Oct. 28, 2025

The Stable

The Stable
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Season 1

In this Episode of Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman sits down with the award winning host of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings to discuss a serial killer who became infamous in the Baton Rouge Louisiana area in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s.

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed, Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and today I

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am bringing you something a lot different than what is

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typical here on Exposed, but it's important and I'm excited

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about it, and I know you will be too, So

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many of you know that. In addition to hosting Exposed,

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I also host a show called Bloody. Inngola, I talk

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about the world's most notorious prison, Louisiana State Benitentary. And Inngola,

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I host a local business podcast called Local Leaders that

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focuses on businesses.

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Right here in my area.

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And in addition to all of that, I also host

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Crime Wire Weekly with Kelly Jennings.

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We're co host on that show. Now.

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I'm also blessed to be executive producer for what I

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would say is the most talented stable of podcasters on Earth,

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with one of those being a ward winning true crime

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podcaster Kelly Jennings of Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by

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Kelly Jennings. Kelly and I have been keeping a secret

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for nearly a year now, and that has been our

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work on a mega series. This series is titled DTL.

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It covers the crimes of notorious South Louisiana serial killer

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Derek Toddley, who terrorized the South Louisiana community in the

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late nineties in the early two thousands when he killed

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at least seven women, though it's suspected that number could

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be as high as twelve or maybe even higher. Now

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I struggle to call this a series or a podcast.

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It's really what I would call a listener experience. Think

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of it like a Netflix documentary for your ears. It's

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complete with a musical score. It had as sound effects

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that will actually make you feel as though you are

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right there with Kelly as she tells the story. So

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I was a guest on Unspeakable, a true crime podcast

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by Kelly Jennings, just this week, and we discussed everything

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that listeners can look forward to with this series, what

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led us to do it, how hard the research was,

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and the digging that was involved, the back end work

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on that. And I know that there are many of

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you that are listeners of Exposed that may not be

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familiar with this award winning true crime podcast called Unspeakable.

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So I am going to play that interview for you

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now with Kelly Jennings, and in the description, I'm going

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to link Unspeakable.

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So you can go follow it. So here's that again.

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We're talking about DT a series like you've never heard before.

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It drops November third, Monday, November third. Thank you so

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much for listening and much love.

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts.

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Some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable is intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,

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kJ You're back with another episode of Unspeakable, and I

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have a special guest in the house with me today.

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Say hello, special guests.

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Hey everyone, it's Jimothy.

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It is It is the Jim Chapman Jimothy as I

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call him, and he's sitting in on this one with

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me today because we've got something a little different, because

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we're going to be letting me all know about this

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upcoming Derek Todd Lee series that we have been painstakingly

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working on for a hot minute.

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Yeah, I would say the better part of a year.

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We have discussed this series, talked about what we wanted

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to do with it. It required a lot of a

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lot of work on everybody's part, and it is a

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little bit different than what you're used to from Unspeakable.

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This is a very highly produced, just an awesome series.

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I couldn't be prouder of how turned out. From the storytelling,

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which is obviously top notch when we're dealing with kJ,

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to the back end work that was involved in this

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that we're going to get into a little bit today.

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I'm just flat out excited.

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I am too. And so let's start here.

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If you're not from Louisiana, I want to clue you

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in because you may not be familiar with him. We assume,

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because we're from here, that everybody knows what we're talking about,

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because I would be hard pressed to believe anyone under

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the age of twenty.

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Five I guess maybe, but anyone over the age of

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I guess of twenty five.

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If you say the words Derek todd Lee, they immediately

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know exactly what you're talking about and it brings you

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back to a moment in time where all of us

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were basically seriously frozen with fear because women were being hunted. Yeah,

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they were absolutely being hunted in our area. They were

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dropping left and right. And I say that with the

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utmost respect, mean that in any way other than you know,

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our wives and our sisters and our daughters. We're going

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missing and nobody knew who was next.

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And it was.

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All in a very all in South Louisiana, you know,

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which We've got our waterways and our bios and it's

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an easy place for someone to go missing.

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Yeah, it really is.

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And we want to get into today a little bit

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about how this.

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Series is going to be different.

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And look, Kelly did a live on DTL and of

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course I don't know how many hundreds of people attended that.

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It was a two day event.

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Three we had to do it third night.

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Maybe five hundred or so people total.

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Uh, But even if you were at that live, this

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is going to be a lot of what you've never heard.

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Oh if you came to the live right now, stop

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if you're going, oh man, already know this.

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No you don't, I know you don't.

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Because that live show I had two and a half

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hours to try to impart on you.

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A lot of people's lives and what happened to them.

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But there was no way I could tell you every

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single thing into and a half hours.

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No way.

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This series is a long one, a very long one.

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But every story is different. It's not something being drug out.

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I mean I literally need hours to tell you everything

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that was going on.

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As a matter of fact, the entire series is about

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thirteen hours in length. These are broken up into thirty

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to forty minutes segments.

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And it is absolute fire.

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Now there's going to be some things that are going

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to be a little bit different and actually some big

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advantages to Patreon members.

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Right. First thing I'll tell you is this, we wanted

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this to not just be episodes. We wanted this to

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be a listening experience. We wanted you to feel what

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these women were feeling and men, because there are men,

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you know, involved in these stories. We want you to

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smell it and taste it and hear it much like

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it actually went down.

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So one of the things that I did just yesterday

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actually is I went through and I listened to the

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first four episodes and look, I recommend this to everybody

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wear some HiPhones if possible.

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I know a lot of people listen to it in

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the car.

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If you do that, turn it up, because, as Kelly

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just said, this is actually a listening experience. I put

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on my AirPods and I actually laid down in my

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bed and I closed my eyes and I literally thought

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or felt that I was right there.

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In the moment as it was happening, and it was amazing.

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The detail in this really mattered to me, as it

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should matter to you. The small things matter just as

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much as the big things. And I had if you

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were at my house with me, my family would they

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wanted to just get me for this. But it was

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a hot mess because I had notebooks and binders. I

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was working out of two computers and notebooks galore, because

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I was comparing and contrasting all sorts of different accounts.

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Jim knows we had people that.

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Were actually a part of this, the real real victims,

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real investigators, the actual people involved. Many hours spent speaking

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with them and trying to make this as cohesive and

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as real as I possibly could, because this, like I said,

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this was just we lived it. Jim, how old were

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you when this was going.

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On I was around twenty eight.

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I was eighteen, freshly eighteen years old on LSU's campus.

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And a lot of the hunting and there's no other

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word to use, that's not for theatrics hunting of these women.

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You know, I was right there in the mix, Yeah,

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right there. And I know you were newly married, right

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you just got married?

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Well I had been. I had been married four years

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by that point.

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Did you have the truffer by that No, it was

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just prior to us having our first child.

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So we were concerned. I was concerned. Uh my wife

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actually fit that profile pretty.

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Pretty yours truly does.

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I don't want to give away I don't want to

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give away too much, but the dark hair and we

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almost it was nerve ruck.

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Yeah, it was.

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And so to really give you perspective on this, it

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didn't affect one parish. And we're parishes here, not counties.

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It didn't affect one parish. It didn't just affect two,

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It affected multiple parishes. Imagine one human being, one human

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being on this planet, instilling fear amongst that many people. Yeah,

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and it's like a needle in a haystack.

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It really is. I agree, one hundred percent.

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So let's get into the production of this a little

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bit and what you can expect. Number one, we have

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I would call it an award winning on this one.

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A musical score that is uh is set in the background.

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Of this series. UH.

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And when I tell you that, you put those headphones

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on and you lay back and you feel like you're

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there everything from the breathing, you know, there's a I'll

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give you one snippet of something that you can look

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forward to.

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UH.

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There's an aspect of a story that really stuck out

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to me where Kelly is describing a woman jogging around

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what's none as Lsu Lakes and you can actually hear

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the feet hitting the ground and you can hear the

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from the you know, breathing as you're as you're running.

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That's how much you will feel like you were right

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there in the moment. And that is something that you

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can really look forward to. And it goes a lot

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to the storytelling speaks a lot to that and the

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backend work that was involved.

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So if you're from here, and if you're not, I

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want to tell you this, majority of the time, if

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you look up this case or the or what was

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going on here, the media focused the typical general media

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focused on a relatively short period of time in comparison

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to everything that this guy was doing. And I'm gonna

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tell you everything from minor petty thefts up through you know,

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the most brutal of endings of people's lives that you

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could possibly imagine, because everything, to me mattered. I was

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going to start with his birth, just so y'all know,

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I'm starting with his birth and I'm going all the

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way through everything. So if like, like we said, you know,

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we had hundreds of people that came out to the

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live show, and I had so much fun doing the

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show and.

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People really enjoyed it.

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And so when I promoted the live show, so many

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people said, please live.

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Stream it, Please live stream it. Well, we weren't.

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We didn't have the capabilities at that time, based on

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just where we were with the show and the way

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that it was set up in the place that we

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had the show. That just wasn't an option. It wasn't

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because he didn't want to, just wasn't an option.

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For us at that time.

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Well now that's when we put our heads together, and

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I'll give credit hats off to Jim.

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in its totality, right, you know, it's so much more

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I'm listening.

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get this series, I know you can go on Patreon,

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you show upgrade. There's an upgrade button or something on

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the main page. Yeah, and you just upgrade to that

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metal level. If it's something that you do. Want to

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get this series early and commercial free in three days early.

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This one, we're giving you even I guess more juice

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you're going to be ready for number two, Ready for

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number three.

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I love to how it escalates.

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The series just flat out escalates the entire time. So

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we'll give you that background information and then you're just

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going to be right there with me. Something too that

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I wanted to go to these scenes of a lot

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of these crimes. I wanted to be there, and I

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wanted to take it in. I wanted to see it

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with my own eyes. And so I'm going to have

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more insight and perspective to give you the listener that

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I that if you know these stories, I don't think

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that it was imparted upon all of us exactly how

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it went down, and not out of out of malice

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or anything like that. It's just there was, you know,

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a story to be told. And if a woman was murdered, oh,

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this woman was murdered, well, proximity and where this took place,

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what it looked like all of this. Jim even rode

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with me to some of the locations. We rode together,

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and we circled around. Matter of fact, I think they

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thought we might have been case in the place. At

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one point his neighbors came out.

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Looking at us and look, they know where they live

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and they know what went down in that house we

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were looking at.

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And I will tell the listeners one thing. And one

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of the places.

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We visited was a graveyard in which an attack took

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place by Derek Toddley. And there's a big difference between

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telling a story and then telling a story after you've

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been there and you've seen it, and you smelled it,

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and you rolled on those rocks and gravel.

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Looked, you looked, your eyes lay where this killer stood,

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and you can see the path that he took with

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total clarity. So my goals are to give you all

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of it in its minute moments and also in its

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grandiose moments. And I'm also going to be putting a

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whole lot of photographs, a bunch of photographs, not only

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in current times, but in previous times, crime scene photos

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and files. I'm going to really try to if you

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want to know, If you want to know and it

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matters and you like all of that, you're going to

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really be blessed with the documentation that I was able to.

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Get and from the people, the investigators that wrote them.

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This was not documentation you can get on the internet.

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No, he one in particular, one investigator brought his entire

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file to me and let me look through the file.

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And so I just I hope you feel this as

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much as I have, because I took these killings personal,

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even though I was not, you know, related to these victims.

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I took it personal.

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Well you always do.

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I mean Kelly, Kelly dives into these stories to such

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an extent that she feels like she knows these people.

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I want to know them, yeah once, yeah, And so

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from that perspective, that's how she tells. And I'm going

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to tell you I'll tell everyone this, and this is

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one of the primary reasons we're doing this episode.

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This is bar none.

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And y'all know that I have produced a lot of podcasts.

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I've been very blessed to produce some pretty successful podcast

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in my day.

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I will tell.

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You this is bar none, the best series I have

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ever been involved in. Everything from the storytelling to the

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production is something you would expect out of a billion

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dollar company.

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I shit you not on that, folks.

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When you listen to this, you will think you're listening

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to a Netflix documentary but better. And Netflix puts together

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some pretty damn good documentaries, So get ready for this.

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Get excited for this. I feel like this is a

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new season of Yellowston. Most like people just looking.

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Forward to it. They can't wait to hear it. I'm

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telling you you.

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Your mind is going to be blown. I was in

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the room during this storytelling. I was behind the scenes,

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you know, editing this stuff after the fact, and I

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still couldn't believe what I was hearing when I listened

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to it.

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If I got one request, I got five hundred. Please

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do a series on this. Please do a series on this.

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And it's kind of funny.

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And I'm gonna go like kind of personal here, and

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I hope you don't get upset with me, but I

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kind of thought people might be burned out on him.

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That's that's a truth. That's the truth. I really did, because.

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Because you had told that you had dove into that story, yes,

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for that live to such a degree that it's not

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that you get burned out, but you were like, I

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already know the story, but I forgot to tell me

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that you know the.

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Story right, And I totally I'm telling you, I lost

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sight of that. I'm not perfect. I lost sight of that.

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And yeah, and it's human.

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Yeah, and Jim, you know looked me in the face

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and was like, girl, just cause you know five hundred

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people heard you tell a two and a half hour

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story does not mean that all of your listeners got

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to hear it. And it was like a light bulb

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went off and I was like, oh my god, you're right.

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That's right.

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And then, and not only that, even the five hundred

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that hurt it, you had to condense an entire, an entire,

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horrific ten year time period in the state of Louisiana.

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You had to condense that into two and a half hours.

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Now we're looking at over thirteen hours of content total

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for this series, and there's no condensing.

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You're going to get all the facts.

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There were things about victims that you were like, and look,

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I had to push.

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Because you know, Kelly likes to bring in the details

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I do.

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She likes to bring in details. She gets pissed when

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she can't bring the details. And I had to continuously

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remind Kelly that, hey, we've got limited time here. You

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can't go off on an hour tangent on one particular

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victim because we've got to tell all their stories and

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we've only got two hours to do it, essentially, and.

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There's a fine line between in my mind artistically, if

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I want to say at that land that sounds kind

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of cheesy, but there's a fine line between making sure

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I honor the victim in complete coverage and then you know,

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getting through the story. And so I've done my best

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to give you as much as I can. I hope

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that you can see these houses. I hope that you

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can feel the air. I hope you feel the rain,

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you know, because if you can't, that's part of the

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human experience. And why this affected so many people is.

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Because it could be me.

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Oh my god, I stood on that street. Oh wow,

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I walked that very path. You know.

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She looks like me.

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Yeah she Oh wow.

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She had she had a business three miles from my home. Jim,

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did you see what happened in Texas today?

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Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you

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what happened in New York.

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It cannot be as crazy as the case I told

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you about yesterday in Louisiana.

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You know what, we should do a podcast.

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About it, and with that we did.

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Crime War Weekly covers the crime news headlines that have

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dominated the week.

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We cover trending crimes from all over the country.

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And even sprinkle in a few globally.

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Crime War Weekly is available now wherever you listen to

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your podcasts.

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Simply by searching Crime War Weekly or clicking the link

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in the description of this podcast.

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You know and then come to find out, guys have

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if you've ever heard of six Degrees of separation, we've

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all hopefully heard that that saying before, but.

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Or Kevin Bacon, But believe it or not, those before, well.

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It used to. There used to be aff say.

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You'd say, name a movie with Kevin Bacon and you

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can talk any actor into that movie within six movies.

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Yeah, well it's true.

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Hey, to show you how strange it is. Well, well,

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my point was this that once I started telling, you know,

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some local friends of mine what I.

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Was doing, they knew these people or they uh won.

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My dad's best friend, his wife was very good friends

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with one of these victims. I never knew that because

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I was young. Why would I even think to ask that?

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But then you start you start looking and listening, and

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you realize just how completely and totally connected we all are. Hell, Jim,

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we we were meant to be friends real quick. I

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know we're talking about this series, but our our paths

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we learned crossed back from childhood.

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Yeah, and we never knew it. We shared the same friends,

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didn't do it.

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We went to the same high school, yeah, just years ago.

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He graduated before I ever got there. Yeah, I'm a

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much older you old, you old man, but we went

487
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:02.519
to the same high school.

488
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:04.920
He knew my grandpa. Jim knew my grandpa like.

489
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.960
You know, and so just that type of connection between

490
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:10.680
he and I and look at us today. You know.

491
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.920
He sold paint to companies that I went to and

492
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:16.799
dealt with and and worked for.

493
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:18.720
Not in a big scale, but like I did some

494
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:20.839
voice acting. I said one line anyway.

495
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:26.000
And he sold paint to are you ready you may

496
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:31.599
recognize this line from a from a Hallmark movie. Ready here,

497
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.440
let me help you with that.

498
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:36.240
But like he got the part.

499
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.119
Yeah, but uh, you know, he sold paint to that

500
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:40.960
same company. Like we just we talk about it all

501
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:43.200
the time, like God was trying to make us friends.

502
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.000
Yeah, we just had to get our.

503
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:51.200
And we come to find out we live literally across

504
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:52.119
the street from each other.

505
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:53.000
I never knew it.

506
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.799
So there's that, you know, and and that human aspect.

507
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:59.039
I'm just trying to tell you. I want these women

508
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.720
to matter. They still matter. And there's pieces and parts

509
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.920
of my own personal life that you're going to get

510
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:10.359
to hear throughout this series that directly connected to these women.

511
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:11.240
That's right.

512
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:16.200
And another exciting thing about this series is the interviews

513
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:20.160
that we were able to do with people boots on

514
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.240
the ground. The investigator David McDavid is out one of

515
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:29.160
the main characters, if you will, in this story, investigator

516
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.640
from Zachary, Louisiana. He was the chief of police at

517
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.359
one point, then he became the mayor of Zachary.

518
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:39.200
He started in the reserve program as a kid and

519
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:43.680
is now mayor of Zachary. He's gone through everything and

520
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:45.960
mad respect for that man, mad.

521
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.519
Respect and he was very integral in the Derek Todd

522
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:53.680
Lee story. We interviewed him, we recorded that interview. You're

523
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.920
going to get that Kathy font No tell me.

524
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:56.640
Yeah.

525
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:01.000
So, Kathy Fonto is an absolute hero of my and

526
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:04.559
when you think of mine, when you think about I

527
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:09.240
just I'm a strong believer in being a woman's woman. Okay,

528
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:13.920
we straighten each other's crowns and we don't drag each

529
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:14.279
other down.

530
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:15.480
And when people make mistakes.

531
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.359
I'm one of those friends that would rather tell you

532
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:20.200
in person, in private. I don't want to drag you

533
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.279
down in front of other people, just like I don't

534
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.920
want that done for me. Well, Kathy Fonteau was a

535
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.400
warden at Angola and she isn't anymore, but she was

536
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.920
at the time, and she actually hired me, and I

537
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.319
look up to her, I admire her, and she actually

538
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:40.680
was very a big part of who I am today.

539
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:42.799
She would probably roll her eyes at that, but.

540
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.119
You never know how a one or two hour interaction

541
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.640
with a young kid on a college campus can totally

542
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:53.079
change the trajectory of their life. And she was that

543
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.599
person for me. And she was a warden at Angola,

544
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:58.960
tough as nails, cute as a button.

545
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.880
Funny funny story on that, when you know, I never

546
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.440
I knew the legend of Kathy font No had a

547
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.720
lot of respect for her before I ever met her.

548
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:11.519
But you know, you develop a picture of someone in

549
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.720
your head, and I developed this picture and just from

550
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:17.480
hearing her reputation, I'm.

551
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.519
Thinking this, this woman six foot.

552
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:26.920
Tall, probably muscle bounds, yeah maybe kind of butch. And

553
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.119
she walked in here and this is an attractive woman,

554
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:30.759
and I'm.

555
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.039
Like, wow, she's a little shitty and a little bit.

556
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:40.079
And I almost stuttered when you walked in the room

557
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.720
because I'm like, wow, I didn't expect a good looking

558
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:45.680
woman to walk in here. And I don't mean that

559
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.200
any kind of negative way, but it's that was her

560
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:55.160
persona is just such a legendary persona, you know, being

561
00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:00.359
a warden at Louisiana's State Penitentiary in Gola with that

562
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.720
al yeah, makes you developed this picture. But we interviewed

563
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.279
her and she shared some insight into Derrick Toddley after

564
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.640
his incarceration that you can't get anywhere.

565
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.880
First firsthand experience and real quick. You know, you said,

566
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.559
you people build pictures of what people.

567
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:18.839
Look like all the time.

568
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.599
We don't. You know. I post pictures because I have to,

569
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.519
you know, but you know, I'm not someone who wants

570
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.920
my face on everything. But I posted a picture of

571
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.359
Jim and I at a concert recently, and the comments

572
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:30.960
were so funny because people.

573
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:32.400
Go, wait a minute, Jim looked.

574
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.319
I thought Jim was some skinny man with long blonde

575
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:36.319
hair and a mustag.

576
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.519
Jim's bald, and you know, like.

577
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.519
Solid ball, like I shaved my head, not bald, like

578
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:43.880
I got a what is it?

579
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.079
A fold over or.

580
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:50.400
Something fold over, stone cold bowl bald not yeah, stone cold,

581
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:51.799
Steve Austin or door.

582
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:58.160
Yeah, but get that when people people's one woman said, Wow,

583
00:30:58.279 --> 00:30:59.759
it's so strange to see your face.

584
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:01.599
I know your voice, but to see what you look like.

585
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:03.000
It's not what you know. It's just not what I

586
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.319
expect and so kind of interesting. But that's that's the

587
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.599
case here. And also I'm gonna tell you this, Derek

588
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.880
Todd Lee doesn't look anything like what anybody thought he

589
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:13.480
would look like.

590
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.000
No, And so that's a huge part of that story.

591
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.319
It's just why do't we build these expectations and then

592
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:20.559
they're totally shattered?

593
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:22.839
You know, it's very interesting how the mind works.

594
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:23.759
It really is.

595
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:28.559
And you know, another interesting thing about the DTL story, uh,

596
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.640
And we don't talk too much about this in the

597
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.680
series for obvious reasons, but Derek Todd Lee was one

598
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:40.279
of three serial killers running around in South Louisiana at.

599
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.160
The same time, all at.

600
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.680
The same time. Imagine the pressure on investigators.

601
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.359
Yeah, and Okay, so I know we're all watching the

602
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.240
ed gean Netflix thing that's out right now.

603
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.400
I watched the first one and I don't know, I.

604
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.160
Couldn't get it. I finished it. I finished it. Yeah,

605
00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:58.680
some some parts of it.

606
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.319
Yeah, I'm it's too weird for me.

607
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:01.720
Yeah.

608
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.279
I watched it because I wanted to see what they

609
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.720
what they expanded on, and maybe they took a lot

610
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.440
of liberties in that show, but a couple of points

611
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.559
it just got perverse just for the sake of perversion.

612
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.480
It felt like yeaing mom and naked.

613
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:18.880
Yeah, well you missed some other stiff too.

614
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:21.400
I was like, eh, I'm.

615
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.519
Good, but but no, like you know, the people that

616
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.000
are caught up in that type of that's a big

617
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:28.920
thing that again because of how horrific it was.

618
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:30.119
Well, we had three of.

619
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.079
Them things running around, you know in South Louisiana and

620
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.839
just investigators. How do you go look at at at

621
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.640
a at a death and then you go look at

622
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:39.960
another death, and then you look at another death and

623
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.200
you're like, well, is this the hallmark of this uncaught killer?

624
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.119
Or is it the hallmark of this uncaught killer? And

625
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.119
then they overlap. They had a job, they had a

626
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.039
huge job cut out for them at that time, and

627
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.839
we may we may need to extend series to talk

628
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:56.920
about those guys too.

629
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:57.920
Yeah.

630
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:03.160
Yeah, it was uh, it's just something folks that I

631
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:09.279
cannot impress on you enough how awesome it is. And

632
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.359
I know you would expect that from the people that

633
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.319
produced it and the people that hosted it. But I'm

634
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.519
telling you, when you hear this, you're going to be

635
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.880
blown away, and you're going to know the amount of

636
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.559
work involved, and you're going to know who.

637
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:25.240
You're going to know so much about.

638
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:27.720
This guy and what I tell you in this story,

639
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.160
and I mean this ten toes down.

640
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.799
Chest out. I have a lot of college age listeners.

641
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:33.160
I know that because they reach out to me and

642
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.920
they ask me for sources and things like that. If

643
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.880
you're in college and you're writing papers and you're you know,

644
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.480
in criminal justice or something, this series will give you

645
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:46.319
a ton of insight too, to expand upon and to

646
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.799
learn from. And I know that's kind of a weird

647
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.440
thing for me to pull out, but it's happening right now.

648
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.519
I've had a couple of people reach out recently. One

649
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.559
of my former student's message, I mean, she said, oh

650
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.559
my god, thank you so much, because I had sent

651
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.000
her a bunch of my sources and she did her

652
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.960
paper and Derek Tidler got a hundred percent too. Shout

653
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.640
out and then another friend of mine, uh jem, I

654
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.799
got sighted for the first time, formally sighted in a

655
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:11.880
writing right, Yeah, and I was.

656
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:13.719
She sent it to me, She's like, look, you're officially

657
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.719
a source. I was like, damn it, yes, you know,

658
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.320
the academic in me loved it. I loved it.

659
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.039
Yeah, that is awesome.

660
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.880
In the sultry heat of Louisiana, where the Bayous whisper

661
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.119
secrets and the air hangs heavy with the scent of magnolias,

662
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.519
a darkness lurked beneath the surface. Derek Todd Lee was

663
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.199
a man whose charm masked a sinister reality.

664
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:45.719
He was a monster.

665
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:50.079
Lee, a seemingly ordinary man with a disarming smile, led

666
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.599
a double life that would unravel in a series of

667
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.239
murders in the capital city of Baton Rouge and the

668
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:59.320
surrounding areas. As the first reports of disappearances and murders

669
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:03.119
began to surf, South Louisiana was thrust into a nightmare,

670
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:07.000
igniting a frantic search for answers. The true horror was

671
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.320
just beginning, and the hunt for a serial killer eventually

672
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.039
known by just three letters, would reveal not only the

673
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.679
depths of Derek Toddley's depravity, but also the resilience of

674
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.920
those most affected by his evil acts, the families and

675
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:20.800
the survivors.

676
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:22.480
This is DTL.

677
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.719
Look, we want to tell you right now. If you're

678
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:38.760
listening to this on the regular feed, this episode number

679
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:43.760
one is five days from today, so it drops Monday

680
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.079
for you. Obviously, we drop our shows at midnight, So

681
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.719
Monday at the struck of midnight, which some people say,

682
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.519
wait in that Sunday night. No, technically it's Monday, Moore.

683
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:55.039
I'm one of those.

684
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:55.840
I think it's Sunday.

685
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.920
Yeah, it blows people's minds. But midnight.

686
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.480
You're going to get that if you are a Patreon

687
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.519
member though, as I told you, you're going to get

688
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.440
this in two days. So if you're not currently a

689
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.320
Patreon member, go join the middle level or above right

690
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:17.280
now and you'll get to hear episode number one on Friday,

691
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.440
two days from today. Now, if you're listening to this

692
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:24.360
obviously on Patreon, well you're three days from today.

693
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.559
You'll too much math. Just yeah, just do your thing. People,

694
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:29.679
do your thing whatever makes you happy. You know.

695
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.639
I like to get down in and weed us with time.

696
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.679
So I hope y'all are excited I hope that you

697
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.440
are prepared and that you're ready to hear it all,

698
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.000
and that you really enjoy this and remember that these

699
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.039
victims are real people, and that these stories are being

700
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.039
told not with salaciousness, not with.

701
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:50.920
Theatrics, just for the sake of it.

702
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.360
I want you to know and I hope that it

703
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.480
can help mold you as an individual when you think

704
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.440
about the criminal justice system, when you think about victims rights,

705
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:02.039
when you think about families of victim, all of that.

706
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.760
That is why this has been so such a good

707
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:06.480
experience for me, because it's going to give you a

708
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.559
lot of insight that sometimes gets glossed over because people

709
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.239
don't want.

710
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:11.440
To hear it.

711
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:16.960
Right, And one more thing, Okay, share it, Yeah, Share

712
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:21.559
this podcast on your social media, this series on your

713
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.719
social media. If you enjoyed it, we want to get

714
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:26.800
as many guys on it as possible.

715
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:27.400
As y'all know.

716
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.639
kJ is all about the victims, telling the stories of

717
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.880
the victims, but nobody ever knows the victims. If not

718
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.960
enough people listen to it and hear it, the best

719
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.400
way you can get that out there is to share

720
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.199
this podcast. If you're hearing this right now, you're already

721
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:46.320
a fan, you're listening, you're loving unspeakable. We want to

722
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.920
get it to the people out there that are not

723
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.440
familiar with this show so that we can introduce them

724
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.599
to the victims in these cases.

725
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.440
That's right, because they are us, We are them, and

726
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.480
they matter. So thank y'all so much for this impromptu,

727
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.559
I guess conversational piece that we gave you this week,

728
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.679
and you can get ready because I got a lot

729
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.000
more content coming your way.

730
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.239
So until next time, I am Kelly Jennings.

731
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.880
Do you want me to say, I'm Jim Chaplin, I'm

732
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:16.000
Jim Chapman.

733
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.599
And this has been a terrible ending.

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We're going to end it like that.