“Murdaugh" Episode Six | The Betrayal of Gloria Satterfield

0:10 Shortly after the double murders at Mozelle, Steven Smith's murder became front page news, with national media picking up on the story. It was that story that led to the discovery of yet another strange death at Mozelle, this one involving the mrdall's longtime housekeeper, Gloria Sadderfield, whose fall on the property caused a traumatic brain injury that led to her death. The national media scrambled once again and rumors began flying about the tragic death of Gloria Sadderfield not being caused by what was originally reported. At the center of this death was Alex Murdall, who testified and lied about his involvement in the tragic incident at Mozelle in an effort to hide a secret that would come out several years later. Welcome to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite.

1:29 Murdall Episode six, the Death of Gloria Saderfield. Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman. We are jumping right into this sixth up in the Murdall series. And when we last left you, police were investigating that double murder at Mozelle. In the national media, they have picked up that story on Steven Smith. I told you all those details, and it was shortly after the national media they started digging and they discovered another incident at the Mozille property that involved a death, and that was the Murdall's longtime housekeeper, Gloria Sadderfield. So I'm going to give you the details of that, and we're going to start with the nine to one one call that occurred on February second of twenty eighteen. So I'm going to play that nine to one one call for you, and keep in mind you're gonna hear two voices. Those two voices you're gonna hear making that call and talking to that nine to one one dispatcher or Maggie Murdall and Paul Murdall. So here's what that nine one one call sounded light.

3:06 To me. Now, my longs yourmers? Okay, uh four one four seven Bazell Roads. Hey, can you give me the address? I'm going to say that a right, yes. Four one four seven Bozell Roads. Okay, let's go out there. I'm sorry, what's going on there? My housekeeper has fallen and her head is leading. I cannot get her up. Okay. And you said she's fallen, she's leading from the hiding. Yes, okay. How old is she? I'm not sure, like fifty eight? Maybe you know she saw from the standing or not? No, where she saw from from.

3:53 The she fell going up the steps of the brick steps. Okay, so she out better inside outside? Okay? How many steps is there? Eight? Okay? If she on the ground or she you know, she's on the ground. She's on the ground. She's on the conscious but no, not really. Is she awake at all? Yes, okay, if she's just not like responding appropriately, But she is awake, man, she's not she's not responding. Okay. I just I've already got them on the way and he asks him questions, does not sew them down.

4:38 Man. Knowing if she's conscious is one of the things that the medic needs to know. If she's responding at all to you? No, okay, So she's not responded at all. Well, I mean she's mumbling. Okay, so she is somewhat conscious. Is she breathing okay? Yes? Is she bleeding from anywhere? Yes? Her head? Hey, are you guys able to control the bleeding? Can you put the cream rag or anything on it? Yeah? Okay? Is she bleeding from like her feet? The back of the head? Got an ambulance coming for the name was? Where exactly is she bleeding from? My head?

5:21 I'm not sure? At the top of her head? Okay? All right? Damn what happened? She just fell back down? Can I get off this stone? Can I have your name the phone number? Or are you able to bring this one down by her? What are you on a cell phone where you can walk down there? Okay? Can you bring it with you so we can ask her some questions about what kind of pain she's having. That's hella.

6:07 Yeah. Can you ask the patial what kind of tain she's having? Then she can't tell? Okay? Do you know she's crapped her head. And there's blood on the concrete, and she breathed out of her left ear. Okay, she's bleeding out of her ear. And out of her head. She's school okay, all right. The other lady said that she had tried to stand up and fell down again. No, she's I was holding her up, okay. She told me to turn her listen. She's trying to his own but then she fell back over. Okay. Do you guys know who she is? Yes? She works for Okay, do you know she's never had a stroke or anything before? Man? Can you stop them on the way? I already have them on the way, and me asking questions does not slow them down in any way. These are relevant questions that I have to ask for the ambulance. One of my questions is has she ever had a stroke?

7:01 I don't believe she's ever had a sertain. Now that I know that. Okay. Is she able to talk to you that good? All? Or is she unconscious? Now? She's not unconscious, she's just mumbling. Okay. I believe she's maybe hit her head and that maybe the other. Team cushion or something. Do you know what her name is? Gloria sadder Field? He said, Sanderfield. Man, you said Sanderfield. Back to a. Field, goa. Okay, what's the house is like out there? It's it's a it's off set off the roads. Okay, it's a big house. Gonna want a driveway with a long driveway?

7:41 Yeah? Is there a date or anything down there that need. Get big brick columns on her to come through? Okay, But there's no like date coote or anything that they need. No man, they can look for her from on a six five six ranger okay, waiting on them in his dream. You know what that they probably know what the ranger looks like. Yeah, he said, dot on a black whatever, okay, I paint. Okay, all right. If if something changes with her, if she was a consciousness or anything like that, I need one of you guys, call me back right away, okay.

8:24 Okay, Well how about how long would we go to take for this kick. Up that I don't know. I've got him on the way since because Maggie first called me, they were toned right away. Okay, all right, but they're I think they're coming. I don't hang in one minute. Let me check. They're coming from somewhere on Belt Highway and repping okay after their station is thank you all right, But like I said, if something changes, call me back, okay. So, ambulances arrive, the police arrive, and sadly, Gloria Saderfield never regains consciousness and she dies from her injuries three weeks later. This was on February twenty six of twenty eighteen, so immediately following her death, Alec Myrdall actually at the funeral of Gloria Sadderfield. He recommends to her two sons that they hire his friend and fellow attorney, Corey Fleming, to represent them in bringing a wrongful death claim against him. Now, of course, anytime you have insurance companies get involved, they have their own investigators they want to bring out. They want to make sure there's no fraud taking place and that they have their bases covered right, because especially in a situation like this, they're gonna have to pay out

9:55 a lot of money. You had a death involved. It was a reporter as a slip and fall. So Alex, Maggie and Paul Murdall, they all have to speak to insurance investigators and give a deposition on their sides of what happened. Now. Alex claimed Maggie called him after finding Glorious Sadderfield in a pull of blood on their front steps. Now, Saderfield was allegedly at the family's home at that time to pick up a paycheck. Paul and Maggie Murdall they also speak to the investigators and give a deposition, and they both say that they were asleep at the time of her arrival and Maggie Murdall said that she heard the dogs barking outside in what she referred to as an unusual tone. So she goes outside and she finds Glorious Sadderfield on her back with her head toward the bottom of the steps, bleeding from a head wound. She also said that the doll were walking near Glorious Sadderfield, so that was her statement of events of what happened.

11:07 Paul coroborated that in his statements, he also mentioned that Glorias Sadderfield, the housekeeper, was airlifted to Trident Hospital, and of course she knew that she later died as I told you. So they talked to Alex, and Alex's version is Maggie called him and told him what happened. He went to the house and he even claimed to talk to Glorias Saddfield at that time and that she knew where she was, she knew who he was, but she was obviously not functioning at full capacity. So the investigator at that point he asked Alex mrdall, well did she tell you what happened to her? And Alex Merdall said that she indicated that the dogs caused her to fall and hit her head. So that was the story that they gave in that deposition in twenty eighteen. So let's talk about the sons of Gloria Saderfield. And look, these are country people, y'all. They're hardworking country people. They're not people that would be up on the law. They're not people that deal with a whole lot of lawyers. So they have a lot of trust, right, they have a lot of trust in these lawyers that represent them. Alex goes to one of the sons at his mom's funeral of all places, and he says, I'm going to take care of you, etc. And they trusted that because you've got to remember their mother worked for Alex Murdall for

12:40 a very long time, and so they followed his lead. In time passed and I'm talking a lot of time, and they saw no money. And the son of Gloria Ciderfield, he would follow up with Alex Murdall like once every three months or so and say, hey, how's the case going. And Alex wasn't representing him personally, Alex's best friend was representing him. But in his eyes, Alex was representing He was pulling the strings right, and he would just delay this son. Every time he would check in and say, oh, we're still working on it, it's getting closer, et cetera. Now, what that family didn't realize was that behind the scenes, both of those lawyers had been paid. Now, while Alex was not technically representing them by law, he couldn't effectively.

13:34 He was. I mean, his bestie was representing them, and that pretty much means Alex was representing them. And that's how that family looked at it. To be honest, they didn't communicate with the other lawyer very much. So there were two policies involved. One was from Nautilus Insurance Company and the other was a smaller policy if you want to call it a small policy. It was five hundred and five thousand dollars, but it was from Lloyd's of London, now Nautilus. They investigated the claim for a year and many of the investigators thought something doesn't smell right with that claim, and they would comment on that in the filings. But eventually it goes through mediation and they end up paying out three point eight million dollars in a settlement on March twenty second of twenty nineteen in Lloyd's of London.

14:31 They also paid out the smaller but like I said, by no means small policy of five hundred and five thousand dollars. Now, bringing you back to just a little while after the murders of Maggie and Paul, the national media they pick up on the Sadderfield story, just like they did the Steven Smith's story, and all that attention leads to the fact that Corey Fleming paid from the insurance companies. However, the sons of Glorious Sadderfield see this and they're like, what the fuck? We have never gotten a dime. At that point, they had never gotten a dime.

15:13 And now you're into twenty twenty one. All that time and these poor kids of Glorious Sadderfields had not seen one red cent. So what do you think happens? Well, nat Ailess Insurance they must follow breaking news because they see this, which right away they know this has got to be a massive fraud because they did pay it out, but these kids are claiming they never got it. And not only that, but they know that Alex mrdall lied about ever being on the property when Glorious Saderfield had fell.

15:54 They find out he never even talked to her. None of that, and he testified in that deposition that he did, and that was a big part of it, a big part of the reason that they paid out on that policy. So that's a big problem. And they also know there's a problem for them, possibly because if that family was not paid, it could open them up to something. Now, it would not stick in court because they could prove that they paid it and the lawyer was the one in the wrong, but it's still a concern. It's still bad price. So they file suit and I got that suit here and I'm going to go over it with you quickly regarding Nautilus versus Alex Murdall, and it says this dispute arises from an incident that occurred on February second, twenty eighteen, where Miss Glorious Satterfield, the Murdall's family longtime housekeeper, suffered a traumatic brain injury after or falling at defendant Alex Murdall's Mozielle property. Per Murdall, miss Satterfield was tripped by his dogs while collecting a check for work performed for someone else. Miss Sadterfield passed away from her injuries on February twenty six of twenty eighteen, leaving behind two sons, and let me stop right there and tell you why it says she was picking up a check for someone else.

17:24 Alex Murdall came out later on and said, well, I was worried that the kids wouldn't be paid out if I said that she was picking up a check for herself or working on the property during that time. So I made that up because the way my insurance reads, it has to be basically like an innocent bystander, y'all. It can't be someone that works for him or is in the capacity of working when the accident occurred. Something to do with that policy. So I just wanted to explain that quickly. Now we'll move on. Upon Miss Satterfield's passing, Murdau offered to assist her sons in making a recovery against him under the Moseelle property's liability policy. Murdau arranged for his longtime friend and former law partner, Corey Fleming to represent the estate, and for vice president of PSB, which is a bank, Chad Westendorf, to serve as the estate's personal representative. Nautilus opened an investigation into the claim in March twentieth of twenty eighteen, notwithstanding the hesitations voiced within Nautilus. Over the course of a year long investigation, Nautilus settled the Satterfield's estate claim for three point eight million dollars following a mediation held on March twenty second of twenty nineteen. And then they referenced the Nautilus's adjuster writing quote the Lloyd's adjuster and I believe this claim

18:56 is very questionable unquote. But on April twenty second of twenty nineteen, Nautilusts delivered a settlement check to Fleming, made payable to Chad Westendorf as a personal representative of the estate of Glorious Satterfield and Moss Kune and Fleming Attorney. In a cover letter, Nautilusts requested that Fleming hold the settlement funds in trust until the petition and order approving the settlement had been signed and filed by a probate court in a settlement hearing. And that's common, especially with that amount of money, So they send that check off, etc. Now it says the parties agreed to hold the settlement hearing before circuit court rather than probate court. Only Westendorf and Fleming were president at the hearing before Judge Mullen, as John Grantlin, the council retained by Nautilus on behalf of Murdaw, appeared at the wrong courthouse.

19:52 Oh my gosh. Mullen approved and signed the settlement order in the hearing, but did not file the order at Fleming's request. Following the hearing, Fleming mailed the original signed order to Grantland and contends he believed Grantlin would file the order at a later date. Fleming then executed a two million, nine hundred and fifty one thousand, nine hundred and thirty one dollars and ninety five cent check made payable to the trust account from Moss and Kune at Myrdall's instruction, and delivered the check to Myrdall, so three million dollars basically. Fleming testified he believed Merdall had created account in the name of the Sadderfield heirs, and in fact Merdall had opened a personal bank account at Bank of America under the name of Forge, which was a company that he created specifically for this check. It was a fake It was a shell company, right, a fake company, and the name of it was Forge. How's that for arrogance. He did that on purpose, so he named it forged to facilitate the theft of the funds. Over the course of the scheme, Fleming dispersed get this, three million, four hundred and eighty three thousand dollars and forty one cents to that account at Murdall's direction. The Cadderfield heirs did not

21:24 receive any of the Nautilus's settlement funds. So as you heard me, just tell you. Obviously, with Corey Fleming involved in this, we don't only have Alex Murdall as a total piece of shit, but his bestie Corey Fleming, also a total piece of shit. And we also have Chad Western Dwarf, the guy at the bank that was supposed to be ever seeing all this as a total piece of shit. Now they all work together to basically fuck over this family whose mother died. It's absolutely disgusting. And I'm gonna play a clip for you right now. And this clip is featuring the testimony of Michael Saderfield. He's known as Tony and he was the oldest son and kind of in charge of speaking for the family. And I'm gonna let one thing out of the bag that probably everybody knows by now, and that is that Alex Murdall did face criminal charges in the murder of Maggie and Paul. And I have to tell you that because that is where this clip came from. So here it is.

22:38 And I promise you when you're done hearing this, you will absolutely hate Alex Murdall more than you probably already do, if that's possible. And just a quick note before you listen to this. The first attorney you hear that's gonna be the prosecutor, and then he is followed up by the defense attorney. My name is Michael Tyder Pield. My last name is spelled f A T T E R f I E l D. Mister Stuffield, how you doing today? God? Here are you? I'm good? Tell the jury just a little bit about yourself. Where'd you grow up? And? Uh, you know, what do you do for a living? I grew up in Hampton and a living b front and I work at the Pretmorial Hospital.

23:21 Okay, awesome, core reporters taking stuff down there. I'm really known for talking fast too, but let's let's slow it down so they can they can get everything down. Uh, you grew up in hamp and you said yes, and uh, you said where'd you work be for Memorial? Okay? What do you do there? Work in the e R? How long have you been working there a little over five years? Okay? And where did you work anywhere? A part of that? I did? And where'd you work the pharmacy? Pharmacy? H who's your mom? Gloria Cyderfield Glorious out? And does your mom still well?

24:02 Us? She's not? And when did she pass? February twenty sixth, twenty eighteen. And do you have a sibling? I do? And what's his name? Brian? Right? Uh? Where'd your mom pass in the hospital? Did something happen to her? Yes? Tell the jury what happened to her? She had a trip and ball? And where did that occur? I'm not sure that dank date that occurred? But where I'm sorry, at Modell in Collington County, Okay. Was she working for the Murdoch family? She was? And what did she do for them? She was their housekeeper, babysat for them and anything else they needed.

24:44 Maybe sad whatever they need? Yes, housekeeper. How long did she work for. Them a little over twenty years? I'm not sure to dank them out. Twenty years during that time? Did you get to know the Murdoch family did? Did you get to know the defendant Alec Murdoch? I did. Do you see him here in the courtroom today? I do? Can you point him out to the for the jury? Can the record reflected to know father defendant? Your mom worked for this family for twenty years babysitting, she helped raise the children. Yes.

25:25 Did you get to know Maggie a little bit? Yes? Did you get to know Paul or Buster at all. A little bit? Yes? And you got to know Alec? Yes. You said your mom had a trip and fall at Mozille at their property. Yes, and. She go to the hospital yes. Was she ever able to tell you how she tripped or anything like that? How long was she in the hospital before she passed away? Give and take four or five weeks somewhere up in there.

26:08 After she passed away? Did you was there a funeral? Yes? And after the funeral did people go to somebody's house and visit like people do? Yes? At any point in time during that funeral or thereabouts, did you have a conversation with the defendant? Yes? And what. Objecting to questions by mister water that respond with a yes or no. Those are typically leading questions. And not that I'm concerned about these questions. I just don't want my lack of objections to lead to somebody's belief that he can ask questions that respond with a yes or no nice toward us.

26:54 I think my question did not suggest the answers said, did you have a conversation? And my next question was what was that conversation? If I remember correctly, I'm gonna kind of take care. Of your boys and kind of you know, he's gonna do what I'm sorry, take care of your boys, all right? Did he say how he was going to do that partially? Yes? What did he say he was gonna finally claim against an interurn company? He's gonna what finally claim against his inchurch company. His insurance company? Yes? Did he say how much coverage there was? Like five hundred and five thousand I believe five. Hundred and five thousand? Yes?

27:35 And did he say anything about how much money you may receive? The goal was to get me and my brother Brian at least one hundred thousand dollars of the piece. And did did any other bills need to be taken care of. The medical bills for who my mom? When he told you that, did you agree to do that? Yes? Did you view the defendant as your lawyer? Yes? Did you go and meet with him about it? Yes?

28:17 Did he tell you about what to do with any paperwork you may. Receive, any paperwork or build or anything descend into him? Did you agree to let the defendant go forward with this claim? Yes? And I'm gonna i'd asked you whether or not what he told you to do about paperwork, and I'm gonna show you Westburn mark this exhibit three seventy two to your testimony. Do you recognize that? Yes? Tell the jury what that is? Please? This is the cover sheet that I sent him with I believe behind the legal hospital building some kind of other one paperwork. Okay, So you have received some paperwork in the mail? Yes? And did you can write this? I didn't? And who'd you send this to Alex?

28:58 Tim or not? And tell the jury quickly what this is about? Can you see it on the screen. I can bring it back to you if you do. Okay, So this is a coverag sheet that attached to the documents that I sent Alex. Okay, and what kind of documents. Do you remember what kind of they were? One with the hospital bill and one was from the trailer company I believe, I don't recall exactly what it was. The trailer company for who? My mom in the hospital bill for who? Yes, my mom? And you send these to him because they were relevant to the case. Yes. At any point in time, did you, as this case was developing, did you go and meet with the defendant of his office?

29:40 Yes? Did you have any paperwork for you? Yes? Did you get you to sign some paperwork? Yes? Did you become the personal representative of your mom's estate? I did? And who gave you the paperwork to sign for that? Alex? When you signed that paperwork? Were you aware that there had already benefit at some point in time, did Alex say he wanted to involve another lawyer? Yes? And who was that? Corey Fleming?

30:21 And what did he tell you about that? If I understood it correctly, I'm going to send you to Corey Fleming, my friend, because I can't go. You know, do you claim you get my funk? It would be a conflict of interest, That's how I understood it. And did you ultimately meet with Corey Fleming? Yes. How many times did you meet. With it, if I recall correctly, maybe once. Or twice over the course of this case. If you had a question, who would you call? Alex? At some point did the defendant, Alec have a conversation with you about letting someone else be PR?

31:01 Yes? And what was that conversation? That I should let somebody else be PR because based on the businessman and it would be hard for the interest to go up against somebody like that, Okay? And who told you that, Alex? And what did you say to that? Yes? All right? And who was did somebody else get involved at this point? Yes? And who was that? The PR? Chad Lessendorf? At that point in time, did you sign any paperwork for him to become PR? Chad? All right? And who brought you that paperwork? I believe I signed it to al as the officer that I went to the bank, I can't recall. And at that point in time were you aware of any recovery.

31:44 In the case? Now? Did Alick tell you there had been a recovery of five hundred five thousand dollars already in the case at that time? Now? Did he ever tell you that had been a recovery of five hundred and five thousand dollars at that time? Now, was there a recovery at that time of five hundred five thousand dollars? You come to find. Out later on? Later on you found out, yes? And did he ever pay you one dime? No? Who was the pr that the defendant talk to you about in pointing instead of you Chad with Did you ever meet with them? Yes, late once or twenty Did he ever tell you about a five hundred and five thousand dollars settlement that already occurred? No?

32:25 Did the defendant ever tell you that he also had a five million dollar umbrella policy? No? Did he ever tell you that there had been a recovery against that? No? Did he ever tell you that I had been a recovery for three point eight million dollars against that? No? Did he ever pay you one penny of three point eight million dollars? Now, as the months went on and moving into the early part of June twenty twenty one, would you periodically have conversations with ELEC about the case? Yes? How often do you think you would talk? Every three to four months, give and take, And.

33:05 You recall what ELEC would tell you about the case. Yes, First to start off, you know, the hard case, and then is making progress? Say that again? At first it started off as it was going to be a hard case, and then it turned into we're making progress. You're making progress. Yes? And what had the defendant told you about the most that you could recover? What did he tell you at least nothing? Do you recognize that this on the screen right now? Yes? And who's that text from Alex? And who is it to me? And can you reach you the jury? What that text says? It says, hey man, just checking in, been working on case and made me think about you. Hope, Paul is good?

33:47 Call me anytime I can help. And what was the date of that texte? At twelve forty seven? All right, I'm gonna go to this next one. Do you reconnize is that text? Yes? And who is that from? That is from me to Alex responding to his text? All right, and to read that text to the jury once. You sent on that text says hey man, I'm doing good. By the way, how is the case going? Just curious? But how are you show you. This next text? Do you recognize that? Yes? And who is that from? That is from Alex to be all right and can you read that to the jury. Finally getting some movements? Still a ways to go, doing good?

34:28 Was just thinking about and thought i'd check in. Hope to see you soon. Still a ways to go, is what he said. Yes, at that point in time, did you tell you there are already been two recoveries in the case. No, go into this last text? What is that? Who is that? From? That? Is from me back to Alex responding to his text? All right, and what is what does it say? Cool? Thanks? Around this point in time, it's where in the spring late spring of twenty twenty one, had you become aware of any media reporting about there actually being a settlement in your mother's case?

35:10 Yes, nobody sent me a text or something famed of illegal document, but I can't remember who sent it to me. All right, you can't remember who sent it to you? Yes, that's great. Did that cause you to reach out to the defendant and ask the status of the case? Yes? Do you remember roughly when that was? I believe in June? Okay, and you do you remember if that was before or after the murders in this particular case, I. Believe that lived after. Have you seen some records, since you're uh, since the previous time. I'm talking about this previous to the call. Now, would you periodically reach out to the defendant and get updates about the case?

35:54 Yes? And you had family reach out and ask you to get updates because of reading things in the meat. Is that correct? That is great? And you had conversations with him in June of twenty twenty one. Yes. How often would you talk to the defendant? Three to four times a year sometime? I believe I can recall every few months. Would you talk by phone or would you talk by text? For both both? And when you would talk to him, would you ask about the status of your case? Yes? At each time you talk to him, what did he say it was making progress, making progress, it was a hard case or not? Yes? Did he ever tell you about how much money he might be able to get for.

36:36 You the goal? Would you get one hundred thousand apiece from me and my brother? At any time over the years, did he ever tell you that there had already been a recovery in the case. Now, at any time over the years, did he mention anything about having a five million dollar umbrella policy? Now? At any time did he ever pay you one penny. Now, you. Testified earlier that you became the personal representative. Is that right? That is great? Why were you the personal representative and not your brother? Because my brother is the vulnerable adult, meaning he had the disability that my brother he the vulnerable adults. He's not evil with the unfunction of the normal human being to bed him stuff like that.

37:26 He's a vulnerable adult. Yes. After the murders happened at some point after that, it's did you go seek or did you and your family go seek additional representation about this? Now? Yes? And who did y'all eventually go. To my aunt and my uncle went to Mark Tinsley and then they that's the area. When are you aware of there being a confession of judgment in your case against the defendant for those missing recoveries? Yes? And you're aware there's a confession of judgment in that case. Yes, that you have to file a claim against the defendant for those two recoveries you never got for your mom's case. Yes, And I'm gonna show you three fifty two. You're not a lawyer, are you? No? And you have you read all that all that legal stuff in there? Yes? All right, But this has been something that you're aware of that occurred in your case. Is that correct?

38:24 That is correct? And ultimately there's a confession of judgments in the case. Do you know how much it is right there? Four million, three hundred and five thousand dollars. And is that for three point eight million dollars for one of them, yes, and for five hundred and five thousand dollars for the other recovery. Yes. When the defendant came to you around the time of your mom's funeral and said he was going to help you and file a claim on your behalf, why did you agree to that? Cause?

39:05 I trust its appropriate. Your name is Tony, yes, sir, they call you Tony rather than mister Satterfield. Absolutely, and just make us a little quicker. I mean, your name and my name. It might add a little bit of this Crouse. So, uh, let me ask you a few questions about your mother's death. And I apologize if in any way this brings back bad memories. I apologize. Y'all followed a lawsuit or made a claim against I mean, basically Al. Told you he would be the defendant, you'd be suing him, right, yes, okay?

39:47 And it was based on some dogs tripping your mom as she was going down the stairs. Is that right? That's what they said, Yes okay. But the only person that that represented dogs tripped your mother going down on the stairs it was Alex right, yes, okay, So without his assertion, I mean, if she just fell down the stairs, there'd be no lawsuit. Right, Yes, that's okay. I'm sorry, not a lawyer, he would accept my representations. If she just fell down the stairs of her on her own, it would be no one to blame for. That, right all right, I don't undertake it. It's okay, strike it, withdraw it. It's going down a rabbit hole. Don't need to do that. So let me ask you this during this process. You're a lawyer.

40:35 For the record, he told you it was Corey Fleming, right, yes, and that's that was your lawyer. Well, dolls, Marat. They were all a team. A team the person being sued again, and you're not sophisticated on this was. Part of the team to get you a recovery. Yes, okay. Now there's a guy named Chad Westerndorf. He was with a bank, right, yes, and he was actually the pr he took over and it was his job to make. Sure y'all got your money right? Yes? Did you ever meet with him? Yes? And what did he say? Like one time it was just a sign to pay work to be pr right.

41:16 And did you ever call him and say, what's going on with my case? Now? Did you ever call Corey Fleming and ask what's going on with my case? And let me make sure I understand your testimony? You've got some notice of something in the paper. And at some point after June seventh you had either a phone call or a text or an email with Alec Murdau asking. Him what's going on? Right? Yes? Now? And again we see a series of phone calls on. June twenty second, Yeah, right, where you all were talking about this. Yes, But was there anything on June seventh or prior to June seventh where you a Q used him of anything?

42:03 Okay? Now after you became aware of well, we saw just a moment ago a confession of judgment where Alc Murdaw admitted that he owed you. Three million. Not get this wrong, where's the confession? There is. Four million, three hundred and five thousand. Is that right to judgment? Yes? Okay, but you hired a lawyer. Exerious Eric willyanfine aware, and he actually sued mister Murdaw's firm and some other folks and got you six point five million dollars.

42:53 Right, yes, or not that I'm aware of. Pardon me, not that I'm aware of, the only thing I'm aware of the judgment. So mister Bland didn't tell you about the six point five million? Yes, okay, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to make sure you're not repeating yourself here. And so you. Actually recovered six point five million, which would be a couple million dollars more than you would have gotten had you received the money that Alex took, right, Ah, yes, okay, you've been made more than whole.

43:34 For that loss. Uh. Yes, two million more than you would have gotten had he not taken your money, right yeah? Okay? Well, one last question is this. On June seventh, Prior to June seventh, Prior to June eighth, had you ever threatened Alex Murdoll with. Exposure I can reviewed you question again. Prior to June eighth, twenty twenty one, did you ever threaten Alec Murdoll saying I know you stole my money. Where's my money? You know, I know you've got the money.

44:14 Did he did you threaten him in any way? Now? Okay, thank you. I have no further question. These were texts that you had about the case, is that right? Yes? And when did those occur? Do the occurred in the spring in April of twenty twenty one? April of twenty twenty one, and there had been media reporting about there being a settlement in this particular case, even though you hadn't received any money. Yes. Did you have periodic conversations with the defendant over the course of time, yes? And would you ask him about the case? Yes, and he would tell you what it's a hard case or it's a work in progress.

44:57 After all this happened, have you come to find out that the defense it took all of your money? Yes, and that's what led to that confessional judgment. Yes. Did he though ever pay you one cent? Now? You were asked about Corey Fleming and I think you said they were all a team? Is that right? Yes? At its core, who did you consider was your lawyer for your mom's case? Alex? Thank that. So, what was Alex mrdall's reasoning for lying about being at the Mozelle property? And speaking to Gloria Sadderfield. Well, according to Alex, again, he's wanting to make sure they got the insurance money. And he knew if he said he was there, and that Glorious Sadderfield actually told him told him that she tripped over a bunch of dogs.

45:56 Did he knew those boys would be paid? That's his story right, Well, no, that's bullshit. He did get a check and he still didn't pay him anything. Now, of course, considering everything that has transpired since that fall, the question on most people's minds are what happened to Gloria. And there were a lot of people that thought Paul may have killed her due to his bad temper. And I'm going to say that her fall, in my opinion, was completely legit. I don't believe she tripped over dogs. I think she just tripped over the steps and hit her head.

46:38 No one will ever know for sure. Both Paul and Maggie are dead and they were the only two at the house and they were both sleeping apparently when it happened. And Alex murdaal he actually did have an alibi that they found out. They had people that saw him at work that day during that time, so they know he didn't do it. And it was also well known that Paul absolutely loved Gloria Saderfield and he considered her like a second mother to him. Even her son's attorney says that, So I just think Alex Mardall saw this as an opportunity to get a lot of money and steal it from these people and keep it for himself. It's so sick, and I want to read you this before we close out this episode. And this was at the Alex Mardall trial and prior to the sentencing. They allow families of victims or victims sometimes if they're still alive, to read what's known as a victim impact statement, and Glorias Saderfield's sister, Ginger had one said this at Alex Mardall's sentencing. She said, Gloria worked very hard for you for twenty years. She loved Buster and Paul as their own. She loved Maggie and she trusted you wholeheartedly, and you betrayed her. I will never understand how you were able to profit from

48:12 her death. We will never be able to understand that. Then she turned and she looked Murdall right in the eyes, y'all and she said, do you have a soul? I don't understand it, but I thank god I don't understand it, because maybe I would be in the same position as you. And there you have it, and things are just heating up for Murdall. We're going to bring you back in the next episode to just a short time after the double murders at Mozille of Maggie and Paul, and we're going to work straight through and chronologic order. Please continue to leave those reviews if you're enjoying the show. They help more than you'll ever realize. And check us out on Patreon for a ton of extras, and until next time for exposed scandalous files.

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