March 25, 2026

The Hockey Mom

The Hockey Mom
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Season 1

Jim tells you the unbelievable story of a “staycation” gone wrong for Minnesota mom Allison Schardin.

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Hey, welcome back to Exposed, Scandalous Files of the Elite.

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I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and I am doing something

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a little different today. I decided to drop a bonus

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episode for all, just on a random day, not on

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my normal drop day, and this one regards a hockey mom.

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Now.

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I released this as a bonus episode on Patreon gosh,

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probably a year and a half ago. Great episode got

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a lot of response, but I want people out there

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to know what you can look forward to if you're

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a Patreon subscriber, and I thought a cool way to

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do that would be to drop it on the regular

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feed so everyone can kind of get an idea of

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the extras that you get on the Patreon. So this

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is just a little lane yapp as we say here

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in Louisiana. Not a normal, typical drop day for Exposed,

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but something that I thought those of you that are

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not a subscriber yet on Patreon, you may enjoy hearing

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a bonus episode that hasn't been released on the regular feed.

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Or you may be a Patreon member who has not

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caught this episode. It's been quite a while since I

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put it out so here it is. I hope you

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enjoy it. It's called the Hockey Mom Much love, and

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today I'm gonna bring you an absolutely wild story of

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Alison Shardon, known as the hockey Mom of Minnesota. So

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I've got to say first and foremost that I can

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a lot of stories where it's like mom's going wild, right,

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especially as it relates to the Bad Teachers series, But

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I do not think I've come across anything quite like this.

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So let's get right into the story. It's kind of

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a short but sweet one, and it starts in Blaine, Minnesota,

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where Alison Lee Sharden lives with her two children and husband. Now,

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a little history on Alison. She was a well known

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figure in her Minnesota town and very talented, especially in

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her youth as it related to singing. At the age

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of seven, she was singing and acting in community theater productions.

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And I'm not just talking about regular singing. She was

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a singer in the opera even at an early age.

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She was so talented, in fact, that she never stopped

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singing in the opera all the way up to this incident.

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She had a master's degree in music and vocal performance.

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This was from the University of Minnesota, and really performed

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in operas all over the state of Minnesota and beyond,

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and she was, I mean super talented. Now, behind the scenes,

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life was not as great as it appeared for Allison.

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In twenty twenty two, she was arrested for DWI. However,

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that case got dismissed, likely to some pre trial things

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that she did, but that's just a guess on my part.

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In December of twenty twenty three, she files for divorce

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from her husband. Then on January twenty second of twenty

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twenty four, everything goes downhill. For this check police are

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called regarding an incident that took place just the week prior.

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Now I have a copy of the probable cause statement

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from the arrest and its shocking to be quite honest,

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and here's how it reads. On January twenty second of

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twenty twenty four, police were notified that an adult female

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later fully identified as Allison Lee Shardon date of birth

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eight seven of nineteen eighty five, engaged in criminal sexual

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conduct with team members from a Colorado sixteen and under

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hockey team while the team was in Minnesota for a

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hockey tournament. The crimes occurred the evening of January fourteenth,

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twenty twenty four into the early morning hours of January

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fifteenth of twenty twenty four, at a hotel in Ramsey County, Minnesota,

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where the team was staying during a tournament. Sharden engaged

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in sexual contact, oral penetration, and digital penetration of a

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fifteen year old male identified here in as V one,

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and sexual contact with a different fifteen year old mail

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identified here in his V two. A sixteen year old

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mail also identified here in his V three, was present.

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Following a team dinner the evening of January fourteenth of

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twenty twenty four, members of the Colorado sixteen and underboys

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hockey team went to the hotel's pool area. When they arrived, Shardon,

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who had met some of the boys the day before,

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was in the sauna with members of an eighteen and

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under team. V one said rather than go to the

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pool right away, he was in his room packing for

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their return trip home the next day when he received

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a photo of Shardon from a teammate with a message

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telling him, quote you won't believe what happened unquote, and

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telling him to come down to the pool area and

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hang with the team. So we did. Shardan left the

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sauna and got in a hot tub, which the under

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sixteen boys, including V one, V two, and V three,

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were hanging around. She was talking with the boys about

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problems with her husband and said she had cheated on

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him a few times and had sex a couple of

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weeks ago before at the hotel with a junior eighteen

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to twenty year old hockey player. She said she and

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her husband were trying to work it out, but he

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hits her. V two said at one point, Shardon's husband

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came to the pool area and yelled words to the

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effect of quote, if you don't come upstairs or relationship

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is over unquote. The boys left the pool area at

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curfew around twenty two hundred hours, which is ten o'clock y'all,

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And then later that night, V one, V two, and

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V three plus one other snuck back down and met

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Shardan back at the pool, her husband came down and

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started talking about it being the last chance for their marriage.

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The boys, along with two other teammates, returned to V

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one's room. Sometime later, Shardon messaged V one via snapchat

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saying she and her husband had gotten into an argument

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and asked, quote, can I come into your room? Two

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of the teammates did not want Shardon coming to the room,

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but V one said he agreed to let her come

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in because her husband was abusive and she needed help.

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Shardon then went into V one's room, and the two

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other teammates immediately left, leaving V one, V two, and

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V three alone in the room with her. Once inside

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the room, Shardon continued to tell the boy she was

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afraid of her husband. Shardon left briefly at one point,

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and upon her return, stayed for another hour. Shardon then

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started talking about sex and stuff. Shardon, V one, and

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V two ended up in bed together with their backs

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against the headboard while V three was sitting in a chair,

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and then moved to the other bed. Shardon continued to

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ask the boy's sexual questions, including how sexually active they were,

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and specifically asked V three what sexual things he liked

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to do with his girlfriend. During their conversation, Shardon asked

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each one of them how old they were, and they

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told her their correct ages. They also told her they

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played for a sixteen and under team. She told them

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that she was thirty eight and they were young enough

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to be her kids. Shardon told V one and V

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two that they could quote touch her tits, which they

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did while still seated between V one and V two.

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Shardon removes her pants. V two said Sharden told V

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one to quote explore down there, as she put her

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hand over his hand and moved it to her vaginal area.

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V three said he saw both V one and V

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two touching Shardon between her legs on the vaginal area,

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but it was under a blanket, so he didn't know

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exactly what they touched. V three said that Shardon also

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kissed both V one and V two for a bit,

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and then asked V two and V three to give

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her in V one privacy, so V two and V

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three go into the bathroom. V one said that after

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V two left his bed, Shardon performed oral sex on him,

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which he defined as a quote blowjob with her mouth

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on his penis. V two and V three each said

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they peeked around the corner from the bathroom and saw Shardon,

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who was nude, with V one's penis in her mouth.

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V two also said he heard Shardon ask V one

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to do the same to her, but V one declined.

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Shardon also asked V one to quote finger her, which

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V one said meant putting his fingers in her vagina.

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He said that that happened, but not for very long

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because he felt very uncomfortable while Shardon was engaging V

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one in sex acts. V two and V three left

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the room. As they were leaving, Shardon asked V three

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if he had a condom, which he he did not.

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V one said he was thankful because he did not

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want things to go that far and Shardon was insisting

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upon them having sex. V one said that Shardan was

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saying things like, let's just do more, Let's have sex.

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We're already here. You already have a thirty eight year

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old woman, a female in your bed. Don't you want

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to do more. V one described feelings stuck in the

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moment and did not know how to say no. He

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said that in his head his response was quote not really,

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but he responded by saying, quote sure, though he wasn't

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totally on board with it. V one ultimately told Shardon

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that he had to go to bed because he had

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a game the next day, and she left. The sixteen

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and under hockey team had a game at twelve thirty

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pm on January fifteenth of twenty twenty four. V one

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said that in between periods, while in the locker room,

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Shardon texted them to confirm they were playing on a

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specific rink. They did not want her to come, so

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they told her they had already lost. Shardon walked in

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a short time later. V one said they all started

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getting nervous, and he was shaking on the bench at

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one point because he wanted to leave what happened the

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night before in the past, and she was just trying

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to follow them. It was really creepy, he said. After

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returning to Colorado, Shardon texted V one saying the words

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to the effect of quote, I will do or say

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anything you want, just don't tell the police or report

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what happened unquote. V one responded that he did not

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want anything from her, that he wouldn't report it, and

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that she needed to leave him alone. He then blocked

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her on his cell phone. V one does not know

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who made the report to police. V two provided police

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with a message Shardon sent him on Snapchat on January sixteenth,

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twenty twenty four, at one thirty nine pm, and the

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message strange. Shardon asked v V two how V one

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was doing, saying that she hoped he was not mad

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at her. During the conversation, Shardon asked if V one

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regrets it, and V two replied yeah. Should I ask

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him done block you? Shardon responded please, and V two

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said yeah, he does. Shardon then went on to apologize

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for going to their game. And I also said, quote,

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I didn't know, he didn't want me to. I feel

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so bad that he regrets getting his first blow job

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unquote this chick here. Shardan was arrested and taken into

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custody on February first of twenty twenty four. She opted

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to waive her legal rights and speak with police. Shardon

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said that she and her husband, along with her two children,

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went to the Cleveland Avenue Hotel in Roseville for a

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staycation the week of January thirteenth of twenty twenty four.

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While in the pool area on Saturday night, she there

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were multiple boys hockey teams staying at the hotel. She

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made casual conversation with some of the boys who were

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around fifteen or sixteen years old while sitting in the

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hot tub. Shardon said the next night, January fourteenth, of

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twenty twenty four, she went back to the pool area

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to get away from her husband because they were not

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getting along. She went into the sauna where there were

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several boys. The boys asked her for her quote socials,

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and they exchanged information. The boys also took a photo

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with her. Shardon said she enjoyed the attention. Shardan left

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the sauna and went back to the pool, where she

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continued to engage with various boys and exchanged social media information.

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She said that some of the younger boys invited her

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to their room, an invitation she accepted just to get

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away from her husband. Shardon said she was in a

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hotel room with three juvenile boys. She admitted to kissing

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a couple of the boys and claimed they asked her

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to take her clothes off, to which she initially said no.

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She also admitted lying in bed with one of the

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boys quote kissing, and I gave him oral sex and

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I think he like fingered me for a little bit

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and that was it unquote. Shardon further admitted to asking

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the boys if anyone had a condom, but claimed she

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wasn't going to go through with it. Shardon said, I

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think I just things were just starting to progress, and

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I think I thought about it for a minute and

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then I was just like, yeah, no, that's not And

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I think it was at that point it was evident

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that V one was kind of uncomfortable. Shardon also admitted

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to engaging in sexual contact with V. Two. And that

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was the statement of probable calls and actually very well written,

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better than most that I come across. Of course, the

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subject matter is a little bit disturbing, but very thorough

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in what written, which is what you look for out

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of these probable cause affidavits. Now, she gets charged with

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several counts, including third degree penetration of a victim fourteen

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to fifteen and fourth degree sexual conduct with a victim

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fourteen to fifteen, and she's placed in jail. She eventually

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bails out five days later. Now, something strange to me anyway,

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occurs on April fourteenth of twenty twenty four, some three

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months after this incident, when her husband and herself withdraw

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that divorce proceeding. Remember I told you they had filed

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for divorce prior to this quote staycation. Well, they withdraw it,

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and you would think it would be just the opposite, right,

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But note somewhere between this incident and three months later

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they totally reconcile, and so on May twenty second of

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twenty twenty four, she enters her plea at a preliminary hearing,

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and of course she pleads not guilty. Why because you

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know she wants to work out some sort of deal

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with prosecutors, And no matter how guilty you really are,

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it almost never happens that at a preliminary hearing someone

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pleads guilty. They're looking for a deal, right, And eventually

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that's exactly what happens. On October fourth of twenty twenty four,

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Allison changes her plea on the third degree charge to guilty,

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and as part of that deal, the fourth degree count

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gets totally dismissed, and the prosecutors also agree to cap

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any jail time she sentenced to to a cap of

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eight months. So it's at that point that Shardon is

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set to be sentenced, and that occurs January tenth of

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twenty twenty five, just a couple of months ago. At

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her sentencing hearing, Judge Joy Barster gave Shardon credit for

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the five days that she spent in jail after her

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arrest and ordered her to serve two more weekends in

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jail and perform two hundred hours of community service. She

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also had to receive mental health treatment and have no

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unsupervised contact with juvenile boys period, and she must be

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registered as a what's none as predatory offender in Minnesota

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for ten years now. Ahead of the sentencing, the prosecution

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actually asked the court in a court filing for an

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eight month jail sentence, and they pointed out the defendants

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behavior was not a momentary lapse in judgment, that it

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was clearly planned. Why else would an adult exchange contact

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information with juveniles? She just met at a hotel and

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then go later to their room, and remember she left

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that room and came back. The filing went on to

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urge the court to treat the defendants behavior as being

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no less serious than if the defendant were a man

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and the victim were girls, if the genders were reversed.

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There are few who will believe that leniency is appropriate.

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And that's a quote from the prosecutors, and I one

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hundred percent agree with them. The filing detailed some of

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the impact the assault had on her victims, quote, they

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have lost friends, They have had to endure whispers and

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harmful comments from others as if they were perpetrators. The

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prosecutors said both victims were initially suspended from their hockey team,

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though they were later reinstated after they explain what happened,

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and that victory was short lived, however, as team officials

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decided to cancel the rest of this. And I'm sure, look,

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they probably had chaperones on that trup and I don't

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know where the chaperons were, but I'm you know, and

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they were kind of at fault as well. They're not

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at thought for her conduct, but somebody dropped a ball

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in watching these kids, right, so they have it. I

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told you it was crazy, just a wild one there

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from the state of Minnesota. And I have another bind

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his surprise for you today and that's an interview I

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just did a couple of weeks ago with Emmy Award

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winning journalist Kieren Challa. Now Kieren is the host of

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Louisiana Unfiltered, a podcast that I produce recently both Kieran

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and My Little rock Star podcast or host of Unspeakable

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Kelly Jennings accompany me to meet the legend himself, Chris Hansen.

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Of course, Chris Hansen is the former host of Dateline

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NBCs to Catch a produce. Now he does a show

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called Takedown with Chris Hans and it's on the True

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Balloon Network and I'm a consultant with the Livingston Parish

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Sheriff's Office who within the past few months behind the

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scenes filming episodes as predators were being taken down right

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here in Livingston Parish Louisiana, and I joined Karen on

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her podcast to discuss just that. And here's that full

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podcast with Louisiana Unfiltered. If you enjoy it, go check

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her out, give her a follow. Just search Louisiana Unfiltered

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enjoyed this bonus episode for supporters only my celebrities and

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until next time for exposed scandalous files of the elite.

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I'm your host, Jim Chapman. Stay tuned. Kieren's coming up

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next much love.

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He's a name well known globally, garnering recognition from his

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former series called To Catch a Predator. We're talking about

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Chris Hansen, who has now started his own network, True Blue,

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and his new series is take Down with Chris Hansen.

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Chris came to Livingston Parish and teamed up with the

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Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office and Sheriff Jason Art in February,

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over a three day period, eleven separate predators were trying

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to lure children online. One of them was in a

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police academy to become an officer, trying to get someone

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he thought was a fourteen year old girl. Another was

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a cafeteria worker in a school in bat Rouge. We

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sit down with Chris Hansen one on one and the

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sheriff on this takedown. I'm Kiaran Challa and this is

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Louisiana Unfiltered.

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Welcome back everyone.

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This week we are joined by my good friend Jim Chapman. Jim,

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this episode, it's it's interesting because.

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You live and work in Livingston.

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Parish and now we've got a man who is globally

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known to catch predators coming to Livingston Parish.

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Yeah, Chris Hansen is a very well known figure in

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the true crime space. He has been around for over

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thirty years catching predators, which is a pretty amazing stint.

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And it was really unbelievable. I'm a surreal to meet him.

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In person and watch him do what he does with Takedown,

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which is an amazing series by the.

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Way, And Jim, I mean he kind of gained recognition

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from his former series To Catch a Predator that started

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in two thousand and four, So that's really where he

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became Chris Hansen.

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It is definitely where he became a household name for sure.

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And back then that was a show that almost a

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lot of people watched. Yeah, and it was one of

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those that if you saw Chris Hansen, day just got

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really really, really really bad.

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Yeah. And there were some points during this team up,

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if you will, with the Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office where

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the predators actually recognized Chris Hansen when he walked out.

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He has that famous moniker have a seat when he

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walked out and said that to them, they knew right off,

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I'm in trouble.

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Yep, yep.

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So let's get straight to it. So what we did

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is a three day period, Chris Hansen and his entire

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team came down and teamed up with the Livingston Parish

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Sheriff's Office and Sheriff Jason Art. However, all eleven of

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these people, Jim were not from Livingston parish correct.

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As a matter of fact, the majority of them were

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from outside the parish, and of course contacting what they

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thought was a fourteen year old girl. In most cases,

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that was a decoy that was used to lure these

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men in this case into what you would call, I

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don't know if you call it a safe house or

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how you would term it, but a house that was

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set up via the livings to pair sheriff's office to

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lower these guys in and catch them in the act.

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And that's said. And the sad thing.

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Is that sad and scary.

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Sad and scary because there are so many social networks

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out there, social media's out there, websites out there that

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a lot of parents don't even know about back in

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the day. And that's what my interview with Chris Hansen

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talked about. That there was my Space now it's there

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is no MySpace now, but there are probably fifty others

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out there that are being used to men talking to kids.

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But then you have.

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Gaming, yeah, that and that is a really big problem.

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Yes, that you would never think that your child is

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playing a game on a computer on TV or whatnot,

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and in reality they're actually talking to someone. So that

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was the entire purpose of why they did what they did,

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but instead of the fourteen year old girl, it was deputies,

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or it was Chris Hansen. And in fact, why don't

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we do this. Let's go ahead and play the interview

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with Chris Hansen first and then let's talk about it.

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What brings you to Livingston Parish.

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Well, we came in this morning for the Sheriff's prayer

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breakfast and to talk about the state operation that we

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did a month ago where along with the Livingston Parish

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Sheriff's Office, we went undercover and eleven men were arrested

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in the sting who were attempting to sexually exploit a child.

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And there were men from all walks of life, some

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involved in the school districts and some involved in One

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fellow was actually in the police academy in New Orleans

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for a time. People from various businesses all had gone online,

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had a conversation, an illicit conversation with a law enforcement

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decoy posing as a child, and came over to a

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location to try to exploit that child, and instead they

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met the Sheriff's office and me and my crew through

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a combination of reporting on some different stories that had

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some occurrences in Livingston Parish and through some connections through

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law enforcement, I had heard that a sheriff artists team

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had conducted one of these investigations, and, as I frequently

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do with law enforcement agencies around the country, I reach

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out and try to embed and tried to tell the

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stories of different law enforcement agencies around the country who

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do these investigations and take part in the investigations. And

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the hope is by exposing these people, by holding them accountable,

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by trying to get inside their minds and understand how

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the mind of a predator works, we can better understand

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how to protect ourselves from predators of all types. But

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in this case, you know to sort of educate parents

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and children and create a dialogue and awareness that maybe

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doesn't exist the way it should.

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So I guess, educate me, talk to me.

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If a parent is watching this right now, what are

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the biggest takeaways?

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Well, I think you have to have a conversation that's

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age appropriate the moment your child has access to the Internet.

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When I was growing up, the advice was don't talk

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to strangers. Great advice then, great advice today. The problem

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today is the guy who's a stranger on Wednesday is

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so adept at grooming your child.

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He's not a stranger by Friday.

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And kids oftentimes are adventurous, they're curious, and the predators

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know this, and they can play on the vulnerabilities that

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every child has, every teen has, And so parents need

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to say, look, if you're approached online by somebody who

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makes you uncomfortable, or if you're tricked, or if you're

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influenced in a bad way, you can come to me

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and we'll sort this out. We'll work together. We've got

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a big documentary underway on sextortion where criminals from half

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a world away are posing as young women enticing boys

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to send them elicit photos, and then they extort these children.

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And some of these guys, as kids or great kids

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who just get tricked end have committing suicide. And it's

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a horrible, tragic occurrence. And if they had just talked

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to their parents, and these are good kids and good

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homes with good parents. But if the parents just new

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to somehow get involved in this at the right time

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and say, look, your world is not ending.

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It's gonna be okay. In two weeks. Nobody's even going

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to talk about this.

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Grandma's not going to know, just let it ride out,

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and parents can go to the National Center for Missing

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Exploited Children and they can get advice on how to

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scrub some of these pictures and these events off the

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web so that the children don't have to live with

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this exploitation.

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I'm a reporter, so I understand there's a reason we

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do what we do.

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Why do you do this, Well, I do it because

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it's important.

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I do it because you know, I have the access

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to law enforcement after forty two years of reporting in

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this space, and I have a unique skill set.

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I suppose that allows.

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Me to have this access and to use it to

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you know, educate people. But at the end of the day,

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the reason why I do it is to continue to

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expose the people committing these crimes. When we started this

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particular franchise twenty years ago, I figured we'd do.

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It two or three times.

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Who's going to show up twenty years later, twenty one

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years this month, these guys are still showing up.

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So what does that tell you?

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This isn't going away. When we started these investigations, we

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merely had decoys in chat rooms and Aol and Yahoo,

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maybe that thing you might remember called MySpace. Well, today,

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00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.079
the number of social media platform upon which adults can

481
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.920
approach children has exploded. I can't even keep up with it.

482
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.079
My team can't even give up with it. Law enforcement

483
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.680
can't keep up with it. So I think it's important

484
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.279
work to do. We do reporting in a lot of

485
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.000
different areas, but this is something that you know, I

486
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.039
don't see us ending anytime soon. If young people see

487
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:24.319
these shows, hopefully some of this sticks with them and

488
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:28.319
make them smarter and safer online. And this is not

489
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.640
just you know, predators are praying on children. There are

490
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:36.799
predators out there praying on elderly citizens in financial scams.

491
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.119
You know, we work on those stories too, So the

492
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.119
mindset of a predator is pretty much the same. When

493
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:46.559
you're talking about people who try to exploit children and

494
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:50.160
people who try to exploit the elderly, it's the same mindset.

495
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.240
And so the more we can expose this, I think

496
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.000
the safer we can make people.

497
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.960
You've been doing this across the country. I guess rank

498
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.920
Livingston Parish and the law last month.

499
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:03.920
Well, I think it was a very successful investigation. You're

500
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.640
talking about eleven men in three days. I think here

501
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:10.599
in Livingston Paris there's a very sophisticated sheriff's office that

502
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.039
has made this a priority. And not every law enforcement

503
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.880
agency has the resources and the ability to do this.

504
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:20.440
And so we work with.

505
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:27.640
Agencies like Livingston Parish, Genesee County in Michigan, Polk County

506
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.880
in Florida, Blunt County in Alabama, Montgomery County in Ohio,

507
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.359
all over the country. And what we found is even

508
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:42.200
the agencies who have less manpower, less experience in this field,

509
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.160
we find agencies with more experience coming in and helping

510
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.359
them do this. Because if a law enforcement agency isn't

511
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:53.400
doing this work, they're merely allowing agencies who are to

512
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.680
push the problem into their community. Everybody needs to be

513
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.160
doing this now. You can't do it every day, and

514
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.119
depending on the size the agency, you may do it

515
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.359
once a year, twice a year, four times a year.

516
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.200
But at least you're sending that message out. At least

517
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.680
you're creating some deterrence, and at least there's a sense

518
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.920
that if you try this in my parish, you're going

519
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.839
to face justice swiftly.

520
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:18.480
When will these make here?

521
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.240
One has already dropped on my streaming crime network, True Blue,

522
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.039
which is tru Blu watch True blue dot Com for

523
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.359
details and the rest will be coming out over the

524
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:28.279
next several weeks.

525
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:29.519
And how many episodes do We have?

526
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.000
Eleven episodes from Livingston Parish and they probably won't air

527
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:35.799
all back to back. We'll probably mix them in with

528
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.640
some of the other law enforcement agencies, but you know,

529
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.960
over the next couple months they'll all be dropped. It

530
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.440
was a real pleasure to work with Livingston Parish. Sriff

531
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.920
Are and his team are superbly professional and you know,

532
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:53.359
it's always energizing to me to you know, take on

533
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.920
a new partner in this endeavor and to you know,

534
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.559
work with men and women who are so passionate about

535
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.759
this particular sort of investigation.

536
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:05.000
It was a pleasure to do this.

537
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.360
So Jim, he kind of explained that the breakdown of

538
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.119
this and to me, one of the ones that he

539
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.480
discussed was a guy who had actually enrolled in a

540
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.360
police academy. Yeah, in New Orleans, in New Orleans. But

541
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:23.159
to me, and number one, that alone is worrisome. You've

542
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:27.079
got somebody who wants to be a police officer. Obviously

543
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.519
this arrest is going to not allow him to be.

544
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:30.480
A police officer.

545
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:36.079
But what the case that Chris explained was that he

546
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:41.280
sent numerous ubers. So he's in New Orleans, he thinks

547
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.079
he's talking to a fourteen year old here in Livingston Parish. Well,

548
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.760
a fourteen year old can't drive right in order to

549
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:50.079
get that girl to him, he needs to get her

550
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.559
an uber maybe, Yeah, and he sent a few different ubers.

551
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:56.840
But that's scary.

552
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:02.119
Yeah, the and it really shows she the depths that

553
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.000
these predators will go through to get to these children.

554
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.360
There's not a whole lot of limit there for them

555
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:16.039
on what they'll do, very concerning trusted someone that and

556
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.760
he wasn't an actual officer, so there was something that

557
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.280
occurred somewhere maybe they figured it out that you know,

558
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.800
obviously this guy has issues if he's doing things like this.

559
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:32.039
But in one case, it wasn't East Baton Rouge Parish

560
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.320
school worker, a cafeteria worker as a matter of fact,

561
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:41.599
that showed up at the house to meet a fourteen

562
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:44.159
year old girl. And this is someone that interacts with

563
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.920
fourteen year old girls every day. How scary is that?

564
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:52.960
And the sad thing is that we're supposed to say allegedly, yeah,

565
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:56.840
because you're innocent until proven guilty, But the fact that

566
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:00.760
you allegedly showed up at a house to meet who

567
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:02.960
you thought was a fourteen year old girl.

568
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.039
On camera on camera or did deny yep?

569
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:07.840
Yep?

570
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.119
And that is really another aspect of what they're doing

571
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:19.079
with takedown is not only are you getting this problem

572
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.639
in really putting a microscope on it, but you're also

573
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:26.480
providing evidence. Think about it, someone shows up at a house,

574
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.159
yet Chris instance is down with him, and in a

575
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.000
lot of cases, as a matter of fact, the majority

576
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.639
of the ones that I've seen, these people admit that's

577
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.639
what they were trying to do. So now you have

578
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.159
it on video that this person saying, yep, I knew

579
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.679
she was fourteen, and you have a full text conversation

580
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:50.599
which he reads that is absolutely disgusting where they are

581
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.199
flirting with these fourteen year olds getting very vulgar. Some

582
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.480
of this stuff is very vulgar, very descriptive. But I

583
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.519
think the point that they were trying to make here,

584
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.840
especially focusing on what these people do for a living,

585
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.800
cafeteria work. They had a sonic worker, they had the

586
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.480
guy that had apparently applied to be a police officer

587
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.880
in New Orleans that went through the training. They focus

588
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:22.039
on those because they're trying to alleviate the perception that

589
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.840
it's a certain individual that does this. It's not a

590
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:28.280
certain individual. It could be your next door neighbor.

591
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.639
That's very true. I mean, think about it.

592
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.320
Your child goes to a school, you think that's a

593
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.320
safe place, and then they're going to eat, even if

594
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:37.760
they take their own lunch, you still have to go

595
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.320
to cafeteria yea and eat. Meanwhile, least do you know

596
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.159
that your child is actually being scoped out?

597
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:48.840
Absolutely? And obviously the vast majority of these workers of

598
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.159
these school great people that would that would never enter

599
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.880
their mind. And schools do take a lot of precautions

600
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.719
in order to kind of weed out people that they

601
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.079
might feel would be a risk in that respect. But

602
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.920
eleven people over three days, you could not.

603
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:10.719
That's a lot.

604
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:11.800
It's a lot.

605
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:12.320
To me.

606
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.400
The biggest takeaway from my interviews with both the sheriff

607
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.639
and Chris was that for the parents out there that

608
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.920
would the way technology has advanced and Jim, you're a

609
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:27.719
dead yeah, and as a parent, did you know all

610
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:29.800
the things that you need to be looking out for?

611
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.599
I was aware that of the possibility of these things,

612
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.440
But let me tell you, I had a similar situation

613
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.320
in my household. With that, you know, you really have

614
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:47.480
to pay attention. And I'm luck. I'm definitely more of

615
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.760
a strict parent than probably most. I mean, I was

616
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.079
the guy that you know, sleepovers didn't happen a whole

617
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:55.199
lot with my kids.

618
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:56.039
Uh.

619
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.400
And it wasn't that I didn't trust the other parents.

620
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.719
I just it was just that's the way we operated

621
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.880
our household. That being said, there was a time where

622
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.119
we found some phone numbers on a cell bill we

623
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:13.920
did not recognize from another state, and a guy was

624
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:19.239
pretending to be a kid and talking texting with my daughter.

625
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:24.760
Oh she was fourteen years old. Yeah, that didn't go

626
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.920
over too good for him. So it happens, and it

627
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.719
happens no matter we did. But we could have caught

628
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:35.119
it too late. And yes, we were perceptive parents that

629
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.480
went over that phone bill. And the second we saw

630
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:41.199
something we didn't recognize, it was it was grilling. My

631
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.880
daughter assumed she was talking to a kid. You know,

632
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.639
this is just a kid that I met while playing

633
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.360
these games on an app of some sort, and just

634
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:58.519
an innocent app, a kid's app. It was not a kid.

635
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.599
And so those things can occur even to parents. That

636
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:06.239
take what they feel like are the most precautions they

637
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.960
can possibly take. Short of taking that cell phone away,

638
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:11.599
it can happen.

639
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:15.440
In times have changed so much that I know, I'm

640
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.800
only twenty one, but when I was in high school,

641
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.719
we didn't have cell phones. I mean they were coming

642
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.440
in towards the latter part. Not everyone had it. Now

643
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.360
every child has a phone, and you don't wait till

644
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.519
you're in high school to get a phone. You have

645
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.920
a phone probably in what sixth seventh grade in case

646
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:33.840
your parent needs to get in touch with you on

647
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:37.159
I'm finished Wood's practice at I don't know baseball.

648
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.559
It is normal parts of society.

649
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.800
Well, but having this phone in your hands is also

650
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.239
a bad thing because now you're texting anybody and everybody.

651
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.760
And yes, Jim, there are people out there who say, well,

652
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.880
the kids have changed. Also, they're a kid, right, you're

653
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.679
an adult. It is your responsibility to know right from wrong.

654
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.440
Hundred percent and educate your kids. Don't be scared to

655
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.639
sit them down and say, hey, look, they got bad

656
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:10.280
people in this world that have the worst of intentions

657
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:13.719
with you, and this is what you need to watch

658
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.119
out for. This is what is not acceptable as far

659
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.039
as communication is concerned, I think education is kind of

660
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.639
where it starts. Now, we've all been kids, we've all

661
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.199
been young, and that's just mom and dad being ever protective.

662
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:29.840
In most kids, that's what's going to cross their mind.

663
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:33.199
But at least they're cognizant that there's a possibility of that.

664
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.360
These predators are not stupid. In a lot of cases,

665
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.960
they make stupid decisions, but a lot of them are

666
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.760
not dumb people. They figure out ways. They figure out

667
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.880
very innovative ways to communicate with kids. Words with Friends

668
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.320
when it came out, was huge for communications between these

669
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:56.400
predators and kids. They play scrabble with them. It's Words

670
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.800
with Friends, right, and there's a little message button on there,

671
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:03.360
and that's how they would communicate. And these were people

672
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.880
from all over the world that nobody was familiar with.

673
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.840
They just you hit a button and it sets you

674
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.519
up to play someone. And that's how the start of

675
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.239
that began. Now, the roadblocks of the world and all

676
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.719
these sorts of games, every one of them has a

677
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:23.960
message function where you can communicate with people you don't know.

678
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.320
You don't know how old they are. They might be

679
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.880
telling you they're a fourteen year old guy or a

680
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.199
thirteen year old. No, you don't. And when you're a

681
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.480
fourteen year old girl, you don't even think an adult

682
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:35.480
would think that way.

683
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.400
And if I am that adult talking to a fourteen

684
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:41.480
year old, all I got to do is google a

685
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:45.039
fourteen year old picture yep, and send that and say, look,

686
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.320
this is who I am. How does that person know

687
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.320
who this fourteen year old is? You know if I

688
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.280
just went to a park around town and took a

689
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.480
picture of a fourteen year old or from anywhere grabbed

690
00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:59.159
a picture, Yeah.

691
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:00.760
But eat Jim.

692
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.800
The biggest and most important part of this interview was

693
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:08.119
what do parents need to take away? And fine, let's

694
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.760
take a listen to my interview, which Sheriff Jason Ord

695
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:12.880
because that was one of the most important things I

696
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:16.639
asked of him. Okay, Sheriff, how did all this come about?

697
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:21.639
Well, it actually started whenever we ventured off into partnering

698
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.639
up with our Attorney General Liz Merle. We had some

699
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.639
of her crew with the Attack Task Force came and

700
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:31.000
visited me about coming on to their program. And it

701
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.119
kind of helps to have a filled detectives that are

702
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.760
familiar with it. And we had actually had one approach

703
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.880
me and one of my captains, and we joined the

704
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.239
task force and started getting training and learning a lot

705
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.800
about how this networking, if you want to call it,

706
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.320
that is working, and these predators that are out there

707
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:54.400
seeking our children, and we just kind of started jumping

708
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:55.119
off into it.

709
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:56.679
And that was about a year and a half ago.

710
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:01.199
I had actually one investigator and today I have three.

711
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:03.119
That's how face it grew.

712
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:05.920
It's very important to me, and I know it's very

713
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.519
important in our community. And again, you don't really even

714
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.039
as a parent, you don't really know what's out there

715
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:14.360
until you kind.

716
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:15.960
Of get involved in it a little bit more.

717
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.960
And so we have a lot of other ways that

718
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.960
we are, you know, resting people, and a lot of

719
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.360
that is victim based, but this is a more proactive.

720
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.119
This is us undercover going in posing as fourteen eleven

721
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.800
year olds or whatever it may be, and seeking these

722
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.599
predators who are seeking their prey and unfortunately for them,

723
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.039
they coming across us and we're able to stop that

724
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.000
before they actually get a victim.

725
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.920
So I would much rather us be the victims than.

726
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.719
A twelve year old little girl or a fourteen year

727
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:49.280
old old boy.

728
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.360
Now this is not just child or is it even

729
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:56.119
child pornography or is this more so praying on kids online?

730
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.320
This is praying on kids online online.

731
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:05.199
This is gaming, snapchat, any social media platform has a

732
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.039
chatting capability, you're going to have predators on there. And

733
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.559
a lot of times us as parents don't realize that

734
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:13.920
we are not educating ourselves enough.

735
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:15.800
We even started.

736
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.440
A actual rooming curriculum to go and teach these parents

737
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.000
through the school system in partner, we're our school system

738
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.079
here in Livington to educate them. And look, I've been

739
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:29.559
in law enforcement here in thirty two years and I

740
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:33.400
have learned so much. If you think you know everything

741
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.360
and you don't, there's so much out there that is

742
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.880
opening to this and you can't. And every day's a

743
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:44.199
different day, you know. So it was great to move

744
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.440
forward on this, to watch this division grow so fast,

745
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.159
to watch the investigators have the passion they have to

746
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.960
go in and seek this out. This is a very

747
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.320
special investigator to have to be able to do this

748
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:56.960
type of stuff.

749
00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:00.119
This is a lot. But to watch them work and

750
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:00.639
to watch.

751
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.960
Them do the things that they're doing by seeking these

752
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.400
predators online is amazing in itself.

753
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.920
How big of a problem is it in Livingston parish.

754
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:12.480
So we arrested in this one sting operation. We'll make

755
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:17.280
sure everybody's careerent on this. We did arrest eleven people, okay,

756
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.559
eleven individuals arrested. Only two of those were from leavings

757
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:21.039
in Paris.

758
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:22.800
We're online.

759
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.960
This is not to our local leavings in Paris chatting group.

760
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.679
This is nationwide. I know we have personally work cases

761
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.760
all the way in Utah where people somebody in Utah

762
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:37.519
was seeking a individual. Here in our Paris we're protecting

763
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.079
livings and parish children. And we have a lot of

764
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.000
other agencies through the AG's office that.

765
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:43.079
Are on line with this.

766
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.719
They work with us hand in hand in their areas

767
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.280
as well. Chris said it earlier, it's a it's a

768
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.800
networking thing. A lot of agencies are doing this, no

769
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.440
matter how big or how small, but it's something we

770
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:56.440
all need to do.

771
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:57.679
So the way I.

772
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.800
Look at it is, if you come from me, it's

773
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.760
back rouge over to Livingston. After one of my children,

774
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.559
you're going to go to jail. I don't care where

775
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.159
are you're from. Stay away from us. And I'm hoping

776
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.679
that everybody gets on board because my mission is to

777
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.559
get them out of Livingston Parish. I don't want them

778
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.440
to come back any here seeking any child. And you know,

779
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.039
does that make it bad for surrounding parishes. Maybe so,

780
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:20.440
until they get on board with us and they do

781
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.199
the same thing. And that's what we're hoping for. And

782
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:29.719
it's again, it's a very scary world online, very scary.

783
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.360
So so say someone is arrested out in Utah or

784
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.280
something along those lines, that's not at Livingston Parish.

785
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.360
They're still coming to Livingston Parish to be booked here.

786
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:41.239
Which is why it helps to be associated with the

787
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.840
Attorney General's Office because it's a task for us.

788
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.480
Look at this one case that y'all talked about earlier,

789
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:50.960
the master from New Orleans sent four Uber drivers to

790
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.880
try to get this young girl, four to get her

791
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.440
from Livingston to New Orleans. Do you really think that

792
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:01.159
we'd have seen that little girl again? No, absolutely not.

793
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:04.079
I can tell you one thing. He better not mess

794
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.800
with another little girl from leaves in Paris. And that's

795
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:08.199
the message that I'm trying to send.

796
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.880
So this may be more of a district attorney question,

797
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.320
but you guys have done your job. We see it

798
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.800
over and over and over. Bond is set they're released,

799
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:17.800
they're back out there.

800
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:18.440
That's right.

801
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:22.639
And we have actually partnered with our Scott Peerlew's who

802
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.880
is my district attorney. We had an actual conversation just

803
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.159
the other day. He is actually going to assign an

804
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.840
Ada to stickularly work in these cases. It's going to

805
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.519
help us to have better prosecution. And that's what I

806
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.440
hope is any message to parents, big message to parents,

807
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.280
know what your child is doing, open up a good

808
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:42.800
line of communication.

809
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:46.400
With your child, and always expect the worst. You have to.

810
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:49.400
And there's so many times in our livelihood, and you

811
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.199
know this, we're busy, we have things going on, and

812
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.079
we expect our kids to be doing great. We expect

813
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:58.559
our kids to know that that's a stranger, don't.

814
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.599
Talk to them. But it's just not like that anymore.

815
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.840
We open up a whole new world with social media

816
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.880
platforms and this gaming and all the stuff that they're

817
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:10.079
doing in chat rooms and that they may be thinking

818
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.079
they're talking to another fourteen year old boy, which is

819
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.360
actually a thirty nine year old person who is a

820
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.719
predator trying to groom them to get them to a

821
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:23.400
point where he can extort them. And that goes on

822
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:27.679
every single day, eleven people car Eleven people were arrested

823
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.840
in three days. That is scary, and parents, it's time

824
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:34.960
for us to open our eyes, put our phones down,

825
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.639
and pay attention to what your child is doing. Because

826
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.400
we just had all I think it were several cases

827
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:43.639
we work, but I know that was one stat that

828
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.639
we had was over forty five victims that we was

829
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.800
able to identify that was unknown law enforcement.

830
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.119
Are their parents? Forty five victims?

831
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.800
That's big and that's super scary to know that that

832
00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.519
many and some of those were raped and their parents

833
00:49:59.599 --> 00:49:59.920
never knew.

834
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.840
If there is a victim out there, if there is

835
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.880
a parent who feels or suspects that their child may

836
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:07.360
be a victim, what do they need to do?

837
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.800
They need to contact us. We have resources that we

838
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.840
can help them. And again we want to make sure

839
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.559
that I mean, that's just so much on a child,

840
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.239
it really is. But we want to reach out to

841
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.599
the share ourselves. Call your local authority, call the AG's office.

842
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.360
They have a great program as well, and do what

843
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:26.880
you can as a parent and get up in your

844
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.760
kid's business. That's what you need to be doing every

845
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.599
day and expect the worst that online predators are real.

846
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:36.280
So some very important takeaways for parents, and we can't

847
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.000
stress it enough. I mean, you just gave a prime

848
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.079
example that a parent, it's what's the phrase we say

849
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.800
that you should always have plenty of tools in your toolbox,

850
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.480
even if you don't need them. This is how I

851
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:51.000
kind of associate this with that. As a parent, you

852
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.119
need to know this is out there and.

853
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:56.599
You need to be vigilant, as the sheriff said in

854
00:50:56.599 --> 00:51:01.360
that interview, as parents, you have to have those conversations

855
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:04.559
being nosy with your kids. You know, there's a lot

856
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:09.119
of technology out there now, parental controls, things like that.

857
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.400
Take advantage of those, use them, learn about them. I

858
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:16.760
know technology is vast now and a lot of especially

859
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.519
maybe the forty to fifty year old crowd isn't as

860
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:26.719
caught up with that technology as the twenty to forty crowd.

861
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.079
But learn it because there are a lot of things

862
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.079
you'll probably realize as far as the access to your

863
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:39.199
children that you didn't realize prior to educating yourself on

864
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:41.719
these communications they're having.

865
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:44.159
And Jim, I'll even go as far as to say

866
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.239
it couldn't mean the difference between life and death. Absolutely,

867
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.119
the sheriff kind of leaned to that about this interview

868
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.800
with the guy who was in the police academy that

869
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.800
he kept on sending ubers, And in fact, this came

870
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:03.119
out out of both interviews that one of the uber drivers,

871
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:05.719
because think about it, the Uber driver's showing up and

872
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.920
it's police at the house, so he's probably saying, well, wait,

873
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:10.519
I have nothing to do with this. I thought, I'm

874
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.920
just coming to pick up somebody. So the uber driver

875
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:18.880
wanted to cooperate, so he actually called the the I

876
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:20.880
don't know the guy's name, but the dude who was

877
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:25.480
in the yes, the predator, and so he calls him

878
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:28.599
and says, hey, this is a young girl. She's only fourteen.

879
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.840
I don't think I should be bringing this person. So

880
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:35.559
he basically canceled that Uber and ordered another one. So

881
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.000
now you can't sit here and say, oh, I didn't

882
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.559
know she was fourteen. And I believe he said that

883
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.840
in the show, and obviously when these shows make you

884
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.159
you'll see this. But he tried to claim, well, I

885
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.440
didn't know she was fourteen, And Chris Hansen came back

886
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:50.400
with you had an Uber driver call you and say

887
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.239
she was young girl, So you can't come back and

888
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.079
say you didn't know, you knew. You just kept on

889
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.400
and on and on and kept trying, and Sheriff Ar

890
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.679
basically said that had this girl, had there actually been

891
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.199
a fourteen year old, and had she been transported to

892
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:09.079
New Orleans, what's the likelihood of that girl coming back?

893
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:14.760
Yeah, and he said it zero, probably zero. It was

894
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:20.440
two or three of these guys that were undocumented, undocumented,

895
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:26.079
so if they disappear with a child, or fourteen year

896
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:30.440
old for that matter, there's no trace in those guys.

897
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:36.280
This happened, yeah, right here in Livingston Parish in Louisiana.

898
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.519
And if it's happening in Livingston Parish, it's happening in

899
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.159
all of our areas, it's happening next door to you.

900
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.559
It's again, this is not a scare tactic. We're not

901
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:48.480
trying to scare parents out there. We're really hoping that.

902
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.519
It's not just a peducate parent. This is what we're doing.

903
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.400
But Jim, it's not just a parent. It takes a

904
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.000
village to raise one child. So if you've got kids

905
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.039
coming over to your house and something seems off, maybe

906
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:03.199
do the right thing and tell that mom, or tell

907
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:06.599
that dad, or tell somebody. Yeah, and the other thing,

908
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:08.880
I'll stress, and I mean again, as a reporter, I

909
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:13.119
have covered some extremely heinous crimes. Watch where your kids

910
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.840
are going As far as staying over, I kind of

911
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:18.159
like you said, you were strict in that sense. I

912
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.400
remember growing up, my mom and dad always made it

913
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.119
a point that whoever you want to spend the night with,

914
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:25.800
they can come to our house.

915
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:27.000
Yeah.

916
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.199
They didn't want me going to that, And yeah, the

917
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.679
child in me did not understand that. The child in

918
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.960
me was like, why my parents.

919
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.119
Are night They're not cool?

920
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:37.199
You do.

921
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:38.760
But now I look.

922
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:42.360
Back, Jim, and it's like, thank god, thank god my

923
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.159
mom and dad actually did that, because yeah, I would

924
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.519
trust my parents with my life, but if something's happening,

925
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:51.199
it would happen in my own home.

926
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:56.079
Yeah, and that was then. Imagine now with the technology

927
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:59.719
what it is now, the ability the ability not only

928
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:04.119
to communicate with kids, but also to see their location.

929
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:08.079
When these kids are on Snapchat and they're talking to

930
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.320
someone and they don't know who they are, they can

931
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:14.239
see exactly where they're at on a map. Makes sense

932
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.239
if those communication services.

933
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.199
Are on good tip, good tip, you.

934
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:23.000
Can there are apps out there like three sixty home

935
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.880
three sixty or whatever it is where parents can you know,

936
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:29.320
you have to be linked on that account in order

937
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:33.719
to share locations. Certainly I would recommend that. But you

938
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:37.760
don't want your child to be playing a game and

939
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:42.039
somebody see their location. That's scary. That is scary, and

940
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.400
it's almost on every game you play you can share that.

941
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:49.840
So some of these predators Jim were actually from tangible

942
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:56.320
Hope Parish, somewhere from across state lines. Yeah, but again

943
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.760
that's how easy it is, because if you have one

944
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:04.280
of them in your hands or a computer, state lines

945
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:10.199
means nothing, means nothing, not only state lines, even globally.

946
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.239
You can be talking to somebody in Europe. Yeah, and

947
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.719
they fly in with hopes of trying to meet you.

948
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:23.280
Yeah. I've seen an episode that Chris Hansen did on

949
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:27.639
Takedown where a guy came from two hundred and fifty

950
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:32.880
miles away to meet with a kid and had bondage

951
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:38.800
equipment in his vehicle. Yeah, they're sick when you when

952
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:43.000
you operate like that and you have those kinds of thoughts,

953
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.719
there's not a whole lot of limits to what you'll

954
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:46.920
do to get to a child.

955
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:50.960
It's scary, it is, and at the end of the day.

956
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.000
You called it the right word, sick.

957
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:54.960
It's sick.

958
00:56:55.360 --> 00:57:00.440
And now so let's let's go further. Jim Sheriff's make

959
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.639
the arrest. Chris Hansen has it all on video and

960
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.639
in fact, he walked away with eleven episodes recorded on

961
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.840
True Blue. Those are all going to periodically be coming out. Yes,

962
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:15.079
they're not going to be eleven episodes straight. They're going

963
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.519
to mesh them in with probably other cities that they

964
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.239
go to. But over time you will see eleven episodes,

965
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:24.239
so you can watch those on True Blue. But those

966
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:28.599
eleven were recorded with the help of the Sheriff's office

967
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:30.079
here in Livingston Parish.

968
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:33.679
Yeah, they were, and I you know, shout out to

969
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:39.559
lbso share Jason hard and his team. They really if

970
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.639
you watch these episodes, the first two are actually playing

971
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.079
right now on True Blue. If you watch these episodes,

972
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:49.960
you can see how professionally this was done. There were

973
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:54.679
a couple of scenarios where these guys ran and they

974
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:57.280
were caught and they were called quick, very quick, very

975
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.559
they didn't get very far and look out of them

976
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:05.960
you had flip flops flying and everything, and so it

977
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:11.280
was something it's actually entertaining to watch it's a very

978
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:15.800
well put together production and uh, but very proud of

979
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.800
Livingston Parish for getting on the forefront of that, Chris

980
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.519
Hansen hooking up with Livingston Parish Sheriff's office and taking

981
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:26.679
eleven of these guys off the street.

982
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.800
So let's move further though. You have the Sheriff's office

983
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.400
who makes the arrests, you have Chris Hansen who's pretty

984
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.280
much catching it all happening. But after that the case

985
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:42.480
needs to be prosecuted. Right, So this is where Scott Parreliu,

986
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.559
who's the District Attorney for Livingston Parish. He actually he

987
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.719
and Sheriff Ard had a big press conference last year,

988
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:54.679
I believe, and granted that one was about drugs, that

989
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:57.639
they're not going to tolerate drugs in Livingston Parish and

990
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:01.519
if they come to the parish, be prepared.

991
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:02.000
Right.

992
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.440
This one is very similar to that same message that

993
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:10.119
the prosecutors in the DA they stand ready to do

994
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:12.360
their job. But it's kind of like what you said

995
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:16.840
when you have a confession on video not audio, because

996
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.199
audio you could still say that's not me. Yeah, it

997
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.280
sounds like me, but it's not me. When you have

998
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.480
a video pretty much saying I did it. I knew

999
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:26.719
they were fourteen. This is what I wanted.

1000
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:29.280
It's it's a prosecutor.

1001
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:33.280
It's yeah, it's you know, a lot of cases are

1002
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:37.679
plea bargained, and it's said, I cover a lot of

1003
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.360
true crime cases, and I see it. I see these

1004
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:44.320
cases where I'm like, why did they plea bargain this?

1005
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.800
They had all this evidence, But the fact of the

1006
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:51.920
matter is more evidence you have, the less these people

1007
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.360
have at a bargain. A plea bargain. Plea bargains were

1008
00:59:56.360 --> 01:00:00.719
designed because prosecutors maybe lacked a little bit of maybe

1009
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:03.840
their whole case was circumstantial, which you can get a

1010
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:07.760
conviction on the circumstantial case. It's just very hard, but

1011
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:11.400
maybe they can get these guys hey, and you know,

1012
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:14.559
instead of life in prison, will give you forty years

1013
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.760
if you'll agree to do this. Because they're worried about

1014
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.639
convincing an entire jury of someone's guilt. In this case,

1015
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:26.360
you couldn't wrap this in a gift any better and

1016
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:29.480
hand it to the prosecutor and say here you go.

1017
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.760
And I'll tell you what. I haven't seen all eleven

1018
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:33.920
of these episodes yet, but the ones I've seen, they

1019
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:34.960
meant to it.

1020
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:37.400
And I'll even add this.

1021
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.159
I mean we've spoken to hill Or Moore, who's the

1022
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.840
district attorney in East Bouton Ridge Parish. The truth is

1023
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:44.840
there's so many cases coming in. You have a limited

1024
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:48.800
number of prosecutors, so the backlog is so intense that

1025
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.440
you have to please some cases. Right well, when you

1026
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.199
go to one of these men and say, listen, I

1027
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:57.440
got this, this, and this against you, so I'll take

1028
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.400
you to trial, but more than likely you're going to lose,

1029
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.239
so we can go ahead and call it quits and

1030
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.840
you accept this plea deal right now, or we take

1031
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:05.519
you to try.

1032
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:11.199
Right exactly, and you know, don't forget that, uh Louisiana

1033
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:15.559
and specifically Livingston Parish, which is the first, if I'm

1034
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.679
not mistaken, the first parish to actually did this, but

1035
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:22.840
chic chemical castration now you know, hopefully that'll do some

1036
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:29.119
go was swaying some of these sick individuals from trying

1037
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:30.400
to access or youth.

1038
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.719
And we even had that prosecutor come on and talk

1039
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:37.360
about why he chooses to use chemical castration. Yeah, I

1040
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:41.079
think it's to read of four times here in Livingston

1041
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:41.880
Parish alone.

1042
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.199
Brade Cassia that's who was yep.

1043
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:46.519
And he's got no shame in his game to use

1044
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:47.039
it over and.

1045
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.960
Over and over. But just define flows very tough part prosecutor,

1046
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:55.400
but his just strict attorney signs off on it as well.

1047
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:58.840
So the message is very clear in Livingston Parish. And

1048
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.599
you just heard the sheriff say that in his interview,

1049
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:06.480
that that's really the message he wanted out, that don't

1050
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:10.119
come picking on kids in Livingston Parish.

1051
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:15.280
I agree one hundred percent, and I could not be

1052
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:19.519
more proud of everybody involved in doing this. I think

1053
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:23.719
that it puts a national spotlight on what we're doing

1054
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:27.559
locally to curb this problem.

1055
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:32.679
Yep. And it also hopefully our listeners. If you're a parent,

1056
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:36.320
or you've got a nephew or a niece or anybody

1057
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.480
a neighbor's kid you're just in love with, make sure

1058
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:43.760
you kind of equip yourself with some of this knowledge.

1059
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:46.960
Parents can catch it. Just make sure you go behind

1060
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.159
your kids and you know, nine times out of ten

1061
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:56.000
this won't happen personally to somebody, but you don't want

1062
01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:57.679
to be that one out of ten that it does.

1063
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:03.119
And anything you can do as far as educating yourself will.

1064
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:08.239
Help absolutely well, Jim. As always, we appreciate you coming

1065
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:08.960
on and.

1066
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.519
It's always fun having this discussion with us.

1067
01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:13.440
And for those of you who don't already know this,

1068
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:17.880
Jim Chapman has many of his own podcasts, from Local

1069
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:23.320
Leaders to the latest one, which is just gone so

1070
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:25.519
well for you, is Exposed Exposed.

1071
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:26.599
Yeah that's a bun one.

1072
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:27.000
Yeah.

1073
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:31.360
So if you're a true crime fan, you'd love Exposed

1074
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:35.199
for sure. We talk about scandals and things of that nature.

1075
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:38.679
So go take a listen to those and for our listeners,

1076
01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:41.760
as always, we appreciate you joining us. Don't forget to

1077
01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:44.760
leave us your reviews, subscribe, tell your friends and family.

1078
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:48.840
And I'll say this again, Jim, I have people who

1079
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:51.159
come up and say we love your podcast, and you

1080
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:55.599
notice that I still get taken aback by that, Like

1081
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.159
it makes me realize, Okay, well, what we're doing is working.

1082
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:03.280
So I appreciate y'all speedback, keep it coming, and as always,

1083
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.440
we appreciate you listening, and we will see you on

1084
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.760
the next episode of Louisiana Unfiltered.