Sept. 17, 2024

"Murdaugh" Episode Three | The Kennels

"Murdaugh" Episode Three | The Kennels

In this episode of Exposed, Scandalous Files of the Elite, “Murdaugh” Series Part 3,  Jim Chapman explores the chilling details of the murders of Paul and Maggie Murdaugh as police arrive on the scene of the Moselle Kennels. Analyzing Deputy Green's...

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In this episode of Exposed, Scandalous Files of the Elite, “Murdaugh” Series Part 3, Jim Chapman explores the chilling details of the murders of Paul and Maggie Murdaugh as police arrive on the scene of the Moselle Kennels. Analyzing Deputy Green's body cam footage,
Jim focuses on several inconsistencies in Alex Murdaugh's narrative that raise suspicions about his involvement.

Timestamps
00:19 Intro “Murdaugh” Episode Three
16:00 Investigation of the Kennels
22:48 The Crime Scene Unfolds
30:35 The Aftermath
42:01 Detectives Interview Murdaugh in Unmarked Car
01:27:55 Seeking the Truth through Murdaugh's Lies

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On June seventh of twenty twenty one, at ten to

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eleven PM, Dispatch alerts Cullington County Sheriff's Deputy Daniel Greene

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of a nine to one one call from the expanse

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of Mosaille property in which two people were shot impossibly dead.

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As Deputy green pulls into the kinnilary of the property,

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a frantic Alex Murdall approaches him just as he steps

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out of his unit, already mentioning a motive for the

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shootings that resulted in his wife and sons execution style murders.

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Deputy Green and several others from the local Sheriff's office

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begins securing the scene and logging evidence. Shortly thereafter, Alex

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Murdall is brought to an unmarked unit of sled Detective

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David Owens and local police detective Laura Rutland as they

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interview Alex on the scene and get alex account of

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what happened that night. What Alex Murdall says raises more

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questions than answers and launches one of the largest investigations

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in United States history ever performed on a private citizen.

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In an effort to get to the truth Welcome to

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Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. Murdall Part three. The Kennels.

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Expose Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman. And the

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last time we left you, it was immediately following the

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nine one one call made by Alex mrdall and police

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were sent to the scene. And now we're back with

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part three of this series. So just really quickly before

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we get into today's episode, I want to shout out

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miss Jan Petravelli, who is our newest Global Celebrity member. Welcome, Welcome,

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Miss Jan to the Global Celebrity team. And as I mentioned,

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we left you last during that nine one one call

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that Alex mrdall placed after he discovered his wife Maggie

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and his son Paul shot dead at the Kennels. Now

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I do have that full transcript of that call, and

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there were a few things that bother me that I

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want to discuss in particular. First, in that call, at

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the thirty three second point, the dispatcher asked Alec Mardau, Okay,

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how did they shoot? Did they shoot themselves? And Alex's

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reply to that was oh no, hell no. Well, how

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would he know that? Just right off the bat like that?

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Y'all?

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He answered the question so fast, and he really seemed

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so sure of himself. I mean, yeah, when he stopped

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and thought about it, maybe he would have answered that way.

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But I mean, he just walked in, had no time

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to process anything, just walked into that scene. And his

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son's brain is literally blown out of his head. His

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wife shot, she's lying on the ground. How can you

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answer that so definitively? Remember this is supposedly within a

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minute or two of him discovering their bodies, And that

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dispatcher asked, did they shoot themselves? And right off the bat?

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Oh no, hell no. Just seems strange to me. Then

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at one minute, in fifteen seconds of the phone call,

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the dispatcher asked, okay, where where is he shot at?

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And she was referring to Paul, and mrdall states, ma'am,

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I don't know, but he has blood everywhere. I see

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his brain. I can see his brain. Then he continued

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with she's face down. I tried to turn her over

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a little bit, but she's got a hole in her head.

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And that made me wonder, is he trying to establish

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why his DNA would be on her and be on Paul,

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thinking ahead maybe and wanted to make sure that that

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was on recording, because of course he knew these nine

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one one calls are recorded. I mean, he's a lawyer.

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It's possible. Then at the five minute and twenty four

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second point, he states, my son had a boat wreck.

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He's been threatened for moss and moss and moss, he's

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been hit several times, and I'm sure and then his

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sentence kind of trails off at that point and it's inaudible.

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But my question is was he making his first attempt

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to point the finger away from himself. Seems like a

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strange time to be hypothesizing about who may have done this.

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I mean, the police are not even on the scene

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yet and you're offering up suspects. Then at eight minutes

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and seven seconds that call, he says I already touched them,

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trying to get a to see if they're breathing. And

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I'm assuming he was going to say trying to get

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a pulse. Now again reiterating you're gonna find my DNA

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all over them and myself. Is that possible? I think so.

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So the police were dispatched and an officer gets sent

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to the scene, and the first officer to arrive at

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that scene was Collington County Deputy Daniel Green. Now, fortunately

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Deputy Green had his body cam active and I have

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the full footage for you. Now, there are some spots

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in this that you're not gonna hear anything but walking around.

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There's nobody talking at that point, and there's some spots

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where you'll hear Deputy Green very clear, but the other

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officers that he's talking to, they're not as clear. They're

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you know, a few feet away from him or whatever.

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And this is being picked up by a bodycam, So

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just bear with me on it. But it's very important

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that you listen to this in full because this tells

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a story, y'all. So here it is what it sounded

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like that night June seventh, twenty twenty one, Deputy Green

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pulled up and approached Alex Murdall at the kennels and here's.

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That central sun and southern seen and secured had a

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whiskey clocks whiskey mic, both of gunshot wounds to the head.

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Sir, I would just let you know because of the

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scene I do. I did go get a.

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Gun and bring it down here in your vehicle. I

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just have any guns on.

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You and lean it up against the side of my car.

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You're fine, man, you're fine. Turn around for me. I

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don't have any Okay, yes, sir, I see that. Okay,

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this is your wife and son.

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Okay, it's a bad it's bad to check the pullets.

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This is the firearm you brought from inside the house.

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Yes, sir, I want to get This is a long story.

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My son was in a boat wreck. Once back, he's

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been getting threats. Most of it has been benign stuff

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we didn't take serious. You know, he's been getting like punched,

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I know, thated somebody.

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I know that's what it is.

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Okay, when did you get home right when you called?

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Or did you go to the house first? Where is

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the house?

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I came to the house first.

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My mom has late stages Alzheimer's and my dad is

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in the hospital.

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I left. I don't know what time. I can go

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back on my phone and tell you the exact times.

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Did you check did I check on?

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Did you check them that?

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We got medical guys that are that's that's that's what

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they're gonna do. Okay, what are they doing?

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Can they hurry?

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They are?

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Yes, sir, that that gentleman that was out here already,

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he's one of the battalion chiefs. Okay, how did you

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call up from back there?

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And I went to the house and they weren't home,

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which was odd. I tried to call and then I

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knew they had been down here before I left to

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go to my mom. So that is loaded. You might

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want to unload it.

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But is this the only firearm with this is the

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only one or is there any more in the truck?

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I believe that's it.

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You think that's the only one. You normally have any

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other firearms in your vehicle?

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I don't, but occasionally there occasionally there's a pistol in there.

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Just wait right here for me for a second, okay.

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C six five three outs.

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H enjoy it, sir said, Well, I've already spoken with

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Captain Neil. He's got crime scene, he's contact with them,

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and he's also got you see, assistance of a couple

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of field agencies.

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All right that I'll be checking there.

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Damn.

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Now they are dead, yes, sir, that's what that's what

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it looks, all right.

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Yeah, the police are here. Now, the police are here

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now mm hmm.

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How far a minute?

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Yeah, there's my brother.

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Okay. When was the last time you were here with

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them or talk to them or anything like that.

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It was earlier tonight. I don't know the exact time,

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but I left.

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I was probably gone an hour and a half for

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my mom's and I saw them about forty five minutes

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before that.

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Okay.

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I rode around with Paul for two hours this afternoon

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in the pickup truck.

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That's okay.

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Somebody going to check them, Yes.

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Sir, they've already checked them.

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They did check them.

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That's a subsision that they're dead.

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Yes, sir, that's what it looked like.

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I'm sorry, I'm very sorry.

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I gotta call her.

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What's what's her name?

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Her name is Maggie Murder, Margaret Brandstatter Murdoch. How you doing?

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What's her birthday?

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Nine fifteen sixty eight?

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Okay? And what's your son's first name? You said, Paul,

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Paul Harry Murdoch, and what's his birthday?

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Comes down?

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And could stop and pick up that tense? I see

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whiting all thing to do?

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What are they covering them up?

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I got something getting dressed now?

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Sure?

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If I have somebody's topic.

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For tell them they don't have to do that. They

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don't need to preserve what we can.

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Thinks five three birth it out. I'm in town.

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Actually tried to be the all day because he don't.

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We only want to shout there gotty.

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April fourteenth, m nineteen ninety nine.

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Sir, put it up as wide as you can. Yeah,

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that's fine, we said, ninety nine. Sure he was born

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in ninety nine.

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He's born in April fourteenth, eighteen ninety nine.

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What's your what's your first name?

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Sir?

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My name is alex Richard Alexander.

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Murdoch Richard, Alexander Murdac. No, hey, you garn up Cody,

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come around the truck and then go to the building.

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Come around the truck and then.

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Instead of it's also benind the trailer there.

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Yes, I don't know if it's from what's happens.

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The little the footprints man the trader there too.

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Okay, that's how the counts stood on this.

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Here sip over you in about thirty fire.

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The nates could be a lay on the end of

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grabbing a t h.

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Yeah, just go over to that corner of the building.

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Tell I'm almost three. You let me see what. Oh

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we help person, whether or not we all handle that

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for it or not.

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I see quite a few tire tracks in here. Any

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of these you going in and out?

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No, I came in here and I left one time

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and I came back.

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Okay, um hmm.

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The rest of them maybe.

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From earlier, but okay, only two are I did you

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go out.

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This way at all?

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It leaves right.

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M hm.

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Hey, hey, stay stairs stairs there. I got a whole

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bunch of stuff right there. I don't want to stir well, no,

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that's Thaven borders. Would you kind of get around that way?

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Your best way is probably going to be back through

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those rocks because we can't get any tracks off. We'll

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go back around the little religious screen. Thank you?

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Hey, shape do you have?

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Yes?

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Okay, I'll get that a little bit now.

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Well, unit's twenty three on the mosaic. I'll seventy unit

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all scene. Are you behind the house.

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There's several of us out here. There's a long dirt

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driveway right next to the mailboxes. Four one, four seven,

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and we'll see all our lights down here at this shed.

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Thing.

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You ain't comfort for it?

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Calling?

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Maybe oh.

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Nothing, and I don't hear it out on myself?

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Heard heard.

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M l A six three nful SADDI.

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Yeah, look at the show games.

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Yeah, we're black.

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What was it here? You're I think his brother he

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said he was calling somebody, So is it what said

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he was calling somebody? The things rolling up and yeah,

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chery bouscas, couple of showcasings right there. Yeah, those will

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be easy to find. I was just walking a couple

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of little worlds in the ground.

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It might be harder to see at some point.

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Mm hmm.

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You're all familiar with this family, Yes.

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I wasn't until he told us murder.

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Hand.

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I don't anything else. I think there's no menu things.

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But what was that? So that's a.

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You said for EVO to do?

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Ye?

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Yes, okay, watch for faith, watch the Steven.

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Mark.

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We have to run?

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Yeah so okay, um hmm.

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Actually want on being rocked?

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Love del Road?

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Who actually.

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The gentleman in the white shirt is the husband of

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her father him That is Paul Murdot. That's just his mother.

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Paul Murdot was that guy in the boating accident from

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a while back, if you remember.

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Yeah, yeah, plus.

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And yeah he say like.

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Most like them. He did have a fire arm whenever

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I pulled up, it's a shotgun. It's been secured in

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my vehicle.

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Mm hmm, there's three in our blackout.

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What happened?

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When you get a chance to get this, you will

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have to give me just a few minutes, but yes

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I will.

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I couldn't then further away from these poles.

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Yeah, who can start a log for you?

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Who's the most expendable that can start a log?

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Let's put it that this is okay, you start a

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crime scene log?

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Please?

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Since we a log.

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Started, sleds on the way, let's push can we run

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to take.

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From to that last paper?

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Sorry names and times you don't have any kind of paper.

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I'll have a.

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Wanna be take here, borrow that.

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If we can push it from then pull to that pole.

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Sure hm I do see something? Yeah that look old

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or fresh?

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Did work?

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Oh yes, I'll.

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Just hold the blight freeze go away to that faery.

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It'll be like money. Let's just keep our fingers cromsed Yah.

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Yeah, I think you.

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Guys, because three all responding you this to Moseille Rose

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stop outso road. No one else come down the third

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Rose stop out the road.

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It's Russ probably doing that. It could sick them on

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ninety five mm hm hmmm.

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Jobby h what's the other way up here from back

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in that way? I guess where the house is? I guess?

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Okay for the most referring to the whiskey, my walk left,

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you walk for a kN firms? Do we have anything else?

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Mm hmm here you go?

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H gotty.

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Two thousand people nights. Correct, I have the time to

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say I have a new path. It's just in the

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back side of all the papers. All the front side

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of the paper has names enough for next moment.

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Well, you can borrow mine for mine. It's perfectly fine, Cody.

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Stay doing that.

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I just didn't want you to like we're doing doing

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the didn't? Okay? For calls? Do you not have any

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crime seeing log sheets?

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Hey?

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Seven one seven? I was asked to give you guys

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a call.

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Have any of the.

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Hi?

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Okay, okay, wo. I will inquire and I'll get back

328
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to you. Okay, Yeah, all right, I'll find out and

329
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give you a call back. Yep, I'll find out from

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him and give you a call back.

331
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Yeah, I thought, but here, I'm sorry. I'm proud of

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I got some lady. Jad you want to close that

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in sir? Was that you want to close?

334
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You?

335
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Still?

336
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They die?

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I don't know if you wanted what the other diaman?

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You remember, Eric, Liz, just a caller.

339
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There's a guy over here.

340
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Just want to talk to him, but don't even know

341
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who Eric is. Alex Okay, there's a guy where he

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wants to talk to him.

343
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Yeah, but I don't know if you want me to

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tell him that, if you want me to just chilling

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in it, of course, if you want me to escort him.

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Note, he does not need to walk over the way.

347
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He does not need to go over there to stay.

348
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Who can.

349
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Got you to?

350
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I don't have the caller and the caller his brother's name,

351
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and so I don't know the names yet, but I

352
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can't get it.

353
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But in there, uh, I don't know where you were at.

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I was just found the first in the page up

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and find female victim, male victim, male caller and then

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the other guy though, I mean he hasn't came into

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have to take you and don't have to worry about here.

358
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Just make sure you get the.

359
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Fiut of me and you all the stuff.

360
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Be good?

361
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Is that what you're about to talk?

362
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Yes?

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I came on seeing the twenty two twenty six twenty

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two one? Is it?

365
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Yes?

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And whoever U twenty one is with fire rescue. Just

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write you twenty one fire rescue you twenty one yep.

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And then how was the same time as you he

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came on scene? Yeah, same times and he's fine. Medic

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eighteen at twenty two to twenty seven seventy five eight

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on scene twenty two thirty same time as you six

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five three on scene at twenty two thirty nine twenty

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two thirty nine.

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Yep.

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Yeah, yeah, that's all I have as far as times

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on this goes.

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Entral probby when you clear, I have a call on

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Majestical of the suspicious vehicle probate or is that located

379
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there's two two three Majestica. Wait, it's not as well

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said for there's a collage build unit that can I sist.

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And i'd been great prest from Majestic there it's became

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her cockup.

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I believe that's not out there.

384
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I'll take care of that.

385
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List.

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That's what I like.

387
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It's not it's nobody, missus people.

388
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I'm trying to get information. It's a great travel leader.

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The correction correction, because I know what type of vehicle

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she has. A great trip leader, hold her and lost

391
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her she thinks she can only see the tail light

392
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for the vehicle.

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She's also going to use a.

394
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Cool mm hmm, it happened about.

395
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Whom so just scare of warming there again?

396
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But then popular, So what do you.

397
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You got?

398
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Well, get her.

399
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Theme up.

400
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We're gonna discuss it later and find out. Okay, so

401
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I'll make sure I didn't miss objectle Nope, what's you go?

402
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.680
Just be better for FI and that I feel like that.

403
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Was used to clean the walm out.

404
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Side of he got like he took off the from well,

405
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the desk over there.

406
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What people just want to fire rescue might have some

407
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more sheets steal.

408
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That's why it should be about five areas.

409
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His walt A bad day.

410
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You keep laying and slaying on the broom, got them

411
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on the fuzzy How think you know? Feather down three

412
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on the black I remember there, not less.

413
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It's the shortest thing on the black house seven the lane.

414
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I don't think he put that bomb down, hollered. I

415
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haven't asked the dad about the phone, but his dad

416
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did say he came over and checked their pulses. Beyond that,

417
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I don't know what else he may have been.

418
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Yeah, I see that's you know, but did Dad, have

419
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you picked the gun up?

420
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Did he have a shot building? He did have a

421
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shotgun with him. I have secured that in my vehicle.

422
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They upwards.

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He has a.

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Water blame blame glory.

425
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Yeah, but that's.

426
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H oh, that's a lot really.

427
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Yep.

428
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So I've got multiple gun shots out of that window.

429
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To you, do we see a show at least three shelves.

430
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Thereby?

431
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Yes, you and and out times of just times a

432
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h It's like if they exit multiple times and come

433
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back here, you don't need to keep doing all that

434
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correct hold on to make very good four yeah, sure, yeh.

435
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About yeah, just so.

436
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You know, I've got at least five holes in the

437
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window in the back of that shed. We're around for

438
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exiting out me back that.

439
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Way, which is gonna be about god because and then

440
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I'm watting on the fact.

441
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It is currently in my pig all right, because yeah, I.

442
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Think game but roll make your website, that's the go

443
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:24.000
about that.

444
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.199
Yeah, I'm maybe slide the more computing now if that

445
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:55.079
able suicide? How many pellets are normally in a buckshop?

446
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.679
It's ten brow.

447
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Breathing asked, just because the holes that are in that

448
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:10.159
window very large glass, some of them larger. Something they

449
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.719
hold it you need it in the word or something.

450
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.000
There's a whole bunch of trees back there, so they

451
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might be able to find something in a tree.

452
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I don't know what are they think of that?

453
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:27.480
Well, no fluid, but he had he had shotgun but yeah,

454
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turn it but basically not his actuals don't even.

455
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Shot enough.

456
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Maybe with shotgun one l.

457
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Before appreciated that would point to suicide.

458
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That doesn't be twain her for all the free.

459
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So he got here shotgun? Yeah, ye outline, he's on

460
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the d of that.

461
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And there a dozen showcases.

462
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From free on blackouts.

463
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:23.239
Is there a casing under this or that? Just chilling there? Okay,

464
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:29.519
that's just chilling there. That's just trash. I was fast,

465
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.000
It's okay, I got it. Okay, appreciate you chat. Those

466
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:37.320
over there are not correct. I think this is where

467
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thirty five if youd thow that back together because the

468
00:38:39.719 --> 00:39:01.840
nature there gotcha cent okay, welcome back to night shift.

469
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:15.039
H oh wish that the mother you spelling me up?

470
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I have to bury a child and done a child

471
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and a wife.

472
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.639
Good talker Faierry and Jackson Road.

473
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I'm gonna clear up.

474
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People don't think.

475
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Trunk in the.

476
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Anyone around the vehicle. I'll be able after the church,

477
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the first road on the right, and.

478
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Then, yes, sir, you shocked and DJ it is currently

479
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in the passengers. That's exactly where you're staying. I was

480
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.039
leaning up against the truck right there when I I

481
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:05.079
grabbed it. Okay, I haven't even touched it. The well

482
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:06.800
that's kind of fully loaded, still sitting there.

483
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.880
That'd be great, have a long idea, yeah.

484
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To get out before us fires.

485
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.599
I just want to check your c ide and make

486
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answer something or what are they doing.

487
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:20.760
I'm not sure what.

488
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:37.960
You really don't need any more rescue unless landy that

489
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I don't know that.

490
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I believe it was because he said he was calling

491
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his brother.

492
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.400
Mm hmm, well real.

493
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.519
We talked as I turning down the two.

494
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:55.639
It's a little partner.

495
00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:03.159
There's something's there's something in that.

496
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:28.239
This thing.

497
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:29.679
Give me the ed Jackie.

498
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:35.079
Yeah, yeah, talk about so we're here fully on that. Okay,

499
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:04.840
you listened nine ten and eleven? Yeah, yeah, that's right.

500
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:40.280
Okay, do you need me to lit the sheet at

501
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.119
all so you can see closer to her body?

502
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:44.639
How old?

503
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.519
How old Cody's got? My uh notebook where I had

504
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.320
her date of birth in there. I don't remember what

505
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.719
the guy told me off the top of my head,

506
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.679
but I think somewhere around mid Fouries, I think.

507
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:07.079
Augustine.

508
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.840
Mm hmm h.

509
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.079
I don't tell you the baby that's well, I know

510
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.360
it's okay.

511
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.440
Yes, I heard of what that out here of that.

512
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.320
Ship where did it look like she was her ding?

513
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.480
Her head look like and shot locked the down that

514
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:53.400
I couldn't tell was a big old hole coming out

515
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.519
in the back of her head and hair all over

516
00:43:57.559 --> 00:43:59.480
the place, so it looks like it probably went in

517
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.840
and then came out. And his looked more like the

518
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:05.760
top of his head.

519
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.440
There's around on him, had a big wad in on

520
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:09.719
the sip. It was a shotgun.

521
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:12.440
I mean, there's a whole bunch of three hundred or

522
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.320
two three hundred blackout shellcasing. Is there three of them

523
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.760
right there? And then inside is a shotgun wadding. But

524
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.920
we did not see a shotgun show anyway, which almost

525
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.679
lead you'm looking you put in your truck. I believe

526
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.880
it's twelve games. No, no, but I don't under a plump.

527
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.039
It may still be a gentleman.

528
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:40.320
Yeah, that would answered the question was.

529
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:44.000
I didn't look super closely at it. I was more

530
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.519
concerned with getting it away from him. And if you can,

531
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.719
if we stretched out be does it went in here?

532
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:51.920
It took everything out on the top with a pump shotgun.

533
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.239
He's got I guess he failed. But he's both of

534
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:58.760
his hands will laying the underneath his when he fell forward,

535
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.000
which makes sense. He's reached to it's got to reach

536
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:05.039
down to do that. Yeah, because you have told right

537
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:06.719
there that very first one with the blue light is

538
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:08.880
it's in the end.

539
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.199
It's like.

540
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:28.199
This, this is front one right here. Mm hmm. The

541
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:46.360
wine is right there. Hello, It's not a bump all the.

542
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.760
But there there.

543
00:45:52.840 --> 00:46:00.440
Yeah, it did have some there on the barren up

544
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:10.800
shot mm hmm. Right, it wasn't a pump. I thought

545
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.480
it was. This automatically.

546
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:17.159
Got one on them to Ryn.

547
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.400
So let's talk about this for a minute, and I'm

548
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:24.639
gonna give you several points of this bodycam footage that

549
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:30.559
I found strange, to say the least. First, as soon

550
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.440
as Deputy Green arrives on scene, the very first thing

551
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:43.880
that murderal brings up is what the boat wreck establishing motive? Right,

552
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.719
you also heard how detailed he was as it relates

553
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.920
to what he was doing prior to finding his wife

554
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:57.280
and son Dad. And it bothered me because it seemed

555
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:01.119
too detailed, and that must seem rehearsed. I mean, I

556
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.599
can't tell you my movements from yesterday in that much detail,

557
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:12.039
much less when something this dramatic has occurred. Think about it.

558
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.519
He also asked Deputy Green several times if they were dead,

559
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.000
the second time saying and I quote, so is it

560
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.199
official they are dead?

561
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:25.679
Now?

562
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.800
While I can understand him asking the question, I can't

563
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.559
help but think how strange it is for him to

564
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:38.519
use the term it's official. Remember this, folks, if he

565
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.400
were the one that shot them both, he would know

566
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:48.360
that if either of them actually lived, he could be identified.

567
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.840
So was this question out of concern for them or

568
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.840
concern for himself? I'll let you think about that as

569
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:01.119
we move on. He also seemed to process the whole

570
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:07.320
situation really well, considering I mean, much of the conversation

571
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.519
was pretty calm, and when he did have outburst, they

572
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:15.639
seemed almost forced. And the video version, which I'm gonna

573
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.280
upload for the Patreon supporters, you're gonna see that he cries,

574
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.000
but there's no tears. He sniffs, but there's not really

575
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:29.000
any snot right. That's important to note in my view.

576
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.159
It was also very strange to me that he left

577
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:35.639
and got his gun and then went back to the scene.

578
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.400
Now his concern certainly makes sense. You walk up two

579
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.960
people are dead family members, your wife and son for

580
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.480
that matter. Maybe you're fearing for your life, and you

581
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.159
go get a gun. I don't know, but it just

582
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:52.159
seemed off to me. I just can't imagine leaving my

583
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.440
wife and son to go retrieve a gun from my house,

584
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.000
which you have to remember, it's a good little track

585
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:00.880
away from where he's at. He had to get in

586
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.599
his truck and go back to his house and then

587
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.599
drive back to the scene with the gun. Another thing

588
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.920
was when the police grouped together while working that scene.

589
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:15.920
If you listen to the full bodycam footage, the most

590
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.440
eery thing that I heard on that clip was when

591
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.920
we'll call him Cop number one, He says to Cop

592
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:29.960
number two, are y'all familiar with the family, and Cop

593
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.760
number two says, I wasn't until I heard the names,

594
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:38.719
and then Cop number one responds, what's the name? And

595
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:43.760
Cop number two says murdoal and Cop number one just

596
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:50.440
shuts the fuck up and walks off with a holy shit. Look.

597
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:56.719
Now that again speaks to the influence of this family.

598
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.760
So I did get kind of a good laugh when

599
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:03.239
the group of local cops, and there were many on

600
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:06.519
the scene, they found out SLED was on the way.

601
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:10.480
And y'all, you're gonna hear the term SLED throughout this series,

602
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.960
so it's important to note SLED stands for a South

603
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:19.719
Carolina law enforcement division. It's basically South Carolina's version of

604
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.679
the state police in most states. So they find out

605
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:26.119
SLED is on the way, and one cop says time

606
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:28.960
to run the tape, and someone grab a piece of

607
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:33.000
paper and start writing names and times. They knew they

608
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.440
didn't want to fuck this one up right, Sled's on

609
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:40.199
the way. So I will say that throughout this bodycam footage,

610
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.320
I was impressed with the local police. They did a

611
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:47.320
great job of securing the scene, asking questions. They were

612
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.960
really total pros. You heard them walking around. They were

613
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:55.519
looking for tire tracks, spent shell casings, and really other

614
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.000
pieces of key evidence. So they did a great job

615
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:06.480
vastly on that. They noticed two really big key pieces

616
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:11.559
of evidence. First, they spent some time noticing that the

617
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:16.079
blood inside the kennel where Paul was shot, a lot

618
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.559
of that spatter was on the ceiling, and his body

619
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:24.320
was found with his arms tucked under his abs. One

620
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.880
cop even said it would point to suicide because he

621
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.800
would have to put the gun below him and fire upward,

622
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.639
So we'd explain in that CoP's mind why his arms

623
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:42.599
were tucked underneath his abs. But one problem with that theory,

624
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:47.320
there were no guns at the scene. If you commit suicide,

625
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.000
the gun's always going to be lying next to the body, right.

626
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.639
It is not going to grow legs and just walk away.

627
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.480
So that was nothing more than a fleeting thought to

628
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:01.119
be sure, based on the evidence with that blood spatter

629
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.880
being on the ceiling. But that would come up later

630
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.639
and be a big part of this case, so stay

631
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.719
tuned for that. They also noticed something else very strange,

632
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:17.639
and that was the shellcasings found next to Paul and

633
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.239
the shellcasings found next to his mom, Maggie were different.

634
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:28.480
Paul was shot with a shotgun, Maggie was shot with

635
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:32.800
a rifle, a three hundred blackout to be exact, which, y'all,

636
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.519
that's a serious rifle that that uses a seven point

637
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.119
six y two millimeter bullet. It does a lot of damage.

638
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:50.360
Now right off, you find different caliber shellcasings. What's that

639
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.800
automatically point to in your mind? Two shooters?

640
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:54.039
Right?

641
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.639
I mean, who kills two people in quick order, Minji

642
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:03.800
with two separate guns by themselves? I would imagine it's

643
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.320
a pretty low percentage of all crimes where murder is

644
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:12.760
involved with one person, So keep that in mind. So

645
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.159
they secure the scene, they're gathering evidence. In the meantime,

646
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:20.639
his personal lawyer and friend, Danny Henderson, he shows up

647
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:25.480
and right there at the scene, two detectives interview Alex

648
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:29.519
in their unmarking in it. So you have four people

649
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:34.000
in this vehicle on the scene. That night, two detectives

650
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:40.519
sleds David Owen in Collington County Sheriff's Office, Detective lor Rutland,

651
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:47.639
Alex Murdall, and Alex Murdall's personal lawyer. Here's that interview

652
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:49.639
that same night.

653
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.920
All right, sir, I left the house without my watching.

654
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:02.440
Called fifty seven.

655
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:14.480
Sorry, mister Murdock.

656
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.400
Just take your full name for him, please, Richard Alexander Murdick.

657
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:26.400
Uh fans fail your last name, so I'll get it correct.

658
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.800
M You r d A U g h.

659
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:38.199
All right, and you go by Alec yes, sir, and

660
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:39.920
date of birth mister Murdock.

661
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:46.519
May twenty seven, nineteen sixty eight, Ilana coach soul number

662
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:51.960
for you eight zero three nine four two one two

663
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:52.639
two seven.

664
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:03.960
And so what was your name? Yeah, Danny Henderson. Okay,

665
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.960
all right, As I stated, I'm David Owen and Lord

666
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:21.440
Rutland with Colinton County, and I'm gonna slid. I hate

667
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:22.000
to have to do this.

668
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.800
I understand. I totally understand, So you don't.

669
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:25.559
You don't.

670
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:29.360
Have any problem with it, So.

671
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.000
Just start the top. Take your time.

672
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:38.679
Like when I came back here, I mean, I pulled

673
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.280
up and I could see him, and you know, I

674
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:44.400
knew something was bad. I ran out. I knew it

675
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:49.119
was really bad. Mhm my my boy over there.

676
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.199
I could see it was.

677
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:01.679
Hm hm hm.

678
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:12.800
M m hmm sorry, and I could see his brain on.

679
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:24.480
Mm hmmm h.

680
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:26.000
H.

681
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:31.199
And I ran over to Maggie and actually I think

682
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:37.880
I tried to turn Paul over first. Uh, you know,

683
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.880
I tried to turn him over and uh, I don't know.

684
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:45.679
I figured it out. His cell phone popped out of

685
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:49.920
his pocket. I started to try to do something with it,

686
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:53.800
thinking maybe, but then I put it back down really quickly.

687
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.800
Then I went to my wife and I, I mean

688
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:00.519
I could see.

689
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:08.679
Did you touch Maggie at all?

690
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.679
I did? I touched them both. I tried to take

691
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.039
I mean I tried to do it as limited as possible,

692
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:19.440
but I try to take their paults on both of them.

693
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.119
And you know, I called nine one one pretty much

694
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:32.599
right away, and she was very good.

695
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:40.079
I talked to her.

696
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:42.599
I told her I was going to get off the

697
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:49.440
phone to call some family. I did that, and.

698
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.440
I'm family members. Did you call him?

699
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:59.599
I called my brother Randy, and I called my brother John,

700
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.599
and I tried to call the little boy, real good

701
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.639
friend just right around the corner from here, but I

702
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:10.480
didn't get him.

703
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:22.239
What all was around Paul when he walked up? Blood,

704
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.280
any any other anything else?

705
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.639
I mean there was somebody things, yes, sir, I.

706
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.199
Mean like any other evidence. I know you said the

707
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.199
phone fell out the pocket, But did you see anything

708
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:40.280
else that didn't belong or shouldn't belonger that wasn't part

709
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:45.039
of Paul, No, sir, not no, not.

710
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:48.400
No, sir.

711
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:52.639
How about Maggie? No, sir, you didn't see anything around them?

712
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:57.920
What made you come out here tonight.

713
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:03.079
I went to my mom's the late stage Alls Hormer's patient.

714
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:08.280
My dad's in the hospital. My mom gets anxious when

715
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.480
she does. I went to check on them and Maggie.

716
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.400
Maggie's a dog lover. She fools with the dogs, and

717
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:19.440
I knew she'd gone to the keuntal I was at

718
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.559
the house. I left the house and went to my

719
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:28.400
mom's well just a little while. Tried to call her

720
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:40.639
when I left, texted her no response. When I got

721
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.000
back to the house, the house was obviously nobody was

722
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.719
in there, so I figured they're still up here fooling around.

723
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:51.119
Paul's gonna be getting set up to plant or some

724
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:55.679
flower seeds got sprayed and died, and he was refiguring

725
00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:00.039
to do to plant the some flower seeds. So I

726
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.079
came back up here, and I drove up and saw

727
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:08.280
man called.

728
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.639
Had Maggie and Paul been arguing over anything? What was

729
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:20.679
their relationship like?

730
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:21.440
Wonderful?

731
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.880
Wonderful? How about yours and Maggie's wonderful?

732
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:28.519
I mean, I'm sure we had little things here and there,

733
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:31.159
but we had a wonderful marriage, wonderful relationship.

734
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:34.800
Then yours and Paul's relationship.

735
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:35.920
As good as it could be.

736
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:40.199
How was Paul.

737
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:42.800
Twenty two?

738
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.079
Okay, do you know his state of birth?

739
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.679
I do. April eleven ninety six is his brother's, April fourteenth,

740
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:54.760
ninety nine is Paul's.

741
01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:57.159
About.

742
01:00:57.280 --> 01:00:58.440
What's Maggie's full name?

743
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:06.159
Margaret brand Statter Murdoch.

744
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:09.239
Her data bursa.

745
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.079
September fifteenth, nineteen sixty eight.

746
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.559
Have y'all been having any problems out here? Trespassers?

747
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:31.719
None, None that I know of. The only thing that

748
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.440
what comes to my mind is my son, Paul was

749
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:38.280
in a boat wreck a couple of years ago, and

750
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:43.360
there's been a you know, he was charged with being

751
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.719
arrested for being a driver. There's been a lot of

752
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.360
negative publicity about that, and there's been a lot of

753
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:55.519
people online just really vile stuff. But when Paul's out

754
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.360
and about, I mean people routinely, I don't think I

755
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.559
know the full story because I don't think they give

756
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:06.800
it to me. But I mean he's been punched and

757
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.719
hit and just attacked a lot, so.

758
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:15.159
You know, but I mean, nothing like this, Yeah, any

759
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.519
any one person in particular or a group of people

760
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:25.280
I know that you could think of, not that I know,

761
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:29.440
No sir, has he, other than being assaulted, has he

762
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:33.079
received any direct threats related to the boat accident?

763
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:33.599
Oh?

764
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:40.639
Yes, all the time, Yes, sir. I mean he gets

765
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:44.960
them all the time. He gets them all the time. Hm,

766
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:49.440
what kind of I mean, I'm gonna kick your ass?

767
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:56.039
You know, I've never been privy firsthand?

768
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:56.679
You know?

769
01:02:58.760 --> 01:02:59.920
Is that through social media?

770
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:00.880
No, ma'am.

771
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.719
It's mostly like if he goes out places is what

772
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:10.000
you know? What he goes out like somewhere he's in college,

773
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:14.159
he goes out is what I understand. And I can

774
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.960
find out better details from some of his younger friends

775
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:31.119
on that. His best friend in Colombia is Will's Chaplin,

776
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:40.519
Will Loving, Bobby Boyle, Bobby Ball, Will Chapman and Paul

777
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:46.079
were getting ready to move into a house together in Colombia.

778
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:50.880
You said, Will Chapman and Will Loving.

779
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:56.039
Will's Will's with an S. Chapman and Will with an

780
01:03:56.239 --> 01:04:09.679
L Loving. Around here, his best friends are clearly Nolan

781
01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:12.920
Touton and Rogan Gibson.

782
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:17.000
Touton.

783
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:21.239
Nolan Touton, Yes, sir, and what was the other one?

784
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:30.400
I'm sorry, Rogan Gibson. Have you talked with any of

785
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:32.880
these guys tonight? Talk with Nolan, Yes, sir, is he

786
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:37.280
out here? Yes, Sir, I tried to call Rogan was

787
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:39.000
one of the people that he's the boy that I

788
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:41.840
told you lives around the corner. That's very you know,

789
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:43.679
he's just a good, helpful young man.

790
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:47.840
Do you mind if I open the door?

791
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:56.800
Really do what you need to do? So, is there

792
01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:00.920
anybody that you can think of that we need to tonight?

793
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:03.119
Is there a name that comes to mind?

794
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:07.840
I mean, I can't tell you anybody that I'm overly

795
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:13.199
suspicious of off the top of my head, you know.

796
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:17.079
I mean, this is such a stupid thing. I'm even

797
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:23.400
embarrassed to say it. But it just didn't make any sense.

798
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:29.719
I just hired a guy out here and he really

799
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:32.000
he wasn't cutting the mustard, but I hadn't told him

800
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.679
this yet. Paul's been working with him a lot. He

801
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:38.000
killed the sun flower seeds in our dove field just recently,

802
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:40.679
which is why Paul was here doing this. He told

803
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:43.920
Paul the story the other day about how when he

804
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:47.079
was in high school, he got in a fight with

805
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:52.800
some black guys and the FBON undercover team observed him

806
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:57.880
fighting those guys and put him on an undercovered team

807
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.360
with three Navy seals and that their job was to

808
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:05.239
kill radical black panthers and they did that from Myrtle

809
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:09.960
Beach to Savannah. And now I really don't think this guy,

810
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:19.239
you know, it's probably the person, but that's just so friggid.

811
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:22.360
Yeah, that's kind of four pitched story, weird.

812
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:25.719
But he was off today, Okay. He took his daddy

813
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:26.239
to the doc.

814
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:31.760
What's his name, C. B. Rowe r Owe?

815
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:34.079
Yeah, And I sent him a message to text me

816
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:39.320
earlier today about sunflowers and he called me back when

817
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:41.920
I was on the way to my mom's house.

818
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:45.679
Did you talk to him at that time?

819
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.239
Briefly? I was on the phone with a lawyer friend

820
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:51.239
of mine named Chris Wilson from Bamberg, So I told

821
01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:54.320
him I call him back tomorrow see him in the morning.

822
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.599
When you briefly talked to mister Rowe, what was his

823
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:00.199
demeanor or attitude or yeah?

824
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:06.039
I mean it seemed normal. I mean I asked him

825
01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:12.239
about the sunflowers and so, you know, I mean, I'm

826
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:13.440
sure he's a little bit.

827
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.599
Where does he live, I.

828
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:19.519
Don't exactly know, Somewhere in Blood, I mean in Bronson.

829
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:25.800
Uh, do you have his phone number? You got it

830
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:31.360
with your closer, you know.

831
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.039
But I do think him and Paul got along pretty well.

832
01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:55.079
That's just really really weird, all right, c B right

833
01:07:55.159 --> 01:08:01.239
your little latin mhm, Yeah, he called me, so I'm

834
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:17.079
good to them. I think four three five four zero

835
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:21.319
nine three three five. You need to get that phone

836
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:22.880
on the charge, yell could be to him.

837
01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:30.279
Is that an iPhone? Yes, sir, watch your life for sacredness?

838
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:31.720
Thank you?

839
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:40.720
When did when did you tell that story to Paul?

840
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:42.439
Uh?

841
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:56.319
Sometime last week? Sometime last week my son Paul actually,

842
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:06.680
and I really do not think on all honesty that

843
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:07.359
it's him.

844
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:08.680
But I know y'all got to check it out.

845
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:23.560
But Paul was so taken aback by it that he

846
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.239
sent I'll find it. I got it on my phone.

847
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:32.359
He recorded him saying bits and pieces of it. No,

848
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:47.920
but for all his weirdness, I mean, I do think

849
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:52.800
they like. I mean, they got along pretty good.

850
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:55.760
I guess how long it has been working here, I guess.

851
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:59.560
About three or four pay periods, so.

852
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:04.159
Eight weeks.

853
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:05.119
It's a couple of months.

854
01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:19.239
Going back to the boat incident, anybody on that boat

855
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:28.239
really have a heart on for Paul that you would

856
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:31.199
think would come after him or know of any direct

857
01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:33.079
threats from people on the boats.

858
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:38.159
I don't know of any direct threats between any of

859
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:41.399
the people on the boat specifically, but I do think

860
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:45.359
there's been a small amount of yep yap between a

861
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:50.720
couple of them, but not recently. Most of this was

862
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:55.920
stuff from people that Paul didn't really know. There was

863
01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:00.880
some people that he knew distantly, but more times than not,

864
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:04.319
when I learned about it, it was somebody that he

865
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:10.239
didn't know. Okay, It's like, for example, he went out

866
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:13.159
and Charleston a couple of months ago, came back. You know,

867
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:16.319
he got a black eye, and you know he can't

868
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:20.159
defend himself right now because he has discharges. So you

869
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:24.840
know he would follows a real tough man's man. You know,

870
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:25.520
he would just.

871
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:31.880
He would defend himself. But he hadn't been That's right.

872
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:36.720
But how was he handling that case? Nothing over everybody

873
01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:40.039
as far as what how was he handling it?

874
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.439
I've never been prouder of him than the way he

875
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:48.760
has handled the pressures in the adversity in that situation.

876
01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:59.159
I think I've told Danny that before. I mean, Paul

877
01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:05.800
is a oneonderful, wonderful wonderful kid. You can do almost anything.

878
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:07.880
He gets along with almost anybody.

879
01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:13.720
Do y'all store any weapons out here?

880
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:20.039
We don't store them, but there you know they're frequently

881
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:22.159
out here. I need to find out if there were

882
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:25.399
any out here because I know there was a shotgun.

883
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:27.560
There was a twelve gage shotgun out here.

884
01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:29.199
Uh.

885
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:33.600
I don't have to find out exactly when that was.

886
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.840
I think it got put up, but I'm not positive.

887
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:40.319
What did that shotgun look like?

888
01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:51.079
Uh, it was a camouflage. I want to say it

889
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:54.239
was a Bonelli or maybe a Bretta. I can't remember

890
01:12:54.319 --> 01:13:03.479
which brand it is, but I don't think it was

891
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:09.880
out here okay recently, but I'm not positive.

892
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.600
And the shotgun that you had when deputies pulled up,

893
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:14.760
where did that come from?

894
01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.640
I went to the house and I got a gun,

895
01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:20.920
probably overreacting.

896
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:23.800
But and was that when you pulled up and saw them?

897
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:27.159
No, I mean I came out, and I mean I

898
01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:31.720
called nine one one first talked to them for a

899
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:36.960
little while, and then I told her told that I

900
01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:39.399
was that I was going to go to the house

901
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:41.800
and that I would let authorities know when they got

902
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:42.800
here that I had a gun.

903
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:49.800
Okay, do you happen to have a list of all

904
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:50.439
your guns.

905
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:52.399
I can make one. I don't have one.

906
01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:55.199
I can make one, Okay. Well, I'm just saying, you know,

907
01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:57.600
so we could compare if that shotgun was out here

908
01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:02.840
and now it's missing. Absolutely, try to figure figure that out. No, absolutely,

909
01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:04.479
And I know, living out here in the country, you've

910
01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:05.680
probably have more than one or two.

911
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:06.039
We do.

912
01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:12.399
We probably have twenty twenty five guns.

913
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:17.680
Yeah, crystals, Any rifles, yes, sir, what kind of rifles?

914
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:18.920
All kinds?

915
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:21.319
Yeah, all kinds.

916
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:24.439
I mean you name it, across the board. We have them, okay,

917
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:28.359
and I mean they're all of them we have. Are

918
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.920
you know in a hunting room in our house?

919
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.680
What was their schedule today? When did they get My.

920
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:53.039
Son works for my brother, and he was coming home

921
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:58.159
to deal with the sunflowers. He got.

922
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:00.680
Here.

923
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:04.800
He got here pretty early, because he and I rode

924
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:09.039
around looking at everything for a good little while, probably

925
01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:15.079
forty five minutes to an hour. Maggie had things she

926
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:22.239
did in Charleston, and she had a doctor's appointment in Charleston,

927
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:26.760
and she got back here. It was fairly late.

928
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:31.479
Was it dark yet when Paul got home.

929
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.680
No, Paul got home early.

930
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:38.159
Early Okay, so before dinner time, Oh, yes, ma'am, lunchtime?

931
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:46.000
No, what brother? What brother does Paul work for?

932
01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:47.079
John Marvin?

933
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:49.680
And what does Paul do for him?

934
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:50.399
Everything?

935
01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:52.520
Handy man?

936
01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:52.760
Yes.

937
01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:06.720
Was it unusual for Maggie to feed the dogs this

938
01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:08.399
time of night or check on them?

939
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:10.920
Oh? No, I mean she played with those dogs every

940
01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:16.119
all the time, and especially common for her to, you know,

941
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:19.840
she's been gone for a while to come and let

942
01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:23.000
especially two of them out to run.

943
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:27.920
Okay, So she pretty regularly comes out here in the evenings.

944
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:29.560
Very regularly.

945
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:31.000
Okay, she comes out here a lot.

946
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:40.079
Do you have any cameras on your property?

947
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:45.840
I have deer cameras, but none you know around up

948
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:52.760
here where they at on different deer stands, Okay, in

949
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:56.039
the woods, well, not necessarily deep in the woods. Some

950
01:16:56.079 --> 01:17:00.640
of them are in fields, and but I don't there's

951
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.760
none that you know are near here.

952
01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:11.720
What doctor's appointment? What doctor magazine today?

953
01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:17.399
I forget the guy's name. Mag's been having trouble with

954
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:21.960
her she's been having trouble with her stomach and her tooth.

955
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:27.680
I'm not positive. It was sort of a routine visit,

956
01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:31.520
and I can't remember. She told me the name of him,

957
01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:36.000
and I can't. I want to say Gordyne. Gordeen Gordyne

958
01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:39.079
is who I think she saw.

959
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:51.000
So was she back home around supper time or six o'clock,

960
01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:51.640
seven o'clock.

961
01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:56.720
I don't think she got back quite that early. I

962
01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:58.840
think she got back a little bit later than that.

963
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:10.479
Okay, what did you do today? Were you in the

964
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:11.680
office or nope?

965
01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:12.319
I was home.

966
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:16.760
I came home, Paul. The night I messed around. I uh,

967
01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:20.199
I was up at the house. I laid down, took

968
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:24.319
a nap on the couch, probably, I don't know. Twenty

969
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:30.079
five thirty minutes I got up. I called Maggie, didn't

970
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:31.159
get an answer.

971
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:32.000
And.

972
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:37.079
I left to go to my mom's. She had said

973
01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:40.000
she might ride with me, but she normally doesn't when

974
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:47.680
I go over there. And I think I texted her

975
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:53.479
and she's very good about answering the phone, so that

976
01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:56.600
was odd, or calling me back, So that was odd,

977
01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:58.279
But it wasn't that big a deal.

978
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:01.159
Now, what time was that?

979
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:04.279
What time was what that?

980
01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:05.920
You sent her a text message?

981
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:24.079
All right? I checked texted her at nine oh eight,

982
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:26.920
going to check on MB right back. And then I

983
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.000
texted her at nine forty seven that must be when

984
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:32.800
I started to come back. I think I called her

985
01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:41.159
before that, but let me make sure. I'm pretty sure

986
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:49.239
that I called her ninety five and then I tried Paul.

987
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:53.079
And then.

988
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:01.079
No, I think that was riding. I think that might

989
01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:13.800
have been riding over there. Ten o three. I mean

990
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:14.880
my calls are right here.

991
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:15.560
Yeah, so.

992
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:24.359
Obviously this is when this is when I at ten

993
01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:24.920
o six.

994
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:55.520
Can I help you?

995
01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:59.000
Yes, sir, thank you?

996
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:01.520
God, there you come.

997
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:05.279
Anybody else wants from Bill?

998
01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:10.479
No, you don't have any water to eat any that's

999
01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:11.319
all right, I don't need it.

1000
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:16.600
If you behind Danny's head is.

1001
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:19.159
A deal.

1002
01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:20.319
Yeah, I got something right here.

1003
01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:24.840
Well, thank you, Thank you, ma'am.

1004
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:44.680
I'm sure we're gonna have much more questions.

1005
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:47.319
Available at you know, you let me know.

1006
01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:49.439
What.

1007
01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:56.920
What's another number? At least I can't get you on

1008
01:21:57.039 --> 01:21:57.399
your cell.

1009
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:05.640
I don't have a house phone an office number. I

1010
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:10.479
can give you my brother's cell phones, all right.

1011
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:11.439
What's Randy's.

1012
01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:16.399
Hey, Randy's is eight zero three nine four three.

1013
01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:23.039
Eight eight eight one, alright, and John's.

1014
01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:28.079
John Marvin's eight four three three two one five five

1015
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:28.840
zero eight.

1016
01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:38.640
Then you said your dad's in the hospital, Yes, sir,

1017
01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:41.720
which which hospital, Charleston.

1018
01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:44.079
Or Savannah, Canada? Saint Joseph?

1019
01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:47.000
Is he doing okay or what's uh?

1020
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:51.560
He's having a really really hard time. He's got a lot, lot, lot,

1021
01:22:51.840 --> 01:23:00.640
lot going on. You know, he's he's he's doing okay

1022
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.119
given everything, but he's got a lot going on.

1023
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:14.600
About Maggie's family, were they Somerville? Have you been in

1024
01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:16.720
touch with them contacted? Yes?

1025
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.279
I have my brother called Bart the wife of his

1026
01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:25.520
sister and I mean the husband of Maggie's sister, so

1027
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:30.039
that they could go and tell Maggie's parents of stuff

1028
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:33.439
like they needed to hear an impresson And they are

1029
01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:36.920
going there and calling me, so they must not be

1030
01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:37.439
there yet.

1031
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:43.000
Maggie's parents and Summer, Yes, and her mom just had.

1032
01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:47.479
A near replacement surgery and her dad really has trouble

1033
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:48.720
getting around nowadays.

1034
01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:53.920
Do you have any other children?

1035
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:54.760
I do.

1036
01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:56.479
I have a twenty four year old.

1037
01:23:56.479 --> 01:23:57.800
That's right, he said, what's his name?

1038
01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:00.680
Bust Well, Richard Alexander Junior.

1039
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:06.960
He goes by Buster, He goes by Buster. Is he

1040
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:07.560
you tonight?

1041
01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:08.640
He's on his way?

1042
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:19.119
Lord, you got anything?

1043
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:25.239
This one's hard. But when you first saw Paul, he said,

1044
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:28.680
you tried to flip him over. Was he laying on

1045
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:30.159
his back or on his stomach?

1046
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:30.680
Just like?

1047
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:31.760
Just like?

1048
01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:39.840
And weren't able to move him? Okay, okay? And did

1049
01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:42.920
he help Maggie a lot out here with the animals.

1050
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:45.640
He helped everybody with everything.

1051
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:47.079
Okay, So it was kind of routine for him to

1052
01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:47.920
be out here as well.

1053
01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:51.840
This place is his absolute passion.

1054
01:24:52.039 --> 01:24:52.359
Okay.

1055
01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:09.279
I tried to turn him, and then I tried then

1056
01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:14.199
I checked him, man, I mean, I think I already knew,

1057
01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:15.119
but I checked him.

1058
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:22.079
And when you pulled first pulled into the property, did

1059
01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:24.600
you come from this direction where all our police cars

1060
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:26.039
are or which way did you call that?

1061
01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:28.800
I went to the house okay, and then I came

1062
01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:32.640
from the house this way straight here you okay. I

1063
01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:36.479
mean where my vehicle was parked is probably is where

1064
01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:40.039
it was? Okay, Well, no, maybe not exactly, but it

1065
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:43.600
was pretty close because I came back the same route.

1066
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:46.000
That's right, because you went back to get your shot got.

1067
01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:46.840
When I came back.

1068
01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:04.399
All right, I can't think of anything else right now,

1069
01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:06.399
but you know, we'll certainly be in touch.

1070
01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:11.960
Thank y'all for everything y'all are doing.

1071
01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:14.000
So you know, just to kind of let you know

1072
01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:16.439
what's gonna go on. We're gonna be out here for

1073
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:21.119
quite some time. In the corner will take custody of

1074
01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:22.000
Paul and Maggie.

1075
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:28.720
Can I answer that? Yeah?

1076
01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:40.119
What no, let me we're finished, let me come out here. Well,

1077
01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:46.119
I'll be here when he gets here. Damn no, don't

1078
01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:55.359
let him come up here. M okay, yeah, I think

1079
01:26:55.399 --> 01:27:03.720
we're about done. M hm, sorry, thank you, So, I'm sorry, sir,

1080
01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:06.119
I dropped my card.

1081
01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:15.119
Sorry, we'll get you here, yep, thank you.

1082
01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:19.399
Full I said, the corner will come over and talk

1083
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:22.439
to you. You know, they'll do the autopsy and everything

1084
01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:28.399
and then go from there, but we'll come to you

1085
01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:29.079
before we leave.

1086
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.359
Thank you very much, sir.

1087
01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:36.439
Thank you. Miss Rutler. Yes, but thank you very much.

1088
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:42.199
Here you want this water?

1089
01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:43.439
Oh yes, please, thank you.

1090
01:27:56.640 --> 01:28:00.680
Several things to unpacked there. First, Did you noticed that

1091
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:04.640
Alex mentioned he touched Paul's cell phone and, in his

1092
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:08.399
exact words, thought about doing something with it, but put

1093
01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:12.439
it back. Strange thing to mention unless you're trying to

1094
01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:16.039
establish why your fingerprints were all over it, probably stained

1095
01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:20.039
with blood. And again he was able to explain his

1096
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:28.079
movements in great detail. Y'all under extraordinary circumstances. It just

1097
01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:31.399
does not seem possible to me that you walk up

1098
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:36.119
on all of that, and yet right after you can

1099
01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:40.279
recall without even looking, every person you called in, every

1100
01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:44.720
place you stopped for the preceding hours without taking some

1101
01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:46.760
time to think about.

1102
01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:49.640
It seems rehearsed to me.

1103
01:28:52.439 --> 01:28:56.840
And yet again he mentions that boat wreck, but he

1104
01:28:56.920 --> 01:29:01.439
doesn't stop there. He goes into great detail about a

1105
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:04.600
man by the name of c. B Row and goes

1106
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:08.760
into a dramatic story about how this guy told Paul

1107
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:11.119
he wrote around with a bunch of guys in his

1108
01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:17.119
past killing black panthers. Then he says, but I don't

1109
01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:21.159
think he had anything to do with it. Well, you

1110
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:25.680
brought it up, Alex. And that is how calm he

1111
01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:29.319
seemed in most of that interview inside that police card,

1112
01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:34.319
no heavy breathing, He just appeared too calm to me.

1113
01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:37.600
And when he would have his little crying out bursts

1114
01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:42.239
over no tears. Again it just seemed fake. But what

1115
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:47.800
really stood out to me and that entire conversation was

1116
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:51.359
when Detective Laura Rutland asked him if he had any

1117
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:56.560
cameras and he mentioned the deer cameras that he had,

1118
01:29:56.800 --> 01:30:02.640
but but he dis missed them almost immediately, saying they

1119
01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.239
were way out in the woods on deer stands. Now,

1120
01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:11.079
how does he know the killer or killers did not

1121
01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:15.680
come in through the woods and leave that way. I

1122
01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:19.119
would have been saying, I got deer cams, let me

1123
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:21.720
show you where they are so we can catch these fools.

1124
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:25.359
Alex blows it off like there's no need to even

1125
01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:26.000
look at him.

1126
01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:28.239
How the fuck would he know?

1127
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:33.039
That kind of makes you say, hmm. So his story

1128
01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.640
at this point to the detectives was he went by

1129
01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:40.000
his mom's house to check on her because she's in

1130
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:43.720
the late stages of Alzheimer's, and then he went home,

1131
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:48.600
he saw that Maggie and Paul weren't there, called them

1132
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:51.920
a couple times, and then went to the kennels to

1133
01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.760
see if they were there, and that's where he found

1134
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:58.399
them dead. That was the first time he had been

1135
01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:03.279
to the kennels that day, according to Alex. Remember that

1136
01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:19.439
statement because it becomes heavy into play later on. Look,

1137
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:22.960
if you're loving this series so far, there is so

1138
01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:26.520
much more to come. In our next episode, we're gonna

1139
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:31.279
actually go over the police reports from the detectives on

1140
01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:34.319
the scene that night, What did they think about the

1141
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:38.600
scene and what were their initial thoughts on all this.

1142
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:43.239
I already gave you mine, and we're gonna hear from

1143
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:47.199
the last person to talk to Paul that night, his

1144
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:52.479
best friend, Brogan Gibson. What did he know that would

1145
01:31:52.840 --> 01:32:00.640
absolutely blow this case wide ass opening talked about that

1146
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:09.760
and much more so until next time we're exposed scandalous

1147
01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:14.319
files of the elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman.

1148
01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:16.000
Much love,