"Murdaugh" Episode Seventeen | The Caregiver

0:11 Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman, and we are back with this seventeenth episode in our mrdaal series. But before we get into it, I want to shout out our newest global celebrity supporters and we are gonna start with Miss Lisa Donker. And Lisa is from Toronto, Canada, a truly global celebrity, so welcome to the global celebrity tier, Miss Lisa. Next is Katie Jensen from Chicago, Illinois, home of Michael Jordan. Thank you so much for joining, Katie. Next, we have Miss Andrea Johnson and I don't have her city in state, but I'm sure thank her for joining.

0:58 Thank you and shout out Miss Andrea. And finally I have Miss Debbie Eastman from Arlington, Texas. Go Texas Rangers, shout out, Miss Debbie. Thank you to all these new global celebrities for supporting and if you would like to check out the Patreon and support, you can find us at patreon dot com slash Exposed podcast Files. So let's get into today's episode and the focus today is going to be on the testimony of Moochelle Shelley Smith, who worked as a caregiver where Alex Murdaull's mother lived. Now, if you'll remember, murderall made an unusual visit to the house on the night of the killings. She was the one who was there. And to me, this is one of the most interesting testimonies in the entire trial. So I'm going to jump right into it, and I'm going to play you the entire testimony in full, and then we'll talk about it. Here's that collapse.

2:05 Michelle Shelley Smith. Petty big brother? Yes, what is your first name? Michelle? Spell that? Please? Mu that's ht l L. Where'd you get that name from? My auntie naming? And where did she get that name from? I don't know. He's a Michelle with the with the U. Yes. Correct. During the course of this if you don't mind, is it okay if I call you miss Smith or Miss Shelley or Shelley, I really don't know what's gonna come out of my mouth? Say time? Is that okay? That's okay? But do you go by Shelley? Yes?

2:45 Please tell these folks Miss Smith about Michelle Smith, where you were born, where you were raised? Please Hampton, South Carolina. And ma'am, because you if you don't find just pulling this up, just thinking into it, thank you, thank you, go ahead. I was born in Hampton County, have four grown kids, a lot of us that. I was born in Hampton County, four grown kids, six eight grands, and I worked for the Hampton County's District for the last twenty eight years food service. That is my professional. Pulled that chair if I just want you to be comfortable, Like you said you had four dolph kids. Yes, then you said six to.

3:31 Eight grand it's eight grands, eight grands, okay? And raised where. Hampton, South Carolina? Okay? Where'd you go to high school? Wadhampton High School? And and what did you do after high school? With Smith? Got married, raised my kids. And that's what my professional. That's it. And uh and that is the hardest profession raising. Yes, you've got you had four kids, four kids, and when you were raising them, you were raised them, taking good of me. And is it are you your family here today? Yes, my brother and my daughter. Who's what's your brother's name, Michael Smith?

4:13 Michael Smith? Will you stand up? That's your brother, Yes, that's my brother and who else is here? My daughter Rochelle. Mis Rochelle, will you stand up? Thank you? They here supporting you today. Yes, don't take this the wrong way. But other than raising the family, which is the hardest job, will you do any doing anything else during that time period? No? Til nineteen ninety I'm five, I started working at the school district. Did you work in your church while you were raising your Famis that church? Okay? And that's what I'm asking you. What did you do with your church while you were raising your family? Oh? Sure, kitchen ministry, kitchen ministry? Yes?

4:57 And how long did you do that? Oh? All my life? Church? Are you still doing man? Yes? And you don't have to name your church. But where's your church located? Fairfax, South Carolina. So at some point after your children moved up in years or got older, did you start another profession? Yes? Okay, and tell the ladies and gentlemen what that was. Please now, private home care? I'm sorry, private home care caregiver. How did you get into that? My aunt? And was she in that business? Yes, she's an LPN, Yes. An LPN yes, Slicensed Practical Earth yes. And when did you get the home care of business?

5:43 Probably about ten or twelve years ago. Now prior to that, had you already started with the school? Yes, I'm still at the school also. Okay, till then when you started with the school. It's school in nineteen ninety five, if that's correct, nineteen ninety five. And in what school did you start with. At Noisetsu School Varonnville, South Carolina, nor Central Middle of Varndbys District Middle School? Yes? What did you do to them? Food service? Okay? And how long did you do that at that school? I've been there for nineteen years at North Sitia Middle School. After that, did you change? Yes? Letigation? Yes, six years later I went to Wadehampton High School.

6:23 And for those of us that don't know, where's at Varnville, South Carolina? And you been there six years? Oh? No, six year that went to Wade Hampton High School. So total years in the school system is. What twenty eight years? And you're still there, still there, So you started home healthcare while you were still teaching school. I'm still going to school, going to school work service. And will you please tell them you said you have got in your business. Were you working with one family at a time or did. You have different families? At a time. Okay, different families. And how long would you stay with the family once you became their caregiver? It all depends on how long they if the deceased, I moved on to summer another family.

7:06 So is it fair to say you stay with the family until the person passed on passed on? Yes? Correct? And then how'd you get other jobs? As far in that caregiving profession. My aunt always called me and say they're the job, and she'll let me put you on that job. Okay, So get the jury an idea before we get to this case. Your schedule would be what when you were you were still working at school? Yes, yes, okay, so how would you what was your typical day? Like my typical day, We leave home at seven twenty, have to beat the school at eight o'clock that morning, and I will stay there til a quarter to two, make my deposit, put the school, then leave and go to my previous next job.

8:02 Can you tell this jury, miss Smith, how it came about that you started working for the mural. It was his job opening. I think one of the caregivers mentioned it to me and I said, yes, I'd be interested in going. And now that's how it started, okay. And one of the caregivers mixing your name? Do you note that was? Yes? Yes, sir, okay, it's Barbie mixing. This Barbara mixing. Yes, so there's an opening and your name got brought up. Yes, And can you tell when that was? When did you start working for the Murdoff family. Except October of nineteen, twenty nineteen?

8:43 From what was your role as a caregiver specifically. For the Murdoff Missus Deppy taking care of Miss Lebby them Miss Sleepy? Was mister Randolph? I knew miss solicitter Randolph murdav but was mister Randolph Was he there when you started there? Yes? Yes, yes, and then that's what we've referred to as olmeta Yes, almeters. Yes, what was your primary job as the care get were you? Were you there to take care of the solicitor of mister Randolph or was your primary job for Miss Libby. Missus Lebby? Did you also ever tend to mister Randolph's every night and then? But your main focus was Miss Lesby? Yes, from October nineteenth up to June twenty first, Miss Smith, and I want to be very delicate in this question.

9:43 I think something this affects everybody in the world, this jury there. But did Miss Libby's condition get worse? Yes, and she's suffering from something that affects all our families, Alzheimer's. Yes, and that got worse from the time you started to Yes, well in June of twenty twenty one, How would you describe Miss Libby's condition.

10:38 All the time? It's you know, couldn't remember anything at times? Your opinion as her hair caregiver, was she aware of what was going. On around her? No? No, I specifically in June of twenty twenty one, Miss Smith or May twenty one, tell these folks what your school schedule was, and then your work schedule with the Murdoffs. Okay, a school says, schedule was sevent twenty. I will leave home, be the school at eight o'clock and I leave there at one forty five, go home, make my deposit at the bank, go home, rest, come back to work at a quarter to eight. Had to be there at eight pm that night. I would stay all night and leave a quarter to eight the next morning, leave there and go back to the school.

11:33 So was that the shift you were working for the Murderall's. Yes, primarily yes. From eight pm to eight am. Yes, So when'd you sleep after you went to school? Took a little at naps every now and then. But would you go home after you made your deposit? Yes, you would rest. Yeah, that's for a couple of hours. And then did you have a change of clothes at the Murdaal's for when you went straight to school the next morning? Yes? Well, ma'am, I'd like to take you to June seventh or twenty twenty one, if you'll go back there, if we can take him back in your mind and take this jury back there right now, please, ma'am. Were you working as a caregiver form Missus Libby Murdon on June seventh or twenty twenty one? Yes? Now, had mister Randolph again I know, missus slister, but had had Mr Randolph's condition worsened? Had he gotten Was he in the hospital?

12:31 Was he there when you got there on June seventh? No, he was not. You know where he was. He was in the hospital. What time did you get to the Murdoff MSUs Libby's residence and mister Randolph's residence on June seventh or twenty twenty one? Quarter to eight okay, And that's the time you were there? Yes, and you never laid are you no? And w and it was it is somebody waiting to leave for you to get there. Yes. And this night who was there? Was Ms Spopper Mixing him thinking if I remember, I'm sorry. I understand your words. Can you speak maybe louder? I know you can't change your voice, but yes, sir, a little louder please, we're closer to the money.

13:33 Can you tell tell us what missus Libby when you got there on June seventh or twenty twenty one, shortly for a where was miss Lebby in the bed? And as a professional caregiver and this was what time of night? Eight o'clock that night. If one of your patients that you're taking care of is in the bed est, do you like to disturb her? No, it's the sleeping Do you want to wake them up? No? So when you got there was miss Levy in bed? She was in bed? Yes?

14:14 And do you get brief by miss Mixing on what happened during the day or do y'all exchange Hey, you. Know is coming with you know change or she need to be a change or whatever like that? Make sure that she's. She's dry, it's okay, yes? And s what is your desk or what's your what's your position when you're there? When you're in her room miss Levy's room? Yes, okay? Where are you? Where? Where's your Where do you sit when you're in the room? Why? What do you do to take care of her? In the in the recliner? Happy recliner? Sit there? And is there a TV in the room? Yes?

14:56 And do you is the TV usually own when you're there at miss Levy in the evening? Or yes? Okay? Was it on this night? It was on? Yes? And do you remember what y'all were watching? What? What was on tv? American says? A game show? Save it again? American says the game show? Okay, how long has that been on? It's she says, on it's repeats, it's afterwards repeats itself. What channel is that on? The game network? Show channel? Excuse me? At some point on the evening of June Salad for twenty one, did you see Alex Murdock? Yes? Okay, do you remember what time it was? Approximately?

15:45 The game show was on, so it had to been eight o'clock, eight thirty, nine thirty somewhere very there. Eight thirty nine, nine thirty somewhere every there? Is it fair to sales later than the evening? It was late in the evening? Yes, And you had worked that schedule for that eight pm to eight am shift for how long? Two years? Two years? Years? Was it unusual to see Alex Murdon at that residence that time of night? Yes, on my shift? Yes, and that's the only shift you'd worked. Yes, so the eight pm to the eight am shift, it was unusual to see Alex Murdoch there visiting? Correct?

16:32 Correct? Yes? Have you ever been over there before that time of night? I think different? Off and on. It all depends. When he got there. Can you tell the jury what happened? He called the house and told me he was outside. He called the house. Yes, what phone did he call? M It's a terrible question. Was it your phone? The house phone? I'm not on the house phone, okay? And when you answered the house phone? Uh? What did he say he was outside? It? Let him in?

17:13 He was out the house? Yes, right outside the house. Yes. And he called him yes, and he said let me in. Yes. And after he called you, how long did it take you to go open the door? To let him in about five about five minutes, so he was right there, that's to happen. Yes, you let him in, of course. Yes. Do you remember what he was wearing? Shorts okay, and a sh t shirt. Do you remember what kind of shoes he had on? Those cloth, cloth shoes like speries, that type of material that spirits, that type of material, cloth shoes, cloth shoes, Yeah, that cloth, I mean yes. And you said something called spirit.

17:55 Something like spiritce that you know, that kind of a what was cloth okay, that kind of Yeah. Wasn't boots, No, it wasn't boot snow And are you familiar with tennis shoes? Yes? It was it tennis shoes. No, it was the tennis shoes cloth, spirit type shoes. Yes. Did he have any socks on? No? No. Tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Could you describe Alex mrdau's demeanor on June seventh when you were there with him and his mother Libby. He just the actor.

18:38 Black, fidgety. This came in in US speak up fidgety, la, fidgety thinking it's normal. What did save happened? Like? He was fidgety like. Yeah, fidgety, Yes, and did he tell you why he was there? No, he just came to see his mother. Kay. Did he talk to his mother but she was asleep? Yes, she was asleep. Okay. And what did he do? What did Alex let All do when his mother was asleep? He came in so in the bed cause we was a he knew I was watching I say the Americans says and say the game show.

19:24 Did he did he say anything to his mother? He said, hey, mom, how you doing? You know, just came a check up on you? Yeah? Did he say why come to check up on her? Cause daddy was in the hospital, you know, called him Hanslo. Yeah, it was in the hospital. And in your opinion as being there her caregiver. Did she even know that he was there? No, Godge, you know. The objects the world? He said no, no not. I said no. How long did he stay in the room with y'all? I say, y'all with the record you have, Misslaby apologizes. About fifteen to twenty minutes? Twenty minutes.

20:06 Was he moving around the room, No, he was laying on the bed. Did you have his phone with it? Yes? Was he looking at his phone? Yes, he was on his phone. Yes, I'm sorry man. Yes, after that initial conversation you said, he said, I'm here. Did he have any other tenth to have any other conversation on this laby? No? Okay, didn't hold your hand out? Did he ever hold her hand? Yes, he did hold her hold on. Did you talk to her? Yes? She was in the bed yet, yes? And her condition then was what she was, you know, sleep off and on sleep.

20:55 How long did he stay there? Yes? From past minute I. Forget twenty minutes, about twenty minutes, twenty minutes, about twenty minutes. What happened after that. He left? M hm, you'll shifting and when. Eight o'clock next morning? At some point after that? And did you get a call from miss Maxon? Yes? Did you learn what had happened at Moselle? Yes? At some point after that?

21:36 Did you get a call from a family member? I really don't know who it was. But yes, yes. Do you remember who was? Yes? Okay, who was Randy Randy Murda Randy, Yes, Alex Murdall's brother. Yes. And as a result of that, what was up? Were you expecting people to come over after that? No? After that phone call, were you expecting people to come spend the night that yes, okay, who who was gonna come over? He told me. John Marvin on Buster and his girlfriend and Alex. John Marvin Buster and his girlfriend be out. Yes. And did you and in fact see them later on that night or that morning the next morning? I'm sorry?

22:18 Did they come down to after you got a call from mister and he saying they were coming? Did they come? They came? Yes? And at some point later on that morning did you see Alex Murdoll again? Did you see him again that morning? Nope? Did you ever come looking for glasses that morning? That night? He was in there, He came to the glasses, he said he couldn't sleep. And mister Randolph or solicit Randolph died shortly a couple of days after that. Yes, Now you were working the eight pm a am shift. Were you asked to work more after this to get the family through this? Well?

23:08 You asked to help more at the house. Yes, And were you happy to do that? Of course? And do you remember the day of mister so let's tip a quas, let's that's way I know it's less Radolfs funeral? Yes, and and and I've been reading through all this stuff. If it's a. Repast and repasses with everybody to come back after. The funeral to eat. Everybody comes back. Yes, well after the funeral. Did people come to all me to sort of like a visitation after the funeral? Yes? Okay. Did folks come over there then? Yes? And was the family there then? Yes? And during this for a past visitation, where were you what? And I said, what was your job during that? Or what were you doing during the visitation?

24:05 I was in the room at missus libby this back and forth and and and sometime that afternoon did you see Alex Murlo Yes, okay, tell the jury about that, please. He came in the room, you know, it's he'd speak up, man. He came in the room and speak that, you know, spoke like he always do. And and what did he tell you? So that he was sitting at the house. He was at the house, Say it again. He was at the house.

24:47 And I'm not a hundred cent following he was telling you or saying. To you that he was at the house when the night of the murders. Yes, what was he telling you about that he was at the house and not of the murder that. He had been at thirty to forty minutes. Was he telling you that? Did he ask you anything about that when he was talking to you? Yes?

25:29 Did he indicate to you what he wanted you to do with that information? No? Mm mm no not. What did he say? He had to say that he was at the house at thirty to forty minutes? I said, he said, what. Was he there thirty or forty minutes? Not? Not too much? Was all? Why are you crying? He said, cause he's a a good fam a good family, and I love work in it, and I'm say sorry all this happened. It good people, you know.

26:12 But he wasn't there No thirty or forty minutes? Was he? No? No, jet Al can't leave it with us. Did that Did that conversation upset you somewhat? You upset right now? Yes? Did you call anybody about it? My brother? You called your brother after that conversation down, yes, to tell him about that conversation? Yes? Yeah. And just to be clear, what was the statement you said about how long you was here?

27:09 Thirty to forty minutes? But but his phrase was I was here, are you? No? I was I was here thirty to forty minutes. Not the pride, But I can't help it sometime. What else was going on in your life right there? That this? It's worth it? I was an hour's you're really you're whisper as another star. What you're saying. When you gonna get married?

27:49 I was? I was planning on getting married. I was planning on too. And had Alex Murdon mentioned anything to you about your upcoming nutur nuptials? Yes? And when was that? It was? Then afterwards? Are thinking the day after this? I don't think it was? Yes, conversation, Yes, where were you at miss at the house? And uh? What did he say about your marriage or upcoming po? Take your marriage? Y? I heard you was getting married? I said, yes, he said back an he was let me know cause I know where it's gonna be expensive. I well, thank you. The wedding is gonna be expended. He said, wait, it's gonna be expensed. That's well, thank you. Did he offer to help, Yes, he offered, he offered you.

28:31 That's the type of person, A good person. And did you ever mentioned the waiting to you before? Nom? Had you mentioned that to him before? No? We had. Did he think have a conversation in anything else about your job? Were you working at the school Yes, at the school. Guess did mister Merdaud mentioned to you about your school and your position there? Yes? Tell him what he said? He said that, you know, if you need to put position at school, you know my good friend is there. I said, yeah, I know worked at the school, the principal.

29:17 I believe you testified you. Did you help out more than just your regular shift the rest of this week? Yes? That week after the murders and Slicter Murdolf's dead, were you working full time then trying to help? Yes? With school out then no, so you still going to school land helping? Yes? And after mister randolph funeral, did you have an occasion to see Alex Mrnau early one morning? Yes? Do you know how long it was? How many days after the funeral with mister Murnau?

30:00 Three days? Paint three days? Can you tell the uh, lady and gentlemen's jury what time it was in the morning that you saw Alex Murdo six thirty that morning? Say that again, six thirty that morning? And that had been a part of your regular shifts right eight to eight am? Yes? And uh did he call you in tay he was coming? No, he didn't. Well, how did had he called you on June seventh and sold he was coming? Yes, and he was right outside the house. Yes, huh. And this morning at six thirty he did not call you. No, How did you know he was on the premises?

30:43 He knocked on the by the bedroom he had the window knocks, Yes. On the wall. Well, did you hear him say anything after that? He said, I'm outside. Say it again, I'm outside. Kay. Had he ever been there at six or thirty in the morning before that? Why you were working there? No, sir, never, no m And tell the ladies to deal with the jury. What you observed that morning when you saw Alex Merrell. He came into the white tr up in the white truck, came in the white truck. Was there still funeral stuff strock the world? World? There's still funeral equipment in the yard, couldn't? Yes?

31:31 Like what the tent was still there in the the big old building. It up to put the food in hand down there and I call it yeah, like a food truck, Yeah, food truck yesterday, Captain christ Was that. Blocking your view? Saw? Yes? I mean yes, ye. So when you saw Alex mrdall this morning at six thirty, what did he do after he knocked on the door. Did you let him in? Yes? Then what did he do? Came inside? And uh? Was miss Lady's sleeping? Yes? She still sleeping? Okay? Did he go check on Miss Liddy? No, he didn't come in. He didn't go check on her. I can't. I can't remember. Well, what did he do then he came inside?

32:15 And did he have anything or was he holding anything? He had a blue something in his hand, say that one with a blue tart? Blue something in his hand? Something blue, a blue something in his hand? And and you showed me how he was holding it like this? Sorry if I touch it? What's how was he doing it like this? Holding something like this? Yes? And what did it look like? Like a blue tart? Like a tart? Blue? Blue? Okay? Was it vinyl? It's like a tart that can put on a car. You can keep your car coming. Out of big thank? Yeah? Blue? And was he holding it like this like? Yes? Should you tell if it was anything in it? Or do you not know?

32:56 I couldn't tell, but not hold like this? Did you say anything when you walked here? No? What did you do when you walked here? Went upstairs?

34:40 This night? Mister Murdall came in your I'll meet a residence that morning. This is stakes two twenty three. Do you recognize that? Yes? What is that upstairs? Going upstairs? And is that where he went Alex murder that morning? Yes, carrying some blue thing. And this may be due better for the I'm sorry. That's two twenty two, same stairs, the same house. Yes, Stakes four thirteen. What is this? That's the bedroom. Where in now metia? Is this bedroom first floor, second floor? First four?

35:20 Is this where miss Levy's stay, No, and four twelve Is that the same. Yes, same bedroom? Yes, m hm, I will show you Mark's us mark four to eleven. Don't don't call out now at sir, missus Stakes four eleven for identification. At this point, do you see the blue object in the center. Yes?

36:00 Does that appear to look like the object you've described? Yes, you saying yes, yes? Is it blue? It's blue? Is it vital? Yes? That appears to be the same thing you saw of the defendant holding this early morning hours when he came in the house. Is that right? It looks so yes, you know this is six four eleven. We'd offer at this point no objections that made it. Let me let me just I don't know how to ask except ask did you ever see that blue thing unfolded when you were that morning or you saw him caring it?

36:47 It was unfolded? Okay? Where'd you see it in the bedroom? That's and where in the bedroom on the chair? And again I'm not clear. Was that in one of these pictures which showed you what chair? Did they disappear? Oh? I'm sorry, Oh, Paul God, was that on one of these chairs in this yes? Okay? And I'm referring again to four twelve. You saw it on the chair? Yes? Did you you end up leaving at some point in that day? Right? Yes? When you came back the next day, was that there? No?

37:28 It wasn't it was gone? Yes, it was on. Did you see Alex Carnall leave after he went upstairs? Do you know what he did upstairs? No? I don't know. Did you actually see him leave the house after he went upstairs? Yes? And where did he go? Oh? I don't know. He slept outside and left? Okay? Did he say hey, I'm leaving, yes? Except gone? Yes? And at that point what did you think did you think he gone? I thought he left? Yes? Did you see him after that, yes, tell him where please? He came. He came back to the house. And how do you know that cause the blind was open. I seen him came through in the driveway.

38:16 And and what did you see him? Was he walking? Was he driving? When you saw him in the driveway, he was driving the truck? And and I'm sorry, miss Smith found out what truck? Was he driving? The white truck? And whose white truck was that? I'm thinking of mister Renold. I thought it was his truck. He had the white truck also, he had a. White truck also. So when you saw you st testified, Miss Mirroll coming back in a white truck, that was mister randolph truck. Whose truck was. I don't know, buss your words as opposed to m M m or because we need need to tell you exactly what you were saying, So yes or no, if you can. Whose truck did you think it was?

39:00 I thought it was mister Randolph's truck. And were there four wheelers or ATVs out on that property? Yes? Okay, what if anything had you observed about a four wheeler that morning? It was at the house. Where had it in previously at the smokehouse? When did it get moved the same day of that, the same morning. Same morning when mister Murdall was there. Yes, and in what direction did you see mister Murda'll leave When you saw him leave the house and you thought he was gone, do you know where you went? No? And when he came back in this white truck, what did he do? You got another truck?

39:42 How long was he gone? Probably about ten minutes or fifteen minutes? Think it? And then you saved this other truck? What truck are you talking about? It was a black truck. Had you not seen that before? No? Why not? Cause the the the food truck, that the catering thing was still out there anyway, so I couldn't see. So that blocked your view, It's blocked my view. Yes, So what viehicle did mister Murnall leave after he came back in the white truck? What color truck? It was a black truck? Like you gonna whose that was? No? That morning this morning when you first saw him at six point thirty, did you observe anything about his face? Any on his face? Think?

40:28 Cause I got a little colored, a little brute color something and it it ma man, I apologize a little what cut, like a like a little bruise or something. Where was it that the buffs forty head? Okay, I wanna ask you to touch me, but can you touch yourself to show work right here? Something right here? Did it look fresh? Just looked like a cut? Not if I wouldn't say fresh, but it's look. Was it a videot system in in in the house for either of sister Murda or missus Libby Murdon? Yes? Can you tell them about that? Where was that?

41:09 What was that? It was in the miss miss Libby's bedroom? Okay? And h how was that activated or operated? Better? See you? No? No? Okay? What was it on all the time or not? Yes? Yeah? And what color would it be? What if it was on? Was there a marker that are uh red and black or red. And green subclans? Yes? And would there be times when that wasn't? Not? Yes? And do you know who controlled it? No, I'm gonna show you what's mark fourteen? Do you recognize this?

42:16 Yes? Mkay? And does it relate to what we're talking about this morning as far as your location? Yes? You under fourteen? I believe without objection says it relates and your custom of you wish she was an Okay. Objection, submit it without objection. It's submitted. The kid. Could you see this on your look? You got a little thing of the Do you mind coming down here? Judge? Can she come down here? Pray briefly?

43:05 Here won't be long if you would stand up. There's this wind blocking the jersey, please, you said, mister Grican. Can see? Is this a picture of what referred to as our meeting? Yes? And can you show where the I guess I called the main house? And I'm sorry we don't have a pointer. That's the main house. And you act to say yes for the record demandages. Yes, and and down here? I know it's sorry to see. Can you tell what that is?

43:46 Yeah? Wow? Sorry? Did he points in the bandouts again? I thought he glossom? Jerse? I saw John? Here? Is that where you took care of his living? Yes? Okay? Now down here there's a little old lord. You know what that says? Down here? Let me ask you just what up the buildings? Wrong? A s the smoke house, and a barn, another little shed? And where were the ATVs? Usually at the smokehouse? Where's the smoke at that's it? Yeah? That s that's the smoke. App that's where the at sh was. And where did the atv end up? When you saw it after you thought mister Mordaunt left and it moved at.

44:35 The mean house. Say that again, please in the main house. Okay. And when you saw him coming back, he thought he left. Where'd you see him in the white truck? You remember. He left him across the railroad tap his railroad track? You know, he left him across the railroad track. I went out which way. To railroad tracks? Oh gosh, this way? I mean that's the house. So had it been around cause I had.

45:18 To drive through, you know, say anything really streaking up? I'm trying out. That's good, go back to sit down. That's what I like. Now if you talk to a thing that Mr Griffin or Mr Hart putin or one of their investigators. Yes, cap where it was? Yeah? Oh god, have been less you remember, I'm not looking for a day and time, but you know how long it got. It was last year and I met with you a couple of weeks ago, yes, and just a little while ago this morning. Yes. And I have to ask you for the record. Uh this Alex murdaal who came and saw you the night of the murders with the shorts and shirt and the Sperry type left's own was at him over there?

46:15 Yes? And is he also the person that you said told you he'd been there thirty to forty minutes? Yes? And is he also the person you saw in the house that night? Was some kind of blue vinyl that you said consistent with this picture we put in? Is that him? Yes? Thank you so right of defense? Thank you? Uh good after name of Smith. Good happen? Now we had met once or twice the Did anyone ever show you a blue rain jacket?

47:06 No? No, no, yes, yes, I think so. Yes, some of our investigators show you, showed you a picture of a blue rain jacket picture everything. Yes, But has. Anyone that Slid or the Attorney General's office ever shown you a blue rain jact? No. Now you saw mister Elliot Murdoch bring a tarp in, you said, right, yes, And I'm gonna show you a tart which we've marked for identification purpose, is your honor Exhibit eighty six. Is this the type of tarp that mister Murdoch came in to the Alameda House on the day that we're talking about.

48:00 Yes, harp like this that would. Maybe cover up a car, Is that right? Yes? Any way to confuse this with a rain jacket. No, he was not carrying a rain jacket. Was he. No, it was bald up. I don't know him. And you said it was balled up, and it was balled in such a minor that did not look like there was a shovel handle, a gun or anything. It's just balled up. Is that right? Correct? Have I bolted up short of correctly? Yes? All right? No, we have no objects in that going in. Yeah, I didn't move. Vivid eighty six I think, and Evans.

48:40 Had a church. Now what. Alec left. That day? This was laid out on missus Libby's retirement rocking chair, wasn't it? Yes? Okay? And you had and when you left end of your chef that day that's where it was, right, yes, and you've never seen it since? Correct? Correct? Now they showed you a picture which is in evidence. Do you even know where that picture was taken in the house? Now? What do we have that picture?

49:24 What's the last fun graduate? Wouldn't have it? Can you see that? Miss Smith? Yes? Do you know where that is? And or even if it is in missus Lebby's house. I couldn't say, because I don't go there. I don't get any closets.

50:07 So you don't even recognize the closet. Is that right? Correct? And if you ever even been upstairs in miss Libby's house twice two times over how many years? Three years? Two times and three years? And do you know where Ali Murdoch went when he went upstairs on the day that he brought a blue tarp in the house? Nope? Okay, Now you mentioned that that this day that he came over was about three days after mister Randolph Murdoch's funeral. Is that right? Yes? And it was early in the morning, yes. And do you remember that mister Randolph's funeral being on a Sunday, Yes, so then it would be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of that week, is that right?

51:04 Yes? Correct? And And is that the morning that you you said that you thought you saw a bruise on his forehead? Yes, so it was. Wednesday after mister randolph funeral. I'm thinking I can't I can't remember it so long, I can't remember. Yes, ma'am. And the. And you mentioned that it was that he came in a truck. I think you said he drove up in a white truck. Is that correct? Yes? And and he does have a white truck as far as you know, right, yes, yes.

51:44 And then you said he left in a white truck. And are you sure that it was mister Randolph's truck or mister Alex truck that he left. Him because it was move Mister Randow had always keep his truck in a certain position, a certain part. So you think he left in mister Randolphs truck and move. Yes, And when you came back, excuse me, when you left that that morning? I guess Wednesday were talking about the Was mister randolph truck back in the driveway? Yes, parked in this normal place? Yes? Anything out of sort? No? Was it all covered up with mud like someone's been mudding in it? No, anything unusual about the truck.

52:31 No. Now, you mentioned there was a four wheeler that had been moved at some point in time. That four wheel had a flat tire, didn't it, Yes, it did it. Was it a front tire, back tire? I think it was a back tire. And it was moved up close to the house, Yes, far as you know, so the tire could be repaired. Yes, it was moved from the small house to the wreckt house. Yes, with a flat tire, Yes, with a flat tire. Now you ask questions about the the day of uh, mister Randolph's funeral, and you had a conversation with Alec and he's talking to you about how long you was over at the house on the night of June the seventh, right, yes, And he said he was there thirty to forty minutes, yes, And you said, no, I don't think it was that long.

53:47 Yes. And then the the next day, I think you said, or day after well, the following day or I guess I was in a Monday, you had another conversation with him where you just brought up back that you were gonna get married. I think you said that was a different day, right, yes. And and he was just being nice, wasn't he. Yes. I think you used the. Word good person, good person. Yes. Who were you referring to when you testified in response to the question by mister Meadows that someone's a good person? Mister Alex my up.

54:40 Now, he he came over on the night of June the seventh, and you said it was somewhere between eight thirty and nine thirty in the evening. Yes, and. That's that's just your best testament of when he got there is and I think you testified that he was there in your estimation fifteen to twenty minutes. Yes, Now when you said fifteen to twenty minutes, a're you talking about fifteen to twenty minutes in the room with Mss Libby or on the property the whole time? Property the whole time? Thank it? Okay? Well, now you said it took you about five minutes to let him in, is that right?

55:24 Yes? So are you including the five minutes that took him to let him in in your fifteen to twenty or could have been on the property twenty five minutes? It's twenty minutes, own thing? Is no cut the whole time. And you would agree that Alec Murdoch would visit his parents frequently, right, yes, and he would always come over, more so than any other civiling. Is that right? Yes? And and well you would agree that was not out of the ordinary for Allen to come at night, correct? Yes, you would agree with that, right. No, so you don't agree that that is so?

56:18 Is it? It was it out of out of the ordinary for him to come at night? Yes? On my shift yes, what do you recall. Being interviewed a bed a telephone interview on June seventeenth, twenty twenty one, with agent Joe Albiata. You remember that, yes? And do you remember telling him that it was not out out of the ordinary for Alet to come at night? Yes, it's been a long and I couldn't remember. It's so it's been a year now, so I can't really remember. I mean, is it possible to you told him that? Yes?

57:01 And and and here today you you said, as I have in my notes, that when he came over that that he was acting kind of fidgety yet normal. I believe that's what you said. It's his normal behavior, kind of fidgety. Yes, he's just kind of a fidgety person, right, Yes, So it wasn't the first time you had seen him being kind of fidgety. Right, But he always come different times, so I came, you know, But but you. His demeanor was normal for Alec the night that he came over on juneor seventh, wasn't it? I said, yes, okay, Now.

57:42 You mentioned the clothes that he was wearing, and and he came in and he sat on his mom's bed. Yes, laid down next to it and held her hand. Walked in and hold her hand and spoke to her. Then went on the bed and I made down and laid down, not lay down to sit up. And when he got up, off off the bed? Was a bed sold in any way? Was it wet? I can't recall that and touched it? What did Alec have? Alc Murdoch have blood on his clothes? Noye had blood on his shoes. No, he had blood on his hair.

58:26 No? Did he leave blood in his mom's bedroom? No? Now, according to the records that we've been providing this case, you were interviewed by Sled on June sixteenth. You remember that interview, yes, and I think that interview toast Lad that he would had been there thirty to thirty five minutes. Do you remember telling him that? I think yes?

59:08 And then you were interviewed again by telephone on June seventeenth. You remember that follow up call? You remember having a short phone call on the seventeenth. A phone call. Okay, Well, whether it's one interview or two interviews, you never told anybody it Sled in June, in these interviews one or two, anything about Alec coming in with a blue tarf. Is that right? Right? You didn't say anything about a blue tarf until sometime in September, is that right? Yes?

1:00:00 And you initially mentioned something about Alec coming over with a tart. The first time you mentioned it was to Officer Joseph Dingle of the Allendale Police Department when he was working the wreck. Do you remember that that? Yes? Yes, And you had been in the automobile accident and Officer Dingle was working the wreck and I guess filling out an answer report and you were having a conversation with Yes, And in that conversation with Officer Dingle, didn't you tell him that? Didn't you tell Officer Dingle that on the night of the murders that Alec came over with a blue tart that looked like it had a gun in it.

1:01:00 No, I sadthing like he was holding like he was holding something. So you didn't say. I didn't say Pacific was a gonna said he was holding something? Hm. So you didn't tell Officer Dingle that that he came over and you couldn't tell but stated it looked like a rifle. No, I said it was like he was holding something. I did not say it was a rifle. And if Osicer Dingle rot report up saying that he was just incorrect. Yes. And then after you had this conversation with Officer Dingle, then you were contacted by schled agents, right, and they asked you to go down to their offices, and that's where you were interviewed, uh in September. Yes, And in that interview you told him about a blue tar you put.

1:02:00 Over your car just like this, right? Is that correct? Yes? Okay? And you didn't tell them because it's not true that that there was anything wrapped up here in here to look like a rifle, okay. And since that day of the interview at the Low Country Sled office, have you had any additional interviews with Sledding other than getting ready for trial this week last week? Yes? How many additional interviews? Two? Two or three?

1:02:41 And and in each of those interviews, did you reiterate the sled that it was a blue tart and not a rain jacket that you saw Ellen Mordoch walking into the house with. Yes? Is there any doubt in your mind it was a blue tart like this and not a range act? Can you have a small toppers a little tie. So you saw it laying on miss Lebby's retirement rocking chair. N Yes, h m. The second you're on. It's just just one more point when when Elec Murdoch came over on that early morning.

1:03:27 I guess it was a Wednesday where you testified. Were you in miss Lebby's room? Yes? And can you you can't see the comings and goings out of the driveway from miss Lebby's bedroom, can you you can't? No? Okay, thank you honest all? The question asked redirect. Testifying in front of on January twentieth, The twenty twenty two on page twenty five, line seventeen, when you were asked about how long do you think he stayed in total?

1:04:09 Do you remember that? Yes? Do you remember her actually being twenty ten, fifteen twenty minute? Yes. Mister Griffin asked you about the thirty to forty minutes. Why'd you call your brother after that? Cause he's a he's a chief assistant chief police at Wamville, so I call. Him at that statement by Alex Murdall affected you, Yes, how I was nervous and he Mister Griffin asked you about the evenings, the visits and the morning visits. Had he ever been there at six thirty in the morning like he was that morning? Ever? No, in his nine nine thirty visit the night of the murders. That was very unusual for him to be at night, wasn't it.

1:05:06 If you actual leading, don't leave the room? I'm sorry? Yes? Was that unusual? Yes, that's so you you told an officer. Did you tell an officer about this he saw something that he thought he was caring? Yes, before you told anybody else? Yes? And if what was that about a traffic accident? I had someone hit my car and he was on duty. When was that September eleventh? That's my birthday? You had an accident and you told the officer that you had seen him Alex Murdau come and holding something.

1:05:50 He was talking, was sading conversation and that came up and you just told him now he was talking. Had anybody asked you that before? M hm? You have to say yes or no? Yes, no, no that before? No? Okay, So why did you tell the officer that on September eleventh? Cause he would be was having a conversation and just talking in general, and he asked me a question and I said, yes, I've been there, I said, I worked with the Murdocks. Keep you know that. His mother in response to him, you told him you saw Alex Murdall with what a lining? A blue tar and you saying tart or tart? Tart like a cup of car up with a. Tart, and you said you saw him with that, And did it appear he was carrying something.

1:06:34 Like he was calling something? It was it was bundle up? I can't it was bundle up. Bundle up? Yes, like this? Yes? So you never saw this unfolded? No, I never saw me, never till the next morning, was on the chair. I'm just business through. And you don't know where this tark came from, did you? No? I don't know where this come from. And it didn't have silver on one side, did it? No? It was all blue, all blue. And you said, did the defense took a statement from you? Yes? Did they report it? Yes? Going under rule six thirteen, I like a copy of that statement or the reporting at this time if they have it. She's now taking stand.

1:07:17 You're honor under rule five if it is not subject to being produced. And we didn't question her about the statement, So. Rule five is pre trial. Once a witness is taken the stand, and she said that they took a statement from her, either reported or written. We don't have it hadn't been provided. He asked her about that, specifically dealing with the UH blue tarp and what they discussed it with. H might like a copy of it. I usually don't mind him having it. You know, ho it. We don't have a copy with. Us, says upon request, sam shall be shown or disclosed to opposing counsel persenta to rule six eleven A. So defense must provided to a counselor.

1:08:12 Right. We we do have a copy here. I don't know if we downloaded to yet. Yeah, to produce it on a flash right now, Judge, I mean I can't look at the fist drive, but yeah, I guess the harder. I heard. Not a real estate. It's an audio recording. To listen to without the presence here, assuming in your horror copy. But I don't wanna mess the court schedule up here. The general gonna have you go to the jury room. Please not discuss the case. I thank you. You may proceed. Mister Meadow's drawn.

1:08:55 Smith you been Do you remember being interviewed by Patrice McDavid and Robert Cruselle Purselle that worked with mister Harpoolian and mister Griffin's in October on October twentieth of twenty twenty two. Yes, okay. And I believe mister Gris Griffin had asked you about some shoes in response to our questions. Do you remember telling them that he had, uh these investigators he had on some cloth like shoes. Yes, And I believe mister Griffin asked you about the length of time you were there.

1:09:44 Do you remember these investigators asking you about the length of time that mister Murdall was at our meet of the night of June seventh. Yes, sir, it's he's offering a prior consistent statement and no one's in. I don't know why got the peaching her with it. You can't bolster her testimony with prior consistent statement. Mister metters Leafy had questioned the thirty or forty minutes and was questioning whether or not Alex asked her to say that. Through their investigators, it's clarified for me their conversations that directly contradict what she said early on, direct that I have through their questioning and interviews, which I just got a little while ago.

1:10:31 That was griffining. Again, she's offering a prior consistent statement and it's not admissible unless it's being offered to rebut a claim of recent fabrication. And that's not the situation we have here. The entire statement right now. In terms into the statement being entered that evidence. Yes, John, there's not a statement. There's a whole thirty minute audio reporting. Yes, right. Rule sixty six thirteen the addresses this issue, and you may perceive the objections over rules.

1:11:12 Mister Griffin asked you the length of time that mister Murdall was there when these investigators questioned you in October of twenty twenty two. Do you remember them asking you about how long he was in the kitchen and in the room with miss Murdall? Yes? And do you remember them asking you about and he asked you on Cross whether it was unusual mister, whether mister Murdall had visited that time of night. Do you remember that? Yes? And do you remember telling the investigators that he would not come on your shift after eighty four? Do you remember that yeah? Yes, and that that was unusual? Yes? And do you remember one of them questioned you you actually rechered it in your mind, that's something that this is unusual for him to be here that time of night.

1:12:20 Do you remember that? Yes? Was your answer? Yeah, because I was like, yeah, To be honest, I was like, oh, why why are you here this time of night? Why are you here this time of night? You know, cause we all going to bed? This is my mind, lovely red. Yes.

1:13:21 And as far as the length of time, do you remember them asking you how long? And you said it was about twenty minutes? Yes? Oh god, I'm trying to speed this up at for some don'ts. Do you remember, mister when mister Griffin asked you about your recollection as to what mister Myrda said you will asked you about the thirty to forty minute pier. Do you remember that, remember just a little while ago when he was asking you about that. I'm not trying to be just a little while ago. Yes, Okay, About whether if anybody ever asked you if I was here or not?

1:14:38 Yes? And do you remember that they as investigators asked you if Slid had put that in your mind? No? Is that the recollection or something they put us along? Yes, sir, he's leading the witness he's publishing a document that is not a certified transcript of anything. Object m mister. Is their statement they took.

1:15:21 I sustained the objection. Did Alex Murthaw ask you to tell somebody how long he'd been there? He says, someone aks you, I've been thirty to forty minutes. That's what he said, he said. If somebody asked you, yes, just. Repeating her answer, what's the letters? Is that the answer you gave his investigators? Yes? Back in October of twenty twenty, yes.

1:16:08 M. Now, mister Griffin asked you about this blue tarp? Did Here's or the Harpetins investigators asked you about that when they met with you? Yes? Did they bring something with them?

1:16:51 Do you remember them showing you something now a picture? Okay? Did they also show you a tarp? Yes? Okay. Did they tell you they just got it from Kmart? Yes, just bought it from Kmart? Can I kick you? So there? Their investigators brought this with you to the interview, Yes, and showed you this correct? Yes, And had you. Already described a well, where'd she first? Who'd she first tell that there was something that the defendant may have been holding his hand who'd you tell first when he when he came in that morning after the funeral? Who did you tell that first to? In law enforcement? The defendant may have been holding something or was holding something when he came.

1:17:41 On Dango office of Dango Dango. Okay, And as a result of that, slave that slid came and interviewed you. Yes, and then you then told them what your testimony has been. Yes. Correct. So in October twenty second when their investigators came, they were asking you about what you talking about to the dango right, yes, and they showed you this right yes. And did they also ask you about if you've seen a shirt? Do you remember when they asked you if you'd seen a blue shirt? Yes? But what was a blue shirt? As a blue like a I don't I don't know what was it a just like a dress shirt or a shirt? What was it like a like a rain jacket? Is something like a pull over?

1:18:24 Okay? Something? But they described it as a shirt? No, not as I can recall. Do you remember them asking you your positive it wasn't a shirt? Yes? They asked you that, yes, and your answer was it's vinyl. It was a vinyl? Right? Yes, yes, I don't need the works.

1:19:16 And missed that. Griffin was asking you about the vine or whatever. Do you remember them asking you if there could have been a gun in it? His investigators, I can't recall. I can't remember. Last question. Can I have been a picture up. State's four eleven? Michelle, you've identified this previously? Does that look like the blue vinyl garment he was carrying in? Yes?

1:20:07 Say that again? Yes? Was it all crumbled up in his arms? It was bold up? Yes? Was that folded out? No, it wasn't. Was he wearing it? No, he wasn't. That's all. Thank you, out of defense, Miss Smith. It's clear when you left the next morning you saw the blue tart laid out on Mss Libby's retirement rocking chair. Correct. Yes, And it was not a range like it wasn't, No, it wasn't.

1:20:50 It was a blue tart like what's in here as in evidence eighty six. Right, yes, no doubt in your mind, no doubt. Now, sigators, let me ask you mark for identification Exhibit eighty seven. Did they show you a picture of. This rain jacket? Yes? Have you ever and you told them you never seen that rain jacket? Right? Correct? Have you ever seen this rain jacket before. No, did Alec Murdoch have that rain jacket with him when he came in to the Miss Libby's home on the morning, I believe a few days after the funeral. No, okay.

1:21:40 And if this photo to Exhibit forty one, State's Exhibit forty one, can you see this blue thing wided up? Yes? If that is in fact the photo of the rain jacket that we just looked at, would your testimony be you've never seen that garment folded up in that closet before? No, on fantacy, what was the blue veny that's and they know it was the raincoat or not. It was balled up.

1:22:21 So you well, well, had you ever been in this closet before? No, it happened. So you don't know what that is folded up there? Do you correct? And so if it's if it's this rain jacket, if that's what's in that closet, you've never seen Alect Murdoch with with what with with this garment before? Have you? No? It happened. All right, Now, just very briefly, I know you've been been really good here. Now that's been a hard day. I would appreciate you being here the that that day when you came to work, mister Randolph Murdoch had been put back in the hospital. Isn't that correct?

1:23:12 Yes? And that was unusual because he'd just gotten out of the hospital like a day before, right. Yes, and so it was. Though it wasn't usual for Alan Murdott to come over that night, but this was an unusual day because mister Randolph had been put back in the hospital. Would you agree with that? Yes? All right, that's all the questions I have jed. Thank you, ma'am. You may step down. How heartbroken was she? I mean actually started crying. And look the entire testimony looked very uncomfortable on the stand. She did not want to have to testify against Murdall.

1:23:56 It could broke her heart, you could tell, and that may her all the more credible to me. So next week you're gonna hear from a very entertaining, very unique individual, and we are gonna find out for the very first time exactly what happened that night at the Moselle property from the leading United States expert who all this guy does is rebuild crime scenes. He's gonna tell you from start to finish his opinion of what happened that night at Mozelle, So get ready for that. Thank you so much for listening. Please please rate the podcast if you've not done so, I can't tell you how much that helps us. Please go find us on Facebook, give us a like, and I appreciate y'all so much for the support you give me each and every week. Tuesday we got part two of the Bad Boys series, war Machine.

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