April 26, 2026

Viral Clip: The Coldplay Kiss Cam Fallout

Viral Clip: The Coldplay Kiss Cam Fallout
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Season 1

When a Coldplay concert kiss cam caught Kristen Cabot and Andy Byron in a passionate moment, the crowd cheered—until the pair panicked, tried to hide, and the internet turned their split-second reaction into a full-blown scandal. What began as a viral clip quickly spiraled into career-ending resignations, doxxing, public shaming, and the explosive reveal of long-hidden personal secrets.

In this episode, Jim unpacks the entire Coldplay concert catastrophe: the moment that destroyed two high-profile careers overnight, the ruthless online pile-on, the surprising truths that came to light, and what this story says about viral fame, privacy, and the terrifying power of a single camera shot.

Timestamps
16:48 The Aftermath Begins
18:15 Kristen's Background Unveiled
25:25 The Fallout of Viral Fame
30:51 A Deeper Dive
1:19:54 The Rest of the Story

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed. Today. I am

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bringing you one banger of a story, and this is

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one of those stories that I promise you ninety nine

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percent of us we've heard it may be made judgment

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on it, but this is also the type of story

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that also proves there's always two sides to a story. Now,

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for this one, I got to set the scene. So

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it's July sixteenth of twenty twenty five Gillette Stadium. That's

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the stadium where the New England Patriots play. It was

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Coldplay on the stage and they are rocking it to

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fifty thousand fans. Now, amongst this massive crowd where two

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people Andy Byron, the CEO of a tech company, and

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Kristin Cabot, they had of human resources for that company

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and also a direct subordinate to Andy. Now we likely

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have all seen kiss cams. Typically these are done at

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major sporting events like basketball, baseball, hockey. The camera scans

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the crowd and if it focuses on you and your

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significant other, you kiss and everyone goes crazy and cheers. Well,

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Kristin and Andy, they were amongst the crowd and they

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were focused in one but the reaction was unlike something

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you would ever see. Rather than a quick kiss and

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a wave to the crowd, Andy, who at the time

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was embracing Kristin from behind while the song Yellow was playing,

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he cowers away very quickly, literally out of the camera's view,

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and Kristin she quickly covers her face and she appears

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to duck down, and it became obvious to the fifty

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thousand people there, and also obvious to the lead singer

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of Coldplay, guy by the name of Chris Martin, that

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something wasn't right. As a matter of fact, he states

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to the crowd, quote, either they are having an affair

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or they are extremely shy. Now, ten years ago, maybe

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that would have been in a little embarrassment. Maybe a

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stranger caught it on his cell cam and he would

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show it to a friend, But likely the world would

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have never known. Ten years ago, this was a TikTok

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free world. Remember, however, this was July twenty twenty five

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and TikTok is rolling and everyone is trying to go viral.

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So within an hour this moment was everywhere. It was

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actually the perfect clip for TikTok. How fast did it move?

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Well?

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How about a one hundred million million views in just

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two days, and it thrust two people into a situation

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where they would lose their jobs and create a harassment situation,

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especially the female side of this couple, that you wouldn't believe.

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So let's get into it, and I'm going to start

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by telling you a little about Kristin Cabin. Now, Kristen

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was born in Massachusetts. This was in nineteen seventy three,

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and she was fifty two years old at the time

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of this incident. And honestly, she didn't look and still

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does not look fifty two years old. Very well put together, beautiful,

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very pretty lady. She was a longtime resident of the

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Boston area and obviously, prior to this whole kiss cam incident,

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she wasn't in the public eye in any way, shape

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or form. She was just a normal human walking the

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earth and working hard, super smart lady. And what we

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did know is that she graduated from college in nineteen

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ninety five and from the early to mid two thousands

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she was killing it in the advertising and marketing field,

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working with several large agency. Then in twenty ten, somewhere

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in that timeframe, she transitions more into the human resources

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side of business, and she really excels throughout the next

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twelve years. Now, during this time she does get married

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and she has two children. However, in twenty eighteen, she

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files for divorce from her first husband. Now that divorce

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finalizes in twenty twenty two, and that same year she remarried.

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She actually married a guy by the name of Andrew

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Cabin and he comes from a very wealthy, well known,

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super well known family in the Boston area. They are

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actually in the rum business and that business is known

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as privateer rum. So after two years of being in

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this marriage, she joins a company called Astronomer, which at

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that point was a very promising company. I wouldn't call

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it a startup. It had been it had been in

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business quite a while, but it was the tech business

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and it was still kind of waiting for its boom

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into the world. Astronomer was a company really wanting to

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get in the AI space and how that can be

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harnessed to improve workflow. The company was founded in twenty fifteen,

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but it was really starting to get its feet underneath

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itself as of this point, and they needed a really smart,

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business minded individual to head up their HR department. In

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Kristin Cabot. She fit the role to a t so

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in November of twenty twenty four, she gets hired on

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at Astronomer. In her role was what they termed the

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Chief people Officer, meaning she was the head of HR basically,

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but they got a cute little term mayor. Now when

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she interviewed for that job and she was hired, she

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was actually hired by the CEO of that company, who

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is indeed Andy Byron. So shortly after being hired by Astronomer,

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Kristen and her husband Andrew Cabot, they seemed to be

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getting along. They purchased a two and a half million

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dollar home in Rye, New Hampshire, and life is good,

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or so you would think. So now let's talk about

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the CEO of Astronomer, a guy by the name of

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Andy Byron, and he was born in Hanover, Massachusetts in

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nineteen seventy four, but he grew up in Duxbury, Massachusetts,

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and he apparently had a pretty privileged upbringing. He attended

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private schools throughout his childhood, and he actually graduated from

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a private high school which was a boarding school as well,

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and those are not cheap. That's why I say he

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likely had a pretty privileged upbringing. So from there he

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goes to college and Andy was a bit of an athlete.

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He actually played baseball in college. He graduates in nineteen

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ninety seven from Providence College, this is in Rhode Island,

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and he got a bachelor's in political science. So in

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nineteen ninety seven, that's when he enters the tech world,

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although at this point he was not in the development

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side of tech. He was more on the sales side

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of the industry. Moving on to the early two thousands,

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he gets married to a lady by the name of

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Megan Kerrigan, and she was a teacher and educator, and

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they have a few kids. And man, does this guy

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thrive in the tech world for the next twenty years.

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This guy is just killing it. And in July of

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twenty twenty three, after leading several tech companies in different

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areas is he is named the CEO at Astronomer, which

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is where he would meet and hire Kristin Cabot. Now,

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by the time Kristen came on board with the company

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under Andy Byron's leadership, this company was soaring. He had

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literally brought this company by twenty twenty five to an

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estimated value of one point three billion with a B

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dollars and I would love to give you his side

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of the story, but I can't. He has never spoken

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about it, either a public statement or otherwise that I've

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ever been able to come across. So I only have

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Christen's side of the story to tell you, and it

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may in fact shock you. So here is what occurred,

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according to Kristin. So she starts her job as a

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people officer at Astronomer. This is in November as a

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set of twenty twenty four, and it's a fast paced environment,

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very busy, and she will speak with Andy Byron, the CEO.

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She kind of worked almost directly with him two to

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three times every day regarding the culture inside of Astronomer,

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very important aspect to business. And they develop a friendship

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that then develops into feelings for each other, but it

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was unspoken between the two. So Winner of twenty twenty

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four moves into Spring of twenty twenty five, and one

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day they're grabbing lunch together, kind of working through lunch,

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and Andy Byron notices something just was not right with Kristen.

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She just seemed kind of down in the dumps. It

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was just not her normal cheery, upbeat self, and he

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asked her if anything was wrong and Kristin mentioned that

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her and her husband were separated and she had never

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told Andy Byron that before, and she said, look, I'm

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just going through a lot with this separation, and Andy

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tells her, Wow, I'm going through the exact same thing,

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a separation. So they kind of start leaning on each other.

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And what do you think is going to happen at

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that point? To all my ladies out there listening, You're

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going through this really tough time a separation, and your

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friend and your boss who you kind of like but

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you'd never told him you like him, and vice versa,

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and you find out he's going through the same thing

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and he's also separated, and you're confiding in each other.

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I mean, you can see where this is going to lead.

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There was already an unspoken spark with these two and

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it turns into an absolute inferno. Now. According to Christen,

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Big feelings grew fast, and she said she started imagining

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a romantic relationship and the possibilities with Andy involving that relationship,

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and she said Andy was kind of reciprocating everything she

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was putting out as far as romantic feelings, basically feeling

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her love tank if you will. Now, nothing physical had

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occurred yet, it was just that they both kind of

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knew they were really into each other. So she said,

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at that point they had a problem. They knew they

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were attracted to each other. But this was her boss,

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and Kristin directly reported to Andy, and they had a

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board of directors, And that type of thing is very

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frowned upon in any industry, in any job, because if

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it goes bad, that can be big problems for a

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major billion dollar company. Also, Kristin was the head of

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h all. No one knew the rules better than Kristin

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as it relates to workplace relationships. So they have a

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conversation with each other about their feelings for each other. Now,

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according to Kristin, before things went any further, they were

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going to inform the board of them and see if

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the board could kind of work it out to where

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she would not have to report directly to Andy. And

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I know this is where I was like, I don't know,

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I mean, did you really never touch each other or

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kiss each other or anything prior to talking to this board.

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But that's her story, you know, That's what she says occurred,

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that they confess these feelings to each other, but nothing

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physical until they were to talk to that board, which

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was going to be quickly now prior to having this

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meeting with the board, but after having the conversation about

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five days after, they kind of confess these feelings for

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each other. Kristen and a few of her friends they

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are going to a Coldplay concert. Now, she had an

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extra ticket, and of course, who do you think she's

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gonna ask to go with her? Andy? She wanted to

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hang out with him. She was smitting with this guy whatever,

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and she calls him and she says, hey, you want

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to get to the Coldplay concert with me and my friends?

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And he says yes. So before the concert starts, she

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and Andy and her other friends that were going they

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meet at a steakhouse. They have a great dinner, and

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from there they head to the concert. Now they're waiting

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in line to get in this concert and suddenly she

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gets a text from her daughter, and her daughter says, hey,

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you'll never guess who's at the concert somewhere. I mean,

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this is fifty thousand people. But her daughter says, you'll

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never guess who's there, and she says Dad, which is

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Kristin's estranged husband. Right they're separated, but he's there, and

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Kristin kind of goes into panic mode for a second. Now,

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not because she's doing anything wrong, per se, but she's

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out there at this concert and her boss's with her,

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which her a strange husband knew who her boss was,

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and they had met and talked before, and the last

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thing she wanted was her sooner to be acts seeing

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this and something go haywire. Maybe he gets jealous and

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he goes and tells the board before they've had a

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chance to tell the board. And she also said that

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their divorce was going pretty amicably at this time. They

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were getting along trying to go through this divorce, and

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she didn't want to screw that up, so she kind

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of panicked for a second. But she thought the same

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thing all of us would think, which is, what are

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the chances that he's actually going to see us among

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fifty thousand people. So they get in the stadium and

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she's got to calm her nerves a little bit. And

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she's not a big drinker, but she and Andy they

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both partake in a few high noons. And if you've

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ever had a high noon, it can hit you pretty quick.

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If you've had two or three of them, it can

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really hit you hard, but she knew that would take

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the edge off, and it indeed did. And they're having

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a great time. They're dancing, they're listening to Coldplay, and

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it was at this point that Annie and Kristin, according

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to her, they have their first kiss. Now following that,

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the song Yellow by Coldplay comes on, and this is

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kind of a ballad if you've never heard that song.

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It's a love song, but not a slow love song,

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but something if you've got someone there that you're really

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attracted to and you are falling in love with, as

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Kristin said she was, this is something that can kind

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of push you over the edge. And Andy's behind her,

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He's got his arms wrapped around her. He's kind of

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swaying with her to that song. And right there on

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the jumbo tron painting, the audience focuses in right on

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the two of them, and reactions tell me a lot. Now, Kristen,

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upon seeing herself and Andy on the jumbo tron, she

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quickly covers her face with her hands and he's kind

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of laughing. It's almost like an embarrassment kind of thing.

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When the camera focus in on her and she turns

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to her friend, and you can actually see her kind

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of laughing, but it's not the oh shit, I'm in

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trouble kind of reaction, more like an O. Great, my

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estranged husband is in the crowd. He's gonna see this,

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and he's gonna have some sort of reaction I don't like. However, Andy,

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on the other hand, he literally hunches down whether camera

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does not see him, and then completely disappears. And it's

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at that point that Chris Martin, the lead singer of Coldplay,

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says this.

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Yeah, oh look at these two. All right, come on,

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you're okay? What Either that having an effeed or that's

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this great shot?

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So yeah. Kristen would say later she had two thoughts. First,

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she said her strange husband would see this. They were

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having an amicable divorce as divorces go, and she said

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she didn't really want her a strange husband to be humiliated.

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You gotta remember, people knew this guy very popular in Boston.

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She didn't want everybody clowning him, if you will, saying oh,

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we saw your estranged wife hugging up on another dude

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at the Cold Blake concert. So that was her thoughts.

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In second, she said, Annie's my boss, and she didn't

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want either one of them getting into trouble with astronomer.

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That was it. That was what she was worried about,

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and that seems completely reasonable. It tells me from a

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moral standpoint, she was doing nothing wrong. But any not

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only did he duck like he was dodging bullets in Vietnam,

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but he ran the hell out of the whole damn building,

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didn't even look back for Kristen. But why you gotta

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ask yourself that. Sure, he's wrapped around his subordinate, but

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it's not life or death unless he was lying. So

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we'll get back to that. So at this point, everyone

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leaves the arena and she and Andy they sit outside

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and they are like freaked out, and they decide to

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go back to the bar and go ahead and plan

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out how they were going to tell the board about this,

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because she just had a feeling, as did he, that

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this was gonna get around pretty quick. Not to the

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extended dead, obviously, but they knew somebody likely that knew them,

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saw this, and they wanted to make sure they were

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reported to that board before anyone else. So they make

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plans on what they're gonna do, and he leaves, Kristin

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goes home, goes to bed, and when she's going to sleep,

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she's thinking, everything will be fine, and we're gonna make

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sure we're ahead of this. Well, middle of the night,

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she gets a text while she's sleeping from her estranged husband,

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and that text was a link to a TikTok. So

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she goes there and she sees the video that pretty

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much went around the world and holy smokes, millions upon

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millions of views already, And it's the middle of the

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night at this point. By eight o'clock in the morning,

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Annie and Kristin they have that call with the board,

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and the Board tells them that they had already been

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made aware of this. Somebody had already contacted them about

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the TikTok, But according to Kristin, they were pretty cool

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about it. They're like, hey, look, we're gonna get through this,

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no need to panic. So let's talk about Andy because

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apparently Andy lied to Kristin. How do we know this

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besides his obvious reaction on that jumbo tron, which told

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me kind of everything I needed to know about that. Well,

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just a few days after this incident, he resigns from

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Astronomer and his wife, who he was supposed to be

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separated from. She releases the following statement. This is on

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July twentieth quote. Hello everyone, I'm Megan Carrigan Byron. This

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is the most difficult moment of my life. I never

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imagined I would be thrust into the public spotlight in

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this way. I never imagined that my husband would betray me.

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I always believe that my marriage with any Byron was

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built on trust, respect, and pure love. Every time he

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told me there was something important at work and he

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couldn't make it home on time, I believed him. But

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it turns out during those times he was with another woman.

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I naively thought he was working hard for our family,

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for our children. But the kiss caught on camera at

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the concert shattered everything. Seeing Andy and Kristin Cabot cuddled together,

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then hurriedly separating when they noticed the camera brought me

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a level of humiliation and pain I cannot even describe.

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I cannot accept his actions. He was the husband I

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was proud of, the father the children respected most. His

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betrayal not only trampled my personal dignity, it's a betrayal

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of our whole family. I have decided to leave him.

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I cannot tolerate sharing a bed with a man who

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betrayed me. It's utterly disgusting. At the same time, I

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don't want my children to have to phase a father

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every day who doesn't truly value them. I will take

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my children and leave this repulsive man behind. Now I

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want to say something on that. Bringing the children into

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it kind of bothered me because I can tell, and

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I can kind of read between the lines that she

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was going to use that as a weapon against this

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guy by the way she wrote it. Now, I get it.

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She feels betrayed, she feels hurt, But it's bothersome that

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she would say, I will take my children and leave

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this repulsive man behind. When she wrote this particular Facebook post,

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it wasn't necessarily aimed at the general public. She probably

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could care less if anyone knew what her statement was.

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It was aimed at him. It's telling him you're about

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to pay in a lot of ways, and I get it.

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Two days after it went down, this chick was pissed. Now,

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so as I said, the incident occurred on July sixteenth,

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This statement by his wife released on July twentieth, and

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it was apparent that this dude was lying like a rug.

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He was not freaking separated then, just two days later,

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another statement of sort, a Facebook post from Megan, and

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it reads, Hello, my name is Megan Carigan, no longer

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Meghan Byron. Today I officially dropped his last name. Now,

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she didn't officially drop it, She officially is saying she's dropping.

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It would take longer than a day or two to

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drop a last name. But she goes on to say,

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while it may seem like just a formality to some,

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to me, it was closure. I didn't make this decision

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out of bitterness. I made it out of peace. I

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gave my heart, my loyalty, and my name to a

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man who couldn't even respect me in private, let alone

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in public. The betrayal was painful, but the public humiliation

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that cut deeper than anything. Watching the man I love

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kiss another woman not behind closed doors, and I want

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to interrupt there. They didn't kiss, or you didn't see

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him kissing on camera. But she's pessed, and so she's

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conflating things in her brain that didn't actually happen on camera.

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But it doesn't matter. This sheck's pest and she has

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every right to be, she goes on to say, but

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at a concert in front of thousands, while the war

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recorded it like entertainment. That was the moment everything changed.

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I won't drag his name. I don't need to the

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world saw what I saw. This post isn't for pity,

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It's for power. I removed Byron his last name, not

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because I lost something, but because I finally found myself

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again and I'm not going back. Meghan Karrigan, so let

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me catch you up here. She went from the sixteenth

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being married to dropping her name in her mind. Obviously

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not legally, it would take longer than that. But all

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this occurred in less than a week, which is pretty

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wild to me. Now. That was so fast. I do

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suspect they were having problems, but I don't believe for

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a second they were just separated at this point. There's

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no way with the post that she's putting on Facebook.

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This obviously shocked the shit out of his wife. And

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it's a real good example, y'all of how the general

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public jumps to a conclusion without knowing the full story.

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So made no mistake. Kristin was telling the truth and

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she was lied to by this guy, according to his wife.

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How do we know Kristin was not lying? Well? Her husband,

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as I told you, he was high profile in the area,

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and he actually released a statement weeks before the Coldplay incident,

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weeks before announcing he and Kristin were separated. So Kristin

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in this instance she was a victim, just like this

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guy's wife, but she was not treated as a victim.

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Although she was offered to stay at Astronomer, the hate

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coming at her was so bad that she had to

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resign her position because she felt like it was hurting

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the company. She was also called a home wrecker. She

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was called a gold digger, a side piece, a slut.

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People would scrutinize her appearance all over freaking social media.

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She was docksed to hell and back. She actually received

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five to six hundred calls a day from crazy people,

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death threats, you name it. Her life practically ruined at

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this point in time, and she did nothing wrong zero.

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But that's how dangerous social media can be. And that's

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how dangerous when you only know one side to a story,

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or you don't know any side, and you're basing a

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video off of no context, just what it looks like

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on the video, and you run to town with it

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and you got the whole freaking story wrong, and you

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ruining this lady's life. They ruined it at that time

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over that. It's infuriating to me. And then there was

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Andy Byron not saying a fucking word, not coming out

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at the bare minimum and saying, hey, look I lied

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to her. I lied to Kristen. She thought I was

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separated and I wasn't. I made a mistake, come to

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her defense a little bit. You supposedly were in love

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with this chick. He didn't do nothing and he never has,

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which to me, speaks volume on who this guy really is.

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I mean, people screw up. We're all human, But to

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just leave this girl out there subjected to all that

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at your doing, what kind of man is that? It's disgusting?

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Really get this, because I'm about to drop the shocker

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of all. According to my research, he's still married as

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of today, as of this recording in April of twenty

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twenty six, this guy is still married to Megan. They

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never divorced. And guess what, her name is still the

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same and they're still going strong, I guess now. An

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interesting side note, you may wonder how much money the

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girl made that posted that original viral TikTok I was

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curious about. It had hundreds of millions of views. Well,

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her name is Grace Springer and according to her zero.

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Unfortunately for Grace, at the time she posted that video,

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she did not qualify for monetizing. For that monetizing TikTok program,

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she didn't have enough subscribers yet at that point you

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had to have ten thousand subscribers in so many hours

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of views per month, and she didn't qualify for it.

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But when she posted that video it got two hundred

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million downloads. She gets zero because she was not in

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the program. So I got even more curious, and I

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was like, well, had she been in the program, what

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would she have likely made off of that one thirty

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second to boom thirty second TikTok get this, she would

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have made roughly one hundred and fifty thousand dollars she

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been in the monetization program, So I thought you might

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mind that interesting, but more of this story. Don't go

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with the story when you don't have both sides, because

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you can see this practically ruin someone's life. They had

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to quit their job, and they were doing nothing wrong.

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Now any Byron fuck him. But the other one she

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was doing nothing wrong. And when I say she got

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raped over the coals. It was ridiculous, So I thought

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you might enjoy that story because I didn't know the

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story until I looked at both sides, and I sure

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was shocked. Thank you so much for listening. Now, before

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I get out of here today, I want to say,

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my prayers and thoughts are with all of the victims

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of the Mall of Louisiana mass shooting. This took place

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in Baton Rouge, in my backyard. If you have not

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listened to Crime Wire Weekly where we talked about this

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horrific incident, please go do so. Oh just horrible, awful

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kids just killed a seventeen year old, beautiful girl from Lafayat,

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killed a man with special needs forty three years old,

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fighting for his life as of this recording, and I

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can tell you the good people in my neck of

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00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.319
the woods have had enough. It's as simple as that.

465
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:28.319
And things are about to drastically change in Baton Ridge, Louisiana,

466
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:33.640
you can believe that. But many prayers and my thoughts

467
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:38.839
are with everybody who is a victim, the families of

468
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.839
those victims, and all who knew and loved them. Now,

469
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.039
I do want to say before we get out of

470
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.680
here today, I do have I guess kind of a

471
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:52.799
surprise for you today. I'm exposed, and at the end

472
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.119
of this one, you're going to hear an actual interview

473
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:01.279
that Oprah Winfrey did with Kristen Cabot where she goes

474
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:04.880
into a lot more detail than I went into today

475
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:09.680
regarding everything she experienced as a result of this, and

476
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.599
also a little more in depth about her side of

477
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.839
the story. So I think you may enjoy it. It's

478
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:17.960
just kind of an extra I wanted to give you

479
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.920
at the end of this one, so if you want

480
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.119
to listen to it, it's going to play in just

481
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.079
a second as soon as I need my clothes. Lastly,

482
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.559
check out the Patreon commercial free early Releases bonus episode

483
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.799
as I got all kinds of things on that Patreon

484
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.279
page and it's about to get a lot more active.

485
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:34.960
Luck.

486
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:38.960
Two mass shootings in Louisiana in the last week have

487
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:43.920
really thrown me into nineteen different directions, and I haven't

488
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.960
been able to follow up with some things on Patreon,

489
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.920
but I'm about to get back into the groove with that,

490
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.960
So thank you for being patient with me.

491
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:53.359
There.

492
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:58.039
Until next time for exposed scandalous files of the Elite,

493
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:01.119
I'm your host Jim Chapman, much love.

494
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.200
You decided that this would be the only on camera

495
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.559
interview that you're planning to give.

496
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:13.680
Why did you decide to be here today? Yeah, First,

497
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.039
I want to thank you for having me. I was

498
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.400
reluctant to come, but I'm really grateful to be here

499
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:19.039
for me.

500
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:21.319
My mom always.

501
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.920
Taught us silence as acceptance. I think I mentioned that

502
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.720
in the article, and for me and my family, what

503
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.839
happened was not okay, and I felt like by remaining silent,

504
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.160
it was somehow accepting what had happened. And I really

505
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.880
felt also, there's a lot of people out there that

506
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.480
experienced something similar that didn't either have the strength to

507
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.839
come forward or were too traumatized or lost their lives

508
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.119
due to some of the things I experienced, And I

509
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.839
feel a sense of responsibility for those people to speak

510
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.440
out and share what it's really like when people carelessly

511
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:56.039
comment forward, click like and the damage that I can

512
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:56.400
really do.

513
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:00.359
So yes, you and I spoke on Zoom said.

514
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.240
First of all, before the story and the times I

515
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.240
didn't know the story, I was like everybody else. I

516
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.440
didn't watch it hundreds of times or even more than once,

517
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:15.279
but I made the judgment that you had made a

518
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:20.000
mistake in your out with your boss, and I did

519
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.880
not know the crucial part of that story that was

520
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.160
left missing from all of the tiktoks that were shared.

521
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:28.480
I'm gonna let you share that.

522
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.759
So take us back to the to the night of

523
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.160
the Coldplay concert and the decision to go to the

524
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:35.039
Coldplay concert.

525
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:36.200
Yeah, that's a great question.

526
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:41.319
So I had been going through I'll go a little

527
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:44.599
bit before before that's okay. So maybe four or six

528
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:48.480
weeks prior to the Coldplay concert, my husband and I

529
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:52.480
had decided to separate and were living apart and planning

530
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.880
for a divorce. And Andy Byer in my boss at

531
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.599
the time. He and I had a very close working relationship.

532
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.920
For anyone that's worked in tech a high growth startup,

533
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:03.279
they'll understand that the chief people officer and the CEO

534
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.799
are partners. We work side by side around the clock.

535
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.239
It was it was a high growth startup that was

536
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.679
growing at one hundred percent year over year. We were

537
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.639
hiring like crazy, and so we were really in it

538
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.679
together and spent a ton of time together. And it

539
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:20.639
was Yeah, it was about It was about around the

540
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.519
time that Andrew and I my husband had separated and

541
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.719
Andy have the same name, so forgive me to try

542
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.119
to keep up here. Andy and I had gone out

543
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.800
to grab sandwiches during the workday and he asked me,

544
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:34.920
I seemed a little off, and he just said, what's

545
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.039
going on? And I said, well, my my husband and

546
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:41.000
I are separating and planning a divorce. And he immediately

547
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:42.400
let me know that he was in the exact same

548
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.519
situation that he and his wife were living apart. They

549
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.880
were planning for a divorce and it had been many

550
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.599
years in the making. So that became like a really

551
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.159
instant kind of point of connection for us. And over

552
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:56.559
the next you know, few weeks to month, that was

553
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:58.559
a place that was really great for me to be

554
00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.960
able to go to talk about what I was going through,

555
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.559
and I was a good safe space for him, and

556
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.000
I think probably my friend did you both talk about

557
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.239
it was like going through that was where we started

558
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.840
to build a bit of a stronger connection.

559
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.000
And I, you know, I was really surprised when he

560
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:13.400
told me.

561
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:15.719
I just we didn't talk a lot about our personal

562
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.719
lives prior to that, so I didn't expect to hear

563
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.079
that from him. Right he had been married a long time,

564
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.119
so I just assumed all was well. So we leading

565
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.239
up to the concert, like at that point we started

566
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.199
talking a lot more about personal things and kids and

567
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.039
how it's going and all of that, in addition to

568
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.280
the busy and frequent work conversations.

569
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:38.079
And were you having more lunches was it becoming Yeah, yes,

570
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:38.559
we were.

571
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.000
We It just felt like a really familiar, like safe

572
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.519
place to talk about what was going on. And it's

573
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.119
so much easier when someone else is in it in

574
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:48.159
the same experience.

575
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:48.920
We could share that.

576
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.440
So so we developed feelings for each other during that time,

577
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.400
because I'm very sure, Yeah, were you attracted to each other? Yes, yeah, yes, absolutely,

578
00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:59.880
And that's why I like, you know, when people would say, oh,

579
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.679
they didn't look like friends in the video, like that

580
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.360
was the culmination point of feelings that had developed over

581
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.440
the course of you know, four to six weeks.

582
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:06.960
I was okay.

583
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.880
So when we spoke over zoom, you said, that was

584
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:12.039
the first time you all had done anything publicly. That's

585
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.039
the first time you'd actually shared any kind of physical

586
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:16.360
to physical touch.

587
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.719
Yes, so at the Coldplay concerts first time. Yes, I'll explain,

588
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.960
I'll explain. I'm here to share what really happened.

589
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.239
So Okay, I know, I know there's a lot of

590
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.719
there's a lot of context there. So I had friends

591
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.400
that had gotten tickets to the show. They asked if

592
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.679
I wanted to join the two extra seats. I never

593
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.599
go out, so it's kind of a joke amongst my friends.

594
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.920
Let alone on a weeknight, usually with my kids or

595
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.840
I'm working, and I had just gone through a pretty

596
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:45.519
tough period, and I was like, you know what, it's summer,

597
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.119
it's a week night, Like I'm going to go see

598
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.239
I love cold Play, I'm going.

599
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:49.840
To go or I loved Coldplay, but.

600
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.079
I kind of got ruined for me, I'll be honest,

601
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.800
not the biggest fan anymore. But and it was it

602
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.280
was like such a no brainer to invite Andy. We

603
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:01.400
just we When I say we would talk like ten

604
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.760
times a day. That was even before this connection started.

605
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.039
It's just the nature of our job and our working relationship.

606
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.280
Plus we were, you know, enjoying spending time together, and

607
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:10.280
it just seemed like.

608
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.719
We've been I just want to be clear, what time

609
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.920
had you spent together before lunches?

610
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:17.840
We would lunches at work.

611
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.280
So everything had been business up until the Cold Boat

612
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:21.280
content yes.

613
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:21.800
Yes, whoa.

614
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.880
Absolutely though we'd had a lot of personal conversation and

615
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.199
had acknowledged that we had feelings for each other.

616
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.639
Okay, Also, it was.

617
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:33.480
Becoming apparent to me that we were putting ourselves in

618
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.519
a situation where it was going to get risky from

619
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.639
a work standpoint. I mean I reported to him it's

620
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:40.920
you know, it's my role was to actually like be

621
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.360
aware of those things happening at work and flagging when

622
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:43.800
it might.

623
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.519
Cause Yeah, prop so was there.

624
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.519
I always say that there's a whisper and then there's

625
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:49.320
a pebble and a brick and a brick? Was there

626
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:54.440
a little whisper saying we should tell somebody or we should.

627
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:55.239
It was more than a whisper.

628
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:57.360
It was like a real conversation where we sat down

629
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.159
and said, like, we have to figure out a plan

630
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.519
for this because we're these feelings were real. This wasn't

631
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.199
like a fleeting thing. And we decided that we put

632
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.000
kind of a plan together, but we wanted to propose

633
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.960
to our board of directors that would change the reporting structure.

634
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.079
Didn't you tell me that you were thinking about going

635
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:14.280
to the board? Are you all were going to go

636
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:14.559
to geh?

637
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:19.119
We ironically met probably five or six days before the concert.

638
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:21.280
We had we had a lunch that was a lengthy

639
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.400
lunch to talk about this and to make a plan.

640
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.440
And plan was to go to the to the board

641
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.239
and let them know that we had developed feelings for

642
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:30.960
one another and that we wanted to change and in

643
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.000
it was consensual. It was consensual, and which is an

644
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.840
important point, one hundred percent, And we wanted to propose

645
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.400
a plan for what might work to make, you know,

646
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.519
take this reporting line out of the equation, meaning you

647
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.679
reporting to him, meaning no longer reporting to him, no

648
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.599
longer according to one of our investors, anything like that.

649
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.760
All right, that makes sense. Seemed like it made sense

650
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.440
at the time. Yeah, felt it felt like the right

651
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:56.760
thing to do. And yeah, and then I got the

652
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.480
invitation to Cold Play. I invited him to come. It

653
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:01.719
was sort of non decision. It was just kind of like, hey,

654
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:03.920
we got tickets, do you want to come? And it's like, great,

655
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.320
let's go. And I thought, you know, if we've.

656
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.679
Kept it, why didn't you ask one of your girlfriends?

657
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.880
Well, I was already going with my two best friends

658
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.440
who may or may not be in the audience right now.

659
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:15.519
They were one of them was already going, and the.

660
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.880
Other one is the one that offered me the ticket, okay, yeah, and.

661
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.840
It just he's the one I wanted to hang out with.

662
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.760
We had a blast together, okay, and we've been keeping

663
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.480
it together, like I could go to work and be normal.

664
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.559
I can go to a concert and be normal until

665
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:33.159
I couldn't obviously, but it was just it seemed like

666
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.159
a fun plan.

667
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.239
Got it? So he said yes, he said, yessly mm hmm.

668
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.400
And this was the.

669
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.760
First time so Pol had done something socially other than

670
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.960
meeting for lunches and discussing business.

671
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:48.760
Raptic drinks after work okay, colleagues and things like okay.

672
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.400
Yeah, so you get to the concert and what happened.

673
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.639
Well, I was walking into the concert and my daughter

674
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.079
messaged me and said, oh, it's so great that you

675
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.519
and Andrew were both at Coldplay. So she let me

676
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.920
know that my estranged husband was also at the concert.

677
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:05.639
So I think it's very important. This is what I

678
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.480
did not know before the story. And y'all can obviously

679
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.480
didn't know either that she was separated from her husband

680
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:20.239
and that her boss was also separated or said he

681
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.400
was separated from his wife.

682
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:28.360
Did y'all know that, Okay, all right, or that or

683
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:33.400
that her husband was there. This is the thing. So

684
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.199
you get texted, you get texted from one of your children.

685
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.840
Yeah, my daughter's like, this is so fun great. I

686
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.119
was like, and in my mind, I thought, well, that's

687
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.360
is this going to be weird if he sees me

688
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.559
with Andy like that, you run into him, Yeah, if

689
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:48.480
I run into him. But then I was like, I'm

690
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.000
Anchelllette Stadium. There's fifty five thousand people here. I'm probably

691
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:53.719
not going to run into him. But it doesn't matter.

692
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:55.400
I mean, so that would have been better at the

693
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:57.760
end of the day, I might just run into him.

694
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.280
But it's you know, he knows. He knows how closely

695
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.119
Andy and I worked together. He knows we social like

696
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:04.639
got lunches and got drinks.

697
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:06.800
It was fine. So he knew that there was a

698
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:07.960
relationship there.

699
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.280
Yes, he just he knows the nature of my work

700
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.320
and the way the really I've shared desks with, the

701
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.079
CEOs I worked with, like, it's just a very close

702
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:14.360
through it.

703
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.239
And so it didn't matter to me. Okay, I got

704
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:17.800
to get to the moment. You got to get there.

705
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:19.760
You all hadn't touched you that's what you said to

706
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.639
us earlier. You hadn't even touched.

707
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.400
Well, we did that evening before we got I mean,

708
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:26.800
we started to touch before it was on camera, but

709
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:27.719
that yeah.

710
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.679
Okay, but that was the first time you all had

711
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.519
physically touched courage others like correct, okay.

712
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.480
Other than like a you know tap, you know, when

713
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.119
you're chatting with someone and you okay, yeah, So what

714
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.599
made you do it? Then? I had a.

715
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.599
Really big crush on him, Oprah, Yeah, and so did he.

716
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:47.280
I mean, we these these were like really incredible feelings.

717
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.159
And I don't know women that could relate to this,

718
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.000
but I had been going through a really tough time.

719
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.920
I was coming out of a separation, and it felt

720
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.119
really good to get attention and affection from an awesome man.

721
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.760
You know, it felt out of key point here that

722
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.679
you shared with me on the Zoom High Noons.

723
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:05.880
I would love to talk about the High News. Yeah,

724
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:07.480
can we can we take a moment?

725
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.599
Look look at Gail going what is that Gail is?

726
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:12.519
Gail has never.

727
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.280
Drank anything other than h I like a good Shirley Tale.

728
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.639
She likes a good Shirley tale. So she just looked

729
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.320
at I saw you look what is a high news.

730
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.000
I want to talk about the high news because that

731
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.280
became a big, big topic.

732
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.400
On the internet for some reason.

733
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.280
I told Lisa Miller in the New York Times article that,

734
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.079
you know, I'd had a couple of high nuons and

735
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.679
we were dancing and we got swept up. All you

736
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:33.920
need it was a couple I only had two.

737
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:35.320
So well, I mean.

738
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.800
Too, that make you feel like Gail used to ask

739
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:40.920
me all the time, I see you getting yourself all

740
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.880
liquored up, what does it do for you? I'm not

741
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.440
getting liquored up, Gail. It's just a vodka tonic. Okay,

742
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.039
So it does make you, Gail. Alcohol makes you feel

743
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:55.639
a little looser, risky, risky, frisky, not even frisky.

744
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.440
It's just it's just a little looser, a little looser.

745
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.159
And my only, yeah, my only point in mentioning it

746
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.000
to Lisa Miller. Had I known, what would have happened that,

747
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.360
you know, because suddenly I'm blaming it on alcohol, and

748
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.559
suddenly none of that is true. I simply mentioned it

749
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.159
to like set the tone of the vibe. Like you're

750
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:13.960
at a concert at summer, a couple of high noons,

751
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.039
you're dancing, You're having fun. Everybody maybe except for you.

752
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:18.840
Gail has done that and knows.

753
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:19.159
What I mean.

754
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.480
Like, it's a good it's just an easy.

755
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.960
Like a fun feeling, and that's that was the vibe

756
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:25.719
that we had and that's why I shared it.

757
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:27.079
And by the way, I think, well, Gail, well, I said,

758
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.280
do you have a lemonade? Yeah? And could you add

759
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.880
a dash your cranberry juice? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So

760
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:35.559
a couple of.

761
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.280
High noons, you're feeling really great and you're at a

762
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.840
concert and you love Coldplay and everything's going well.

763
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.079
It felt really good. Yes.

764
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.480
It also, I should note it felt really anonymous, and

765
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.320
I feel like I need to explain that too, because

766
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.440
it didn't look that way on the video. Where we

767
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.480
were was at the complete opposite end of Gillette Stadium

768
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:56.400
from the stage. We were in an area called I

769
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.480
think it was called the Pavilion, but it's a big

770
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.639
general it's a it's a off area where there's no seats.

771
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:03.760
It's general admission in this section and it holds about

772
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.159
two hundred and fifty people. So we were in that

773
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.400
area and we were kind of up at the front

774
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.840
of the near the railing, but we were with a

775
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:12.719
like with a group and with friends. So we were

776
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:16.199
dancing and talking and it was really dark, and it

777
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:17.280
just we.

778
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:18.079
Got very swept up.

779
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.960
And it didn't feel in any way that we were

780
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.159
risking being And it wasn't even calculated where we thought

781
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.960
to ourselves like, oh, no, one's looking, let's like put

782
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.760
our hands on each other. It wasn't that. It was

783
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:32.639
just it just was a natural. Okay, So let's go

784
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:34.679
to that moment that we have all seen.

785
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:35.639
Have you all seen it?

786
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.159
Okay, let's go to the moment we've all seen. So

787
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:39.280
you're swaying.

788
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:44.840
I don't even remember the song, do you? Yes? What

789
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:45.440
was the song?

790
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:50.360
Yellow? Okay, you're look get that's Gales Yellow.

791
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.440
I used to love Yellow Gale Ye.

792
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.760
So you're swaying to the song and then you suddenly

793
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:02.039
see yourself on the jombatron. You turned around. He okay,

794
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:04.480
so you see yourself. Take us to that moment.

795
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:08.360
Yeah, that was a moment of total horror. Is really

796
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.840
the best way I can describe it. My immediate thought was,

797
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:15.480
oh my god, my husband's in the building. He was

798
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.280
there with someone else, and I knew that, and that

799
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:20.360
is that was great and fine. But he and I

800
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.400
were in the midst of our separation, incredibly amicable, Like

801
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.239
to this day, he's been one of the biggest supporters

802
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.119
of me through all of this. He's an incredible man

803
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.320
and the last thing I wanted to do was embarrass him.

804
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.280
And that was my first thought when I saw myself

805
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:34.920
that in that moment.

806
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.880
Isn't there an instance when you're looking at yourself on

807
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.519
the jumpotron? Because I remember Gail and I had gone

808
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:44.079
to an event, Gail Maria Schwiver and I and for

809
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:49.000
the Pope, and there's Gail on the Remember you saw yourself.

810
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:54.000
You said, who said red haired womans? And Michael said,

811
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:55.000
red haired black woman.

812
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:55.920
That would be you.

813
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.760
And so is there a moment when you say yourself,

814
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.400
Oh my god, that's me.

815
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:06.039
Yes, yeah, Yeah, there was like a split second where

816
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:10.760
it was like almost I mean to me, it's like surreal.

817
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.639
I can't even really remember, but I do remember looking

818
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.360
and being like, oh my god, Like I said worse

819
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.360
than that in my head. But my initial thought was,

820
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.000
oh my god, Andrew's here. And my second thought was,

821
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:24.519
oh my god, I'm in the arms of my boss

822
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:25.320
and I'm the head of.

823
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:26.840
HR, Like this is a really bad look.

824
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.800
Yeah, everybody assumed I was horrified because it meant somehow

825
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.800
I got busted having an affair like that is not

826
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:32.920
what was happening.

827
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:34.280
I felt like those two.

828
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.440
Reasons were big enough for me in that moment to

829
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:37.320
be really horrified.

830
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.199
Did you even hear?

831
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:38.760
No?

832
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:40.280
So I wanted to share that too.

833
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:41.960
So we were all like dancing, and you know, when

834
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:43.639
there's music playing and you're talking, you're kind of whispering

835
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:46.159
in people's ears or yelling in their ears. We were

836
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.679
talking and with my friends too, and we didn't hear

837
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.320
Chris Martin say we're going to pan the audience, like

838
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.320
we never heard him warned that he was doing that,

839
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.800
And we never heard him say they must be shy

840
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.920
or they're having an affair. I had no idea he

841
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.119
said that until like days later or the next day.

842
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:04.519
I don't remember from It was a blur after that night,

843
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.639
but I didn't know that at all. I whipped around

844
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.960
like op if we were at a Celtics game and

845
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:11.960
we got put on the JumboTron, I'm gonna whip around.

846
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.519
I'm not a JumboTron girl, even on my best days.

847
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.280
It's not my thing. So I would have probably done

848
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.320
some version of that. But in that moment, I was

849
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.159
just horrified at and your first thought was and Andrew,

850
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:24.079
your husband, my.

851
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:25.119
Job and job.

852
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.599
Yeah, and irony of the whole thing, or the naivete

853
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.199
of the whole thing is the entire ride home. We

854
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.840
were in an suv group of us. Was all I

855
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:35.719
was worried about was Andrew. I kept saying, maybe he

856
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.000
left early, maybe he didn't see it. That was what

857
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.840
I thought was the biggest problem. I had my hat

858
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:40.159
on my hand.

859
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.639
Why were you worried if you were already separated?

860
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:44.639
Because we were in the middle of going through our

861
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:49.400
divorce planning and it was going really we were doing

862
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:50.480
it in a really amicable way.

863
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:51.599
He was there with somebody.

864
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.960
He was there with somebody, but I didn't. Andrew comes

865
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.880
from an incredibly private family in the Boston area, and

866
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.119
I just knew in my head, like the public embarrassment

867
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:04.400
is not something that would have gone overwhell Okay.

868
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.760
So my first thought was, Andrew, what did you all

869
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:12.719
do immediately afterwards? So you turned around and Andy Byron ducked,

870
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.519
your boss at the time, ducked yes.

871
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.559
And then did you all immediately leave this? Yeah?

872
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:22.440
So he and I left the area, the general admission

873
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.559
area behind that had indoors, had like a bar area

874
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:27.000
and some like tables set up.

875
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.679
Did you leave with your friends or did you know?

876
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.159
He and I left the standing room area, went through

877
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.239
the doors and sat down at one of those tables,

878
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.800
and we're just like, what just happened? Okay, what is

879
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.440
going to what could this? What is going to happen?

880
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:39.039
Or what?

881
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.360
What is what happened? Yeah, I don't know how to explain.

882
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:43.239
And that's when I was like, oh my god, Andrew,

883
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.400
you know, he was going through his head of what

884
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.559
he was worried about. I was thinking about my stuff.

885
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.920
And then it was really towards the end of the concert.

886
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.679
And then about the end of that song, I think

887
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.880
my friends came through the door and they're like, let's

888
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:58.400
just get out of here, and so we all left.

889
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.480
The stadium and what were they thinking?

890
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.400
They were just like, oh my god, I cannot believe

891
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.960
this is like getting struck by lightning? How did this even?

892
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.519
How on earth? And I can't believe that just happened

893
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:10.960
to you. That's like the worst luck. And then we

894
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.760
were in the elevator heading down and a woman in

895
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.119
the elevator was like wait was that you on the JumboTron?

896
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:16.920
And I was like no.

897
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.679
And then my friend Elena looked at me and was like,

898
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:21.559
is that what we're saying?

899
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:22.880
I like, are we we're saying?

900
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:22.960
No?

901
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:23.679
That wasn't you?

902
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:23.880
Like?

903
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:26.360
What? We should we huddle up on this like, but

904
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:28.519
we just didn't know what We had no concept that

905
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:29.079
this was okay.

906
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.519
So you were worried about your your husband who you

907
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.119
were separating from, yes, and the woman that he's there.

908
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:38.480
I wasn't really worried about that. I mean I was

909
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:40.440
just so I didn't want to embarrass him, and I didn't.

910
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:41.280
Wanted about your husband.

911
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:45.199
He worried about your husband that you are now separated from.

912
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.159
Was he worried about anything? No? You mean do you

913
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:51.679
mean Andy Andy Andy Byron?

914
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:52.000
Oh?

915
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.840
Yes? What did he say? He was worried about it?

916
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.239
I mean, I don't want to speak for him, but

917
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.239
I think, you know, we live in that area. I

918
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.639
think you know, he's going through his own separation and divorce.

919
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.679
I think he's not looking to a measure of boss.

920
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.039
That was the other big I mean, it's really not

921
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.440
It's really bad in our roles to have been caught

922
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:10.039
in that posession.

923
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:12.280
Yeah, Yeah, and that was you know, we do live

924
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:12.719
in the area.

925
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:14.880
The company was based in New York, but we've both

926
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.119
had twenty five or so thirty years in our career

927
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:18.559
in that area.

928
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:20.360
And the one thing I want to share with you

929
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.079
all when I had I had only one other conversation

930
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:28.159
with Kristen on zoom prior to this interview, a couple

931
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:31.440
of months ago. Yeah, and the one thing that I

932
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.079
appreciated in that conversation, which you can share here, is

933
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.159
that you kept saying I made a mistake. It was

934
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.280
a mistake. I shouldn't have been out with my boss.

935
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:45.400
But it wasn't a mistake that I deserved to die for.

936
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.559
It wasn't a mistake that I deserved to have people

937
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.000
coming up to me on the street and saying I

938
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.480
should die because of it. It wasn't a mistake that

939
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.920
deserved people threatening me and threatening my children. It was

940
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:00.599
a mistake. So that's what you told me. Do you

941
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.760
still feel that it was a mistake.

942
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.320
Absolutely, And I've been telling anyone that will listen. You know,

943
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:10.000
I own the poor decision that I made in that moment,

944
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.440
and I've paid a unimaginable price for that.

945
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.800
Yeah. I also you know. That was why I chose

946
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:18.280
to leave my job.

947
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:21.480
Because I think I put the company in a position,

948
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.760
given how viral and toxic, this became a position you

949
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:25.280
can't come back.

950
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:28.039
Okay, So let's go back to it. YEA, just walk

951
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.119
us through it. You all leave, You're like, what just happens?

952
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:32.519
And then what happened?

953
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:35.920
So we all piled into a suv. We had all

954
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.159
ridden together, and there were six of us, and I mean,

955
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.320
it was a pretty tense car ride home, but it

956
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.719
was I was hand ringing over Andrewsy. It was just

957
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.599
a ridiculous looking at it now. What I was most

958
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.679
worried about. Andy was pretty quiet in the car. Yeah,

959
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:56.159
and our friends nobody nobody thought it was like, oh

960
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.840
that was such bad luck. Like hopefully no one really

961
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.320
saw it. Okay, so tell everybody.

962
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.119
You get home and you're thinking, we're going to tell

963
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:05.400
the board tomorrow.

964
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.840
You're going to go to the board and tell them. Yes,

965
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.000
so you all come. Didn't you come up with them

966
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:11.639
my apartment? Yes? Andy did?

967
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:15.440
Yes, And we were like, we have to come up

968
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.239
with the state. We have to talk to the board immediately.

969
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:18.599
Yeah, did you come up with a statement.

970
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:19.159
No.

971
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:22.519
We drafted an email together to send the board from

972
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.480
both of us to say we need to speak very

973
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.599
first thing in the morning. Most of our board, actually

974
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:28.679
all all but one run on the West Coast, so

975
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.000
we wanted to make sure they will.

976
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:33.639
Draft it an email to send to the board. That's right,

977
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:35.840
And then you go home and you.

978
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:41.760
Go to sleep, go to sleep again, not really thinking yeah,

979
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:43.559
And in the middle of the night, in the middle

980
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:47.679
of the night, I got a message from Andrew, my husband,

981
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:49.360
I feel like I need to keep qualifying because they're

982
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.639
this thing. And he sent me a text with a

983
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.679
snapshot of a TikTok of the TikTok video and said

984
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.199
you need to Basically, I don't remember the exact words,

985
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.239
but it was like, there's a like Houston, we have

986
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.960
a problem here, you know. And he really wanted to

987
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.119
get to me so I could get to my kids

988
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.199
before they who were teenagers, before they woke up and

989
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:09.480
got on their phones and saw it.

990
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.440
Right, So your teenagers or not his children? Correct, yes,

991
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:16.320
but your children have a great relationship with him. Incredible, Yeah,

992
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.199
because you all had been married how many years, oh,

993
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:19.239
less than two years.

994
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.960
We met during COVID and he immediately built an incredible

995
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:26.639
bomb of my kids and they're they're very close still today.

996
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.880
Okay, so how did you find out that the video

997
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:33.840
had blown up the internet.

998
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.320
I'm trying to remember. It's like such a while. That

999
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:41.000
next day was so hard. So when Andrew calls you

1000
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:43.559
and says, we have there's like this is happening on TikTok,

1001
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.480
I'm not on any of those apps, so I didn't

1002
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:45.800
see it.

1003
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:47.719
I couldn't see it personally. I had no sense for it.

1004
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.800
Initially, personally, I don't I've never had TikTok or anything

1005
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:53.599
like that. But he let me know, you didn't know

1006
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:55.639
what it was. Yeah, and then in the morning, by

1007
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:57.320
seven or eight am.

1008
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.039
If you all imagine this, can you imagine it?

1009
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.719
Just my phone started, you know, a lot of phone

1010
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.639
calls started coming in from front of my friends. All

1011
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:07.760
my close friends were just like, you know, this is

1012
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:11.320
something's going on here, and I can't I wish I

1013
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:13.599
could remember how long it took from being kind of

1014
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:16.280
a problem to like realizing it was.

1015
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:20.000
No need to hit sind to the board. Yeah, well

1016
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:21.599
we did. We did have a call with the.

1017
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.079
Board immediately, and they had already heard about it at

1018
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:29.000
that point, but we had they were they were actually

1019
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.760
really understanding, and we had a really good conversation about it,

1020
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.400
and they were very he resigned.

1021
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:36.599
He hadn't resigned yet. He did that a few days later.

1022
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:41.320
And then did they offer you they wanted you to stay? Yes, Yes,

1023
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.599
they wanted you to stay. Yes, they are going to stay. Well,

1024
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.320
that's the problem. I mean, that was the conversation I

1025
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:46.920
had with them.

1026
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.599
Had it not gone so viral and gotten so toxic,

1027
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:51.400
I would have gone back in and taken the punch

1028
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:53.639
and stood up in front of the company and said,

1029
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:55.199
I'm you know, I'm a human. I made a really

1030
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:57.840
poor choice, but we're building something incredible. I'm like, let's

1031
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.400
get back to it and hope that they would be

1032
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.880
okay with that. But I had that was not an option.

1033
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:06.599
I did not feel like I could go in and say, hey,

1034
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.639
everybody like, do as I say, but not as I do.

1035
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.440
And I felt like that it would put everybody in

1036
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:13.679
such a bad situation and it just wasn't fair to

1037
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.320
the employees. I appreciated that the board was behind me,

1038
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.599
and I appreciated they did go through an HR investigation

1039
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:24.159
and it yielded nothing, and I appreciated that at least

1040
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:29.199
internally there. I got that's support, but it wasn't viable.

1041
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:31.920
It wasn't fair to ask the employees of it. So

1042
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.239
why do you think that this went off like a

1043
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.960
like a bomb? Was it Chris Martin's comment in that

1044
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.599
moment that maybe you were having an affair?

1045
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:44.800
Was it the fact that Andy Byron duck or that

1046
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.920
you turned around? Was it that he was the CEO

1047
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:50.159
and you're the head of HR?

1048
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.480
What is it? I think it was a I've thought

1049
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:53.159
a lot about that.

1050
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.840
I think it was a whole combination of was a company,

1051
00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.440
of all of those things I felt in the in

1052
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.239
the initial moments. I'm sure it was funny to people.

1053
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:04.039
You know, I can appreciate that. I've certainly seen funny

1054
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:06.360
things online and forwarded them around and clicked on them.

1055
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.719
I just don't think people think people really stop and

1056
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.440
think about there's real humans behind the real life there,

1057
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.639
and it is incredibly.

1058
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:16.199
Destructive.

1059
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:19.960
And I you know, listen, I've seen funny things in

1060
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:21.760
Center around two, probably not giving it a ton of

1061
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.599
thought before this happened. I'm very thinking, very differently now

1062
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:27.360
than I was. But I think people thought it was funny.

1063
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.880
I think our world is you know, news is a

1064
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.760
really sad thing to watch. I think we're constantly inundated

1065
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:34.239
with bad news.

1066
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.079
I've heard some people say that that video, seen three

1067
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:42.679
hundred billion times by only eight billion people on the planet,

1068
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.039
was the thing that united people, that people were united

1069
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:52.320
in their judgment, and I feel bad for us as

1070
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:54.280
human beings that that's what we did to you.

1071
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:54.960
Thank you.

1072
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.960
We were all united in the judgment of whatever it

1073
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.159
is you were doing, you shouldn't have been doing it,

1074
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:05.400
and we could all actually agree on that without knowing

1075
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:08.559
the story behind the story. And I heard that there

1076
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:11.679
were people that advise you that everything would blow over

1077
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:12.400
in three days.

1078
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:13.159
Who they He'll tell you?

1079
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:13.360
Yeh.

1080
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.199
I wish I could say, because you'd all be shocked.

1081
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.840
But it's a very prominent person in public relations that

1082
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.679
I spoke to that said to me, you have triggered

1083
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:26.559
such an avalanche of hate for whatever reason, that people

1084
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:28.000
are not going to be open to hearing from you

1085
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:28.400
right now.

1086
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:29.800
They're not going to believe what you say.

1087
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:32.480
Your best bet is to stay quiet, keep your head down,

1088
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:34.880
and then let some time pass and then speak up.

1089
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.239
And this is not my world.

1090
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.400
I don't know, and I really believed what she said,

1091
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.800
and I guess it makes sense. I could tell that

1092
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.320
there was so much hate. I thought, maybe this, maybe

1093
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:44.880
that is better.

1094
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:46.679
Why do you think there was so much hate?

1095
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.159
That's been one of the hardest things for me to

1096
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:54.039
reconcile because none of the nobody knows me, nobody that

1097
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:55.280
judged this knows me.

1098
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.039
So it wasn't me, you know, it was I think

1099
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:03.159
it was. Listen.

1100
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:05.800
I think a lot of people have had not great

1101
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:07.840
interactions with HR. I think there's some piece of it

1102
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:09.880
that's like stick it to the HR lady. I get it.

1103
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:11.760
That's kind of funny.

1104
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.960
I think, you know, it was incredibly cliche on every level,

1105
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:18.159
like the CEO and the chief people officer, and I think,

1106
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.639
you know, I don't know.

1107
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:28.119
I just think people hurt. People hurt people, and I think, well,

1108
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.320
there's a lot of hurt people three hundred billion times.

1109
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:31.360
So The New York.

1110
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:35.440
Times wrote that she's been called the quote. She's been

1111
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:41.079
called a slut, a homewrecker, a gold digger.

1112
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:41.960
A side piece.

1113
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:46.159
The usual tags for shaming women is what Lisa Miller wrote.

1114
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.519
And you told me that you believe that women are

1115
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:54.000
apt to quote each other alive, and that most of

1116
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:57.320
your criticism has actually come from other women, that other

1117
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.960
women are the only ones who dare to come up

1118
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:03.239
to your face and say horrible things, right, yeah, that's right.

1119
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.039
That was for me, I think, one of other than

1120
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.880
obviously my concern for what my kids experienced. That was

1121
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:11.639
to me, the most upsetting piece of all of this

1122
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:14.599
was I had no idea how.

1123
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:20.400
Unwell we are as a gender. Still. I think I

1124
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.639
was living in a really lovely naive bubble.

1125
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.760
In some ways where I have surrounded myself with and

1126
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:30.079
am so fortunate to be surrounded by incredible women that

1127
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.239
support have supported me, you know, through thick and thin.

1128
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.360
I do the same for them, and I don't know

1129
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:39.159
women that tear each other down. That's not been my

1130
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:42.280
own experience, and it worked like I've been really intentional

1131
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.320
about the women that work with and for me, like

1132
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:47.360
bringing them along in their career, giving opportunity, mentoring and

1133
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:51.400
helping them. It's just not It was just such a

1134
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:53.480
shock to me. I think I was told that ninety

1135
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.840
percent of the online comments and hate came from women.

1136
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.719
Every single interaction I had in person, and there were

1137
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:00.800
many or all women, you know.

1138
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:03.480
Since we had our conversation, I was thinking about this,

1139
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.320
And I say this, you know, not just because Gail

1140
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:11.159
is here, but it's pretty publicly known that Gail went

1141
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.440
through a divorce and her husband had an affair. And

1142
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.239
Gail always says that there's a lot of members of

1143
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:20.119
that club. There's a lot of women who are a

1144
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:26.440
part of that club of who with partners who betrayed

1145
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:30.320
them with other women. And I think that for a

1146
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.760
lot of women, you became the face of that. Do

1147
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:36.760
you all think that that you became the face of

1148
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:38.840
the woman who took my husband, the woman who would

1149
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.719
take my husband, the woman who that's where the hate

1150
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.960
created from. And I also think that if you look differently,

1151
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:49.079
you would have probably had another outcome. You know, I

1152
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:53.280
think you are the blonde ideal, the girl next door,

1153
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:54.320
all of that.

1154
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:55.920
Am I am? I being truthful here?

1155
01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.320
What I think it's I think it's the whole package.

1156
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:00.760
It's not one thing, it's everything.

1157
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.280
I do think there was something people attached to me

1158
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.320
that triggered things within themselves. I don't think you know

1159
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:07.920
now that I say, I don't think they don't know me.

1160
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.159
It can't really be me, but it's something I represent

1161
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:14.079
And I yeah, I think that you know, I think

1162
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:16.280
about my own triggers and things that are like unhealed

1163
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:18.159
inside of me. I try to think of, like what's

1164
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:20.159
what makes me feel a certain way or what it's

1165
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.800
my own fears that are that are not quite healed

1166
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:23.519
I think when I.

1167
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:26.280
So, the question is, did he get the same kind

1168
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:29.519
of vitual Andy Byron, your boss? Did people were people

1169
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:35.280
coming up to him? But no, not at all, attacking him,

1170
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.880
attacking his children? No, yeah, And I mean just.

1171
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:42.400
Thinking about you know, starting from the very beginning, I

1172
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.119
was every single part of my physical appearance was picked apart.

1173
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.000
There were stories written about jewelry I was wearing and

1174
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:50.519
who bought it for me and how much it cost.

1175
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:52.360
When one of my best friends is a jewelry designer

1176
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:53.280
and I've bought everything for.

1177
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:55.119
Myself that she made me.

1178
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:58.079
And it's you know, my hairdresser somebody found and that

1179
01:01:58.119 --> 01:01:59.920
turned into a whole thing where she was dragged forgive

1180
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:03.880
me crappy root of crappy highlights and she got lit

1181
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:06.239
up for that and just everything about how I look,

1182
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.360
to how I was dressed, to how I behaved, to

1183
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:10.760
you know, the sleeping my way to the top, to

1184
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:12.519
the gold digger to this you know all the words

1185
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.320
that Lisa used, the husband's stealer, which, by the way,

1186
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.199
that expression really bugs me. And I'm not trying to

1187
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:21.280
make light obviously of adultery. It's it's not that, but

1188
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:23.760
this notion of women's stealing men like I would walk

1189
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:25.920
in and duct tape and zip tie a guy and

1190
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.559
like unwittingly drag him out and steal like the man

1191
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:30.920
has no role in this. This is you know, and

1192
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.440
for me, like I was the face of all of this.

1193
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:36.119
There was no one talking about Andy's hair, shirt watch,

1194
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.280
there was no one questioning I mean, maybe anyone here

1195
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:39.760
can correct me.

1196
01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:40.840
I never read or heard.

1197
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:43.760
Anything about Wow, did he become a CEO by sleeping

1198
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.880
his way to the top. No, And that's all anyone

1199
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.119
would say about me. It was unfathomable that I might

1200
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:52.239
have achieved and worked and hustled and built a career

1201
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:53.239
I'm incredibly proud of.

1202
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:54.280
That was not on the table.

1203
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:56.960
Your best friend I heard told you that these people

1204
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.000
hated you before they even knew anything about you.

1205
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:03.320
Uh, do you think that's true? What do you think

1206
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:03.599
that is?

1207
01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:03.880
Yeah?

1208
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.599
I think that's what you touched on a few minutes ago.

1209
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.559
I think it's I've represented something for people that they

1210
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:11.079
were afraid of in that moment, and I can have

1211
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:13.480
empathy for that. I think if you're going to snap

1212
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:17.360
to a judgment, you're gonna have I don't have empathy

1213
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.599
for people snapping to a quick judgment and just assuming

1214
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.960
and using zero critical thinking skills. But I do have

1215
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:26.079
empathy or I do have understanding for why that would

1216
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:26.960
trigger people.

1217
01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:29.559
So I'm trying to cause.

1218
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.599
You look like you look no, because I think you

1219
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:35.159
know I'm The way the story was narrated for me

1220
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:37.719
without my input was I'm, you know, having an affair

1221
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:39.639
with my boss and we're running around and we're on

1222
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:42.159
the company credit card buying to It's probably what a

1223
01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:44.000
lot of women worry about when their husbands are out

1224
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:44.280
on there.

1225
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:46.239
You know, I get that. I can understand that.

1226
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:49.599
Yeah, so you share custody of your your two children

1227
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.599
with your first husband, and how has this impacted your children?

1228
01:03:56.159 --> 01:04:00.239
That's the this is the tough one. It's it was

1229
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:01.559
a nightmare. How old are your kids.

1230
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:04.800
They're almost fifteen and almost seventeen, so they're at an

1231
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.440
age where everything you know, they were fourteen and sixteen

1232
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.239
when this seteen and sixteen.

1233
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.760
We're still in it. They're really they're doing really well.

1234
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.519
And altially thought the place she went someplace, You went

1235
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.039
someplace and your daughter said, Mom, can we just leave?

1236
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:20.320
Because yeah, we.

1237
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.519
Were at the local pool. This was a few weeks

1238
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:25.280
after I decided. It was probably in later August, when

1239
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:28.039
I felt like safe. I tried to going out, you know,

1240
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.000
trying to go out. My daughter and I went to

1241
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:34.159
the pool, big hack, glasses, all the things, and a

1242
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:37.000
woman at the pool started taking our picture in a

1243
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:41.920
really not subtle way, and my daughter just she just

1244
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:43.440
lost it. She's like, we need to just leave. And

1245
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:46.039
I was like, I'm so sorry. And I didn't, you know,

1246
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:48.320
I was not in a position. That's funny, the version

1247
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:49.920
of me before this concert, I would have marched right

1248
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:51.079
up to her and grab her. I mean, I'm not

1249
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.880
a shrinking violet. But I became, you know, a very

1250
01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:58.719
a different version of myself, and I just we packed

1251
01:04:58.760 --> 01:04:59.199
up and left.

1252
01:04:59.239 --> 01:04:59.280
You.

1253
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.719
I think they you were taking on the guilt and

1254
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:05.000
shame that other people were trying to put on you.

1255
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:11.599
Yes and no, I felt tremendous guilt for the effect

1256
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:13.679
it was having on my family, and I felt responsible

1257
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:14.039
for that.

1258
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:15.000
But I did not.

1259
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:17.679
I knew what really happened, and I didn't feel shame

1260
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:22.079
for something I didn't do. I wasn't questioning. I knew

1261
01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:23.880
the mistake I made. I was really clear on what

1262
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.000
that was. But I was also really clear that it

1263
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.239
doesn't deserve the treatment that I got. It doesn't deserve,

1264
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:33.199
you know, being made to feel that you should die.

1265
01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:39.480
Can you share with us what those first hours, days,

1266
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.760
and then weeks were, Like, I mean, how.

1267
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:43.239
Low did you go? I?

1268
01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:50.199
I mean, yeah, it was dark. The first weekend after

1269
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.280
the concert, I rented an airbnb and went up to

1270
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.239
the mountains in New Hampshire with my dog, thinking I

1271
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:58.039
was just going to let it blow over and come back.

1272
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:01.159
I really didn't understand because I off all access to

1273
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.840
the internet and social media and everything I did. I

1274
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.480
went away thinking, oh, it was sort of like the

1275
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:08.519
beginning of COVID, when you're like, we'll close the office

1276
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:10.079
for the week and we'll see in a week and

1277
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:12.320
then you're like, see you in two years. It was

1278
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:13.920
sort of like that. I thought I'll just go and

1279
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.000
disappear for the weekend. But when I came back do

1280
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:17.880
a self care.

1281
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:18.199
Day, I did.

1282
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.159
Yeah, it was like I'm just gonna regroup and relax

1283
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.719
and not thought it would blow over in a few days,

1284
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.719
as you had been told, as I've been told. Yes,

1285
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:29.760
that definitely didn't happen. But I came back to my

1286
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:32.840
house that had was a place that was really like

1287
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:36.280
my safe space, as your home typically is, and it

1288
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:40.119
became a place that was as unsafe as any place

1289
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.159
could be because a local radio station gave out my

1290
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:47.639
address on the air, and for whatever reason, the whole

1291
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:49.880
world has access to my phone number, and I guess

1292
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:50.719
that I don't know.

1293
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:51.440
How people do that.

1294
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:55.360
But so from that day I returned, there was well,

1295
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:56.920
there was paparazzi there for weeks.

1296
01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:57.679
They wouldn't leave.

1297
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:02.000
There was I had people trespassing and looking in my windows.

1298
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:04.559
We had people doing drive bys and yelling and honking.

1299
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:09.360
We had with your children home, Yes, with my children home.

1300
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:13.400
My phone was ringing around the clock and just vile

1301
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.800
text messages and voicemails. That's probably a couple of days

1302
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:18.679
in when the death threats started. But they were also

1303
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:23.599
just perverse, disgusting messages. I've I got emails constantly.

1304
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:25.079
Were you afraid?

1305
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:25.639
Yeah?

1306
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:27.880
I was really I was terrified, And your children were

1307
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.960
really scared because your children overheard you speaking to your mom.

1308
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:33.039
They did, and they heard one of the death threats.

1309
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:37.800
My kids asked me not to spend too much time

1310
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:42.559
talking about them today, but I'm there's I'm comfortable talking

1311
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:44.239
about portions of it, and that's one of them.

1312
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.119
They were terrified for me.

1313
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:48.880
They're really protective of me, but they were also really

1314
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:51.960
scared for what this meant for all of us. We're

1315
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:53.880
not used to having we're really private, like when you were.

1316
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:56.519
Kids are hearing that you were getting death threats. Kids

1317
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.519
think we're going to lose our mom.

1318
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:02.239
H m hm, that's what Yeah, that's exactly what happened.

1319
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:04.440
Then we're going to lose our mom. Yeah, then they

1320
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:05.840
have to now be afraid for you.

1321
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:07.159
That's right. Yeah, that's right.

1322
01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:09.480
And you know, I've been a single mom for a

1323
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:13.119
while and they i think already lean into taking care

1324
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:14.280
of me more than I'd like them to do.

1325
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:14.880
With their age.

1326
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.079
I've got it, you know, until I'm good. But they've

1327
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:22.800
always been they're really like sweet and I don't know,

1328
01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.359
empathic people, so they really like they're always kind of

1329
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:27.119
keeping an eye and making sure I'm okay.

1330
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:28.840
So this kind of elevated all of that.

1331
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.560
You know, in all this, I mean every I think

1332
01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.399
a lot of people at this point have experienced online

1333
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:38.920
vitriol or people saying horrible things. And sometimes there's something

1334
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:44.159
that just is said and it just it cuts you. Yeah,

1335
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:47.520
especially if it's untrue. Did you have one of those

1336
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.319
moments where something was said and it just like brought

1337
01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:52.119
you to your knees or you made you not want

1338
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:52.680
to get out of.

1339
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:55.520
Bed or yeah it was And there's actually a few,

1340
01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:58.079
but the one that just came to mind first was

1341
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:00.319
was the peace around sleeping my way to the top

1342
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.720
at work I've spent I've worked in advertising and technology,

1343
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:06.560
which are really male dominated industries, and I've spent my

1344
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:10.079
entire career fighting against the stereotype of you know, I

1345
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.439
must be sleeping with someone or you know, there's and

1346
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:16.760
I've been so intentional about how I moved through my

1347
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.680
work life. I've never been involved with anyone I've worked

1348
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:20.279
with before.

1349
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:22.239
I've been working since I.

1350
01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:24.680
Was thirteen, and you know, my mom had us out

1351
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:29.680
really legally working early on, and I never stopped. And

1352
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:32.039
my career was my identity, for better or worse. And

1353
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:33.560
this has been a wake up call around that, but

1354
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:35.880
that was my I had tremendous pride in what I

1355
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:38.800
had built. I love what I do, and for that

1356
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:42.279
to be a whole, entire narrative you're written that takes

1357
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:46.880
that away from me felt it just gutted me in

1358
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.399
a way that I can't explain. So it was really

1359
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:52.600
that one, I think, you know, obviously, being called all

1360
01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:56.720
these horrible names is it hurts. I have a friend

1361
01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:59.960
that said to me recently, like, why would you take

1362
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:04.520
criticism from people you would not take advice from? And

1363
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:09.000
that really hit home for me, and I thought about

1364
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:10.039
it him, like, it's a great point.

1365
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:11.640
I don't but I did. It's a great point, but

1366
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:13.079
when you're in the middle of it, it's hard to

1367
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:13.840
figure that's right.

1368
01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:16.119
Yeah, And it hurts, like you know, and it's easy

1369
01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.760
to say, oh, ignore the trolls or but it's really hard,

1370
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:21.239
you know. I mean, it's really hard to ignore that.

1371
01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:22.840
And it gets really personal.

1372
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.000
Yeah, did you have family that were there for you? Yeah?

1373
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.920
My family's incredible And I just you asked earlier, like

1374
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.520
how load did it get? And I do need to

1375
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:35.279
say that if I didn't have the family that I

1376
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:37.479
have and the friends that just wrapped a big, warm

1377
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:39.880
blanket around me, Like, I don't know that I would

1378
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:41.479
have made it through this. And had I been the

1379
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:43.199
twenty five year old version of myself, I would not

1380
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:43.680
be sitting here.

1381
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:47.600
Yeah, there's no way. Yeah, it was really horrific.

1382
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:49.199
Because yeah, when you hear the number, I think it

1383
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:51.520
was you who told me that, three hundred billion. When

1384
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:54.119
you hear them three hundred how is that way?

1385
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:57.359
That doesn't include social media, that's just the internet. How

1386
01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:58.880
wild did it get on I don't know how wild

1387
01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:00.720
it got on social but I think it was wilder

1388
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.760
than just like the you know, different tabloid websites, But

1389
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:05.800
that three inder billion is on the websites alone.

1390
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:11.239
Yeah, that's really disturbing. And so how did you get

1391
01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:13.960
your children through it? When you're when your children when

1392
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:18.119
you become the meme and everybody knows it's your mom?

1393
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:20.520
Yeah, how did you? How did you get them through there?

1394
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:21.039
It was tough.

1395
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:23.319
I mean we we had a lot of conversation in

1396
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.000
the beginning though, I mean I was I was not

1397
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:28.920
momming to the best of my abilities.

1398
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:32.199
It was I was pretty broken down. We had for

1399
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:32.720
better worse.

1400
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:34.399
We had a lot of family visiting last summer, I

1401
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:35.920
had a lot of people staying at my house, my

1402
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:38.039
brother and his family and a.

1403
01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.880
Lot of guests. So I tried to kind of pivot

1404
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:40.439
to just like.

1405
01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:44.439
Life as usual as best I could after maybe the

1406
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.399
first month, and we tried to just get back to it,

1407
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:48.600
like go to the beach.

1408
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:49.960
Like try to do some normal things.

1409
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:54.079
It was hard because people were not trying to come

1410
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:55.840
up to me in front of my kids. And I

1411
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:59.239
had a group of women that I was at my

1412
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:01.439
son's works. It works at a surf shop at the

1413
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:03.399
beach near a house, and a group of women surrounded

1414
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.479
my car and in front of my son and started to,

1415
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:10.399
you know, harass me verbally and kind of make it

1416
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:12.840
hard for me to move my car away from where

1417
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:13.239
they were.

1418
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.800
And it was it was hard to explain that to

1419
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:19.279
my kids.

1420
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:20.920
You know, they were they were really lucky to have

1421
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:23.319
their peers show up for them in a really supportive way,

1422
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:25.800
but they were struck by how horrific grown ups were acting.

1423
01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:27.880
And that's a really hard thing for me to explain

1424
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:31.800
to kids that, you know, why, because I didn't.

1425
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:34.800
Even do they even understand why? Yeah, because how do

1426
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:37.119
you explain to them why the people are hating you so.

1427
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:39.159
Much, right, I tried to explain to them kind of

1428
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:41.439
what you described, like, I think I'm representative of something

1429
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:43.239
that touches it a lot of fear in people I

1430
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:45.159
don't and I didn't know, you know, I was trying

1431
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:47.880
to figure it out myself, and I wish I could

1432
01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:50.880
have showed up for them in better ways than I did,

1433
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.800
But I did the best I could do, and in

1434
01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:56.039
those moments it was really hard. Going back to school

1435
01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:58.319
for them was really hard. They didn't want me on

1436
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:03.159
their campuses for the first semester or trimester, so I missed,

1437
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:04.600
you know. I didn't go to games, I didn't go

1438
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:07.199
to parent conferences. I couldn't go to parents' weekend at

1439
01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:10.319
my son's school. But the schools were wonderful. I worked

1440
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:12.359
with them closely to make sure the kids were supported,

1441
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:14.520
and like I said, their friends were great.

1442
01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:17.079
Do you still talk to Andy Byron, your former boss?

1443
01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:18.039
No?

1444
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:23.960
I ended communication with Andy in midfall. There was a

1445
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:27.000
big miss on honesty and integrity.

1446
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:28.960
I don't. He didn't.

1447
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:31.840
He wasn't the person he represented himself to be to me,

1448
01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:34.000
and lying is not a non.

1449
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:35.640
Negotiable for me. What does that mean? Actually?

1450
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:38.439
It means, I don't you know, there was he missed

1451
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:40.199
the mark on being as honest as he could have

1452
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.720
been with me. And at the end of the day, Oprah,

1453
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:44.560
like I was the one left to tell.

1454
01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:47.279
He wasn't separating, because what you're implying to me, what

1455
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:49.680
I'm hearing, is that he really wasn't separated.

1456
01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:51.840
Is that what you're trying to say.

1457
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:54.880
I want to be really careful because the world spoke

1458
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:56.600
for me and on my behalf, and I don't want

1459
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:57.920
to do that to somebody else in their family. I

1460
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.800
don't feel comfortable, but I will say like a lot

1461
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:03.119
of what was represented to me was not true. Okay,

1462
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:06.000
I also want to say that being left.

1463
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:08.960
But will you verify again, as you said to us earlier,

1464
01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:12.199
that he had told you when you told him you

1465
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:15.359
were separated, he had said to you, he's going through.

1466
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:18.000
The city unequivocally, okay, unequivocally.

1467
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.760
So you believed when you were standing with him at

1468
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:23.680
the cold Play concert that he was.

1469
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.880
Such absolutely zero doubt, zero doubt.

1470
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:32.319
But I was left holding the bag, and I don't

1471
01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:36.199
you know, being the one that was attacked for this

1472
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.439
with you know, he's remained silent to me that's not

1473
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:41.640
a quality that I would look for in a friend

1474
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:43.119
or a partner or a boss.

1475
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.039
So we have no relationship. What what would you have

1476
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:47.560
wanted him to do or say?

1477
01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:50.960
I mean, the entire trajectory of this would have changed

1478
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:53.039
if he would have just made a quick statement to say,

1479
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:54.800
my wife and I were separated at the time of

1480
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.920
the concert, just like my husband did.

1481
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:01.159
But it didn't matter when.

1482
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:03.119
It was great that Andrew did that, but it also

1483
01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:05.359
I was still left with you know, the tone changel.

1484
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:07.319
But okay, so she was separated, but he wasn't, So

1485
01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:08.279
she's still a homewrecker.

1486
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:14.680
Okay. One moment, and it's one moment, and one.

1487
01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:18.880
Split second decision can change the trajectory of anybody's life.

1488
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:24.800
Why do you know I'm always whenever something particularly this big, happens,

1489
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:27.279
I say, what are you trying to teach me?

1490
01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:27.600
God?

1491
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.640
I know you didn't have to use this bigger lesson? Yeah,

1492
01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:33.640
I could have gotten with something smaller.

1493
01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:37.920
Have you looked at this in the bigger picture of

1494
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:40.279
your life? Why did this show up in your life

1495
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:42.600
this way? And what is it here to teach you? Yeah?

1496
01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:45.479
I mean that's the million dollar question I think about

1497
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:49.439
that every single day. And I do believe like I

1498
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:51.520
got knocked off my course for a reason, like some

1499
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:55.880
there's something to learn here, and there's bits and pieces

1500
01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:59.319
that are coming into the light. For me, I'm really

1501
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:03.840
understanding and I had no concept of this, how when

1502
01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:08.439
something goes this viral, how the technology companies are benefiting

1503
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:11.279
from this, and how we don't know that when we're

1504
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:14.680
forwarding and liking and clicking, we are putting billions of

1505
01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:17.399
dollars in their pockets, just creating an algorithm and creating

1506
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:21.680
an algorithm that feeds it. And the more pain someone

1507
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:23.520
like me is in, the more money they're going to make,

1508
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:25.960
and it fuels it and feeds it. And I think

1509
01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:29.640
there's accountability there that needs to be looked at. I

1510
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:33.279
think I'm heartbroken at how women are treating other women

1511
01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:36.319
like I want to One thing I don't know the

1512
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:38.880
answer to yet, but is like, how can my experience

1513
01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:42.079
turn into something positive to keep that conversation alive and

1514
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:43.760
try to figure out like why are we doing this

1515
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.840
to each other? We're so much stronger together. Why are

1516
01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:51.279
we eating each other alive? Yeah, and holding each other back?

1517
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:53.399
And why do we take such joy and seeing other

1518
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:54.119
people suffer.

1519
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:55.560
Yeah, it's really scary.

1520
01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:57.720
It's so interesting once you've been through something like this,

1521
01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:00.920
when you see somebody else going through it, it creates

1522
01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:04.000
an empaththetic moment for you to want to reach out

1523
01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:05.680
and say, I know what that's like, or.

1524
01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:08.079
It's right, Yeah, that's right. I did that. I reached

1525
01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:10.039
out to a family. There was a girl who was

1526
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:11.199
I don't know if you heard about this. She was

1527
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:15.159
four years old receiving zillions of death threats because she

1528
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.479
was helping her dad, who's a radio personally pick out

1529
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:20.800
football teams and she started to miss the mark on

1530
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:23.119
the choices and people started threatening her life because she

1531
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:25.600
was screwing up their gambling publicly.

1532
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:27.359
They were threatening this four year old girl.

1533
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:31.319
And I reached out to her family and they were lovely,

1534
01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.079
and I mean, it's so scary what they're going through.

1535
01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:36.039
I mean, it's just it's happening all the time.

1536
01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:40.399
It's also my producer said that what Darrel Hannah recently

1537
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:43.199
released a statement about what was going on in the

1538
01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:45.520
Kennedy love story.

1539
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:47.520
That's right, yeah, and I actually brought I wanted to

1540
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:49.039
share a quote if I could from that. I don't

1541
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:51.039
if anyone has if you haven't read her essay in

1542
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:53.399
New York Times this past week. It's a beautifully written piece,

1543
01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:56.920
but it struck me deeply. And there was a part

1544
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.680
where she talks about how Jackie Nasis used to say

1545
01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:02.039
to her, like, there's gonna be horrible things in the news.

1546
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:04.520
It's gonna, you know, star Rohannah was dating, was dating

1547
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:07.840
John F. Kennedy Junior, and Jackie O said, you're gonna

1548
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:09.760
people are gonna write horrible things about you, but don't

1549
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:11.960
worry about it. It'll be lining a bird cage tomorrow

1550
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:13.720
and people will, you know, the newspapers will be lining

1551
01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:14.319
bird cages.

1552
01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:14.880
Don't worry.

1553
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:18.039
And she wrote, and I quote this was from on

1554
01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:20.960
the sixth of March. In the digital age, stories do

1555
01:18:21.079 --> 01:18:24.079
not disappear. Yesterday's news is not tossed out with the

1556
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:30.159
morning paper, and lies live online forever. They are archived, streamed, clipped, memed,

1557
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:34.680
and resurfaced endlessly. A dramatized portrayal can become, for millions

1558
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:37.119
of viewers, the definitive version of a real person's life.

1559
01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:38.319
They think that that's history.

1560
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.600
That's right, Yeah, so that I mean, that's exactly like

1561
01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:42.600
I wish I knew darrel Leanna, so I could give

1562
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:44.479
her a huge hug, but she she wrote about, was

1563
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:47.279
encapsulated my experience to a te.

1564
01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:52.279
Yeah, So where are you now in the healing process

1565
01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:55.279
for you and for your family? You're supporting yourself, You're

1566
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:59.239
supporting your children. Have you started to look for work again?

1567
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:03.880
As Andy Byron I heard has gotten offers from other places,

1568
01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:06.239
lots of interest, lots of interest, And I think.

1569
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:08.039
He is the luxury of staying silent, and he can

1570
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:09.199
go back to work when he's ready.

1571
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:09.720
I don't.

1572
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:12.439
I feel I have to remind myself I'm not on trial,

1573
01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:14.359
but I have to in order for me to get

1574
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:16.239
back on my feet, I have to come out and explain.

1575
01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.119
And I think that's a stark difference between the man

1576
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:21.239
and the woman in this situation. I have to explain

1577
01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:24.960
and explain and justify. And I feel like people when

1578
01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.119
I speak up, they think I'm trying to be famous.

1579
01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:30.079
If I don't speak, I must be guilty. So I'm

1580
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:32.880
trying to figure out the right balance there. And for me,

1581
01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:35.840
I'm you know, I'm raising my kids alone. I'm financially

1582
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.199
responsible for my kids alone, and I need to get

1583
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:38.560
back to work.

1584
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:40.439
Yeah, Because people are going to criticize you for it, like,

1585
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:41.199
why are you talking?

1586
01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:41.760
Talk?

1587
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:43.760
I'm trying to prolong my fifteen minutes of fame. If

1588
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:46.640
I'm not talking, I'm you know. Yeah, So again, you

1589
01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:49.800
decided to talk because because I felt, like I said

1590
01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:53.840
in the beginning, like I can't stay silent and accept

1591
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:56.840
what has happened. And I do feel like it's important

1592
01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:00.800
that people understand the real story and also how harmful

1593
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.199
it is to just make assumptions and judge and feed

1594
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:06.680
and fuel something that created this narrative.

1595
01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:09.439
But you're so right, you know, I knew that Andrew

1596
01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:13.560
had Andrew, your husband that you're getting a divorce from,

1597
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.760
had made a statement saying that you all were separated

1598
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:21.279
at the time. But you're right, we never heard from

1599
01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:23.960
Andy Byron. And if Andy Byron had done that, it

1600
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:28.880
would have changed everything. I think, Yes, that's right, that's right.

1601
01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:32.119
Don't y'all think so everybody would have thought, oh, they're

1602
01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:36.960
both separated, Okay, still her boss, still HR.

1603
01:20:37.439 --> 01:20:41.159
Still not great, but a lot less interesting to the

1604
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.920
general public. Yeah, love, And I think I do think,

1605
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:47.800
you know, Chris Martin being a celebrity and that adding

1606
01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:48.840
to it, I think helped with this.

1607
01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:50.479
You know, this thing going viral for sure.

1608
01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:52.359
I think when you bring a celebrity into the mix

1609
01:20:52.399 --> 01:20:56.119
with private people, I think it gives it more.

1610
01:20:56.880 --> 01:21:00.600
Yeah, and before we go, I said to you backstage,

1611
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:04.880
which I do with all interviews that are important. All

1612
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:07.840
interviews are important, but not as important as you wanting

1613
01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:10.079
to make this state me here. I always ask people

1614
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:13.359
before every show, and I've been doing this since nineteen

1615
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:16.520
eighty nine. Actually, I ask people before we go out,

1616
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.760
what is your intention? Because I want you to be

1617
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.720
able to fulfill exactly the reason that you came.

1618
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:24.359
Thank you. I'm glad that you came.

1619
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:27.239
I'm glad that you are willing to have your first

1620
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:30.840
and you say only interview with me. But most important,

1621
01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:34.520
I want you to be able to say and fully

1622
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.840
not get home and say, oh I should have said, oh,

1623
01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:42.119
she didn't ask me? What is it you feel that

1624
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:45.399
you need to say or that you want people to

1625
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:46.279
know before we leave.

1626
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.079
Yeah, I want people to know that I'm just a

1627
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:51.760
regular person. I'm a private person. I didn't ask for this.

1628
01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:55.840
I didn't ask to be famous, and I have no

1629
01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:58.319
experience dealing with all of this, and I'm just I'm

1630
01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:00.600
a mom that takes my kids to school and pick

1631
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:02.760
them up at practices and tries to juggle work and

1632
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:05.920
where I was work in parenting, and I'm with someone's

1633
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:09.600
daughter and sister and friend. And I really want people

1634
01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:15.960
to understand what happened and what harm it does to

1635
01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:20.720
real people's lives when you mindlessly fuel a fire like this.

1636
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:23.600
It's incredibly dangerous and I'm so grateful I have the

1637
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:25.159
tools I have that I can sit here and talk

1638
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.800
about it, because so many people don't make it through it,

1639
01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:31.640
and it's tragic, and I just I want people to

1640
01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:34.800
be kind, and I you know, it's especially when.

1641
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:35.479
Women to women.

1642
01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:37.760
I know you were really she felt that there were

1643
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:41.279
other women who came out and should have been more supportive.

1644
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:43.600
You felt, Yeah, I just think we're holding each other back,

1645
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:46.840
like let's stop. And I think it's a conversation that

1646
01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:48.560
needs to be had over and over right now, like

1647
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:51.239
what is going on with us as a gender that

1648
01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:53.520
give that you know, we take such pleasure in holding

1649
01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:55.000
each other back and hurting each other.

1650
01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:58.119
Yeah, it's really I heard you were upset when there

1651
01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:01.720
was a commercial that Gwyneth did, Gwyneth Paltrow, Yeah.

1652
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.680
Yeah, that was really disappointing to me. I felt like

1653
01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:09.560
Gwyneth someone whose company is founded on or framed around

1654
01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:13.399
uplifting women and women's well being, and she doesn't need

1655
01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:16.000
the money. I don't know why she felt she needed

1656
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:17.920
to throw gas on the fire and get involved in

1657
01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:21.840
all of this. Was it just felt really hypocritical to

1658
01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:24.600
me and unnecessary. And I think, you know, I don't

1659
01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:27.000
want to let Ryan Reynolds off the hook either. He

1660
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.760
produced the ad, he created it, and his wife has

1661
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.039
just gone through something really similar over the last year,

1662
01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:35.920
and I find it really kind of astounding that he

1663
01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:38.520
thought this was a great way to lead.

1664
01:23:38.680 --> 01:23:38.880
You know.

1665
01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:42.000
Well, I will tell you that I called Gwyneth and

1666
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.399
I asked her about this, and so this is an

1667
01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:47.159
official statement, but I did ask her if it was

1668
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:50.560
okay if I shared what she shared with me, and

1669
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:55.760
she said that she was told that you and Andy

1670
01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:59.880
Byron had signed off on that commercial, and she said

1671
01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:02.760
she would have done it if she hadn't heard that

1672
01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:04.279
you had signed off on the commercial.

1673
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:08.239
Had you signed off on the commercial? No, Yeah, And

1674
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:09.800
she communicated that to me as.

1675
01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:12.079
Well, okay, because she also said I was going to say,

1676
01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:15.560
she also said that she sent you a sent you

1677
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:17.680
an email and that she hadn't heard back from the email.

1678
01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:22.840
So I just wanted to say that, Okay, thank you. Okay.

1679
01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:28.279
So when that commercial came out, did you feel that

1680
01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:29.520
that was just fuel on the fire?

1681
01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:30.119
Absolutely?

1682
01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.640
I mean it made everything in that moment, and for

1683
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:35.720
you know, ensuing days or weeks, it made everything harder.

1684
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:39.479
It was made it a lot harder for my kids too.

1685
01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:42.600
I think when when a celebrity gets involved like that,

1686
01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:44.800
that's their teenagers. Like I said, they know who she is,

1687
01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:48.159
they know and it made it just added to it

1688
01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:52.840
in a way that was so unnecessary. But people have

1689
01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:54.960
their own needs and I can't speculate us to what

1690
01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:55.399
those are.

1691
01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:57.800
So it happened, and I can.

1692
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:01.560
Just And you're saying that you've been most disappointed by

1693
01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:02.880
the reaction from other women.

1694
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.279
That's been the biggest thing for me and I I

1695
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:06.760
don't know.

1696
01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:08.239
I wish I could fix it.

1697
01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.000
I wish I could understand, And honestly, I'd love to

1698
01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:11.840
sit with some of these women that are so angry

1699
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:14.079
at me and really listen and try to understand what

1700
01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:15.840
it is about me or what is what could I

1701
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:17.600
have what would they like to have seen?

1702
01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:19.279
You know, I don't know.

1703
01:25:19.359 --> 01:25:22.199
I'd love to have a real conversation about what it

1704
01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:24.079
is that makes them so I can make that happen if.

1705
01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:25.760
You, Yeah too, I really would love it.

1706
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:28.920
I'm being deadly serious, I don't I have a real

1707
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:32.439
need to try to understand and have empathy for people

1708
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:34.960
that are hurting. And I'm feeling so much hurt that

1709
01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:36.840
I I can't fix it, but I would love to

1710
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.359
understand it. That would help me heal too, to better

1711
01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:43.359
understand why why people are so angry?

1712
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.359
Yeah, is there anybody here who had seen the video

1713
01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:47.119
who was angry?

1714
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:50.319
Yes? So were you one of those angry people? I

1715
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:51.359
wasn't angry at you.

1716
01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:54.520
The first thing that came to my mind when I

1717
01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:57.960
saw that video was everything that in darkness comes to light.

1718
01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:01.840
And I passed judgment and I take ownership for that.

1719
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:05.439
It was not It wasn't nice, and it's not the

1720
01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:08.760
type of example that I should make for my children

1721
01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:15.439
as a mom. I empathize with your plight tremendously, because unfortunately,

1722
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:22.279
children are the casualties of these They take the brunt

1723
01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:22.840
of a lot of this.

1724
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:24.920
Yeah, But one thing.

1725
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:27.119
That I think is really important, and I was the

1726
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:31.039
woman who was at home and who didn't know okay

1727
01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:33.840
after seventeen years of marriage, So when I saw that,

1728
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:35.239
it really hit home.

1729
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:39.880
Yeah. But the most important.

1730
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:42.399
Thing that I've learned through my journey is that the

1731
01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:46.199
only person that can define who I am is me.

1732
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:48.039
Y's right, that's right.

1733
01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:48.520
I love that.

1734
01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:52.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's really true. But I

1735
01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:58.000
also as a person who is you know, throughout the internet,

1736
01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:03.359
you know, people say horrible things. There's no need horrible horror,

1737
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:07.640
horrible things all the time. And it is very, very different.

1738
01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:11.119
If you're up on a jumper trom that becomes the

1739
01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:14.720
most watched video of the entire.

1740
01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:18.239
Year, it is I and I. There is that distinction.

1741
01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:21.199
But for a person who's going through a very public

1742
01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:25.640
situation in their own microcosm, which is a JumboTron for them,

1743
01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:30.199
it's different. But again, so my apologies for the judgment

1744
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:32.600
that I passed based on what I had read.

1745
01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.800
Because you didn't know that you was separated. I didn't

1746
01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:37.319
know that you were separating. I know that he was separating. No,

1747
01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:39.399
it was because that's not I went by the narror.

1748
01:27:39.439 --> 01:27:42.079
That's a major factor. But irrespective of.

1749
01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:45.239
That, I would have never ever, ever said something mean

1750
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:48.279
or wished death like that's just that's just unacceptable.

1751
01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:50.960
Yeah, I think that's that this is Thank you so

1752
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:53.159
much for sharing that, and thank you so much for

1753
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:55.560
being willing to admit that you were in judgment, because

1754
01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:58.800
the whole world was actually and I would have to

1755
01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:02.760
say that in this moment, I think it's really important

1756
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:06.359
for we as the human species to.

1757
01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:09.399
Look at how we are.

1758
01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:14.960
Participating in the comments and the global discussions, because does

1759
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:18.439
a person deserve death threats because they made a mistake.

1760
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:22.039
Think of all the mistakes we've made in our lives.

1761
01:28:22.079 --> 01:28:25.079
Think of all the things you wish had not been seen,

1762
01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:27.239
or you wish you hadn't have done that or said

1763
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:31.680
that or whatever, and it gets, you know, replicated three

1764
01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:35.520
hundred billion times, and now people are threatening your life

1765
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:38.199
and the life of your children, and they're parked outside

1766
01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:41.119
your house and your number is all over the world.

1767
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:42.840
I mean, just think about that for a moment.

1768
01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:45.479
Yeah, I am really sorry that you had to go

1769
01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:48.560
through that. Thank you. Thank you for telling me to

1770
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:50.319
talk about it, and I know it took it a

1771
01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:51.479
lot for you to do this.

1772
01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:53.600
Today, I do have to say, if I can interrupt it,

1773
01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:57.279
I'm sorry at the center of the trauma for me

1774
01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:02.000
is how women have treated me. And it was really

1775
01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:04.000
scary to come here and sit in the center of

1776
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:06.439
a room full of primarily women just kind of looking

1777
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:09.479
at me like this is really really terrifying. Yeah, but

1778
01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:11.159
I have to say, like, I do feel a lot

1779
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:12.720
of warmth in the room, so I want to thank

1780
01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:16.880
the people here. It was almost I could almost couldn't

1781
01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:18.600
do it because of the audience.

1782
01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:21.560
And you still said yes. Well, my daughter told.

1783
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:23.239
Me yesterday morning when I dropped her at school, and

1784
01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:24.840
I was like, I'm so nervous, and she's like, Mom,

1785
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:26.159
this will be like therapy for you.

1786
01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:30.000
You can do it. I was like, oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah,

1787
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:32.359
it does feel good. Well, it does feel good. It

1788
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:35.319
does feel good. So I thank you for allowing me

1789
01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:37.359
to be your first interview. Thank you.