*PREVIEW* Crime Wire Weekly 3/30/26 | Hot Felons, Realtor Crimes & Death Predictions
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Timestamps
03:00 Oregon Woman Predicts Her Own Death.
06:00 Hot Felon Discusses Viral Moment.
12:00 15 Year Old Cold Case Involving Realtor Leads to Arrest.
20:00 Utah Woman Kidnaps Son’s Bully.
25:00 Texas Man Throws Human Remains Over FBI Fence.
30:00 Spa Death Sparks Investigation
32:00 Georgia Man Touches Besties Wife, Then Kills Him.
35:00 Utah Nurse Guilty of Killing After Faking Cancer.
39:00 Easter Crimes to Watch Out For.
45:00 Louisiana Man Sentenced In Waitress Murder
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0:17 Welcome back, folks, a surprise second drop in just a few days of your favorite show, covering the true crime headlines from all over the country and even a few world headlines. Today's topics include an Oregon woman she had a chilling text message to her friend that actually came true as a roommate is convicted in her brutal murder In California, a man who a decade ago went viral for being considered the world's hottest felon goes on a podcast to discuss his life since. In Texas, a man is arrested for throwing a bucket full of human remains of the FBI's Dallas fence.
1:02 Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's not where you want to throw. That's what the polar opposite. The polar propposite, as as Seinfeld would say. Yeah. In Utah, a mother is arrested for kidnapping her son's bully. And Iowa, a woman is charged in a fifteen year cold case involving the murder of a realtor. Yeah, that's an interesting one. Trending all over the place, These stories and so much more headed your way today. I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly, and how about that two drops in two weekdays. We've lost our in a row. We have lost our mind. We're giving people what they want when they want it. That's right, it's your way.
1:44 So y'all, let us know what you think about this. Go on wherever you can go on Kelly's Unspeakable page. It's pretty active, and let us know what you think about several drops in a week. We're considered something we're considering doing. We've gotten a lot of messages on man, we want to hear more crime news. And I'm always down to talk about it. Yeah. Same, let's go same. So let's do it all right. We're going to Oregon City organ for this first story. And the county is interesting. The name of the county in this case, it's Clackamus Clockamus County organ And I'll tell you what that rolls right off the tongue. Clackamas County, Oregon. That's right. Well, we're going to tell you about a jury that convicted a man in that county of murdering his landlord after she sent a friend a terrifying text weeks earlier warning that a roommate might try to kill her.
2:38 It was a prophecy that came true when he beat her to death with a hammer and later burned her body in a backyard shed. Bobby Lee Grady Alsop the third, the third and that's a mouthful, thirty three years old, was convicted Tuesday of second degree murder in the death of thirty one year old Kaylee in Snow. The jury also convicted him a first degree arson, first degree theft, first degree abusive a corpse, and unlawful use of a weapon after deliberating less than four hours. Now In February of twenty twenty four, Snow texted a friend about ossip who recently moved into her Southwest Flabel Drive home. This was in an unincorporated part of Clycamus County. As a renter quote, I think this dude staying here might try to kill me and I'm afraid. I'm not afraid to die, just afraid of nobody knowing who it was. How about that person in the text and it actually happens. On March seventeenth, twenty twenty four, prosecutor said Alsip struck Snow twice in the head with a hammer inside of a home, wrapped her body in a blanket, and hid it in a shed on the property, leaving it deep to decompose for days. On March twenty first, Alsop returned, doused the shed with gasoline and set it on fire in an attempt to destroy Firefighters discovered Snow's charred, indeed composing remains while extinguishing the blaze. The pair had been involved in
4:08 a secret romantic relationship, according to court testimony. Prosecutor said also tried to create a false alibi by texting Snow's phone after her death, texting from her phone and that happens a lot. He also sold some of her belongings online and Snow's blood was later found on his clothing. A medical examiner ruled the death a homicide caused by blunt force trauma. I'm sure that wasn't hard to figure out. Also faces life in prison with the possibility of parole after twenty five years, which is kind of shocking. He scheduled to be sentenced upcoming next month, and the case is gripped the Portland metro area, with Snow's text messages playing a central role in the trial. Members remembered this young lady as a vibrant, kind and outgoing young lady with ton of friends.
5:01 So to make sure I understand this right, he was her landlord but then turned secret lover. Am I understanding? Yes, No, he was not her landlord, well he was, she was his landlord. But what happened was she she basically put an ad out that said I need a roommate. Oh he answered the ad and she got I guess at some point she got like a premonition of the future with him and texted her friend that text that I read you and all that shit came true. You know what, I'm not that surprised. I'm really not, because you know in your gut when something's not right, you know it. And a lot of times we'll try to ignore that for some reason, we don't believe it'll ever happen. And when ever thinks it would happen to them or we would not be there, right, and happened like this. She knew, she knew that there was a problem. Unfortunately, you know, I guess she stayed around too long. Yeah, and Kyle, he's violent, Yeah, horrible. Yeah, all right, let's go to Los Angeles.
6:03 Now. Jeremy Meeks. You may know that name. I know, I know that name. He was the convicted Felon, who's strikingly handsome. Twenty four twenty fourteen mugshot earned him the nickname Hot Felon and launched an unlikely modeling career. I'm sorry, but before you go any further, I want to let everybody know. It wasn't me. It wasn't you, Jim No. I've never been a felon. No you like that. Make everybody clear. Everybody calm down. It wasn't him, all right. It earned him the mugshot, earning the name Hot Felon and launched an unlikely modeling career. Has revealed a bizarre downside of his sudden Internet fame. Obsessive fans kept his family from visiting him behind bars by snapping up his limited weekly visitor passes. That's weird. Yeah, I find that bizarre. Okay now. Meeks, who is now forty two, shared the frustrating experience during a recent appearance on Matthew Cox's Inside True Crime. And I have to stop real quick. My best friend's husband's name is Matthew Cox. So that's weird.
7:12 And that's actually a very good podcast. Yeah, but that's just weird out Matthew Cox. I wouldn't quite paying attention the first time I looked at this and I'm like, wait, what my best friend got podcast? All right? Anyway, but he was on this podcast recounting his time in Sacramento County Jail after his arrest in a Stockton, California, gang sweep. At the time, inmates were allotted just two visitor passes per week. After Meeks's mugshot, featuring his piercing blue eyes and chiseled features, it went viral on social media and was picked up by national outlets. He was flooded with hundreds of fan letters a day, many containing nude photos and even money orders from admirers across the country. But the real problem, Meeks said, was when complete strangers began claiming those precious visitation slots. I'm getting random people visiting me and I'm denying them before I even walk up the stairs into the section, and I'm like, I don't know who that person is, Meeks recalled, and they were like, well, I'm still taking your visit. You can deny it, but I'm still gonna take your visit for the week. So now my family can't come because I've got fucking that's his words, I've got fucking random people coming to see me, and it was so frustrating, He said. He would plead with the unannounced visitors, including one woman who drove from Tennessee with her young son, not to return so his wife, children, and mother could see him. Even when he turned them away at the door, jail staff still counted the visit against his weekly allowance, blocking legitimate family visits. The overwhelming attention also reportedly drew extra scrutiny from correctional officers, adding to the stress of his incarceration. Meeks was arrested in
8:45 twenty fourteen on federal charges that included being a felon in possession of a firearm. His mugshot widely shared online and dubbed prison Bay and blue Eyed Bandit. Yeah, listen, I gotta tell you something. As a woman with ovaries and eyes, I get it because this guy is extremely handsome. And then he's got the bad boy edge going on. Even though I don't support pang gang violence. His picture is pretty I'm sorry, Jim it is. But anyway, he was the He was the prison Bay, and it turned him into an It could be more than one of them. There's for everybody. They turned him into an overnight sensation while he was still locked up. After his release, Meeks transitioned into modeling, walking runways for major fashion brands, and building a new life far from his criminal past. He has previously spoken about how the viral fame helped him leave that world behind, though now he said the attention came with an unexpected cost, even inside the jail.
9:47 Yeah, I mean crime. Whatever, he's whining because he's getting you know, love letters and new pictures sent to him in jail. What the hell? Well, he loved his life though he I wanted to visit her and his son. Okay, look, let's say sweet, let me talk. Let me tell you when I taught criminal justice. We all know that. Okay. When I would get into my corrections portion, I specifically use this mugshot and my students former students can can vouch for this, and I would pop it up on the screen and as the girls would come in that day, they'd be like, Ooh, who's that? Who's that? It was exactly what I wanted, because the lesson would be about, you know, you're gonna have all walks of life that come into a prison, and you have to remain professional even if they're smoking hot.
10:29 You can't do any favors, you know, you got to just keep on keeping on. But yeah, I remember his mugshot very well and we've got it up on the screen. Yeah. Yeah, so if you're watching this on page round, you'll see it. Look, I want to say too. One thing that was interesting stood out to me in that article is he mentioned the list of visitors and then it would get kind of bogged down to where his family couldn't even come see but he would have to approve that list. I don't think so on. I mean, they can't just show up to visit him. They have to be on a right and doesn't he have to say I don't want to see this person or I do no. So again, different different jails and have different strokes. Now this says jail, not prison. So just a quick lesson prison.
11:12 You have to have an approved list. They're gonna vet the list and make sure it's not one of your victims or coming to visit you or something along or one of your you know, fall partners or gang members that got out or something like that. But in jail, from what I've seen experienced, may or may not allegedly have had friends there Uh, you know, you can go online on these new systems and they'll block out you've got he's got a visitation open this time, this time, this time, this time, And all you do is you go online and you schedule a visit. So you know they don't what happened. I can promise you is they didn't expect this to happen. This is a very rare thing. No one's usually just showing up randomly to visit a stranger in jail, right, but his hotness overloadeth and they and the ladies were looking for stepdady Is for their kids and showing up. So, uh, things may have changed since that occurred, So don't hold me to it. If you're working in a jail, obviously systems and practices change, but I would assume that is what happened there.
12:06 All right, Well, thank you very much for that insight. We'll go move on to West Des Moines, Iowa, and I'm gonna tell you about a fifteen year old cold case. So this nearly fifteen years after a young real estate agent was gunned down while hosting an open house, authorities have arrested a woman and charged her with first degree murder. In one of Iowa's most haunting unsolved killings, Kristin Elizabeth Ramsey, fifty three, was indicted by a Dallas County grand jury and arrested on Tuesday, March seventeenth of twenty twenty six, and she's being yelled in jail on a two million dollar cash only bond. On April eighth of twenty eleven, Ashley Oakland, a relator with Iowa Realty, was conducting an open house and a model home in a Stone Creek development when she was fatally shot twice. An employee of Rotland Homes, which was the builder of this complex, discovered her body inside the unit around two pm and called nine one one. Oakland was pronounced dead at a local hospital at the time of the murder. Ramsey worked as a sales manager for that Rotland Homes and she was actually in that area of that town home when Oakland was killed. Westermoine, Iowa Assistant Police Chief Jody Hayes, said the case had haunted investigators and the real estate community for more than fourteen years. Quote Ashley's story has kept
13:38 us awake at night, revisiting details over and over in our mind. The slang actually prompted widespread safety changes for realtors all across Iowa, including new protocols for open houses and showings. Oakland's sister, Britney Brews, she spoke emotionally about the long wait for justice, saying that Friday after noon, when Ashley was taken from us, it seemed so long ago we had lost hope in finding answers and having any justice for Ashley. It was really difficult to accept the case had gone cold. She called the breakthrough a true gift from God. Now, police and prosecutors have declined to release a possible motive or details about what led to Ramsey's arrest, and they cited, you know, the case is still active ongoing prosecution. No other arrest are expected.
14:29 Ramsey's attorneys said she adamantly maintains her innocence and has filed some motions to reduce her bond. The case drew national attention when it happens, and remains one of Iowa's most notorious cold cases until this week. Oakland's family honored her memory by helping establish a special needs playground in the park in that community. And so there you have it, fifteen years and I can only think DNA had something to do with it. I bet cell phones, did I bet selfie? You would think it wouldn't take fifteen You'd think that would have been one of the first things they checked. Well, yeah, but they would have to know they would have to know whose cell phone to look at. I mean, obviously they could look at the deceased realtors cell phones, but if this was some surprise attack over jealousy or something like that, I mean, they wouldn't have a They wouldn't know, you know, who's phone to look at to see if they were in proximity of each other. But what First of all, I was struck. I liked what they did in her memory, that they put up a special needs What a beautiful thing to do. She must have had either a close relationship or something where that was special to her, and I think that's wonderful. I love when people try to make something positive out of a tragedy. Here. But I can tell you my mom, my mother worked for Louisiana Real Estate Commission, a praisers board and for over thirty something years, and you would be shocked at the issues and the dangers that realtors do face just in every day business. You know, you're
16:01 showing up. You're showing up to a house. Sometimes you're like, if you're a single female and you're you're going to show a house to a I'm just saying a gentleman. It could be anybody, but you know you're alone. You're going into a house alone a lot. Of times you are. And this was an open house. So that's a situation where that realtor is there all day. Now. Fortunately, in a lot of cases, these these realtors have really come around the last fifteen years to realizing the danger of this. So when they host these open houses, they'll usually have like a lending agent there as well, maybe an appraiser there as well. They'll have several it's almost like a like some sort of party over there. You know, they'll have food and they'll have several of their supporters in that industry with them. And that's a great thing because yeah, there's a lot of danger to sitting in a house. And look, when you're a realtor, you have your face plastered everywhere all your listenings, and usually it's your best headshot, right, so yeah, it's an eyecatcher and and uh, you know, I've seen a lot of pretty realtors in my time, and so someone that has nefarious intent, they're going to see that. And if they see you doing an open house, you know you're taking a round.
17:09 All they have to do, literally, think this through. How scary. All they have to do is dill your number, see what you have listened, and say hey, I'd like to look at this home. And then they're going to put themselves on a platter. Okay, great, At three o'clock, I will meet you at this address where no one lives and we'll walk through a home together. Like it sounds kind of crazy like that, but I want to quickly tell you that there was a big story that I used I was very interested in years and years and years ago. I actually saw it on forensic files. If you're interested to go search it out. But this woman went up to show a house and as she was walking up just the way, the man was sitting in his vehicle waiting for her. It struck a nerve in her and her gut she went with it, and so she went back to her car and dialed her husband and said, something's just not right here. Will you come up here with me? And her husband said, absolutely, babe, I'm on the way, so her husband shows up. Well, when he shows up and they walk up to the house together, the guy that was supposed to be seeing that house drove off. Well, as the story goes, another realtor was murdered shortly thereafter. And what it was was that same guy he had set up that that woman saved her own life by calling her husband, and the next realtor unfortunately didn't have that opportunity and she was murdered.
18:21 So hey, shout out. Every job has dangers that you would never think about. So be careful. Yep, be careful. All right. Now we're going to go to Provo, Utah. A forty year old Provo woman faces two felony charges after authorities say she tracked down an eleven year old boy she claimed was bullying her autistic son, forced him into her vehicle, and drove him to her home to demand an apology, and then she allegedly threatened him before letting him go. Shannon, and I believe you would say, Tafuga. Have you ever heard that last name before, because I've heard a lot of names in my time, but I've never heard Tafuga. That's interesting, all right, Shannon to Fuga was charged Monday and Fourth District Court with child kidnapping and aggravated child abuse. Both counts are second degree felonies.
19:03 A summons has been issued, however, as of this report, and she has not been taken into custody. According to the charges or the document charges, the incident happened September seventeenth, and to Fuga told investigators she had been driving around looking for the boy after he allegedly bullied her son. When she spotted him riding his bicycle in a neighborhood near Orum, she stopped her vehicle directly in front of his bike and ordered him to get inside. I'd say that was a poor decision making issue right there. So she drove the boy to her home in Provo without his parents' knowledge or permission. Once there, she made him apologize to her child. After the apology, to Fuga allegedly told the boy that she would have her husband quote unquote beat him up and said he was quote lucky she did not run over his bike. She then drove him back to his neighborhood. Prosecutors say the eleven year old victim was left terrified. He now suffers from severe anxiety and has to significantly alter his daily routines because of the ordeal Tofugu's attorney has not yet commented publicly on the charges. The Utah County Attorney's Office reduced the original felony classifications in the interests of justice. The case has drawn national attention and sparked he did online debate, with some expressing sympathy for a parent trying to protect a child with autism, while others condemned what they called a dangerous and illegal, vigilante response to bullying.
20:26 Yeah, and look, nobody likes a bully, and as parents, both of us are parents, I'm sure there's tons of parents listening to us right now. Your first and sync would be I need to kidnap that boy and tell him, you know, to tighten up in all of that sort of thing. But obviously there's a difference between thinking that and actually acting out on it. You can't kidnap somebody else's kid man and discipline them. Go talk to the parents, right. I haven't talked with the parents and say, hey, you need to tighten your son up because he's bullying my child who has some issues. Right, So I can actually give you firsthand experience of this exact situation with yours. Truly, So I am a very protective mama. Okay, uber protective. You have no all mama's weak I know. And just like every mama out there, you have no concept of what people are willing to do when it comes to their children. It's ingrained in us. However, I'm also that protective of my niece and nephew. Well, when my nephew was a baby, I say a baby, he was about nine years old.
21:27 Uh, yeah, that's not a baby. That is a bait. He is twenty something years old and landing. You are still my baby. I will put him in my lap and rock him if he needs anyway. All right, So he was about nine years old and he was getting bullied on the school bus. Now it had even gotten to the extent that he got beat up by this kid on the school bus. All right. When I heard those words, I will tell you, I saw red, I saw, I went out of body experience, and I two wheeled my suv up into that neighborhood. Now I did drive until I saw that kid, and I followed his life ass to his house. Never touch the kid, never talk to the kid. Once he went inside, rolled right, up in that driveway and banged on that door, and that mama got an earfull from yours, truly, and I even pointed over her shoulder at that little boy and I said, make the mistake again. It'll be the last thing you do. Now. Was that probably the right thing to do? No, And I do not condone that behavior.
22:20 But the difference here is that I didn't steal the child. You know what I'm saying against his parents will. I just wanted to know which house he was at so that I could talk to the parents. And that mama, to her credit, turned around and started in on that boy. And I think she knew. I think you had a history of it. But you cannot take someone else's child against their will. No, Obviously, this is ridiculous. Wrong decision, And there's a part of me this is a totally get why she will want to do it. But obviously there's other ways of handling that. I mean, take your son to the bully and say you will apologize to him. Worst case scenario, like you know what I'm saying, You don't go well. And I'll take these boys. You get tried, people try you.
23:03 And when I was about that age, someone did and I told my mom about it. My mom made me go outside and fight. Hell yeah, Mama Chapman. Yeah, And that's really how I don't want to say that's how you should handle it, but back in those days, let's how you handle it with that ass. And didn't nobody bully me after that? Ever? Again, well, I've always told her this day. I believe he j I tried, y'all, he would that ass, but I was. I was scared. You know, I've never been in an actual fight before and figured out old Chapman got some hands there. You go, bike, Well, I do I teach my own children you check people. I didn't. I don't. I'm not saying go out there and fist fight, but you check them because most people, most bullies, if you check them once, even if it's verbally, it'll leaves it up most. But she messed up here. Do I think that she's a threat to society?
23:52 Knack? I mean I think that she reacted, she lost control of her emotions and made a very poor decision. That's what I think as well. All right, let's go to someone else who makes a poor decision here, and it's in North Texas. A forty one year old North Texas man is facing felony charges after forty say he stole human remains from a Denton County cemetery, placed them in a white bucket, and hurled them over security fence at the FBI Dallas Field Office, one of the biggest field offices in the country. Mind you for the FBI, all while filming the act for a YouTube video that he titled quote we send Elizabeth over the FBI fence to summon them by force.
24:35 Yeah, this is a you got too much time on your dude. This dude's nud Oh my god, so Michael chad at that point. Michael Chadwick Fry of Bartonville in Denton County was arrested Wednesday after Bartonville Police with assistants from the FBI, executed a search warrant at his home. He remains in the Denton County jail thirty thousand dollars bind. Now. The bizarre case began when Fry allegedly asked his mother for money to renting you all, telling her he his mother, his mother, Oh my god, he asked her for money in renting you hall. She says why, and he said, I have a body that I need to move not a red flag, so obviously she refuses. She calls police, Fry becomes irate, and he leaves before officers arrive. His sister later contacted investigators and directed them to a YouTube video that for I had posted. In that video, he seemed to be throwing the closed white bucket over the fence into the secure parking lot of the FBI Dallas Field office. Fry referred to the contents as quote the remains of Elizabeth or Elizabeth Virginia Lion, and claimed the stunt was intended to force federal agents to investigated what he thought was wrongdoing by local officials tied to one of his prior arrests. Well, that's the way to handle that, yeah. So, FBI agents confirmed to Bartonville police that the bucket did in fact contain human bones. Investigators also recovered another video
26:09 from Friar's home that showed him holding a human skull with dirt hair and Lee's still attached. Police believed the skull in the bones were thrown at the FBI facility. Those bones came from the same set of remains, which were allegedly stolen from a mausoleum at Odd Fellows Cemetery in Denton. A damaged vault was later discovered at the site. Fasis charges of abuses of a corpse without legal authority in tampering with physical evidence. Now, this guy, it may not surprise you, has an extensive criminal history in Denton County, with more than two dozen arrests dating back to two thousand and three, and in twenty eighteen, he actually made headlines when he deliberately rammed a rented pickup truck into the side of a Fox News building in downtown Dallas.
26:58 So this guy, he's stable, Yeah, I mean he's got issues, man, right, what what are you doing? All right? So, owing the FBI Field Office fans that. Aside, this woman was obviously loved by somebody, you know what I mean, and you disturbed her final resting place, whoever this woman was. And I take total offense to that because it's just it's so out of it's so out of the north, and look, people do wild things, and I don't understand sometimes. So I went to a body farm in Texas. Have I ever told you about this? Like? I don't think I'm sure told the lessers, but I haven't. I haven't told you before, Have I you don't know this story, all right, So I went to a body farm in Texas and it was actually an anthropology Okay, so, uh, what what happens here is that people donate their bodies to science, which I think is a very admirable thing because we can learn a lot and it's a very uh thought out process that should be very regulated and very respectful. You know. Well, people got when that this body farm was uh accessible, I guess through the woods, and so what they would do, not to be too grotesque heres, but they would take bodies and do things to them that would be our typical criminal acts like gunshot wounds or stab wounds, and then they would put these bodies out to learn about decomp and about animal activity.
28:14 And they really were expanding on the field of entomology and you know crime scene investigation. Well, some freaks went out there and took photographs of these bodies which were in a secluded area. Okay, they had to work to get these photos and then posted them online. You have to remember the these are real people with families, you know, and and so it became a huge ordeal and they had to go and resecure and put special signs and things out there to say you are truspassing and this is not something you can photograph just for your morbid curiosity. Right, you know this is oh, this is beyond reprehensible to me. Right, you've now? So was he involved with this woman, like in her death or something to random?
29:01 Parson? They could have been from the eighteen hundreds, I mean, this was anybody he knew you youw we. I don't like that. No, thank you, all right, We're going to stay in Texas though, A fifty four year old woman was found unresponsive during a private spa session at Foliage Hair Salon and day Spa in the city's west side and later died at a hospital. According to authorities, El Paso Police are investigating the death as a drowning. Officers responded to the salon after employees discovered the woman unresponsive during a routine wellness check while she was receiving services. First responders provided aid at the scene and transported her to a local hospital in critical condition, where she was pronounced dead. The El Paso Police Department's Crimes against Persons Unit is leading the investigation and has classified the incident as a drowning, and autopsy has been ordered. To determine the official cause in manner of death, and the woman's identity has not yet been released pending notification to next of ken. Spa owner Laura Rayburn released as statement describing the event as a medical emergency during a scheduled private SPA session. Our team conducted a routine wellness check and found the guest unresponsive. Emergency services were immediately contacted and first responders arrived promptly to provide care before transporting her to a local hospital. Rayburn added that the business is fully cooperating with authorities. Out of respect for the family's privacy, we will not be sharing personal details about this incident, she said. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family, friends, and loved ones during this incredibly difficult time.
30:28 What do you think about that? Because I don't go to. Spas, so I don't know why this popped in my head. And again I have no foundation of this, and I've never researched this spa, But for some reason, there's this new thing that's come about in recent time where you can go do the zero U no, no, the thing where you become completely zero gravity, like the salt things where you come and they put you in a dark room, it becomes like you have zero sense around you. And it's supposed to be like a meditational type thing, and you float so you can't it's completely dark, and it's supposed to be like a meditational type thing. When you're in the water. You're in the water and your book you're buoyant, 're like you're buoyant, but there's no sensory at all. So it's supposed to clear your mind. And like you, it put you in this different state. And for some reason that came to mind because I can't imagine how else you would drown because that's the only body of water I can imagine someone being in.
31:18 And I don't think it was a cold one because you can only stay in that like too, you know, one to two minutes. Right, and this is like a fifteen minute thing that you go in and they go in they check on you for this purpose to make sure you're okay, are you you know, are you doing well? Do you want to get out? Whatever? So maybe, and again this is speculation, have no foundation for what I'm guessing. Yeah, I was kind of I don't want to say disappointed, but you would have thought they would have put what she was doing to drown? What type of spa treatment? Yeah, I mean other than that at a spa. I mean I've been in like a steam room or a massage, but never that much water that you would that I would do. You're not going to drown in a steam room. I hope that would be all be like dead, naked and freaking sting.
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