the kind of AA and doing a more Christian religious type thing, and you know, I was sober, but you know, I was not thriving at all. I still had all my core issues of you know, pretty bad anxiety and depression, but I was sober, so you know, I considered it kind of a wind and that kind of happened, and I kept with that for a while.

5:18 And then in you know it late thirties. You know, I'm the early forties now, and it's you know, I had a lot of horrible things just coincide and happen, which kind of led to this, the writing this book, and had my mother died. It was a very tough thing where it was not it was the long drawn out process of this year where her kind of body was dwindling and her mind was dwindling, and that was really tough to see. And then my sister had died and I had a close childhood friend die. I got attacked in the face by a dog. I had a fiance who just just all of a sudden left moved across the country with our infant son and just cut me out of their lives, just cut me out. I haven't seen it, talk to him in two years. So I had a lot of really hard things happen. And that is where kind of, you know, you can instead of going through it, we need to grow through it.

6:12 And that's what I was trying to focus on, was kind of growing through this time period I was I was just asking, you know, just daily like all, I became obsessed of reading about I was kind of letting go of the Christian way of things and finding that that was really part of what made my mother's passing so traumatic was that she was not a Christian. And the whole time I had this programming going on from these pastors that she's going to Hell, and it made her It made her her ending days much more traumatic than they needed to be. I would have been kind of this shepherd into the next life and been excited for like I am now, after these experiences I have had in meditation, that's let me know that everything is fine.

6:53 But at the time that's not what it was. So letting go of these of these things in my life was really a big deal. So I was letting go with a lot. I was doing some meditation. It's just all these things and the and these horror traumas and all this stuff kind of came together in this in this soup that created gave me vision and created this this new kind of program for for healing trauma. And and that's that's where I'm at now. And it's it's very exciting, and you know, I hope to kind of be, you know, the the energy doctor and you know, doctor of divinity, and and that's that's where I'm at right now. Okay, So, so you mentioned a couple of things I want to get into a little bit. Number One, you were in AA and you mentioned that they kind of move you into a Christian kind of situation here, which obviously for many people works and it apparently worked for you to some degree. And then you end up with a situation where a pastor and his person of Christianity suddenly goes totally opposite and puts you right back into that sense of stress and so forth, because talking about your mom, which you know, we won't get into that whole thing as far as you know, why why people perceive that way and then try to influence other people that way. But let's let's talk a little bit about perception.

8:24 Let's talk about you know, reality and why it is that people have totally different realities. I mean, we look at what's going on right now, okay in the US, and all of the anger and all of the things that are going on, and you look at that, and you've got one person with a certain reality and you've got another person within the completely opposite reality. And yet if we look at reality as a genuine item, there's only one reality. And so how does that happen? What? What was your experience as you started to look at this and develop this concept of how reality and perception really determines how we how we look at life.

9:14 Yeah, it's really it is fascinating how you know, our world we are, you know, but what we perceive it is. And you know, life is is a projection of your internal wars and beliefs, and you know, you know, just like just like any projector. You know, a projector. If you think you're going to put a movie in the projector and it's going to play a movie, you know, the projector isn't going to tell you, you know, this movie sucks, Let's play a different movie. You know, it's going to play whatever you put in there to play. And that is our realities. I mean that that is our the perception of things. And and you know, especially things like like politics and everything, it just warps it so much. And you know, the world is not and that is the big thing about sorcery is one of the biggest parts is this concept of both and you know it just the world is not this black and white, you know, you know, it's just it's not that. And and people's minds want to put everything in a box where it is or it is not, you know, religion versus science it is one or the other. And spirituality is this middle intersecting point that's just takes the best parts of both of them and comes up with this whole new way to look of things that that that people really aren't that familiar with. So and that's the exciting part about this. And I think people are starting to you know, wonder and question their some of their beliefs. And that's the shadow work is the first wrong and and that is about you know, the shadow is created by you know,

10:46 childhood traumas and limiting beliefs, and and it is it is this side of us that causes reaction, the reactionary side of us, and starting to question that, and you know that go over things that in our minds that we've believed or true but maybe aren't so true. And people are starting to understand that more because of the you know, the whole you know AI and the deep fake and fake news and there's all this people are starting to do like, okay, there's a lot of illusionary stuff going on here, like what what what is real and what is not and starting to question that is really the first step in creating better perceptions and using your intuition instead of just taking things at face value.

11:30 You know, heart will lead you in the right direction. Well and obviously, as you were talking about it, you know, the way that you were brought up, and I don't think it's an uncommon situation, by the way that literally most people have a difficult time really talking about emotions and those type of things. But the way you were brought up created this bliss of this perception within you of reality that, as you talked about it, really ultimately created some real issues for you. But what fascinates means you talked about meditation. You're talking about some of these things, and I'd love for you to share with the audience. Number one, at what point in time did you have that aha moment that said, you know what, I've got to change. Number one? And then number two, What were some of the processes that you personally went through that brought you to the point of meditation, brought you to the point of consciousness, which a lot of people never experience.

12:31 Yes, there's several things. One, you know, one, I've been kind of in this nation's sick care system for decades trying to, you know, come up with a medicinal answer to my spiritual problem. And that was number one that is not was not working. So, I mean, we live in this world, but everything there is one core issue. In that core issue is spiritual bankruptcy. And there are so many symptoms of spiritual bankruptcy. You know, there's anything any illness considered chronic is I believe at the core a spiritual issue. But everything is focused on the symptom and managing symptoms. Our healthcare system is set up to manage symptoms, not to actually cure anything. So it's just managing the symptoms of depression, managing anxiety, you know, autoimmune disorder.

13:18 You know that everything is go to a doctor for this, you know, take some pills for that, go see a therapist for this. But you know, if you have an alcohol problem, you go to meetings. If you have a drug problem, you go to other meetings. If you have a gambling problem, you go to other meeting and everything is, everything is set, and it's completely different if you know, if you if you're just now we're seeing how big an issue that the phone is, because the phone is just a is a really massive problem these days. I go to the gym and I see men and women that can't even get through a set a weight set in and without checking their phone. It's like that, you know, they do ten leg ex sessions real quick and then they have to check their phones. And that's that's an issue. That's that's an issue, and that it's just putting off feeling.

13:58 You know, everything is going off feeling. We're just we looked to everything. And the thing with like meditation is that it allows you to have a divergent focus on things instead of a we're constantly in a convergent focus. We go from this to that to this to that all day work to the you know, we're doing the phone, we're doing work, we're doing you know, we're doing TV, we're doing family's There is a convergent focus completely throughout the day. And meditation allows you to have a divergent focus on things, which is a broadening of the focus. And that's when Source gets to talk to you. Okay, so I'm going to stop you there. I want you to talk about what was your aha moment? What was that finally said all right, boom, I've got to change?

14:41 And then what were some of the processes the books you were reading, uh, maybe workshops you were going to, maybe hiring someone to help you as a mentor or an advisor, whatever that was. What were some of those things that brought you to the point where you were able to start meditating and understanding the power of meditation. Because I totally agree with you, that's a great thing to be able to do. Yeah, it was actually in a time was about four years ago, and that moment came to me and it wasn't actually in imitation to time, but I had what I can only describe as a bliss attack, because I've had panic attacks my whole life, and this was a bliss attack. It was like if you replace panic with love.

15:23 And for three hours I was in this state, this complete euphoric state, and I realized I had spent my life at that point in airplane mode. So a phone perpetually in airplane mode is not living up to its potential. You're not going to get any signals or called or text or anything. What's on there is on there, and that's it. So I realized in that moment I was on airplane mode and airplane mode had been disabled, and from that point on everything changed. I realized that there is an energy field that we can tap into that is source energy. That is why sorcery spelled with a U source energy. And try trying to explain source energy to someone, I've found is a bit like trying to explain the concept of water to a fish, and it's like, you know, it's you know, I actually imagine trying to do that. Well, it's this substance. It surrounds you and you wouldn't be alive without it, and it's how you get around and move and breathe. And the fish would be like what, I don't know what you're talking about.

16:22 So it is it? It is that field of energy. And in this moment I realized, you know, I was I was a fish in a pond. My whole life just swimming in a pond. And all of a sudden, one day an angler comes in and rips that fish out of that pond. And now you see this whole other, insanely majestical world that Oh my gosh, there are other ponds. Oh, there's this, there's land, there's oceans, there's what is this? Like? That is that is that moment of wow? And and that's really I mean, you know, explaining this to someone who is very hard. It would be like going to you know, getting an electric shocks. Took a fork and an outlet and get an electric shock, and then you try to explain that to someone who lives in the juggles of the Amazon. It's difficult to do, Like, how do you explain an electric shock to someone who doesn't understand electricity? And that's what this moment was. And from that point on, you know, I was still kind of struggling, but you know, I wanted to avoid, you know, my destiny.

17:19 But it after airplane mode is turned off, it can never be turned back on again. You can kind of avoid it. I was still having problems with drinking and trying to avoid my emotions then, so you can kind of turn it, but it's always there, and it's always like, you know, it's like the destiny thing is like, hey, hey, when are you going to wake up? When are you going to wake up? And finally, you know, I just I really started getting my act together and started you know, I realized I had, you know, a talent for this, and and and I just kept learning about about everything and everything started coming together. And I had moved to Sodona because it was just kind of a trauma response after my fiance left with her son. I just moved to Sedona and it was there that it kind of came to me that was like, Okay, you know, we're going to help other people get through this, and we're going to create a system of how to do this, and this is where we're going to start, and that is this book, and that is the system and so from here it will be very interesting to see.

18:19 Yeah, and I love that, and you know it's interesting, and this is maybe off the subjects, but it comes to my mind at least. You know, we talk about source, we talk about that energy. A lot of meditative leaders talk about the quantum field and the source there and so forth, and yet you know, where does that source come from? And I think it's important for people who happen to be whether they're Christian, Islam, Buddhist, you know, Hindu, whatever that happens to be the bottom line is, as many people do believe in a higher individual, a higher God, and I think for people that are listening that at least as I've looked at this, I understand that you know, there are those that say, well, there is no God, but there's a source. And for me, I think it's important to understand and the audience that happens to believe in that higher source, that's where that's where it comes from.

19:20 That source comes from somewhere. It just doesn't exist. It comes from somewhere. And you may disagree with me on that, but bottom line, I want the audience to understand that because I don't want them to not listen anymore, because bottom line, I think your story and the points that you've made in your book are extremely important. And oftentimes, as you know, sometimes somebody says a word and it completely turns you off and you don't listen anymore. So I want to kind of put that in there. But let's talk about the book. So you talked about the first rung, which was shadow work, and that's really where you're identifying what those perceptions are, those limiting beliefs are that have been created within your mind and your soul, and oftentimes that you had no control over that that's just something that's happened as a child. So what's the second run?

20:11 The second run is a call for inaction, which is about meditation. So and there there is thirteen of them speaking of the shadow where there's thirteen of them for a very specific reason, and that's because you know, thirteen here in America at least, is considered a very unlucky number to the to the to the point where we have no thirteenth floors on in hotels, which is I know, which is mind boggling, like that's how much that's how influenzial that that, But it's it's it's all bullshit. It's that there's nothing, there is no there's no reason for it. I looked up kind of like why, and there's there's really no concrete reason. They kind of say, well, people kind of think it's you know, it's because there were thirteen people at the Last Supper and Judas was considered the thirteenth person, so I was considered. So you know, the whole logic of it is completely faulty. It's gone back much much further than that to being associated with the divine and being good luck and prosperate to those who embrace it. So there's thirteen runs for a very specific reason, and it is that kind of shadow work that is you start to question, Okay, what is what is real? What is you know, what is not in thirteen?

21:21 Starting there? That is a very lucky number. So yeah, and then the second one is a call for an action. And you know, I compare, you know, having that divergent focus. It's like if you were to put a blindfold on and go stand with your nose to a brick wall. You take the blindfold off, all you're going to see is a blurry shader ad right, and just take a step back now you can make out a brick. You take out another step brack, you could see that there's a few bricks. Take another step back, Okay, it's the wall. And then you take another step back. It's like, okay, this wall is attached to something. And then you go even further back and you see that what was originally just a blurry shade of red is now a magnificent castle. And now you've achieved this divergent focus. And that is what makes meditation so incredibly critical, is that people need to stop looking at this, you know, at their nose and you know, this blurry shade of red, when there's this incredible castle all around us. And that is why meditation is so important. That it is the break I've you know, like I've asked, once you ever take a break from meditating like the gym. It's like, well, no, you don't take a break from meditation, because meditation is the break your mind is going all the time. It finally gets to rest and just relax, and it's it's amazing the differences it makes. And you know, just starting with just five minutes is good, all.

22:42 Right, So meditating every day and then you say it can be just five minutes or longer for some people. And what goes into the third run. The third one is called surrender to serenity, and that's about accepting person, places, as things as they are. And the main focus for surrender serenity is is is human behavior. And that's what I get into the the most is trying to understand human behavior better. And we place you know, bad people in this category off that's a bad person and that's a good person. When it's again that this is the world of gray. There is both and and it is it is about understanding, you know, because I've been now in both places. There is no bad and good people like I have been. You know, I used to I would get in trouble for drinking and driving.

23:31 I never I don't have any felonies, but I've had several misdemeanors. You know, I've got in trouble for stealing was a big thing. I was still alcohol I stole a bunch of alcohol when I was, you know, a teenager. And you know, I'd steal stuff from department stars for money in my twenties and you know, like that that's a that's a bad guy. But there was a good guy in there, you know, And so it is it is about understanding human behavior better so that when bad things happen or people do bad things to us, it's it's understanding that people are simply a reflection of the environment they were raised and that's all. They're just programmed machines doing what they were programmed to do. And it just it's helped me immensely deal with with you know, offensive and nasty behavior and all that stuff.

24:16 Well, and what's interesting is as you're able to do that, and you call it serenity, but as you're able to, as you're meditating, those things come up, and as you're able to just to acknowledge it, just to acknowledge it, Okay, this is there that somehow takes away the power of that negative belief or negative imprint. And I think that's amazing. So then from there you go into the fourth room. And what's that, Yes, that is health as wealth, which is fairly self explanatory. I kind of get into, you know, like the importance of taking care of the temple, right that the body is the temple to the soul. And you know, there was a time I treat my as a temple now, but there was a time when I treated like an amusement park, and so you know, it is it is the importance of you know, taking care of this thing. It is the mind, body, spirit. It's that trifecta, and you have to take care of all three and if and if one starts to wane, it starts to affect the other two. So it is the importance of keeping the body. And you know, it's it covers everything from you know, you know kind of nutrition wise and working out, WHI sleep, you know, all these kind of new health things that are out there, and it's just it really is just importance of taking care of yourself well.

25:35 And it's interesting to note that in many cases those emotions of subconscious, those experiences that create such stress, start to affect our bodies. So as we start to notice that we're not failing good, that can be a good red flag to say, okay, you start need to start looking at what's really going on in your life. And obviously, sometimes you know, health issues are for some other reasons. But I think there's so many times that we can look at something stress causes so much stuff happening as far as within the body that it starts to create ill help and I and I love the fact that you focus on that because I think that's so important.

26:18 Then we get to the fifth rung, emotional alchemy. Talk about that. Yeah, so that is uh, that's that's one of the that's one of the big ones for me. So, you know, alchemy for those of donors, is the ancient art or process of turning base metals into gold, so brass or metal into gold by you know, kind of an unknown magical process, something sorcerers do the the other kind of sorcerer. I'm a sorcerer with a you it's a different kind of sorcerer, but real sorcerers apparently can do that. You know. Science may say it's impossible, but science can be kind of boring sometimes, but emotional alchemy is undeniably possible because I do it every day. And that is turning these kind of base emotions that are already there and alchemizing them into higher level emotions such as join love. But there are certain things that you can do that, let's say, you know, like trauma can actually be alchemized into wisdom. You know, once you disconnect the emotional charge from a traumatic memory that now you are now you are more wise now it is wisdom.

27:25 It is no longer a trauma. It's no longer affecting your life. That you know, that's PTSD comes in and you know, once you once you take that charge away, now it is now wisdom. So you can you know, work on alchemizing you know, your trauma into wisdom. You can alchemize you know, pain into motivation. Pain can be a great motivating factor and so you can kind of take that pain and use it. And I mean I certainly was doing that. You want to do more than that because a lot of people who make it to the top use pain as motivation and they get to the top and it feels hollow and lonely. So so there's more things to but that's an example of it, certainly. And another one I love doing is kind of the curiosity of human behavior. And you know, humans can you know, they can offend us, that you know, they can scare us.

28:13 You know they can disgust us. There are several things that can happen from you know, interaction with other people. And you can be jealous of humans. It's kind of those four kind of main ones. But you know, if you if you start to study them and get curious. This kind of alchemizes the negative whatever feeling, jealousies, you know, fear, discuss whatever one you're already feeling. It kind of it turns it into something else, and you start studying them, you start becoming curious. There's a book out right now that's very buzzy. Mel Robbins. Let them and you know, just let them. Theory, it's kind of distancing yourself from them, and that's good in a way that there's there is something to that that is it's much better than kind of being controlling. And I don't want this to happen this person. This should be this way. And I don't know why I feel it's it's it's kind of disconnecting yourself from them. But that's what's good and bad about it, is you're also disconnecting yourself from them. I believe we're all one consciousness and we should all kind of, you know, you know, get along better. So to disconnect completely, I think we should take it a step further than just letting them and study them. So there are you know, these these things you can do to alchemize the kind of negative emotions that are there and turn them into something much more helpful.

29:26 It's called reframing. Uh I love the word applimized. So then you get to the sixth throne, comfort and discomfort. Yes, so yeah, that's that's a pretty self expigue zory one. So it's it's just if you're if you're constantly in the comfort zone, it's a beautiful place to be, but a sourcer understands that nothing really grows there. It's we all need our comfort and it's it's important. But if you're constantly in comfort, I guarantee you you're not growing. So it's it's to purposely put yourself in an uncomfortable situation at least once week, a really uncomfortable situation. So you know, it's something that you don't want to do, and it's like, okay, I told myself, I'm going to do something. And especially us here in America, we get so programmed into our you know, daily day to day life and you know it's all I don't want to do that, and you know that's uh no, no, you know, do something uncomfortable. You know, there's someone asks you to speak at a wedding that's uncomfortable. You know, the first reaction for pretty much anyone is not I don't want to do that. But these things pushing yourself. You learn more about yourself when you push yourself into some discomfort.

30:34 And if you're never pushing yourself into discomfort, the universe has a way of shoving you into discomfort. And it's very it's much more uncomfortable. It's like babies out of the nest of the eagle, you know, Like when you get shoved into discomfort, it's it's it's a lot more difficult than when you step into yourself. So that's what that wrong is about, Okay, And. Then we get into the seventh throng, attention to intention. I love I love the wording that you've got there. I think that you talk about attention to intention. Attention to intention, and you know, I realized, you know, especially through my thirties, I forget attention deficit disorder. I had intention deficit disorder. I was I was letting my past create my future. When you're constantly living in past memories and past things, you are going to act as that person and continue to draw in more of what you do not want, you know, thinking and fearing and I like to say worrying is praying for what you don't want to happen. So it is about being extremely intentional with things. And you know, the best thing I've with attention is intention is you know, I found when I go to the gym and you know, I'll just pop up and do pull ups, I'll get twelve. But if I stand there before I jump up there and say I'm getting fifteen, I get fifteen. So it is extremely important we are intentional with our energy. And I have found that to just be a life changing, a life changing thing. And and it's it's it's about coming up with a plan because you can kind of narrate

32:05 your way through your lege. You know, you can kind of Morgan Freeman your way through life if you if you if you really do it purposely. So it's it is about being intentional and creating tuning into your manifestation. So it's like a radio station and your intention and what you want. And it's like those old radio stations world enough to remember, but you know you have that little wheel on top and then you have the antenna. But that's mind heart coherence, which is creating the beacon and creating your manifestation signal. It's tuning into those two things. Through the mind and heart all of a sudden, now they're in line. You've got a clear intention with an elevated emotion, and that's when miracles happen. So that is, that's what intention is all about.

32:48 True. And then you get into the goats over sheep a throng. Yeah, goes over sheep, So that is that's that's the acronym greatest of all Time, So goats. And it's funny because the animal itself is kind of what you know, it represents what I'm talking about here, which is which is kind of you know, most people were looking at our sheep. They are they are kind of you know, everyone just wants to kind of be told what to do and and they're not really questioning anything. It's just they're just intaking information and going and and so the majority of the people around you are you know, are sheep. And the first step to being a goat is kind of know that not all goats are necessary sorcerers. You know, the sorcers are kind of a little bit more humble. Not all goats are super humble, but it is about having that goat mentality. So the greatest of all time, and you know, you have humility about it, but you also believe in your mind that you are that person and it is you know, goats are you know, kind of unheurtable, kind of do their own thing. Animals, you know, on top of being an acronym that they're they're an appropriate animal compared to a sheep, that it's just they really kind of do their own thing. And so, you know, other people can have great stuff for you, but you know, it's again the world of gray. Other people's opinions can be both helpful and destructive. And a goat sorcer or goat you know, is going to work that way through his intuition and come up with the best answer.

34:09 And it's really understanding the goodness that lies within you, and you know you are at that higher level. And then we get into the ninth throng, which is follow your bliss, and we're going to go a little faster here because we're getting close to time. Yeah, and that's yeah, that's the Joseph Campbell Hero's Journey initiation separation. And in that one, I also get into a lot of the simulation theory and how you know, I have a really good, great argument for this being a simulation which is essentially, you know, a training ground for love is what I consider this to be, you know, a simulation for that. So that kind of gets into that a little bit. Okay, and then the tenth rog and I like this when Rose Colored Contacts talk a little bit about what the people that we surround ourselves with and how that literally affects us.

34:56 Yeah, so that's the perspective as you were talking about, and you know, having a better perspective on things, having better gratitude and and being around you know, others that tend to it's it's very good to set you know, an airplane has lifters and drags. You know, it's and it's very important. You know, lifters bring it up into the air and the drags will slow it down to land. And we have those in our lives too, and it's it's very important to identify our lifters and our drags in our life and you know, be around the lifters more and less around the drags, and and it's you know, we have kind of a name for them now and their energy vampires, and these are you know, these are people that we need to do our best to keep our because a lot of them don't even understand what they're doing. They're just stuck in their own perceptive world of negativity and continuing to just like I said, recycle that old energy and and and they're just they're just stuck in a loop and they have no idea. And so these are kind of people that we need to just identify and then and then do something about it.

35:56 And sometimes that's stuff because sometimes it's quote friends. And yet when you start to realize that that energy is negative and affecting you, it's tough to make that separation and that disconnect. But as you say, it is so essential. Now the eleventh for one interesting instinct versus intuition. Mm yep. That's a lot of people get those. They're they're they're confused, or they use them interchangeably. Instinct and intuition. But they're very different things. And that's why I go over and that rung is that instinct is it lives in the gut and intuition lives in the heart. And although we do need instinct at times, you know, I compare to like, let's say you're walking down a street on the way home from work, and all of a sudden, you know, there's a drive by and there's a gun hanging out of there. This is a good time to give into your instinct and react. Instinct is react, but if you don't process the trauma properly from an incident like this, every time you walk home from work, you're going to duck away from every car on the way home, and then you're going to get home and never leave.

36:54 So and that is when instinct has hit overdrive. And many of us are in this instinctual overdrive. And this this that's the fight or flight where we're we're constantly you know this is it was a very adaptive at one time in our lives. And now you know, running from the tiger. We no longer need to run from tigers. So now you know, the tiger has now become a coworker in law, and now we're in this constant instinctual fighter flight. And so it's getting out of that. And and and I have intuition training there where I go into how to actually train your intuition and get in touch with you on the player side of the simulation that that is the higher self, and how to ask questions and how to build a relationship with your higher self so that you can now use your intuition instead of always instinct because they can run an overdrive and and and ruin our lives. They really can't.

37:45 And that's that's a great point. So then you get into the twelfth round, that chakra life. Yeah, that's yeah, that's just that's really about balancing shockers and the importance of recognizing them where they are. I get into that and just you know what they are, where they are, where they're located energy little board Texas, and and how to how to best balance them and keep you know, and and keep them balanced. So yeah, it is they are. They are real, So that that's that's that's an important part. Well, they're real, and what they represent is even more real. And for folks to say, well chakras, Yeah, but really what they're representing is our whole life and how we respond and and I think that's so important. And then you get into the final rong, the thirteenth wrong, which is an assist leader. Yeah, understand that one.

38:34 Yeah, that's uh so that's about, you know, becoming an assist leader. So I'm I'm a former basketball player or to play anymore, but I used to and you know, the uh, some of my favorite basketball players were assist leaders, you know, like Chris Paul and Steve Nash and and you know, these these guys were very good at assisting other people that you know, they were good at scoring, but what they'll remember most as is as as helping their teammates to succeed. And that is what assist leaders do. So it is you know, it's about kind of finding your own apprentice, like kind of explaining, you know, like kind of going through the rungs and getting yourself better. But the whole point of the book is to try to continue it because you know, like it's with many things, you know, education can wear off if we don't continue to use it. You know, I got my personal trainer's license over COVID, but I can't currently call myself a personal trainer because you have to take a class every year to keep it going. So, you know, like that's the continuing education of it. A lot of the stuff I learned it in college. You know, I passed pre algebra in college. But there's absolutely no way you would you'd give me a problem with numbers and letters attached to it that I'm going to be able to solve it.

39:44 I have no idea, not a clue, So assist leader. It's about keeping this information going and helping other people, finding your own apprentice, you know, and and teaching because once you start teaching, then it really gets into your psyching and your soul and you start bec and and staying that person. So that's true. And you know in your book, as I was looking at it, it's like, all right, there's a thirteenth that oh, whoops, there's an encore. Yeah. Yeah, that's just kind of that's kind of just kind of the sum nation of everything. I kind of go over just just with you know, what what what to do, and and you know how important it is to kind of keep things going. And you know, if you picture your journey like like that, like the stock market, you know, the stock market is something that you know, it's had its huge downfalls and crashes over time, but if you look at the the grand scope of things, it's it's gone from you know, very minimal to you know, it's a forty thousand or whatever now and it's it's it's now, you know, thousands of times what it was worth.

40:44 So over time it continues to go, but you're going to have these times of uncertainty and crashes and but over time it's going to continue to go up. So if you look at your life like the stock market, it's going to continue to go up, but you have to get through those depths. Well. And as we talk about encore and then what would be a message that you'd like to share with the audience kind of as a final message and. Thought, uh, you know it's I've kind of thought and you know, the main message I'd like to share with people and something that I wish someone had told me is you know, the world may be against you, but the universe is for you. And really that's that's all that mattered. That's all that mattered.

41:28 Yeah, okay, good message. So how do people find your book? Yeah, so it's on Amazon searched by my name Justin l. Shab. I don't know if you have links or whatever I can I can send you to, but if you just search for my name justin l. Shab, it's kind of hard with the sorcery misspelled. It wants to autocorrect it and stuff. So it's the best way is Amazon and my name. I just recently, I've been off I've been off social media for four years now and I just got back on Instagram like last week. So if if you if you follow me, I'll follow you back because it's all good people. I haven't even told my friends and family I'm on it because I kind of wanted to just be like, I want to see like all these people from these fun podcasts and these are kind of my people. So a Sorcerer with a you underscore thirteen on Instagram. And that's that's all I've got going right now. I'm just at the very beatings of this book just came out, you know, six weeks ago or whatever, so things are still happening and I'm still building stuff and working on a website but it's not up yet.

42:25 So it's yeah, it's all coming together. But that's what I got right now. So and are you ultimately wanting to become that assist leader and actually start to work with people and become a coach of some sort. Yes, yeah, I would love to be able to do that. I'm kind of on maybe on the macro level. I'd love to, you know, get together some webinars or even go on kind of tours. And I call myself a mystical comedian because you've got your comedians, You're kind of spiritual teachers leaders, and I'm kind of a mix of the two. So I would love to be able to get together and you know, like have a thing where I like to write meditations and I do that, and so to be able to bring in and get people to have this really powerful meditation to get going and then you know, make people laugh and think and feel all at the same time and kind of do like a stand up that would be amazing. So there's stuff happening.

43:22 I just I was just told, get the book out, write the book. You need a place to start. Here it is now let's see where this is. Going to go. Great, great, hey, well and good luck with that. I know that you're going to have some effect on some other people. And I appreciate the fact this book, I think is so effective as we went through each of the wrongs of how someone literally, if they'll read it, can start to experience a complete change in their life and develop a new sense of reality for themselves. So appreciate very much what you've done, and folks, appreciate the fact that you're listening today and if you enjoyed it, look forward to having the joints again soon.

44:03 So this is doctor Doug saying no mistay