Aug. 26, 2024

The Ketamine Queen | Matthew Perry Investigation 2

The Ketamine Queen | Matthew Perry Investigation 2

In this episode of “Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite”, host Jim Chapman explores the cast of character’s surrounding Matthew Perry's death, focusing on of Jasveen Sangha, the "ketamine queen," whose drastic life changes mirrored the dangers...

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Season 1

In this episode of “Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite”, host Jim Chapman explores the cast of character’s surrounding Matthew Perry's death, focusing on of Jasveen Sangha, the "ketamine queen," whose drastic life changes mirrored the dangers faced by Perry, and his personal assistant, Kenneth Iwamasa, and the betrayal inherent in their relationship. A surprise look back at Matthew Perry is also on tap for this edition of the podcast.

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Legal Note: This Case has not been adjudicated and all persons discussed in this podcast are assumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The criminal or civil charges expressed in this podcast are taken from public record.

Timestamps
00:13 Introduction to the Investigation
05:01 The Ketamine Queen
17:51 The Personal Assistant Kenneth Iwamasa
31:02 The Interview

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and before we

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jump into today's episode, I want to thank our August

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as you for all our global celebrities. And let's get

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into this part two of the investigation into the death

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of Matthew Perry. And I'm just going to take a

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couple of minutes and go over some interesting information on

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a couple of these I guess you could say cast

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of characters. And then I've got a big surprise for

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you after that. And last time we left you, we

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had covered the indictment, but we didn't really get specifically

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into a couple of these assholes, if you will, that

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were certainly culpable in the death of Matthew Perry. And

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I want to talk real quick about his personal assistant,

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Kenneth Iwa Masa, who to me, look, all these people suck,

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all these people deserve to be in jail, but Kenneth

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Iowa Masa, he is a special kind of asshole. Why

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Because he had a personal relationship with Matthew Perry. Right,

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this was his quote unquote friend. As a matter of fact,

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it was his live in personal assistant. And not only

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was he allowing this to go on without saying a

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word and being completely complicit in it. I mean, he

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was out there picking up the freaking drugs for Matthew Perry,

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but he also gave him the injection that killed him.

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Special kind of asshole, in my opinion. So I'm not

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going to go into the actual anymore of the indictment

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because a lot of it is repetitive shit that I

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covered on the first episode. But I found an interesting

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article that I'm gonna read for you real quick, and

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it says how culpable is Matthew Perry's personal assistant for

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the actor's death. Federal prosecutors revealed that Matthew Perry's personal

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assistant administered the dose of ketamine that ultimately led to

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the Friends star death at age of fifty four. On Thursday,

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August fifteenth, federal prosecutors made a bombshell announcement that five

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people have been charged in the actor's death, but how

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culpable is Iowa Masa? People magazine who this is the

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article I'm referring to, spoke to two legal experts about

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Iowa Massa's role in Perry's October twenty eighth, twenty twenty

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three death, when the actor was flooding face down in

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a hot tub at his Pacific Palisades home. One expert said,

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the living assistant is the least culpable of five people charged.

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I would fucking totally disagree with that, but I'll proceed

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back to the article. Another, however, says Iowa Masa is

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the most closely tied to eventually what happened. I would

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agree with that. On autopsy released in December show that

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Perry died from acute effects of ketymine, in addition to

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other contributing factors such as drowning, coronary artery disease, and

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effects of a medication used to treat opioid use disorder.

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At the time of his death, Perry was undergoing ketamine

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infusion therapy. The nature of his death was determined to

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be accidental. The US Department of Justice announced on Thursday,

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August fifteenth that the ketamine Queen Jazzfine Sanga in doctor

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Salvador Placincia, a licensed physician, or the lead defendants in

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the case. Sanga, allegedly sold the batch of ketamine that

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led to Perry's death. Placencia allegedly told another patient in

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mid twenty twenty three that Perry was spiraling out of

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control with his addiction, and yet he continued to offer

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kenemine to him. During one injection, he saw mister Perry

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freeze up in his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he

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left additional vials for defendant Awamasa to administer to mister Perry.

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Eric Fleming fifty four pleaded guilty on August eighth to

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conspiracy to distribute ketemene and one count of distribution of

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ketemine resulting in death. He admitted in court documents he

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distributed the ketamine that killed Perry, and that means he

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sold it to Perry's assistant, not that he actually gave

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the shot. Right. Doctor Mark Chavez agreed to play guilty

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in one count of conspiracy to distribute kenemine. He admitted

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in his plea agreement to allegedly selling the drugs to Placincia,

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and y'all, I know there's names flying around everywhere and

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it's hard to keep up, but I can't do a

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whole lot about that, unfortunately now. Iowa Masa had been

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Perry's assistant since nineteen ninety four and lived with him.

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On the day that Perry died, he administered three doses

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of ketamine to him, first at eight thirty am, then

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again at twelve thirty pm, then forty minutes after that,

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Perry asked Iowa Masa to get the hot tub ready

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for him, saying, shoot me up with the big one.

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According to the plea agreement. Now, these experts that people

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talk to, one of them said that Iowa Massa was

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just doing as he was told. You have an assistant,

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and if your boss is a drug addict and you

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want to keep your job, maybe you might do it

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for that reason. That's twenty kinds of wrong advice number one,

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and it's bullshit number two. You can't ask somebody to

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illegally do something. If I didn't know my own company

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and I had a boss and he told me to

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go rob a bank, I'm not going to go do it.

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What a dumb ass. This guy was. Former federal prosecutor

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Mark Chuckco, head of the Government Investigations and Corporate Compliance Practice,

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views it differently. The four other defendants exploited his addiction,

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Chuckko said about Perry. Iowa Massa, however, was actually injecting

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the drug into Matthew Perry. So so that makes him most

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closely tied to what happened. BINGO, shout out to that guy,

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because he nailed it. Iowa Masa faces up to fifteen

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years in prison, should be longer. By pleading guilty, he

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enters a cooperating deal with federal prosecutors. He is also

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the link to all the other defendants, meaning that Iowa

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Masa is potentially a valuable witness. I would say he's

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a very valuable witness. This may end up to a

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lesser sentence for Iowasa. So that's kind of a little

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bit about who Iowa Masa was and how he is

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linked to this whole thing. What an asshole, That's all

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I can say about that. Now, what about the Kennemine Queen?

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She is all over the internet right now. Look physically

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beautiful woman, not someone you would look at and think

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she was a ketamine dealer, but she totally is, and

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she has a lot of victims out there. It's not

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just Matthew Perry and my research. But I want to

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cover this quick article from the New York Post and

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it's titled how studious NBA grat Jasvin Sanga became Matthew

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Perry's alleged kennemine queen. Growing up in an upscale Los

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Angeles suburb home toots of lebs like Kim Kardashian and

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Will Smith, Jasvin sang As seemed to be on a

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trajectory for success that would make her parents proud. A

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friend described her as meticulous and studious in high schoo

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her parents owned a franchise business, and she got into

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the University of California at Irvine, which is a good school,

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and then she went to England for her NBA. But

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in March, Sang's mother had to bail out the forty

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one year old on one hundred thousand dollars bond after

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she was arrested for being a large volume drug dealer.

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Now she stands accused of selling the lethal dose of

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ketamine to friend star Matthew Perry. As former federal prosecutor

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Nima Ramini previously told The Post, Sang it is in

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a world of hurt right now she could potentially get

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life in prison. Old friends say that Jazzvin, who returned

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to la after getting her NBA at Wholt Business School

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in London in twenty ten, was a different person than

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the girl they once knew. She looked completely different than

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when she was in high school, said one old friend.

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It looked like she got a news job and maybe

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had a few other done to her face, but still

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she was doing business on the straight and narrow before

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the drugs. She started a mail salon and that business

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flopped as a firm remembered it. Sanga was being left

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behind by her peers around twenty fifteen. Most of the

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people she grew up with were working professionals, They had

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significant others and kids. Sanga, on the other hand, was

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partying a lot and being excessive on the weekends. Apparently

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running out of option, she tried her hand at being

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a party promoter. She developed a lot of connections and

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hung out with a clan of girls. They called themselves

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something related to Hello Kitty. Among her friends was Pearla Hudson,

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who was married to Guns and Roses Guitars Slash from

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two thousand and one to twenty eighteen. Photos on Instagram

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show Sanga in Hudson's standing next to a private jet

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and in exotic locations. On social media, Hudson described Sana

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as my best wing man of all time. Other photos

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showed singing with Charlie Sheen, Sanger Mat Perry, as well

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as Charlie Sheen's ex wife Brooke Mueller in a La

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Area rehab. Well, that's a good place to meet him.

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Neither Mueller nor pearl Of Hudson are accused of drug

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use or any other wrongdoing in connection to Sanga. The

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article notes, so that's a little bit about the ketamine Queen,

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as it were. Now here's something I have put together

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for you to listen to, because I think this is

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very important, y'all. This is much more than just another

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exposed episode. There are a ton of people out there

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in society that are struggling with an addiction of some sort,

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be it drugs, alcohol, whatever. And one thing that I

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really respected about Matthew Perry was when he came out

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with that bug. He opened his self up, his most

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personal secrets to the world, and he did it in

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an effort to save someone else. It wasn't about the money.

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He had money, tons of money, hell, friends, is still

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in syndication today. He didn't need money, even at the

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right that he was spending it. He didn't need money.

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This was about him wanting to help other people. That's

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why he wrote that book. But it's very hard to

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open up about, you know, your self, and things you

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might be ashamed of, as he did, and as he

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obviously was ashamed of this addiction. And probably one of

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the best interviews I ever heard was when Matthew Perry

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sat down with Diane Sawyer on ABC and They did

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that historic interview shortly after his book came out and

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disgusting detail his struggles with addiction. So I put that

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thing together for you. I'm gonna play it now. I

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think it's important that if you haven't heard it, that

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you hear it. And if you have heard it, you

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may enjoy hearing it again. It may have been a

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while for you. So here is Matthew Perry's interview with

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Diane Sawyer.

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Home in Los Angeles. The door opens, Mom oh.

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S flair that Matthew really wonderful to see. Please find that.

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Matthew Perry says he loves waking up to the sun

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on the ocean. I just love the He is fifty

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three years old, but he knows most of us will

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always remember when we first saw him, one of those

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six young friends, creating a new kind of funny, a

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new kind of family.

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Okay, who watch light cheese? And who wants dark cheese?

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Which Humber being played by an actor who was effortlessly

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so fast, an original.

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Someone at work ate my sandwich for what did the

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police say?

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And now it seems impossible that all those years ago,

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when we were laughing, we never knew that the young

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star was fighting for his life in a riptide of addiction.

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It was pulling him to Helen back over and over again,

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and he was trying to keep it a secret from everyone.

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Secrets kill you, Secrets kill people like me.

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Now Matthew Perry has put those secrets on the pages

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of a book. It is dedicated to other sufferers who,

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like him, might need help.

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It was important to me to do something that would

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help people.

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You sure know how to make people fasten their seatbelts.

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Oh good, nice, I'm glad you read it. Matthew Harriet.

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One is everybody rolling, friends, love, and the Big Terrible Thing.

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You start with a thunderclap first page.

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Hi, my name is.

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Matthew, although you may know me by another name. My

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friends call me Maddie, and I should be dead.

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Yeah that's definitely true.

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You say, Addiction. The big terrible thing is far too

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powerful for anyone to defeat alone. But together, one day

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at a time, we can beat it down.

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Yeah. Your disease is just outside, just during one arm

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push ups, just waiting, just waiting for you, waiting to

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get you alone, because alone you lose to the disease.

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And now I finally feel okay and feel like I've

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got some strength.

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What does it mean to feel okay?

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It means that I've developed some safety nets around this.

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You know, we've all learned it's not ours to ask

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someone in recovery how long they've been sober their personal

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road toward the horizon.

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For a start, I've surrendered, but to the winning side,

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not losing. I'm no longer mired in an impossible battle

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with drugs and alcohol, and helping others had become the

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answer for me for some reason. It's obviously because I

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was on friends, more people will listen to me, so

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I've got to take advantage of that. I've got to

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help as many people as I can.

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He says. That's why he has written the harrowing details

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about his journey through alcohol, all those drugs, and the

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fight to break free. I want to just do it

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by the numbers, because you're sending postcards from hell to

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everyone out there who needs it. Six thousand AA meetings, therapy,

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thirty years, fifteen rehabs. Yeah, maybe at least half of

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your life in treatment or in sober living houses. He

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has been in detox, he estimates sixty five times, and

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as you'll hear later, he survived fourteen surgeries, once in

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a coma on life support.

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One of the things I have to deal with is

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that my family rushed to the hospital and we're told

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that I have a two percent chance to make it

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through the night. And you know, my mom heard that,

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and my dad heard that.

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As he heals from all he's been through, there's still

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wearing tear on his voice and speech and the scars

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on his body, like a warrior back from battle.

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I once saw Martin Sheen at a podium and he said,

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I want to tell you a story about a guy

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who goes to Saint Peter's office. He dies, and he

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goes to Saint Peter's office and Saint Peter says, do

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you have any scars? And the man very proudly says no,

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I don't. And Saint Peter says, why was there nothing

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worth fighting for him? And I like hearing that.

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Obviously, every day a new one. What's your dream day?

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A dream day? A dream day? So playing games, watching movies,

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I want to work out, I want to play pickle ball,

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but I play it almost every day. And that's why

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this tan is real and not fake.

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He even writes a chapter of gratitude for the beauty

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he now sees.

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There's beauty, coral reefs, brightly.

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Colored fish, spume.

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I don't know spume, who wrote it. It sounds I

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think disgusting, spume, like a foam on the ocean. I

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have to explain that to Princeton when I go talk

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to them.

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So let's go back twenty eight years ago. Those actors,

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all in their twenties, on the brink of fame, about

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to change their lives forever. They are dancing around that

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fountain in the middle of the night and the water

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is freezing.

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That night was the water was very cold. Everybody is cold,

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but everybody is thrilled to be there.

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Lisa Kudro says, Matthew Perry was always the one trying

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to keep everyone else happy.

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Yeah, that's very nice.

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And that you kept everybody laughing.

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Liays, the funniest, maybe the funniest person I've ever worked,

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and just sees the world in a really funny way.

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And Maddie is hilarious, David Trim is hilarious, and a horse.

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Courtney, she was the first to say, let's not compete,

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Let's be a real team.

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Courtney said this was on the second day of work,

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so we should all be an ensemble. And that sounded great.

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And Jennifer Aniston, they had met years earlier. Perry asked

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her out at a date. She said, no, let's be friends.

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You had one of your serial crushes.

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If I may say, yeah, I.

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Mean you really kind of chain crushed.

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I did, well, how do you not have a crush

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on Jenny and Courtney and Lisa? So it made it

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kind of difficult to go to work because I had

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to pretend that I didn't have these Yes, you writed

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the book.

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I was kept wondering, how long can I just look

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at her?

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Yes? It was like three seconds too long? How long is?

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And then I write in the gratitude part about her

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letting me do that, because I'm sure she must have known.

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You write. As I was getting ready to get launch,

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there was a sound that you could hear, and it

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was the sound of people's dreams.

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The sound of people's dreams come true. I said, it

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sounded like a popping sound. Yeah.

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He said that there were six friends. One of them

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was sick. Yeah, coming up, Matthew. Perry has to face

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a friend and she says, oh, you're drinking.

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Yeah. Imagine how scary him moment that was, oh my god,

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it's her. It's at Victoria's Secret Models.

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Matthew Perry looking back at scenes from Friends when everyone

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was having such a good time.

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I'm fine, No, I'm not alone. I don't know some guy.

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Yes he was some guy. I don't really watch the show.

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So that was really fun to look at.

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And they also loved cracking each other up in real life.

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Viz Are from the Outtics there when the team had

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its first breakout star David Shwimmer, he will not leave

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his other friends behind.

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David Trimmer is the hot guy in the first year.

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I got the first movie and he came into my

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dress when we were about to renegotiate, and he said,

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I think we should negotiate together. I think and I said, great, idiot,

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that sounds great.

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Together they negotiate a new contract and they'll also have

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new terms. For a flashback, a redo of that fountain scene.

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This time it's different.

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And we were like warm the water. We're only going

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to be there for thirty minutes. We're not going to

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be dancing this time. We had all these rules because

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we were powerful.

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Then ultimately, as we know, their salaries will set a

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record by the last two seasons a million dollars per

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episode each. It is a fortune, and it takes us

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to a central question as we start this story, how

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does someone whose life is filled with so much luck

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and talent end up struggling so much with the disease

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of addiction, the fear, the shame, and hiding the cracks inside.

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Perry says he proof that addiction can enter any home,

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any heart, even one with golden parents. Talk about glamorous parents,

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huh Yeah. His handsome dad is John Bennett Perry, a

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singer and actor and once the heart thrub of TV's

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Manliest Commercial.

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My father being the old spice guy. Yeah. Hard to

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bring girls home when that happens, because they're like really

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wanting to talk to my dad.

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His Canadian mother is the captivating, hard working press secretary

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to Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.

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He set me up for being funny because I just

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loved her laugh so much. They're both people that take

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over a room, you know, when they come in.

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But his very young parents had separated before he was

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a year old. They lived on opposite coasts and started

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new families. He remembers being that little boy giving away

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his mom to her new husband. He remembers when his

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dad marries a new wife. His stepparents are loving, he

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has wonderful new siblings. But for some reason, he said,

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as he grew up, he felt a kind of loneliness,

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never sure he was good enough to belong. If you

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try to map the fault lines underneath an addiction, you

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often find unanswerable questions. Perry says he does remember the

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day he thought he had found an answer. He's fourteen,

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with his Canadian pals and a common teenage rite of passage.

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I remember that day very well. In Ottawa, Canada. I

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had never drank before, and I just sort of drank

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this entire bottle of what was called Anwar's Baby Duck,

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that was the name of the wine. And I lay

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in the grass and just was in heaven. And I

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thought to myself, this must be the way that normal

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people feel all the time. And I thought that.

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Of fourteen, his friends could drink and stop, but for him,

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the relief was so easy it became his destination.

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But you know, by the time I was eighteen, I

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was drinking. I was shrinking every day.

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You were drinking alone at night.

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Yeah, I was drinking. At that time, I was drinking

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out with friends a lot, and then at one forty five,

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I would say, I'm going to go home and race

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across town to a liquor store, buy a bottle of vodka,

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and drink as much as I had with the other

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guys that night.

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A young man with a naive certainty that fame could

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fill up the hole inside you also write you found

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yourself getting on your knees, closing your eyes and pray God,

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you can do whatever you want to me, just please

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make me famous.

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Yeah. Yeah, And that was the first time I ever prayed,

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and I looked back at it as you know, a

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dumb prayer, like the prayer of like a really young person.

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He moves to Los Angeles to live with his father,

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and since he likes school plays, he tries his hand

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acting for real. Quickly he gets TV roles act natural.

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Well, I guess I'll buy a lotto ticket.

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Buffs including an appearance on the hip Beverly Hills nine

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oh two one Ohero. That's really him. By the way,

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he was once a nationally ranked tennis player in Canada,

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and then at the age of twenty four, he arrives

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to audition for that show, which was then called Friends

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Like Us. He tells the creators about his anxiety and

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awkwardness with girls.

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In the middle of that summer, they took us all

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separately to lunch and said, tell us about you, and

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I said, well, I'm not an ugly guy, but I

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have a lot of trouble with women. And that's what

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Chandler became.

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You know, you said, you also knew there was a

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mask on the pain, the.

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Character that couldn't stand silence, so he would make jokes.

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Hold on, no go, I've scared you. I've said too much.

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I'm hopeless and awkward and desperate for love.

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Thanks to his scene stealing charm, his prayer for fame

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has been answered. His hope to heal the hole inside

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was not.

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And that was a dark day for me when I

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realized that it did not do that, that it did

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not fix what I thought was what I knew was broken.

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And now the added fear of being on a high

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wire with about twenty five million people watching, he says,

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his terror deepens, so does his loneliness and shame.

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Alone so I could drink drinking. Therefore, alone, I drink

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watch the movie pass Out wake up, drink, watch the movie,

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pass Out.

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But you had no trouble with the lines, You had

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no trouble with the timing, you had no trouble showing

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up every day.

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Early on, Yes, and I made a rule that I

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would never drink or take anything at work, so I

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would never do that. But I would show up blindly hungover,

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like shaking and crazy, hungover.

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But still somehow brilliant on camera, maybe because he's an

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athlete and young and cares so much well.

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I loved Chandler. I love the show. And I also knew,

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remember this because it's going to be the best time

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of your life. And I knew it. I couldn't tell

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my family, I couldn't tell anybody because they would possibly

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ask me to stop. I knew that I would never

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forgive myself if I missed this up.

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And remember all those years ago, addiction was even more

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in the shadows before so much any famous people started

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telling their stories, And soon Matthew Perry's secret is going

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to take an even darker turn, as you'll hear the

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introduction of pills. But at some point along the path,

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his friends reach out.

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Kenny and she says, we know you're drinking. Yeah, imagine

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how scary a moment that was. And I said, how

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I thought I was hiding it so well? And she said,

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we can smell it, and we can smell it, but

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I wasn't in a position to stop, you know, And

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that's what addiction is. But she was the one that

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reached out the most, you know. Really grateful to her

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00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:44.799
for that.

470
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.799
At another point, caston creators of the show come into

471
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:49.599
his dressing room.

472
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.960
They said, what are you doing? Why are you acting

473
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.960
this way? What's going on? We know there's a problem

474
00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:00.880
with you. And I said, I'm on medication. I'm really sorry.

475
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.960
It won't happen again. In nature, when a penguin is injured,

476
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.359
the other penguin group around it and prop it up

477
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.880
until it's better. This is what my co stars on

478
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:13.039
Friends did for me.

479
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.680
It is the year two thousand and an incredible feat.

480
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.119
Matthew Perry now has the number one movie in America,

481
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.359
The Whole Nine Yards, made with one of his screen heroes,

482
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:27.279
Bruce Willis.

483
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:28.119
It's been good.

484
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.799
I'm glad we got to know each other.

485
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:38.319
You know what, me too. You can go to Frank.

486
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.440
And at the same time, the movie is soaring He's

487
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:45.039
still the star of the number one sitcom on TV.

488
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.680
It's the time I should have been the toast of

489
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.359
the town. Michael J. Fox did it. He had the

490
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:54.000
number one TV show, on the number one movie. But

491
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:58.680
I think it's just us. And I was in a

492
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:06.079
dark room meeting with nothing but drug dealers and completely

493
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:09.680
alone for months.

494
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.039
The spiral into prescription drugs has begun. He has a

495
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.799
memory of the first pill as indelible as the first

496
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:18.400
teenage drink long ago.

497
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:20.240
And I was doing fine. This afternoon.

498
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.559
He was making a movie called Fools Rush In, and

499
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.160
during a lunch break he was playing around on a

500
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.519
jet Ski has an injury. He's given a pill for

501
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.359
the pain and says it was like warm honey entering

502
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:33.039
his veins.

503
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.400
I swear to God, I think if I'd never taken it,

504
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:38.720
none of the next three decades would have gone the

505
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.160
way they did. Who knows, But when I woke up,

506
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.960
forty more pills had been delivered to my house.

507
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:49.039
They were Vicodin. He tells himself, maybe he can curb

508
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.960
his drinking if he uses pills to tame his fear

509
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.559
and self doubt. More pills of many kinds that take

510
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:56.680
over with a vengeance.

511
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.240
I've been taking something like twelve a day and then

512
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.839
went cold turkey one day and felt absolutely terrible. Because

513
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.359
addiction is the obsession of your mind. Now give me

514
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.160
everything you gave me before and more. That's what happens.

515
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.079
His body has built up such a tolerance. He takes

516
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.839
more pills to stave off withdrawal, and then horrifyingly.

517
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.920
More fifty five like in a day, which is where

518
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:23.519
I was fifty five.

519
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.960
Yeah, how did you get fifty five a day?

520
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.839
Well, I had to wake up and realized that I

521
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.079
needed to get fifty five of them or I was

522
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.720
going to be really sick. So I did all sorts

523
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.599
of things. So I had a bunch of doctors, fake

524
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.799
migraines and all that stuff.

525
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:44.920
You take mri eyes.

526
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.839
I did take m eyes just to get the pills. Yeah,

527
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.799
there was nothing wrong with me. And I guess the

528
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.279
weirdest thing I did was on Sundays, I would go

529
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.480
to open houses and go to the bathrooms in the

530
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:03.960
so in the open house and see what pills they

531
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:08.000
had in there and steal them. And I think they thought, well,

532
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.200
there's no way that Chandler came in and stole from us.

533
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.480
And so seven years into Friends, his double life is

534
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.200
about to spen out of control. He goes off to

535
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.160
make a movie called Serving Sarah. He is even on

536
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:25.599
the treatment drug methadone to stave off withdrawal from vigadin,

537
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.680
but he's doubling down on everything else. But you're a

538
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:34.599
methadone XENX full court of Vodka day. At one point,

539
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:35.799
a doctor shows up.

540
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.440
I had drunk a party sized bottle of vodka, the

541
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.519
one with the handle on it. When the doctor looked

542
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:44.920
around the room, he saw the bottle and said, in

543
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.319
a nervous voice, did you drink all of that? Yes?

544
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.480
I said, May I have the valume every four hours,

545
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.119
not every six? With that, he turned tail and ran

546
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.160
top speed down the spiral staircase and out the door,

547
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.119
presumably so he wouldn't actually be in the room. If

548
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:06.319
Matthew Perry.

549
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:11.280
Died disaster on the movie set. Perry is now incapacitated

550
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.320
by all the drugs and alcohol. The whole movie has

551
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:15.039
to shut down.

552
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.079
Nurse, did you bring the tools?

553
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.719
Later, he has to dub in the lines when he's sober.

554
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.440
She forgot the tools. Can't really do anything without the tools.

555
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.719
It's slurring my dialogue with Sean and Dallas, and I

556
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.360
was doing friends at the same time, so doubled my workload,

557
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.360
and I was flying on a private jet drinking a

558
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:36.679
vodka of water bombing.

559
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.639
A girlfriend says something that startles him.

560
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:45.079
I think you're disappearing, and then I went, oh, stop everything.

561
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.119
I'm going to rehab right now. Stop the movie, Stop everything.

562
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.079
His father and mother have been worried for years, and

563
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.480
at this point, his father steps in to make sure

564
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.920
his son will spend a full ninety days in rehab.

565
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:03.079
First that grueling detox in a past twenty had a

566
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:04.039
grandma seizure.

567
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:09.079
Detox is hell. Detox is lying in bed watching the

568
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.239
seconds go by. My insides feel like they're trying to

569
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.440
crawl out of my body. I'm shaking and sweating. I'm

570
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.320
begging like a child for any kind of medication that

571
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:25.320
will help ease the symptoms. Yeah, I mean, detox is hell.

572
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:28.320
You know there is a hell.

573
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:28.920
I know.

574
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.760
I can says tangible features, I can describe it. And

575
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:38.840
I would make the decision to have like five six

576
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:43.719
hours of being high and knowing that six days of

577
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.559
that was coming, and I would make that decision over

578
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:47.880
and over and over.

579
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.360
Again back on the set, everyone so afraid for the

580
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.280
friend who's in a giant battle at Lista writes on

581
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:58.280
your forward that they wanted so much to do the

582
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.000
right thing, but they didn't know what it was. They

583
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.480
didn't know if there was something they could have said,

584
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.800
should have done.

585
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.400
That was the truth for my family too and me.

586
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.239
In two thousand and four, I asked Jennifer Anniston about

587
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:16.360
all her colleagues, including Matthew, whose struggle had become public

588
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:22.480
as his friends grappled too. What doesn't Matthew know that

589
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:23.239
he's all right?

590
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:35.119
We didn't know. We you know, we weren't equipped. We

591
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:40.360
weren't to deal with it. You know, nobody had ever

592
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:45.760
dealt with with hat And you know, what's the idea

593
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:46.719
of even losing him?

594
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:51.920
Or so Now, let's go back and look again to

595
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.880
something we were seeing on screen but never fully recognized.

596
00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:00.480
Matthew Perry clearly changing from season to season, signaling something

597
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.760
is wrong. He writes this in his book, You.

598
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.679
Can track the trajectory of my addiction if you gauge

599
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.320
my weight from season to season. When I'm carrying weight,

600
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.400
it's alcohol. When I'm skinny, it's pills.

601
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.440
He writes about the scenes that remind him how he

602
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.840
was just barely holding on. He needed the pills to function,

603
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:25.400
but the pills destroy appetite and cause deep nausea. I

604
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.760
ask him if it was okay for us to look

605
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.920
at one of those scenes together. Sure, a scene in

606
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:35.320
which he is painfully thin, shirt hanging off his body.

607
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.880
Wait a minute, I know that hat. I was taking

608
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:44.159
aboard that hat. They do experiments on me. I can't

609
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:53.880
have children. Yeah, of course, it's very hard to watch

610
00:37:53.960 --> 00:38:02.440
that because, in this weird way, I feel I feel

611
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:09.639
sorry for that guy, because that's a guy that's out

612
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:16.639
of control. I didn't know what was going on with me.

613
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:21.960
I weighed one hundred and fifty five pounds, so on

614
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:29.199
my weigh to one hundred and twenty eight pounds. But

615
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:32.440
I feel too sorry for that guy. He's going through

616
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:41.039
too much and it's me and I remember that, and

617
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:46.000
I didn't understand what was going on. But again, I'm sorry,

618
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:54.360
and I'm so grateful to not be that anymore. But

619
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.800
it's it's hard. It's hard to watch. But whenever I

620
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.840
was writing the book and I came to a section

621
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:08.119
that was hard, I just thought, however, deep it went

622
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.480
for me and dark, it went for me. That will

623
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:17.480
help somebody who got that dark and I kept going.

624
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.159
Today, Matthew Perry says life is filled with a lot

625
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.679
of favorite things, including the toffee pudding. He says he's

626
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.639
saved to reward himself after getting through this interview with me.

627
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.400
After your interview, I might be scared and I want

628
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:31.119
something to eat.

629
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.920
He says he has great friends and people around him

630
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.039
who help make sure he is never fighting alone. He

631
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.440
also says he's finally learning more about himself, including his

632
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.760
old awkwardness with girls. He still hopes to start a

633
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.760
family and find the girl of his dreams online dating.

634
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.440
I have done that, you did have done that. I

635
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.159
went on this one. I to go, I did go,

636
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.480
and I and then I rapidly stopped because it was stupid.

637
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.159
And he says he's broken an old pattern with relationships.

638
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.840
It was a combination of feeling like I wasn't enough,

639
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.599
feeling like I was needy, feeling like it didn't matter,

640
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:18.519
And so I'd be in relationships that were going great

641
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:24.679
with wonderful women, wonderful women, smart, funny, wonderful women, and

642
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:30.239
my sub conscious I got scared. I would get scared

643
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.159
and break up with them because I was afraid that

644
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.559
if they found out those three things about me, they

645
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.239
would break up with me, and that would annihilate me.

646
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:43.679
He says, thanks to therapy, he's learned to trust that

647
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.519
he doesn't have to keep a woman laughing to keep

648
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:47.559
her in his life.

649
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.360
I know what that is now, and I don't suffer

650
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:54.360
from it anymore. Making Jenny laugh was a great thing.

651
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:58.239
Making my mother laugh was a great thing, and yeah,

652
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.960
that's what It lights me up and make somebody laugh,

653
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.320
you know. But I don't have to do that now.

654
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.199
Back as the series Friends is heading toward its final years,

655
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.599
he is committed to that rehab for a full three months.

656
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.920
He's being driven from rehab every morning to the set

657
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.960
of Friends and experience his life as it might have been.

658
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.639
Yeah. I was driven in a blue, big blue pickup

659
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.719
truck to marry Manicah from a treatment center.

660
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.320
Can we watch the scene I.

661
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:31.639
Love you.

662
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.760
And he surprises to come our way. It's okay, because

663
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:42.639
I will always love you. You are the person I was

664
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.119
meant to spend the rest of my life with. You

665
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:53.320
want to know if I'm sure you may now kiss

666
00:41:53.360 --> 00:42:02.400
the bride? That's pretty good. I'll watch that scene over

667
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:08.920
and over. That was good. I looked good sober, I

668
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.800
did well. That's fun to watch, thank you. I mean,

669
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.360
right there, you see Chandler overtaking where I was in

670
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.920
my life, you know, and that was a little weird

671
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.960
marriage and then kids and I'm you know, not doing

672
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.679
any of that stuff, and that was pretty weird.

673
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.599
He's even nominated for an Emmy after ten years the

674
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:31.599
series is ending.

675
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:35.199
The end of Friends meant the end of an era,

676
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.639
you know, and work like that was going to be

677
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.519
hard to find. But I was sober, and I stayed

678
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.159
sober for a pretty long time. You know. There's a

679
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.760
lot of times that I've been sober for two years

680
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:48.679
and then two years here, and then one year and

681
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:53.760
then six months. But then I started to think, I've

682
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:58.400
got this. I don't need to learn anymore. I don't

683
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.960
need to go to meetings this anymore.

684
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.079
I know this a trapdoor. Over the next year's Perry

685
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:08.760
will earn three more Emmy nominations, appearing on shows like

686
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:09.440
The West Wing.

687
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:11.639
I don't get a vote in the US House of Representatives,

688
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.280
but I do go to the grocery store. I know

689
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.199
that food is cheaper and I know that when life

690
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:20.840
expectancy goes up, that's not victimizing undertakers. And then something happened.

691
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.880
I was able to stay sober unless anything happened, good

692
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.239
or bad. And something happened I don't even remember what,

693
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.920
and I took pills over it, and the insanity of

694
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.039
that and starting the addiction all over again.

695
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.519
By twenty eighteen, his worn down body is about to

696
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.760
pay a huge price. All the years and quantities of

697
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:49.119
the pills he was using paralyzed his digestive system. Four

698
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.000
years ago, an emergency, a fight for his life.

699
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.840
I was rushed to the hospital because I was in

700
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:01.960
intense pain in my stomach, and by the time I

701
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.000
got to the hospital, I was writhing on the ground.

702
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.519
They put me on a stretcher and they ran me

703
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:15.280
into the emergency trauma room. And it was in there

704
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.440
that my colon exploded.

705
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:21.320
There was a perforation of the bowel, pneumonia, intubation, a

706
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.480
temporary colostomy bag. He's put on life support.

707
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.199
I was put on an ECMO machine, and an ECMO

708
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:32.639
machine when you talk to anti doctor is a hail

709
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:38.239
Mary is the last thing that you do before people die.

710
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.320
And there were five people that night that were put

711
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.480
on ECMO machine, and I was the only one who survived.

712
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.159
He was in a coma for fourteen days.

713
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.519
I woke up and I said, what's happening. What's happening.

714
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.960
My mother was in the room, and she told me

715
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.880
what was going on. And I was in that hospital

716
00:44:54.920 --> 00:45:01.719
for five months, and you know, escaped death really narrowly.

717
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.599
And in those five months, no one left you alone.

718
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:09.639
I was never alone in that room. My family was there.

719
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.880
His step parents, his siblings, his friends. Keep watch. He

720
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:20.880
plays the song Don't give Up.

721
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:30.239
Sure, Yeah, Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush. Yeah. I listened

722
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.159
to that song a lot, and.

723
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:34.519
He remembers looking up at one point to a rare

724
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.519
reunion the golden parents he loves. They are together.

725
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:41.599
They were both standing at the edge of my bed,

726
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.960
and I was like, WHOA, I must be really sick

727
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.119
for this to be happening.

728
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.599
In the months after surgery, it will not be a

729
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.400
straight path to sobriety, as somehow he endures a total

730
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:56.400
of fourteen surgeries, the latest this year, not to mention

731
00:45:56.559 --> 00:46:01.280
all the excruciating dental emergencies that required surgeries too. He

732
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:03.960
says he had one of those surgeries before he filmed

733
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:08.519
The Friends Reunion and to the people maybe for whom

734
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.840
the last time they saw he was the Friends Reunion,

735
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:13.679
who were really worried.

736
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:18.320
A couple of days before that, I had an emergency

737
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:23.679
dental surgery which did all sorts of things, and the

738
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:29.840
dental surgery just made my mouth feel like fire and

739
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.480
it sounded like my voice was off. I couldn't not

740
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.639
show up. So what I chose to do was go

741
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:39.360
and just do the best that I could.

742
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.599
Since then, he's been writing his book about a hard

743
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:47.039
earned sober life and the most important message you have

744
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:48.039
to keep trying.

745
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:54.880
What I kept thinking was, Okay, why why was I

746
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:59.880
spared when these other four people passed away? And every

747
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.519
doctor in the world says that person should be dead.

748
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.159
So I thought, you know, there's a reason. There's got

749
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.840
to be a reason that I'm here.

750
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.320
When someone calls you for help and says I'm in trouble,

751
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.000
what do you want to say to them? First?

752
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:18.840
I say, come over, let's talk. A guy coming up

753
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.039
to me and saying can you help me stop drinking?

754
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.079
And I can say yes and follow up and help

755
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.039
the person, and I see the light come on in

756
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.760
their eyes, and I have the answer. Because of stumbling

757
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.440
so much, I can help them so saving each other,

758
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:36.719
saving each other, because he eventually figures out that he's

759
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:37.559
saving me too.

760
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:44.719
During COVID, we will all Rewatching Friends Take the rais

761
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:51.679
ninety seven billion minutes of it watched in twenty twenty alone.

762
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.400
I'm not great at the advice, and I anterest you

763
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:54.519
want a sarcastic comment.

764
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:58.280
The fans are paying tribute as they always have for decades,

765
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.440
to the hairstyle, the clothes. I need to lie down,

766
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:06.480
the way they talk.

767
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.119
How did you teach yourself English? Actually? My English teacher

768
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:10.800
was sick.

769
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:11.559
Friends?

770
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.920
Does it surprise you the whole it still has what

771
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:16.320
is Friends?

772
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.519
Yeah, it does surprise me that it's gone on so

773
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.760
long that people still love it. And you know, in London.

774
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.360
I was in London recently and there were people like

775
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.079
outside my hotel room, like screaming, and I went out

776
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.079
and waved to them. I was like Marilyn Monrou or something.

777
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.599
And when the tennis playing star of Friends showed up

778
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.400
at the US Open this year, the champion from Poland

779
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:40.599
was starstruck.

780
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.119
The winner of the US Open tweeted that the thing

781
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.000
that made her. The most nervous was that I was

782
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:46.800
in the stands.

783
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.039
Today, Matthew Perry is working on a screenplay and going

784
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.880
on a book tour to tell his story, and he says,

785
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.159
looking for new ways to help the millions of other

786
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.440
people who are struggling.

787
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.960
How is your health now? Yeah, my health is good.

788
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.599
My mouth is good. I'm doing really well. Now.

789
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:05.280
How hard is each day? Now?

790
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:10.119
It's not that hard. I have a lot of experience.

791
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.760
Now, which is why he says, keep fighting. Every time

792
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.679
you seek help, you can learn something that strengthens you.

793
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.280
He still remembers a counselor from his first rehab.

794
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:21.719
I was walking out and he said, and remember, it's

795
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:27.000
not your fault. And I went what? And he said this,

796
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.159
all of this is not your fault. And I went,

797
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.360
what do you talk to say that again? And that

798
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:35.320
was the first time I realized that all of this insanity,

799
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.199
it wasn't my will, or wasn't what I wanted, or

800
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.079
it was not my fault.

801
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.079
And another life raft in the middle of this disease,

802
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.519
in a dark time, he sees a strange golden light.

803
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.519
And it was telling me that I'm accepted and I'm

804
00:49:54.599 --> 00:50:01.840
loved and everything's going to be okay. And I called

805
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:04.239
my sponsor after it was over. It was about seven

806
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:06.320
minutes long, and I said, this just happened to me.

807
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.440
And he said, that's as real as the couch you're

808
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:16.480
sitting on. Just know that and save my life.

809
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.679
You say, And a light has been shown, as if

810
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.519
to a desperate man who needs help, the same light

811
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.320
that hits the ocean in the sunlight and the beautiful

812
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:27.639
gold water glistening.

813
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.679
Yeah, because people who don't believe in that, I'd like

814
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.440
to tell them to go stop a wave or go

815
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:35.280
make a plant.

816
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:40.199
The interview is winding down the work of his new life,

817
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:41.079
just gearing up.

818
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.679
I've got to help as many people as I can.

819
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:48.360
This isn't fun, you know, you're very nice and being interviewed.

820
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.800
But he was great. But like, it's so fun to

821
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.079
talk about this stuff. I don't like talking about it,

822
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.119
but I know it's going to help people to talk

823
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.559
about it. I know the book is going to hap people.

824
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.400
I'm very happy to have spent this time with you.

825
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:09.239
And you know this, I think probably, but you know,

826
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:15.800
every single person says, tell him he's got us with him.

827
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.360
Oh yeah, thank you. I'm very grateful for that. Okay,

828
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.519
we'll do it again, and yeah, let's do it again tomorrow.

829
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:29.400
Oh yeah, only different. Yeah, but ask the same questions.

830
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.960
And before we leave, there's a question he saw me

831
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.760
ask once before of someone else in recovery. He thinks

832
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:42.000
it's interesting, so I ask him to how will we

833
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.599
know when you're in trouble and you're not? Okay?

834
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.519
If I say I'm just going to chill alone at

835
00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:03.639
home tonight and partoon. If the other thing is, if

836
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:17.960
I ever say I'm cured and spin, it.

837
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.239
Could have had a historic ending of.

838
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:22.880
The Well that's not me.

839
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.880
And there you have it, and I'll keep you posted

840
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:33.280
on this case. It'll probably be a while before anything

841
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:38.159
progresses any further and we start having trials and all that.

842
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:41.400
If there are trials, most of these people will probably

843
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:43.800
plea bargain. But I will keep you up to date

844
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:59.360
on it. And until next time for exposed scandalous files

845
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:04.880
of the elite, I'm your host, Jim Chapman. Much love,

846
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