Part 4 | War Machine: The Abuse of Christy Mac
Host Jim Chapman guides you through the testimony of Christy Mac as she recounts her abusive relationship in court with former UFC fighter Jon Koppenhaver, known as “War Machine”. Her testimony reveals a disturbing pattern of abuse and control,...
Host Jim Chapman guides you through the testimony of Christy Mac as she recounts her abusive relationship in court with former UFC fighter Jon Koppenhaver, known as “War Machine”. Her testimony reveals a disturbing pattern of abuse and control, revealing the manipulative dynamics of her abusive partner.
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Chapters
01:28 Christy Mack's Testimony
09:13 Discussion of Simulated R@*e Fantasy
14:52 The Physical Violence
20:50 The Ferret Incident
24:58 Choking and Control
29:51 The Cycle of Abuse
34:26 Post-Incident Care
39:51 Hidden Evidence of Abuse
49:43 The Role of Jealousy
58:43 Social Media and Public Perception
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0:52 I'm given cal. N oh no. Weekday. Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed scandalous files of the Elite. I'm your host Jim Chapman, and we are back with the fourth episode of war Machine. This is part of our Bad Boys series and the last time that I left you, we featured the testimony of the neighbors that eventually saved Christy Mack that faithful night of the horrific beating by war Machine. And today you're gonna hear from Christy mac ash, she testifies. Now we're going to pick up with the prosecution asking about that fifteen month relationship with war Machine. And look, they don't hold anything back in neither does Christy Mack. They do get into the sexual aspect of their relationship, which played a larger role than what you may think. So here's that
2:24 first club in that. Fifteen month period. If I were to ask you, how would you explain your relationship? What would you say? Our relationship was definitely very very passionate and at times very violent, but sometimes extremely loving. Were there were there extreme highs in that relationship? Yes, definitely were their extreme lulls? There were. Also during your relationship. Both of you are somewhat. I should use the term like social figure or a celebrities.
3:14 Would that be fair? I would say public figure? Yes, public figure, Okay, thank you. I think that's a better word. Because of that. Do you have like an Instagram account? Yes? I did, like Facebook? Yes, a lot of different social media outlets. Yes. And during that time period, did the defendant as well? Yes? Was it common for both of you to constantly kind of update what was going on through those social social media outlets? Yes. When the two of you first met, you've already testified that you were you know, you were working as an adult film. Star in the beginning. Did he have any issues with that form of employment?
3:58 Not at all. That's actually how he found me, so I feel like he was totally fine with it. He had also worked in the adult industry, so I thought you would understand. Okay. At some point, did his viewpoint towards your job change? Yes? It did? In what ways. I wouldn't be able to. Have sex with him as frequently if I were working, okay, And he did not like that at all. Towards the end, when I would come home from shoots, he would be disgusted by me, and he would tell me he was disgusted with me. He just generally didn't didn't like he didn't like sharing me with other people, which I totally understood.
4:41 Okay, did you when you got home would he want you to shower? Yes, even if you showered like on the shoot. Would he still want you to shower once you got home? Yes, he would. And you may have explained this that. I want to ask you a few more details before or after you've done a shoot or an adult fail. You cannot have sexual intercourse with like a partner's affect. For me, I couldn't. For everyone it's different, but for me personally, it was just uncomfortable. Like I'm physically uncomfortable, physically uncomfortable due to the fact that you couldn't be intimate in these types of situations.
5:21 Would you try to please him in other ways or would you try to make concessions? Yes? I would. Can you explain how you would do so? His sex drive was so so high and we just didn't match in that way that I would? Sorry? Can you explain that When you say his sex drive was so high new didn't match? Can you explain that face I'm not exactly a hyper sexual person, you know it doesn't completely make sense with my adult industry background. But I only wanted to have sex maybe once a day, if not every two days, but he would want it two three times a day, and I couldn't. I couldn't keep up. So I had asked him if an open relationship is something that he would like to explore. He said he said yes, he would like to do that. So I offered to let him have other women, and then I would also try and give him ways to make him feel special, such as doing things that I wouldn't I wouldn't do in any other relationship, such as like trying anal in my personal life, which I had never done. Just things like that.
6:28 I would try and give him positive affirmations all the time, that he was the best, that he was the biggest, that he was everything that I could ever need more. Okay, because what you did for a living had become an issue between the two of you, are you saying that you had to develop, you know, certain strategies to make him feel like he was special? Yes, and since you were sharing yourself, you know, professionally, in so many different ways with other people, did it make him feel better if he was allowed to do things. To you or with you that no one had ever done. Yes. Now, in regards to the open relationship, was it open to you as well? Could you not? Okay? No, I didn't need I didn't need another sexual partner. I wouldn't be able to keep up with that if I can't keep up with him.
7:21 So he was allowed to have sex with other women if we had discussed it, and you know, I would have to okay it, or if we would go through tender together and we would choose women together, things like that. But I told him, you know, the minute that he felt like he had to lie to me about something was some minute he was doing something wrong. But he wasn't as open as I had hoped he would be. And in that situation, Okay, now I know what you're already thinking. I mean, most people are not going to go through tender helping their boyfriend find hookups, right. Definitely not a typical relafe relationship by any means. And hey, I don't judge whatever works for them. I guess it gets really graphic from here, so consider this your warning.
8:10 But this next clip is very important and I'll give you my thoughts on why after you listen. You said that you. Tried to give him like affirmation in regards to you said, you're the best and you're the biggest. What like, can you give me an ex up, like what do you mean by that? He would just constantly like to be told that he was the best, that he was the only one that could make me come, that you know, he had the biggest stick. That just things like that. Would you give him those affirmations like face to face. Face to face during sex through text messages if we were to skuite things like that?
8:51 Fair to see that sex was something that was very important to him. Yes, And I think in any relationship there's common words that he use. Did he have a specific word that he used for sex? He would. He would use sex a lot. If he wanted rough sex, he would refer to it as rape. Okay, in social media. If he was talking about sex, did he ever use the term I think it's a pow pow or yes, he would. Is that what that meant sex? Yes, you just said the term rape. At some point in your relationship, was a discussion brought up about simulated rape or what some people might refer to as rape fantasy, Yes, there was, And who brought that up, I did, And why did you bring that up?
9:41 I brought it up. It was something that I had thought about before that I had never acted out in any other relationship that I thought would give him like a sense of security, that I could give him. Something that I haven't done with other people before. Okay, and so you said you brought it up. Can you explain to me the conversation that you have if it wasn't in per student on the phone via text message. I don't remember the exact conversation. I don't remember whether it was through text message or not. I believe it was through text message, but I can't be sure. Okay, And so, like, roughly from what you remember, what was the conversation in regards like do you want to do this? Or yeah? It was basically just asking if that was something that he was interesting interested in exploring with me because it was something that I would be interested in trying. I don't believe we went as far as you know, creating our safe word or discussing the rules and the terms, because wouldn't you When you have a similated, assimilated rape fantasy, you have to go through the different the different steps to make sure that it is safe and comfortable foot both of you.
10:49 Can you explain in your words what you believe a rape fantasy or assimilating rape is rape role play? There's there's lots of words that you can use to discuss that type of being that two people can do. Yes, there are. It's it's basically just rough sex that can be. I don't know. You don't want to ruin the whole fantasy part of it by discussing everything, but you want to lay down the groundwork of you know, this is how it's going to be, This is where it's going to be, this is what I would like to happen, this is you know, this is going to be a safe word that I say if I'm uncomfortable.
11:34 So that's it's basically what it is. Did you ever want to be like surprised by it? No, I wouldn't want to be. I wouldn't want to be surprised by it. I would definitely give a day in a time, like like a location where I would be at a certain time, like this is what I would like to happen at this time. This is what I would like you to do to me or for me to do to you at this time and what. You talked to about safety mechanisms like a safe word? Yes, and I think you mentioned another one. I'm sorry. Was there another one like a a safety word? Or am I making that up? Did you only say what if I feel like just a safe word? Okay? All right?
12:15 Was that? Where was that conversation or idea in regards to the length of your relationship? Would you say it was in the beginning, the middle, the end. I wouldn't really know. It wasn't at the end. I know that for sure, but it could have been the beginning of the middle. Okay. Was consensual choking something that was also done? I mean your consensual sexual relationship. With the defendant? Yes? Now, did you choke him? No, I wouldn't choke him. Okay, he would choke you, yes, he would? And would that be done at your request? Yes? When that would happen? A worst safety mechanisms used as well. I would hold on to his hand and if he gripped too tightly, I would swee onto his hand or grab onto his leg with my nails and push my nails into him and then he would back off. Okay.
13:05 When you grabbed his hand and kind of squeezed, was he respectful and quick. Yes. Every time when you grabbed his leg and dug your nails in or whatever, was he respectful and quick? Yes? Now did you catch that. If he wanted rough sex, he would refer to it as rape. That is a very important statement later on, and when we get to that section of the testimony, I will cover it further, but for now, keep that statement in the back of your mind and keep in mind, in Christy Max's case, this. Is role play and that is important. Then they get. Into what the prosecutor refers to as consensual choking, also very important later on. So let's continue on with the testimony.
13:58 At some point in your real life relationship, did you decide to leave the adult film industry? Yes? I did. Do you know when that was that you left? Let's see, it was probably close to the end of summer in two thousand thirteen, okay, so. Some relatively shortly after starting a relationship. With a dependent Yes, just a few months okay. And was that due to his feelings about it? Yes? Mostly I just wanted to make him happy, like I didn't want to displease him anymore. We had so many fights about me working in the industry, so towards the end, I would just stop going to my shoots.
14:45 I would cancel my shootes. I figured if I could stop doing this, then maybe we wouldn't fight as much, and maybe this would make him happy. Okay, did the defendant go quickly to anger during the fights? Usually yes. At some point in your relationship, did did you start to see an angry side of him? Yes? I did. In the beginning or when you first started seeing this side to him? Was the violence physical? Not in the beginning? Okay? Can you explain that how it was?
15:27 In the beginning, he would remove himself from the situation. He he would tell me that he wouldn't wanna do something that he that he would regret doing or didn't want to do. So he would remove himself from the situation and what types of things would make him angry to the prime where he would need to leave. It could be anything. I don't remember any specific instances, but we would find over little things like what. Would be something little, maybe stupid, that you guys could fight about. One instance, I was at his at his place and I was signing magazines and then for a couple of them, I forgot to put XXX before my signature, and he got extremely mad about that because they weren't all consistent. Okay, and so that would pass a fight, yes, and cause him to be angry.
16:08 Yes. Did it get to a point where when he got angry, he. Wasn't leading the world anymore? Yes? And did there start to become physical violence in your relationship? Yes? I did. When when did that start happening? I want to say three or four months in How did it start? I don't remember our first fight that became physical. I don't remember exactly what it was over. But when you say it became physical, can you explain to me what he would do like physically violent? Wise in the beginning, it would just be like a slap in the face and that would be it, or just choking me and that would be it.
16:54 So when you say choking, we've already talked about choking, you know, in the bedroom, like consentual choking during sex. Yes. Would you consider that to be different than choking. You when I were talking about right now? Yes, it would be very different. Can you explain to me how this was not at my request when we were having consensual sex, I would request him to choke me. He wouldn't normally do it of his own accord. But if we were in an argument and he became violent, he would just begin choking me. There would be no sexual contact before or immediately after when he would choke you. How would he do it like what mechanism would use?
17:35 Usually he would just use one hand to choke me. I don't remember him ever using two hands, but sometimes he would put He would put my neck in the crook of his arm and then put his other arm around it to hold me closer. When he would do this, was your breathing impeded? Yes? It was? Would you like see stars or lose consciousness? Usually? Yes, Usually you would lose consciousness. Yes, you said that it. Started with just uh, like a slap to the face. Yes. And when you say slap to the face, is that like a it wouldn't it be an open hand it?
18:16 It was almost always open hand. When you say it was almost always did he ever bless you? Or on a did he ever use his uh use a fist? Not until not until August, okay. But before that the hits were always just open hand or like a backhand. Yes. How often were these types of things happening, like the slaps or the chokes. At first, they they weren't that frequent, maybe once a month, But as our relationship progressed, the violence progressed. Also, did you ever bite back? No? Why not? I felt physically intimidated and also be scared of him. I was at a time one hundred and ten maybe one hundred and fifteen pounds, and I didn't feel like I could even physically stand up to him in any way. I'll holler you and about five.
19:15 One now in that clip you heard about four months into the relationship, things started getting more and more violent, to the point that the quote unquote consensual choking incidents became well, not so consensual anymore. Ladies. If your man is having sex with you and just randomly starts choking you without you asking him, to consider that a really big red flag. And as it is in all abusive relationships, things get progressively worse. The more war machine got away with as it relates to that abuse, the further he pushes.
20:02 So. In this next clip, the prosecutor asked Christy about a couple of specific incidents where the abuse was just horrible. In the first one, she discusses what she refers to as the ferret incident. Curious listen to this. He had come over and I don't remember what I was giving him attitude about that night, but he felt that I was giving him too much attitude. And then he became angry that I told him that I gave my mom a ferret cage because we didn't need it at my house anymore. So that that just set him off, and he while I was cooking dinner, I stopped cooking dinner and he picked me up by the throat and dragged me to the laundry room. What happened when she bots the laundry roomer she picked up choking?
21:00 Was he choking with his hands or you know, his horn with his hands? When he was doing this, could you breathe? You know, like not? Was it a situation where you started seeing stars? Because it was? Did you lose consciousness? I don't know if I lose if I lost consciousness. When this happened. Was he yelling at you? Or is he just choking you? Do you remember he was screaming at me And I don't remember what he was yelling at me anymore, But he was just very angry that I hadn't talked to him about giving my mom the ferret cage, and he hated my mother, so giving something that I didn't ask him first to somebody that he didn't like was just too much for him. Okay did he hit you at all during that event? I don't remember.
22:00 Now, this happened at your home here in Los haega its NISI did, and that homes in Clark County? Correctisice? Would you say that that was in the beginning, in the middle, the towards the end of your relationship. That was in the early part of July of twenty fourteen, I believe. Were these types of things happening to you in San Diego as well? Yes? They were. Now your mom lives with you in your home in Las Ays Yes. And you said that the defendant hated your mom. Yes? And was there a constant I mean it we went both ways?
22:41 Is that Farisay? Yes? It did. They both hated each other. Now what stuck out to me was the control issue war machine was developing at this point. I mean, he choked her nearly to death over the fact she was giving her mother a ferret cage that was. Not even his. Why would he even care? It's control? He hated her mother, and he got triggered because it was not his decision to give away that cage. What a massive dickhead. So in this next clip, Christie gives another instance of abuse at the hands of war machine.
23:26 In this time he is even bolder, with Christie's mom actually present during the abuse. Here's what that sounded like. Was there an incident where you hadn't clean the snake's water out properly where your mom was home? Yes? Can you explain that incident? He had requested that I changed the snake's water a couple of days before, and I did. But snakes, when they have substrate in their containers, they get sub straight in the water containers, so they While I had an adequate amount of water, it wasn't as clean as he would like. So he told me to drink the water and then and then when I wouldn't, he picked me up by my neck carried me up with scare buy your neck? Yes?
24:23 Where did he did? He carry you? All the way up this stairs? He to agreed to my bedroom. Of what happened when she got to the bedroom, he just continued to choke me and yell at me, and then he said, I need to remove myself from a situation before I causing more damage. My mom was home, so she was She came in and started screaming at him, but he gathered his things and then he left. During that choke. Could you breathe during that choke? No? I could not. Were you having that sensation where you kind of start to, you know, spin and see the stars? Yes? Did you use cutchin spat time? I don't believe so. Would your mom came in, you know, and and saw what was going on or heard him yell me? Did she threaten him in any way or yell at him?
25:08 She said that she was going to call the police if he didn't leave. What time frame were we talking about in regards to that event. I don't know when that was, but it would have obviously been within that fifteen month period. Yes, and that was at your same residence here in Lass again. Yes, it was. When he would do these things to you, like these choking events or slapping events. Would he ever take any personal property from you? He would usually take my phone, and why would he take your palms? He was afraid that I was gonna call my mom. Why would that scare him if you called your mom? Because my mom would call the police.
25:49 Okay, y, I mean you obviously didn't want him to take your phone? No, but would you allow him to in. The beginning of trying to a back but I just realized it was easier to just let them have it. How many times would you think that that happened, where after a beating or a chilling he took your personal property away from you? It was extremely frequently, almost every single time. Including accounts here, including me to ask scaring Las Vegas. Yes, did you feel comfortable telling your mom or your friends that these types of things were happening to you? No? I hid it from my mom the best I could.
26:31 I don't like my mom to worry about me, and then I also didn't want her to call the police my john obviously, So when you, you. Know, when you were around, your mom said she lived there, How would you keep things a secret from her? I would hide in my bedroom for days on end. I wouldn't I wouldn't go and relax in the common areas of the house. But she also spent a lot of time in her bedroom more outside, so it was pretty easy to avoid he Did. You also travel a lot for other work type related things? Yes, I would travel to see John pretty frequently. We were you embarrassed that these things were happy too you?
27:16 I was extremely embarrassed. I never thought that I could let that happen to me. I always saw myself as a strong individual, and I realized now that I shouldn't have been embarrassed, But at the time I definitely was. Did he ever threaten you if you did tell? Yes, he did. What did he say he would? He said he would send his Navy seal friends and the Hill's Angels after either myself or my family if he went to if he went to prison. Did you know him to have friends that were Navy seals? Yes? Did you believe him? I did.
27:56 I heard him on the phone several times, or what he made me believe. He was on the phone several times calling these people and giving them my information, my phone number, my mom's phone number, my address. Was there. Another incident when your mom was present, when there was an argument regarding you, do you doing a type of shoot that would possibly until you having contact with African American males? It it wasn't entailing me having the direct contact, but just the site that it would be published on. Can you explain he was upset that I had told him I don't believe this site even does in a rachel because he was concerned about it. And then he went to the website and saw that it does do in a racial and so he had hit his phone on my head. So I grabbed a phone and I threw it, and then he broke my phone. And then he broke my phone in half and picked me up my throat and brought me downstairs into my bedroom and threw me down.
29:05 Was your mouth there for that, yes she was. Did she threaten again to call the police, Yes she did, and when she did so, did he meet? We actually left together? Why did you leave with him? I didn't want him to be in trouble. I didn't want her to call the police on him. I convinced her, you know, everything was going to be fine. After you would have a violent outburst, everything would be fine, So me leaving wouldn't wouldn't you know, result in any more physical contact. Now, I absolutely feel horrible for this girl. In all of this that you're hearing. Its typical of abusive relationships. The thriats Christy Mack making excuses for this world class trained fighter. Mind you, that is abusing the shit out of her. And and do you see the escalation here in abuse? I mean this is like textbook stuff right here.
30:00 Will continue on. Did you ever have like gold plated bangs? Yes? I did? Can you explain kind of what they look like and where you got them from? They were just caps that go over my my incisors and they're pointing. They basically just looked like gold things. Where did you get them from? A guy in California offered to make me things that are discount of right, and that's something that I had put online that I wanted. So he contacted me and told me that he would do it. Okay, And so. Did there come to night when you wore those fangs out in public with the defend here in Las Vegas? Yes? Uh?
30:40 Where did you guys go? Uh? We went to a sushi dinner right down the street and right down the street from your home. Yes, And can you explain was there any violence that night. As we were going home? Well throughout the day from he was driving from San Diego that night throughout the day, he had given me a lot of hell about you know, me getting these things and me posting something for this guy that made the things for me. Well, why did he care about the things just. Because another guy had made me things even though I had paid for them. And I'm not sure exactly why he was so upset about them, but so he had.
31:24 He had given me, you know, hell about that all day. And then we went out to dinner. I wore a wig, which he also didn't like, and then I I had just gotten the things, so I wanted to wear my new things, And as we were on our way home, he just started screaming at me about them, and I gave him some attitude. I said, I like my wigs. I'm going to wear my wigs. I like my things, I'm going to wear my things. What happened when he gave him the attitude? He ripped my wig off, and I took my things out because I knew he was going to hit me next, and I didn't want to either chip my teeth or swallow one of the fangs. Okay, and so you took them. Now what happened after you took the fangs out, I put them into my bag and he began screaming at me more and more, and he turned the car around to go back where we came from. And before we got back to where we came from, he turned down Maryland, right next to the boulevard, and ma, all, I had taken my seat belt off because I knew if we hit a stop light, I'd be able to escape and I wouldn't have to get hit this time. Okay, So I took my seat belt off without him noticing, and I tried. When we reached the stop light, Thank god, we had to stop light.
32:37 I opened the door to try and escape, and he pulled me back in, buying my hair and slammed my head down on the dashboard, which chipped my tooth. And then he was still really mad, so he grabbed my head and brought me in and bit my chin right here in the left part of your bottom chair. Yes, and uh, And I don't remember how many times he hit me after that, but he turned down the side road by the Best Buy and he said, now I have to kill you because people saw you try and escape. He said, now I have to take you to the desert kill you. Did you feel I know it seemed like a silly question, but did he feel like at that point you could leave? No?
33:19 Did you feel like you were in danger? Yes? I did, were you emotional? Were you crying? What was doing I was? I still have my seat thelt off. I was the dover crying And at some point he punched me in the back. And then he took me to a gym parking lot and he caught him down a little bit, and uh, he licked his hand and tried to wipe some of the blood away. He told me he couldn't take me home like this because my mom was home, and he told me he had to clean me up, but everything was gonna be fine. And then after that he took me home. He went on side first when my long graded him, He said that I was just you know, getting some stuff out of the car and then I would be in shortly. And when she went back to her room, he allowed me to come in and go upstairs and clean myself up. What were your injuries after that incident? I had. I had a black eye, and I had a cut under my eye, and he had a scratch on my nose where he had hit me.
34:23 I had a bite mark here and that's pretty much my chip tooth. During these types of incidents, like, would he ever say anything to you when he was yelling? I mean when you. Was he angry with you and yelling at you? Yes, he was, like what giving me a double of like what he. Would say during an incident like that at the bite them all? He would just tell me I was stupid, He would tell me in this instant from several other instances he would try. He would tell me that he had to kill me because people would see, or because I had made him so angry that he would have to kill me so he wouldn't have to do this again.
35:04 He would just he would yell all sorts of things at me. When you would have these marks on your face? Did you feel comfortable going out in public? No? I did not. When you do go out in public, is it often that people a coach you and ask for like either or not a grapher or take. A picture with them? Sometimes? Yes? And so. Is that one of the reasons why you didn't want to be seen in public? Yes, I'm also just a homebody. I don't like to leave normally anyway, But even for things like going to get coffee or something like that, he would he would do it for me. In the days after, if someone like a family member or close friend that you did see, if they noticed markings on your face, Like, what would you say to them?
35:51 I once told my mom, you know I was I just fell downstairs in my bedroom. Of course the cliche I fell down the stairs, but I ended up using that. I told my friends that you know, it was just a dog scratch or you know, my dogs are large, that a dog. Had hit me in the head, like had butted me, like it was. I would just come up with any excuse that I could use. You said, in the days afterwards, he would take care of you. So let's see that. You know, there's there's an incident like we were just talking about, and then you have marks on your face. In the next days, how would he treat you? It would be the best days of our relationship. He would stay home from training just to be with me, and we would watch all my favorite movies. He would go to the store and get all the snacks that I wanted. He'd go get coffee for me. We would order, you know, take in a delivery. You would just be around me and make sure that I was okay.
36:50 Was he loving during those periods? Extremely loving? When you said that there were highs, would you consider that those times right after an incident like this, would you consider that to be high? Yes, Now another textbook tactic here, as you just heard Christy say, after nearly every single one of those disgusting incidents, war machine suddenly turns into boyfriend of the year. And that is so common. And it's how these assholes keep these women locked in this abuse of cycle. It's the hope for change, right. The one that is on the other end of that abuse always believes that that person is going to change.
37:34 We continue on. After the Boulevard when you were the parties refer to that incident as the Bulevard and mal instant, because I mean that happened here, the Bulevard and mall. Is that's correct? Yeah? And obviously when I see the bulivardman talking about here in Las Vegas and Clark County. Yes, did you take pictures several days after that happened? Yes? I did. You go ahead and take a look at those and let you know if you reconnection. Yes, I do. And what do you recognize those? To me? This is these are well. This one is included in the text message that I had sent him, and I told him, look how much better my face is getting? Okay? And this is just showing my chip tooth. Okay? And are these accurate?
38:15 Are these inaccurate, uh, reflection of the photos that you gave provided to the District Attorney's office? Yes, okay? Or at this time I moved to into evident states, propose one fifty three and one. Four any objection for soon they admitted. And permission apolog time, go. Ahead, showing you one fifty three, Christine, I'm going to plant it and I'm gonna live in. The vote. Wasn't just one bad? There we go? Can you that little screen in front of you, You can circle or cross out whatever you need to do, But can you show us the injuries that you're talking about.
38:58 My whole nose is swollen, but this is the uh, the cut from where he had hit me. And my eye is hm, my eye is black underneath, but this is another scratch. Okay? And noatderfore the records. She pointed into the red mark over her notes and then the red market of bruisine underneath her right eye through And were these taken how many days approximately? Were these taken after the incident? It would have been after he left, so four or five? And now I'm showing you speaks one fifty four. What are we looking at here? Uh, that's just the the chip from me hitting my face on the dashboard. What At what point did you start taking photographs or were these the only photographs you took?
39:41 I chok many photographs throughout our relationship. I didn't do it at first, but once we started breaking up and getting back together, I saved them like this is a reminder that I'm not gonna do this again, but I'm not gonna go back anymore. Did you keep them kind of out on the out in the opening? No, I didn't. I started a a hidden folder for them that way, so he would go through my phone, and if he went through my phone, he wouldn't find them. So you've kept them in and hidden folder that he didn't have access to. Yes.
40:24 Was there. An element of jealousy in your relationship? Yes? There was. Both of us were a little bit jealous, but I was more so. You were more jealous thinking would yes. And would you? Would you guys get mad at each other. In regards to you know who had if there were a lot of females following him on Twitter or a lot of males following you on Twitter? Yeah, I he would just get in uh, in conversations with other females in in public, like on public tweets and things like that, and that would make me upset that he was flirting with women in. The open because I thought it made me look foolish.
41:05 And then like U, I would just catch conversations between him and other emails online and it would make me very jealous. Okay, you said that you know you don't find yourself to be an over sexual person. He's correct, were there is there a specific. Reason for that? Or is that just how you felt was bad? And part of it is just part of me, Like I don't want to have sex every day, multiple times a day. I don't. I don't need that kind of sexual activity all the time. I don't crave it. But I found myself in the relationship with him, I stopped wanting to have sex at all.
41:48 Why was that? I just didn't enjoy it anymore. Most of the time it was painful from having sexual activities so frequently with him. I had a lot of scar tissue inside of me that made it very uncomfortable to have sex. And that was k Even consensual sex is yes, right, even consensual sex was that? W did he prefer like rough sex. Not all the time. Uh, sometimes it was rougher than others, but sometimes it was you just normal passionate love. But I I just I couldn't keep up with all the sexual activity in my body. Couldn't. Okay. Was there sexual violence as well in your relationship only a few times? Yes?
42:30 Okay. I'd like to talk to you about an incident that the parties were referred to. As a Houston incident, which didn't happen in Houston. But had you recently been on a trip in Houston? Yes, I went to visit a friend in Houston. And where was. That in this tideline? It was around my birthday, so around me of two thousand fourteen. Yes, And I apologize because I didn't ask you the screen in regard to the Boulevard Mall incident when with that at then. In February March of twenty fourteen, Okay, thank you, I apologize. I had to go back. So while you were in Houston, did you find out some information that had upset you in regardless to the defendant.
43:17 Yes, right before I left. The day that I left, he was still in San Diego and I was leaving for Houston. That day and I was doing work on his computer and I found. Screenshots in his cloud from him and other women saying that they were still sore from having sex the day. Before, and uh, things like that. Okay, so you've found out he was cheating on you. Yes, he was having having sex with women that we didn't agree upon. And once you get home, do you also find out that woman if your pets has died. He texted me while I was in Houston and told me that my snake had died, my favorite snake. But before that he had already put it online. So I saw that. Did that make you angry as well? Yes?
44:09 It did. So when you get home, explained to me kind of your demeanor towards him. I was very cold. I didn't want to talk to him. I told him not even to come to Vegas. I told him to stay in San Diego. I didn't want to see him when I got back home, like, I didn't want to. Speak to him, and I when I came home, I just I just tried to do my own thing. I just tried to lay down, watch a movie in your room over on the catch? Where was it in my bedroom? Okay? And so when you are on your in your bed, Tell me what happens from that point on. From there, he kept trying to get close to me and cuddle me and tried to initiate sexual contact. How he touched me, like just on my arm at first, or on my leg, he grabbed my butt, grab my breast, and it rebuffed everything else. I don't I don't want you to touch me right now. I don't want I don't wanna have sex with you like I you discussed me right now, I don't. I don't wanna touch you.
45:11 I don't want you touching me. So I would turn away and continue to watch my movie. And he got upset. He got angry that I didn't want him touching me, that that I wasn't letting him, you know, make a move on me. From there, I don't remember what I was wearing or what he was wearing or anything any specifics like that, but I remember him just rubbing me, then me like trying to trying to keep covered up. I didn't want, I didn't want sexual contact. And then he licks his hand and he touches my vagina, and and you staying to touch a sr which I know where to be touched. Uh, he he basically licks his hand and wipes from front to back, like in between my big lips. He uh, he just starts. He just starts trying. I push his hand away. I say, I don't.
46:06 I don't want you to do this. I'm I don't want this. Leave me alone. And so he flips me over and he gets on top of me and he starts kissing me, and I just turned my head to try and keep watching the movie from there. He just kind of he's naked at this point also, he just kind of like gets on top of me and starts like dry hemping me, and then tries to put himself inside of me, inside of me where in my vagina. I say no, I push him away, and then he flips me over and tries to put it inside of my butt. I say no, in this one, I can find off. I fight I fight this off, and I just flip over. And then at this point he penetrates me.
46:49 Okay, so when he flips you over, when you're on your stomach, he he was trying to put his penis in your angle. Opening, yes, but was he able to do so? No, he did not, And so then you were flipped back over yes. I mean you said he penetrated you. What did he penetrate you with? With this femis inside your vagina? Yes? When this is going on, are you you know? Are you saying anything? Are you fighting? I start by saying, oh, please, don't like I don't want this to happen, and then I just give up. Did you make clear to him I know this is not what I want? Yes? I did. I began crying at some point, I tell him stop and then I just lay there.
47:34 After it was done. How did it end? He got off, and then I went to the shower and just kept crying, and he started screaming at me. What the fluff's wrong with you? I know it sounds like that a stupid question. But did you want to have sex with him that day? No? I did not. Is there any way that that was your idea of dissimilated? No? Had you make clear to. Him you didn't want to have set with him at night? Yes? I did, or that day, that day, whatever it was. Why did you, kaylen strike that after this is that happened?
48:19 Did you still. Maintain a a relationship with him? Yes? I did. Why did you continue to stay with him when these things were being done to you. I loved him, I would have done anything for him. I I just wanted to be with him. Looking back now, like, now that you know you've been out of this for two years, is the view different? Yes, now that I I've looked into abuse of relationships and I understand it more. I understand manipulation. I understand abusive relationships between you know, like a boyfriend and a girlfriend and what it entails and how your feelings play into it. I look back and I know that's not That's not how things should have been.
49:15 Were the the highs that you've spoken about, like the thod times? Were they so so high that you would sometimes forget about the lows? I would never forget about the lows. But the highs made me feel like he may have actually been sorry, that it would never happen again, that things would be different this time, like he doesn't want to hurt me. That if I would act a little bit differently and try not to make him mad, then you know, think this wouldn't have to happen. Things could be different. Why did you think you know? If you acted differently, then he wouldn't. Have to do that to you every time? We would tell me if I didn't do this action, then that I wouldn't have to hit you, That this wouldn't happen if you hadn't done something.
50:00 Do you believe that? Did you think that that was? Sometimes? I did? Sometimes I really thought, you know, I I wouldn't have done this, it wouldn't have happened. So, I mean a lot of this blew my mind. But the fact that this asshole starts cheating on her after putting her through hell that she is going through, coupled with the fact that she actually allows him to be with other women so long as she knows about it, I mean, what the hell? Now? What about Christy Max's friends? Did any of them know this was going on? This is some pretty serious abuse by this point in the relationship. Well, she addresses that, as well as the role steroids may have played in war machines behavior in this club.
50:52 Were there some friends that either knew or assumed that some of these things were happening to you? Yes? And who would those friends be? One of my closest friends, Francesca and her her husband Josh. They had seen me at a Christmas party that they were hosting. I came in and I had marks on my face that they had seen. Did you kind of make excuses most of the time to people like that? Yes? And then. Besides Francesca and Josh Is, they're a person who made Johnny blackmar Yes. And who was he to you? He we do web business together, so he had access to my Facebook and in turn, he had access to all of the photos in my library. Yes. We worked with with Josh actually for a few different projects, and he handled the person that does my third party media for my Facebook and things like that.
51:52 Okay, and so did he have access to all the phone the photos on your phone? Yes, he did. I wanna ask you some questions about uh social media. Did you ever post on social media? Uh that john was doing these things to you? I did a couple of times. And first of all, why did why did you make. That decision to do that? It would usually be run after a break up, and I thought, you know, if I let other people know that this is happening, I'd be less likely to go back to him because it would make me look bad, so I would, and it was also it would it would also be to you know, make him look bad, so I I would post on Twitter A couple of times that he had hit me in.
52:49 When you were an adult FILS film star, where you looked at and I don't know the correct word even of this, but where you looked at as kind of like one of the tougher ones. Like image wories. Yeah, yes, like you were more. I mean you're covered up now, but you have like tattoo sleeves, correct. Yes, And I had a mohawk at the time, a really dark hairstyle. And so you said that, you know, you posted these types of things because you felt like if you let other people know, you'd be more embarrassed to go back to him. Yes, there is. Were there a couple of sayings that the. Defendant had that he would usually either say to you or post like on social media.
53:30 There were a couple of yes, what were they? One was out Mailship, which he later developed into a clothing company, okay, and the other is real men right? What is the real men right thing? It's just something that he started saying about like forcefully taking something that you believe is yours. So he would he would say that pretty much at any time that he felt like it. Would he also post it to social media. Yes, And. Was there a time on Twitter, when I don't know if this Twitter Instagram, So forgive me that he had said that he had just raped you. Yes, that was Twitter, okay.
54:12 And was that met with a certain degree of anger by the general public. Yes, and his his the company that was employing him at the time. I had called him and said, you need to take this down, you need to do something. We're gonna fire you, basically things of that nature. Okay. Do you recognize all those things? Yes? I did. And what do you recognize them to be? Uh? Tweets that John Hie, who had both made. Okay's not a fair and accurate depiction of the tweets that you made. In regards to the statement we're talking about, Yes, okay, you're at this time I moved to admit into evidence states proposed two oh nine any ejection, and I think, thanks you, judge. In regards to states two ten, can you go hear me take a look at that. Okay.
55:08 Do you recognize the text messages that are being shown in States two tenth? I don't. I don't remember them happening, But yes. Are those of conversation? I do those these fit. A conversation that we would have Okay, And so that is something that those are terms that would specifically be said in between the two of you. Yes, and is that mister Copenhamer's member. I'm not gonna read it into the record, but it is that his number? Yes, yes, okay, granted this time I moved him into evidence States for post two eight ten. No, we're assentiated, okay, and permission of how to show yeah, okay. I am now showing you States two oh nine. And this is a tweet?
55:52 Was that mister Copenhamor's Twitter candle at war machine like seventy Yes? This okay says just raped at Christy Matt. She tried to make you wait till after errands as if it kind of like with a small smile of face. And this was in August of two thousand thirteen. Oh sorry, can you see that? Oh? Yes, okay? And this this was a joke, correct, Yes. It was? If it was? Should I go into the story? Would you like me to tell you what it's referencing? Yes? Please? That day I had told him, you know, we need to run errands. We don't have time for this. I had already put my makeup on, I was already dressed it I was ready to go, and and of course he he wanted to have sex, so he pushed me down on the bed and we had sex. At first, I was saying, no, we've got things to do, We've got to go, and then after a few minutes, I was just it, just let it happen, and I actually began to enjoy it.
56:48 Okay. So you like, I gotta go, I gotta go, and pushes you off the bed and he has that yes yes, and you're telling him no, Uh. It's not like. It wasn't like the situation that I told you before. It wasn't like I was crying the whole time. It wasn't like I was screaming at him to stop. But I did tell him no okay. But when he inserted his peace trip Vagina, did you start having sex with him? Yes? Okay? And so that's after. These tweets are after that happened, Yes okay, and so on the same thing he tech or he tweets real men rate their girlfriends and why it's not strangers don't get your pantics in a bunch, and then he states, apparently you idiots didn't read my tweet prior to the one y'all are crying about it puts in the right contact and context sensitive ass bitches.
57:45 And you said he got in trouble. Who did you get trouble with the owner of the fighting company that he was working for? And then so did he kind of retrac the stame in it. Yeah, he had to issue an apology and. He stated, I tweeted something earlier that was stupid, Uh, insensitive and wrong. Rape is never something to joke about ever, I sincerely apologize. Is that the apology that he did, Yes, And he told me it would be better if. I had also posted something that said that's not. Where it was, okay, And so you put in sorry cause it's staple that I'm gonna read it. Let me make it sure off the focus this place so you know I'm reading it, Crystal.
58:27 There we go to be clear at war Machine one seventy says stupid things at time, we all know this. He did not rape me, nor would he rape any woman or man. Is that crap? Yes's and that was issued in August of two thousand thirteen, so that would. Be fairly early on in your relationship. Yes, had the Houston what we referred to as the Houston incident, had that occurred yet No, and. Showing you now states to ten, which is text messages between you. And mister copenhemer. He sends you a text message I'm its tall.
59:10 Yeah. He sends you a text message that says cool eight to three, I love you, Sorry, I have a jerk sometimes, and then says, wtf you knew? I hate him? Your dog will kill And then you say rapes. His response to that is real man does and you say you're a real man. Yeah, So explain to us the context of this experience at this conversation space. A lot of times when we were having conversations and he was angry with me, I would say things to redirect him. Uh, usually sexually. I could I could prevent being hit or having him angry with me if I would do something sexual.
59:57 Just kind of distract him from it. And I'm not sure what he was talking about with the the will kill. I don't know who he was talking about that he hated. But what were what were the last two messages you said? Uh, he means he says race you s okay? You say raised yeah. And then this was just an affirmation that he is a real man. That I would tell him all the time, like, yes, you're the best, You're a real man, You're everything.
1:00:41 At at some point to the two break. Up several franks, Yes, and and then meaning kind of towards the spring early summer of two thousand fourteen, Yes, and whose decision was that? That was his? And before that was he living with you in Las Vegas? Yes, he was mostly in my house in law's face. And he would go back to San Diego creft, guess he would. But did he have a lot of things at your home? Yes? He did. When he left or when he woke up with you, did he pack up all of these things and like move out? Yes he did. His his friend helped him pack a U hall while I was in New York and in the he drove back to the San. Diego And when he moved out, did he give you your key back?
1:01:24 No he did not. I just I think we're gonna take a break in a moment. I just want to go over one more section with you. In regards to steroids, would the defect that sometimes use steroids while during your dating relationship? Yes, he did. Do you know, like, how was it that he would take him? Is it a pill or in the injections. How does it work? I would watch him inject himself. I don't know if there's I know if he took pills every once in a while, I don't know exactly what they were, but I would see him inject himself with steroids. Was he was he always on steroids? No? I wouldn't always see him in ject And in fact. Would you have conversations where you knew he wouldn't be on them because it was like a cycle.
1:02:10 Yes, when he was cycling off for a fight, he would. You would stop taking them a certain amount of time before he would fight. Did it matter whether or not he was on or off steroids in regards to his anger towards you? No, So even if he was off them, he would still be angry towards you, Yes, he would. He'd still be violent towards you. Yes. Was he able to function? Did he have a job. Yes, he would work at the gym. He would teach a small children's class. Okay, you like you said he had his own business. Yes, he owned a T shirt company, and so he was able. He was able to functionate. I guess it's my point. Yes, So I'm gonna go ahead and stop this one right here and today you heard right out of Christy Max's mouth, the start of the relationship, then that gradual but steady increase in the abuse as time went on, the threat issues, the control issues, war machine exhibited. And this is just the start. It'll get much worse from here.
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