Part 2 | The Three Sides of Every Scandal: The Interview of Ivana Williams

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Hey one, Welcome back to another
episode of Exposed, Scandalous Files of the

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Elite. I am your host,
Jim Chapman, and we've got kind of

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a treat, a treat for y'all. Today. We have an in studio

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guest and it was someone who we
did a podcast regarding what's going on with

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her. I guess you could say
a couple of episodes ago. I think

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it was the eighth that we dropped
that podcast, and she's here today to

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kind of discuss her side of the
story. And these people are actually human

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beings, they're not just stories,
and they have you know, they have

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a lot to say, and so
we're gonna sit down and talk to her

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today and I'm talking about miss Evanna
Williams. So, first of all,

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welcome to Exposed. Well, thank
you, thank you for having me.

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You're no stranger to podcasting. No, you've been behind a microphone once or

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twice, once or twice. Very
good. And of course we covered your

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your I don't know if i'd say
your case, but what's been going on

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with you recently? And I reached
out to you and I thought it would

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be a good idea to have you
on and just maybe expand on some of

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that and also tell people a little
bit about you who you are. Obviously,

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you were a law enforcement officer in
the state of Mississippi. Yes,

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I was for quite some time,
and we had a conversation that it's Mississippi

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Highway Patrol there. Probably a couple
times during that podcast I referred to it

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as state police because I'm from Louisiana
and that's what we have. We have

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the Louisiana State Police, but they're
a little bit different but similar in that,

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you know, you patrol the interstates. I guess you could say a

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lot of it. You offer executive
protection. Do you do that as well?

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You know, I have done classes
or I've done a class but for

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executive protection, and I've done a
few details. But we have an actual

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division with the Highway Patrol that was
executive protection, and they do. They

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guard the governor, lieutenant governor,
you know, and a few other coaches,

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the college coach, they do,
the garden coaches, and if any

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dignitaries come into the state and they
need somebody to escort them around, then

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a trooper will be assigned to that
detail. You were born in Pearl City,

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Mississippi. Well, that's where I'm
from. Okay, So there's actually

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no hospital in Pearla. I was
born in Jackson, right next door to

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Pearl, Mississippi. Okay, but
yes, I grew up in Pearl and

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now I live in Brandon. I
have a store in Pearl. I know

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you had mentioned that last podcast.
It said in Brandon. It's actually in

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Pearl. Oh, I got you, okay. And how far are those

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from each other? Not far,
they're neighboring cities. Yeah, kind of

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like Baton Region and Denim Springs,
right, I got you. Okay,

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very good, you're smart girl.
Well, thank you. Criminal justin what

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the masters? What was it about
law enforcement? And let me say this

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before you answer. You're female law
enforcement still to this day. And I

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think it's gotten a lot better,
obviously, but still to this day probably

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more of a male dominated field.
Oh. Absolutely, do you agree with

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that? Absolutely? And you know
you say it's gotten better, it probably

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has. But in the highway Patrol
and smaller areas in Mississippi, you just

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don't see any women. Yeah.
You know, it worked Ranking and Simpson

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County whenever I was with the Highway
Patrol, and they had maybe one female

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in Ranking County and that was not
when I first started out. That was

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only recently and I was with the
High Patrol for six years. I never

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saw a female on the road.
They within the last year, maybe two

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years, they have had a female
on the road and only one. Really,

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Yes, same thing with Simpson County. Why do you think that is?

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Is it they're not apply or do
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kind of stuck back in the older
generation. I guess definitely the mentality

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of a female can't handle themselves,
especially when it comes to counties, because

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you're out by yourself, you know, it's almost like being a state trooper.

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You're not with you know, other
city officers, where you guys are

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within a few hundred feet almost you
know of each other. And so I

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think a lot of sheriffs are a
little bit worried about it. But I

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don't want to say it's by no
means what I have done with the Higher

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Patrol, But as far as me
going into the Higher Patrol and seeing,

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hey, there's a female that works
in ranking and Simpson County by herself,

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and she's you know, she's a
female, she can do it. Why

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are we not hiring females? For
our county. Yeah, so I don't

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want to say it was me,
but it was just after I became a

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trooper. Then a few years later, that's when I started seeing females in

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the counties. I was working very
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at what was it about law enforce? Well, I actually I never would

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have expected me to be in law
enforcement. I always wanted to go into

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marketing, sports marketing. I always
grew up playing sports and trying to compete

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with my brothers, and I wanted
to end up going to the New York

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Yankees. I didn't work for them
because I have family in New York,

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New Jersey, and it just didn't
really work out that way. So I

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ended up getting my bachelor's from Missisipi
College in Business BSBA, with it marketing

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emphasis. And I had my first
son when I was twenty one, right

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before I graduated and got married,
and my dad had a heart attack,

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and so I grew up having to
travel back and forth to New Jersey see

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my grandmother only like once or twice
a year. And I didn't want my

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son if I were to move up
to New York, I didn't want him

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only seeing his grandfather, my father, you know, once or twice a

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year. So I started looking at
other options and started looking into sports marketing.

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In Jackson area. Well, as
you can imagine, there's not very

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many sports marketing jobs. So I
was working at Misspeake College as a dispatcher

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and for their public safety department.
And the guys in there, they're like,

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well, you're into sports. You
know, you're real athletic. Why

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don't you apply for the highway patrol? And I was twenty one. I

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was like, what's the highway patrol? And they're like, oh, it's

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like it's really hard. It's not
many women get in. Not many men

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can even make it. You know, Marines have gone in and not made

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it through. It's a fifty percent
dropout rate. They yell and scream at

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you all the time. I was
like, I think I can do that.

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Sounded like a challenge. Sound me
like a challenge. So I couldn't

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find any other jobs. So I
was married at the time, and I

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remember going up to my husband and
I already had application filled out and everything,

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and I said we were at Arby's. I remember everything, and I

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said, hey, what do you
think about me applying for the highway patrol

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and he sat back and he thought
for a second. He said, that's

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fine, you won't make it.
And so ever since then it was like,

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well, watch and see, because
you got to remember, I had

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brothers growing up, and I always
competed with them. And so now I'm

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married to a guy that, like, I feel like I have to prove,

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you know, my worth to you
know, prove that I can do

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stuff just like the boys can.
And I mean I was still interested in

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the first place. He was a
police officer for Pearl, and I was

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around him, you know, from
eighteen to you know whatever. I thirty

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one, thirty two when we got
divorced, finally, but I so I

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saw what he did. I thought
it was interesting. I thought it looked

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fun. I started going to classes
at MSISI College. My first let me

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back up a little bit. My
first year was at Morehead, which is

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missby Delta Community College my freshman year, and they have a police academy on

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campus, and so I played soccer
at Morehead and I would see all these

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recruits for the police academy going around
and you know, running and doing the

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push ups and all that. I
was like, Okay, that's looks interesting.

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So the next year, my sophomore
year, when I went to Missispi

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College, I started taking electives in
criminal justice. So not only was it

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really easy for me to pass those
classes because they were interesting and fun,

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but it's just I actually enjoyed doing
it, Like I enjoyed learning about different

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narcotics and about behavior, police behavior
and you know, all the criminal mind

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and all of this stuff. So
my minor, even though it wasn't official,

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it was criminal justice. And when
I graduated and I went to my

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husband and asked him and he's like, oh, you can't. You're not

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gonna make it, it was,
you know, game on at that point,

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because not only was already interested in
it, it was I'm going to

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prove you wrong. Yeah, that's
right. I can relate to that one

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hundred percent. Tell me I can't
do something and that and watch. I

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used to tell people hold my beer
because I'm about to make it happen.

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Those type of things are motivators to
people, especially people that are athletic that

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are used to competing. You know, you want to motivate them, tell

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them they can't do something right watch
and you know, so you were an

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athletic person, you played sports growing
up, competed things like that. Okay,

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and you're pretty tall. Yeah,
I didn't realize you were. You

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can't tell someone's tall, you know, online, unless they're standing next to

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somebody I tall, are you?
I'm six feet six feet yeah, And

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it's funny because people on social media
don't believe me, and I've already said

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it, you know, yes,
you're six feet y'all, and they're like,

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oh yeah, six feet with your
boots on. I'm like, no,

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really, like I'm six feet tall, like my family's tall, you

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know, just good genetics. I
guess. Well, I saw, and

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I'll shout out your TikTok right now. And incidentally, we're gonna linker social

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and stuff like that in the description
of this podcast, so you can go

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straight to it and check it out. But I saw you were shooting basketball

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in one of them, so yeah, I know you had some sort of

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athletic ability for sure. Oh yeah, So I've played basketball, soccer,

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softball, swimming. I was on
a swim team. Wow. Not very

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good at that one. Great at
swimming, just not great at competing in

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swimming. Yeah, because I do
everything very gracefully, is what my coach

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said. And I remember him saying, you're a graceful swimmer, but you're

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not fast. Yeah, And I
was like, well, maybe this is

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not the sport for me. But
I did track, cross country, high

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jumping, track. I've pretty much
done everything. If you tell me let's

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go play something, I can probably
play. That's pretty awesome, very good.

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So you do, you get interested
in the highway patrol, and you

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join the highway Patrol. You make
It wasn't as hard as everybody was saying

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it was. Well, it took
a while to get there. It took

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me seven years to get in.
Oh wow. So back in the day

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it was usually about every three years
they would have a class because they just

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didn't get the funding for it right. And so I applied for class sixty

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and then three years later, so
class sixty one, three years later a

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class sixty two. So it was
like six seven years to actually finally get

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in. Yeah, you were very
persissive. Oh yeah. And in between

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that time, I worked for different
law enforcement agencies and between having kids,

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so I would work somewhere, get
pregnant, get out, go back,

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get pregnant, get you know.
And one of the times I actually ended

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up having three boys at home.
And I stayed out for about two years,

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two three years because it was cheaper
just staying at home with the three

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babies than it was to go to
work for law enforcement because you're not gonna

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make any money. So by the
time you paid for daycare, you you're

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actually paying to go to work,
you know. So I just stayed home

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and during that time, I ended
up getting my masters because I'm not the

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type of person that just sits home
and just sits still, even though raising

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three boys is a lot of work, I still was like, I want

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to do something, and I always
wanted to get my masters in business,

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but I barely made it through accounting. So I was like, I'm not

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going to go take a master's level
in accounting. So I was like,

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I'll get my minor and go with
that. And so I ended up Homeland

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Security just opened up as actual program
instead of a certificate like a lot of

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people believe it is. And so
my dad was working at Msby College at

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the time. He's like, you
should go do this. I was like,

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okay, and it gave me my
masters that I always wanted. It

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was not that business degree, but
it was something that I was very interested

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in and so I actually studied a
lot about parchment, which is the prison

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system in Mississippi. And a lot
of people think if you have masters,

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you're very educated, which you are, but you're only really educated in that

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one particular field. Yeah, you're
an expert in that, yeah, whatever

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it is. Yeah. So I
sat out for a while and then worked

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at Brandon Police Department, where I
live, right before I applied to the

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high Wor Patrol, and so I
was with Brandon for a year, a

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little over a year when I started
with the Higher Patrol in October. But

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you can't claim you work for the
Highway Patrol until you graduate. So I

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went to the academy October twenty ninth
of twenty seventeen, and then I graduated

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March six of twenty eighteen. But
that's the official start day. That's the

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official day you became a trooper and
you can start your retirement all that.

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Beforehand, you're just kind of like
a contract worker, gotcha. But for

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six months I was in the academy. Yeah, yeah, awesome and high

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priority. When you were able to
accomplish that and you're official, yeah,

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proud day for you. It was
huge. Like I had already gone through

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basic Academy for police department. And
I was at Meloda, which is missedb

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BE Law Enforcement Officer Training Academy.
And I don't want to say I enjoyed

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it by any means, but it
was one of those like taught me a

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lot. And I remember people saying, well, what do you think the

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higher patrol academy is going to be? Like, you know, it's called

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patrol school. I was like,
was probably gonna be the worst day at

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Meloda, but every day for patrol
school. And I was right. The

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worst day at Meloda was every day
at patrol school. So it was very

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difficult. It was one of those
you know, what did I get myself

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into type of situations. However,
I had wanted it for so long seven

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years. Yeah, I had wanted
it for so long. I didn't care

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what they did, what I had
to do. I was going to finish.

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I didn't care. And everybody says, oh, I'm not leaving unless

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they carry me out in a body
bag. That's like the typical thing people

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say. Right. No, I
didn't say that, of course, but

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it was I hid that I was
hurt, so I didn't go on light

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duty type of situation. I'm trying
to think of what the actual word is.

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But I wasn't restricted by anything.
I already came in and I wasn't

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just one hundred percent in shape,
you know. I was in shape for

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me, Yeah, but in shape
for what they want. Yeah, that's

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a whole different shape. Yeah.
I was non in shape. I was

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working out in the morning. I
would get up in the morning, go

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run two or three miles, go
to work, come back and that's a

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twelve hour shift, come back home, you know, take care of the

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kids, and then go run,
you know, eight nine o'clock at night

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again another two or three miles,
and you just you just set a mouthful

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before we gloss over that. And
that was take care of the kids.

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And that was for k So,
but you had that added responsibility onto h

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or in reverse of most guys who
are They're waking up and they're just going

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to train. Yeah, all these
sorts of things. I mean, that's

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a big deal. That's a full
time job by itself. Yeah. And

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I mean back then, so we
would either have my mom come watch the

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kids, you know, so we
didn't really have them in daycare or anything,

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or we'd pay for a babysitter if
both me and my husband at the

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time was working, but we usually
had like opposite shifts and stuff because he

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was a police officer. I was
a police officer. But I did everything

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I could to get ready for patrol
school, and it was still not enough,

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you know. And so I just
remember in there that I had done

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so much research and saw all the
videos of the prior patrol schools, and

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I had heard all the stories of
how if you get hurt, they kick

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you out, and so whenever I
got hurt, I didn't tell anyway,

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you know, because I was worried
that they would kick me out. And

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I also didn't want to be on
any type of restriction because I was already

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not in enough shape for what I
needed to be. So I didn't want

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to. I know myself, and
I know if I'm like off and I

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don't run for two or three days, I'm worse off than if I were

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to just continue to go, because
I guess my metabolism goes so quickly,

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or I don't know how I build
muscle. I have no idea, but

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I wanted to continue to do everything
they did, and there was one time

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I did remember, I just I
had to tell them and I use it

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to my I guess, strategic advantage
because it was almost Thanksgiving and we were

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going to be off for like three
days, so we only had like two

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days there for that week, two
or three days. And so Monday morning

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I get up because we have to
report Sunday and we're already doing pete Sunday

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Monday morning, doing pet stuff like
that. So Monday morning, I remember

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getting up and I couldn't walk,
and I was like having to like hold

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on to, you know, the
bunks and stuff like that to try to

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walk. And I just told the
ladies that I was with, I had

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two other females with me. I
was like, I can't, I can't

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do it, And so I ended
up having to kind of just wake up

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because in the morning it's a little
bit harder, you know. Sure,

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so I got kind of going a
little bit and I could actually walk,

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but I couldn't couldn't go more than
probably like a foot ahead of me because

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it was my groin area that was
messed up, and so any like stretching

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of my leg was extruciating pain.
And so I had to walk across the

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place. But I told the ladies, I was like, please just go

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ahead. And tell them what's going
on, so that weather or not yelling

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at me the whole time while I'm
walking across to get to the mail barracks.

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And so they did that, and
I had to go see the doctor

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and all that. I was terrified
that I was gonna get you know,

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kicked out all that. And he's
like, no, I know you want

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to be here. We're gonna we're
gonna take this and use it to our

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advantage. We're gonna put you on
restriction for two days, and two days

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you're here. That way, you
have another three days, so you have

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a whole week to rest. So
I did that, and I remember,

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like the Tuesday, I'm over here
doing like arm rotations. Do you know

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what that is? Oh? Yeah, okay, So I was doing arm

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rotations because I was on restriction and
stuff like that, and all the guys

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were out at the flagpole and anybody
from Mississippi is going to know what that

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means. So everybody I was out
at the flagpole and they were doing pushups

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and you know, any type of
mountain climbers, any running drills they could

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think of. Whatever. They were
being tortured, right, and I'm over

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here just doing arm rotations, and
I had the lieutenant that was overtraining come

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up, and I mean he said
this all the time, but he's like,

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Williams, You're pathetic, you know, like constantly, and that was

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I mean, it wasn't the first
time, but I felt pathetic because here

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I am, like, all these
guys out here are getting it, you

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know, and I'm not with them. And so yes, I still use

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that because it was the last day
before Thanksgiving, so I still used it

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to my strategic advantage to survive.
But after that, whenever I came back,

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I had to go to doctor and
you know, make sure everything was

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clear all that. I was still
hurting, right, and he's like,

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how are you feeling? I was
like, oh, I'm fine, you

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go because I much rather be out
there doing what I can do with my

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guys than doing arm rotation. Yeah. You know how many how many females

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were in there with you? There? Started? It started out with about

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five and very quickly two of them
left. How many men five or six

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actually to them, so it actually
was one hundred and twenty all together,

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and so there was about five females. Wow, yeah, one hundred and

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twenty. And then we ended up
graduating fifty six fifty six fifty six men

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women and so three women and a
fifty six. Wow. Yeah, that's

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a big difference. Yeah, in
interesting and it was. It was a

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lot of hard times. You know, you're just thinking, like, how

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in the world can you make it? Like I remember one time we were

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doing a three hour and I'm not
exaggerating that we were doing a three hour

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like PT session because they were trying
to get people to leave, you know,

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like they were. They even said
it, They're like, we're not

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stopping until we have five more people
quit. I'm like looking around. I

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know it's not me. So I
know, like, I mean, how

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much longer can we be here?
You know, because I'm not I'm not

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quitting, So I'm looking I'm hoping
somebody else quits because I want to get

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done with this. But you know, at the same time, it's not

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gonna be me quit sure, So
love that. Yeah, it's just a

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It taught you a lot. You
know a lot of people think, well,

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why go through such a hard academy? And that's been the big controversy

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over in Mississippi is whis patrol school
so difficult compared to you know, regular

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law Enforcement Academy, especially whenever they
say, oh, state troopers only write

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tickets and work RECs, right,
and state troopers do a lot more than

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that, but that is their primary, you know job that day or in

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their ship. If you're a roadman, you go write tickets, you work

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ricks. Sure, you're called anything
else with you know, down the road.

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As far as if a hurricane happens, a tornado, if there's a

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domestic case that's going on on the
road or off you know, on the

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side of the road, you're you're
dealing with that, You're dealing with murders

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that happened on the road. Yeah, things like that. And then later

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on in your career you become an
investigator, you're dealing with a lot more

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issues and investigations and stuff like that. But a regular trooper you work tickets,

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I mean, you work corrects and
write tickets. Yeah, but you're

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experts at it. Unbelievably impressive that
you were able to get through that,

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and one of a very few females, but one of very few people forget

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female, male, half the people
quit. Yeah, yep, that's a

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drop out, right, Yeah.
Yeah, So that's what I was saying.

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The controversy is there. And you
know, patrol school teaches you a

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lot more than just write tickets.
Yeah, correct. It teaches teaches you

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about life, teaches you how to
survive and how to make it. And

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when you think you can't make it
and you can't go on anymore, you

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remember where you're taught in patrol school
and it helps you. Yeah, throughout,

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it's a life lesson. Oh yeah, well, if you can get

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through that, you can get through
anything. It's you know, and people

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in the military same way. A
lot of times, especially with like special

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Forces duty and stuff like that.
You get through a good seal training and

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pretty much nothing else you get thrown
at in life is going to equal that,

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and so you can you never that
is it everything you thought it would

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be? Was it? Oh?
I loved it. So when I was

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in patrol school, a lot of
the troopers would say that, you guys

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that have been at counties or cities, you think you got attention before,

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You're going to get ten times more
attention. Now you're the boss on these

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scenes. You are the one in
charge and the one everybody will come and

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run to, right, And I
was like, what an egotistical you know,

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tack officer right, you know,
because I was a police officer before,

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and I was like that, there's
no way, you know, it's

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law enforcements, law enforcement. Right
when I put on that uniform and I

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started working, I saw the difference. And a lot of people were like,

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Oh, that's just because you're a
brainwashed No. When I have been

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on both sides, you know,
local law enforcement and the state agency,

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and I've seen what it's like how
you're treated on both sides. Now,

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I was treated always good every time, but it is a completely different environment

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and you have to be your own
boss. You don't have a supervisor you

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can call every time it's going to
be right around the corner. You've got

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to figure it out and make a
decision and stick with that decision. And

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so it was very different. I
definitely enjoyed it because I wasn't stuck to

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a city, right. I got
to go to the state games, you

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know, the Miss Sippy State games, the Old Miss games. They I

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got to be on the field.
You know who can say that they got

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to be on the field during a
game, And it's just an incredible experience.

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There were so many things I was
had opportunity to do, you know,

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escort details, being able to travel
the state, being able to be

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that first responder anywhere in the state. You know, my husband at the

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time or ex husband now, so
he still works for Pearl Police Department.

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And it was one of those like, Okay, the storms passed, yeah,

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maybe for you, maybe for Pearl, and nothing happened in Pearl,

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but the storm hasn't passed out of
Mississippi, so I'm still on call,

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you know. So it was one
of those huge difference and you just have

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to be there and experience it to
really understand it. I can tell you

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all day long. It was a
difference, but it just like like I

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once thought of that egotistical trooper who
thought they were better than everybody. No,

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it's it really is the truth,
you know, and you won't know

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it until you see it. Right, very interesting, So let me ask

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you this. You were you're going
through and your road what do you call

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it? A road deputy, I
guess, or a road trooper? Roadman?

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Okay, so you're a roadman.
You're out there and you know,

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look, y'all, that's dangerous work
because you don't know if you're pulling someone

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over if they don't have you know, five hundred pounds of cocaine in the

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back of their car, or you
may just be pulling them over for speeding,

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right, and that person may not
want to go to jail that day.

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And so to me, mad respect
to you and and all the people

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that do that, that you'll approach
your vehicle and you you know, you're

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doing what you're trained to do,
and driver's lots of rostration. You're going

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nine hundred and two or whatever.
What was it, November of twenty twenty

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two. Yeah, you and a
firm go out. Yeah. Well,

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I guess everybody you know has heard
that your previous podcast and all that,

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and so yeah. I've been on
the news and social media and podcast and

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all over and so yeah. For
for six years, I never got in

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trouble, never was rowed up.
I was on a billboard for the Highway

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Patrol. I was on their recruiting
team, mount of Patrol SOG team,

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which is Special Operations Group. I
did everything I could for them. If

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they needed me to change a shift, guess what I changed a shift?

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I took care of it didn't matter
if I already had plans. I figured

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out how to help the Highway Patrol
and so I did everything I could and

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was there a little hiccups, you
know, missing court something like that.

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Yeah, every single trooper will miss
court you're in there, and it's not

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on purpose or anything. You just
have so many different counties you go to,

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especially coming from a city department to
a state agency. You know.

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I was used to one city,
you know, and they had it on

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the board of when you go to
court. Most time you're working anyway,

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they scheduled it where you're working with
a higher patrol. You have multiple counties

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you work, and multiple courts you
got to go to, and some are

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on Tuesday and some are on Wednesday
somewhere on Thursday, some are at nine

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somewhere at one. And so whenever
I first started, yeah, I mean

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I was like learning everything. And
so I say that to say that,

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yes, you know, I have
hiccups, but I never was rode up

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for anything. Sure, never have
been disciplined nothing, and always was in

410
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:49.400
Troops C which is Jackson District,
and never had any issues, never had

411
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:55.000
any complaints. I actually had accommodation
letters for how nice I was on traffic

412
00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:00.960
stops and that's been pressive and no
complaints. Look, everybody's pist when they

413
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.440
get a traffic ticket, even if
on it would be pissidents. You've got

414
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.279
a traffic ticket. But for people
not to complain about that ever, and

415
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.359
that amount of time is pretty impressive
in my book. Yeah. I remember

416
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.640
going up to the clerk one day
at justice court, you know, to

417
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.799
maybe sign off on some citations or
something, and she said, we get

418
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.319
phone calls about you all the time. I was like, Oh, why

419
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.960
they complaining. They're like, no, they want to say how nice you

420
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.920
were on your traffic stide. That's
pretty awesome. Yeah. So I just

421
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.400
I remember her saying that to me. I thought that was pretty funny.

422
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.960
Yeah, it is, Uh,
that was just me. That's me as

423
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.680
how I was in law enforcement is
because I treat you just as good as

424
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.559
you treat me. Even if you
are having a crappy day and you're mean

425
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:47.680
to me, I'm not going to
let my ego stoop to your level.

426
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.599
I'm going to keep that level head. I'm going to continue to be me.

427
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.759
Because you were just pulled over and
I don't know what's going on in

428
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.359
your life. You know, I
don't know if you're running late to work

429
00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.480
because you have a sick parent at
home that you have to take care by

430
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.720
yourself, Like I don't know what's
going on, and honestly, you going

431
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.759
ten miles or my limit was fifteen
to twenty, but you know, at

432
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.839
first it was probably ten. I'm
not gonna lie. It's probably that typical

433
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.480
trooper, you not gonna speed on
my highway. But I was still nice

434
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.599
about it, you know, And
although I still gave about citations, I

435
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.319
was always very you know, courteous
and kind because I don't know what that

436
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.279
person's dealing with in their life,
and my job is not to make them

437
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.680
pay something. My job is to
protect them. And that's why I got

438
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.480
in law enforcement, is to protect
Yeah. I never had anything going on,

439
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:40.519
and then, like you said,
November of twenty twenty two, supposedly

440
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:45.319
an incident happened. So the reason
why I say that is because how all

441
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.599
of this started, how I was
fired everything, and yes, once again

442
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:56.680
I can't say everything. But I
was brought out in the news in last

443
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.480
November, and a lot of people
think this is a new story. It's

444
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.319
not. I've been with us for
a long time. Yeah. So last

445
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.240
November, November twenty twenty three,
I had an article brought out about me

446
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:15.480
in a gossip colum in Jackson area, and the Highway Control of course found

447
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.480
out about it. You know,
I go through internal affairs, you know,

448
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.920
and even prior to this, I
actually was at the Attorney General's office.

449
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:29.680
So this woman accuse me of some
very heinous stuff, and I go

450
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.160
to the AG's office and they're ask
me, you know, what's the story,

451
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.519
what's this about? And I tell
them, you know, they even

452
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:41.440
mirandized me. Now when they called
you in there, did you know any

453
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.599
of this was coming out? Did
you Did they just call you out of

454
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.759
the clear blue one day and say, hey, we need to talk to

455
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:53.880
you about something or were you already
aware that what? Yeah? Girl ahead,

456
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:56.680
Oh, I was here in rumors. I mean everybody here's right,

457
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.640
okay, but yeah, so only
thing I had to talk to them about.

458
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:06.359
It's just rumors. But anyway,
I talked to them about what was

459
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.519
going on. And that was in
August, and then November comes around and

460
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:15.079
this article comes out and it is
extremely embarrassing. You know, we didn't

461
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.480
have my name at first, but
it everybody knew who it was because,

462
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:24.119
like I said, there's only there's
only one female in ranking in Simpson County

463
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:30.400
honestly, there's only one white female
in the entire state. And it didn't

464
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.720
I mean, it didn't say that
it was white female, but it talked

465
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.240
about living in Brandon and all that. And yeah, it wasn't hard to

466
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:42.799
put. It wasn't too difficult.
So it was extremely embarrassing. And it's

467
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.720
just one of those I had to
deal with it. And I couldn't say

468
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.519
anything because I was working for the
highway Patrol and they speak for me,

469
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:54.599
you know, So I just had
to be quiet. And I had oh

470
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.240
I wanted to like scream to the
rooftop like I didn't do this, you

471
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.880
know, Like, but I had
an attorney buddy of mine. He told

472
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:06.480
me, He's like, Ivanna,
it doesn't matter how much evidence you present

473
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:08.839
to the general public. Half of
them are never going to believe you.

474
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.960
It doesn't matter what you tell them. They're going to think something's like there's

475
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.960
some type of cover up, there's
something and who really cares. You know

476
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.720
what you did and you know what
you didn't do, so don't worry about

477
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.839
it. Just be calm, be
still, you know. And so that's

478
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.200
what I did. I didn't,
you know, say anything on social media

479
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:36.640
and all that, and then December
comes around and she ends up putting a

480
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:43.559
filing and temporary restraining order on me
in chance recurt And that was December of

481
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.079
twenty twenty three, and so that's
when I actually finally saw what she is

482
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:50.480
claiming is going on, like actually
a document, because I have not been

483
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.000
able to see a document this entire
time. And so I finally saw this

484
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:59.359
document and she claims that, you
know, I hurt her in November of

485
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:04.200
twenty twenty two, and this is
now December of twenty twenty three that she

486
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.920
decides to do a temporary restraining order. Now I don't get served these papers,

487
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.079
oh yeah. And so it's another
month or so until I get served

488
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.079
these papers for the temporary training order. But in the meantime, I get

489
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:24.159
transferred with a work December twenty ninth, and I had until January second to

490
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.719
go to Troop D, which is
two and a half hours away from my

491
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:36.039
home. I only brought home twenty
four hundred dollars a month. Okay,

492
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:40.199
so you have to pay mortgage,
utility bills, gas, you know,

493
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:45.079
car insurance, all of this stuff
on twenty four hundred dollars a month.

494
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:51.320
And now I'm being transferred two and
a half hours away from my kids,

495
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.480
from my house, from my business
that I was. I just moved locations

496
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:01.280
I hadn't opened up yet. And
and now I got to pay for more

497
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.119
gas because I don't want to miss
out on my kids' lives. And I

498
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.199
got to pay rent up there,
got to get more furniture, all of

499
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:14.239
this because I had furniture at home, of course, but that wouldn't make

500
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.480
any sense for me to move that
furniture to the Delta. And then whenever

501
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.639
I am home with my kids,
my kids have nothing to sit on,

502
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.000
you know, or no dining room
table to eat at. And so I

503
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:28.880
had to go buy new stuff.
And I only had seven days to file

504
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:35.559
agreements. And I sent an email
first. I did not want to have

505
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.719
to file agrievance. I didn't want
to have to go through all of this.

506
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.039
I do not You know a lot
of people are like, oh,

507
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:45.239
keep fighting, you're a fighter.
I really don't want to fight anyway,

508
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.480
you know, I don't want I
don't want any of this. I'm not

509
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.440
an aggressive person at all, Like
I would not hurt a fly. The

510
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.960
reason why I've done so well in
law enforcement is because I communicate and I

511
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.280
talk to somebody with dignity and respect, you know, and that's got to

512
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:05.119
me a lot further than trying to
be aggressive and have my ego like,

513
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.960
oh, you're going to do what
I say because I say, do it

514
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:13.639
right. So they never responded to
an email and I had to file agrievance

515
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.239
and thirty two days after I was
transferred in twenty six days after I filed

516
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:22.159
agreements, that's when they came up
with, well, you violated these policies.

517
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:27.880
So you know, a lot of
people have sent me the stelle Cracker.

518
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.360
Is that his name, the Louisiana. Yeah, yeah, I actually

519
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.800
know him pretty well. So they
have sent me a podcast that he did

520
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:40.440
and it sounds so familiar. Because
I did not violate any law. I

521
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:50.280
have not been charged criminally with anything. They said I violated policy. And

522
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.840
the reason why I continue to fight
is because, just like I've been telling

523
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.320
people on social media that I'm innocent
and I will prove I'm innocent, it's

524
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.239
not going to be a me versus
them, It's gonna be court will determine,

525
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:07.880
and I'm gonna let court proceeding show
my innocence. Right. So that's

526
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.679
another reason why I don't just get
into everything is yes, I have court,

527
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.360
but also everybody doesn't need to know
every single detail because guess what,

528
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.280
they're not going to believe it anyway. Yeah, you know, but if

529
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.119
I have court that backs me up, well then that's saying something. Indeed,

530
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:29.239
no, I agree with that one
hundred percent. And so get called

531
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.760
in you're in the age, tells
you you know, here's what's going on.

532
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:37.360
Then the state police or not the
state Police, but the Mississippi Highway

533
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:42.400
Patrol in your case. You know, these are your people, right,

534
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:46.280
these are your your brothers and sisters
in law enforcement, and also the people

535
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:52.679
that you work for, and uh, you would think they're gonna have your

536
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:58.719
back one hundred percent, and it
just seemed like, uh maybe, oh

537
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:05.360
it was more of in my opinion, it was an embarrassment and they were

538
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.159
hoping it would just go away.
They would either the ship me off and

539
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.320
I stay there and I stay quiet, I don't say anything, or I

540
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:17.039
just quit. And I'm not a
quitter. Quarter So if I did something

541
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.960
wrong, I would own up to
it and be like, you know what,

542
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.079
I'm gonna take my punishment. I'm
going to roll on out, you

543
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.800
know. And but I didn't.
I didn't do anything, and that would

544
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.199
have been the easiest thing. Oh
yeah, if I would have gone,

545
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:30.880
if I would have been, I
mean this would probably be ever. Oh

546
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.800
absolutely, I would have still been
in the delta and I would have been

547
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.239
doing my thing and nobody would have
nothing would have happened, you know.

548
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:46.480
But I have been trampled on throughout
my life a lot, and you would

549
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.559
think that I would have such a
bad attitude, but I don't. I

550
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.119
just know that you got to pick
your battles. And I was actually talking

551
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:59.239
to the trooper the other day that
you know, we've been good colleagues for

552
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:04.920
an number of years and throughout this
whole time when the higher Patrol anytime they

553
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.000
would be like, oh, well
you're doing you didn't go to court.

554
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.400
What about the other twenty troopers that
didn't go to court? Either you know,

555
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.800
why are you looking at me more
than anybody else? Or oh you

556
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.840
posted on social media? Yeah,
so did this trooper in his speedo's Yeah

557
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.639
that's you know, getting ready for
a competition. You did you say anything

558
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.039
to him? No, you didn't. And let me let me just fill

559
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.280
people in on that, because I
saw that post that you had put uh

560
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:37.840
TikTok that you had put and the
so Evana was approached by someone in her

561
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.840
job, I guess you would say
higher up, And this higher up said,

562
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.920
you know, you can't really be
posting a picture BECAMEI on the on

563
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:52.079
the internet and Evanna's like, it's
a bathing suit and I was at a

564
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.719
pool, yeah, you know.
And so this guy's like, yeah,

565
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.360
but I mean, you can't really
be And she's like, well, let

566
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.480
me ask you some then. What
if I'm a guy like a lot of

567
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:06.199
state troopers out there, and I'm
at the beach with my family and I'm

568
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.199
posting a picture and I'm in swim
trunks or speedo or I don't roll with

569
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:15.000
the speed a's But if you are, same thing, right, And the

570
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.440
guy didn't really have a whole lot
to say to that, because it is

571
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.960
a good point. And look,
that is a big proof of the double

572
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.880
standard in law and not in law
enforcement as much as in life. I

573
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:37.239
mean, but law enforcement it directly
relates to. In this case, you're

574
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:42.679
at it. You're at a pool
and you're in a bathing suit, which

575
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.480
is absolutely normal, and everybody is
there is in bathing suits, and you're

576
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:52.400
getting criticized for it. I'm as
told you can't do it. It's crazy.

577
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:58.119
There's a lot of cases like that, and said, though it really

578
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:05.480
is. I had a female trooper
who retired and she told me that being

579
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.719
a female in law enforcement, especially
with the highway Patrol, it is like

580
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:13.840
being a female on the football team. Okay, you don't really hear of

581
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.679
it, right, there are females
out there on football teams now, right,

582
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:19.800
but she said, it's like being
a female on the football team.

583
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.199
Nobody really wants you there. But
not only are you on the team,

584
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.639
you are getting the attention of the
quarterback, like you are getting you are

585
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.800
the quarterback. You are getting the
attention as the quarterback. So you're all

586
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.400
the eyes are on you. Yeah, they're waiting for you to do something

587
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.400
right. And so I have come
to realize that is the best quote.

588
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.320
That is the best like analogy that's
actually I have ever heard. And then

589
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:52.239
I had another female that retired with
the Higher Patrol and she told me,

590
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.960
She's like, there's a lot of
beautiful women in the world. There are

591
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.880
not a lot of beautiful women that
are state troopers, and so you will

592
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.800
get a lot of attention, a
lot of eyes on you, and that

593
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:08.800
has been definitely true. Some good, some bad, and it's just things

594
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:13.400
that I have to deal with and
I'm trying to deal with it as best

595
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.079
as I can. You know,
I think you're doing a good job of

596
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.480
it. It's I can't imagine that. Look, that's a lot of pressure.

597
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:22.400
You're under a lot of pressure,
I mean, quite frankly, and

598
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:29.679
you roll through it. It's amazing
how how you deal with it. Most

599
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:36.800
people fold under pressure. Strong people, very strong people almost thrive under it.

600
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.719
I put myself against corners sometimes and
back myself against walls, and I

601
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:45.239
really do because I am best under
pressure, There's no doubt about it.

602
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:54.159
And sometimes that's to my detriment.
But you are. You seem very calm

603
00:42:54.760 --> 00:43:00.559
for someone that is under such a
microscope right now. And look, not

604
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:07.760
only from a the process of your
job, but also from the process of

605
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:13.920
your reputation. I mean, you've
got people out there and they're they're doing

606
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:19.719
everything they can to try to ruin
your reputation, to try to to you

607
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.920
know, you get horrible text messages
for example, and yeah, these are

608
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:27.360
horrible and I'm not even going to
go into what they are. But you're

609
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.039
handling them with grace, there's no
doubt about it. Well it's uh,

610
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.519
it hasn't always been the best.
So you know, we going back to

611
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.480
the whole storyline. So I got
fired in February and so now we're here

612
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.480
in July. I still have yet
to find a job. Yeah, you

613
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:51.159
know. And when I first got
fired, it was you know, off

614
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.440
and on crime. It was like, oh, I'm like, you know,

615
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.960
pissed, mad, happy, sad, like you know, everything that

616
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.880
you can think of for at least, you know, at least two weeks.

617
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.639
I would say I didn't want to
be alone. You know, I

618
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.199
have my kids once a week.
I'm divorced now and I have my kids

619
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.679
once a week. Uh, you
know, once every other week makes sense.

620
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.599
So I get them a Sunday to
Sunday every other week, so the

621
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.119
Sunday, right, So when I
didn't have them, I wanted to make

622
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:21.880
sure I was around people, you
know, I just I didn't want to

623
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.159
be alone. Sure, So it
was what am I going to do?

624
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.559
And I was actually offered a job
at the day after I got fired.

625
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:37.800
I was offered a job to go
and sell hunts. And I'm still talking

626
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.079
to that guy, but he had
told me at the time. He's like,

627
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:44.119
I'm not gonna be able to hire
you until April because that's when we'll

628
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.400
start really doing everything we need to
do. I was like, okay,

629
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.559
I can. I looked at my
bank account, I'm like, all right,

630
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.719
I can manage. I could be
offered, you know, two months

631
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.840
or whatever it might be. I
was like, but anytime after that,

632
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.119
it's gonna be come of getting it
close. So he's like, okay,

633
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.320
yeah, I understand. Well,
I'm going through the whole process. It's

634
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.599
you know, the middle of everyone
and get fired. And so I only

635
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:07.280
got a month and a half.
I'm gonna be off and then I'm gonna

636
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.119
start working again, and this great
salary is actually gonna be like twenty five

637
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.880
thousand dollars more than I make all
of it. Wow. Well, you

638
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.599
know, I'm not really doing much
on social media at the time because I

639
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.719
really I was embarrassed. I didn't
want anybody know because I know I didn't

640
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:28.119
do anything wrong, but I didn't
want How do you use your private life?

641
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:30.440
Yeah, Rona, let me tell
you something. I don't want no

642
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:35.719
one going through all my personal business. I mean, quite frankly, there's

643
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:40.519
nothing to be your private life is
your private life, period, and this

644
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:49.159
woman has had it everything opened up
in her life and it's not fair to

645
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.559
me. To me, I don't
think it's fair. I do not think

646
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.719
it's fair. And so I get
it. I get what you're saying,

647
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.960
and it's a pretty judge people pretty
pre judging it a lot of times.

648
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:05.639
I mean I've had people like basically
just ghost me, run for me,

649
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.960
people who called all the time,
Hey can I get help on this ticket?

650
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:12.719
Hey can you go help my kid
with a flat tire? Can you

651
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:17.320
like all this stuff? And now
I don't get any phone calls. Wow.

652
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:22.880
I you know, I was actually
told by somebody that I really admired

653
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.840
and I was like, hey,
can you hire me? You know,

654
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.559
I'm very good at marketing. I
can go back to you know that aspect.

655
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:37.199
And he's like, well, Ivanna, it would be political suicide if

656
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.760
I hired you, And it just
kind of like threw me back, because

657
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:45.320
like I have come to realize who
my real friends are, you know,

658
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:52.360
and the ones that are actually my
friends now are the ones who actually reached

659
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.079
out to me ever since this happened
and said I know you didn't do that.

660
00:46:54.480 --> 00:47:00.280
I know it's you know bs,
and I'm here for you, you

661
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.119
know, anything you need. And
I've like come to be really good friends

662
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.760
with new people that when everybody else
left, these people are like, hey,

663
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.519
I got your back. I don't
know you, but I got your

664
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:13.599
back well, And that's when that's
how you know who your friends are.

665
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:20.440
When when things are good, anybody
will be have your back and be on

666
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.719
your side. When things are bad
and you're struggling, the ones that are

667
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:29.320
still there are the ones that are
real, right, you know, I

668
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.920
believe that it's been definitely a roller
coaster. And I'm not saying I still

669
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:38.360
don't cry sometimes because I do.
So I started getting on social media because

670
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:43.400
I didn't have anything that was really
hitting off. So the whole job that

671
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.360
I was telling you about, and
April comes around, he's like, oh,

672
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:49.000
well, we're just not ready.
And like I said, I'm still

673
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.119
talking to that guy. He still
says, you know, it's still going

674
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.039
to happen, but we're in July. And so at once April hit and

675
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.039
I wouldn't have a job, I
started like what do I do now?

676
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:01.760
So I went to social media and
I started trying to show people who I

677
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:06.360
really am. You know, and
I would put on social media like how

678
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:10.559
I didn't necessarily believe in citations.
Oh my gosh, you don't even realize

679
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.559
how many people want to argue that, and they're like, well, you

680
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.760
weren't a real trooper, you didn't
do your job. I never said I

681
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:21.599
didn't write citations. I said I
didn't agree with it because I knew where

682
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.039
to go and get five real quick
tickets. Go to the you know,

683
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:28.840
the poor areas. They can't afford
a license, insurance, you know,

684
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.039
tag all of that, right,
they're just trying to make it to the

685
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:37.559
co op to go to work,
make something right. And so I could

686
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.639
go over there, pull one person
over and get five tickets. And so

687
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.679
at the higher control and most of
the time it's five tickets a day.

688
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.920
Keeps the mass sergeant away, right, and so hey, you get two

689
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.280
stops and you get five tickets each, your ten tickets, you're done for

690
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:58.079
the day. Yeah, okay,
I didn't agree with that because my job

691
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:02.800
or my personality is going back to
protecting somebody, serving them right. That

692
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:07.840
is not serving the general public.
Especially whenever if I were to write somebody

693
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:16.119
in a more urban area, more
wealthier section of Mississippi, and you give

694
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.440
them a ticket for speeding because they
were speeding, but they had all their

695
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.400
other stuff in order. They would
call somebody and you would get a phone

696
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.719
call and say, hey, do
you mind helping me on that ticket?

697
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:29.159
Well, of course you're gonna help
them on a ticket, right. So

698
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:30.679
the ones who can afford it,
they never had to pay for it,

699
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.960
and the ones who can't pay for
it, they're in the endless cycle of

700
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.840
having to figure out how to either
pay for food that week or pay off

701
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.079
a ticket. And so I didn't
feel like it was just to do that.

702
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.000
Did I do citations, Yes,
absolutely, but I stuck to primarily

703
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:52.360
speeding, and it was primarily in
Ranking County, And it was only so

704
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.239
if I wrote ten tickets a day, it was ten stops, you know.

705
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.519
And I mean I would do no
proof injure or stuff like that,

706
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.760
but I would always tell the people
like, look, if you go get

707
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.440
insurance, if you go get a
tag, if you go get your license,

708
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.480
as long as the judge is okay
with it, I'll remand all these

709
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:12.559
tickets because all I do is want
you to be road ready, right,

710
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.280
I want you not to get a
ticket by other troopers that are not going

711
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:21.000
to give you that courtesy. So
let me give you this these tickets.

712
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:22.960
You go get your stuff together,
and the ball is in your court,

713
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:27.320
you know. And that's what I
did, and so I try to put

714
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:31.000
on social media that's who I really
am. And then I slowly started getting

715
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.760
into well, I'm no longer with
the highway Patrol. I am a former

716
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.440
state trooper because I didn't want anybody
to assume I was still in law enforcement.

717
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.760
And then I get in trouble for
you know. Yeah. Yeah,

718
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:50.480
So I have been on social media
really since April, and that has been

719
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.920
the only thing that has paid me. Yeah, and you've garnt it.

720
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.599
I have to shout out to you, how many how many TikTok people you

721
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.239
got, like one hundred and twenty
seven thousand? I do. I have

722
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.000
one hundred and twenty seven thousand,
and I think the projection is I should

723
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:12.320
have two hundred thousand by October after
this podcast. You hit that girl because

724
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:16.400
we can link yours TikTok to this
video. And so that's been really sustaining

725
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.960
you. Yes, that's the only
thing wonderful. I have been hustling basically

726
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:28.039
to get anything I can to survive. So I have cut all costs,

727
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:30.159
like as much as possible, all
costs, you know, if I was

728
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.440
paying an extra you know, Apple
bill or something, you know, something

729
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.639
like that, or any type of
subscription or something like that. I have

730
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:43.719
cut everything so that way, I
got the cost of living really low,

731
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.880
so it doesn't cost it's not so
much I have to have to survive,

732
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:52.639
right, So got that as low
as I can. And I mean technically,

733
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.239
yeah, I could go lower.
I could try to sell my house

734
00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:00.239
and move in with my mom and
sell my car and only keep one car

735
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.719
because I have two cars once paid
off ones not so I mean I could

736
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:06.599
do all those. I mean I
could still go lower and not have any

737
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:10.400
bills and still like to you know, keep going. But I also have

738
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:15.960
four kids, you know, I
don't want them being uprooted or change anything.

739
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:21.360
I'm trying to keep everything as normal
as possible because all I have to

740
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:25.119
do is in my mind is to
survive until October, you know, and

741
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:30.840
I actually look for October is the
employee appeal board, gotcha. So I

742
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:35.719
have had all of this that I've
been thinking about, like if I don't

743
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:37.960
have a job, I even looked
at going to law school, went took

744
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:42.440
my l SAT. I've got to
do the writing portion in order to get

745
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:46.360
the score for the l SAT.
But I and I was trying to just

746
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.199
survive until August so I can get
in law school and get a student loan

747
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:52.880
and that would pay for the mortgage. Like I've this is all the stuff

748
00:52:52.880 --> 00:53:00.400
I've been thinking about. And still
I had always wanted to be in AE

749
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.440
And with all of this, I
ended up really having a passion for employment

750
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.800
law, and I wanted to get
my law degree and then eventually get my

751
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:14.599
Masters in employment law, you know, uh. And I wanted to help

752
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.239
other people that were wrongfully terminated like
me. You So it goes back to

753
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:23.440
that whole personality and I just always
want to help, always want to protect.

754
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.559
And I felt like maybe this is
what God was leading me to in

755
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:34.159
a crazy way. But right now, I I don't. Like I said,

756
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.880
I got to do my writing portion
of LSAT and I still got to

757
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.320
do a few things to see if
I can get into law school in August.

758
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:45.239
But I'm still focused on October two
because I have had a couple of

759
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.639
courts or why I've had one,
But throughout this whole process, I will

760
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:52.519
end up having to go through a
couple you know, court dates. Sure,

761
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.880
so I put on social media that
May thirtieth is whenever I had that

762
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:02.519
temporary restraining order court date. And
so May thirtieth comes and she doesn't show

763
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:08.920
up, so and I will never
say her name. And with that court

764
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.719
we actually agreed that we won't say
her name even though her name is public

765
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:15.920
record. What we decided in court
on May thirtieth, we said, you

766
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:20.280
know what, for this federal lawsuit, which I guess we'll get into in

767
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:24.000
just a second, she wanted to
remain anonymous, right, So we're like,

768
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.599
okay, we'll go with you wanting
to remain anonymous, even though you've

769
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.400
already put your name out there and
stuff like that. And honestly, I

770
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:36.480
think, in my opinion, I
think the reason why that was initially done

771
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.960
is because she wanted to put my
name out there because before it wasn't being

772
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.159
reported who I was on these like
you know, gossip columns and the news

773
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:47.920
story and stuff like that. But
when she put my name on a public

774
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.960
document, it's public record, so
then they started reporting who I actually was.

775
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.880
They want to report her because she's
the supposed victim, right, so

776
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:04.159
I have had to bear the burden
of this on my shoulders because nobody nobody

777
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:13.480
says her name, and that's fine. Well daily Mail Saturday, Yeah,

778
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:17.880
but nobody else will, and that's
fine. You know, I honestly think

779
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:22.199
that she just wanted to be rich
and famous from all of this, and

780
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:29.840
or just that's who she is,
and she just wanted to be mean to

781
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:34.840
me. And you know, I
don't ever you never know, like you

782
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.480
were talking about criminal mind and stuff
like that, I don't want to say

783
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.280
she has a criminal mind, but
you never know what somebody's thinking, what

784
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:45.639
is actually going on in their head, And so I will never know why

785
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:50.840
she actually did this. But it
doesn't make any sense that if I really

786
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:54.480
did something criminally to her and I
really heard her, why did she not

787
00:55:54.519 --> 00:56:00.639
go follow a charge? You know? And that's priminal charges here. These

788
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:06.880
are several cases, yeah, these
are just civil and she doesn't even show

789
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.719
up for the temporary restraining order,
but yet she still is going to continue

790
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:15.480
the eleven million dollar lawsuit. You
know, it kind of makes you wonder,

791
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:17.639
like, oh, that looks like
that was your whole intention, is

792
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:23.159
trying to get money. So I
had that court and that's been done and

793
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:28.280
I put on social media. I
don't hide about anything. And and it's

794
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:31.559
all because not only is it good
content, you know, like it's one

795
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:37.760
of those I just have to deal
with it, but it's also I want

796
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:42.119
people to see the other side.
You know. I'm not going to go

797
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:46.079
into detail, like I've already stated, because nobody's going to believe everything,

798
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:51.840
but to put it out there saying, hey, I'm a former state trooper.

799
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:53.719
I'm not going to hide it,
you know. And I know a

800
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:57.400
lot of people are like, you
know, you are crazy. Why are

801
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.519
you on social media talking about this. Most people would like, you know,

802
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:05.559
running high, they would stay low, lay low, going to Yeah,

803
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.280
I got mad respect for that actually, because yeah, most people would.

804
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:15.840
And that's why those things happen,
because people just assume that you're going

805
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:19.199
to be intimidated, that you're going
to go away, that you're just gonna

806
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:24.039
do you know, the the the
juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze for you

807
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:31.840
to fight that out. You ain't
like that, Well, I think they

808
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:37.079
thought I was. I think they
did too, and I surprise them,

809
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.880
you know, But yeah, I'm
just I'm doing stuff on social media.

810
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.639
I've done a modeling gig. I
did a photoshoot for General Lee Replica.

811
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.760
Yes, I saw that I did. I enjoyed that. And then I

812
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.960
do a defensive driving class I have
already. I did one Saturday, and

813
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.119
I got another one coming up and
all that. But that's not Those things

814
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.519
are not every week, they're not
every month. You have a store I

815
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:06.159
do. I have a store that
has been very slow, and unfortunately,

816
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:07.800
I don't know how much longer I'm
going to be able to keep that,

817
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:12.440
to be honest, and it's just
one of those, Oh I know,

818
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.480
and it's just one of those.
Like I had all of this going on,

819
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:21.840
I just move locations to that store
in January. I was transferred out

820
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:25.000
in January. I had to depend
on my manager to kind of help with

821
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:30.119
getting the remodel done at the place
and get our federal firearms license back,

822
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:35.800
and we were hindered from getting our
license back. And I won't go into

823
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.320
too much detail on that one either, but that's something down the road I'll

824
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:44.360
be able to talk about when the
time is right. And it took us

825
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:46.199
all the way until April, the
middle of April to get our license,

826
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:52.320
so we were dead in the water. Yeah, that's any business. I

827
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.119
mean, you got to wait that
long to say your main product, so

828
00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:00.679
to speak. And then it's been
a lot of ups and downs trying to

829
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:07.199
find a good gunsmith to stay and
be reliable, dependable and gun sells.

830
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.239
A lot of people think, oh, you know, guns are six hundred

831
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:15.639
dollars plus, you're making a lot
of money. No margin there. You

832
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:19.599
might a store owner might get one
hundred dollars off of a pistol. Yeah,

833
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:23.559
you know, it's very low margin. It's all volume or you sell.

834
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:27.320
The more money you're to make.
You don't make it per gun really,

835
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.840
unless it's collectible gun or something like
that. So and I did everything

836
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:35.960
at that store is on me,
Like I bought it with my own money.

837
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.280
I didn't get a loan, so
if I had to pack up,

838
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:42.360
it's not I guess the end of
the world. I don't owe anybody or

839
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:45.280
anything. So I just don't know
where I put all this stuff. And

840
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.519
I know it can be successful.
It's just I was about to start looking

841
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.840
for a loan, you know,
so that way I could get more inventory

842
00:59:55.400 --> 01:00:00.719
and not have to be so like
tight with everything. And all of this

843
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:06.519
hit basically and definitely not going to
get along when you don't have a job,

844
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.920
you know. So it has been
very slow, and summertimes slow too,

845
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:14.880
So I've been trying to see if
I can't just make it to August.

846
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:20.480
But to be honest, like with
me having to really struggle with finding

847
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:25.599
a job or really expand with social
media, which social media has been doing

848
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:30.440
really great, but it's and I
feel like it's going to get even better,

849
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:35.079
but right now it's not guaranteed.
And yes I did great last month,

850
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.760
but this month might not be so
well, you know, and I've

851
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:43.239
got to figure everything out. And
I just I can't afford to keep a

852
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:45.599
store going. And the reason why
I was trying to keep the store going

853
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:50.760
and I'm not working there, I
have somebody that I pay. The reason

854
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:55.639
I do that is because he is
He was prior military, and I know

855
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.440
what it's like obviously to not have
a job and to lose something that you

856
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:05.400
enjoy doing, and he enjoys being
up there. I don't want to make

857
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.039
him go through what I have been
through, so I much rather pay him

858
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:13.239
to stay up there and let me
just find something else, you know.

859
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:15.760
And but it's one of those where
eventually it's going to come down to,

860
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:20.800
I can't take bread off my own
table, it give to somebody else.

861
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:27.119
You know. That's and that's the
unfortunate fact or the truth behind being a

862
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:30.840
business owner. You got to make
hard decisions of Unfortunately. Yes, I

863
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:32.440
want to keep him there because he
enjoys being there, but at the end

864
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.559
of the day, I have to
watch out for me and my kids,

865
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.320
That's right. So it's I'm hoping
we don't have to do that. I'm

866
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:44.760
hoping something pops off, you know, and we can continue to grow the

867
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:49.519
business, and I can continue to
grow social media. So I'm just kind

868
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.280
of like doing anything I can to
survive right now. Yeah, and you

869
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:58.519
know you're you've done a great job
with your social for sure. I mean,

870
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:02.039
you built that channel on TikTok.
No easy feat. People think the

871
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:07.960
stuff is easy. Let me tell
you building a podcast, building a TikTok,

872
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:12.000
things like that, they are not
easy. They're not easy. In

873
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:16.599
podcasts, for example, it's a
ninety four percent failuarate now ninety four percent

874
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:20.119
never make a dime, you know, to stay strong. I mean,

875
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:24.480
the horizon is coming, it's you
know, and a lot of questions will

876
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:29.199
be answered at that time. But
You're an inspiration to a lot of people

877
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.480
out there with your strength through all
of this, and I respect that and

878
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:37.559
I think you're pretty awesome person.
Well, thank you. You're welcome,

879
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:42.920
and so thank all of you for
listening. And just quickly before we get

880
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:45.079
out of here. I know it's
crazy, but I got nominated for a

881
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:52.800
People's Choice Podcast Award for Best Storyteller
in a Drama Series. All you have

882
01:02:52.880 --> 01:03:00.360
to do is go to Podcast Awards
dot com and you sign up and you'll

883
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:04.000
go. It'll bring you to another
page. You'll click a drop down arrow

884
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.639
in that category and you will see
exposed scandalous files of the elite. Be

885
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:14.880
totally honored to get your vote on
that. It's the oldest podcast awards in

886
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:20.320
the world, and it is also
the only podcast awards ceremony that goes off

887
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:25.000
of the vote of the people.
It is not a panel that selects the

888
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:30.760
winners. And that's what matters to
me, is that y'all are actually voting

889
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:34.800
for me and choosing me to win
that award, and I just love that,

890
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:39.480
love all of you. Check out
Patreon if you haven't had the opportunity.

891
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:45.280
We have a lot of stuff on
their bonus episodes, we have early

892
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:51.000
commercial free releases and all kinds of
all sorts of things that you can get,

893
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:57.320
and it supports the show. And
look, without those Patreon members,

894
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:00.440
I wouldn't be here, there's no
doubt about it. Shows just too expensive

895
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.559
to run. So thank you very
much for that, and until next time,

896
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:10.280
I'm Jim Chapman, your host of
Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite.

897
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:11.559
Much love,