Jan. 16, 2025

"Murdaugh" Episode Seventeen | The Caregiver

"Murdaugh" Episode Seventeen | The Caregiver

In this episode of Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman delves into the dramatic testimony of the caregiver for Alex Murdaugh’s mother, Muchelle “Shelly” Smith who was a key witness in the trial as it relates to a blue rain jacket that...

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In this episode of Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman delves into the dramatic testimony of the caregiver for Alex Murdaugh’s mother, Muchelle “Shelly” Smith who was a key witness in the trial as it relates to a blue rain jacket that mysteriously disappeared from the scene.

Chapters
07:30 The Caregiver's Story
09:57 Ms. Libby's Condition
16:11 Alex Murdoch's Visit
21:29 The Night of the Murders
26:24 Conversations After the Tragedy
35:48 The Blue Object
49:47 The Investigation Unfolds
1:01:35 The Tarp vs. The Jacket

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman, and we

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are back with this seventeenth episode in our mrdaal series.

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But before we get into it, I want to shout

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out our newest global celebrity supporters and we are gonna

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start with Miss Lisa Donker. And Lisa is from Toronto, Canada,

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a truly global celebrity, so welcome to the global celebrity tier,

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Miss Lisa. Next is Katie Jensen from Chicago, Illinois, home

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of Michael Jordan. Thank you so much for joining, Katie. Next,

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we have Miss Andrea Johnson and I don't have her

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city in state, but I'm sure thank her for joining.

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Thank you and shout out Miss Andrea. And finally I

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have Miss Debbie Eastman from Arlington, Texas. Go Texas Rangers,

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shout out, Miss Debbie. Thank you to all these new

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global celebrities for supporting and if you would like to

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check out the Patreon and support, you can find us

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at patreon dot com slash Exposed podcast Files. So let's

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get into today's episode and the focus today is going

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to be on the testimony of Moochelle Shelley Smith, who

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worked as a caregiver where Alex Murdaull's mother lived. Now,

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if you'll remember, murderall made an unusual visit to the

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house on the night of the killings. She was the

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one who was there. And to me, this is one

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of the most interesting testimonies in the entire trial. So

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I'm going to jump right into it, and I'm going

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to play you the entire testimony in full, and then

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we'll talk about it. Here's that collapse.

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Michelle Shelley Smith.

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Petty big brother? Yes, what is your first name?

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Michelle?

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Spell that?

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Please? Mu that's ht l L.

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Where'd you get that name from?

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My auntie naming?

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And where did she get that name from?

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I don't know.

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He's a Michelle with the with the U. Yes.

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Correct.

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During the course of this if you don't mind, is

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it okay if I call you miss Smith or Miss

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Shelley or Shelley, I really don't know what's gonna come

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out of my mouth? Say time? Is that okay?

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That's okay?

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But do you go by Shelley?

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Yes?

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Please tell these folks Miss Smith about Michelle Smith, where

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you were born, where you were raised?

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Please Hampton, South Carolina.

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And ma'am, because you if you don't find just pulling

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this up, just thinking into it, thank you, thank you,

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go ahead.

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I was born in Hampton County, have four grown kids,

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a lot of us that. I was born in Hampton County,

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four grown kids, six eight grands, and I worked for

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the Hampton County's District for the last twenty eight years

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food service. That is my professional.

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Pulled that chair if I just want you to be comfortable,

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Like you said you had four dolph kids. Yes, then

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you said six to.

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Eight grand it's eight grands, eight grands, okay?

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And raised where.

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Hampton, South Carolina?

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Okay? Where'd you go to high school?

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Wadhampton High School?

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And and what did you do after high school? With Smith?

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Got married, raised my kids. And that's what my professional.

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That's it.

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And uh and that is the hardest profession raising. Yes,

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you've got you had four kids, four kids, and when

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you were raising them, you were raised them, taking good

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of me. And is it are you your family here today?

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Yes, my brother and my daughter. Who's what's your brother's name,

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Michael Smith?

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Michael Smith? Will you stand up? That's your brother, Yes,

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that's my brother and who else is here?

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My daughter Rochelle.

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Mis Rochelle, will you stand up? Thank you? They here

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supporting you today. Yes, don't take this the wrong way.

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But other than raising the family, which is the hardest job,

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will you do any doing anything else during that time period? No?

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Til nineteen ninety I'm five, I started working at the

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school district.

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Did you work in your church while you were raising

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your Famis that church? Okay? And that's what I'm asking you.

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What did you do with your church while you were

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raising your family?

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Oh?

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Sure, kitchen ministry, kitchen ministry? Yes?

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And how long did you do that?

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Oh?

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All my life? Church?

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Are you still doing man? Yes? And you don't have

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to name your church. But where's your church located?

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Fairfax, South Carolina.

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So at some point after your children moved up in

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years or got older, did you start another profession?

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Yes?

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Okay, and tell the ladies and gentlemen what that was.

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Please now, private home care? I'm sorry, private home care caregiver.

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How did you get into that?

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My aunt?

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And was she in that business?

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Yes, she's an LPN, Yes.

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An LPN yes, Slicensed Practical Earth yes. And when did

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you get the home care of business?

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Probably about ten or twelve years ago.

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Now prior to that, had you already started with the school?

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Yes, I'm still at the school also.

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Okay, till then when you started with the school.

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It's school in nineteen ninety five, if that's correct, nineteen

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ninety five.

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And in what school did you start with.

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At Noisetsu School Varonnville, South Carolina, nor Central Middle of

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Varndbys District Middle School?

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Yes?

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What did you do to them?

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Food service?

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Okay? And how long did you do that at that school?

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I've been there for nineteen years at North Sitia Middle School.

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After that, did you change?

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Yes?

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Letigation?

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Yes, six years later I went to Wadehampton High School.

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And for those of us that don't know, where's at Varnville,

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South Carolina?

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And you been there six years? Oh?

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No, six year that went to Wade Hampton High School.

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So total years in the school system is.

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What twenty eight years?

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And you're still there, still there, So you started home

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healthcare while you were still teaching school.

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I'm still going to school, going to school work service.

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And will you please tell them you said you have

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got in your business. Were you working with one family

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at a time or did.

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You have different families? At a time. Okay, different families.

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And how long would you stay with the family once

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you became their caregiver?

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It all depends on how long they if the deceased,

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I moved on to summer another family.

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So is it fair to say you stay with the

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family until the person passed on passed on? Yes?

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Correct?

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And then how'd you get other jobs? As far in

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that caregiving profession.

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My aunt always called me and say they're the job,

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and she'll let me put you on that job.

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Okay, So get the jury an idea before we get

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to this case. Your schedule would be what when you

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were you were still working at school? Yes, yes, okay,

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so how would you what was your typical day?

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Like my typical day, We leave home at seven twenty,

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have to beat the school at eight o'clock that morning,

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and I will stay there til a quarter to two,

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make my deposit, put the school, then leave and go

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to my previous next job.

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Can you tell this jury, miss Smith, how it came

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about that you started working for the mural.

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It was his job opening. I think one of the

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caregivers mentioned it to me and I said, yes, I'd

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be interested in going. And now that's how it started, okay.

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And one of the caregivers mixing your name?

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Do you note that was? Yes?

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Yes, sir, okay, it's Barbie mixing.

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This Barbara mixing. Yes, so there's an opening and your

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name got brought up. Yes, And can you tell when

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that was? When did you start working for the Murdoff family.

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Except October of nineteen, twenty nineteen?

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From what was your role as a caregiver specifically.

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For the Murdoff Missus Deppy taking care of Miss Lebby

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them Miss Sleepy?

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Was mister Randolph? I knew miss solicitter Randolph murdav but

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was mister Randolph Was he there when you started there?

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Yes?

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Yes, yes, and then that's what we've referred to as

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olmeta Yes, almeters. Yes, what was your primary job as

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the care get were you? Were you there to take

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care of the solicitor of mister Randolph or was your

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primary job for Miss Libby.

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Missus Lebby?

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Did you also ever tend to mister Randolph's every night

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and then? But your main focus was Miss Lesby? Yes,

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from October nineteenth up to June twenty first, Miss Smith,

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and I want to be very delicate in this question.

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I think something this affects everybody in the world, this

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jury there. But did Miss Libby's condition get worse? Yes,

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and she's suffering from something that affects all our families, Alzheimer's. Yes,

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and that got worse from the time you started to Yes,

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well in June of twenty twenty one, How would you

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describe Miss Libby's condition.

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All the time?

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It's you know, couldn't remember anything at times?

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Your opinion as her hair caregiver, was she aware of

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what was going.

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On around her?

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No?

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No, I specifically in June of twenty twenty one, Miss

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Smith or May twenty one, tell these folks what your

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school schedule was, and then your work schedule with the Murdoffs.

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Okay, a school says, schedule was sevent twenty. I will

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leave home, be the school at eight o'clock and I

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leave there at one forty five, go home, make my

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deposit at the bank, go home, rest, come back to

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work at a quarter to eight. Had to be there

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at eight pm that night. I would stay all night

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and leave a quarter to eight the next morning, leave

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there and go back to the school.

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So was that the shift you were working for the Murderall's.

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Yes, primarily yes.

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From eight pm to eight am. Yes, So when'd you

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sleep after you went to school?

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Took a little at naps every now and then.

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But would you go home after you made your deposit?

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Yes, you would rest. Yeah, that's for a couple of hours.

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And then did you have a change of clothes at

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the Murdaal's for when you went straight to school the

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next morning?

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Yes?

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Well, ma'am, I'd like to take you to June seventh

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or twenty twenty one, if you'll go back there, if

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we can take him back in your mind and take

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this jury back there right now, please, ma'am. Were you

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working as a caregiver form Missus Libby Murdon on June

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seventh or twenty twenty one? Yes? Now, had mister Randolph

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again I know, missus slister, but had had Mr Randolph's

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condition worsened? Had he gotten Was he in the hospital?

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Was he there when you got there on June seventh?

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No, he was not.

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You know where he was.

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He was in the hospital.

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What time did you get to the Murdoff MSUs Libby's

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residence and mister Randolph's residence on June seventh or twenty

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twenty one? Quarter to eight okay, And that's the time

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you were there? Yes, and you never laid are you no?

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And w and it was it is somebody waiting to

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leave for you to get there.

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Yes.

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And this night who was there?

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Was Ms Spopper Mixing him thinking if I remember, I'm sorry.

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I understand your words. Can you speak maybe louder? I

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know you can't change your voice, but yes, sir, a

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little louder please, we're closer to the money.

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Can you tell tell us what missus Libby when you

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got there on June seventh or twenty twenty one, shortly

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for a where was miss Lebby in the bed? And

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as a professional caregiver and this was what time of night?

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Eight o'clock that night.

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If one of your patients that you're taking care of

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is in the bed est, do you like to disturb her? No,

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it's the sleeping Do you want to wake them up?

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No?

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So when you got there was miss Levy in bed?

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She was in bed?

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Yes?

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And do you get brief by miss Mixing on what

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happened during the day or do y'all exchange Hey, you.

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Know is coming with you know change or she need

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to be a change or whatever like that?

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Make sure that she's.

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She's dry, it's okay, yes?

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And s what is your desk or what's your what's

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your position when you're there? When you're in her room

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miss Levy's room?

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Yes, okay?

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Where are you? Where? Where's your Where do you sit

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when you're in the room?

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Why?

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What do you do to take care of her?

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In the in the recliner? Happy recliner? Sit there?

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And is there a TV in the room?

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Yes?

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And do you is the TV usually own when you're

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there at miss Levy in the evening?

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Or yes?

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Okay? Was it on this night? It was on?

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Yes?

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And do you remember what y'all were watching? What? What

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was on tv?

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American says? A game show?

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Save it again?

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American says the game show?

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Okay, how long has that been on?

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It's she says, on it's repeats, it's afterwards repeats itself.

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What channel is that on?

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The game network? Show channel? Excuse me?

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At some point on the evening of June Salad for

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twenty one, did you see Alex Murdock?

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Yes?

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Okay, do you remember what time it was? Approximately?

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The game show was on, so it had to been

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eight o'clock, eight thirty, nine thirty somewhere very there.

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Eight thirty nine, nine thirty somewhere every there? Is it

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fair to sales later than the evening?

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It was late in the evening?

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Yes, And you had worked that schedule for that eight

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pm to eight am shift for how long?

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Two years?

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Two years?

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Years?

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Was it unusual to see Alex Murdon at that residence

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that time of night?

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Yes, on my shift?

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Yes, and that's the only shift you'd worked. Yes, so

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the eight pm to the eight am shift, it was

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unusual to see Alex Murdoch there visiting? Correct?

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Correct? Yes?

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Have you ever been over there before that time of night?

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I think different? Off and on. It all depends.

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When he got there. Can you tell the jury what happened?

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He called the house and told me he was outside.

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He called the house. Yes, what phone did he call?

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M It's a terrible question. Was it your phone? The

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house phone?

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I'm not on the house phone, okay?

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And when you answered the house phone? Uh?

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What did he say he was outside?

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It?

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Let him in?

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He was out the house? Yes, right outside the house. Yes.

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And he called him yes, and he said let me in.

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Yes.

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And after he called you, how long did it take

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you to go open the door? To let him in

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about five about five minutes, so he was right there,

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that's to happen. Yes, you let him in, of course.

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Yes.

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Do you remember what he was wearing?

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Shorts okay, and a sh t shirt.

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Do you remember what kind of shoes he had on?

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Those cloth, cloth shoes like speries, that type of material

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that spirits, that type of material, cloth shoes, cloth shoes, Yeah,

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that cloth, I mean yes.

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And you said something called spirit.

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Something like spiritce that you know, that kind of a

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what was cloth okay, that kind of Yeah.

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Wasn't boots, No, it wasn't boot snow And are you

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familiar with tennis shoes?

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Yes?

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It was it tennis shoes. No, it was the tennis

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shoes cloth, spirit type shoes.

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Yes.

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Did he have any socks on? No? No. Tell the

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ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Could you describe Alex

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mrdau's demeanor on June seventh when you were there with

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him and his mother Libby. He just the actor.

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Black, fidgety. This came in in US speak up fidgety, la,

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fidgety thinking it's normal. What did save happened?

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Like?

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He was fidgety like.

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Yeah, fidgety, Yes, and did he tell you why he

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was there?

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No, he just came to see his mother.

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Kay.

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Did he talk to his mother but she was asleep? Yes,

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she was asleep. Okay. And what did he do? What

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did Alex let All do when his mother was asleep?

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He came in so in the bed cause we was

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a he knew I was watching I say the Americans

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says and say the game show.

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Did he did he say anything to his mother?

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He said, hey, mom, how you doing? You know, just

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came a check up on you? Yeah?

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Did he say why come to check up on her?

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Cause daddy was in the hospital, you know, called him Hanslo. Yeah,

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it was in the hospital.

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And in your opinion as being there her caregiver. Did

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she even know that he was there? No, Godge, you know.

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The objects the world?

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He said no, no not. I said no. How long

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did he stay in the room with y'all? I say,

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y'all with the record you have, Misslaby apologizes.

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About fifteen to twenty minutes? Twenty minutes.

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Was he moving around the room, No, he was laying

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on the bed. Did you have his phone with it? Yes?

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Was he looking at his phone?

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Yes, he was on his phone.

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Yes, I'm sorry man. Yes, after that initial conversation you said,

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he said, I'm here. Did he have any other tenth

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to have any other conversation on this laby?

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No?

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Okay, didn't hold your hand out? Did he ever hold

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her hand?

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Yes, he did hold her hold on.

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Did you talk to her?

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Yes?

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She was in the bed yet, yes? And her condition

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then was what she was, you know, sleep off and

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on sleep.

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How long did he stay there? Yes? From past minute I.

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Forget twenty minutes, about twenty minutes, twenty minutes, about twenty minutes.

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What happened after that.

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He left?

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M hm, you'll shifting and when.

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Eight o'clock next morning?

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At some point after that? And did you get a

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call from miss Maxon? Yes? Did you learn what had

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happened at Moselle? Yes?

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At some point after that?

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Did you get a call from a family member? I

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really don't know who it was.

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But yes, yes.

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Do you remember who was?

403
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Yes?

404
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Okay, who was Randy Randy Murda Randy, Yes, Alex Murdall's brother. Yes.

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And as a result of that, what was up? Were

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you expecting people to come over after that?

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No?

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After that phone call, were you expecting people to come

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spend the night that yes, okay, who who was gonna

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come over? He told me.

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John Marvin on Buster and his girlfriend and Alex.

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John Marvin Buster and his girlfriend be out.

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Yes.

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And did you and in fact see them later on

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that night or that morning the next morning? I'm sorry?

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Did they come down to after you got a call

417
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from mister and he saying they were coming? Did they come?

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They came?

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Yes?

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And at some point later on that morning did you

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see Alex Murdoll again? Did you see him again that morning?

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Nope?

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Did you ever come looking for glasses that morning?

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That night?

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He was in there, He came to the glasses, he

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said he couldn't sleep.

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And mister Randolph or solicit Randolph died shortly a couple

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of days after that. Yes, Now you were working the

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eight pm a am shift. Were you asked to work

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more after this to get the family through this? Well?

431
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You asked to help more at the house.

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Yes, And were you happy to do that? Of course?

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And do you remember the day of mister so let's

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tip a quas, let's that's way I know it's less

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Radolfs funeral? Yes, and and and I've been reading through

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all this stuff. If it's a.

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Repast and repasses with everybody to come back after.

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The funeral to eat. Everybody comes back. Yes, well after

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the funeral. Did people come to all me to sort

440
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of like a visitation after the funeral?

441
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Yes?

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Okay. Did folks come over there then? Yes? And was

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the family there then? Yes? And during this for a

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past visitation, where were you what? And I said, what

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was your job during that? Or what were you doing

446
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during the visitation?

447
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I was in the room at missus libby this back

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and forth and and and sometime that afternoon did you

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see Alex Murlo Yes, okay, tell the jury about that, please.

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He came in the room, you know, it's he'd speak up, man.

451
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He came in the room and speak that, you know,

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spoke like he always do.

453
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And and what did he tell you?

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So that he was sitting at the house. He was

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at the house, Say it again. He was at the house.

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And I'm not a hundred cent following he was telling

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you or saying.

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To you that he was at the house when the

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night of the murders. Yes, what was he telling you

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about that he was at the house and not of

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the murder that.

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He had been at thirty to forty minutes.

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Was he telling you that? Did he ask you anything

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about that when he was talking to you?

465
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Yes?

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Did he indicate to you what he wanted you to

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do with that information?

468
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No?

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Mm mm no not.

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What did he say?

471
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He had to say that he was at the house

472
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at thirty to forty minutes? I said, he said, what.

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Was he there thirty or forty minutes?

474
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Not?

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Not too much?

476
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Was all?

477
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Why are you crying?

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He said, cause he's a a good fam a good family,

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and I love work in it, and I'm say sorry

480
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all this happened. It good people, you know.

481
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But he wasn't there No thirty or forty minutes? Was he?

482
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No?

483
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No, jet Al can't leave it with us.

484
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Did that Did that conversation upset you somewhat? You upset

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right now?

486
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Yes?

487
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Did you call anybody about it?

488
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My brother?

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You called your brother after that conversation down, yes, to

490
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tell him about that conversation?

491
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Yes?

492
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Yeah. And just to be clear, what was the statement

493
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you said about how long you was here?

494
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Thirty to forty minutes?

495
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But but his phrase was I was here, are you?

496
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No?

497
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I was I was here thirty to forty minutes.

498
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Not the pride, But I can't help it sometime. What

499
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:34.920
else was going on in your life right there?

500
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:39.039
That this?

501
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.960
It's worth it? I was an hour's you're really you're

502
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.160
whisper as another star.

503
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:47.000
What you're saying.

504
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:49.720
When you gonna get married?

505
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:50.079
I was?

506
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.759
I was planning on getting married. I was planning on too.

507
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.880
And had Alex Murdon mentioned anything to you about your

508
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:05.759
upcoming nutur nuptials? Yes? And when was that? It was?

509
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.680
Then afterwards? Are thinking the day after this? I don't

510
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:12.480
think it was? Yes, conversation, Yes, where were you at

511
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:13.480
miss at the house?

512
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.319
And uh? What did he say about your marriage or

513
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.279
upcoming po? Take your marriage? Y?

514
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.319
I heard you was getting married? I said, yes, he

515
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.400
said back an he was let me know cause I

516
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:25.039
know where it's gonna be expensive. I well, thank you.

517
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:27.079
The wedding is gonna be expended.

518
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:28.599
He said, wait, it's gonna be expensed. That's well, thank you.

519
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.240
Did he offer to help, Yes, he offered, he offered you.

520
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.000
That's the type of person, A good person.

521
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:35.759
And did you ever mentioned the waiting to you before?

522
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:36.880
Nom?

523
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:38.599
Had you mentioned that to him before?

524
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:38.759
No?

525
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:43.880
We had. Did he think have a conversation in anything

526
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:44.720
else about your job?

527
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:48.720
Were you working at the school Yes, at the school.

528
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.319
Guess did mister Merdaud mentioned to you about your school

529
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:52.200
and your position there?

530
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:52.720
Yes?

531
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.000
Tell him what he said?

532
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.039
He said that, you know, if you need to put

533
00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:59.240
position at school, you know my good friend is there.

534
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.240
I said, yeah, I know worked at the school, the principal.

535
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.720
I believe you testified you. Did you help out more

536
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.160
than just your regular shift the rest of this week? Yes?

537
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:30.039
That week after the murders and Slicter Murdolf's dead, were

538
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:31.759
you working full time then trying to help?

539
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:32.160
Yes?

540
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.359
With school out then no, so you still going to

541
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:46.519
school land helping? Yes? And after mister randolph funeral, did

542
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.839
you have an occasion to see Alex Mrnau early one morning?

543
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:50.599
Yes?

544
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.440
Do you know how long it was? How many days

545
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.319
after the funeral with mister Murnau?

546
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:01.279
Three days?

547
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:02.279
Paint three days?

548
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:08.720
Can you tell the uh, lady and gentlemen's jury what

549
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.000
time it was in the morning that you saw Alex

550
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:13.799
Murdo six thirty that morning?

551
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:15.799
Say that again, six thirty that morning?

552
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.599
And that had been a part of your regular shifts

553
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:24.599
right eight to eight am? Yes? And uh did he

554
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:29.880
call you in tay he was coming? No, he didn't. Well,

555
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.920
how did had he called you on June seventh and

556
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.400
sold he was coming? Yes, and he was right outside

557
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:35.720
the house.

558
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:36.799
Yes, huh.

559
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.640
And this morning at six thirty he did not call you. No,

560
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:42.920
How did you know he was on the premises?

561
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.319
He knocked on the by the bedroom he had the

562
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.039
window knocks, Yes.

563
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:48.680
On the wall.

564
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:51.680
Well, did you hear him say anything after that?

565
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.119
He said, I'm outside. Say it again, I'm outside.

566
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:01.279
Kay. Had he ever been there at six or thirty

567
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:06.240
in the morning before that? Why you were working there? No, sir, never,

568
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.519
no m And tell the ladies to deal with the jury.

569
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.559
What you observed that morning when you saw Alex Merrell.

570
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:17.839
He came into the white tr up in the white truck,

571
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:18.640
came in the white truck.

572
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:28.640
Was there still funeral stuff strock the world? World? There's

573
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.920
still funeral equipment in the yard, couldn't? Yes?

574
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:35.039
Like what the tent was still there in the the

575
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:37.039
big old building. It up to put the food in

576
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:38.799
hand down there and I call it yeah, like a

577
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.799
food truck, Yeah, food truck yesterday, Captain christ Was that.

578
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:42.839
Blocking your view? Saw?

579
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.200
Yes? I mean yes, ye.

580
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.480
So when you saw Alex mrdall this morning at six thirty,

581
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:51.400
what did he do after he knocked on the door.

582
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.519
Did you let him in? Yes? Then what did he do?

583
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:55.480
Came inside?

584
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:57.559
And uh?

585
00:31:58.039 --> 00:31:59.759
Was miss Lady's sleeping? Yes?

586
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:00.680
She still sleeping?

587
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:02.519
Okay? Did he go check on Miss Liddy?

588
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:03.960
No, he didn't come in.

589
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:05.960
He didn't go check on her.

590
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:07.440
I can't.

591
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.200
I can't remember. Well, what did he do then he

592
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:14.000
came inside?

593
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:18.880
And did he have anything or was he holding anything?

594
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.720
He had a blue something in his hand, say that

595
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.039
one with a blue tart? Blue something in his hand?

596
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.119
Something blue, a blue something in his hand?

597
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:31.000
And and you showed me how he was holding it

598
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:32.680
like this? Sorry if I touch it?

599
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.200
What's how was he doing it like this?

600
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.519
Holding something like this? Yes? And what did it look like?

601
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:40.400
Like a blue tart?

602
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:41.039
Like a tart?

603
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:42.920
Blue? Blue?

604
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:43.559
Okay?

605
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:45.640
Was it vinyl?

606
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:47.920
It's like a tart that can put on a car.

607
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:49.240
You can keep your car coming.

608
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:50.839
Out of big thank? Yeah?

609
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:51.119
Blue?

610
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.079
And was he holding it like this like?

611
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:53.319
Yes?

612
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.720
Should you tell if it was anything in it?

613
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:56.519
Or do you not know?

614
00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:00.200
I couldn't tell, but not hold like this?

615
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:02.839
Did you say anything when you walked here?

616
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:03.279
No?

617
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:06.200
What did you do when you walked here?

618
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:07.200
Went upstairs?

619
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:40.679
This night?

620
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.679
Mister Murdall came in your I'll meet a residence that morning.

621
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.559
This is stakes two twenty three. Do you recognize that?

622
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:48.320
Yes?

623
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.039
What is that upstairs? Going upstairs?

624
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.239
And is that where he went Alex murder that morning? Yes,

625
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:59.719
carrying some blue thing. And this may be due better

626
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.199
for the I'm sorry. That's two twenty two, same stairs,

627
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:12.000
the same house. Yes, Stakes four thirteen. What is this?

628
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.039
That's the bedroom.

629
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.119
Where in now metia? Is this bedroom first floor, second floor?

630
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:18.719
First four?

631
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:25.400
Is this where miss Levy's stay, No, and four twelve

632
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.199
Is that the same.

633
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:28.039
Yes, same bedroom?

634
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:50.679
Yes, m hm, I will show you Mark's us mark

635
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:52.760
four to eleven. Don't don't call out now at sir,

636
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.280
missus Stakes four eleven for identification. At this point, do

637
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.880
you see the blue object in the center.

638
00:35:59.320 --> 00:35:59.519
Yes?

639
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.000
Does that appear to look like the object you've described? Yes,

640
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.400
you saying yes, yes? Is it blue?

641
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:07.159
It's blue?

642
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.039
Is it vital? Yes? That appears to be the same

643
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.320
thing you saw of the defendant holding this early morning

644
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.079
hours when he came in the house. Is that right?

645
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.679
It looks so yes, you know this is six four eleven.

646
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.679
We'd offer at this point no objections that made it.

647
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:40.440
Let me let me just I don't know how to

648
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.480
ask except ask did you ever see that blue thing

649
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.840
unfolded when you were that morning or you saw him

650
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:47.199
caring it?

651
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:48.599
It was unfolded?

652
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:49.000
Okay?

653
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:50.800
Where'd you see it in the bedroom?

654
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:55.599
That's and where in the bedroom on the chair? And

655
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:57.280
again I'm not clear. Was that in one of these

656
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:05.559
pictures which showed you what chair? Did they disappear?

657
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:06.280
Oh?

658
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:12.360
I'm sorry, Oh, Paul God, was that on one of

659
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.920
these chairs in this yes? Okay? And I'm referring again

660
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.039
to four twelve. You saw it on the chair?

661
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:18.400
Yes?

662
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.039
Did you you end up leaving at some point in

663
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.079
that day? Right? Yes? When you came back the next day,

664
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:28.159
was that there? No?

665
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:29.920
It wasn't it was gone? Yes, it was on.

666
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:38.280
Did you see Alex Carnall leave after he went upstairs?

667
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:39.639
Do you know what he did upstairs? No?

668
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:40.519
I don't know.

669
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.039
Did you actually see him leave the house after he

670
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:44.599
went upstairs?

671
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:44.840
Yes?

672
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.519
And where did he go?

673
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:49.920
Oh?

674
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:51.880
I don't know. He slept outside and left?

675
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.000
Okay? Did he say hey, I'm leaving, yes?

676
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:54.559
Except gone?

677
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.639
Yes? And at that point what did you think did

678
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:00.519
you think he gone?

679
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:01.519
I thought he left?

680
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:06.480
Yes? Did you see him after that, yes, tell him

681
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.159
where please?

682
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:07.599
He came.

683
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.199
He came back to the house. And how do you

684
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:14.119
know that cause the blind was open. I seen him

685
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.639
came through in the driveway.

686
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:19.400
And and what did you see him? Was he walking?

687
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:20.119
Was he driving?

688
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.519
When you saw him in the driveway, he was driving

689
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:22.880
the truck?

690
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.280
And and I'm sorry, miss Smith found out what truck?

691
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:26.840
Was he driving?

692
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.239
The white truck?

693
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:29.800
And whose white truck was that?

694
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.599
I'm thinking of mister Renold. I thought it was his truck.

695
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:34.920
He had the white truck also, he had a.

696
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.559
White truck also. So when you saw you st testified,

697
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.440
Miss Mirroll coming back in a white truck, that was

698
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:44.119
mister randolph truck. Whose truck was.

699
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.880
I don't know, buss your words as opposed to m

700
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:50.960
M m or because we need need to tell you

701
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.360
exactly what you were saying, So yes or no, if

702
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:53.880
you can.

703
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:57.239
Whose truck did you think it was?

704
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:01.679
I thought it was mister Randolph's truck.

705
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:09.119
And were there four wheelers or ATVs out on that property? Yes? Okay,

706
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.960
what if anything had you observed about a four wheeler

707
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:12.519
that morning?

708
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.800
It was at the house. Where had it in previously

709
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.800
at the smokehouse? When did it get moved the same

710
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.480
day of that, the same morning.

711
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.599
Same morning when mister Murdall was there. Yes, and in

712
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.880
what direction did you see mister Murda'll leave When you

713
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.880
saw him leave the house and you thought he was gone,

714
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:34.320
do you know where you went?

715
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:34.960
No?

716
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.880
And when he came back in this white truck, what

717
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:39.280
did he do?

718
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:40.960
You got another truck?

719
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:42.880
How long was he gone?

720
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.599
Probably about ten minutes or fifteen minutes? Think it?

721
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.239
And then you saved this other truck? What truck are

722
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:48.760
you talking about?

723
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:49.559
It was a black truck.

724
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:51.800
Had you not seen that before?

725
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:52.519
No?

726
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:53.159
Why not?

727
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:58.280
Cause the the the food truck, that the catering thing

728
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.400
was still out there anyway, so I couldn't see. So

729
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:01.960
that blocked your view, It's blocked my view.

730
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:06.079
Yes, So what viehicle did mister Murnall leave after he

731
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:07.800
came back in the white truck? What color truck?

732
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:08.960
It was a black truck?

733
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:20.199
Like you gonna whose that was? No? That morning this

734
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.039
morning when you first saw him at six point thirty,

735
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:28.679
did you observe anything about his face? Any on his face? Think?

736
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:30.719
Cause I got a little colored, a little brute color

737
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.239
something and it it ma man, I apologize a little

738
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:35.239
what cut, like a like a little bruise or something.

739
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:37.760
Where was it that the buffs forty head?

740
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:39.480
Okay, I wanna ask you to touch me, but can

741
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:40.960
you touch yourself to show work right here?

742
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:41.880
Something right here?

743
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:43.199
Did it look fresh?

744
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.480
Just looked like a cut? Not if I wouldn't say fresh,

745
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:49.199
but it's look.

746
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:03.079
Was it a videot system in in in the house

747
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.480
for either of sister Murda or missus Libby Murdon?

748
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:07.239
Yes?

749
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:09.559
Can you tell them about that? Where was that?

750
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:10.079
What was that?

751
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.159
It was in the miss miss Libby's bedroom?

752
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.519
Okay? And h how was that activated or operated? Better?

753
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:17.840
See you?

754
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:17.920
No?

755
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:18.760
No?

756
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.599
Okay? What was it on all the time or not? Yes? Yeah?

757
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:25.880
And what color would it be? What if it was on?

758
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.599
Was there a marker that are uh red and black

759
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:29.199
or red.

760
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.760
And green subclans? Yes?

761
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.079
And would there be times when that wasn't? Not?

762
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:36.760
Yes?

763
00:41:37.920 --> 00:42:09.159
And do you know who controlled it? No, I'm gonna

764
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.480
show you what's mark fourteen? Do you recognize this?

765
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:16.360
Yes?

766
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.880
Mkay? And does it relate to what we're talking about

767
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:21.400
this morning as far as your location?

768
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:23.199
Yes?

769
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:29.000
You under fourteen? I believe without objection says it relates

770
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.639
and your custom of you wish she was an Okay.

771
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.880
Objection, submit it without objection. It's submitted.

772
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.800
The kid. Could you see this on your look? You

773
00:42:47.800 --> 00:43:00.559
got a little thing of the Do you mind coming

774
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.119
down here? Judge? Can she come down here? Pray briefly?

775
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:14.079
Here won't be long if you would stand up. There's

776
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.440
this wind blocking the jersey, please, you said, mister Grican.

777
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:21.960
Can see? Is this a picture of what referred to

778
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:22.599
as our meeting?

779
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:23.079
Yes?

780
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.400
And can you show where the I guess I called

781
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:30.760
the main house? And I'm sorry we don't have a pointer.

782
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.039
That's the main house. And you act to say yes

783
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.800
for the record demandages.

784
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.599
Yes, and and down here?

785
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:42.000
I know it's sorry to see. Can you tell what

786
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:42.400
that is?

787
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:47.159
Yeah?

788
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:49.119
Wow?

789
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:50.719
Sorry?

790
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.760
Did he points in the bandouts again? I thought he glossom? Jerse?

791
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:57.360
I saw John?

792
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:58.000
Here?

793
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:00.480
Is that where you took care of his living? Yes?

794
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:00.960
Okay?

795
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.239
Now down here there's a little old lord. You know

796
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:12.440
what that says? Down here? Let me ask you just

797
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:13.320
what up the buildings?

798
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:13.480
Wrong?

799
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.119
A s the smoke house, and a barn, another little shed?

800
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:19.760
And where were the ATVs?

801
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:21.199
Usually at the smokehouse?

802
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:22.639
Where's the smoke at that's it?

803
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:23.159
Yeah?

804
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.960
That s that's the smoke. App that's where the at

805
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:30.719
sh was. And where did the atv end up? When

806
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.280
you saw it after you thought mister Mordaunt left and

807
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.320
it moved at.

808
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.800
The mean house. Say that again, please in the main house.

809
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:44.960
Okay. And when you saw him coming back, he thought

810
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:46.719
he left. Where'd you see him in the white truck?

811
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:47.559
You remember.

812
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.159
He left him across the railroad tap his railroad track?

813
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.880
You know, he left him across the railroad track. I

814
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.159
went out which way.

815
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:08.920
To railroad tracks?

816
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:17.239
Oh gosh, this way? I mean that's the house. So

817
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:18.599
had it been around cause I had.

818
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:21.000
To drive through, you know, say anything really streaking up?

819
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.960
I'm trying out. That's good, go back to sit down.

820
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:24.639
That's what I like.

821
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.599
Now if you talk to a thing that Mr Griffin

822
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.599
or Mr Hart putin or one of their investigators.

823
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:36.000
Yes, cap where it was?

824
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:44.360
Yeah? Oh god, have been less you remember, I'm not

825
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.119
looking for a day and time, but you know how

826
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.239
long it got. It was last year and I met

827
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.159
with you a couple of weeks ago, yes, and just

828
00:45:52.199 --> 00:46:01.800
a little while ago this morning. Yes. And I have

829
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.280
to ask you for the record. Uh this Alex murdaal

830
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.960
who came and saw you the night of the murders

831
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:14.280
with the shorts and shirt and the Sperry type left's

832
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.320
own was at him over there?

833
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:15.840
Yes?

834
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:23.079
And is he also the person that you said told

835
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:29.280
you he'd been there thirty to forty minutes? Yes? And

836
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.880
is he also the person you saw in the house

837
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:33.800
that night? Was some kind of blue vinyl that you

838
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.519
said consistent with this picture we put in? Is that him?

839
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:37.159
Yes?

840
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.079
Thank you so right of defense?

841
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:40.840
Thank you?

842
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:54.400
Uh good after name of Smith.

843
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:55.000
Good happen?

844
00:46:55.079 --> 00:47:01.360
Now we had met once or twice the Did anyone

845
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:03.719
ever show you a blue rain jacket?

846
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:06.639
No?

847
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.800
No, no, yes, yes, I think so.

848
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.880
Yes, some of our investigators show you, showed you a

849
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:15.719
picture of a blue rain jacket picture everything.

850
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:17.360
Yes, But has.

851
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:20.320
Anyone that Slid or the Attorney General's office ever shown

852
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:21.360
you a blue rain jact?

853
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:21.599
No.

854
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.960
Now you saw mister Elliot Murdoch bring a tarp in,

855
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.639
you said, right, yes, And I'm gonna show you a

856
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:42.480
tart which we've marked for identification purpose, is your honor

857
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:52.320
Exhibit eighty six. Is this the type of tarp that

858
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:58.119
mister Murdoch came in to the Alameda House on the

859
00:47:58.239 --> 00:47:59.360
day that we're talking about.

860
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.039
Yes, harp like this that would.

861
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.559
Maybe cover up a car, Is that right?

862
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:07.920
Yes?

863
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.159
Any way to confuse this with a rain jacket. No,

864
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:14.400
he was not carrying a rain jacket.

865
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:15.599
Was he. No, it was bald up.

866
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:16.199
I don't know him.

867
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:19.840
And you said it was balled up, and it was

868
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.000
balled in such a minor that did not look like

869
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.880
there was a shovel handle, a gun or anything.

870
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:25.760
It's just balled up.

871
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:26.199
Is that right?

872
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:26.719
Correct?

873
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:28.599
Have I bolted up short of correctly?

874
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:28.960
Yes?

875
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:30.199
All right?

876
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:33.039
No, we have no objects in that going in. Yeah,

877
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:33.760
I didn't move.

878
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.679
Vivid eighty six I think, and Evans.

879
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:44.800
Had a church. Now what.

880
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:48.360
Alec left.

881
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:50.800
That day?

882
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.719
This was laid out on missus Libby's retirement rocking chair,

883
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:56.039
wasn't it?

884
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:56.360
Yes?

885
00:48:56.760 --> 00:49:01.280
Okay? And you had and when you left end of

886
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.760
your chef that day that's where it was, right, yes,

887
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:06.639
and you've never seen it since?

888
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:07.079
Correct?

889
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:07.480
Correct?

890
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.760
Now they showed you a picture which is in evidence.

891
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.079
Do you even know where that picture was taken in

892
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.079
the house? Now?

893
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:19.800
What do we have that picture?

894
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.400
What's the last fun graduate? Wouldn't have it?

895
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:49.119
Can you see that?

896
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:49.719
Miss Smith?

897
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:50.280
Yes?

898
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:51.960
Do you know where that is?

899
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:56.159
And or even if it is in missus Lebby's house.

900
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.199
I couldn't say, because I don't go there. I don't

901
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:06.559
get any closets.

902
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.159
So you don't even recognize the closet. Is that right?

903
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:10.880
Correct?

904
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:14.159
And if you ever even been upstairs in miss Libby's

905
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.320
house twice two times over how many years?

906
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:18.000
Three years?

907
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:22.400
Two times and three years? And do you know where

908
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.079
Ali Murdoch went when he went upstairs on the day

909
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.039
that he brought a blue tarp in the house?

910
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:30.519
Nope?

911
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:35.000
Okay, Now you mentioned that that this day that he

912
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:42.679
came over was about three days after mister Randolph Murdoch's funeral.

913
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:43.119
Is that right?

914
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:43.639
Yes?

915
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.679
And it was early in the morning, yes. And do

916
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:58.679
you remember that mister Randolph's funeral being on a Sunday, Yes,

917
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.320
so then it would be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of that week,

918
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:03.840
is that right?

919
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:05.360
Yes? Correct?

920
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.800
And And is that the morning that you you said

921
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:12.880
that you thought you saw a bruise on his forehead?

922
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:17.920
Yes, so it was.

923
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.840
Wednesday after mister randolph funeral.

924
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:26.440
I'm thinking I can't I can't remember it so long,

925
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:27.440
I can't remember.

926
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:27.840
Yes, ma'am.

927
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:29.159
And the.

928
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.480
And you mentioned that it was that he came in

929
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.599
a truck. I think you said he drove up in

930
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:40.840
a white truck. Is that correct? Yes? And and he

931
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.480
does have a white truck as far as you know, right, yes, yes.

932
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.360
And then you said he left in a white truck.

933
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:49.360
And are you sure that it was mister Randolph's truck

934
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.639
or mister Alex truck that he left.

935
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.679
Him because it was move Mister Randow had always keep

936
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.800
his truck in a certain position, a certain part.

937
00:51:56.559 --> 00:52:01.079
So you think he left in mister Randolphs truck and move. Yes,

938
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:06.159
And when you came back, excuse me, when you left

939
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:11.000
that that morning? I guess Wednesday were talking about the

940
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:17.239
Was mister randolph truck back in the driveway? Yes, parked

941
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:18.079
in this normal place?

942
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:18.480
Yes?

943
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:22.519
Anything out of sort? No? Was it all covered up

944
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:29.920
with mud like someone's been mudding in it? No, anything

945
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:31.119
unusual about the truck.

946
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:31.440
No.

947
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:36.880
Now, you mentioned there was a four wheeler that had

948
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:41.719
been moved at some point in time. That four wheel

949
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.639
had a flat tire, didn't it, Yes, it did it.

950
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:46.119
Was it a front tire, back tire?

951
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:47.280
I think it was a back tire.

952
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.280
And it was moved up close to the house, Yes,

953
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:53.920
far as you know, so the tire could be repaired.

954
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:56.360
Yes, it was moved from the small house to the

955
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.360
wreckt house. Yes, with a flat tire, Yes, with a

956
00:52:59.400 --> 00:52:59.920
flat tire.

957
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:21.599
Now you ask questions about the the day of uh,

958
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.960
mister Randolph's funeral, and you had a conversation with Alec

959
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.199
and he's talking to you about how long you was

960
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:37.639
over at the house on the night of June the seventh, right, yes,

961
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:43.880
And he said he was there thirty to forty minutes, yes,

962
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.000
And you said, no, I don't think it was that long.

963
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:47.760
Yes.

964
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:54.679
And then the the next day, I think you said,

965
00:53:54.840 --> 00:54:00.960
or day after well, the following day or I guess

966
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.280
I was in a Monday, you had another conversation with

967
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.039
him where you just brought up back that you were

968
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:07.840
gonna get married. I think you said that was a

969
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:13.199
different day, right, yes. And and he was just being nice,

970
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:13.760
wasn't he.

971
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:14.239
Yes.

972
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:15.800
I think you used the.

973
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.079
Word good person, good person. Yes. Who were you referring

974
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.400
to when you testified in response to the question by

975
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.079
mister Meadows that someone's a good person?

976
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:26.519
Mister Alex my up.

977
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:46.760
Now, he he came over on the night of June

978
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:52.239
the seventh, and you said it was somewhere between eight

979
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.519
thirty and nine thirty in the evening.

980
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:55.920
Yes, and.

981
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.199
That's that's just your best testament of when he got

982
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.280
there is and I think you testified that he was

983
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.519
there in your estimation fifteen to twenty minutes. Yes, Now

984
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.519
when you said fifteen to twenty minutes, a're you talking

985
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:13.440
about fifteen to twenty minutes in the room with Mss

986
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.599
Libby or on the property the whole time?

987
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:17.880
Property the whole time?

988
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:18.320
Thank it?

989
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.159
Okay? Well, now you said it took you about five

990
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:24.360
minutes to let him in, is that right?

991
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:24.719
Yes?

992
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:32.079
So are you including the five minutes that took him

993
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.039
to let him in in your fifteen to twenty or

994
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:35.920
could have been on the property twenty five minutes?

995
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.079
It's twenty minutes, own thing? Is no cut the whole time.

996
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:48.360
And you would agree that Alec Murdoch would visit his

997
00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:53.840
parents frequently, right, yes, and he would always come over,

998
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:57.239
more so than any other civiling.

999
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:57.840
Is that right? Yes?

1000
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:06.440
And and well you would agree that was not out

1001
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:10.880
of the ordinary for Allen to come at night, correct? Yes,

1002
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.599
you would agree with that, right. No, so you don't

1003
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.920
agree that that is so?

1004
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:18.320
Is it?

1005
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.039
It was it out of out of the ordinary for

1006
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:21.880
him to come at night?

1007
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:22.519
Yes?

1008
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.440
On my shift yes, what do you recall.

1009
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:29.079
Being interviewed a bed a telephone interview on June seventeenth,

1010
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:36.360
twenty twenty one, with agent Joe Albiata.

1011
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:38.440
You remember that, yes?

1012
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:40.559
And do you remember telling him that it was not

1013
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:43.039
out out of the ordinary for Alet to come at night?

1014
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.280
Yes, it's been a long and I couldn't remember. It's

1015
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:47.840
so it's been a year now, so I can't really remember.

1016
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:50.599
I mean, is it possible to you told him that?

1017
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:51.079
Yes?

1018
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:07.159
And and and here today you you said, as I

1019
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:08.920
have in my notes, that when he came over that

1020
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:13.400
that he was acting kind of fidgety yet normal. I

1021
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:17.280
believe that's what you said. It's his normal behavior, kind

1022
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:21.960
of fidgety. Yes, he's just kind of a fidgety person, right, Yes,

1023
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:24.400
So it wasn't the first time you had seen him

1024
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:25.760
being kind of fidgety.

1025
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:27.960
Right, But he always come different times, so I came,

1026
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:31.800
you know, But but you.

1027
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.840
His demeanor was normal for Alec the night that he

1028
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.320
came over on juneor seventh, wasn't it?

1029
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.960
I said, yes, okay, Now.

1030
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:47.199
You mentioned the clothes that he was wearing, and and

1031
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:51.159
he came in and he sat on his mom's bed. Yes,

1032
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.480
laid down next to it and held her hand.

1033
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:58.480
Walked in and hold her hand and spoke to her.

1034
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:00.119
Then went on the bed and I made down and

1035
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.480
laid down, not lay down to sit up.

1036
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:08.960
And when he got up, off off the bed? Was

1037
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:11.159
a bed sold in any way? Was it wet?

1038
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:14.400
I can't recall that and touched it?

1039
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:19.719
What did Alec have? Alc Murdoch have blood on his clothes?

1040
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:25.280
Noye had blood on his shoes. No, he had blood

1041
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:25.880
on his hair.

1042
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:26.320
No?

1043
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:45.320
Did he leave blood in his mom's bedroom? No? Now,

1044
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.320
according to the records that we've been providing this case,

1045
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:55.960
you were interviewed by Sled on June sixteenth. You remember

1046
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:01.360
that interview, yes, and I think that interview toast Lad

1047
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.480
that he would had been there thirty to thirty five minutes.

1048
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:05.320
Do you remember telling him that?

1049
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:06.480
I think yes?

1050
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:16.719
And then you were interviewed again by telephone on June seventeenth.

1051
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:24.840
You remember that follow up call? You remember having a

1052
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.159
short phone call on the seventeenth.

1053
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:28.280
A phone call.

1054
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:35.760
Okay, Well, whether it's one interview or two interviews, you

1055
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:43.679
never told anybody it Sled in June, in these interviews

1056
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.719
one or two, anything about Alec coming in with a

1057
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:52.559
blue tarf. Is that right? Right? You didn't say anything

1058
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:56.320
about a blue tarf until sometime in September, is that right? Yes?

1059
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:15.679
And you initially mentioned something about Alec coming over with

1060
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.480
a tart. The first time you mentioned it was to

1061
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:24.480
Officer Joseph Dingle of the Allendale Police Department when he

1062
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.960
was working the wreck. Do you remember that that? Yes? Yes,

1063
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:35.000
And you had been in the automobile accident and Officer

1064
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:39.000
Dingle was working the wreck and I guess filling out

1065
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.559
an answer report and you were having a conversation with Yes,

1066
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:50.880
And in that conversation with Officer Dingle, didn't you tell

1067
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.920
him that? Didn't you tell Officer Dingle that on the

1068
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.119
night of the murders that Alec came over with a

1069
01:00:57.559 --> 01:00:59.960
blue tart that looked like it had a gun in it.

1070
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:02.119
No, I sadthing like he was holding like he was

1071
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:02.840
holding something.

1072
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:04.480
So you didn't say.

1073
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:06.400
I didn't say Pacific was a gonna said he was

1074
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:07.119
holding something?

1075
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.559
Hm. So you didn't tell Officer Dingle that that he

1076
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:20.679
came over and you couldn't tell but stated it looked

1077
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:21.320
like a rifle.

1078
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.400
No, I said it was like he was holding something.

1079
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:24.960
I did not say it was a rifle.

1080
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.559
And if Osicer Dingle rot report up saying that he

1081
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:32.639
was just incorrect.

1082
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:33.559
Yes.

1083
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.199
And then after you had this conversation with Officer Dingle,

1084
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:48.079
then you were contacted by schled agents, right, and they

1085
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:52.119
asked you to go down to their offices, and that's

1086
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:57.480
where you were interviewed, uh in September. Yes, And in

1087
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.000
that interview you told him about a blue tar you put.

1088
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:02.400
Over your car just like this, right?

1089
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:07.360
Is that correct? Yes? Okay? And you didn't tell them

1090
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.760
because it's not true that that there was anything wrapped

1091
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:13.519
up here in here to look like a rifle, okay.

1092
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:26.519
And since that day of the interview at the Low

1093
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:31.039
Country Sled office, have you had any additional interviews with

1094
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:34.920
Sledding other than getting ready for trial this week last week?

1095
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:35.400
Yes?

1096
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:37.440
How many additional interviews?

1097
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:39.320
Two? Two or three?

1098
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:45.239
And and in each of those interviews, did you reiterate

1099
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.239
the sled that it was a blue tart and not

1100
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.400
a rain jacket that you saw Ellen Mordoch walking into

1101
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:59.239
the house with. Yes? Is there any doubt in your

1102
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.519
mind it was a blue tart like this and not

1103
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:02.199
a range act?

1104
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:04.119
Can you have a small toppers a little tie.

1105
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.519
So you saw it laying on miss Lebby's retirement rocking chair.

1106
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:13.559
N Yes, h m.

1107
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.920
The second you're on. It's just just one more point

1108
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:27.519
when when Elec Murdoch came over on that early morning.

1109
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:33.039
I guess it was a Wednesday where you testified. Were

1110
01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:34.360
you in miss Lebby's room?

1111
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:35.320
Yes?

1112
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.480
And can you you can't see the comings and goings

1113
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.679
out of the driveway from miss Lebby's bedroom, can you

1114
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:49.239
you can't? No? Okay, thank you honest all?

1115
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.920
The question asked redirect.

1116
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:02.639
Testifying in front of on January twentieth, The twenty twenty

1117
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:07.480
two on page twenty five, line seventeen, when you were

1118
01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:09.840
asked about how long do you think he stayed in total?

1119
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:10.440
Do you remember that?

1120
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:11.320
Yes?

1121
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:17.039
Do you remember her actually being twenty ten, fifteen twenty minute? Yes.

1122
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:26.079
Mister Griffin asked you about the thirty to forty minutes.

1123
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:28.800
Why'd you call your brother after that?

1124
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:33.320
Cause he's a he's a chief assistant chief police at Wamville,

1125
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:34.320
so I call.

1126
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.360
Him at that statement by Alex Murdall affected you, Yes,

1127
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:48.760
how I was nervous and he Mister Griffin asked you

1128
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.840
about the evenings, the visits and the morning visits. Had

1129
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:53.920
he ever been there at six thirty in the morning

1130
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:58.559
like he was that morning? Ever? No, in his nine

1131
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:03.639
nine thirty visit the night of the murders. That was

1132
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:05.880
very unusual for him to be at night, wasn't it.

1133
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.360
If you actual leading, don't leave the room?

1134
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:08.960
I'm sorry?

1135
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:12.440
Yes?

1136
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:26.519
Was that unusual? Yes, that's so you you told an officer.

1137
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:29.079
Did you tell an officer about this he saw something

1138
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:31.960
that he thought he was caring? Yes, before you told

1139
01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:32.599
anybody else?

1140
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:33.280
Yes?

1141
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:35.639
And if what was that about a traffic accident?

1142
01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:38.559
I had someone hit my car and he was on duty.

1143
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:42.000
When was that September eleventh?

1144
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:46.840
That's my birthday? You had an accident and you told

1145
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:49.480
the officer that you had seen him Alex Murdau come

1146
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:50.159
and holding something.

1147
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:52.880
He was talking, was sading conversation and that came up

1148
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:56.239
and you just told him now he was talking.

1149
01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:58.119
Had anybody asked you that before?

1150
01:05:59.039 --> 01:05:59.320
M hm?

1151
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.599
You have to say yes or no? Yes, no, no

1152
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:03.280
that before?

1153
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:03.480
No?

1154
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:05.880
Okay, So why did you tell the officer that on

1155
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:06.760
September eleventh?

1156
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.519
Cause he would be was having a conversation and just

1157
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:13.079
talking in general, and he asked me a question and

1158
01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:14.679
I said, yes, I've been there, I said, I worked

1159
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:15.280
with the Murdocks.

1160
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:16.840
Keep you know that.

1161
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.760
His mother in response to him, you told him you

1162
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:24.719
saw Alex Murdall with what a lining? A blue tar

1163
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:27.360
and you saying tart or tart?

1164
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:29.880
Tart like a cup of car up with a.

1165
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.199
Tart, and you said you saw him with that, And

1166
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.199
did it appear he was carrying something.

1167
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:36.159
Like he was calling something? It was it was bundle up?

1168
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:37.400
I can't it was bundle up.

1169
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:40.800
Bundle up? Yes, like this? Yes? So you never saw

1170
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:41.559
this unfolded?

1171
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:44.199
No, I never saw me, never till the next morning,

1172
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:45.719
was on the chair. I'm just business through.

1173
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:47.639
And you don't know where this tark came from, did you?

1174
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:47.880
No?

1175
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:48.840
I don't know where this come from.

1176
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:54.880
And it didn't have silver on one side, did it?

1177
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:55.079
No?

1178
01:06:55.360 --> 01:07:00.159
It was all blue, all blue. And you said, did

1179
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.880
the defense took a statement from you? Yes? Did they

1180
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:07.360
report it? Yes? Going under rule six thirteen, I like

1181
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:09.239
a copy of that statement or the reporting at this

1182
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:11.599
time if they have it. She's now taking stand.

1183
01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:19.320
You're honor under rule five if it is not subject

1184
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.440
to being produced. And we didn't question her about the statement, So.

1185
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:26.679
Rule five is pre trial.

1186
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.639
Once a witness is taken the stand, and she said

1187
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.679
that they took a statement from her, either reported or written.

1188
01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:35.880
We don't have it hadn't been provided. He asked her

1189
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:40.199
about that, specifically dealing with the UH blue tarp and

1190
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:41.880
what they discussed it with. H might like a copy

1191
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:42.079
of it.

1192
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.039
I usually don't mind him having it. You know, ho it.

1193
01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:48.079
We don't have a copy with.

1194
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:54.599
Us, says upon request, sam shall be shown or disclosed

1195
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:58.480
to opposing counsel persenta to rule six eleven A. So

1196
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:01.400
defense must provided to a counselor.

1197
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:12.400
Right.

1198
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:14.119
We we do have a copy here. I don't know

1199
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:15.880
if we downloaded to yet.

1200
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:21.439
Yeah, to produce it on a flash right now, Judge,

1201
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:23.560
I mean I can't look at the fist drive, but yeah,

1202
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:25.000
I guess the harder.

1203
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:26.039
I heard.

1204
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:29.439
Not a real estate.

1205
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:31.479
It's an audio recording.

1206
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:36.359
To listen to without the presence here, assuming in your

1207
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:38.600
horror copy. But I don't wanna mess the court schedule

1208
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:39.000
up here.

1209
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:42.159
The general gonna have you go to the jury room.

1210
01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:46.680
Please not discuss the case. I thank you. You may proceed.

1211
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.079
Mister Meadow's drawn.

1212
01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:58.720
Smith you been Do you remember being interviewed by Patrice

1213
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:05.159
McDavid and Robert Cruselle Purselle that worked with mister Harpoolian

1214
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:13.279
and mister Griffin's in October on October twentieth of twenty

1215
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:13.960
twenty two.

1216
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:15.319
Yes, okay.

1217
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:20.760
And I believe mister Gris Griffin had asked you about

1218
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:24.760
some shoes in response to our questions. Do you remember

1219
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:27.279
telling them that he had, uh these investigators he had

1220
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:40.520
on some cloth like shoes. Yes, And I believe mister

1221
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:43.439
Griffin asked you about the length of time you were there.

1222
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:47.800
Do you remember these investigators asking you about the length

1223
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:50.560
of time that mister Murdall was at our meet of

1224
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:51.880
the night of June seventh.

1225
01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:58.000
Yes, sir, it's he's offering a prior consistent statement and

1226
01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:02.079
no one's in. I don't know why got the peaching

1227
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:06.239
her with it. You can't bolster her testimony with prior

1228
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:07.079
consistent statement.

1229
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:12.760
Mister metters Leafy had questioned the thirty or forty minutes

1230
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.479
and was questioning whether or not Alex asked her to

1231
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:19.399
say that. Through their investigators, it's clarified for me their

1232
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:23.840
conversations that directly contradict what she said early on, direct

1233
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:27.119
that I have through their questioning and interviews, which I

1234
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:28.079
just got a little while ago.

1235
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:32.600
That was griffining.

1236
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:38.680
Again, she's offering a prior consistent statement and it's not

1237
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.399
admissible unless it's being offered to rebut a claim of

1238
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:44.920
recent fabrication. And that's not the situation we have here.

1239
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.119
The entire statement right now.

1240
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:52.920
In terms into the statement being entered that evidence.

1241
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:55.880
Yes, John, there's not a statement. There's a whole thirty

1242
01:10:56.039 --> 01:11:00.239
minute audio reporting. Yes, right.

1243
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:06.199
Rule sixty six thirteen the addresses this issue, and you

1244
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.119
may perceive the objections over rules.

1245
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:14.600
Mister Griffin asked you the length of time that mister

1246
01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:18.479
Murdall was there when these investigators questioned you in October

1247
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:21.520
of twenty twenty two. Do you remember them asking you

1248
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:23.359
about how long he was in the kitchen and in

1249
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:35.359
the room with miss Murdall? Yes? And do you remember

1250
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:39.680
them asking you about and he asked you on Cross

1251
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:44.520
whether it was unusual mister, whether mister Murdall had visited

1252
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:53.079
that time of night. Do you remember that? Yes? And

1253
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:56.520
do you remember telling the investigators that he would not

1254
01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:59.239
come on your shift after eighty four? Do you remember

1255
01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:13.159
that yeah? Yes, and that that was unusual? Yes? And

1256
01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:15.439
do you remember one of them questioned you you actually

1257
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:18.439
rechered it in your mind, that's something that this is

1258
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:20.399
unusual for him to be here that time of night.

1259
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:24.000
Do you remember that? Yes? Was your answer? Yeah, because

1260
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:26.159
I was like, yeah, To be honest, I was like, oh,

1261
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:28.199
why why are you here this time of night? Why

1262
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:30.159
are you here this time of night? You know, cause

1263
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:37.119
we all going to bed? This is my mind, lovely red. Yes.

1264
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.239
And as far as the length of time, do you

1265
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:28.960
remember them asking you how long? And you said it

1266
01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:45.079
was about twenty minutes? Yes? Oh god, I'm trying to

1267
01:13:45.079 --> 01:14:12.880
speed this up at for some don'ts. Do you remember,

1268
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:19.159
mister when mister Griffin asked you about your recollection as

1269
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:23.079
to what mister Myrda said you will asked you about

1270
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:24.920
the thirty to forty minute pier. Do you remember that,

1271
01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:28.079
remember just a little while ago when he was asking

1272
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:29.800
you about that. I'm not trying to be just a

1273
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:35.880
little while ago. Yes, Okay, About whether if anybody ever

1274
01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:37.079
asked you if I was here or not?

1275
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:39.039
Yes?

1276
01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:50.520
And do you remember that they as investigators asked you

1277
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.479
if Slid had put that in your mind?

1278
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:53.640
No?

1279
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:04.159
Is that the recollection or something they put us along?

1280
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:10.119
Yes, sir, he's leading the witness he's publishing a document

1281
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:13.800
that is not a certified transcript of anything.

1282
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:19.479
Object m mister. Is their statement they took.

1283
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:22.600
I sustained the objection.

1284
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:28.560
Did Alex Murthaw ask you to tell somebody how long

1285
01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:29.159
he'd been there?

1286
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:33.239
He says, someone aks you, I've been thirty to forty minutes.

1287
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:35.039
That's what he said, he said.

1288
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:38.239
If somebody asked you, yes, just.

1289
01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:43.359
Repeating her answer, what's the letters?

1290
01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:46.439
Is that the answer you gave his investigators?

1291
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:46.880
Yes?

1292
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.000
Back in October of twenty twenty, yes.

1293
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:08.279
M.

1294
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:37.880
Now, mister Griffin asked you about this blue tarp? Did

1295
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:42.000
Here's or the Harpetins investigators asked you about that when

1296
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:46.520
they met with you? Yes? Did they bring something with them?

1297
01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:55.319
Do you remember them showing you something now a picture? Okay?

1298
01:16:55.880 --> 01:17:01.239
Did they also show you a tarp? Yes? Okay. Did

1299
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.720
they tell you they just got it from Kmart? Yes,

1300
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:12.520
just bought it from Kmart? Can I kick you? So there?

1301
01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:16.159
Their investigators brought this with you to the interview, Yes,

1302
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:19.760
and showed you this correct?

1303
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:21.680
Yes, And had you.

1304
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:28.000
Already described a well, where'd she first? Who'd she first

1305
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:30.720
tell that there was something that the defendant may have

1306
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:33.479
been holding his hand who'd you tell first when he

1307
01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.159
when he came in that morning after the funeral? Who

1308
01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:38.600
did you tell that first to? In law enforcement? The

1309
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:41.159
defendant may have been holding something or was holding something

1310
01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:41.840
when he came.

1311
01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.560
On Dango office of Dango Dango.

1312
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:48.079
Okay, And as a result of that, slave that slid

1313
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:51.479
came and interviewed you. Yes, and then you then told

1314
01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:54.439
them what your testimony has been. Yes. Correct. So in

1315
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:57.680
October twenty second when their investigators came, they were asking

1316
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:01.800
you about what you talking about to the dango right, yes,

1317
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:06.319
and they showed you this right yes. And did they

1318
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:08.960
also ask you about if you've seen a shirt? Do

1319
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:10.359
you remember when they asked you if you'd seen a

1320
01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:15.800
blue shirt? Yes? But what was a blue shirt? As

1321
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.279
a blue like a I don't I don't know what

1322
01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:20.239
was it a just like a dress shirt or a shirt?

1323
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:22.760
What was it like a like a rain jacket? Is

1324
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:23.880
something like a pull over?

1325
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:24.399
Okay?

1326
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:24.720
Something?

1327
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:26.239
But they described it as a shirt?

1328
01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:30.119
No, not as I can recall.

1329
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:47.239
Do you remember them asking you your positive it wasn't

1330
01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:47.680
a shirt?

1331
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:49.000
Yes?

1332
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:54.560
They asked you that, yes, and your answer was it's vinyl.

1333
01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:55.600
It was a vinyl?

1334
01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:55.840
Right?

1335
01:18:55.920 --> 01:19:00.039
Yes, yes, I don't need the works.

1336
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:20.520
And missed that. Griffin was asking you about the vine

1337
01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:23.439
or whatever. Do you remember them asking you if there

1338
01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:24.359
could have been a gun in it?

1339
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:28.760
His investigators, I can't recall. I can't remember.

1340
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:48.640
Last question.

1341
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:50.079
Can I have been a picture up.

1342
01:19:56.279 --> 01:20:03.319
State's four eleven? Michelle, you've identified this previously? Does that

1343
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:06.680
look like the blue vinyl garment he was carrying in? Yes?

1344
01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:08.279
Say that again?

1345
01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:08.600
Yes?

1346
01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:17.760
Was it all crumbled up in his arms? It was

1347
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:18.279
bold up?

1348
01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:18.479
Yes?

1349
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:19.680
Was that folded out?

1350
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:20.560
No, it wasn't.

1351
01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:21.439
Was he wearing it?

1352
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:22.319
No, he wasn't.

1353
01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:23.479
That's all.

1354
01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:34.760
Thank you, out of defense, Miss Smith.

1355
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:39.520
It's clear when you left the next morning you saw

1356
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:46.800
the blue tart laid out on Mss Libby's retirement rocking chair.

1357
01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:47.239
Correct.

1358
01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:49.720
Yes, And it was not a range like it wasn't, No,

1359
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:50.279
it wasn't.

1360
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:53.600
It was a blue tart like what's in here as

1361
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:55.880
in evidence eighty six.

1362
01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:58.880
Right, yes, no doubt in your mind, no doubt.

1363
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:04.039
Now, sigators, let me ask you mark for identification Exhibit

1364
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:06.560
eighty seven. Did they show you a picture of.

1365
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:10.439
This rain jacket? Yes?

1366
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:14.800
Have you ever and you told them you never seen

1367
01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:15.640
that rain jacket? Right?

1368
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:16.039
Correct?

1369
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:25.640
Have you ever seen this rain jacket before. No, did

1370
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:28.039
Alec Murdoch have that rain jacket with him when he

1371
01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:32.680
came in to the Miss Libby's home on the morning,

1372
01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:37.000
I believe a few days after the funeral. No, okay.

1373
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:50.520
And if this photo to Exhibit forty one, State's Exhibit

1374
01:21:50.640 --> 01:22:02.199
forty one, can you see this blue thing wided up?

1375
01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:03.000
Yes?

1376
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:07.239
If that is in fact the photo of the rain

1377
01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:10.520
jacket that we just looked at, would your testimony be

1378
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:14.279
you've never seen that garment folded up in that closet before?

1379
01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:16.920
No, on fantacy, what was the blue veny that's and

1380
01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:18.279
they know it was the raincoat or not.

1381
01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:19.560
It was balled up.

1382
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:23.640
So you well, well, had you ever been in this

1383
01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:24.359
closet before?

1384
01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:25.199
No, it happened.

1385
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:28.000
So you don't know what that is folded up there?

1386
01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:29.560
Do you correct?

1387
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:38.479
And so if it's if it's this rain jacket, if

1388
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.800
that's what's in that closet, you've never seen Alect Murdoch

1389
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.920
with with what with with this garment before?

1390
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:46.199
Have you?

1391
01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:46.479
No?

1392
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:47.039
It happened.

1393
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:59.079
All right, Now, just very briefly, I know you've been

1394
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:01.000
been really good here. Now that's been a hard day.

1395
01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:06.920
I would appreciate you being here the that that day

1396
01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:10.560
when you came to work, mister Randolph Murdoch had been

1397
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:12.680
put back in the hospital. Isn't that correct?

1398
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:13.000
Yes?

1399
01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:15.960
And that was unusual because he'd just gotten out of

1400
01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.079
the hospital like a day before, right.

1401
01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:20.319
Yes, and so it was.

1402
01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:26.600
Though it wasn't usual for Alan Murdott to come over

1403
01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.520
that night, but this was an unusual day because mister

1404
01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:31.520
Randolph had been put back in the hospital. Would you

1405
01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:32.000
agree with that?

1406
01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:32.439
Yes?

1407
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.439
All right, that's all the questions I have jed.

1408
01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:36.560
Thank you, ma'am.

1409
01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:38.520
You may step down.

1410
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:45.039
How heartbroken was she? I mean actually started crying. And

1411
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:49.960
look the entire testimony looked very uncomfortable on the stand.

1412
01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:55.920
She did not want to have to testify against Murdall.

1413
01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:59.640
It could broke her heart, you could tell, and that

1414
01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:06.560
may her all the more credible to me. So next

1415
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:12.840
week you're gonna hear from a very entertaining, very unique individual,

1416
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.359
and we are gonna find out for the very first

1417
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:20.199
time exactly what happened that night at the Moselle property

1418
01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:25.319
from the leading United States expert who all this guy

1419
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:30.960
does is rebuild crime scenes. He's gonna tell you from

1420
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:34.439
start to finish his opinion of what happened that night

1421
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:40.640
at Mozelle, So get ready for that. Thank you so

1422
01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:44.800
much for listening. Please please rate the podcast if you've

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support you give me each and every week. Tuesday we

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01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:05.079
got part two of the Bad Boys series, war Machine.

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01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:18.960
If you liked part one, part two is really gonna

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01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:21.840
set you on fire. Get ready for that on Tuesday.

1430
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Until next time for exposed scandalous files of the Elite,

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I'm your host, Jim Chapman. Much love,