The Jailhouse Phone Calls of "Dee Dee" Moore

0:00 Hello, Hello, this is a free call from Dad. You may start the conversation now. Hello, Hello, Hey, it's this Howard. Yeah, yeah, Hey, what's up? That's a lot because y'all are I know you're getting my discovery soon, right. I don't know if you've done it yet, but I don't care. I have nothing to lose, Howard. I really didn't kill this man, so I really don't have enyhing to lose. Well, Lauria doesn't want me speaking to you. I don't care at this point. I want my side of that out there, if you're going to have my discovery out there. Because sure, okay, do you want to well tell me what? Tell me what you want to tell me? Because I was sporced. You know that you were forced when I.

0:42 Was supposed to talk to Greg Smith. That was sport. I was sported Greg Smith Ronald, and he was Ronald. The fictitious man. They say that I made up, the one that they say I made up. I have a question. Do you have an address that I can write to you where you get it in a day? Yeah, sure, you can send it to me right here at two hundred SOD Who is who is Ronald? Ronald is one of the guys that were there that night that I had told you about. Before, Right, But but what did I mean? What's his last name? Ronald' last don't know? What do you think that when you meet people that Abraham knew, they just introduced themselves as first and last name, like I'm supposed to know this associate of his. I don't you know. I don't care how funny it sounds.

1:31 I don't care how weird it sounds. I really don't care. I have nothing to lose. The stuff that they have in my discovery, you will see yourself when you look through it. All that money was done legitimately. It wasn't fundled or siphoned. How do they put it? That's ridiculous. I'm going to tell you this. I'm gonna send you a paper where I have wrote a bunch of stuff down so that you can compare it to what you see there. Okay, and then you do your own math. Because I can tell you I want to be in againist of the World records if I killed this man, because. Well, because I will be the dumbest criminal ever. Think of some of the stuff that's in there, okay, think of some of the complex things well, I'm going to be smart enough to try to conomy an out of money, but stupid enough to put him on my own property. Come on, Howard, anybody smarter than that if they didn't have other means. Okay, I know people put them on their own properties if they don't have other means.

2:28 I have a boat if I'm not sick in the head. Okay. So there's a lot of other factors in this, but I'm going to send them to you and you will see my side of the story. You and it will. So what happened, Tell me what happened? Tell me you were there? What happened? Two hundred two hundreds out pisis Well, I want to make sure I put it in writing so that way it can't be misquoted. I can't, you know what I mean. I don't want The biggest thing I want you to put in there is look in my discovery. You know how they said I said my son did it. That's the reason why I wouldn't call you for so long, you know, because my son got really upset because I would say something like that. It really hardest feelings. He's been high school, he has got high school. You know how peer pressure is in high school. I knew I didn't say that, but I didn't know exactly what I said because I was so scared at the time. I didn't know exactly what I said. I knew I was putting them off. I knew I was, you know, putting them off for what they were telling me, but I didn't know exactly how I put in it. And know, let me talk about it the next day or whatever.

3:33 That's how tunnel vision I was because I was so scared. You tell what that's how you know tunnel vision I was as far as you know, how you get put you get scared about something, you're worried. I couldn't think of everything because I talked to him for so many you know, so much, so much. But in my recorded conversation with them when I was in that room, I kept wanting to know what I said because the next say, I was tired that night too, and the next day they said, I said, my son. I knew I didn't say it like that. I knew if anything, I would put them off. I would have said, you know what I mean something if they could have even interpreted it that way. Well, in the Discovery, it clearly says, and in the tape recording it clearly says no, did my son do it? No? I say no they. I asked how the police can put something like that in the paper.

4:26 My lawyer told me they can because they can try to see if anybody will call a negative about you. It's to get you to have a negative light towards the public, so they can see what people will say. Well, you know what, I think that's wrong. If I didn't say that, the more I put in there that I said that could because. They won't, you know what, because they said it in open court, And that's that's different. If somebody just said it, it would have been different. But they said it an open chord, which makes it which opens it up for us to be able to say, okay, well tell me it wasn't true. Well we didn't know that. Yeah, wait, no one no one said it was. I mean, no one said it wasn't true. That's and you're saying that wasn't true. Well, you look in the discovery and you will hear a tape recorded conversation. And we don't have we don't have a tape court.

5:07 We were not getting that right now. Okay, Well, what are you getting. We're just getting four thousand pages of documents, but you don't know what it is. I don't know in nine of the police reports and about sixteen hundred pages of bank records. Yeah, that doesn't that isn't true. Whether I killed him him. You know, he gave eight million dollars away away for me meeting him. Come on, he gives eight million away. This wasn't reading him, this was this isn't mean I meet and he gave eight million away. Hello, they're going to make me kill him. I had the money in my possession. January, the house was turned over to me.

5:52 He told people, I bought the house. He told the guy from the hood system. He told his neighbor. He told, you know, it's not like he didn't tell you. Well, I'll give you the names so you can investigate them. He said. He said he bought the house. Huh, he said he bought. No, he told people I bought the house from him. Hey, book, He went around telling people I bought the house for him. If you call Hoop the company Hoop, there is a hoop guy that came out there, did the septic and he can put hoops. Yes, it's h o O t. It's O O T. If you want to say an accurate story, you know, do both sides. No, absolutely, so did he tell me? What? Can you tell me? What happened that night?

6:34 We'll wait? Did right down? Hoo hoo h o olp septic and they're out of Lakeland. Yeah, it's h o O T hoo right, h o op like hoop. No hoot, it's like hoot as an owl. Oh hoo h o O T hoop sceptic. Okay, they have I can get the full name. That's the I'll find a hoot sceptic hoot septic. The other thing is is that there is a guy, there's two of them actually, that he told that I bought his bad debt from and he is what the debt? I think?

7:17 No bad debt, bad debt, bad debt. Yeah, okay, but he tells people. But I will put that in the letter to you and everything will be written out and then you make your own decisions. You put what you want to know. If you get my discovery and you have questions on it, call me, but you know when you're I'll call. You in jail. Are you going to talk to anyone else? Nope, I'm not talking to nobody else, because you at least will go by side for the story. You'll tell the truth. Yeah, I mean, I'll definitely call you up. Uh you know, but you know what they're gonna ask. The trouble with the jail is, honestly, they got to call your lawyer. And if the lawyer says no, not let you talk, but so call me, call me, call me today.

8:00 If you've called me, then I'll call you back. Okay, Look, I'll call. You later on today after I go to school today, so after about maybe I'll have to do it after lockdown. Though. What time do you leave the office? Uh? You know, I usually around four, but you know I can wait. No, I don't want to have to wait. I'll just do it before. Okay, See, I go to school, I get back at three. I think, Well, of school, it's computer class here, so yeah, I'm. Taking Did you should tell me what happened? It's business administration? Well what on a second, I don't know how much I can tell. You know, I've got to be careful to protect myself too. I don't care, but my lawyer does, you know. But I have to be careful on how I word it because you know I didn't do this hour. If the common sense doesn't help the American public, know, what will I mean, there's just a lot of common sense here to it. If I'm smart enough to do all the money stuff, wouldn't you think I'd be smart enough to not to put him on my own property killing him in the only carpeted room in the house. Where right' it's premeditated. But I'm gonna kill him in the only carpeted room in the house on premeditation. There's a lot of things that are wrong with the story a bunch.

9:28 So is the game. Ronald. Yeah, a guy named Ronald wasn't the killer. He was with the guy that killed him, who was a killer. I don't know his name. That's the whole problem. Why the cops say I'm making it up? Why don't I do this. I'm going to try to get a sketch artist to sketch him, and then I'll give you that and you can put it in the paper and see if we give any. Leaders to describe him for me, white, black, big, small? Was he wearing, Oh, he's I've got all that written down, but he's he's. I don't know if it's. Cuban descent, but Hesuban. I don't know if it's Cuban. He speaks, he can speak Spanish.

10:08 I know that Spanish. And the other guy, Ronald, is black. Ronald's black, okay, but describe, I mean describe it. I can't just he was black or Spanish? I mean, do you have any other description for him? I'm trying to think. What what does Ronald look like? Tall than short, Ronald's he's about five eight maybe. Five eight as much? Does he weigh. Probably about two pounds. Maybe he's about two hundred pounds? Okay? And what was he wearing? Remember it's been freaking over a year and something. I do not I can't, I don't even want to.

10:49 And and what what? Uh? What was the other guy wearing? What it was he big? Small, round, short, fat, muscular, average age, but the average? And did he did he light skin? Dark skin? I guess medium, medium tone. But he spokes on Spanish? Do you know what he said in Spanish? My goodness, I'm trying to think of this has been a year and something ago, Howard. I mean, I wasn't even thinking that, you know, they killed the man. I wasn't, you know, thinking I had to remember everything from not one of those. I don't. I don't worry. I know that I heard him talk in Spanish.

11:42 You know him Spanish, don't we? Who was he talking Spanish? Too? He was Spanish? So why they why they kill him? Oh? This speak? You're gonna if I told you this, then you're gonna say a team from me. And I'd rather it comes from the people I heard it from. You know, I'd rather them call you and tell you. Who's gonna call me. I'm gonna see if I can't get them to call you, because we have the tickness. We have a witness on my side, and I found out what happened and why they went over there.

12:23 But okay, I'm gonna give you a little bit of it. Okay. I just don't want them to be able to see me if this is not true, and I'm hoping you know. That. I'm just not I don't want to put somebody else through what I went through if it's not true. I don't want to ruin somebody else's life like mine's been ruined from this. And I don't think it's fair to ruin somebody's life if they had nothing to do with this. But I was told that Sentorria Butler and Antoine andrew the mother of the kids, that Tori is the one that originally sent him over there. The videos which and Antoinette Andrews and vice Wolia Butler, you know Sincelia Butler, Yes, okay, you know the video tape that they say that helps them their sight up the story. You know, the video tape.

13:21 That videotape does nothing but help me. That videotape proves that I had nothing to do with it. That video tape, there's nothing but exonerate me. It is because in the video, Abraham's discussing how many people he wants to get back at. He's wanting, you know, for me to do all these collections, not for him. He even says, I even say, I think in it, do you want me to you know, tell on my own needs collections. He wants to do it out of principle for the fact that these people have taken advantage of him and he didn't like it. He hated being asked all the time, and they, you know, they did that, and he wanted me to go and collect for him. So he goes and he talks about that on the videotape. The other thing it does is it's got Centoria on a video recording of it saying how much of a piece of garbage it Abraham is, how horrible he is, how nasty?

14:17 Wait? Waitit piece of garbage Abraham is? This is on video? Yes, it's on video. Who has this video? But share supported. Hillsborough County. It's on a tony hand account. They have it and lock up. That's the one that they just took and they just got Sep had that. I had given it, already had it before they go. I don't know, I don't understand it. I wasn't quite sure what the deal was with that friend. I gave them everything they wanted access to when they were in Polk County. You know, I didn't have none to hide. The only thing I did wrong, the only thing I did wrong in this whole investigation, was talked to Greg Smith. And that's because they said they were gonna kill my son. I didn't do that out of wanting to. They told me they were going to kill my son, and slice you mind.

15:09 You said they were gonna kill your son, kill your son. The imaginary man. So as far as Tori goes, so I've got along video tape. She wasn't supposed to get a dime. A dime from Abraham. Abraham says, I will give all my money away. I will sell everything off before you get one dime. That weekend, they. Had a fight in front of uh I can get to the guy's name. In front of Babra's store. It's in Lakeland. They had a part. It's in front of Babra's store. It's like a fashion store off of one of the trees. I call it baby store, Bab's store. But yeah, but that's not the name of I'll have to find out what that's the guy's thing. So I'll have to find out what the name of the store.

16:04 Is for you. But they have a fight. Okay, he's on the phone with her. They had this big fight. Toy has put a dent in every car he owned. Plus, he never wanted her to have cast because she smokes marijuana. And he never wanted her to have cast because the first when he met her, she was a stripper. That's how they met. She came over to do a strip dance for him at the house, and that's how they met. And everybody will tell you that she came over as a paid stripper for him, and he felt like she had that baby on purpose to and trap him.

16:45 So let's go, let's go to the night. If we could to the night of what happened. You'd like to, but I've got to, you know, be careful myself there. So I'm gonna because I've got to make sure what parts I can't say so, but trust me, I listen, Howard, who in the heck what's to me? And you just at the record, you don't think it seems kind of funny to kill a man putting in my own yard when I have a boat, I have other means. I've seen every TV show that out there known the mankind. When you kill a person, you tie what concrete to him and throw him overboard into the water somewhere where they don't find them, and just throw away the gun. You don't keep everything, you don't, you know, Favan as a sevenir in the backyard. That's pretty disgusting to think that somebody's in the backyard. I was told there was money being buried in the backyard. That's what I was told was being buried in the backyard.

17:49 What's in your locker? Locker the storage locker in the plant City run to stop papers, don't money any money in there, They're welcome to open it up. I thought they opened that up before. I have no idea. I didn't. I didn't really know anything. One of your former sheellmates came and talked to me or to call me the phone. Really a former sell She. Said that you said there you wanted to talk to me, and I don't her name was, I don't remember her name. Why would she bring up a storagelocker? She said, you wanted me to check on your storage locker, I plan city.

18:29 She must have called the wrong person I want. I wanted her to see if my stuff was still there so that my mom would say the bill. How stupid it wasn't that she just called you up and said I want to check on her storagelocker. I wouldn't ask you to check on the storage locker. She got the wrong person. Let me. Ultimately, one minute remaining. If I could be my desk is asking if I can record this conversation. I haven't yet. Well, the problem is with record, it's already recorded by the TV. Huh no, no for TV purposes. Oh, for TV purposes yeah, yeah, let me. I'll have to call you back because I only got one minute left.

19:13 It said, let right call me call me back. Okay, I'll do that, Okay, thanks the caller. Hello, this is a free call from you. May start the conversation now, hey d D. Yeah, You're gonna put you on speaker. Okay, hold on, okay ready, and it's gonna be recorded, just so you know. Okay, okay, can you hate talk DD? Okay, let's say D yeah. Y can you talk? Yeah? Okay, okay. You want to mitigate similar mine here, here's one that you can investigate. Super Choice Foods, Super Choice Foods. It's in Lake one off a Memorial Highway. Say you say that again.

19:53 It's called super Choice Foods, super. Choice food It's it's on Memorial House Highway, Memorial Highway. It's Jamianda Johmond ziad owns it. It's j I M A M D. He answered, okay. Jaman zaid, yeah, that's the one that Abraham loaned a million dollars to. Okay, asked for an employee by his name of Nathaniel Thomas. Nathaniel Thomas Thomas, Yes, he works there. Nathaniel went and told this is how they scared me too.

20:36 Nathaniel went, Now this police informat they have working for them, Greg Smith, he's scaring me. He brought me a recording that he recorded. He went up to different courts foods, He got Nathaniel Thomas out front and recorded Nathaniel. And you can ask Nathaniel if this conversation did not happen. He recorded a conversation with Nathaniel Thomas of the how Poppy, how Demad's Ayad was going to kill me, and how he was going to get away with it, how he would fly from California to New York. Now, I doubt Poppy was even going to do that. I think that they did it just to scare me. I doubt we even said that. They just did it to scare me.

21:23 So they kept making me think Poppy was out to hurt me, and he wasn't. They were just trying to scare me. Say so, tell me so you talked, So you talked to Nathaniel, and he'll tell you that he had the conversation. That recording is in also evidence because Greg Smith recorded Nathaniel and then brought it to me in front of Judy Megan's and played it for me telling me that Poppy wanted to kill me. That soo and uh and Andrews told me the same thing. She was telling me. Ye Antwoinette was telling me the same thing, and she was calling me trying to scare me.

22:06 She was she said she would kill you. No, no, she was trying to tell me that Poppy was trying, you know, say things want to go just to scare me, you do. I want to go back to what we talked about earlier. Is now we're on tape here, he said a guy named Ronald? Was there another guy? Talk about that again? Talk about that night you said you didn't do it. Go ahead, tell me what what the conversation you said. Let's just go back over that. I told you. I don't want to go over that part until you know. I talked to you. What about you said that? I tell you if there was two guys, a guy named law and he told me that the other guy killed him.

22:47 He said, the other guy killed him. You didn't see it. I can't say all that. Did you see what happened? Trust me? They forced me to say that I didn't see it happened. Now, okay, he did see it happened they they forced you to say that. Yeah, now what about I don't know until he I didn't know he was bought until January when everybody else did. When I found out, I was completely shocked. I was That's why I you know, I went. I went to Greg. Yes, I lied to the cops. I would if I could have told him a pink elephant shot him with the trunk, I would have because I was scared. These people were saying they were to kill my son and the cops didn't believe me. All I asked for the cops to do for me to describe.

23:36 The guy I seen and talked to. All I asked and would do was to protect my son. I told everybody a different story because I couldn't tell which one was going back to Ronald and telling him everything I was saying to the cops, because every time I turned around, he knew exactly what I told the cops, exactly to the tea what I told the cops. Why you told you taught a police all these different stories because you were afraid of Ronald. Yeah, and I told him that. And when they when they brought me into questioning on my questioning tape, on my tape, in questioning, I say the same thing. I tell them, you're blackmailing me. You're trying to get me to tell you something you know, and I want protection from my son. All they had to do was put my son in protection, and that's it. They would never do that. What does that hurt? How is that going to hurt anything? If if they would have protected my son and then I told them and they said it found out it was a lie, then throw the book at me, hit me forty five years in prison, make me an old lady. I don't care, but at least protect him. They think I wasn't scared, Oh, I would act to no more right. I've never cursed in my life.

24:52 I don't. I don't have a foul mouth. But I did when I was with Greg Smith. I didn't ask myself. I was scared and I had to ACTI normal. Less can be just to get out of all of this because I was scared to death and they can say, oh, I was having fun, I was doing this, I was doing that. That's when I thought he was alive. I thought he was just being stubborn and not coming back on purpose. If I knew if he was dead, I wouldn't have did all that stuff. I wouldn't have went to went to where did I? I went to the Holy Limb with his mom. That would be pretty sick of me as an individual to do. Something like that, to go to ubber Liliam with her and pray Steedie. When did you find out that Abraham was dead?

25:36 Not until a couple of days before they recovered um a couple days before? What a couple of days before they recovered the body? And how'd you find out? Ronald? By? Ronald told you? And what did Royle tell you? He told me that they buried him where they were supposed to be bearing money, and they took the money. And how much money? Probably over a million? Over a million. Now, so you saw that he was burying money on your property? Yeah? Because who buries his money? It's in the tap recordings and Antoina Andrews knows. I wouldn't think no big deal about him.

26:24 His money is buried. He buries money, that's what he does. Okay, where was the money buried? It was supposed to be buried on my property. But they buried him with not the money, So. You thought that they were digging a hole to bury his money, yes, and said it was a million dollars for more, and and what what happened to that money? I don't know. If I knew that, I wouldn't be in jail, now would I. So basically, you're saying that a million dollars out there that was taken by a guy named Ronald who dug a hole in your yard, who thought they would be burying money, but not. Instead they buried Abraham.

27:09 I know it sounds stupid. I know that sounds so far fetched, it's ridiculous. But you got to think of how it sounds too to say that I knew something like that was going to happen. Abraham buries his money in his videotape. He does that, but you know that's not abnormal for him. He told Tory on the phone, he buried his money, you know. So when he they told me that he wanted to bury money, I had no problem with it. Anybody would say, okay, go ahead. Why would you question that. It was something normal he did. He was out of the ordinary. He was what I said, he was out of the ordinary.

27:50 He was out of it. Yeah, okay, Now is this in discovery at all, that the bearing of the money. No, absolutely, not okay, So no one knows this, no, okay? And and so when did when did Ronald tell you? Did he tell you by phone? Did he visit you? No? He that's something that will be discussed in sport. But there's a way he's contacted me. So and said, how did he contact him? I said, there was a way he contacted me. He didn't contact me by phone. We had two way radios. And why did you use two way radios? So? He said, the tracks?

28:32 And and and so how often did you talk to him by two way radio? Not that often? And and you were introduced to him by Abraham? M h. When were you introduced to him? The night. Of that night, the night of the knight? Yeah, the night the night of No, I said the night of the night that he. Got shot, the night he got shot. So you would talk to him before, but didn't. Had you talked him before Abraham got shot? No, I'd never met it before that. So Abraham gets shot, you don't know it, but you contact he contacts you by two way radio. Did you have a two way radio?

29:21 You can't. It's not like that. It's more complicated that. It wasn't like he just contacts me, and you know, this was further down. We didn't even do the two way radio until I found out he was dead. Like way back, when the police start looking for him. When the police start looking for him and stuff, that's when Ronald starts coming to me because he doesn't want people to find out that they had anything to do with it. So well, police started looking for him back in September or earlier before, long before he was killed, and he didn't tell me. He kept telling me he was going to come, he was coming to town. He kept procrastinating time. Ronald kept telling me. But I thought you didn't meet Ronald and untill the night that Abraham was shot.

30:01 I know that, but afterwards. Okay, so you're talking about a year later. Now Abraham's not He's still missing, but he's as a missing person. It's in September, okay now right, and the cops are looking for him. Okay. I still think that Abraham is still alive. I believe he is still alive. I don't think he's dead. He is still alive. At this point, Ronald keeps telling me he's going to come back to now. I keep thinking people are seeing him. People keep telling me they're seeing them. A guy said he's seen him at the Magic Game. I didn't have nothing to do with that, asked the guy that said he's seen him at the Magic game. Judy at the magic or magic Yep, Judy the Higgins talk to a guy that said she he's seeing him at the Magic Game.

30:46 So why is people telling us that's nothing to do with me. I'm not making up these stories. That has nothing to do with me. So ask those people why they made up that they've seen him when they didn't. How about the aide. Let's go to dab. There's age text Abraham. Abraham had these texts going around about him having aids. I didn't start that, find out trace that trace that cell phone. Because who started that conversation? Whoever? Was? I know his lawyer? Uh had said in court that he was going to Europe for some treatment of some disease. This after he is dead. Did his lawyer know he was dead? Was his lawyer? No?

31:32 No, not that I know of, mister Howard Titchel, Yeah, not that I know of now, because I didn't even know. I really believed he was a lot they kept every time we turned around. I took his mom to a hospital where they said he was dying of AIDS. If I knew he was dead, do you think I'm going to be carrying his mom to a hospital to find out? Don't you think that I would either run having that kind of money, just run leave like O J subtender OJ. Yeah? What do you think? I just put the hottaeler out of here? Why would I stick around? I wanted to know what happened for him. I wanted to know if he was okay. If I wouldn't kept searching. They had no right to search my property. I knew that I could have stopped searching. You know I did this to myself. I knew if I just kept my mouth shut, I would be fine. But I wanted to know just right now I could keep my mouth sut that.

32:29 I wanted to know he had the age text back to that. He kept getting texts. We kept getting these texts that he had AIDS. I went on the computer because Ronald told me he had AIDS and he wanted to go to Jamaica. I'm looking up places for him to go cause I hear this rumor and I'm looking up places. Why would I go and look up places and stuff? And as an alibi for when they find out we passed away. Are you sick he's on my property. There's no alibia I could think of, you know, that would get past the point that, hello, he's on my property. You know, So what about I mean you were told me about how how crazy it was to be to bury your body on your property.

33:14 That's disgusting, It's very disgusting. It's very disturbing. If if people nobody deserves to be buried like a piece of garbay on Barry, nobody's. Abraham doesn't even deserve that. He deserves the stoper buried. No one deserves that. And and Abraham was shot by uh uh was a smith question? Yeah, I didn't feel that because you know what part she got? Oh that was already in the paper. So yeah, yeah, yeah so so. But but you didn't see it, you didn't hear it. We were you in the house. I'm not going to suit myself in that predicament because how they twist things. And and they're already gonna have a field day with this. People are gonna have a field day. They're gonna make fun of it. They're gonna be all judgmental, they're gonna say this is crazy, it's ludicrous.

34:10 I don't care. It's the truth. You know. I lied to get myself in this, and maybe the truth this time will set me free, you know, maybe the truth will set me free because I lied because I was scared. I didn't have a choice. So Ronald and the other guy whose name you don't know are still out there, Yes, absolutely, What do you say to those folks who might find this a little bit incredulous that you know two guys who don't really know did this when they're like you gave five versions of what happened, or when each version you were in that room at the time. Because they forced me to say that because they were going to kill my kid, and any mother would care less about what she's happened to do to protect her sons.

35:00 I'm sorry. I'm a mother that loves my friend to death. My son is a great kid, He's wonderful, and he would never ever have shot Abraham. Now, what about I mean, if those guys are still out there, are you still worried about them doing something? Well, my mom put it simple to me. I was worried. This is why I haven't talked to anybody about saying anything. I was going to just wait and never say anything because I was scared about them coming after RJ. But like mom says, the last thing they're going to do is her RJ now because it would make my story true and believable. So they're not going to hurt him because then it would prove. That I was telling the truth the whole time.

35:43 So you think that, So you're saying that because it would make your story seem true. They're not going to hurt him now, right, So he's protected now because the story's out there. Yeah, well, mom says that. Mom steels he won't be hurting your mom. Yeah, I told them to still, you know, watch out for him and everything. But they don't know. Everybody doesn't know where he's living. Either, So I have more protection than that. People don't know his address. And I hope that you don't put that in the paper. No, no, no, he's a miner. We're not gonna do that. Oh yeah, you put him in the paper that he was a minor. But you put him in the paper that you said his mom said, you know, he killed somebody. You know, hespect is that he's a fifteen year old child.

36:28 That is pretty sick. Well, when a prosecutor says shows like that open court, it's impossible to ignore. Well, the prosecutor should have went over the tapes and the evidence of what I said. So what's what else can you tell me? Just that if you check out Nathaniel Thomas's story, he will tell you that you know he did say that conversation with Greg Smith. So Greg Smith won't be out there thinking he can just get away with all this stuff. You know that was wrong. You shouldn't have done that. And I know, one day, even if I'm in prison five years, I don't care.

37:15 One day this guy will be taught and I will be one of those two hundred and fifty nine people exonerated. There's two hundred and fifty nine people right now that have been exonerated. From DNA testing to proof they didn't do a crime. Two hundred and fifty nine people. That's one too many people that you have convicted. And how in death row wrongly accused? Right, you're not facing row, You're. Not having this, no, no, But the thing is, you've got my whole life. I'm sitting here, okay. The biggest problem I have is I'm in jail, right now. And they're saying I kill the person. They're not saying I cook him for a walk. They're saying I killed the purpose by myself. Okay, by myself. And I'm still mentally sane.

38:00 You've got to be kidding me. And not only did I kill a person, but I took this money first. Why would I think it after? You know, that would make sense for Steet. You get to kill a person and take all the money. I took all the money first. Why would I need to kill him? Then? Like a mom said on TV, that clarifies it. He would give me anything I wanted, anything I wanted. He made that comment herself. Aber you have one. Minute, approximately one minute remaining. The last thing he needs to do is kill him. A hiddie. Let's let's talk again later in the afternoon. Okay, I will. Thanks. Thanks,