Murdaugh Episode One | Mallory Beach

0:17 Now a little water murder one for Yourselven Mosaille Roads. I need to. Commission my wife and Tom. Mister Murdy, did you take this gun or any gun like it and blow your son's brains out on June seventh. Or any day or anytime? No? I did not, mister Murdy. Did you shoot a three hundred blackout into her head causing her death? Your wife, Maggie's and she couldn't. I didn't shoot my wife or my son anytime. Mister Murdock.

1:05 Are you a family annihilator? You mean like, did I shoot my wife and my son? Yes? No, I would never hurt Maggie Murder. I would never hurt Paul Murder under any circumstances. And it might not have been you. It might have been the monster you become. Hey, welcome back to Exposed Candalus Files of the Elite. I'm Jim Chapman, and before we get into today's episode, I'm going to give you some quick news on the quarterly gifts that we give our global celebrities through Patreon.

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3:18 From this actual case. If you're a Patreon member and we're going to get into it. In this first episode, we're titling Mallory Beach. So I'm starting with this one because this was the case that pretty much unrivaled the Murdoff family dynasty and set off a chain of events the likes of which I could not believe. I was following this as it was unfolding in front of me. Y'all, this whole thing unfolding in front of me in real time. I've been following this case for years, and it really all started with Mallory Beach.

4:09 Paul, We're in a boat crash on Archer's Street. Connor's messed up bad. We can't find Mallory. Morgan's messed up bad. We can't find Mallary. Oh, you're fucking smiling like your fucking fuddy, my fucking clan. You think you fucking fuddy hokey, what fucking is. Now? At the time of her death in a fatal boating accident in twenty nineteen, Mallory Beach was just nineteen years old. She had graduated from Wade Hampton High School and worked at a clothing boutique in Beaufort, South Carolina.

4:57 Her family said she had dreams of about becoming an interior designer and even a lot of friends said that she also had her eye on real estate and Mallory Beach was popular. Everybody loved her. According to her aunt, she had many friends, had a boyfriend by the name of Anthony Cook. Y'all, she was absolutely just a beautiful young lady, gorgeous young lady, had her whole life ahead of her, very popular. On February twenty third of twenty nineteen, Mallory and Anthony Cook, who was her boyfriend, they planned to spend the night at a house party in an oyster roast on Pukey Island with their friends and that included Anthony's cousin by the name of Connor Cook and Connor's girlfriend Miley Altman. Now. They decided to meet first at what was known as Myrdall Island to them. It was basically a river property owned by the family of their friend murdaal Now. Since Paul and his then girlfriend Morgan Doherty were also going to the party the friends, they agreed that they would take Paul's family both there.

6:12 Now. Since this incident occurred in the years following, a lot of people say that Paul knew that there would be cops all over the roads, and he was wanting to avoid that by going by boat to this party rather than getting on the road and driving, because he knew they'd be drinking. So let me tell you real quick about Paul and his girlfriend Morgan. Now, they had a pretty toxic relationship, to say the least. Paul was already at the age of nineteen, according to his friends, a full blown alcoholic, and he liked to hit Morgan, which, according to Morgan, his family knew about not exactly what you would call an upstanding member of society even at that age on the inside. Now, on the outside, you know, his dad was and family were multi millionaires and very powerful.

7:12 But on the inside, he was really a spoiled little bitch in my opinion. And this was a beautiful young lady, y'all. And look, Paul was not exactly Tom Cruise. I mean, he looked like carrat top to be honest. And I say this because the fact that he was abusing this girl and treating her like shit, yet he had outkicked his coverage by a mile, you would think that he would have treated her like a princess. But again, he's a spoiled little bitch who felt like he was more of a man when he hit a woman. So on February twenty third of twenty nineteen, Paul, Connor, Anthony, Morgan, and Miley were all underage and they were drinking alcohol and that was never disputed. There's video, there's photo evidence of this throughout that night. Now, earlier that day, surveillance cameras captured Paul Murdall purchasing alcohol at a local convenience store and he used the idea of his older brother Buster to purchase that alcohol. Then, around six thirty pm, Anthony Mallory, Paul and his girlfriend Morgan, and another couple Connor and Miley. They get together at Murdall's family's riverhouse Myrtall Island right. The group then left by boat around

8:45 seven PM and they arrived at a house party where they spent several hours. Then around midnight, they leave that party. When they get back to the boat, Paul insists on driving to a bar in downtown Buford. Now GPS records showed that the group tied that boat up to the dock at that bar at twelve forty five am. Paul and Connor they go to the waterfront bar and they order two rounds of shots. Connor uses a fake id again and Paul uses his brother busters id. The rest of the group they remained outside waiting for them to return.

9:27 So just after one am, Paul and Connor they rejoined their friends and they head back to where the boat was docked. Now by this point, according to both witnesses at the bar and other passengers of the boat, Paul was intoxicated and he was acting crazy. So they take off in the boat, and Paul, as drunk idiots do, he starts driving in circles. He's acting drunk, and he's actually getting pissed at his friends because they're all wanting to drive the boat, saying, dude, you've had way too much to drink. Why don't you let someone else drive. He refuses to do that, and he gets so pissed off, in fact, that when his own girlfriend spoke up and asked him to let someone else drive the boat, he spits on her, calls her a fucking wore, and then he hauls off and he smacks the piss out of her right in the face. Now Here is where I've got somewhat of an issue with the other guys on the boat. Let me tell you if I'm on a boat and anyone hauls off and smacks a female in the face after they've already called him a fucking hor and spit on them. They're going for a swim right there, and I'm leaving them there. But they continued on down

10:57 the water and they're weaving, and Paul would leave the wheel. He got back to the wheel. You know, they're all arguing back and forth. You don't need to be driving. He gets pissed off and he basically just slams the accelerator in that thing, right and at about two twenty am, the boat crashes into what's known as Archers Creek Bridge. Mallory was ejected from that boat and into the dark water.

11:40 So Connor calls nine one one and he begs for help. And here's what the actual nine one one call sounded like, and the confusion afterward by officers who were frantically attempting to locate the crash boat in the dark of night. Please fire, we're in a boat crash Market Street.

12:20 Where where about in Arch Street? In Arch Street? The only bridge on Art Street. Archer Street, Archers Creek, Archer's Creek, Archer's creek and do okay, what's one of them? This bob? Pair ofsolis? Right, what's going on? We're in a boat craw? You know what what kind of boat? A boat? Crab? A boat? Did you have a boat crash? A boat crash? Okay, so you're at at the dock?

13:04 Hello? Are you? Are you at the dock? So we crash? Are you in the water? Are you where in the boat. You have on this? Okay? Okay? Fall in reference to the disabled, I'm sorry. A boat crash. There's six people on board. They currently have one missing. All right. It's in Archer's Creek, which is right there off of Paras Island. There's a bridge on Paras Island there underneath it. It crashed into the bridge of twenty nine as much. Finally there four I'll be in rounds with the Bell Bridge.

13:46 You also know fire Port Royal and Hums as well. Affirmative, we're making notification. Okay, do you have a deiston at for? It's one female. That's all the description I have of her. Right now? You have missed one? Respond to it and accident with injuries. Fifty Marine is dry boulevard from Paras Island, repeating it's going. To be a change in that location. They're on Malacon Drive down right before you get to the traffic circle. I'll be County's on scene. Port rolls on scenes that evidently the girl was sitting on her workings lap when they.

14:28 Hit the bridge at a high rate of speed and now. She's missing bridge. Did they hit the warner that on the callsway? Stand by, sir, they hit the the actual parents on the bridge, right, We don't know. They're not. They just keep telling us they hit the bridge. Three ten got on scene. He said, the fog is pretty thick. At first he cut these in design who they were pining that over. So, as you heard, it was very foggy, it's dark. But of course police do eventually find the boat. Every passenger but Mallory is located, and so police start doing what police do. They get EMTs out there and they start trying to figure out what the fuck happened. So I'm gonna play you the actual bodycam audio from this incident, and then we're gonna unpack it a little bit, because this is where to me, what I will refer to as the Murdaal privilege really plays out. Listen to this.

15:36 There underneath the bridge. Still in the vote. The most severe of the injured is on the boat underneath the bridge and off the walk out to the most severe injury. Y'all hit the bridge that y'all beach the boat up there on the size of the thing, that's where it ended up. Okay, you'll think you'll hit one of the mark christ in the beginning of it. Sure, can I use okay, all right? Can I use? Hey? Bo I ain't got fund on me? Brother, you don't got your phone on? You know, you drop youers in the grass right back there now? Okay, how you been checked out? My name?

16:17 Anybody you got checked out my name? Yeah? I'm fine. Sure we still get to chick down right? Yeah? My I mean ship busky. What's your last name? Buddy? Let all the r D A. U G H. That's something. Which person name? Paul? Paul? Yeah you go. Ship? Yeah, that's time. Hey, we're looking right now for they're down there looking okay. But they got a good charge on it, right, yeah, yeah, they probably they didn't. Funny, Okay, don't shit. They're down there looking right now. Okay, you know they got it. That's a good search, right, yeah, yeah, they got a good team down there looking for Okay, can I use show I don't have my phone on me, but oh here, hey, just here, stay right here.

17:08 I'm gonna go get that one you dropped on the ground back there. All right, you got it already. So there were six patta people with the tottle back. Uh. They hit I think one of the bridge pile and where you see the boat before it ended up? Okay, one but young other young ladies got ejected. She still has not been sound tides going out, and we tried walking down. The marsh for a little way to find her. But the young lady down there, I think the most of the beer are of the people that we have, the five that we have. So we got five autal five pounds book. Yes okay, sorry, kind of going out. And they were running this way when they hit the bridge, so she probably got ejected in the current carrier carried her down that way.

17:52 I did find a county out of handing the deal out of handy. County for that. I'm about to drop down there. I'm not unfit in the back of. Get in the car. Come on, I need you, yes, come on, you're. Not going You're not in trouble. I have told you that you're in trouble to putting. Your flying out come on is the flying ballance? What you're not? Just sit right here. I'm not closing the door. I'm gonna get you a cigarette. Sit right there, ship right here.

18:35 You got everybody coming out here. I'm you're you're my concerned Okay, you're not listen listen, Pete. I'm here for you, all right. I mean you up, we're chilling. I understand you upset. I ain't about to sit here and tell you to calm down. Okay, but I'm gonna get you a cigarette. Fire everything to bring there up. Their mom. Come listen, man, my mom, listen, that's you. You're not in trouble. Didn't you want out that I need?

19:15 I need to call her go you can go down there? Is that DeLong on the boat? Oh what Elena? No, huh no, that's Lena Delon from the reasoning. That's not her. That is her friends down there just bleating like Gilda. What's your what's your mom's number? Mom? Y'all need to come to me for a quick We damn we hit a bridge in the boat. Corners fucked up Conner's messed up bad. We can't find Mallory.

20:03 Morgan's messed up bad. We can't find. Mallory bo Where we at with Paris Island Paris. Island bridge, So it's just tell you come to interest in parasont you're going to Paris out and interest to Paris out, interest in Paris. Yeah, yeah, a right, I don't know, mom. There's fifty cops out here. Everybody's ship up.

20:45 I said, there's fifty. Cops out here, and one of the cops is nice enough to let me call you, mom. There's fifty cops here, coast Guard everything. We can't find Allery. He spent thirty minutes. You probably need to call miss you here. Mister Field, how fourteen out and have.

21:25 One injured on the boat all the way down there. I don't know all that, but hello, hey, it's last hoodoop. You can't share something that you don't get me. Yeah, all right, right, your son's down rub or anything right now? Like I said, he's very that's right. Don't the shot right now. Let's probably been eventually coming down this way. Uh, you don't have a problem with that. You're probably on the ride, right, And he told me you're in law enforcement. Is that. Okay? Yes man, we'll here, like. I said, and I'll let you come see your son too. To get here, I got them pretty much as calm as I can get them.

22:08 You know, I really understand. So me and him work. I'll be hanging out within the dark town. Okay. Just just google Paras Island. Yeah, just just google Paras Island, the main interest gate. Just grow around the main roads when we in, when we out do we're not missus, just a super boyd Paars Island. Yeah, the Marine Corps basement if it's coming from there. Work from coming through the little first gate. We're on the main road doing that. You get that motherfucker right. They're away from me. Yes man, we'll be here. You're talking about that one? No shirt off? Hey, they're not.

22:57 I don't want you to get into trouble. You everything, listen, don't get no trouble. You know what I said? All right, the mom's going away. I told him my head, let's talk, fucking let's let me try and stick out him. I'm thinking you to Moca. Took that motherfucking a ross the fucking drip, not. Here last bringing out your trouble what you want. You ain't gonna get no fucking trunk. Oh yes, because you're fucking smiling like your fucking funny, sitting down, my fucking girl thing. Go mom, you think you're fucking funny, Sit down, Sit down, hokeys lock fucking down, sit down, sit down.

23:41 If something right into the bark going with the tower. With your cigarette, you ain't knowing, man, I ain't got a lot now the wings come here, but yeah, foke a cigarette and I got you used used to going away. Don't even look down in the all right, you know. About a month ago, a year ago, and then her guy in the right you got it in vedam.

24:23 Yeah, yeah, I know she was dead, dude. She did. Said how does she lived? Dude, I'll be twenty one and three days? Man, man, what about the driver the boats? He twenty one? Everybody on the boatsmen drinking? Yeah, especially the driver. How big to drive? That driver? How much as he had to drink the mood? I can tell you this much. We left. I don't even know where the fuck we were.

25:05 We left and stopped fucking downtown Beauford, and I me and him about fought on the fucking dark. Because I told him I can go up bit at the fucking bar. That we need to be going home downtown, and how are y'all drinking down there? And now y'all hell, I wasn't. I stayed on the damn boat. But he when he was drinking actually at the bar, I reckon. I didn't go up there, So. Y'all came from downtown through the creek, and that's when he was gonna wait too fast. So I don't even know. I finally got to the point. I grabbed my girlfriend and put her on my lap in the bottom. Of the boat and was holding on when my eyes closed. The next thing I know, I'm in the fucking water and to keep fine. Man, can you feel that eating that? Dude?

25:52 I'm not, uh, Or if you are, you just searing adrenalin is up. You can't feel it, so you're. Hit you any three quarters? Well it's a week, guitar, don't start. But it's a ship happening now. Is anybody in the water look up for Yes. We got tomorrow, We got d n R. Fire departments, got their boats in the water. Coach guard is on the way with the chopper, be in Northern routand all. Right, she's there at the bottom of the rock.

26:34 Look, they're gonna have a dog team. You got dog team. We got a bunch of resources. Regardless, like I told you, regardless of the outcome, we will find you, all right, But you just gotta keep faith that she is somewhere on the fame for you. See what I'm saying. Sixty day. Yeah, what's y'all put in at? She's Jessea holling chest out called watching the only hotling on she Chessea.

27:18 You all know Alec Murdo. Yeah, I know her name. That's his son. That's show dropping him. No good love matter matter, you know, thank you. The driver is the one with no clothes on. Craig. To be honest with you, you were getting mad at back there he had he was in his drawers, the. Last one dripping whenever I got down in the Florida post box.

28:00 Yes, sir, you don't know. I hurt you missing gets dream that gonna go to the yar. Easy. I got this. Let me know if you need a noo cigarette. That boat it is my dude went to Boston Mount five. He's got still got clothes on. Bret. Yeah, all right, that's what. Yeah, they're good everybody's good physical wise first, because okay, but I just wondered, we need to know exactly what's driving. And that's you said was the last one you saw. So that's why I told them, because it assually responsible. Okay, yam me, don't worry about that. We're gonna handle on that then, Okay, all right, so.

28:45 For sure, yes, a hey, I'm with apartment at your resources. Who's driving the boat? Right, y'all? Pick up the last time my grand my friend got out down in the bottom of. The boat. Driving. Yes, I begged and begged and begged and begged. And let me uh huh And where were all coming from? Hake huh haulkey. Pulky okay, And Paul was driving, not Connor. If Connor was driving. Happened in the n R. We we were both sitting on the front seat. You're you were laying that you were laying in the front of the bottom.

29:40 Of the back of the bottom of the boat before you hit. Yes, okay, And Paul and Connor were sitting on the right behind the console. Yes. Fault with both of them for thirty minutes about letting me drive, and both of them thought it was fucking funny. Yeah, okay, all. Right, well we don't do everything we can find it, Okay. Appreciate it. So you hear a couple of things in that audio that are very important, and look, y'all, this is immediately following an accident, right, the facts are gonna be remembered most right after the incident occurs. That's when you're gonna have your best ability to recall what happened. So you hear Mallory Beach's boyfriend saying, Bro, you're fucking smiling like it's fucking funny. My fucking girlfriend's gone bow. Do you think it's funny? I hope you right in fucking hell. Now, you're only going to be saying that to the person that's actually driving the boat, right, because that's the person you're obviously blaming for the reck. You also heard the officer asked Mallory's boyfriend how much the driver had to drink, and he went into a spill, said, you know, I told him not to go up to that bar, that

31:12 we needed to go home. He went anyway. Then the officer asked, were y'all drinking down there? And he says, hell, I wasn't. I stayed on the damn boat, but he was drinking at the bar or reckon and then the nail and the coffin should have took place. When the officer asked several times if Paul was driving to Mallory's boyfriend, and he says, yes, man, I begged and begged and begged him let me drive. He even clarified it and he said, okay, Paul was driving, not Connor. And Mallory's boyfriend said, if Connor was driving, it happened after I'd unflipped and laid down in the front of the boat, which means y'all that there's no way Connor was driving. Now, that's enough right there to it at least give somebody a sobriety test, right, But it gets better. I have the incident report from an officer, but I'm not gonna read everything for you. What's really shocking is that the report, it's not what it said, but what it didn't say.

32:21 Nothing in that report of field sobriety test being administered or breathalyzer test being administered. It's basically a blame report that says, you know, a girl was missing and there was a boting accident. Now, during all this going on, Paul Murdall calls his granddad, Randolph Murdall the third. Now, notice he didn't call his dad Alex Murdall. First chose the difference in respect that Paul had for his grandfather versus his father, and I will tell you my thoughts as to why later on in this series, but it's important.

33:02 So one thing I have not mentioned was that during all this interaction with the police, Paul kept saying that Cotton Top, the nickname for Connor, was driving, which is why the officer in the bodycam footage I played for you kept asking for clarification from other passengers in the boat as to who was driving. Now, the passengers were all transported to the hospital, except for Mallory's boyfriend, Anthony, who said he wanted to stay behind, saying he was not going to leave without Mallory and he actually spent days y'all, not sleeping, no eating, just searching for her in that water. Connor was treated for a broken jaw in Morgan's hand was badly injured. Now, according to hospital staff, Paul was uncooperative. Medical staff drew Paul's blood several hours after the crash, and his blood alcohol content was point to which was three times over the legal limit. And y'all, this is several hours after the crash. He's still at point two four. So I'm not gonna go through all the depositions. They all pretty much say the same thing, just in a different way. But I'm gonna cover one for you, and that is gonna be Connor Cook's deposition.

34:26 And I have a guest with me today and that is Daniel Sparkplug Domain, who is a local voice actor and professional voice guy here in the area. He does everything from called drag races to all kinds of interesting stuff. This guy loves him some fast cars, right Daniel. Oh, absolutely, growing up street racing, drag racing a little bit. Yeah, maybe blew up a motor or two or two, that's right, maybe a few. So he's gonna help me out with this deposition. He's going to be playing the role of the attorney. I'm going to be playing the role of Connor Cook.

35:11 Did anyone ever tell Paul to stop the boat and take them to the dock to get off? Yes, sir, who did? Anthony and Mallory? What did Paul say that it will be all right, we're fixing and make it home all right. Did you know how long it took to get from downtown to Archer's Creek? I don't know exactly. I say we left probably one thirty one twenty five, so maybe two o'clock to Archer's Creek maybe a little laughter. Do you know about how long? It only takes ten minutes, fifteen minutes. It's not that far, but with us arguing and stuff, it took us a little while. Did anyone ever put on a life jacket? No, sir.

35:52 Did anyone say where are the life jackets? No, sir. That was never a consideration, no, sir. During this time that you all were driving from the day dock or from the new Bridge towards Archer's Creek, were you still holding the light? Yes, sir, But when I was holding the light, it wasn't like a constant shining of the light. It was every now and then shine the light. Had you ever been with Paul before in the boat at night, No, sir. There's some indication that Paul started removing his clothes. Did he do that? Yes, sir, all right, Why would he do that? I have no idea how much clothing did he remove?

36:33 I believe his shirt. Has he been known to do that before, not that I know of, no, sir, not when he is intoxicated. No, sir, I've never seen him strip all his clothes off. It was pretty cool that night, wasn't it. Yes, sir, it was. It was cold. He took his shirt off at what point in the time. I don't remember exactly what time it was. Was it after the argument? I believe? So? I'm not sure, though. Did you ever offer to drive? No, sir, did Anthony ever offer to drive? Yes, sir. Is Anthony as familiar with the boat as you are? No, sir, why did you not drive the boat?

37:13 Well, Paul's always been the one that wanted to drive the boat and would not let anyone else drive the boat. He told us it was his boat, and no one could operate his boat like him. And no one is driving his effing boat. Those were the words he used. Yes, sir, Do you remember getting into Archer's Creek? Not exactly, No, sir. Do you remember coming by Port Royal? You mean out in the sound, not what Port Royal sound? The sands? Do you remember coming by the sands? Yes, sir, and you all would have turned and taken a left to go into Archer's Creek, Yes, sir. Who was driving when you all came by the sands? Paul was? How fast was he going? I don't remember. Was he planned off?

37:57 Yes, sir? And you were standing where on the right side of the console were you holding onto the console to the little the grab bar right? Yes, sir, okay? And Paul was behind the wheel at that point in time, Yes, sir. What's after you pass the sands? Do you remember getting into Archer's Creek? Now, no, sir, My memory is bad after going into the creek. And do you remember you don't know who was driving the boat? Then? Yeah? Paul was you said your memory was bad? Do you remember who was driving the boat? Yes, sir, okay? Who was Paul? Did you ever say you didn't remember who was driving the boat?

38:40 Yes, sir. Well when did you say that a bunch of times to the officers, Yes, sir during their investigation? Yes, sir, all right, when did you decide that you remembered that Paul was driving the boat? I knew the whole time that Paul was driving. Why were you not upfront with the officers. Well? I was told one by Alex Mardall that I didn't need to tell anyone who was driving? And when were you told that? At the hospital. Did you speak to mister Murdall, Yes, sir. Where were you when you spoke with him in the hallway at the hospital. Let's go back right before the impact. Where were the people located on the boat just before the impact?

39:21 Same place I told you? Okay, before so Morgan would have been front left, yes, sir, Miley front right, directly in front of you. Yes, sir. They were sitting on the bow. No, sir, I think they were sitting on the live well in front of the console. Okay. Have you ever talked with Miley about who was driving the boat? No, sir, not since this accident. Nope. All right. And at that point in time, just prior to the impact, Anthony and Mallory were behind you, yes, sir, okay, just before the impact. Did anything happen with the boat? What do you mean? Did the boat take off. When the argument got done? Paul put it in the wind, he planed it off. Yeah. He was pissed and everybody was ready to go home, so he hauled ass.

40:11 Do you remember you said you were having trouble with your memory. Do you remember what happened when the boat hit the bridge the pilings. I remember waking up in the bottom of the boat. My girlfriend woke me up and asking me if I was all right. Paul and Anthony in the water, and Morgan screaming her hand was bleeding. Did anyone indicate how long you were unconscious? No, sir. After Mallory got you up, did you have any conversations with her about what happened? You mean, Miley, Miley, I'm sorry. We just she was making sure I was coming too, and everybody was all right, and tried to calm everybody, and everybody was freaking out trying to find Mallory. You.

40:51 I understand you broke your jaw, Is that right, yes, sir, And I'm sorry on the left side, yes, sir. Is that scar what remains? Yes, sir? Were you able to talk? Very? It was hard, but I could talk, yes, sir. Okay, Now I understand you called nine one one? Is that right? Yes, sir. Do you know how long after the impact that you called nine one one? It was five minutes, maybe it wasn't along. Do you know whose phone you used a call? I used my phone? Your phone was working? Yes, sir? At that time. Where were you when you made the call? Were you down in the boat? I started down on the boat, yes, sir, but Morgan was screaming so loud. I had to walk to the top of the hill to hear the lady so she could hear me over Morgan screaming right there on the bridge, Yes, sir, away from Morgan. Was there some problems getting nine one one two the location? Yes, sir.

41:43 What problems were you aware of? She kept asking me where where I was, and I kept telling her over and over and she said she would say different places and I'd say, no, Archer's Creek, the bridge, and it was just chaos the whole conversation. Going back to before the impact, Was it Paul that pushed the throttle down, Yes, sir. You didn't push the throttle down, No, sir. Do you remember who pushed the throttle down? Yes, sir. After the impact, did you go to the hospital, Yes, sir. How did you get there ambulance? And while you were there before the ambulance arrived, did the police arrive? Yes, sir. Did you have a conversation with the police.

42:23 I pretty much just told them that it was six of us and one was still missing all right. Did they ever tell you that they were videotaping you, No, sir. Did they ever put you in front of their car and talk to you, No, sir. Did they ever indicate that they had a body cam on you when they were having a conversation with you, No, sir. When they talked to you, did you indicate who was driving the boat? No, sir. Did they ask you who was driving. The boat, No, sir, not that I remember. Did they ask you about doing any field sobriety test, No, sir. Did they later ask you about sobriety tests? No, sir. Everybody was just trying to find Mallory at this time. Do you remember what time the boat impacted the bridge, No.

43:05 Sir, not the exact time. Two thirty something, wasn't it. I believe it was very close to there, as I understand it. Yes. Do you know what time you got to the hospital, No, sir. And you went by ambulance, is that correct, Yes, sir. Did you indicate to anybody how the accident happened on the way to the hospital, No, sir. The EMS personnel did they ask you what happened? No, sir. They didn't acts for a history. No. Sir. They just wanted to know where I was hurting and stuff like that. When you got to the hospital, did you walk in, yes, sir, and Miley walked in with you, Yes, sir, and I understand Miley initially did not seek any treatment. Is that correct? Right, You, on the other hand, had your jaw. They admitted you to the emergency room. Correct, yes, sir, and I understand over the course of the time, they ultimately sent you to MUSC Yes, sir. While you were at the hospital, you got checked in, correct, Yes, sir. Did they take a hiss from you about what happened?

44:04 They just asked about what happened, and I told them we got in a boat crash and. That was it. Do you know how long you were at you Ford Memorial Hospital? No, sir. They put you in a room in the emergency room, correct, yes, sir. All right while you were there, who came in and talked to you? Molly was in there with me. A whole bunch of people came in there. The nurse came in there, My parents were in there, Milly's parents came in there, Alex came in there, Paul came in there. It was a bunch of people in there. Paul came into your room, yes, sir, Paul Murda, Yes, sir, he got out of his bed and came into your room. Yes, sir. Did you have a conversation with him? No, sir, Why did he come into your room?

44:47 Do you know? I guess they were trying to check on me? They were leaving, They were leaving the hospital. Yes, sir, did mister Alex come in before leaving just a check on you? I don't remember that, you said a minute ago. He came in and you said you didn't have to talk to anybody. No, that was in the hallway, all right, when you initially arrived. Yes, sir. When they took me to the X ray machine or whatever you call it, he stopped me. Were you on a gurney or were you walking? What do you mean like on the bed they roll? No, sir, they put me in a wheelchair. So you're in a wheelchair, correct, Yes, sir, you're going to get X race, yes, sir. And mister Alex as you called him, came up to.

45:28 You, yes, sir, stop me in the hallway and told you what that everything was going to be all right. I just needed to keep my mouth shut and tell them I didn't know who was driving and that he got me. What did you understand that to mean? I guess, don't say anything. I've never been in anything like this. And did you then give a statement to law enforcement after that? Yes, sir, and that statement was given about four in the morning. Is that correct? I guess? So this has been baits stamped Parker's number zero zero zero seven zero five. Is that the statement you made? Yes, sir, all right. And in that statement it says we were headed or how about reading it to me?

46:15 We were headed down Archer's Creek headed towards Does that say Broad River? I remember seeing the bridge and that's about it. All right. And the signature on this is signature of officer. Do you know who that is? Austin Pritcher? Do you know who that is? Yes, sir, that's my dad. So he witnessed your signature, right, yes, sir. Is that your handwriting? No, sir? Do you know whose handwriting that is? No, sir? Do you know if it's mister Pritcher's handwriting? I don't know that, No, sir. Did you indicate that you couldn't write a statement and he would write it for you, no, sir, all right? Is that your signature? Yes, sir, and that's your father witnessing it for you.

46:59 Yes, sir. Is that what you intended to tell the officer that night? What do you mean that you didn't remember? Yes, sir, seeing the bridge and that was about it? Yes, sir? Is that what you were doing? Not saying who was driving? Pretty much just not saying anything. But that's not true? Is that correct? You knew more than that, yes, sir, And you just didn't want to give them any more information than that, right? Why not? Because I was told not to mister Cook. You have a lawyer here today, is that correct? Yes, sir. Did you have a lawyer before mister mccaullough, Yes, sir, who is that? My first lawyer was, Oh god, what was his name? Cory Fleming? I think is his name?

47:46 How did you come to retain mister Fleming? Mister Alec murdau. Paul's dad said that he would be the best one for me, said he recommended him. Okay? And after that? Did you have any other lawyers in between? Yes, sir? Who was that Sam Bower? All right? Mister Bower is over on Hilton Head, Yes, sir, Hilton Head and Bluffton. I believe. I believe, yes, sir, no other lawyers other than that. Now you have mister mccallough. Yes, sir. Did you ever hear Miley say while in the hospital that she did not know who was driving the boat? No, sir. Have you ever talked to her about who was driving the boat? No? Sir. Did you ever speak to Michael Brock with the South Carolina Department of Natural Resources DNR?

48:30 I don't know who that is, No, sir, I don't know. Okay, after you were transferred to MUSC, did a DNR agent come to your room? Yes, sir, did he talk to you? He attempted to, but I was laid up in the bed drugged up, so I wasn't much of a conversation. Did he ask you who was driving the boat? I don't remember. If he did, I would have told him I didn't know, because that is what I was told to do. Did you so you would have had told him? I don't know. If he asked you the question who was driving the boat at the time of the collision, your answer was I don't know, right, And if he asked you who drove the boat prior to the collision prior, prior before I would have said, Paul, okay, I'm going to show you a document that's base stamped Parker's zero zero zero seven, zero six and seven oh seven. And this is a conversation that mister I believe LaDue LaDue indicated he had with you. I'm going to ask you to take a look at that and see if you remember having that conversation with him. Do you remember having that conversation with agent.

49:37 Le'doux parts and pieces of it? What parts do you remember? I mean, I remember coming into the room and having a conversation with him, But the questions and answers and stuff, no, sir, I don't exactly recall remember all of them. You remember him asking who was driving the boat? Not exactly, no, sir, But you don't deny. Your response have been I don't know, Yes, sir, that's correct, Yes, sir, you remember if he You remember being asked where you all were coming from and you indicated an oyster roast in Pockey Island, Yes, sir, I'm sure, and that was correct, yes, sir. And you asked where all you were going and you indicated Paul mrdall's house on Chi cheesy, Yes, sir, and that's true, that's where you all were heading.

50:25 Yes, sir. He also asked you, connor, where did the accident happen, and you knew that it happened in Archer's Creek, correct, Yes, sir. He asked what did you hit and you told him the bridge, Yes, sir, And those statements so far had been correct if you were asked those questions, right. And then where was everybody sitting on the boat? Did you see that on the narrative? Yes, sir? And did you put everybody on the boat where they actually were, Yes, sir, and that was true, yes, sir. And then the next question you were asked about who was driving the boat and you responded, I don't no, yes, sir, And the first time you didn't understand what the question was.

51:05 Yes, sir. Was that a truthful answer, No, sir. Did you indicate to them that you all were going slow at the time of the impact, it says I did. Is that true? I don't remember. I don't remember. You don't remember giving that statement, No, sir. You remember saying that the GPS slied? No, sir. Was there a problem with the GPS to your knowledge, to my knowledge, No, sir. Okay. Did he ask how you broke your jaw? Do you remember that? No, sir. Do you know how you broke your jaw? Yes, sir, how the riot holder on the side of the console? Which side the right side? Did you ever put your hand on the throttle? Do you remember being asked that question? No, sir, I don't remember that question. But no, sir, I did not.

51:49 You didn't put your hand on the throttle. No, sir, you didn't try to throttle it back. No, sir, you. Remember telling your mother that you were going slow because of the fog. No, sir, you don't. I remember telling your mother that the GPS lied, No, sir, And to the best of your knowledge, as you sit here, was there any problem with the GPS? To the best of my knowledge, no, sir. Do you remember having a phone conversation with a dn R agent while you were at MUSC, No, sir, you remember telling him you weren't talking to him. You had already given a statement and you weren't talking anymore. No, sir, okay. How long were you at MUSC? I don't exactly remember how long it was.

52:30 Were you you went to surgery that day? Correct? I? Think it was the next day, twenty fifth in I believe so. So you spent at least one night at musc right, yes, sir, and then you were went into surgery on the twenty fifth and released the day of the surgery. I believe so. I'm not positive since the time of the accident, since you were released from the hospital, had you had any conversation with Miley about how the accident happened, No, sir, no conversation whatsoever, No, sir. Had you talked to Anthony about what happened? No, sir, what about Morgan? No sir, what about Paul? No sir, No conversations about what happened on that night, no, sir. All right, And you had no conversation whatsoever with Anthony? Correct?

53:18 Correct? Did you ever tell Anthony that you were not driving? I mean, we all knew I wasn't driving. Did you ever tell him that? Not that I remember. Do you remember telling them that you were concerned about the murdaws, about being in Hampton County. I don't remember telling him that, No, sir. So if Anthony made this statement that Connor told him he was not driving the boat, do you remember not having that conversation. With Anthony of telling him that I was not driving, Yes, sir, No, sir, I don't remember. Did you also tell Anthony you were scared because of the murdas are trying to pin it on him?

53:59 Yes, sir. So you did have a conversation about the incident, Is that correct? No, sir, not necessarily a conversation. What is your concern? You said that night you didn't remember who was driving? Is that right? That's what I told him? And then did you decide that you were not driving when you became concerned that someone was trying to pin this on you? Say again, did you change your story when you found out someone was trying to pin it on you your words? Yes, sir, when you became a suspect, yes, sir, trying to make it my fault. Were you driving the boat?

54:39 No, sir. If we go by the statement you gave on the night of the accident, you don't know who was driving the boat? Then, right, that's what the statement says, Yes, sir, okay, why are you Why were you scared to tell the truth? Well? I was told not to, and being who they are, I was doing what I was told. You were told not to tell the truth. Yes, so you decided not to, Yes, sir, even though this was an investigation into this accident, Yes, sir where there was a girl missing, Yes, sir. And again, what made you scared. Them?

55:19 Being who they are? Do you know of anything else or any incidents that would cause you concern? Yes, sir. What's that? There's a couple of things that had happened in Hampton that I heard about. What's that? Well? One was said that Paul had pushed his housemate down the stairs and she died and nothing ever happened. And another one there was something that Paul was supposedly involved with a guy got found beat up in the middle of the road that they got out of. Do you know who that guy was? I can't remember his name? No, sir. How long ago was that year? Two years? Something like that?

56:00 Sure? Anything else? I mean, just anything they get in they get out of. I've always been told that Have you ever been out with Paul since this incident? No, sir, you don't socialize with him at all. No, sir. Is he still a member of your Facebook or Snapchat group? I don't know. I haven't seen his name popped up, so I don't know. Did you ever tell. I know your cousin did. But did you ever tell any SLED agent that you were concerned about coming forward? I don't believe I ever talked to a SLED agent. What about a DNR agent? No, sir, I don't remember ever talk with a DNR agent other than the statement you gave on the night of the incident.

56:41 No, sir. Do you know if your father ever talked to mister Murdoll Alex Murdall. After, Yes, sir, after not that I'm aware of. What about before he witnessed your statement? Did he talk to mister Murdall? I know he was calling him all the way to the hospital that night. Did Paul ever use your phone the night of the accident, No, sir, it died. Actually when did it die? On the phone with the what do you call it? Dispatch? Nine one one person? Nine one one person? Okay? And at that time did you then have to use someone else's phone to finish the. Call the nine one one call? Yes, sir, No I never called back to nine one one.

57:24 Did you ever use Miley's phone that night? I don't think so. Did Paul ever use your phone at any time after the accident? No, it was dead did Paul ever use Miley's phone after the accident. I'm pretty sure he used the EMT the lady in the ambulance, right, okay, the lady in the ambulance. I used her phone to actually call my parents, and he used the same phone I did, or Miley's. I'm not positive which one he used. Who did he call his granddad? Did you hear that conversation? Parts and pieces? What did he say? Well, he told him that we had been in a boat wreck and whatever, and he went on to say I heard his granddad ask him who was driving, and he told his granddad.

58:10 That I was that you were driving? Yeah, you Connor Cook, well, my nickname cotton Top. Okay, So he was told or you heard Paul say to his grandfather that you were driving the boat? Correct, yes, sir. And after that you gave a statement saying you did not know who was driving the boat. Is that correct? Right? So at the time you gave the statement, sounded like you knew somebody was going to blame you or somebody was going to point a finger at you. Yes, and you still gave that statement, Yes, sir, That's what I was told to do. What else did Paul say to his grandfather that you overheard. I don't remember really anything other than that.

58:53 Were you concerned when he said Cotton Top was driving the boat? Yes, sir. What did you do in response to that? Am Miley looked at each other and was shaking our heads. Did you call or did you call anyone other than your parents with the EMT's phone. No, sir. Did you use anybody else's phone to call anyone between the time of the accident and the time you went to MUSC No. Sir, not that I can remember. Did your father ever tell you not to talk to law enforcement? Not that I remember. Did your father ever come into your hospital room and make some kind of a sign about not talking to anybody. Nic, sir, Not that I can remember. And I believe that mister Murdall, and I believe that mister Murdall told me that he could take care of this. Yes, sir, Is that what he told you?

59:43 Yes, sir. Did he tell you that on more than one occasion? I don't remember that. The only time you remember is when you were in the chair going to X race. Yes, that's the only time I talked to him. Did you ever talk to Paul's grandfather no, sir. Have you ever had any text messages with Paul since the accident? Yes, sir? About the accident? No, sir. He texted me. It was when they were still looking for Mallory and everybody was on the bridge, and he texted me and asked if everything was all right and asked if I was okay? And that was it? Did you respond, yes, sir? What did you tell him? I just said it out, I was fine.

1:00:23 Have you ever text with Morgan since the accident? Yes, sir. What was the content of those texts? Same thing? Everybody was just checking on everybody. Did you ever text about the accident? No, sir. Did you ever text her about the incidents of the accidents? What do you mean incidents? The fact that somebody might be trying to pin it on you? No, sir, mister Cook, do you blame Paul for this accident? What do you mean by that? The fact that the boat hit the pilings in Archers Creek? Do you blame Paul for that? Yes, sir. Do you take any responsibility for being in the boat? No? What you knew? What do you mean by that?

1:01:03 Drinking in a boat? Do I blame myself for that? Do you take any responsibility for that, No, sir. And you deny that you were ever driving the boat that night. Like saying I was not driving the boat, Yes, sir, Yes, sir. You ever tell anybody at the hospital you are not sure who was driving the boat? Yes, sir. Who did you tell that to the D and R guy anybody else? No, sir, not that I remember. Did you ever try to take control of the boat while Paul was driving erradically? No, sir. You bought a twelve pack of Budweiser? Did anybody else drink that? If you know, you can answer. Do you know if you anybody else drank any of your Budweiser's No, sir.

1:01:50 Did you ever give anybody No, sir, And you were intoxicated. Do you know how much you had to drink? You said eight or nine beers? Right, yeah, y, sir around, I don't know exactly how many. And you would agree that you were intoxicated that night legally yes, physically No, what do you mean physically or not? I could physically walk around? Fine. Do you have any videos or any of the instances of that night, No, sir, on your phone, any snapchats. No, sir. There the thing where it goes away. I guess that's Instagram is the same way I didn't. Post on Instagram and Instagram stays.

1:02:31 Okay, any text messages? No, sir, you've known Paul, you said, almost all your life? Right, pretty much? Yes, sir. How long have you known Mallory even longer? And if you've known him all your life, how do you know Hurt even longer? Sorry? No, I understand. Spend more time with Mallory. Put it that way, okay, all right, me and Mallory are better friends, okay, And I think I understood that. I just need you to explain a little bit. So you sort of grew up with Mallory and dated, yes, sir, and she was dating your first cousin correct, you never dated Mallory, No, sir, as I understand. Were you and Mallory in the same class, yes, sir.

1:03:18 Did she graduate from Wadehampton, Yes, sir. She went to Carolina for a period of time. Yes, sir. Do you know how long she was there? No, sir. When this accident happened, she was not in Carolina, is that correct? I don't think so, No, sir. She was working at a store in Beaufort retail therapy, yes, sir. Do you know what her job there was? No, sir. Do you know what she was being paid or anything? No, sir. Did she ever talk to you about what she wanted to do? I mean she always wanted to get into that realty, real estate or whatever. That's what she always said. And do you know what in real estate like redoing houses, selling houses? I guess you would call it flipping. I use the term flipping. Yes, is that your understanding? Yes?

1:04:04 Okay? Was she doing any of that at the time, No, sir, she was just in the store retail therapy, yes, sir. How often would Mallory go out with y'all every weekend? My girlfriend and her were like best friends. Okay, so pretty much if I wasn't hanging out with my girlfriend, I was with Mallory or vice versa. She was always with me. And what were Was she a hunter? Two? Yes, you're a hunter? Yes? Is she a hunter? Yes? Sir? Any other things that y'all would do together? What do you mean, well, you hunt together, y'all? The term is hang out. I'm trying to figure out what do you do when you hang out?

1:04:44 Just hang out? Go bowling, go eat, do whatever would you do that in Hampton or in Beaufort. Beaufort and Bluffing. Was it basically y'all go to Beaufort and Bluffing every weekend for dinner, movie or whatever. We were just always hanging out doing something. Mister Cook, I'm going to ask you a few more questions. I want to go back and talk a little bit about the boat. When y'all were on the boat or got on the boat that night. Was there any other alcohol on the boat? Not that I know of. Do you know if there was any liquor on the boat, not that I know of. Anthony has indicated he had two drinks of Crown Roll. Do you know where the Crown roll came from?

1:05:26 No, sir. Do you know if that was on the boat? No, sir, I never saw it. When you're at the oyster Roast on Pockey Island. Was the boat tied up at Gooding? I believe you said Larry Gooding's dock. Is that correct? Yes, sir. Were one of y'all on the boat the whole time or with the boat? No, sir, not the whole time? No. Did you go back and forth over the course of the evening, Yes, sir, Did any other people go with you, other members of your party, the six at your party. Not that I know of. It could have possibly, yes, sir. So could there have been other people to have access to the boat that you're unaware of?

1:06:08 Yes, sir. Leading up to the time of the accident, you said that the boat went around in circles between the New Bridge and Archer's Creek. Is that what your memory was, yes, sir, somewhere in there all right. And you said that did the boat ever plane off after or did the throttle just go down and the accident happened? What do you mean by that? I'm trying to figure out what speed y'all got up to. There was an argument, right, yes, sir. Then Paul came back to the steering wheel correct, yes, sir, And at that point then he drove there until the point of the impact. Yes, sir. Do you know where y'all were when he got behind the wheel, right.

1:06:48 In the front of the sands. I don't remember if it was that side of the Big Bridge or the Beaufort side, but it is in that big body of water. When we talk about the big bridge by the sands, Okay, the one that leads over to Paris Island. No, that's the little one that goes to Paris Island. Okay. I can't remember where the big one is where it goes, but there's a swing bridge. And there's the next one okay, the sands. That's what I call the new bridge by the Naval hospital, the big one, the big one, yes, so between the new bridge and the big bridge, somewhere in between there, okay.

1:07:29 And as you got into Archer's Creek. Do you remember getting into Archer's Creek? Not really so do you know if the boat was playing off at that point in time? I feel sure it was. You said that you don't. Do you remember the impact? Not really the impact. Only thing I really remember is waking up next to my girlfriend. When you I think you broke your jaw, right, what did you hit your jaw on? The ride holders, on the side of the console, and probably the grab I forget. There is a picture of the empty butt light can that was taken. Do you remember who was drinking butter light? I don't think anybody was. It could have been old.

1:08:11 Were there old beer cans in there? Possibly? I don't really remember. And you said that you think you hit your chin on the rodtholders where they were located. Were they on the console on the side of the console, Yes, sir, I would say port or starboard, but the left or right side, the right side, and that was the side you were standing on, yes, sir. Is that the side you came to on the right side? Yes, sir. Did your parents know? Let me go back after you came to you said, within about five minutes you tried to call nine to one to one correct, correct, and you said you were having a difficult time connecting, so you had to go up on the bridge.

1:08:52 It wasn't a connection problem. I couldn't hear because Morgan was screaming, so I went up there. Okay, So what was Morgan screaming? She was just screaming because she was leasing so much blood in her hand, her fingers, all right. She wasn't screaming about the accident or anything. It was her pain, her pain, Yes, sir. Did your parents know where you were going that night? Yes, sir, And they knew you were going to be there that night, Yes, sir. Do you know if Molly's parents knew that y'all were going to be at the Murdall Riverhouse that night? I believe so. And what about Mallory's parents, do you know? I believe so. So everybody was well aware of where everybody was going should be. Did everybody know there was going to be drinking going on? To your knowledge, to my knowledge, yes, sir, I think that's all the questions I have there, But thank you. So as you heard Randolph, Paul's granddad and Alec Murdall, they shut up at the hospital and Alex's telling everyone who would listen that Cotton Top was driving.

1:09:55 And according to cotton Top, Alec Murdau even approached him saying, don't worry about it, say anything. We got you. Now, this is very influential family, y'all. Power can be very intimidating. Imagine the most powerful people in this town just absolutely taking over the entire situation. So the search is underway for Mallory and get this, y'all. Just to illustrate the power that this family had over law enforcement, Mallory Beach's mother shows up at the boat crash site just a couple of days after the incident. I mean, she's the mother, her daughter's missing. She wanted to see the crash scene for her own eyes. So police stop her as they should, and they say you can't go beyond the crime scene tape, et cetera. But about that time, as I guess luck would have it, ran off Murdall and Maggie Murdall, which is Paul's mother, they show up and they walk right past the tape and not one officer stops them. That speaks volumes to me.

1:11:11 So investigators and volunteers, using rescue boats, divers, helicopters, they spend eight days searching for Mallory beach, and on March third of twenty nineteen, two volunteers find Mallory's body about five miles down the river from the crash scene. A month after the boat crash, Mallory's family files a wrongful death suit against members of the Murdall family, which allows them to depose the survivors. And that's how we got that deposition that we just played out for you. Had they not sued them, they couldn't depose them. If they can't depose them, there's nothing forcing the family at that point to discuss what happened.

1:12:06 I get it. This was as much about getting to the bottom of what happened via deposition as it was getting some monetary compensation. So finally, on April eighteenth of twenty nineteen, on what would have been Mallory's twentieth birthday, Paul Murdall was indicted and charged with three felon accounts of butting under the influence, including causing the death of Mallory Beach and seriously injuring two other passengers. Paul pleaded not guilty to all of the charges and was out on bond awaiting trial. So what the fuck took so long? How does this kid not get charged on day one of this thing? Well connections.

1:13:03 The lead investigator assigned to the case was a guy by the name of Michael Brock, and he was very tight with the Murdalls, as was Michael Thomas. Another investigator assigned to the case, so tight in fact, that he was known as John Marvin Murdall, who is Alex's brother in Paul's uncle. He was known as the best friend of John Marvin's. As a matter of fact, the night of the boat crash and the days that followed, John Marvin made fourteen calls to Michael Thomas, the investigator, according to self ame records that were obtained later on. And get this, law enforcement never called the Beach family to say their daughter was They found out on the news the next day. One of the mothers of the hospital even suggested to the police that someone called the Beach family and asked if someone had and was told by law enforcement they did not want to do it yet, because then the family may show up at the crime scene and complicate things. That is disgusting, shocking, and as

1:14:35 a parent, fuck you to whoever whatever officer said that, you, sir, are an absolute piece of shit. Could you imagine your baby is missing and that asshole doesn't want to call you because he's scared you might show up and up the crime scene. That's crazy. And if you think you heard it all, you ain't heard nothing yet. We're gonna pick up all of this in episode two of this series and for exposed scandalous files of the Elite, I'm your host, Jim Chapman. Much love,