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May 15, 2025

“The Trial Of Sean Combs” Episode Eight | Diddy’s Defense Grills Cassie

“The Trial Of Sean Combs” Episode Eight | Diddy’s Defense Grills Cassie
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Season 1

The 4th day of testimony has wrapped up in the “Diddy Trial” and Jim Chapman is bringing you the update including the start of the cross examination of Cassandra “Cassie” Ventura.

#seancombs #Diddy #trial #exposed #podcast #badboyrecords #crime #court #cassie #juryselection

Chapters
01:52 Cross Examination of Cassie Begins
07:45 The Love Connection
09:18 Cassandra Ventura Defines a Freak-Off"
16:10 Were they Swingers 19:32 Tensions in the Courtroom
24:55 Jealousy and Past Relationships
28:48 Drug Use Runs Wild
33:22 The Defense Creates Doubt
37:01 The Two Minute Warning

Welcome to The Trial of Sean Combs. Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs had it all. In the 90s and 00s, he produced global hits for the hottest stars in the world, including Biggie, Mary J. Blige and J Lo. Then came the business deals, from vodka to media companies - everything Diddy touched turned to gold. Now, he faces multiple federal charges in New York, including sex trafficking and allegedly running a criminal enterprise

The Trial of Diddy is anticipated to be one of the most historic trials in United States history. This series will bring you all of the up to minute details of the Diddy party rumors, in which many were saying Diddy diddy go away by the time the party ended.

Podcast Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of any affiliated organizations or institutions. While we strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, we cannot guarantee the completeness, reliability, or suitability of the information discussed.

Further Legal Note: This Case has not been decided and all persons discussed in this podcast are assumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The civil charges expressed in this podcast are taken from public record and any commentary discussed are for informational purposes may or may not be the opinion of the host and/or producers of this podcast.

For collaborations, promotions, or appearances email Jim at: exposedpodcastfiles@gmail.com

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Get ready to dive deep into one of the most

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gripping legal battles of our time. I'm your host, Jim Chapman,

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and today we're unraveling the high stakes drama surrounding one

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of the music industry's most enematic figures, Sean Diddy Combs,

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in a case that has captivated millions. The courtroom has

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become a battleground for fame, fortune, in the dark secrets

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that lurk beneath the glittering surface of celebrity life. As

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the gavel comes down, we'll explore the allegations, the testimonies,

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and the shocking twists that could change the course of

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Diddy's legacy forever. Was this case merely a clash of

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lifestyles or something much more sinister? With each episode, I

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will bring you exclusive insights, analysis, and witness testimony accounts

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that will leave you on the edge of your seat.

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So buckle up as we embark on this thrilling ride

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through the trial of the century, where the stakes are high,

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the drama is real, and the truth is anything but certain.

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This is the Trial of Sean Combs. Let's get started,

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and this is the third day of testimony. Four Cassi Ventura.

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The prosecution wrapped up the direct examination of Cassie yesterday

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May fourteenth, and as I'm recording this on May fifteenth,

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the defense has their shot at Cassie during cross examination.

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Very highly anticipated aspect of the trial taking place today.

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Cassie entered the courtroom at eight point fifty am and

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she took her place at the witness box. She's wearing

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a double breasted black suit jacket and that is over.

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A light colored shirt.

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And Combe's defense attorney Anna Festivo will be handling the

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cross examination for the defense. And I want to say

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this right off the bat, I knew the strategy would

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come into play. There would be no way a man

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was going to cross examine Cassie for the defense. Think

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about how that would come off to the jury, considering

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what she's been through with a particular man named Diddy

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in Another strategy deployed by the defense was that they

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requested the judge grant their request to have Cassie seated

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in that jury box prior to the jury coming into

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the courtroom. This is the first time that's occurred now.

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That was due to the fact that she was pregnant,

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no doubt, and they didn't want the jury to garner

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sympathy for her because she's pregnant now. And I don't get

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why they would want to do that, but I mean,

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come on, for two days now, she's been walking in

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there pregnant. The jury has been seeing her walk in

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You're not hiding anything from them. I mean, she's obviously pregnant.

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And let me tell you a little bit about the

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defense attorney Anna Estivo. She's known for handling white collar crimes.

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She's not necessarily used to handling crimes of this level,

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criminal charges of this level, I should say. And a

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Steve O opens her cross examination of Ventura with this question, quote,

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you and Sean Combs were in love for eleven years, right?

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And Cassie replied yes, Steve, and then said you loved him,

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And Cassie said I did. And as STEVO said, and

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you believe that he loved you as well? And Cassie

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said yes. And Steve O asked Cassie if she remembered

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calling Sean Combe's quote larger than life during her testimony,

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and Ventur confirmed she remembered doing that. Then, as Steve

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O says, but to you, he was Seawan and you

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knew the sean that other people didn't see, and Ventura

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confirmed that. And what she doing here, She's getting Cassie

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to say yes over and over and over again, trying

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to mentally make her agreeable. Steva then asked Ventur if

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she always knew that she was special to Combs, and

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Ventura responds, no, I don't think I always knew, And

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as Steve O says, you sometimes knew, Inventur replied, hmmm,

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sometimes it's fair. And Ventur's voice at this point in

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the trial very soft, almost a whisper, as she answers

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these questions. And as Steve Ovin says, so when he

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cheated on you, it really hurt, right, And Ventur responded

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with I would say not every time, and she added

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that she spent more time feeling hurt in the early

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stages of the relationship. The Journey then gets shown some

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emails from early on in the relationship between Cassie and Cones,

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and she had Cassie read those emails out loud, and

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Cassie read them and it's quote, it makes me so

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happy that you would fly to with Lana just to

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see me. I'm a very lucky man. I love you,

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I miss you. Can't wait to hold you. Obviously come

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saying that to Cassie. In Ventur responded in that email,

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I'm a very lucky woman. I miss you so much.

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I'd fly wherever you needed me whenever. I love you.

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Ventura then testified that early in their relationship, around this time,

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she and Combs would often send each other loving messages.

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Then the jury shown some other text messages from around

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the same time period. Ventura says, going to sleep now

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so it can be tomorrow faster.

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I love you.

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Combs responds, love my baby, and then Ventura sends a

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smiley face emulgy and comb says I love you so

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much it consumes my life, and Ventura says I wonder

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the same thing for myself, like who was I before

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we decided to be together, and Combe says I never

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knew it could be like this, And obviously they're trying

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to paint a picture of a loving relationship right. The

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jury also saw texts from two thousand and nine in

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which Combs told Ventura, quote, I love you so much

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and may makes me cry, and in that exchange, Ventura

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responds with love you.

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Pop Pop, which we.

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Now know was the name of our grandfather. And some

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freaky thing only known to Sean Combs. He wanted her

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to call him that as well. Steve then asked Cassie

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why she fell in love with Combs, and Ventura described

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the beginning.

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Of the relationship.

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She said, when she was nineteen, he was in his

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mid thirties. It was fast paced and scary, but she said,

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his real personality, or at least what she thought was

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his real personality, that came out, and she said, I

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liked who he was. She said Combs early on was

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sweet and attentive. So the defense they've spent at this point,

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like a half hour establishing this love connection, if you will,

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between Cassie and Diddy. And then the defense presents a

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message to the jury from cas too Diddy. This is

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in twenty ten, and it stated, quote, I haven't talked

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to you at all. I know you can take three

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minutes out of your day to talk to me, and

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you don't even try. You're in too much of a

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rush to get me off the phone. That's not being

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in a relationship with someone that you love and are

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in love with. I'm really hurt by the way that

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you deal with me. I don't need your money, I

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need attention. I am thankful, but I can pay for

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these things myself. The defense asked Cassie at that point

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what she meant by all that, and Cassie said she

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often wanted to spend more time with Sean Combes while

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they were in a relationship. The defense attorney then says,

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so to make him happy, you told him that you

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wanted to do freak offs.

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Right.

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Cassie replied, No, There's a lot more to that, and

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it's at this point the defense emits some messages into

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evidence from Cassie to Ditty from two thousand and nine,

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in which Cassie and Diddy were discussing a potential freak

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off with an escort named Jules who he's come up

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again and again during this trial, right, Cassie said in

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one of the messages, quote, I'm always ready to freak off,

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laugh out loud, unquote. And obviously it's the goal of

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the defense to establish there was nothing coercive about freakoffs

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between Shawn Combs and Cassandra Ventura. They want to make

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sure that during today's testimony they paint her as a

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willing participant who was not coerced in any way. Cassandra

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Ventura then whispers to the judge and he calls a

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ten minute break. Now, during this break, Seawan Combes. He's

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sitting between his lawyers. He's wearing a sand colored sweater

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and a collared shirt, and he has been really more

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fidgety today than he was the last two days. He's

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leaning back and forth in his chair, and he continuously,

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it seems like, take his black framed glasses.

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On and off.

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And during the break, Combs hands a note to his

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lawyer that was leading the cross examination of Cassie Comb's sons.

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At this time, they're in the courtroom, three sons and

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his mother, Janis Combs all in that spectator's gallery. And

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after that break, Cassie returns to the witness box. She's

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clutching what appears to be a chain of beads and

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it has a tassel on the end, and she's watching

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the jurors as they file back into the courtroom after

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that break, and at that point, the defense picks up

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again with these sexually explicit messages that Cassie, in showing

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Comb's would text back and forth in anticipation of a

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freak off. In two thousand and nine, Combs wrote her quote,

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I can't wait, and she replied I can't wait either.

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The jury then saw another message exchange between Diddy and Cassie,

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and this was in August of two thousand and nine

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where she talked about wanting more pills and she talked

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about deleting a video. In the text, Ventura asked Comes

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if he had quote any more pills. Ventura testified that

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she was using opiates like Norco around that time that

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these messages were sent. In the same text messages, Ventur

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also mentioned deleting a video, but she testified she wasn't

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sure what kind of video she was referring to in

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the messages and couldn't be sure if it was a

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freak off recording or some other video that was totally innocent. Now,

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Defense attorney Estevo then asked Ventur if she preferred to

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have freakof videos recorded on her devices or on his devices,

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and her response, and this was a great response, was

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I didn't want them recorded at all.

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So then the.

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Defense focuses on a message that Ventura sent to Combs

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in two thousand and nine that expressed some conflicting feelings

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about the freak offs. She wrote, in part, when we

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used to freak off. When we were so in love,

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there were no questions asked. It felt right, like literally

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made sense for the next step in our sex life together.

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I get nervous that I'm just becoming the girlfriend that

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you get your fantasies off with, and that's it. I

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don't get the other part anymore, at least in Combe's

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defense then asked Ventur if her hesitation reflected in the

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message came from a concern that she wouldn't be seen

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as his full girlfriend because of her participation in these

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sex encounters with escorts, and she said, quote, I think

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that's a way to look at it.

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I guess yeah.

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She was also asked if Sean was the first older

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man that she dated, and Ventura testified that she met

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Sean Combes through Ryan Leslie, who was a music producer

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that she dated for about three years, and this started

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when she was eighteen or nineteen. She said Leslie was

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about ten years older than her, meaning Combes was the

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second older man she dated at that point. Now, I'm

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not sure where the defense was going with that. I

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guess because Cassie, under the prosecution direct testimony, was alluding

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to the fact that she was very young and naive

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when she started dating Seawan Combs. And the only thing

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I can come up with regarding their point is that, hey,

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you already dated.

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A dude ten years older than you before this.

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So they continued on that line of questioning and following

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her twenty first birthday. As we learned under direct examination,

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Ventura said she wanted to join Combs on a trip

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to Miami and she was dating someone at that time.

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She had mentioned well that person was Leslie.

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She testified she the flyer for an event as an

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excuse to go on that trip. She actually told her

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boyfriend at that time that Sean Combs had arranged a

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concert or something there in Miami and she was going

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to sing at this concert, and they even made up

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a fake flyer for that. At that point, the jury

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viewed some other text messages where Cassie wrote about some

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negative feelings she had about their relationship, her in Sean,

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and in that text message she indicated she felt that

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her friend may be better suited for comb She said, quote,

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It's hard for me to handle that. On the other hand,

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you're extremely weary of me.

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I'm sneaky.

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I never seem to make the right decisions to you,

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I'm a spoiled brat, I'm dramatic, disrespectful, and for some

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reason you just don't trust me. The jury then viewed

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some text messages between Cassie and showing from December of

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two thousand and nine that vent Turk confirmed reflected the

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quote open communication between them. She told defense attorney is

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Steve O that at that time she felt comfortable expressing

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her need to combs over participating in freak offs. In

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one message from two thousand and nine, Cassie wrote that

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she needed to quote feel safe, like home and to

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be more open with things we do in bed. She continued,

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quote the last time was a mistake, but since has

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made me feel a little dirty and grimy as opposed

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to sexual and spontaneous. That's the only reason why I

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go back and forth in my mind with wanting or

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not wanting to do it. She went on to write,

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when we used to freak off, when we were so

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in love, there were no questions asked, but she did

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not feel the same level of love anymore at least

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and from there a Stevo brought up that lawsuit in

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twenty twenty three that was settled for twenty million dollars,

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and she asked, Cassie, you understand that his career was

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ruined at that point, right, and Cassie replied, I.

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Can understand that. Yeah.

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So the defense then moved on to talk to her

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about the swinger lifestyle, and Cassie confirmed that she and

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Sean Combs had conversations about the swinger lifestyle and eventually

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she saw it in person at the sex clubs.

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That they went to together.

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And as STEVEO asked if the freak offs were related

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to that swinger's lifestyle, and she said related in a

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sexual way, yeah, but they're very different. The defense then

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asked if any of Come's staff knew about the freak

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afs outside of security, and Cassie Ventura testified that she

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didn't remember any of Shawing Comb's employees walking in while

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they were having a freak off. She said she never

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talked to anyone on the staff about it, and she

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went on to say she definitely didn't want any of

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his employees to know.

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About any of that stuff.

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Ventura said Come's assistance would often set up the hotel

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rooms before freak off and they would at times come

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into a hotel room while they were staying there, but

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she said, I don't have a specific recollection of a

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staff member in the room when the freak off was

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going on, and I have no idea if they knew

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or not. She also acknowledged she never told any friends

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about the freak alls. The defense then asked Ventura about

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her testimony that Combs would sometimes call her incessantly. A

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Stevo asked if those calls were triggered by fears of infidelity.

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Was he worried about her cheating on him? Cassie responded with,

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that's one of the reasons, And then Cassie was asked

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about her testimony that Sean Comes frequently weighed in on

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her appearance, including her hair, her clothing, and body piercings,

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those nipple piercing specifically. Steve has said many people respected

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his perspective in this regard, true, to which Cassie answered,

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from my perspective, yes, And what the defense is trying

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to do there is basically say, hey, he wasn't trying

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to control you regarding your appearance and suggesting you wear

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heels and things like that. He just had great style

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and people respected his opinion when it came to style,

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and look, that's a good point. He was known for

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his style, and the defense team is not a joke, y'all.

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They're going to pick up every little crumb of doubt

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that they can. The defense then asked Cassie about shaw

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Combe's drug use, which she already testified was a central

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element in those freak offs, and Cassie agreed that Comes,

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at least at one point, was an attic, testifying he

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often took opiates, and she admitted that she did as well.

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She said that multiple times she witnessed him going through

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what's known as opiate withdraw and she admitted that caused

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him to be more irritable. And what the defense is

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trying to do there is attribute his abusive behavior to

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drug addiction, basically saying he was on all these drugs

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and he didn't know what he was doing, which don't

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mean a hell of beans to me. It doesn't mean

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you're not responsible for it because you were on drugs,

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But it seems to be a heavily focused route that

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the defense is taken. And at this point there's kind

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of a tense back and forth between prosecution and the

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defense team about how long the cross examination of Cassie

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is going to take. The defense said it intended to

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finish by the end of the week, but it can't

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make any promises, and the judge is kind of pissed

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about this. He said that there have been discussions for

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weeks now about how Ventura, who keep in mind, y'all,

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she's like can deliver at any time. She's in her

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third trimester, she's due this upcoming month. But I mean,

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the clock's ticking, and when you have this kind of

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pressure on you, you have to testify. In a case of

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this magnitude, it can bring on a baby, right, So

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the judge says she needs to be off the stand

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by the end of the week, and it's at this

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point they.

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Break for lunch.

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After lunch, the judge address the length of time Cassie

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was to testify. He said he wants to have Ventura

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off that stand tomorrow. Quote, the direct took a day

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and a half, so the defense will have a day

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and a half. So you have today and you have

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tomorrow morning. If there's something that really needs to be

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done after the lunch break, then you can have additional

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time at my discretion.

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So this judge is.

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Very firm on them wrapping this up by Friday. After

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or just prior to lunch. The defense then picks back

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up with the government exhibits that are already in evidence

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more messages between Ventura and Combs, and the defense points

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to additional text in which Combs and Ventura seemed to

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agree that they enjoyed freakoffs in a twenty seventeen message,

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saying quote, when we both wanted. When asked about the message,

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Cassie responded, I would say that loving fos freakoffs were

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just words at that point. In an older exchange, Combs

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wrote quote, I want a freak golf right now, to

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which Ventura responded, Lol, me too, and then added, well,

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I want to have fun with you. And the defense

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then started focusing on how the couple communicated about planning

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a freak golf. They reviewed a text message chain in

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which the planning of a freak off was discussed with

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I'm saying, quote have fun impress me. And to give

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you some context on that, this is when Cassie was

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about to leave her apartment and visit a sex shop

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for supplies. She texted and let Sean know that's what

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she was about to do. And when I say supplies,

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I mean supplies for the freak off. I guess baby

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oil and whatnot, and that's when he responded back with

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have fun.

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Impressed me.

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The defense then noted that Ventura had not said no

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at any point in that text exchange, and Cassie replied,

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you're correct. Defense attorney Esteve o them right aloud some

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of Diddy's other texts related to the freak Offs, and

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I'm going to read you.

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Two of those.

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One said quote, didn't hear from you, so I just

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put some plans in motion. Let me know to stop,

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and then the second one said, surprise package coming from

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out of state. Just let me know if I'm headed

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in the direction so I can cancel. The defense then

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brought up a text chain referring to a freak Off

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in Castie messaging Ditty saying quote, I'm too excited, and

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when they asked her why, she said that if she

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didn't like freak offs, she testified that quote, I probably

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would have been excited to see him and have fun

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with him. But the defense underlined that in the text

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chain it seemed to them that she was just excited

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in general, and then shockingly to me at least. The

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defense raises the subject of kim Porter, who y'all was

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the on and off girlfriend of Sean Combs, the mother

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of three of his children, and she died in twenty eighteen.

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After all this shit came out with Diddy, a lot

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of people questioned the manner in which she died and

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thought there may be something more sinister to it. So

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the defense asked Cassie about kim p and specifically what

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her feelings were toward kim Porter, and Cassie testified, quote,

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I had some jealousy of miss Porter. The defense then

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pressed a little further and said, did y'all argue a

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lot over infidelity, to which she agreed. She said they

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would argue about that, and she said it was a

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little scary, she said, when they thought about his but

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even more scary when they fought about her own alleged transagressions,

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if you will. And it's at this point Cassie starts

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appearing very frustrated for the first time in this trial,

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after the defense reads a message Cassie sent to Shawn

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Combs and said, quote, wish we could have f oed

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before you left, and of course that stands for freak off.

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And then the defense.

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Attorney moves on to recount Cassie's relationship with rapper Kid

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Cuddy and if you'll remember, that was the guy who had.

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His car blown up.

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Cassie confirmed that during that relationship she used a burner

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phone or a secret second device. When she dated Kid Cuddy,

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she claimed that it was while she was on a

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quote break from her relationship with Shawing Combs, and she

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admitted that she was continuing to have freak offs with Combs,

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saying it was a quote job and that she didn't

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know if he considered them to be on a break

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or not, because I assume that Comb's is claiming he

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had no idea they were on a break and that

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she was cheating on it. Cassie said she did not

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tell Combs about the new relationship because she thought it

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would be way too dangerous. And then the defense went

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deeper into what they characterized as Cassie's jealousy issues, and

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they asked her specifically about social media. Cassie said women

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on social media would often claim to have a relationship

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with Seawan, saying it happened often enough that I don't

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know that I remember every single one. The defense they

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move on and they get on to more messages, and

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one specifically related to Cassie having difficulty over not being

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afforded more time by Combs when he would spend time

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with his children. They showed one text message chain where

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Cassie said, quote, I've been at the edge of tears

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this whole week. I don't think you sympathize with my feelings.

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I understand your feelings like you need to protect your children,

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But after a while, it's like for what they've never

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known you and come to be together unless there's something

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I don't know about. They were babies when we started dating,

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and again I was a little brought back by what

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the point was here. The only thing I can derive

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is that they're trying to again hammer down.

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The jealousy stuff with Cassie.

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So the defense brings up Kid cutting again and they

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characterize Combs meaning the defense team as I rate. And

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they asked Cassie if she would agree with that characterization,

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and she said yes. She said in part because kid

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Cutty was considered a celebrity like Sean Combs was, and

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she also said that issue would come up repeatedly throughout

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the rest of their relationship. She said later in twenty fifteen,

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she was filming a movie in South Africa, and she

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learned that Combs had been spending time with one of

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his on again, off again girlfriends, and that pissed her

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off so much she cut off contact with him for

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a while. And she said, I actually started dating Michael B.

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Jordan at that time, And the defense didn't really press this.

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They just kind of moved on.

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It was apparent they didn't want to talk about Michael B. Jordan,

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but they did return briefly to the topic of freak golfs,

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and the defense asked Cassie if her what they termed

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as sexual marathons with Shawn Comb's were a chance to

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do drugs together in a safe, confined space. Inventor agreed

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that they tried many substances, including psychedelics, and they experimented

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with drugs together both during freak offs and elsewhere, and

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the defense attorney said, so you were able to keep

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up with him in a way that most other people

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could not as it relates to drugs. Vent Tur replied, surprisingly.

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So yeah.

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She went on to say that Shawn Combs react explosively

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when he found out that Cassie was doing drugs with

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her friends and not him.

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She said, quote, if we.

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Weren't getting high, or if I wasn't doing drugs specifically

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with him, it was a problem. Steven then moved into

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another line of questioning and brought up that friend of

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Cassie's that Cassie had testified in direct examination she had

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seen being dangled over a balcony by Sean Combs. If

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you'll remember that friend of hers, well, that friend's name

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was Brianna Bigolin. I believe it is how you pronounced that.

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Steve O asked her, quote, isn't it true you learned

464
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about this incident after the fact? Remember Ventura said she

465
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was there. Ventura responded, quote, I saw what I saw.

466
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.079
And then as Steve O shows Ventura a text message

467
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:31.519
that she sent Combe's chief of staff shortly after the incident,

468
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.279
telling that chief of staff that she learned of the

469
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:40.319
altercation after the fact. And y'all that's a problem because

470
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:45.039
she testified yesterday she was there when it all went down.

471
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.319
Steve then asked Ventur she was on drugs that night.

472
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.400
Ventura testified she couldn't remember if she'd done drugs before

473
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.240
falling asleep earlier that day. And then if Steve O

474
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.440
asked Cassie if she had any side effects from her

475
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.359
drug use, and Cassie said in early twenty seventeen, she

476
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.599
got very sick from her drug use and she began

477
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:09.839
to look for help. Quote, I lost all sense of

478
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.759
smell and taste. When I woke up, I had numbing

479
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:18.119
in my arm. She said she also experienced some disassociative

480
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.920
side effects from ketamine use. The defense then says, did

481
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.880
Shawn Combs notice some of your symptoms and suggests that

482
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:31.079
you go see doctors? And Ventur confirmed that he did.

483
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.640
She said that she didn't tell Combs everything about her

484
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.960
drug use throughout their relationship. They were both doing a

485
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.960
lot of drugs, but he did indeed ask her to

486
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.200
go see a doctor. And what they're trying to do

487
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.680
there is trying to show that Combs cared about her,

488
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.000
which I think is a major stretch. The defense then

489
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.759
shifted back to twenty twelve from twenty seventeen, and they

490
00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.680
asked Ventura to recall a time that Shawn Comb's overdosed

491
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:05.359
on opiates while at the Playboy mansion, and Ventura said

492
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.079
that on that day they had a freak golf and

493
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.400
then they went to a sex club before Combs went

494
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.759
without her to a party at the Playboy mansion. Later

495
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.720
that night, she said she took him to the hospital

496
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.839
where they learned he experienced an overdose. Quote from what

497
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.480
he told me, he took a very strong opiate that night,

498
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.079
but we didn't know what was happening, so we took

499
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.640
him to the hospital. The defense then asked he was

500
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.480
extremely dependent on his opiates, right, and venturre responded for

501
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.400
a time, as Steve O then said, he was very

502
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.960
upset if his opiates were taken away from him. Correct,

503
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.640
and Ventura said, I guess so. And as Steve O said,

504
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.480
did there ever come a time when you and he

505
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:55.119
were not dependent on painkillers? And Ventur went on to

506
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.400
say that they obtained a plant medicine in Mexico, which

507
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.000
was a lie in the United States, to try to

508
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.680
help them detox and she said that plant medicine worked,

509
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:10.039
but only temporarily. So the defense at this point is

510
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:15.319
highlighting that Shawn Combs apparently had this long time dependency

511
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.839
on pills and that it had prominent effects on his mood.

512
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:24.519
The defense then asked Cassie directly, we would like to

513
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:29.000
dispel any widely circulated rumors were there drugs in the

514
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.960
Baby Wild that was applied at the freak offs, and

515
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:37.839
Cassie responded, no, never. So the defense then returned to

516
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.240
Ventura's previous testimony on an incident concerning sug Knight. In

517
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:49.480
direct examination, Cassie testified that sug Knight was nearby one

518
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.200
day when she and Shawan Combs were having a freak off,

519
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.240
and he and the security guards quickly packed up and

520
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:01.240
drove to go find sug Knight. Well A Stevo pointed

521
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:05.079
to a report from investigators after they met with Vin

522
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:09.480
Tura in June of twenty twenty four, which said Cassie

523
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.240
told police that she was brought along in the car

524
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.720
and she was crying in the car when they went

525
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.000
to go find suge Night. And she said that was incorrect.

526
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.880
I didn't go in that car with them. So what

527
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.960
are they trying to do there? They're trying to point

528
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.279
out you said one thing here, now you're saying something

529
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.920
else three years ago, putting doubt. It's all about putting

530
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.000
doubt in that jury's mind. The defense then brings up

531
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.960
that twenty sixteen Hotel Hallway incident again, and they make

532
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:43.160
suggestions into why Combs reacted the way that he did.

533
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:47.599
The defense reviewed a series of text messages between Combs

534
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.440
and Cassie just days prior to the incident, in which

535
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.519
Cassie told Combes to quote stay hydrated and get some

536
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.200
rust ventura. She pushed back on that, though she testified

537
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.640
she did not remember Comb's going through any sort of

538
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.960
withdrawal during that time, which was what the defense was

539
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.920
leading up to, she did acknowledge the text appeared to

540
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.960
suggest he was sick at the time, and of course,

541
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:18.639
being sick and going through withdrawals from opiates are obviously

542
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:22.159
two different things. And this is a good example of

543
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.800
the defense just trying to sprinkle a little doubt in

544
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.199
a juror's mind. They don't need them all, he's want

545
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.360
to sprinkle a little doubt and say maybe he was

546
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:33.000
going through withdrawal.

547
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:34.360
Symptoms and didn't know what he was doing.

548
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.800
Right, And continuing on that line of questioning the defense,

549
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.639
they present some other messages leading up to that incident

550
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:45.239
in that hotel hallway. So those other messages, and I'll

551
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.880
give you some context. This is after going back and

552
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.719
forth about potential plans with some of her friends, casting

553
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.679
message Sean and she said, quote, we can have fun.

554
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.119
I don't want you thinking I don't want to unquote,

555
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.920
she told co to set it up, and the defense

556
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:08.239
attorney suggested that Ventura was proposing and encouraging a freak

557
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.840
off at that hotel, and Ventura pushed back again on that.

558
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:17.320
She testified that messages from Combs repeatingly asking her plans

559
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.760
for the night was his way opposing a freak off

560
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.599
to her, not the other way around. She went on

561
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.039
to say, when you're with someone for as long as

562
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:28.199
me and Sean were together, you know what they mean

563
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.840
when they text certain things. And it's at that point

564
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.360
the judge says, you got a two minute warning, and

565
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.079
then we're adjourning court, and so they had time for

566
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:42.679
one final question, and it was about that twenty sixteen

567
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:47.039
Intercontinental Hotel incident, and they said, quote, do you recall

568
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.400
the beginning of the freak off session? And Ventura responded

569
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:54.639
she did not, but guess she had taken some MDMA

570
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.119
or ecstasy or something. And then the defense followed that

571
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:01.000
up with do you think it was bad at your drugs?

572
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.639
And Ventura said, I have no idea, and with that

573
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:11.119
court adjourned. So in my mind all day long, she

574
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.960
testified today, absolutely grilled, and I think the defense.

575
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.519
Their whole goal here.

576
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:24.400
Is to excuse the stuff that Sean Combs did relative

577
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.599
to abuse. They're gonna blame that on the drugs. Look,

578
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.519
they produced some messages where, if I'm a grror, I

579
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.800
would have a little doubt in my mind at this

580
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.320
point as to whether Cassie wasn't on board with him Freakoffs,

581
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.360
because they got a lot of text where she's just

582
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.360
not only I guess, being cool about the freak Alls,

583
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.039
but she's actually shopping at one point for freak All supplies.

584
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:54.400
So it ain't looking good from that standpoint. Because coercion

585
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.400
is one of the things they have to prove right now,

586
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:01.920
it doesn't look like he coerced her into these freak afts. Necessarily,

587
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.400
Cassie will be coming back tomorrow, Friday, May sixteenth, to

588
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.840
conclude her testimony. As the judge said, it better be

589
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.519
done by lunch, So look for that update to drop

590
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.679
as soon as I can drop it. Thank you so

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