Oct. 10, 2024

“Murdaugh" Episode Six | The Betrayal of Gloria Satterfield

“Murdaugh" Episode Six | The Betrayal of Gloria Satterfield

In this gripping sixth episode of Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman discusses the tragic death of Gloria Satterfield, longtime housekeeper for the Murdaugh family. Jim examines the chaotic 911 call made by Maggie and Paul Murdaugh...

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In this gripping sixth episode of Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman discusses the tragic death of Gloria Satterfield, longtime housekeeper for the Murdaugh family. Jim examines the chaotic 911 call made by Maggie and Paul Murdaugh reporting her severe injuries, and the questionable role of Alex Murdaugh in suggesting Gloria’s sons hire his associate for their wrongful death claim.
Jim reveals the alarming embezzlement of over $4 million in insurance payouts meant for Gloria’s heirs, leaving her family devastated. Featuring poignant testimony from her son, Michael "Tony" Satterfield, this episode highlights the deep betrayal and corruption within the Murdaugh circle as he seeks to uncover the truth behind Gloria’s untimely death.

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Timestamps
01:23 Gloria Satterfield's Tragic Fall
05:21 Investigating the 911 Call
08:55 The Aftermath of Gloria's Death
15:01 Insurance Claims and Deception
22:49 Testimony from Gloria's Son
30:43 The Role of Alex Murdaugh
36:53 A Family Betrayed
47:15 The Final Words of a Victim's Family

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Shortly after the double murders at Mozelle, Steven Smith's murder

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became front page news, with national media picking up on

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the story. It was that story that led to the

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discovery of yet another strange death at Mozelle, this one

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involving the mrdall's longtime housekeeper, Gloria Sadderfield, whose fall on

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the property caused a traumatic brain injury that led to

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her death. The national media scrambled once again and rumors

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began flying about the tragic death of Gloria Sadderfield not

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being caused by what was originally reported. At the center

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of this death was Alex Murdall, who testified and lied

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about his involvement in the tragic incident at Mozelle in

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an effort to hide a secret that would come out

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several years later. Welcome to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite.

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Murdall Episode six, the Death of Gloria Saderfield. Hey everyone,

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and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite.

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I am your host, Jim Chapman. We are jumping right

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into this sixth up in the Murdall series. And when

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we last left you, police were investigating that double murder

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at Mozelle. In the national media, they have picked up

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that story on Steven Smith. I told you all those details,

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and it was shortly after the national media they started

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digging and they discovered another incident at the Mozille property

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that involved a death, and that was the Murdall's longtime housekeeper,

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Gloria Sadderfield. So I'm going to give you the details

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of that, and we're going to start with the nine

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to one one call that occurred on February second of

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twenty eighteen. So I'm going to play that nine to

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one one call for you, and keep in mind you're

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gonna hear two voices. Those two voices you're gonna hear

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making that call and talking to that nine to one

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one dispatcher or Maggie Murdall and Paul Murdall. So here's

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what that nine one one call sounded light.

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To me.

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Now, my longs yourmers? Okay, uh four one four seven

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Bazell Roads. Hey, can you give me the address?

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I'm going to say that a right, yes.

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Four one four seven Bozell Roads.

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Okay, let's go out there. I'm sorry, what's going on there?

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My housekeeper has fallen and her head is leading. I

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cannot get her up. Okay. And you said she's fallen,

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she's leading from the hiding.

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Yes, okay.

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How old is she?

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I'm not sure, like fifty eight?

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Maybe you know she saw from the standing or not? No,

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where she saw from from.

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The she fell going up the steps of the brick steps.

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Okay, so she out better inside outside?

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Okay? How many steps is there?

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Eight?

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Okay? If she on the ground or she you know,

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she's on the ground.

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She's on the ground. She's on the conscious but no,

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not really.

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Is she awake at all? Yes, okay, if she's just

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not like responding appropriately, But she is awake, man, she's

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not she's not responding. Okay. I just I've already got

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them on the way and he asks him questions, does

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not sew them down.

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Man.

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Knowing if she's conscious is one of the things that

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the medic needs to know. If she's responding at all

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to you? No, okay, So she's not responded at all. Well,

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I mean she's mumbling. Okay, so she is somewhat conscious.

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Is she breathing okay?

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Yes?

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Is she bleeding from anywhere?

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Yes? Her head?

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Hey, are you guys able to control the bleeding?

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Can you put the cream rag or anything on it?

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Yeah? Okay?

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Is she bleeding from like her feet? The back of

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the head? Got an ambulance coming for the name was?

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Where exactly is she bleeding from? My head?

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I'm not sure?

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At the top of her head?

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Okay?

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All right?

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Damn what happened?

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She just fell back down?

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Can I get off this stone?

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Can I have your name the phone number? Or are

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you able to bring this one down by her? What

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are you on a cell phone where you can walk

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down there? Okay? Can you bring it with you so

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we can ask her some questions about what kind of

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pain she's having.

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That's hella.

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Yeah.

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Can you ask the patial what kind of tain she's having?

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Then she can't tell?

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Okay? Do you know she's crapped her head.

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And there's blood on the concrete, and she breathed out

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of her left ear.

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Okay, she's bleeding out of her ear.

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And out of her head.

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She's school okay, all right. The other lady said that

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she had tried to stand up and fell down again. No,

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she's I was holding her up, okay.

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She told me to turn her listen.

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She's trying to his own but then she fell back over.

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Okay. Do you guys know who she is?

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Yes?

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She works for Okay, do you know she's never had

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a stroke or anything before?

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Man?

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Can you stop them on the way? I already have

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them on the way, and me asking questions does not

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slow them down in any way. These are relevant questions

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that I have to ask for the ambulance. One of

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my questions is has she ever had a stroke?

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I don't believe she's ever had a sertain.

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Now that I know that.

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Okay. Is she able to talk to you that good?

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All?

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Or is she unconscious?

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Now?

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She's not unconscious, she's just mumbling.

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Okay.

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I believe she's maybe hit her head and that maybe

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the other.

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Team cushion or something.

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Do you know what her name is?

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Gloria sadder Field?

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He said, Sanderfield. Man, you said Sanderfield.

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Back to a.

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Field, goa. Okay, what's the house is like out there?

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It's it's a it's off set off the roads. Okay,

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it's a big house.

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Gonna want a driveway with a long driveway?

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Yeah?

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Is there a date or anything down there that need.

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Get big brick columns on her to come through?

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Okay, But there's no like date coote or anything that

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they need.

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No man, they can look for her from on a

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six five six ranger okay, waiting on them in his dream.

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You know what that they probably know what the ranger

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looks like.

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Yeah, he said, dot on a black whatever, okay, I paint.

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Okay, all right. If if something changes with her, if

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she was a consciousness or anything like that, I need

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one of you guys, call me back right away, okay.

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Okay, Well how about how long would we go to

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take for this kick.

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Up that I don't know. I've got him on the

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way since because Maggie first called me, they were toned

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right away. Okay, all right, but they're I think they're coming.

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I don't hang in one minute. Let me check. They're

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coming from somewhere on Belt Highway and repping okay after

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their station is thank you all right, But like I said,

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if something changes, call me back, okay.

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So, ambulances arrive, the police arrive, and sadly, Gloria Saderfield

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never regains consciousness and she dies from her injuries three

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weeks later. This was on February twenty six of twenty eighteen,

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so immediately following her death, Alec Myrdall actually at the

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funeral of Gloria Sadderfield. He recommends to her two sons

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that they hire his friend and fellow attorney, Corey Fleming,

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to represent them in bringing a wrongful death claim against him. Now,

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of course, anytime you have insurance companies get involved, they

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have their own investigators they want to bring out. They

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want to make sure there's no fraud taking place and

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that they have their bases covered right, because especially in

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a situation like this, they're gonna have to pay out

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a lot of money. You had a death involved. It

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was a reporter as a slip and fall. So Alex,

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Maggie and Paul Murdall, they all have to speak to

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insurance investigators and give a deposition on their sides of

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what happened. Now. Alex claimed Maggie called him after finding

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Glorious Sadderfield in a pull of blood on their front steps. Now,

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Saderfield was allegedly at the family's home at that time

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to pick up a paycheck. Paul and Maggie Murdall they

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also speak to the investigators and give a deposition, and

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they both say that they were asleep at the time

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of her arrival and Maggie Murdall said that she heard

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the dogs barking outside in what she referred to as

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an unusual tone. So she goes outside and she finds

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Glorious Sadderfield on her back with her head toward the

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bottom of the steps, bleeding from a head wound. She

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also said that the doll were walking near Glorious Sadderfield,

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so that was her statement of events of what happened.

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Paul coroborated that in his statements, he also mentioned that

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Glorias Sadderfield, the housekeeper, was airlifted to Trident Hospital, and

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of course she knew that she later died as I

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told you. So they talked to Alex, and Alex's version

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is Maggie called him and told him what happened. He

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went to the house and he even claimed to talk

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to Glorias Saddfield at that time and that she knew

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where she was, she knew who he was, but she

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was obviously not functioning at full capacity. So the investigator

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at that point he asked Alex mrdall, well did she

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tell you what happened to her? And Alex Merdall said

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that she indicated that the dogs caused her to fall

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and hit her head. So that was the story that

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they gave in that deposition in twenty eighteen. So let's

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talk about the sons of Gloria Saderfield. And look, these

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are country people, y'all. They're hardworking country people. They're not

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people that would be up on the law. They're not

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people that deal with a whole lot of lawyers. So

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they have a lot of trust, right, they have a

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lot of trust in these lawyers that represent them. Alex

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goes to one of the sons at his mom's funeral

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of all places, and he says, I'm going to take

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care of you, etc. And they trusted that because you've

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got to remember their mother worked for Alex Murdall for

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a very long time, and so they followed his lead.

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In time passed and I'm talking a lot of time,

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and they saw no money. And the son of Gloria Ciderfield,

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he would follow up with Alex Murdall like once every

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three months or so and say, hey, how's the case going.

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And Alex wasn't representing him personally, Alex's best friend was

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representing him. But in his eyes, Alex was representing He

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was pulling the strings right, and he would just delay

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this son. Every time he would check in and say, oh,

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we're still working on it, it's getting closer, et cetera. Now,

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what that family didn't realize was that behind the scenes,

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both of those lawyers had been paid. Now, while Alex

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was not technically representing them by law, he couldn't effectively.

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He was.

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I mean, his bestie was representing them, and that pretty

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much means Alex was representing them. And that's how that

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family looked at it. To be honest, they didn't communicate

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with the other lawyer very much. So there were two

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policies involved. One was from Nautilus Insurance Company and the

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other was a smaller policy if you want to call

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it a small policy. It was five hundred and five

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thousand dollars, but it was from Lloyd's of London, now Nautilus.

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They investigated the claim for a year and many of

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the investigators thought something doesn't smell right with that claim,

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and they would comment on that in the filings. But

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eventually it goes through mediation and they end up paying

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out three point eight million dollars in a settlement on

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March twenty second of twenty nineteen in Lloyd's of London.

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They also paid out the smaller but like I said,

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by no means small policy of five hundred and five

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thousand dollars. Now, bringing you back to just a little

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while after the murders of Maggie and Paul, the national

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media they pick up on the Sadderfield story, just like

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they did the Steven Smith's story, and all that attention

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leads to the fact that Corey Fleming paid from the

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insurance companies. However, the sons of Glorious Sadderfield see this

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and they're like, what the fuck? We have never gotten

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a dime. At that point, they had never gotten a dime.

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And now you're into twenty twenty one. All that time

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and these poor kids of Glorious Sadderfields had not seen

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one red cent. So what do you think happens? Well,

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nat Ailess Insurance they must follow breaking news because they

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see this, which right away they know this has got

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to be a massive fraud because they did pay it out,

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but these kids are claiming they never got it. And

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not only that, but they know that Alex mrdall lied

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about ever being on the property when Glorious Saderfield had fell.

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They find out he never even talked to her. None

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of that, and he testified in that deposition that he did,

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and that was a big part of it, a big

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part of the reason that they paid out on that policy.

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So that's a big problem. And they also know there's

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a problem for them, possibly because if that family was

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not paid, it could open them up to something. Now,

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it would not stick in court because they could prove

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that they paid it and the lawyer was the one

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in the wrong, but it's still a concern. It's still

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bad price. So they file suit and I got that

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suit here and I'm going to go over it with

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you quickly regarding Nautilus versus Alex Murdall, and it says

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this dispute arises from an incident that occurred on February second,

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twenty eighteen, where Miss Glorious Satterfield, the Murdall's family longtime housekeeper,

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suffered a traumatic brain injury after or falling at defendant

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Alex Murdall's Mozielle property. Per Murdall, miss Satterfield was tripped

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by his dogs while collecting a check for work performed

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for someone else. Miss Sadterfield passed away from her injuries

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on February twenty six of twenty eighteen, leaving behind two sons,

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and let me stop right there and tell you why

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it says she was picking up a check for someone else.

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Alex Murdall came out later on and said, well, I

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was worried that the kids wouldn't be paid out if

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I said that she was picking up a check for

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herself or working on the property during that time. So

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I made that up because the way my insurance reads,

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it has to be basically like an innocent bystander, y'all.

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It can't be someone that works for him or is

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in the capacity of working when the accident occurred. Something

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to do with that policy. So I just wanted to

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explain that quickly. Now we'll move on. Upon Miss Satterfield's passing,

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Murdau offered to assist her sons in making a recovery

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against him under the Moseelle property's liability policy. Murdau arranged

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for his longtime friend and former law partner, Corey Fleming

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to represent the estate, and for vice president of PSB,

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which is a bank, Chad Westendorf, to serve as the

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estate's personal representative. Nautilus opened an investigation into the claim

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in March twentieth of twenty eighteen, notwithstanding the hesitations voiced

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within Nautilus. Over the course of a year long investigation,

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Nautilus settled the Satterfield's estate claim for three point eight

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million dollars following a mediation held on March twenty second

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of twenty nineteen. And then they referenced the Nautilus's adjuster

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writing quote the Lloyd's adjuster and I believe this claim

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is very questionable unquote. But on April twenty second of

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twenty nineteen, Nautilusts delivered a settlement check to Fleming, made

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payable to Chad Westendorf as a personal representative of the

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estate of Glorious Satterfield and Moss Kune and Fleming Attorney.

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In a cover letter, Nautilusts requested that Fleming hold the

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settlement funds in trust until the petition and order approving

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the settlement had been signed and filed by a probate

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court in a settlement hearing. And that's common, especially with

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that amount of money, So they send that check off, etc.

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Now it says the parties agreed to hold the settlement

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hearing before circuit court rather than probate court. Only Westendorf

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and Fleming were president at the hearing before Judge Mullen,

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as John Grantlin, the council retained by Nautilus on behalf

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of Murdaw, appeared at the wrong courthouse.

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Oh my gosh.

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Mullen approved and signed the settlement order in the hearing,

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but did not file the order at Fleming's request. Following

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the hearing, Fleming mailed the original signed order to Grantland

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and contends he believed Grantlin would file the order at

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a later date. Fleming then executed a two million, nine

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hundred and fifty one thousand, nine hundred and thirty one

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dollars and ninety five cent check made payable to the

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trust account from Moss and Kune at Myrdall's instruction, and

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delivered the check to Myrdall, so three million dollars basically.

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Fleming testified he believed Merdall had created account in the

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name of the Sadderfield heirs, and in fact Merdall had

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opened a personal bank account at Bank of America under

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the name of Forge, which was a company that he

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created specifically for this check. It was a fake It

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was a shell company, right, a fake company, and the

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name of it was Forge. How's that for arrogance. He

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did that on purpose, so he named it forged to

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facilitate the theft of the funds. Over the course of

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the scheme, Fleming dispersed get this, three million, four hundred

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and eighty three thousand dollars and forty one cents to

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that account at Murdall's direction. The Cadderfield heirs did not

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receive any of the Nautilus's settlement funds. So as you

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heard me, just tell you. Obviously, with Corey Fleming involved

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in this, we don't only have Alex Murdall as a

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total piece of shit, but his bestie Corey Fleming, also

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a total piece of shit. And we also have Chad

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Western Dwarf, the guy at the bank that was supposed

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to be ever seeing all this as a total piece

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of shit. Now they all work together to basically fuck

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over this family whose mother died. It's absolutely disgusting. And

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I'm gonna play a clip for you right now. And

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this clip is featuring the testimony of Michael Saderfield. He's

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known as Tony and he was the oldest son and

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kind of in charge of speaking for the family. And

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I'm gonna let one thing out of the bag that

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probably everybody knows by now, and that is that Alex

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Murdall did face criminal charges in the murder of Maggie

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and Paul. And I have to tell you that because

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that is where this clip came from. So here it is.

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And I promise you when you're done hearing this, you

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will absolutely hate Alex Murdall more than you probably already do,

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if that's possible. And just a quick note before you

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listen to this. The first attorney you hear that's gonna

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be the prosecutor, and then he is followed up by

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the defense attorney.

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My name is Michael Tyder Pield. My last name is

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spelled f A T T E R f I E

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l D.

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Mister Stuffield, how you doing today?

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God? Here are you?

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I'm good? Tell the jury just a little bit about yourself.

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Where'd you grow up?

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And?

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Uh, you know, what do you do for a living?

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I grew up in Hampton and a living b front

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and I work at the Pretmorial Hospital.

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Okay, awesome, core reporters taking stuff down there. I'm really

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known for talking fast too, but let's let's slow it

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down so they can they can get everything down. Uh,

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you grew up in hamp and you said yes, and uh,

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you said where'd you work be for Memorial? Okay? What

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do you do there?

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Work in the e R? How long have you been working

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there a little over five years?

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Okay? And where did you work anywhere? A part of that?

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I did? And where'd you work the pharmacy?

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Pharmacy? H who's your mom?

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Gloria Cyderfield Glorious out?

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And does your mom still well?

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Us? She's not?

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And when did she pass?

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February twenty sixth, twenty eighteen.

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And do you have a sibling?

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I do?

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And what's his name?

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Brian?

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Right?

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Uh?

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Where'd your mom pass in the hospital?

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Did something happen to her?

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Yes?

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Tell the jury what happened to her?

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She had a trip and ball?

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And where did that occur?

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I'm not sure that dank date that occurred? But where

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I'm sorry, at Modell in Collington County, Okay.

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Was she working for the Murdoch family?

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She was?

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And what did she do for them?

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She was their housekeeper, babysat for them and anything else

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they needed.

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Maybe sad whatever they need? Yes, housekeeper. How long did

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she work for.

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Them a little over twenty years? I'm not sure to

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dank them out.

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Twenty years during that time? Did you get to know

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the Murdoch family did? Did you get to know the

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defendant Alec Murdoch?

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I did.

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Do you see him here in the courtroom today?

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I do?

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Can you point him out to the for the jury?

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Can the record reflected to know father defendant? Your mom

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worked for this family for twenty years babysitting, she helped

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raise the children.

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Yes.

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Did you get to know Maggie a little bit?

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Yes?

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Did you get to know Paul or Buster at all.

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A little bit? Yes?

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And you got to know Alec?

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Yes.

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You said your mom had a trip and fall at

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Mozille at their property.

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Yes, and.

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She go to the hospital yes. Was she ever able

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to tell you how she tripped or anything like that?

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How long was she in the hospital before she passed away?

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Give and take four or five weeks somewhere up in there.

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After she passed away? Did you was there a funeral?

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Yes?

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And after the funeral did people go to somebody's house

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and visit like people do?

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Yes?

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At any point in time during that funeral or thereabouts,

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did you have a conversation with the defendant?

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Yes?

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And what.

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Objecting to questions by mister water that respond with a

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yes or no. Those are typically leading questions. And not

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that I'm concerned about these questions. I just don't want

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my lack of objections to lead to somebody's belief that

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he can ask questions that respond with a yes or

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no nice toward us.

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I think my question did not suggest the answers said,

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did you have a conversation? And my next question was

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what was that conversation?

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If I remember correctly, I'm gonna kind of take care.

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Of your boys and kind of you know, he's gonna

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do what I'm sorry, take care of your boys, all right?

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Did he say how he was going to do that partially?

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Yes?

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What did he say he was gonna finally claim against

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an interurn company? He's gonna what finally claim against his

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inchurch company.

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His insurance company?

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Yes?

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Did he say how much coverage there was?

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Like five hundred and five thousand I believe five.

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Hundred and five thousand?

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Yes?

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And did he say anything about how much money you

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may receive?

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The goal was to get me and my brother Brian

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at least one hundred thousand dollars of the piece.

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And did did any other bills need to be taken

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care of.

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The medical bills for who my mom?

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When he told you that, did you agree to do that?

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Yes?

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Did you view the defendant as your lawyer?

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Yes?

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Did you go and meet with him about it?

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Yes?

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Did he tell you about what to do with any

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paperwork you may.

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Receive, any paperwork or build or anything descend into him?

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Did you agree to let the defendant go forward with

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this claim? Yes? And I'm gonna i'd asked you whether

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or not what he told you to do about paperwork,

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and I'm gonna show you Westburn mark this exhibit three

483
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.039
seventy two to your testimony. Do you recognize that?

484
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:41.720
Yes?

485
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:43.160
Tell the jury what that is?

486
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:46.000
Please? This is the cover sheet that I sent him

487
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.480
with I believe behind the legal hospital building some kind

488
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:50.640
of other one paperwork.

489
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.720
Okay, So you have received some paperwork in the mail?

490
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:54.119
Yes?

491
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.200
And did you can write this?

492
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:57.119
I didn't?

493
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:58.960
And who'd you send this to Alex?

494
00:28:58.960 --> 00:28:59.359
Tim or not?

495
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.640
And tell the jury quickly what this is about? Can

496
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:03.920
you see it on the screen. I can bring it

497
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:04.519
back to you if you do.

498
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.720
Okay, So this is a coverag sheet that attached to

499
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.880
the documents that I sent Alex.

500
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:13.599
Okay, and what kind of documents. Do you remember what

501
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:14.039
kind of they were?

502
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.880
One with the hospital bill and one was from the

503
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.759
trailer company I believe, I don't recall exactly what it was.

504
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:23.759
The trailer company for who? My mom in the hospital

505
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:24.359
bill for who?

506
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.960
Yes, my mom?

507
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.960
And you send these to him because they were relevant

508
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:30.480
to the case.

509
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:31.200
Yes.

510
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.440
At any point in time, did you, as this case

511
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.400
was developing, did you go and meet with the defendant

512
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:40.039
of his office?

513
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:40.839
Yes?

514
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.920
Did you have any paperwork for you?

515
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:43.559
Yes?

516
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.039
Did you get you to sign some paperwork?

517
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:46.440
Yes?

518
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.160
Did you become the personal representative of your mom's estate?

519
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.640
I did?

520
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.440
And who gave you the paperwork to sign for that? Alex?

521
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.799
When you signed that paperwork? Were you aware that there

522
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:15.200
had already benefit at some point in time, did Alex

523
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.680
say he wanted to involve another lawyer?

524
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:18.880
Yes?

525
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:20.319
And who was that?

526
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.119
Corey Fleming?

527
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:22.759
And what did he tell you about that?

528
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.640
If I understood it correctly, I'm going to send you

529
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.319
to Corey Fleming, my friend, because I can't go.

530
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:31.119
You know, do you claim you get my funk? It

531
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:33.359
would be a conflict of interest, That's how I understood it.

532
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.160
And did you ultimately meet with Corey Fleming?

533
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:38.960
Yes.

534
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:40.480
How many times did you meet.

535
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.079
With it, if I recall correctly, maybe once.

536
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:46.599
Or twice over the course of this case. If you

537
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.039
had a question, who would you call?

538
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:48.720
Alex?

539
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.720
At some point did the defendant, Alec have a conversation

540
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.119
with you about letting someone else be PR?

541
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:01.799
Yes?

542
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:03.759
And what was that conversation?

543
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.519
That I should let somebody else be PR because based

544
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.839
on the businessman and it would be hard for the

545
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.759
interest to go up against somebody like that, Okay? And

546
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:15.240
who told you that, Alex?

547
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:19.640
And what did you say to that? Yes? All right?

548
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.519
And who was did somebody else get involved at this point?

549
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:23.000
Yes?

550
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:24.359
And who was that?

551
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:25.160
The PR?

552
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:26.200
Chad Lessendorf?

553
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.160
At that point in time, did you sign any paperwork

554
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:31.000
for him to become PR?

555
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:31.720
Chad?

556
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:32.680
All right?

557
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.640
And who brought you that paperwork?

558
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.119
I believe I signed it to al as the officer

559
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.599
that I went to the bank, I can't recall.

560
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.680
And at that point in time were you aware of

561
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:44.920
any recovery.

562
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:44.960
In the case?

563
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:45.359
Now?

564
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.039
Did Alick tell you there had been a recovery of

565
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.359
five hundred five thousand dollars already in the case at

566
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.799
that time? Now? Did he ever tell you that had

567
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.720
been a recovery of five hundred and five thousand dollars

568
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.319
at that time? Now, was there a recovery at that

569
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.000
time of five hundred five thousand dollars? You come to find.

570
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:02.759
Out later on?

571
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.279
Later on you found out, yes? And did he ever

572
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:06.119
pay you one dime?

573
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:06.440
No?

574
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.680
Who was the pr that the defendant talk to you

575
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.799
about in pointing instead of you Chad with Did you

576
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.480
ever meet with them? Yes, late once or twenty Did

577
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.200
he ever tell you about a five hundred and five

578
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.039
thousand dollars settlement that already occurred?

579
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:22.440
No?

580
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.000
Did the defendant ever tell you that he also had

581
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.200
a five million dollar umbrella policy?

582
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:30.640
No?

583
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.119
Did he ever tell you that there had been a

584
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:36.119
recovery against that?

585
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:36.799
No?

586
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.279
Did he ever tell you that I had been a

587
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.920
recovery for three point eight million dollars against that?

588
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:42.319
No?

589
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.400
Did he ever pay you one penny of three point

590
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.759
eight million dollars? Now, as the months went on and

591
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.319
moving into the early part of June twenty twenty one,

592
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.200
would you periodically have conversations with ELEC about the case?

593
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:57.920
Yes?

594
00:32:58.799 --> 00:32:59.960
How often do you think you would talk?

595
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.359
Every three to four months, give and take, And.

596
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.599
You recall what ELEC would tell you about the case.

597
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.519
Yes, First to start off, you know, the hard case,

598
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.720
and then is making progress?

599
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:13.720
Say that again?

600
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.160
At first it started off as it was going to

601
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.359
be a hard case, and then it turned into we're

602
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:19.720
making progress.

603
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:21.359
You're making progress.

604
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:21.680
Yes?

605
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.200
And what had the defendant told you about the most

606
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.440
that you could recover? What did he tell you at

607
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.880
least nothing? Do you recognize that this on the screen

608
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:33.359
right now?

609
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.799
Yes? And who's that text from Alex?

610
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.640
And who is it to me? And can you reach

611
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:41.200
you the jury? What that text says?

612
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.400
It says, hey man, just checking in, been working on

613
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.440
case and made me think about you. Hope, Paul is good?

614
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:48.799
Call me anytime I can help.

615
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:53.240
And what was the date of that texte?

616
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:54.319
At twelve forty seven?

617
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.440
All right, I'm gonna go to this next one. Do

618
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:00.680
you reconnize is that text?

619
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:01.200
Yes?

620
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:02.880
And who is that from?

621
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.440
That is from me to Alex responding to his text?

622
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.239
All right, and to read that text to the jury once.

623
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:11.280
You sent on that text says hey man, I'm doing good.

624
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.199
By the way, how is the case going? Just curious?

625
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.880
But how are you show you.

626
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.320
This next text? Do you recognize that?

627
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:18.960
Yes?

628
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.320
And who is that from? That is from Alex to

629
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.559
be all right and can you read that to the jury.

630
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.679
Finally getting some movements? Still a ways to go, doing good?

631
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.480
Was just thinking about and thought i'd check in. Hope

632
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:32.199
to see you soon.

633
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.000
Still a ways to go, is what he said. Yes,

634
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.440
at that point in time, did you tell you there

635
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:46.920
are already been two recoveries in the case. No, go into

636
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:49.000
this last text? What is that? Who is that? From?

637
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:49.519
That?

638
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:53.559
Is from me back to Alex responding to his text?

639
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.239
All right, and what is what does it say? Cool?

640
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:56.840
Thanks?

641
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:01.119
Around this point in time, it's where in the spring

642
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.000
late spring of twenty twenty one, had you become aware

643
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.760
of any media reporting about there actually being a settlement

644
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:09.960
in your mother's case?

645
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.079
Yes, nobody sent me a text or something famed of

646
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.239
illegal document, but I can't remember who sent it to me.

647
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.719
All right, you can't remember who sent it to you?

648
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:20.800
Yes, that's great.

649
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.239
Did that cause you to reach out to the defendant

650
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:26.880
and ask the status of the case?

651
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:27.400
Yes?

652
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:30.519
Do you remember roughly when that was?

653
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.519
I believe in June?

654
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.840
Okay, and you do you remember if that was before

655
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.480
or after the murders in this particular case, I.

656
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.400
Believe that lived after.

657
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.519
Have you seen some records, since you're uh, since the

658
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:46.039
previous time.

659
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.639
I'm talking about this previous to the call.

660
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.000
Now, would you periodically reach out to the defendant and

661
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:54.280
get updates about the case?

662
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:54.880
Yes?

663
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.159
And you had family reach out and ask you to

664
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.320
get updates because of reading things in the meat. Is

665
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:00.800
that correct?

666
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:01.679
That is great?

667
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.159
And you had conversations with him in June of twenty

668
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.440
twenty one. Yes. How often would you talk to the defendant?

669
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.000
Three to four times a year sometime? I believe I

670
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.840
can recall every few months.

671
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:17.880
Would you talk by phone or would you talk by text?

672
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.039
For both both?

673
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:21.199
And when you would talk to him, would you ask

674
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:22.440
about the status of your case?

675
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:22.840
Yes?

676
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:24.719
At each time you talk to him, what did he

677
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.400
say it was making progress, making progress, it was a

678
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:33.079
hard case or not? Yes? Did he ever tell you

679
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.039
about how much money he might be able to get for.

680
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.679
You the goal? Would you get one hundred thousand apiece

681
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:39.440
from me and my brother?

682
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.920
At any time over the years, did he ever tell

683
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.519
you that there had already been a recovery in the case. Now,

684
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.480
at any time over the years, did he mention anything

685
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.039
about having a five million dollar umbrella policy?

686
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:54.760
Now?

687
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.639
At any time did he ever pay you one penny.

688
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:04.000
Now, you.

689
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.960
Testified earlier that you became the personal representative. Is that right?

690
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:10.719
That is great?

691
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:13.840
Why were you the personal representative and not your brother?

692
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.360
Because my brother is the vulnerable adult, meaning he had

693
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:22.239
the disability that my brother he the vulnerable adults. He's

694
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.360
not evil with the unfunction of the normal human being

695
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:26.320
to bed him stuff like that.

696
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.519
He's a vulnerable adult.

697
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:27.800
Yes.

698
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:34.719
After the murders happened at some point after that, it's

699
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.159
did you go seek or did you and your family

700
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.880
go seek additional representation about this? Now?

701
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:41.920
Yes?

702
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:43.920
And who did y'all eventually go.

703
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:47.199
To my aunt and my uncle went to Mark Tinsley

704
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:48.360
and then they that's the area.

705
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.800
When are you aware of there being a confession of

706
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:59.079
judgment in your case against the defendant for those missing recoveries?

707
00:37:59.679 --> 00:37:59.880
Yes?

708
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.280
And you're aware there's a confession of judgment in that case. Yes,

709
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.440
that you have to file a claim against the defendant

710
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.519
for those two recoveries you never got for your mom's case. Yes,

711
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:11.880
And I'm gonna show you three fifty two. You're not

712
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:16.280
a lawyer, are you? No? And you have you read

713
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.199
all that all that legal stuff in there? Yes? All right,

714
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.559
But this has been something that you're aware of that

715
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.079
occurred in your case. Is that correct?

716
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:24.840
That is correct?

717
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:32.079
And ultimately there's a confession of judgments in the case.

718
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:33.559
Do you know how much it is right there?

719
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:40.440
Four million, three hundred and five thousand dollars.

720
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.519
And is that for three point eight million dollars for

721
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.199
one of them, yes, and for five hundred and five

722
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:48.599
thousand dollars for the other recovery.

723
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:48.880
Yes.

724
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:54.239
When the defendant came to you around the time of

725
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:57.840
your mom's funeral and said he was going to help

726
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:02.400
you and file a claim on your behalf, why did

727
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.119
you agree to that? Cause?

728
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.760
I trust its appropriate.

729
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.639
Your name is Tony, yes, sir, they call you Tony

730
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:12.800
rather than mister Satterfield.

731
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:17.840
Absolutely, and just make us a little quicker.

732
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:19.760
I mean, your name and my name. It might add

733
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:20.800
a little bit of this Crouse.

734
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.159
So, uh, let me ask you a few questions about

735
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.920
your mother's death. And I apologize if in any way

736
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.400
this brings back bad memories.

737
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:36.159
I apologize.

738
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:41.360
Y'all followed a lawsuit or made a claim against I mean,

739
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:42.360
basically Al.

740
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:47.440
Told you he would be the defendant, you'd be suing him, right, yes, okay?

741
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:50.199
And it was based on some dogs tripping your mom

742
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:51.480
as she was going down the stairs.

743
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:52.039
Is that right?

744
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.360
That's what they said, Yes okay.

745
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.119
But the only person that that represented dogs tripped your

746
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:03.159
mother going down on the stairs it was Alex right, yes, okay,

747
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.920
So without his assertion, I mean, if she just fell

748
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.039
down the stairs, there'd be no lawsuit.

749
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.880
Right, Yes, that's okay.

750
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:15.960
I'm sorry, not a lawyer, he would accept my representations.

751
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:17.920
If she just fell down the stairs of her on

752
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.199
her own, it would be no one to blame for.

753
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:24.079
That, right all right, I don't undertake it.

754
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:27.880
It's okay, strike it, withdraw it. It's going down a

755
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:32.119
rabbit hole. Don't need to do that. So let me

756
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.519
ask you this during this process. You're a lawyer.

757
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.119
For the record, he told you it was Corey Fleming, right, yes,

758
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:40.760
and that's that was your lawyer.

759
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.440
Well, dolls, Marat. They were all a team.

760
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:48.159
A team the person being sued again, and you're not

761
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:50.519
sophisticated on this was.

762
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.920
Part of the team to get you a recovery.

763
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:54.760
Yes, okay.

764
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.719
Now there's a guy named Chad Westerndorf.

765
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.039
He was with a bank, right, yes, and he was

766
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.360
actually the pr he took over and it was his

767
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:06.360
job to make.

768
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:08.119
Sure y'all got your money right?

769
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:08.679
Yes?

770
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:10.159
Did you ever meet with him?

771
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:10.800
Yes?

772
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:12.079
And what did he say?

773
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:13.960
Like one time it was just a sign to pay

774
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.800
work to be pr right.

775
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.360
And did you ever call him and say, what's going

776
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:19.079
on with my case?

777
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:19.519
Now?

778
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.000
Did you ever call Corey Fleming and ask what's going

779
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:29.119
on with my case? And let me make sure I

780
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.199
understand your testimony? You've got some notice of something in

781
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.880
the paper. And at some point after June seventh you

782
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.639
had either a phone call or a text or an

783
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.840
email with Alec Murdau asking.

784
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.159
Him what's going on? Right?

785
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:43.800
Yes?

786
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:44.639
Now?

787
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.320
And again we see a series of phone calls on.

788
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:53.119
June twenty second, Yeah, right, where you all were talking

789
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.360
about this. Yes, But was there anything on June seventh

790
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.159
or prior to June seventh where you a Q used

791
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.679
him of anything?

792
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:04.000
Okay?

793
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:14.880
Now after you became aware of well, we saw just

794
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:20.079
a moment ago a confession of judgment where Alc Murdaw

795
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.039
admitted that he owed you.

796
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.599
Three million. Not get this wrong, where's the confession?

797
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:30.840
There is.

798
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:35.440
Four million, three hundred and five thousand.

799
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.320
Is that right to judgment?

800
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:37.760
Yes?

801
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.519
Okay, but you hired a lawyer.

802
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:49.400
Exerious Eric willyanfine aware, and he actually sued mister Murdaw's

803
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.280
firm and some other folks and got you six point

804
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:53.840
five million dollars.

805
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:56.880
Right, yes, or not that I'm aware of. Pardon me,

806
00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.159
not that I'm aware of, the only thing I'm aware

807
00:42:59.199 --> 00:42:59.920
of the judgment.

808
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.239
So mister Bland didn't tell you about the six point

809
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:07.800
five million?

810
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.760
Yes, okay, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to make sure

811
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:16.719
you're not repeating yourself here. And so you.

812
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:20.440
Actually recovered six point five million, which would be a

813
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.480
couple million dollars more than you would have gotten had

814
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:32.199
you received the money that Alex took, right, Ah, yes, okay,

815
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:34.480
you've been made more than whole.

816
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:35.360
For that loss.

817
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:36.719
Uh.

818
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:39.440
Yes, two million more than you would have gotten had

819
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.880
he not taken your money, right yeah?

820
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:45.199
Okay? Well, one last question is this.

821
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.480
On June seventh, Prior to June seventh, Prior to June eighth,

822
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.840
had you ever threatened Alex Murdoll with.

823
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.480
Exposure I can reviewed you question again.

824
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:07.920
Prior to June eighth, twenty twenty one, did you ever

825
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:11.360
threaten Alec Murdoll saying I know you stole my money.

826
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.599
Where's my money? You know, I know you've got the money.

827
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:16.719
Did he did you threaten him in any way?

828
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:17.119
Now?

829
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:24.159
Okay, thank you. I have no further question.

830
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.480
These were texts that you had about the case, is

831
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:27.960
that right?

832
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:28.760
Yes?

833
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:29.800
And when did those occur?

834
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.719
Do the occurred in the spring in April of twenty

835
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:34.159
twenty one?

836
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.800
April of twenty twenty one, and there had been media

837
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.320
reporting about there being a settlement in this particular case,

838
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:41.920
even though you hadn't received any money.

839
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:42.400
Yes.

840
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.199
Did you have periodic conversations with the defendant over the

841
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.679
course of time, yes? And would you ask him about

842
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:49.079
the case?

843
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.320
Yes, and he would tell you what it's a hard

844
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.840
case or it's a work in progress.

845
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:59.440
After all this happened, have you come to find out

846
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:02.159
that the defense it took all of your money? Yes,

847
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:04.599
and that's what led to that confessional judgment.

848
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:05.079
Yes.

849
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:12.719
Did he though ever pay you one cent? Now? You

850
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.320
were asked about Corey Fleming and I think you said

851
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:17.199
they were all a team?

852
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:17.800
Is that right?

853
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:18.360
Yes?

854
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.119
At its core, who did you consider was your lawyer

855
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:23.119
for your mom's case?

856
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:23.559
Alex?

857
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:27.119
Thank that.

858
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:33.360
So, what was Alex mrdall's reasoning for lying about being

859
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:39.119
at the Mozelle property? And speaking to Gloria Sadderfield. Well,

860
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:43.280
according to Alex, again, he's wanting to make sure they

861
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.480
got the insurance money. And he knew if he said

862
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:50.480
he was there, and that Glorious Sadderfield actually told him

863
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.559
told him that she tripped over a bunch of dogs.

864
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.960
Did he knew those boys would be paid? That's his

865
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.719
story right, Well, no, that's bullshit. He did get a

866
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.599
check and he still didn't pay him anything. Now, of course,

867
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:10.199
considering everything that has transpired since that fall, the question

868
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:16.000
on most people's minds are what happened to Gloria. And

869
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.880
there were a lot of people that thought Paul may

870
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:23.199
have killed her due to his bad temper. And I'm

871
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.559
going to say that her fall, in my opinion, was

872
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:34.800
completely legit. I don't believe she tripped over dogs. I

873
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.280
think she just tripped over the steps and hit her head.

874
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:41.519
No one will ever know for sure. Both Paul and

875
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:45.280
Maggie are dead and they were the only two at

876
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.360
the house and they were both sleeping apparently when it happened.

877
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.719
And Alex murdaal he actually did have an alibi that

878
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:56.840
they found out. They had people that saw him at

879
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.360
work that day during that time, so they know he

880
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.519
didn't do it. And it was also well known that

881
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:08.519
Paul absolutely loved Gloria Saderfield and he considered her like

882
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:14.719
a second mother to him. Even her son's attorney says that,

883
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.480
So I just think Alex Mardall saw this as an

884
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.920
opportunity to get a lot of money and steal it

885
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.280
from these people and keep it for himself. It's so sick,

886
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:28.719
and I want to read you this before we close

887
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.599
out this episode. And this was at the Alex Mardall

888
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:35.400
trial and prior to the sentencing. They allow families of

889
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:39.760
victims or victims sometimes if they're still alive, to read

890
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:45.920
what's known as a victim impact statement, and Glorias Saderfield's sister,

891
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:52.840
Ginger had one said this at Alex Mardall's sentencing. She said,

892
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.880
Gloria worked very hard for you for twenty years. She

893
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:02.280
loved Buster and Paul as their own. She loved Maggie

894
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:08.119
and she trusted you wholeheartedly, and you betrayed her. I

895
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:12.920
will never understand how you were able to profit from

896
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:17.039
her death. We will never be able to understand that.

897
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.840
Then she turned and she looked Murdall right in the eyes,

898
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.199
y'all and she said, do you have a soul? I

899
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:29.320
don't understand it, but I thank god I don't understand it,

900
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.440
because maybe I would be in the same position as you.

901
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:39.239
And there you have it, and things are just heating

902
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:48.920
up for Murdall. We're going to bring you back in

903
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:53.559
the next episode to just a short time after the

904
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:57.079
double murders at Mozille of Maggie and Paul, and we're

905
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:05.960
going to work straight through and chronologic order. Please continue

906
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.760
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907
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911
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