Jan. 15, 2025

The Other Woman Part 2: Interview with “The Dadvocate”

The Other Woman Part 2: Interview with “The Dadvocate”

In this episode, host Jim Chapman continues with part 2 of “The Other Woman” joined by Lauren, “aka” The Dadvocate, a widely successful creator and someone who has an amazing grasp on this case. Together they delve into the complexities of infidelity,...

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Season 1

In this episode, host Jim Chapman continues with part 2 of “The Other Woman” joined by Lauren, “aka” The Dadvocate, a widely successful creator and someone who has an amazing grasp on this case. Together they delve into the complexities of infidelity, family court issues, and the controversial community surrounding cheating.

They explore Lauren's journey into advocating for fathers, the bizarre phenomenon of the 'other woman', and the real-life stories of those affected by infidelity. The conversation also touches on the legal implications of a recent lawsuit involving a TikTok creator, the ethics of infidelity communities, and the psychological aspects of cheating. Lauren (The Dadvocate) and Jim also explore themes such as the concept of twin flames, the role of coaching in relationships, and the cult-like nature of infidelity communities.

"The Dadvocate" on Tik-Tok
https://www.tiktok.com/@the_dadvocate?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc
"The Dadvocate" on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/the_dadvocateig/
"The Dadvocate" on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/@thedadvocate

Chapters
01:11 Introducing “The Dadvocate”
05:46 Journey into Family Court
08:27 The Other Woman
14:13 Chelsea Smallwood's Controversy
19:09 Legal Battles Unfold
28:23 The Role of Therapists
34:01 Chelsea's Coaching Claims
38:55 The Cheating Tree Explained
47:05 Cult-like Community Dynamics
55:14 What's Next in the Lawsuit?
1:00:23 Closing Thoughts and Future Updates

Podcast Disclaimer
The content of this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of any affiliated organizations or institutions. While we strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, we cannot guarantee the completeness, reliability, or suitability of the information discussed. The podcast does not constitute professional advice, and listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals regarding any specific issues or concerns. By listening to this podcast, you acknowledge that you understand and accept these terms. We are not liable for any actions taken based on the content provided in this podcast. Thank you for joining us, and we hope you enjoy the show!

Further Legal Note:
This Case has not been decided and all persons discussed in this podcast are assumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The civil charges expressed in this podcast are taken from public record and any commentary discussed are for informational purposes may or may not be the opinion of the host and/or producers of this podcast.

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Chelsea Smallwood Bio

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and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite.

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I am your host, Jim Chapman, and we are back

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with the second part in our The Other Woman series. Today,

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I have a legit superstar on the show, but before

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I introduce her, I want to let all of y'all

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know how I came across her. So a listener reaches

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out to me a few weeks ago and asked if

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I was familiar with a civil case filed by a

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web community called the Otherwoman Inthwife dot com, which honestly

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I was not, so they suggested I look into it.

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They were thinking it was going to be a good

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story for me to cover, so I did, and through

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this research, I'm led to a series of tiktoks. And

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the whole time I'm watching these tiktoks, I'm thinking three things. First,

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I'm thinking, holy shit, this is a wild ass story. Second,

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I'm thinking this TikTok creator is really good at what

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she does. And third, I'm thinking this TikTok creator has

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the most awesome hair color I have ever seen in

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my entire life. True story, And we're going to put

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this on video as well for the Patreon, so you

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can check that out. But with all of that, I

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want to introduce you to Louren. Everybody, and I mean everybody,

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millions of followers in fact know her as advocate. Welcome

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to Exposed.

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Thank you, thank you so much for having me.

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I'm super excited because literally, when I do Expose it's

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all about the research, and you may my research very easy.

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So thank you for doing that homework for me and

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make it so simple.

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It's really difficult, especially with a case like this, to

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even articulate it simply enough to put it into a

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short or a real So yeah, thank you for because

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it was challenging. But that's why I have, you know,

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the long form videos and the shorts, but it's a

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lot harder to make a short.

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Yeah. Look, it will take me literally like an hour

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to do a TikTok video because I'll get halfway through

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and then get aggravated and start over. I'm like, the

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angle ain't right?

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So true. People will ask like how long does it

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take you to film a short? And it's like, you know,

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you're only seeing ninety seconds, but there's a lot.

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Yeah, I can actually go into it one hundred percent. Now,

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before we get into what we're going to talk about

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kind of extensively today with this part two, I want

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to give listeners maybe a view from fifty thousand feet

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of who you are and what you do. Maybe how

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did you get into doing this?

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Oh? Yeah, so I'm originally the advocate is kind of

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my handle, and I originally started talking about family court issues.

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You know, I married a single father, and so I

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kind of watched him get put through the ringer despite

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seemingly doing everything right. You know, he kind of became

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a father unexpectedly, and yet he moved two hundred and

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fifty miles away to go be as close to this

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kid as possible, was paying the child support, showing up

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for all the sports, the events, seeing this kid every

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single day. And so when one of my friends was like,

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you should really date this guy. He really likes you

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have so many common interests, I was like, yeah, but

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he's a dad like that. That's scary, you know, right.

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I saw him with his kid every single day, and

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I thought it was amazing. And then it was like

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the second that he was like, hey, I'm serious about someone,

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there's going to be a new woman involved in our

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child's life. Everything changed. And this was when I learned

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like what a wild West family court can be. And

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I learned that, you know, if you are an unmarried father,

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you don't have custody in forty five out of fifty states,

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and so the only thing you can really fight for

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is visitation. If you want custody, you have to prove

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that they're unfit. Started finding out all this other stuff

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started snowballing into like, you know, you, even if you

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prove that you're not the biological father, but you signed

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the birth certificate, that's your sentence for paying child support

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for the rest of your life. I just went down

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a rabbit hole. So basically, I was like, you know,

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I really want to be a voice for other people

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who are kind of silently suffering in this space of

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like crazy family, court men, women, children, everybody is getting

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messed up by this stuff. And that kind of snowballed

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itself into then talking about kind of difficult to discuss

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marital issues, relationship issues. I often call it like joking

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about the stuff we fight about.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And so this case in particular, I couldn't tell you

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exactly how I found Chelsea or what the exact video is,

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but I think I remember the exact video. I found

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this video of this lady who proudly, smugly calls herself

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the other woman and the wife, and I you know

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that's got to be.

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On purpose to me, Yeah, yes, totally. How her personality

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comes off, I mean just arrogant, you know.

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which is the song itself is pointing out flaws and

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feminist logic. There's like this whole lyric about like, you know,

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you saw a spider and you expected me to take

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care of it, and yet you're supposed to be the

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strong independent woman. Essentially is like the joke of the song.

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And she does this thing where she changes the lyrics

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to fit an affair, and it was all stuff like,

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you know, you claim that you love me and yet

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you won't let me cheat on you, And I'm like,

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what is this lodge? You know? Like she has this

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very It's funny. A long time ago, I found this

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website that someone made called the New Age Hippie Bullshit

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Generator right translator for like hippie rhetoric, and I feel

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like that's what she is using to justify affairs, because

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the more I dove into her content, the more is

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her being like, oh, you're not a cheater, You're a

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person experiencing infidelity. And I'm like what. And yet simultaneously,

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while my brain is going this is so obviously insane,

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I'm looking and I'm seeing like almost one hundred thousand followers,

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and I don't know if she like was filtering the comments,

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but on a lot of these videos it felt like

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there was there's a lot of support. Like I would

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go in there and there would be people would be like,

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thank you, my affair saved my life, or like thank you,

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my affair really freed my soul. And I'm like, what

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what this bizarre? And so I decided this was a

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few months ago. You know, I do my live streams,

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and I'll usually go live for like three maybe four

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hours at a time with my homies and the chat,

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and I decided I'm going to cover Chelsea Smallwood and

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the other woman and the wife because I just felt

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like there was so much to pick apart. I'm like, really,

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look at this lady, Like these videos are ridiculous, and

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I just wanted to criticize all the things that I

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was seeing, the fallacies that were happening. And I did

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the stream, had a great time with it, didn't even

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get to cover half of what I wanted to, honestly,

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and all of a sudden, my email just starts pouring

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in from essentially the victims of Chelsea Smallwood. It was

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like that scene from Mean Girls where they're all in

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the cafeteria and who here has been personally victimized by

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Regeta George, and everyone raises there, yes, and what I

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had pieced together from all these dozens and dozens of

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betrayed spouses, I'm hearing the craziest stories, Like I'm hearing

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from men who find out through like a calendar event,

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their wives being like, oh, important, like work meeting, and

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they come to find out it's a meeting on this

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other woman website and that's how they found out that

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their wife is cheating on them. I'm hearing from wives

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who are like yeah, Like these women were all publicly

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making fun of me. They would take my comments about

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being a hurt spouse, and I'm piecing all this all together.

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I saw some of these videos, you know. There was

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one where she was responding to a comment of a

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woman going as someone who is cheated on there is

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no good reason to she and she responds to it.

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She goes verry smuggly as someone who has she did

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on someone. I don't care, O.

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God, is so just typical of what you would think.

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That's exactly what you would think. She would say, you know,

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just I will say this. When I was putting together

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my episode, one thing that she did, and we'll kind

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of talk about that a little bit, was she apparently

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mass deleted a bunch of things on her TikTok around

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the same time that I was prepping for that episode.

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And one of the things, so I lacked a lot

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of context in a lot of cases, you know, Like

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I knew about the yeah right, And I knew about

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the text message that she had read originally that related

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to the lady that she was suing, which is ironic

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in and of itself, but that she read a text

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and that it was verbatim, But I didn't have the

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actual text, So all I knew was kind of the

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cold hard fact of it. Out of the lawsuit that

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was mentioned that being said, you did a video and

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you happen to save that. It must have saved the

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TikTok at some point because you did a video where

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you showed it, and oh man, when I tell y'all,

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it was one of the most condescending things, the way

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that she was reading it. When I didn't have the context,

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I'm like, well, I mean, you can read a text.

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It's you know, there's nothing illegal technically about that. Maybe

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morally wrong, but legally you can read a text. However,

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I didn't have the context of how she was reading it.

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It was I guess the term bitchy would be kind

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of light for that. It was very condescending, very condescending,

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almost making fun. Well, she was making, in my opinion,

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making fun of Kristen for you know, even sending that text.

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I guess, what did you think about it?

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Yeah, I completely understand what you mean about how difficult

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this can all be to understand without context. And that's

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why I think it's so fascinating that, you know, I

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had kind of clung on to Chelsea prior when I

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made that three hour long live stream. I saved even

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more videos because there was so much that I wanted

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to react to, and so it was it was perfect

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that I ended up being that kind of crazy and

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such a screenshot queen and a safe because when you're

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doing TikTok reaction stuff for long enough and you see

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something like this juicy, you get in the habit of

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like saving right away because you never know when people

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are just gonna pull a Chelsea and delete all of

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their stuff off of the Internet. And so I'm having

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all of these emails and I'm like, oh, you have

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no idea, what's going on? Like she's been targeting this

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poor girl, reading her text messages and someone was like,

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you even read some of them, you even reacted to

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some of them on your stream, and I'm like wait

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did I like, wait, which ones you know? And so

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as the days and weeks have progressed since I even

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found out there was a lawsuit, because that was one

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of the emails, like hey, did you know there's even

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a lawsuit involving this woman? And I'm like, no, lost

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in my ass down there to start trying to figure

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it all out, you know, and the and the more

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I dove in, I was like, you know that scene

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where Charlie Kelly from Always Sonny in Philadelphia is going

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crazy with the cold cord and the red string and

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I'm tying everything together. And that's when I started realizing

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because I had also taken a lot of screenshots of

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her comment sections because I wanted to react to the

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fact that like, look at these supporters, look at these

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people supporting this, This is crazy. And I started to

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like piece together the names and like see a lot

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of common things, and that's when I realized, like, wait,

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I know the husband's name. Now you know Unfortunately, it's

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mentioned all throughout the court records, you know, several times,

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and stuff like that. We've pieced these things together. Once

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I realized that she said Jason at the end instead

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of Justin, which is Kristen's husband's name, I was like,

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this is the one. This is the one that's referenced

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in the lawsuit. And what's so interesting is now we

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have Kristen's countersuit and we now have Chelsea's response that

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she's just filed on January third, And one of Kristen's big,

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big claims is, you know, you agreed in your terms

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of service of the other Woman rules. It's just so

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crazy to stay out loud the rules. You know, you

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are not supposed to be using personal private identifying information

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to bully or harass other members. And yet you did,

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and yet Chelsea is saying no, I didn't. Well, simultaneously,

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you know, we have the text message referenced and saying

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that it was used to disparage the wife, the betrayed spouse,

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and paint her in a negative light. And I guess

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that's kind of up to opinion. But you know, your

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response Now that people are actually able to review the

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video and see the video. I think it's a pretty

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common agreement that she's painting the wife to look like, Oh,

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you're the crazy one, you're the delusional one to think

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that this isn't a valid romance.

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There's no doubt about it, especially the way, and that's

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why I prefaced how just rudely it was read. Uh,

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you can tell by the condescending nature what the intent

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was there. There's no doubt about it. This wasn't someone

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on ABC News just reading a news article and having

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no emotion one way or the other. You know, this

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was this was absolutely, in my opinion, intent to disparage

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someone and really just just be ugly, just destroy them

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even more. And people forget, or some people forget, especially

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the people on her site, forget that there are victims

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on the side of this woman was cheated on. She's

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going through enough. She's going through enough just with that

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alone breaks most people.

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And you know, it's funny you say that too, before

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I get into like especially the part of that video

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and reading the text messages. Just that really pissed me off.

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But it's funny you say that and address that too,

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these real victims. It's wild to me that Chelsea would

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not expect such a strong counter suit when we have

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been hearing all our lives hell, hath no fury like

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a woman scorn? You really think you can with betrayed

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spouses and they're not gonna right.

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Yeah, I don't want I don't want the brun into that.

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You know. Uh, I have enough women in my life

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that I know. I don't want to piss them off,

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and they will come for you. And look, you know

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in that lawsuit we also mentioned, uh, pictures of children involved.

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I'm a bear comes out. Yeah, I mean that. Then

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it's really serious. Then it's uh, I'm really gonna come

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at you hard and heavy. I think that from and

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I'm totally just spitballing here, but I think from Chelsea's standpoint,

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she thought that Kristen was going to be very intimidated

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because maybe she's a lawyer, you know, a company and

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I've got all these lawyers, and uh, I'm gonna intimidate

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you by by slapping you with this lawsuit and you're

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not gonna have a response that you're just going to

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shut up and whatever. And that's not what happened. Obviously.

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She even tried that with you a little bit.

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I was gonna say it continues to not happen because

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she hit me with the seasoned desist.

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That is crazy.

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I'm gonna frame it.

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You should frame it. You should frame it that there

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is no world that she could even push that in

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a courter wall you there's nothing wrong with you reporting

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on a lawsuit. You don't have to cease and desist.

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But what I loved about what you did was you

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came right back at her, and you're like, you know,

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a nitpicking the thing apart.

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All of the claims were ridiculous. First of all, you're

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not going to come at me and say that I

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defamed you. You can't come on the internet, go on

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the most public and popular social media website and make

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a real called all the things your husband did with

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me while he was in an affair, cheating on you

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while dancing and mocking to the trade spouses, and say

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I ruined your image by telling the people that you

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did that. Please. Second of all, she tries to claim

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in the cease and desist that because I used the

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words in one of my YouTube videos that I snuck

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into her community, that that is an admission that I

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joined her community and I'm now legally bind by her

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terms of service, and I was like, I literally just

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met that. I went into your comment section and literally,

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in the same video that she cites, I said the

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multiple times I've never been in this community. I didn't

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join the community. I looked into joining the community, but

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I never joined the community, over and over and over again.

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So it's like, that's your evidence is kind of contradicting.

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Yeah, you don't have to follow her rules.

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That was crazy, absolutely insane.

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In another example of her trying to exert a four

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for someone, in my opinion, by using legal tactics as

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a fear tactic, she's trying to scare you.

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Mortually at every turn that she has been trying to

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bully people and silence them and put them down and

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make them feel inferior. She just keeps telling on herself

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and digging her own grave because by just spitballing and

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throwing darts and hoping to see where they land. By

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like trying to gauge my reaction of accusing me of

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joining her website secretly, what she is revealing is that

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she has literally no idea who is in and out

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of her website. She has no clue her Her website

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is so insecure And this is another big point that

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I'm trying to drive home is that not only is

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the entire premise immoral, but even if you are a

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cheater who's looking for like a safe space to go,

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this isn't.

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It right now? They're they're a bad influence. Let's put

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it that way. They're not even good for cheaters if.

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You're looking for that, like even if you are looking

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to marinate in that to be like how can I

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get better at this? How can I become a more

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sneaky cheater? Like It's so it's still not smart for

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you to do that, because we've seen that this place

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has experienced data breaches. I've heard multiple people say, you know,

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like I would love to join anonymously just to see

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what's happening. We saw what happened with Ashley Madison getting

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a data breach, and we've seen Chelsea admit herself she

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doesn't know what's going on, she doesn't know who's actually

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joining or not. You know, I would not feel good

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about joining such a community knowing how what's the word

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I'm looking for in danger? I guess explosively flammable.

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It is right, and you know, before I'm really looked

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into it. I questioned the success of it because I

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just I just couldn't believe. I couldn't believe that a

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community like that could be really that successful. Like how

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many people are actually joining? And from what you said,

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they definitely have members they or did at some point.

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Yeah, I could only venture a guess based on you know,

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how many people it seemed were like commenting on her

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videos or speaking from that perspective. But I will say this,

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you know, at this current moment, if there is a

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sudden influx of members, like I would not look at

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that as a good thing.

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Yeah, I would not. I would not either. And as

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a matter of fact, she you posted about a rebrand

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that she did, and you were ready for the big reveal, right,

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the big announcement of all these great things, which from

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her standpoint to me, is not really something she'd want

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to be bragging on right now, because her claim is

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that her business was hurt by all these accusations as

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she laid on Kristen. However, she's having the best year

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she ever had and we're you know, we're making money.

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Ham'm ever fist and how do you you know, how

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do you make those two things make sense? They can't.

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Either you're losing money or you're not.

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I don't think this woman is capable of a rebrand.

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And it's been so ironic to me that her whole

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advertised purpose is to help others heal from infidelity. But

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how can you claim that you're even able to do

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that when you clearly have not yourself healed from infidelity?

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If it's been ten years since the affair, since this

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man left his wife for you, and you're supposed to

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have won, and yet here you are, still on the

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internet making these dancing videos, trying to get one over

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on her, and you know, shape this narrative that she

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is the problem. You know, she's on this Jubilee panel saying, God,

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this was the worst. She says on the Jubilee panel

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of is it always wrong to cheat? That there are

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no victims in an affair, Everyone plays a role. He

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made him cheat. Why did you? Why did you have

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to make your wife cheat on you? Come on? You know,

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and here she is with this this rebrand, right. I've

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looked at some of her content. She's put up some

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new videos that's supposed to be part of the rebrand,

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and yet nothing seems to have changed. She got really

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mad at me and the seasoned assist for saying that

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her company seems to be teaching cheaters a better rhetoric

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to guess like their spouses with. She didn't like that

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label of it all. But all of her new content

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is excuses for cheating. Essentially, she uses the Ashley Madison

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situation and she's like, well, you know, someone on alive

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for themselves as a result of being outed as a cheater,

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So that's why you can't out cheaters. And I'm like, okay, okay,

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So you know what, Murdering people brings people a lot

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of shame, So it's best if we just don't tell

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people that they murdered because I want them to feel her.

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That'll cause pain, right.

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Are you kidding me?

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Or what's another one of her excuses she's come out

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with now is oh, well, a lot of the women

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that I counsel, she generously calls life coaching counseling.

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Uh.

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She tries really hard to like like basically fan fiction

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her way into being a therapist. She's just a lot

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of the women that I counsel, they've been threatened that

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if they leave, you know, he'll hurt her. And it's like, well,

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if you're really in a situation like that, don't you

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think you're making it ten times more dangerous by having

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an affair instead.

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Yeah, and being part of and being part of a

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website that, uh, you know, I don't want to I

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don't want I don't know. I have no direct knowledge

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of whether they encourage it or how it exactly works

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in that community. But being a part of that site

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is increasing your risk. There's a more likelihood that you're

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going to get caught the more steps you're taking. And

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and so you know, nobody is saying, I'm sure there

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are people in this world and that have cheated in

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their life and they're not necessarily the most horrible people

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in the world. They made a mistake. I know people

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that have worked out marriages after an affair, uh, because

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it was a signal of something else was wrong in

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the marriage. And you know, sometimes it's maturity. Sometimes it's

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just dumb ass decisions. Whatever. Somebody made a dumb ass decision.

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But when you join a community to get that reassurance

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that it's okay that you did it, you're getting the

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wrong advice. That would be like a serial killer going

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to another serial killer and saying, look, I mean, we

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both like to kill people. You know, we're normal. It's

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okay to do this. I can relate to you killing people.

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You're getting advice from other people that are doing the

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same thing. Why don't you go to somebody that's going

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to take you the truth that it's wrong and that

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here's how you need to, you know, work on it,

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work on your marriage.

455
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Sort of funny. Yeah, that's exactly what I've been thinking of.

456
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:44.200
It's like if instead of alcoholics anonymous, where like you're

457
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.799
taking steps to get out of it, you just go

458
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.440
drinking with a bunch of other people who have already

459
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.960
admitted they have alcohol problems. But you're like, well, we

460
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.480
don't want to feel shame about this, so we'll just

461
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:02.119
talk about drinking while drinking for one of us that's drinking.

462
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:08.640
Yeah great, Yeah, I mean that's exactly what it is. Uh.

463
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:13.079
You know, she she claims to counsel people. I don't

464
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:17.039
know if she uses that term. Uh, but she doesn't

465
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.759
have a degree in this. This isn't something. As a

466
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.640
matter of fact, I covered her what she did before

467
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.799
she did this. I heard she worked for like Meta

468
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:31.119
for a very very small frame of time, and before

469
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:34.279
that she was in a totally different sector of the world.

470
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.240
She wasn't, uh, you know, working as a counselor for

471
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.799
anyone doing it. She has no education on that front,

472
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.440
so all she has is her experience with doing it. Yeah,

473
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:46.240
I mean, that's it.

474
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.400
It's a very biased perspective which I've pieced together from

475
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.079
watching her own content. You know, her whole shick seems

476
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.200
to be, you know, I got a married man to

477
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.480
leave his wife and the children they bore together away

478
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.920
in a four in country for me and you can

479
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.279
too write. And that's so interestingly paired with something that

480
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.039
she vocalizes, you know now memorialized on the Jubilee panel,

481
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.640
where she doesn't believe that it's possible for a person

482
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.039
to cheat on someone they love, which was a very

483
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.079
unpopular opinion on that panel. I was even like, I

484
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:25.359
actually disagree with that myself, but hearing her say that

485
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.000
plays into a lot of why I felt like her

486
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:32.759
content was so dangerous, because this is just my opinion.

487
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.400
She seems to be of the mindset that by the

488
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.640
time a woman is having an affair with a man,

489
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.279
that means that neither of them actually love their spouses,

490
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.559
and that they're actually meant for each other, and so

491
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:47.680
it becomes that's the way that it has struck me.

492
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.400
She gets very offended when people say that an affair

493
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:55.359
is just limerens, that it's just an addiction to attention.

494
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:57.759
She's like, no, people don't cheat on people that they're

495
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.319
in love with. You know, what you have with you're

496
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:05.160
a fair partner, is a real love and worthy of pursuing.

497
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.599
That is so wrong. That is so wrong.

498
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:11.119
And it's like, it's not to say that some people

499
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.200
don't leave their spouse for their fair partner and it

500
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:15.440
works out, but it's like.

501
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:21.880
I would and I would say it's a very low percentage. Uh.

502
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.880
And I will also say, you know, obviously she's a female.

503
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:26.640
Uh.

504
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.680
Females and males think completely differently in life. I've been

505
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.759
married twenty six years and I still ain't figured my

506
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:37.200
wife out, you know, but we we make it work

507
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:43.000
and and uh and all of those things. But I

508
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.519
can say from a man's perspective, because she she can't

509
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:51.079
give a male's perspective on that. Of course, I know

510
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.680
a lot of guys that have went down that road

511
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.960
at one time or another in their life. And it's

512
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.839
sadly but uh, almost none of the time was it

513
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.480
because I love this girl and I don't love my

514
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.680
wife anymore. And it was almost always an ego trip

515
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.839
for them and a game. It was a I want

516
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.359
to see if I can get this girl into me,

517
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.240
and once the girl got into the guide, they got

518
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:21.720
nervous and backed off. Sometimes emotional cheating. Yes, but she

519
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:26.319
is so far off off the beaten path, saying that

520
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.359
that doesn't happen. That people cheat because they're looking for

521
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.880
love in another direction, not the ones, at least that

522
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.440
I know that I have done that.

523
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.519
Yeah, it's very much. Are you at all familiar with

524
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.119
the whole twin flames cults?

525
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:46.200
I am somewhat familiar with. Explain it for our audience.

526
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.880
Yeah, yeah, I'll try to TLDR short story. So this

527
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:53.079
was kind of They obviously didn't advertise as a cult.

528
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.200
Cults typically do not advertise themselves as cults, but they

529
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:01.319
were a highly religious group that on the idea that

530
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.200
every person has a twin flame and that person is

531
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:09.400
your true love. And what it essentially turned into was

532
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:13.039
coupling the strong dependence on religion that a lot of

533
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:18.079
vulnerable or deeply indoctrinated people have with their also vulnerable

534
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.720
and indoctrinated ideas of love and people who were deeply

535
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.839
craving love, and so what it kind of turned into

536
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:29.359
was like a deeply religious matchmaking service where it was like,

537
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.039
we can find your love for you, and we promised

538
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:33.640
this as your love for you. God says it's the

539
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.200
love for you. So be together and keep doing to

540
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.319
our church and tell everybody that you found your love

541
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.799
through us. And it got like there were just so

542
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.559
many off branches, like they even had run out of

543
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.920
men at one point, so they told one of the women, Okay,

544
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.640
well you know your twin flame is this other woman,

545
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:51.160
but it's only because one of you is supposed to

546
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:52.960
be a man, So pick who's going to transition. And

547
00:32:53.000 --> 00:33:02.440
everyone's like wait, So the whole parallel that myself and

548
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.839
some others are drawing with this now is with these

549
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.759
kinds of ideas of like, well, if you cheat, it

550
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.880
means you can't love your spouse, and so it's really

551
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.039
worth it to pursue this relationship with this person. It

552
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.400
makes you wonder, like, what's really going on with these

553
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.000
coaching calls, what's really going on with this community? Is

554
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:29.240
Chelsea taking advantage of vulnerable people in the peak of

555
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.200
their affair, who are desperate for some kind of answer

556
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.200
and for someone to tell them something other than it's

557
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.519
not going to work out. You're not going to end

558
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.559
up with them long term. And she's like, no, you can't.

559
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.039
You can end up with your fair partner. They will

560
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.920
leave their wife and children for you. Eventually. You just

561
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.839
gotta hop on a coaching call. You just gotta someone with,

562
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:55.480
someone with some experience. And obviously I've never paid for

563
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:59.039
a coaching call. I do not know what this entails,

564
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.920
but I have her her talk to people on podcasts.

565
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.720
I've heard her, you know, react to comments and videos

566
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.799
and things like this, and I remember on one of

567
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.840
them she has this lady Mama call who now does

568
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.079
not like me on Facebook had ticktag if you see

569
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.840
some of those updates. She's on the podcast and she's

570
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.519
talking about her like long affair with a married man

571
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.000
and how she meets him on a dating website and

572
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.119
she finds out that he's talking to all these other women.

573
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:31.880
And at one point, Chelsea's like, well, how do you

574
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.920
know that you you weren't special to him? How do

575
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:35.719
you know that you like worked the one for him?

576
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.639
And she's like because I met him on a dating

577
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:42.400
website where a bunch of other people lying about being married.

578
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.639
Like it really does feel like she's trying to convince

579
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.719
people like, no, you belong with this person, not their

580
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:54.039
stupid dumb wife. You wouldn't have cheated if she was

581
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:55.000
a decent person.

582
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:59.559
She must be the problem, right And you know it

583
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.719
said was are you bring that up to me? When

584
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.800
I see all of this from fifty thousand feet, I

585
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.159
look at it and I'm like, how there's no shame

586
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.599
with these people that are in this, in this community.

587
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.280
You would think if they're gonna go ahead and take

588
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.400
that step and be in it, they would want no

589
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.239
one to know about it. They're out there doing podcast

590
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.880
with her. Yeah, let's get on a podcast and talk

591
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:29.199
about how awesome I am for cheating with this married man,

592
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.920
you know, and wrecking an entire home and doing all

593
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.440
these things. They're proud of it. How that to me

594
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.920
is It's like, what world are we living in that

595
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.039
you don't even try to hide.

596
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:47.239
It's all part of it. Literally, Truly, I hate to

597
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.760
keep calling it a cult, but the more I've over

598
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:51.840
in this, like when I first started getting into it,

599
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.360
the initial emails people were like, you have no idea,

600
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.079
it's like a cult, and I'm like, okay, you're being

601
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:57.920
a little dramatic. And then as the days went on,

602
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.639
I was like, this is like a cult, convinced that

603
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.599
it's like the most beautiful part about it is with

604
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.440
a lot of these cults, it usually takes time to

605
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.880
trick the people into like revealing all of their secrets.

606
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.159
But Chelsea's kind of a genius because she's built it

607
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.320
directly into the business model. Is the moment you join,

608
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.599
you're giving up your deepest, darkest secrets by admitting that

609
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.079
you're cheating on your husband or you know, with some

610
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.719
other person's spouse. Like he's already got that part out

611
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.400
of the way. And you know, the more you analyze this,

612
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.840
it just feels like every way that she designed this

613
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.760
business is designed to allow her to farm this affair

614
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:41.559
drama from people and use it for her own monetized

615
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:45.920
purposes on TikTok, on her podcast without Repercussion, you can

616
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.639
see it in the terms of service that I've now

617
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.119
over analyzed. It has all this stuff of like your

618
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.079
story maybe used for things and you allow that to happen.

619
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.800
And the one that I just noticed is that when

620
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:00.360
you join, you agree that you will never be part

621
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.719
of a class action lawsuit. Really, yes, think about that

622
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.199
with Ashley Madison. Tons of those people whose data was

623
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.599
leaked in the breach, they got major payouts because of

624
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:15.239
a class action lawsuit. Chelsea, you learned from that, And

625
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.360
I was like, I'm not going to let any of

626
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.679
these people get a red set when I fuck them

627
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:21.159
over her.

628
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.119
Yeah, and that is a total fuck over. And you

629
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.559
know it's nobody. Nobody almost ever reads terms of service

630
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:33.519
right you join a website. If if I sign up

631
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.800
for Amazon or eBay or something like that, I'm not

632
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.639
going to read the terms of service. But if you're

633
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:41.480
signing up for a cheating website, you may want to

634
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.400
read them. You may want to read them and review them.

635
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.599
And this is a good example of someone that has

636
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:53.159
completely taken away your legal right to recourse through her

637
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.519
terms of service should you seek that? And that's scary,

638
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:03.159
that's that's you know. I signed a contract years ago

639
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.039
when I first started podcasting for a company and I'm

640
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.760
not going to name the company obviously, but one of

641
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.519
the terms of that contract had a non disparagement clause,

642
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:18.960
and I had no idea what non disparagement was, I assumed, Yeah,

643
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.840
with disparagement, whether they did it or not, you can

644
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:26.320
never talk about it. So they could totally screw you over,

645
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.159
and you have all the proof in the world of that,

646
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.280
and you can never speak of that company screwing you over.

647
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.559
Most people don't do their homework. Unfortunately, when they signed

648
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.880
these things, I was one of them. I learned from it,

649
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.079
and when I was out of that contract, I said,

650
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.519
I'll never sign a non disparagement again because that almost

651
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.760
gives someone a license to screw you over. You know,

652
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.599
it's just the way of the world in that industry.

653
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.360
But I'll tell you I made a chart because when

654
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.400
I when I did my podcast, it was almost there

655
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.280
were so many moving parts that people would message me

656
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.199
and say, well, who was married to who? And And

657
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:13.960
you also did your video is hilarious where you had

658
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.400
the drawings of and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna show

659
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:20.840
you exactly this is Kristen. She's married to Jason. Jason

660
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:26.119
cheats on Kristin with Olivia, and you go through the whole,

661
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.000
the whole deal. It is just awesome. I'm going to

662
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:33.719
actually link y'all some of the her tiktoks to the

663
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.039
description of this video, so you can go check out

664
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.440
what we're talking about. But uh, I call it the

665
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.960
cheating tree, and it's I most like the family tree,

666
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:48.840
but it's the cheating tree, and it really breaks down.

667
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.880
I did not realize that Olivia was also married until

668
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:55.039
you did that video.

669
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.880
That was another thing that so many pieces keep clicking together,

670
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.800
and like the retrospect of it all as I'm going

671
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:08.639
through this, and you know, what I had understood was that,

672
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.679
you know, Olivia was recently divorced and that was why

673
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.599
she was receiving so much comfort from Kristen's home. I

674
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.559
did not realize that the affair began before her divorce,

675
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:26.639
and so there were many many pieces to the messy story.

676
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.039
But one thing I do want to clear up is

677
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:33.320
there was some confusion. Some people believe that Kristin also cheated.

678
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.599
And from everything that I have heard, there is no

679
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.440
reason for me or anyone to believe that Kristin cheated.

680
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.400
Yeah, and if there were any evidence or in my opinion,

681
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:51.039
if that would have been true, certainly, certainly Olivia and

682
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:55.239
Chelsea would let that be known. Right at this point,

683
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.880
they would have solid proof that she was cheating as well.

684
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.760
And because they're not hesitating to put anything out there

685
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.679
that they have to further embarrass this person. He's been

686
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.159
through a lot as it is.

687
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.519
And can we talk about this this thruple defense that

688
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:18.079
is being like perpetuated in the comments is Chelsea's supporters

689
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:22.000
while while few in number are all over these videos

690
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:28.199
trying to make this argument. Oh well, Kristen actually invited

691
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:32.840
Olivia into her marital bed to have a thruple and

692
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:38.840
got upset when Jason chose Olivia, and that's what blew

693
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.519
this up. And so how can you welcome a woman

694
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:45.199
into your marital bed and expect to not get cheated on?

695
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:51.159
Let's break that one apart. Pieces. There's a lot to

696
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:54.440
talk about when it when it comes to consent, ladies,

697
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:57.719
let's start here to all of these these mothers of

698
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.960
children making this argument. By the way, if you tell

699
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.440
a man that he can have sex with you one time,

700
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.000
does that mean that he can grab your body into

701
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.719
whatever he wants with it from now until all of eternity,

702
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:16.320
no matter what, obviously fing and not so even if

703
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:21.800
and there is once again no evidence to point to

704
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.599
this way outside of I'll actually tell you about one

705
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.400
picture that they're desperately trying to use as evidence that

706
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:32.280
a thripple definitely occurred, and that's why Kristen deserves all

707
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:37.159
of this. Apparently, even if Kristen said, you know what,

708
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:41.679
let's try opening this up a little bit, that doesn't

709
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:44.239
mean that she's like, okay, Well, that means that I

710
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:48.280
deserve it if people go behind my back and then

711
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:52.199
post about it to a private community with identifying the

712
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:56.880
photos of myself used for comparison purposes for strangers to

713
00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.519
say who's hotter the wife or the lady the husband's

714
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:06.519
cheating with? Like, yeah, obviously that does not excuse the

715
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.920
rest of those things. And the fact that like I

716
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:13.320
have to explain this to grown women tells me we

717
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.079
need more access to mental health care.

718
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:21.280
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's absolutely insane. And look, those

719
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:28.159
are obviously two different things that they are conflating. Uh,

720
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.239
if if they were in well let's play Devil's advocate,

721
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.079
because we're kind of kind of heating on that. If

722
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:40.199
they were swingers and this third person, Hey, we're going

723
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.400
to have a swing night, and and this third person

724
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.679
came in their bed and and they had this swing night, whatever,

725
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:54.679
even swingers will say that without permission is cheating. So

726
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:59.039
if it happened one time, that doesn't mean okay, from

727
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:00.880
here to the end of time, you can screw my

728
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.719
best friend. That just means I let you screw my

729
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.440
best friend this one time. Yes, I have.

730
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.159
A ton of polyamorous people in the comments who are like.

731
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:14.119
No, damn yeah, they would be insulted by that comment.

732
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.960
I mean, I mean that a swinging community would be

733
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:20.159
offended about that. I've interviewed people in that community. That's

734
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:26.920
that's uh definitely something that that is against their rules.

735
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:28.000
I guess you could say.

736
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.159
But and get this. Here's the other hilarious part. As

737
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.960
I say, every time they try to bully these betrayed spouses,

738
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:39.760
they just tell on themselves while simultaneously giving Kristen all

739
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.119
the rope to hang them with. Because in this whole

740
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.840
Thruttle accusation, one thing that surfaced is these like troll

741
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:52.199
anonymous accounts are posting this picture that I guess got

742
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.440
taken during a vacation that Kristin had invited Olivia on.

743
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.840
This is another one of those things they're like, well,

744
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.400
what did you expect to happen when you invite a

745
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.400
divorced woman, a single divorced woman on a beach vacation

746
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:04.800
with you and your husband. It's like, I don't know,

747
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.519
mind not that I expected to have fun with my

748
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.840
recently divorced friend on a beach vacation.

749
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:11.559
What are you talking about?

750
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.119
And there's a picture I guess that they took on

751
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.880
one of those big chairs. Jason's in the middle and

752
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.360
he's got his hands on both ladies like knees, and

753
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.000
they're like, this is it. This is the proof that

754
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:29.920
Kristen consented to everything. Gosh, but guys, first of all,

755
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.159
no one agrees that even if they were a threattle

756
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.639
that it would justify any of this. But second of all,

757
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:41.599
all you're doing is proving that photos of the three

758
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:45.440
of these people that have never been posted publicly are

759
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.519
somehow being disseminated.

760
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.639
Yeah, yeah, how are they being.

761
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.360
How did you get this photo if if not for

762
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:59.920
a private community leading a harassment campaign against a betrayed spouse.

763
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:07.519
Yeah, answer that if you give someone enough time to

764
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:11.159
tell on themselves, they always do. And it seems like

765
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:14.679
in the especially in the comments you had posted. H

766
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.880
And you mentioned earlier about the comment where uh, I

767
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.719
believe it was Olivia Nicko Damus had said, you know,

768
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:26.239
let's look at side by side comparison fetoes, which that

769
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:31.079
speaks to her mindset on all this. And if she's

770
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.239
going to do that on TikTok, she's certainly going to

771
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.159
do that in a private community, right yep.

772
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.400
And that's the thing too, is they It seems to

773
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.599
me like this community kind of was leading the proverbial

774
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:51.480
TikTok streets unchecked for like the last year. Like when

775
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.039
you when you hit your right niche on TikTok, you

776
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.800
really do manage to kind of preserve that bubble, right, Like,

777
00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:59.960
if you're a man and you speak on men's issues,

778
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.920
it's very rare that you'll get sent into like the

779
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.000
feminist algorithm where they'll cheat you up and spit.

780
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:07.320
You out just like the end first.

781
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.800
You know, if you have a very like female heavy

782
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.760
like we are we are a woman audience, like, they're

783
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.079
not going to feed you to like the manosphere or

784
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.880
anything either. So I think she found her niche and

785
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.440
then whenever the betrayed spouses would try to stick up

786
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:26.639
for themselves or decry her platform, they were kind of

787
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:31.039
buried underneath her fan base, and it took a really

788
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.960
long time for people to notice what was happening and

789
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.760
to start saying things. But now that someone you know,

790
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.079
like myself who happens to have a platform, is talking

791
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.519
about this, I'm learning that there was never a shortage

792
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.440
of Chelsea haters at all, because they're all in my

793
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.280
inbox and they're like, I've got screenshots for you, I've

794
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:58.159
got saved videos for you, like I have been waiting,

795
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.360
yeah on this stuff. Yeah, I really think she underestimated

796
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:12.039
Kristen and the betrayed spouse an anti cheating community in general.

797
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:17.920
I agree one hundred percent. And you know, enough cannot

798
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:23.719
be said for the influence that you have been able

799
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.960
to help this person and help navigate this story. Uh,

800
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.679
it is only through followings, large followings. You have an

801
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:43.000
extremely large following, very impressive. Those things are required because

802
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:48.199
the power that you know, Kristen would have had by

803
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:53.239
herself navigating all this, it would have it would have

804
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.039
been something that I could see. Uh, the other woman

805
00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.480
and the wife and I'm not saying they did this legally,

806
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.360
but I'm not saying that they did it, but I

807
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:06.519
can see them looking at that and saying, this is

808
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.719
just one small person who is now kind of affecting

809
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.079
our business or whatever however she would put it. And

810
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.480
so we're going to intimidate the absolute shit out of

811
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.039
her to where she will shut up. That's how those

812
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.039
people operate. But they can't shut you and I up

813
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:26.920
because we we will, in my opinion, a lot more

814
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:31.119
power than she does. And uh, and the followings that

815
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:36.239
we have a lot more massive. Sorry sorry other woman,

816
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:40.400
but it's fact because I've already looked at some things.

817
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:46.519
But with that, it's important that those people have a voice.

818
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:51.280
And that's really what we're getting at with doing all

819
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.280
of this. Our audience wants to know about it. People

820
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.840
need to know about it. It is not normal. It's

821
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:04.719
not normal to promote uh, a safe community for cheaters

822
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:09.760
or whatever she calls it. It's it's uh, you're basically

823
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.440
getting advice from this serkillar. I mean, you're you're the

824
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:17.920
person getting advice from someone who is is looking at

825
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:22.400
one side of that whole issue, and certainly not.

826
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.719
The way that she is going about it, because, like

827
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:31.119
you said earlier, I think most people are not completely

828
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:36.280
you know, willing to absolutely demonize anyone who cheats, right,

829
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:38.880
you know, we may not choose to stay with a cheater.

830
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.480
But I think ultimately, you know, a lot of us

831
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:43.800
don't even agree that once a cheater, always a cheater.

832
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.440
We understand that cheating has nuance, and I don't think

833
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.719
that anyone who is against what Chelsea is doing is

834
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:55.960
denying the truth that cheating has nuance. However, the way

835
00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:00.960
that she's going about it, the rage bait, the playing

836
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:06.920
on the raw triggers of betrayed spouses for views, for clicks,

837
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:11.000
the way she seems to like hunt a fair drama

838
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:15.199
and then like it gets so giddy to regale in

839
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:20.079
it and decide how dumb these betrayed spouses are. That's

840
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.880
that's not the right place for it, because there there

841
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.760
are right places right. First of all, there's simple therapy.

842
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:26.320
You know.

843
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:28.239
One of the points that I made in my video

844
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.719
is if you go to any therapist, like I can

845
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.559
understand thinking, oh, I want someone who's going to tell

846
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.760
me they're not going to judge me for cheating, like

847
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.480
I don't want to feel judged or shamed. I can

848
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.880
understand feeling that way. If you tell any therapist that

849
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:45.480
you cheated, no one's going to be rate you. They'll

850
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.639
hold the same safe space for you and be hypoprotected,

851
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.039
so your stories can't be used in any shorts or

852
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:57.679
reels or podcasts. Okay, as opposed, you're just telling some

853
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.360
stranger on the internet who is not going to be

854
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:05.920
able to keep your shit safe or you know, demonize

855
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.519
one sorry or the other. Like there's one creator who

856
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.400
does what Chelsea wants to do, but she actually does

857
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:18.280
it correctly. And it's a woman named Lauren LaRusso who

858
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:22.400
is an affair recovery specialist and she actually is a

859
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:27.800
licensed therapist. She does have real experience with infidelity, not

860
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.280
meaning that she was the cheater, but was cheated on.

861
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:38.199
And yet she still takes cheating clients on without judgment

862
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.480
or shame to help them navigate their affair properly. And

863
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.000
if you watch her videos, at no point in time

864
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:51.039
is she like your stupid wife. Don't you know you're

865
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.840
getting played while he's doing the same exact things in me?

866
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:55.679
And did you know that when he calls you, I

867
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.639
listen to every conversation, which I don't know how that's productive?

868
00:52:59.079 --> 00:52:59.239
Right?

869
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:03.320
How does the helped people heal from affairs? Exactly?

870
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:11.480
So bizarre, so bizarre, and so what is next? Do

871
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:16.400
you think for this. Obviously in a court situation, what

872
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:18.880
are we waiting on next?

873
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:22.400
I guess yeah. So from a legal perspective, from everything

874
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.199
that I've been kept keeping up with on the filing

875
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.960
was you know, Olivia filed arman Sorry, Chelsea filed the

876
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:33.480
initial suit, Kristen filed her defense and countersuit while also

877
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:37.920
simultaneously pulling Olivia into it. Olivia has submitted her response.

878
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:42.000
Chelsea has submitted her response. So now we're just kind

879
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.280
of waiting for the judge to look over all of

880
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:48.280
this and decide is this going to go to arbitration

881
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:52.079
or is this going to go to a jury trial. Yeah,

882
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.239
so if it goes to arbitration, we may never know

883
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.599
what happens next. You know, a very similar case that

884
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.800
we can actually refer two that just wrapped up very

885
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.599
timely this week was the popular Illuminati case if you

886
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:10.679
need another rabbit hole to go down, But the TLDR

887
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.119
of this was a huge content creator with access to

888
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:18.599
a lot of money, similar to Chelsea, Smallwood sues a

889
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:23.719
very very small creator for defamation for very similar reasons

890
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.360
like you ruined my image by telling people of all

891
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:31.639
the depraved things that I did, and it went on

892
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.960
and on, and it costs so much money, and ultimately

893
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.159
they have privately settled, which some people are disappointed by,

894
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.960
but what a lot of people see as basically a

895
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.719
win for the defense because basically it's Illuminati saying, okay,

896
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:48.880
you won, just don't tell anybody about it. So I

897
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:53.440
could see that happening in this situation where you know,

898
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:58.679
maybe there's private money agreements or compensation of some kind

899
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:02.360
and there is an NDA so that both parties can

900
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.920
move forward. I could consider that a win for Kristen

901
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.840
as long as she's not too financially put out, because

902
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:12.000
at this point, you know, the dirty laundry has been aired,

903
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.639
it cannot be unaired. The toothpaste cannot go back in

904
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.079
the two. So at this point I would really like

905
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:21.880
to see just all parties be able to settle, and like,

906
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.559
hopefully Chelsea can learn to better handle her business and

907
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.880
to not put herself in a position where she's gonna

908
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:33.239
get sued by betrayed spouses for being so heartless and

909
00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:39.880
reckless with the drama with associated identities and photos spreading around.

910
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.679
Hopefully she puts in policy on her website, don't post

911
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:47.599
pictures of people's kids, don't post the wife like that

912
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.960
should have already been a policy. But hopefully should we

913
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.559
learn from this and hopefully Kristin, like I said, can

914
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:59.519
be financially compensated and move forward. But Chelsea is fighting arbitration.

915
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:03.679
Chelsea does not want that result. She does not want

916
00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:07.320
a private settlement nothing. She wants this to all be

917
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:11.039
in the public eye. And that is because, in my opinion,

918
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:19.039
she displays a lot of behaviors of a delusional narcissist unfortunately.

919
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.599
And so if it goes to jury trial, Chelsea's gonna

920
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:27.679
have to fly from I believe, California to Miami County, Ohio,

921
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:35.559
and I'm gonna go in. I don't know how it works,

922
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:37.199
like if I'll be able to secure my seat, but

923
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.559
if I have to freaking camp out in front of

924
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.719
the courthouse at five in the morning.

925
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:46.840
A Taylor Swift concert or something. Yet, this is my show.

926
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.000
Yeah, I'm gonna have Kristen's army shirts made.

927
00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:00.119
Yes, yeah. Well, and it's important to mention also, so

928
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:03.840
and we talked about getting money a little bit, but

929
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:11.199
obviously it's expensive. It's there's nothing cheap about going even

930
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.440
when you're on the right side of it. It's very expensive.

931
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:18.199
Lawyers are not cheap. They charge every time you turn

932
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.960
around for everything they do. And there is a go

933
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:26.360
fundme out there that I saw for Kristen, so i'll

934
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:29.039
link that also in the description, So if any of

935
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:31.559
my lesseners would like to help out. I mean, look,

936
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.320
twenty thirty bucks a piece goes a long way towards

937
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:40.199
towards helping with legal fees. This girl is going up against,

938
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.559
you know, a company, and companies sometimes have funding that

939
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:51.239
is just different than individuals, and so hopefully it will

940
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:53.440
at least give her the peace of mind there that

941
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.639
she can continue to fight.

942
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.199
Yeah, that I've been trying to link the gofund me

943
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.880
as much as I can, but yeah, that's that's kind

944
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.480
of where we're at. If it does go to jury trial,

945
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:12.119
there is going to be what's called discovery, where both

946
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:16.639
parties have their opportunity to present as much evidence as possible.

947
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.960
And you know, that's the part that I would think

948
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:25.440
that Chelsea would be wise to avoid. If I was

949
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.800
able to dig up all this stuff public facing, you know,

950
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.360
just all the ways in which she's really incriminated herself

951
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:39.880
on her own. Yeah, then I can only imagine what Kristin,

952
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:43.400
who did get inside of the community and was just

953
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:47.280
jaw droppingly a gate at what she witnessed. You know,

954
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:51.159
is going to be able to provide now at the

955
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:54.360
same time to you know, play Devil's advocate as you

956
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:57.199
mentioned earlier, at the same time, you know, Chelsea is

957
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.519
claiming tortious interference on Kristin and saying, you know, you

958
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:06.039
violated our privacy policy by taking private screenshots and sharing them.

959
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.719
So it's very possible that Chelsea could have her own

960
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:14.239
evidence of Kristen doing this. And you know, for all

961
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.159
we know, the judge might say, like, I don't care

962
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.639
about all the petty affair drama shit, I care about

963
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:26.119
the contract violations or did we not violate the contract?

964
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:30.400
So you know, I'm curious. It could go so many

965
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.039
different ways. And for all we know, especially like these

966
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.719
judges after a long day who are just like so

967
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.760
over this shit, they might look at this and be like,

968
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:42.559
you know, you guys both did stuff and it just

969
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:44.639
cancels each other out. Get out of my courtroom.

970
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:49.400
Yeah, yeah, there's so many ways. As gay guy and

971
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:54.280
so and obviously both you and I'll keep around. We're

972
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:57.920
going to bring you as many updates as possible. I'm

973
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.519
going to link your social and all your cool stuff

974
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.800
into because I know I know my followers and they

975
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.480
you're their type, so they're gonna definitely be checking out

976
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:14.159
your content ongoing after this. And I'm telling you, she

977
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:17.760
does an unbelievable job, and not just on this. I

978
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.480
enjoyed when I watched the tiktoks on this specifically, I

979
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:24.119
enjoy going back and checking out all your other stuff.

980
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:28.239
You're very unique in that you can do short form

981
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:32.079
and long form, so y'all. She has a YouTube channel

982
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:35.440
where she's got some hour long YouTube videos on there

983
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:39.360
talking about different things, and you're just very unique in

984
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.960
that way. Most creators that I come across that are

985
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:48.760
as successful as you are in short form content aren't

986
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:53.199
able to make that transition. You do both unbelievably well.

987
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:59.119
So that's you're very welcome. It is harder than you

988
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:04.000
think for most people to make that transition. You were

989
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.119
made to do what you do. You do a great job.

990
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:10.480
I definitely can't agree that it is difficult. The cross

991
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:14.639
platforming is difficult. Oh yeah, any kind of switch up

992
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:15.320
is difficult.

993
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:19.480
Oh yeah, I mean I had a and the listeners enjoy.

994
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:22.239
This is just real quick story. But I had a

995
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:28.519
very successful TikTok creator, very successful, and she was interested

996
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:32.719
in doing a long enform podcast and she did true crime,

997
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:38.760
and so I'm a producer. I produce several different large

998
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:43.639
true crime podcast and so I agreed, Yeah, let's let's

999
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:46.639
do it. And she came in the studio and we

1000
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:49.239
kind of did like a three episode test run, and

1001
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.440
I was telling her the whole time. I said, now, look,

1002
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:56.239
these audiences are different. So you know, if you have

1003
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:59.239
a million followers on TikTok, it doesn't mean they're all

1004
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.199
going to follow you to your podcast. I hope they do,

1005
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:05.400
because if they do and you get a million downloads,

1006
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:09.280
we're both swimming in it. But the likelihood of that,

1007
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:10.920
it's going to take a lot of time and a

1008
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:16.400
lot of work. And she she didn't believe me, for

1009
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:18.239
lack of a better term, She's like, oh, no, I

1010
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:20.519
know my followers. They're gonna follow me anywhere I go.

1011
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.440
And when that didn't happen, she almost gave up on herself.

1012
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:28.719
And she was really good, but she it was hard

1013
01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:33.119
for her to accept that. And so it is a

1014
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:36.239
it's tough. It is hard to do that. You have

1015
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:41.239
done a wonderful job of it. And so I say

1016
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:44.400
all that to say, peeps, go check her out, give

1017
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:46.119
her a follow, give her a like, tell her you

1018
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:50.719
saw her on this podcast, and uh, because the Advocate's

1019
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:51.360
a real deal.

1020
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.519
Thank you, thank you, and I will keep you guys

1021
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:59.280
posted with everything that I learned. Absolutely this all case goes,

1022
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:01.760
and even once this is over, you know, if you

1023
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:06.400
want to hear about relationship other funny stuff.

1024
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:11.960
Yeah, you definitely do. Thank you so much for coming on.

1025
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.079
I appreciate you and we're going to keep you updated.

1026
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:15.800
Thank you.