Jan. 30, 2025

"Murdaugh" Episode Nineteen | Buster Speaks Out

"Murdaugh" Episode Nineteen | Buster Speaks Out

In this episode of Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim analyzes the testimony of Buster Murdaugh in his father Alex Murdaugh’s trial. Buster shares insights into his upbringing, the emotional toll of losing his mother and brother, and the...

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Season 1

In this episode of Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim analyzes the testimony of Buster Murdaugh in his father Alex Murdaugh’s trial. Buster shares insights into his upbringing, the emotional toll of losing his mother and brother, and the complexities of family loyalty amid intense scrutiny.

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Timestamps
00:15 Buster Murdaugh Speaks Out
27:48 Family Memories and Memorial Day
34:28 The Night of the Murders
41:07 Aftermath and Moving Forward
47:06 The Investigation and Reward Announcement
55:44 Trial Insights and Family Dynamics

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman, and we

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are back with this nineteenth episode in the Merdall series,

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and we're going to jump right into it. The last

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time that I left you, the crime scene was reconstructed

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by crime scene reconstruction expert doctor Kenneth Kinzie. And as

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I said then, I think his testimony was a big

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key in this case. I think he resonated heavy with

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the jury in a positive way. And we move on

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from that to what I'm bringing you today. So let's

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talk about Buster Merdall, the only reviving family member outside

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of Alick. His brother and mother murdered on that property

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in Mozelle, and his father on trial for his life

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and accused of that murder. I just could not imagine

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how Buster must have felt. A few facts on Buster,

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of course, you know, he was to be the next

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generation of the Murdaal monarchy, if you will. He was

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twenty six years old at the time of his testimony

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twenty four at the time of the murders. His legal

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name Richard Alex Murdall. He was attending law school at

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the University of South Carolina, something of a family tradition.

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That's where they all went to school, and all this

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was taking place just before the murder of his mother

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and brother. Now at this point in the trial, execution

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had rested and it was the defense's turn to call witnesses,

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and he was a witness for the defense, and he

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was witnessing in the defense of his father, and Buster

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was in a tight spot, right, So the defense they

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go first, and everyone's least favorite lawyer and I hate

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the first shade on this guy, Jim Griffin. I'm sure

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he's a fantastic attorney, but he is just not my

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cup of tea. I just don't geehaul with this guy.

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I guess he just seems totally boring to me. He

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gets up and he is going to lead the questioning

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for the defense. I'm only playing a few clips because

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Jim Griffin aggravates me quite frankly.

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But there were some.

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Poignant moments between the questioning between he and Buster. And

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in this first clip, Griffin wants to establish the type

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of father that Alex was, and he wants the jury

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to get a sense of that from his surviving son, right,

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And he frames his questions to Buster so as to

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reflect that who was alex the father? Well, Buster answers

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that question in this first clip.

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A gesture chair and your microphone, and if you'll state

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your full name and spell your last.

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Name, Richard Alexander Murdick Junior, m U R D A

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U G H.

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I go by Buster, mister Murdi, is is your father's

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sitting over here at defensive table?

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Yes, sir?

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Tell the jury a little bit about yourself. Where you're born,

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where you're raised, where'd you go to school?

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Right? Said? My name is Buster, twenty six years old.

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I live in hilton Head Island, South Carolina. I m hmm.

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I was born in Savannah and lived in Beaufort for

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about two years when I was a little child. We

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moved to Hampton in about two thousand and I grew

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up in Hampton, went to Wade Hampton High School, and

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after high school, I went to a small college in

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Spartanburg called Wafford.

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Did Uh was your mother Maggie, Yes, sir, and your

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brother Paul, yes, sir?

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The U.

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When you moved to Hampton? Uh? Do you do you

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remember how old you were when you first moved to Hampton? Uh?

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Three or three? Or four, okay?

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And did you and did you live in Hampton in

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the house with in the city limits, yes, sir, the

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town limits.

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Yes.

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And you did that for with your mom and dad

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and brother for how long?

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For?

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Yeah?

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Run twenty years.

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Right the UH? And you what schools did you go

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to coming up through? Uh in Hampton County? Would would

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go to grade school?

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Went to Ben Hazel Primary School, Hampton Elementary Elementary School,

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North District Middle School, Wade Hampton High School.

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And as you were growing up, what what were your

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interests buster.

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Sports, playing sports, doing things outdoors, hunting, fishing.

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And was your father involved in those interests with you? Yes, sir,

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it was your mother also, yes, sir. And and and

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in what way?

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Well, my father coached every little league team I played

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on up until I started playing for the schools in

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which had a coach.

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And what about Paul? What were his interests growing up?

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Paul's interests were outdoors, mostly hunting, fishing, playing around in

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the woods.

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Did he also play sports at times?

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He did? Yeah, he played basketball and baseball.

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And your dad coached him as well, he did? And

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would your parents attend all of your and Paul's sporting events.

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Since You're every game, and it was a rarity for

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them to miss one, and then if they had to,

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they would call him explain.

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And And at some point in time, did your parents

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buy this property off Moseille Road, Yes, sir, do you

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remember roughly when that.

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Was right around twenty and twelve. I think I would

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have been a sophomore in high school.

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And when that property was first purchased, did you move

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out to Mozille or are you still living in Hampton?

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So we had a house in Hampton and also purchased

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the property of Mozelle which had a house, and for

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the beginning stages of owning Mozelle, Hampton was still working

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as our primary residence. But I believe it was Hurricane

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Matthew or one of the hurricanes came through and blew

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a bunch of pine trees over on the house, so

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it had to get work done to it. And from

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that point we moved out from Hampton to Mozelle while

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the house was getting fixed, and more or less it

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just kind of it never transitioned back to Hampton. It

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just almost like Mozelle became the primary residence.

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And during this time, did your family also have a

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house at Edistone, Yes, sir, How frequently would you stay

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at the house of Edistone?

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Very frequently during the summertime, almost every weekend.

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And when your family essentially relocated to the Mozille property

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and making it primary residence, were you still living at

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home in high school? Or remember how old you were

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at that point in time.

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Yeah, I'm sorry, Joe, you say.

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Were you living at home at that point in time

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that while you were still in high school? Or yeah,

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you remember when when you transitioned to Moseielle and started

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staying there basically full time during the school year.

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So when I was still in high school, we were

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living in the Hampton House and then I'd gone off

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to college, which is when the stuff happened and they

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moved out to Mozielle. So I was living in.

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And when did you go off to college?

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Twenty fourteen?

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Okay, so sometime after around twenty fourteen, family relocated to Moseille.

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For the most part, the alls of the hurricane damage

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is yes, there, tell the jury a little bit about

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the Mosielle property. I know they've heard a fair amount,

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but I think you probably know it better than anybody.

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Yeah, so the Mozelle property is it's roughly seven roughly

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seventeen hundred acres, and a lot of that is really

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not even accessible. It's a lot of swamp lands, a

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lot of stuff that you just you know, know road

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systems or anything like that. But a big portion of

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it is is you know, has road systems and everything.

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And it's a big property. It's broken up into several

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different parcels that border each other. And you know, we

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have twenty some odd deer stands, deve fields, duck ponds

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just all over the property.

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So what type of honey did you and your brother

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and your father do? Mozille everything?

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Deer, duck, quail, dove, hogs, You have a duck pond?

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Do have a duck?

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Have a duck pond?

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Okay? And and the hunting was did you have a

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lot of friends come out and hunt as well?

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Yes, sir?

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Okay. Now, now the jury has seen a uh aerial

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view of the property. And there's a main house, there's

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shed kennels, and then then there's a house sort of

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right on Moselle Road. What's what's what do you call

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that house? That's the cabin the cabin? And and did

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did you live in the cabin with friends over summers

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at some point in time.

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I did the summer of my sophomore year. After my

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sophomore year, me and two of my buddies lived in

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the cabin.

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Okay. And who are those buddies.

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Nolan Towton and Rogan Gibson.

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Okay, and the so we've we can get more of this.

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We've heard about hogs and pigs on the property. To

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tell the jury a little bit about that about the Yes, sir.

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We had a lot of hogs, and if you don't know,

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hogs are very destructive to a piece of property. You know,

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we plant food plots for the deer, plant the fields

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for the doves and the ducks, and they basically go

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through and ruin it all. So given the high population

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of hogs, we you know, would frequently go out and

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hunt them, try to try to cut the numbers down

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a little bit.

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So another thing that Jim Griffin wants to establish is

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the lack of a responsibility that Paul had with guns. Why, well,

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he wants to justify that missing three hundred blackout that

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Maggie was shot with. And in this next clip you're

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gonna hear busters thoughts on that as well as the

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strange multiple shotgun loads in that shotgun. Remember I had

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told you there were bird shot in there were butt

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shot shotgun and shells in the shotgun that night. Here's

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Buster's thoughts on that.

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What kind of guns did you have there at Moselle.

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We had a lot of guns.

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Do you have shotguns?

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We did shotguns?

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You have twelve gage shotgun.

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Twelve gag shotguns, twenty gage shotguns, sixteen gage shotguns, twenty

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eight gage shotguns.

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Right? And how many rifles type rifles did you have

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on the prophet?

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A lot?

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Can you just name some of them?

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Yeah, two seventy two, seventy short mag seven millimetersh eight

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three oh eight, two forty three, two twenty three, three

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hundred blackout.

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And what type of amo did you keep on the property?

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Well, I mean all amos for those for those calibers. Sure.

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And where were the guns kept?

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Primarily in the gun room at the main house at Moselle.

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And was there table in the gun room there was?

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Were there times when guns were left elsewhere on the property?

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Yes?

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Where else on the property would guns be the left?

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Well? Just just myself, I mean I've I've left him

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up at the shed before I've left him on golf cart,

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you use that day left him in a truck. I mean,

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guns would just not always find their way back to

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the gun. Right.

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How about how about Paul? How was he with securing guns?

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Not? Not good?

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What do you mean by that?

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He would Paul left guns probably more on the property

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than anybody else. And just and sometimes if he like,

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sometimes he would use my gun and then he would

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leave it and then I'd have to track it down.

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Right, did Paul carry guns in his truck?

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He didn't.

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Would he keep his truck locked up?

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No? No, not all the time?

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Okay. At some point in time, you and Paul received

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three hundred blackouts for Christmas?

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Yes, sir?

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You remember roughly that twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen sounds right, okay?

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And what color was your three hundred blackout?

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It was black?

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And have you been sitting in this courtroom during the

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entire trial, yes, sir, And the jury's seeing a black

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three hundred blackout? Is that yours? It is?

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That is my three hundred blackout?

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Is that the one you got for Christmas?

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Yes, sir?

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And what color was Paul's?

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Paul's was black and tan and.

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We say black and tan, what part was ten and

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what part was black?

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So I so the receiver would have been ten in

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the I think in Beryl would have been ten.

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What part would have been black.

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Stock? Maybe?

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Okay? And so yours was all black? His was black

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and tan.

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That's right.

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What happened to his that he got for Christmas in

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twenty sixteen.

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His gun was apparently stolen, lost, taken.

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Yeah, dude, how do you know that?

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That's just what Paul told me?

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Did what happened to your gun after Paul's was stolen?

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My gun became you know what we would both.

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Use and would what did that create some confrontation between

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you two at times?

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Yes, sir?

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And what why? Well?

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Kind of like I just touched on so he would

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use it. He's not very good about putting it back

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where he found it. I leave it somewhere, I go

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back and you know, want to get it and it's

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not there.

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Did did did you notice were you aware that Paul

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got a replacement at some point in time?

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Sir?

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Well you heard about that in the courtroom, yes, sir,

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But up to that point you did you ever see

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Paul you the replacement?

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No, sir, I've never seen a replacement, and so.

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Every time in your presence, Paul was using a three

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hundred blackout, which one would it be mine? There's uh,

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I'm not gonna pull these guns out of buster, but

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there's a been just discussion in the jury is seen

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a twelve gage binelle with a mojo uh sticker on it?

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Whose gun is that?

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That's fine?

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And what's mojo?

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Mojo is a brand of decoy. It's basically what it

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is is it's you know, say you buy a wood

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duck mojo and it sits on a pole, but the

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wings are motorized, so it's to replicate, replicate, you know,

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a more alive duck.

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And and did you why why is your but nelle

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have a mojo sticker?

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Because I thought a majo a decoy And in the

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box that came with a sticker, and I put a

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sticker on the gun barrel.

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And so that way you know that's your gun.

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That's right.

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I believe the evidence in the case is that that

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Mojo Bonelli when it was seized was loaded. Did you

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frequently put the gun away loaded?

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Yes, sir?

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Why I you know, knowing that I might need it

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again at any point just you know, put it back

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on the shelf, kept the safety of them.

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Okay, And I think it was loaded with a three

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inch and a three and a half inch turkey load.

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Do you remember that you would load that gun with

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a three inch of three and a half inch, yes, sir,

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And why would you do that?

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I do that because when I go turkey hunting, the

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goal is to, you know, get the turkey close to

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you and shoot at the first tribe. And if I

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were to miss and the turkey goes running away and

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I try to shoot it again, I put a bigger shell,

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larger shell behind the smaller one for that purpose.

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And that's something you commonly did, Yes, sir. Did you

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ever load in a twelve gauge twenty gauge twenty eight

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gauge a buck shot followed by a bird shot?

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No, sir, I've never done that.

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Have you ever known anybody to do that? Ny, sir,

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you know, have any reason to do that?

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No? I can't think of any reason to do that.

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And specifically, have you ever loaded in any gun a

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buck shot followed by dry lock steal waterfowl, waterfowl pellet?

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I have not you know anybody to do that? Ny, sir,

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you know any reason to do that?

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Nicir?

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So what about the opiate addiction that Alex told his

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lawyer's friends he had and used as his primary excuse

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for stealing millions of dollars from his clients. What did

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the family think, when did they know? And what was

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his mother's reaction? Miss Maggie Murdall to that boat right

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case where Paul's rack led to the tragic death of

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Mallory Beach. Well, Buster answered all of those questions in

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this club.

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Excuse me, Buster, Were you aware that your dad had

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a opioid addiction?

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A little bit? I knew a little bit about the

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usage of pills. What did you know about I knew

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that I knew that either my brother and mom had

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found them at some point and then you know, told

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them like, hey, we found these and he I want

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to say, the twenty eighteen around Christmas, he went to

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a detox facility after Christmas, and that was my knowledge

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of it. Thought that that handled it. And then there

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were a couple more times after the fact where they

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would kind of go into this finding pills all that stuff,

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and then he did a few. He did a few

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kind of like at home, just self detoks a couple

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of times, and you know thought, you know, once he

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did that, that, you know, get off of him. But

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that was kind of my general knowledge about it all.

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You thought he had beat.

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It, that's right, yes, sir.

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And when he was confronted with about his pills, what

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was his attitude?

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I don't know for sure because I wasn't there when

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a lot of the confrontations happened with them finding the pills.

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But I mean I've never heard anything just you know,

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apologetic and you know, sorry and would usually be a

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kind of regular, you know, kind of response.

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How did your family handle disputes.

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Disagreements pretty I mean, you know, like adults pretty civilly,

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you know, you know, talked about it and stuff like that.

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I mean, and it just depends on the dispute too,

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Like you know, like I was a kid, you know,

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I get spanked stuff like that once you're not really

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a disagreement, that's.

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Just what you're a teenager and college a's right. Any

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reprimanded disputes you've gotten into with your father, was it

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all civil?

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Yeah? Definitely civil.

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I'm your father show patience with you and your.

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Brother, Yes, sir, he would.

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Was there ever any violence in the family.

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No, sir.

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In February of twenty nineteen, your brother was in a

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boating accident.

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Was that cray, Yes, sir?

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And I believe where were you living at the town Columbia?

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And and was he only charge eventually, yes, sir. And

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what type of reaction was there to his involvement in

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the boating action, his criminal charges in the community.

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And have I would say, a negative reaction in the community.

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The media spike kind of got kind of got going

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after it. There was a lot of a lot of

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articles in the media about you know, our family and

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stuff like that.

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And to your knowledge, was Paul being threatened or bullied

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on social media or anything like that.

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Yeah, he was definitely being bullied or on social media,

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you know, just people sending random messages. And I would

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talk to him. I know a lot of times he'd

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be walking down the sidewalk and you know, a car

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comes by and they would yell some stuff at him.

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I knew he would go out, you know, in a

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bar and you know there's somebody that wants to talk

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about it and you know, make a scuff about it.

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What was your mother's reaction to all the negativity of

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on in the boating accident.

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It you know, it kind of consumed her. She's she's

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big on on reading all of it. And when she

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read the negative stuff, it you know, made her feel

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upset and whatnot. And it it ultimately, it ultimately kind

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of caused her to distance herself from Hampton at this time,

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you know, primarily living at Moselle. She quit going to

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the to the grocery stores in Hampton, quit going to

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the pharmacy, quit going to get food. And Hampton just

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thought that there was a real, you know, kind of

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a bad, kind of a bad vibe in Hampton. Like

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you go, She felt like people were staring at her

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and talking about her and stuff.

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Where would she do her shop?

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She moved over to Waterborough and started going over that way.

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Right. Were were you sued in the boating accident?

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Yes, sir, was your dad suit?

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He was was your other suit?

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She her estate became sued.

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But before she was murdered, had she been sued?

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I don't know, I can't remember.

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Okay, maybe, and you know, do you know if Paul

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had been sued?

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No, I don't know that he had been sued.

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What was your mother anxious about the civil lawsuit, Yes, sir,

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What was her biggest concern her?

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I would say her biggest concern was reading articles after

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you know, Mark Tinsley had made a statement about how

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much money he was wanting to collect in the civil lawsuits,

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and I think it was to the tune of like

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forty million dollars or something like that he was trying

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to trying to get in that that made her anxious?

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And what what was your reaction to statements like that?

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Well, I mean, I knew what he was saying, but

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I mean, it's not to me. It just didn't seem

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you know, I didn't think I don't have forty million dollars,

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so right?

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And was your dad anxious about the lawsuit?

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To your knowledge, didn't appear to be overly anxious about it.

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What took priority the criminal case against Paul or the

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civil case?

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The criminal case? Right?

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So, at some point Paul finds out that his brother

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Paul and his mother Maggie were killed.

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Who told him? What was his reaction?

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And as importantly, what did he observe as his father's reaction?

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What about those subsequent days after this? Buster talks about

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it in this club bus.

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Rolling, and I'll talk about the weekends leading up to

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June the seventh, Yes, sir, And and we showed the

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picture of the lake weekend that where you were went

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up to Kiwi with the proctors and the brand statters.

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Yes, sir.

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And then the following weekend, I believe was Memorial Day.

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Were you with your family on Memorial Day weekend?

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Yes, sir?

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And who was present?

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A lot of people were present. I was there, my

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brother was there, my mom and dad, my brother had

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some friends staying with us, and those are the people

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sleeping there. And then people are you know, in and

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out throughout the day, throughout the weekend.

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It was a fun family weekend, Yes, sir. Okay, there

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was a normal Memorial Day weekend at a stowe with

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your family and friends. Yes, right, okay, I'm gonna show

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you this is I'm gonna show you the finished Exhibit

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one twenty three. And I want to get you to

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identify as buster. Don't just say what it is.

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It's a picture of my mom and my dad and

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I on a boat.

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Do you have a Moral Day weekend?

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Yes, sir?

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Yeah, we moved defendance Exhibit one twenty three in the avenues.

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Good submit it just a photo of buster, yes, sir.

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And then I I believe this same weekend there was

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a birthday party or cookout. Is that right? Yes, sir, Doug,

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if you could play exhibit defense exhibit sixty one, please,

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it's in evidence. And I let just take a look

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at that.

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Thank you so much, Thank you, batter.

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Your mom make a cake for your dad, yes, sir.

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And that was a group of friends. When's your dad's birthday?

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Do you know exact day? It's not a test, you

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just say you don't know.

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If you don't, no, I don't. I don't know the

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exact day. It's around a Memorial Day, that's right, twenty

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seven maybe.

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The Then the following weekend, there was a baseball tournament

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in Columbia. Cry, yes, sir, till the jury about that weekend?

488
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:54.559
What what happened there?

489
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.640
That was the weekend South Carolina was hosting a regional

490
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.960
baseball tournament. And me and my mom, my dad, and

491
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.720
my girlfriend went to the to the baseball games.

492
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:10.240
And where was the game Columbia? And it was a

493
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.960
super regional or regional a regional, yes, sir? And and

494
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.279
and what what days that weekend did you go to

495
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:18.640
the game?

496
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:19.720
Saturday and Sunday.

497
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:21.960
Did your mom and dad stay in Columbia that weekend?

498
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:22.400
They did?

499
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:24.640
Where they stayed on Saturday night?

500
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:25.920
Yes, sir?

501
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:31.319
Okay, and you Jill tailgate with them on Saturday or Sunday, Yes, sir,

502
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.359
we did. And was it a normal weekend? It was

503
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:39.559
fun weekend, yes, sir. And that Sunday would have been

504
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:47.519
June the six, is that right, yes, sir? And and

505
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:49.559
then on June and the sebventh, we we went through

506
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:58.039
a host of number of telephone calls with you and

507
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:03.160
your dad and mom leading up to nine o eight

508
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:08.279
nine ten. On June seventh, Blush, when did you first

509
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.960
find out that your mom and brother were murder.

510
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:20.000
My? My dad called me. I can't I can't remember

511
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:25.119
the exact time, but it was later and he called

512
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:30.319
me on the phone. He asked me if I was

513
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:34.599
sitting down and I was like yeah, and then he

514
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:36.880
you know, sounded odd, and then he then he told

515
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.240
me that that my mom and and brother had been shot.

516
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:42.039
What'd you do?

517
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.440
Well, Brooklyn? My girlfriend was with me, and I think

518
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.440
she heard the She could hear my conversation kind of

519
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.880
over the phone, and so she just started packing packing

520
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:58.839
stuff and I kind of just sat there for a minute.

521
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:04.400
I was I was in shock. But eventually we got

522
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:09.119
our stuff together and drove down to Mozelle.

523
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.400
Do you remember what time you got to Mosille?

524
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.000
It was? It was early in the morning, late in

525
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:20.839
the morning, you know, if we left around ten thirty eleven,

526
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.759
got there sometime probably around two o'clock in the morning.

527
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.920
And when you got there, did you see your dad?

528
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:29.559
Yes, sir.

529
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.119
What kind of condition was he in? What was his demeanor?

530
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.000
Yeah? His demeanor was I mean he was destroying his

531
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.640
heart broken. I walked in the door and saw him

532
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:45.640
and gave him a hug and just just broken down.

533
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:46.519
Could he speak?

534
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:47.319
Not really?

535
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:48.839
Is he crying?

536
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:49.400
Yes, sir?

537
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.799
Who else was in the house? You remember?

538
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:59.039
Yeah, my girlfriend Brooklyn and I got there. My out

539
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.960
in the driveway, and my uncle Randy and Uncle John

540
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:07.720
were out there. Chris Wilson and Corey Fleming had just

541
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.480
gotten there. They had pulled in behind us. And when

542
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:14.559
I walked in, several of the partners were there. Ronnie

543
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.720
Crosby was there, Lee Cope was there, Mark Ball was there,

544
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:25.839
Austin Crosby was there, William Barnes, my buddy Nolan was there,

545
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.160
and I'm sure, I'm leaving some out, but that's just

546
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:30.960
what I remember.

547
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.720
And do you remember how long you stayed there?

548
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.640
Stayed there several hours probably, you know, probably three or

549
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.400
four hours till about four or five o'clock in the morning.

550
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:45.759
And where did you go?

551
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.960
And then we left Moseille and we went to Almita.

552
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.400
When you say we, who are you talking about?

553
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.440
My girlfriend, my dad and my uncle John?

554
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:04.319
And I know this a trivial, but what was your

555
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:08.240
dad wearing when you first saw him?

556
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:09.319
Shorts? T shirt?

557
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.519
Okay? And did you help him? Pat?

558
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:16.960
I did, yes, sir?

559
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.640
What did you do to help him? Pack?

560
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.720
Got his bag and went into the closet, grabbed some

561
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:28.960
T shirts, grabbed some shorts, grabbed toilet kit, put in

562
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.160
the bag and what why were you doing the package?

563
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.759
Just trying to help him? He you know, he was

564
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:39.559
so upset. We were all upset, but just trying to

565
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.160
expedite the process of getting out of me.

566
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.960
When when you went in to pack your your dad,

567
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:47.640
was there a T shirt laying on the floor.

568
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:49.359
I couldn't remember.

569
00:33:51.319 --> 00:34:00.359
Did you get shirts from above them? Sweat? Where did

570
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:01.319
you get the T shirts from?

571
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.519
Got him from the closet and there's like a wooden

572
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.440
It's like wooden shelves up on the wall. And I

573
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:09.880
was getting the T shirts from there.

574
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:12.159
Were there a lot of T shirts on the show?

575
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:12.760
Yes, sir.

576
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.159
Do you know whether or not one of the T

577
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.000
shirts fell on the floor when you were packed?

578
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:18.599
I don't know whether one of them fell on the

579
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:22.719
floor or not, but I mean certainly could have happened.

580
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:30.880
When you got to Mozille. Were you able to get

581
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:31.400
some sleep?

582
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:32.320
Nice, sir.

583
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.519
Did you go back to Moselle the next.

584
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.239
Morning, Yes, sir?

585
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:41.719
And who went with you?

586
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.920
Me, my girlfriend Brooklyn, and my dad and maybe John Marvin.

587
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.239
I don't know if he was riding with us or

588
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.760
already out there separately, but he was somewhere in the mix.

589
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:56.199
Do you remember roughly what time you got to Moselle.

590
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.400
I mean I think we got there rather early. You know,

591
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:04.599
nobody they slept and yeah, about early in the morning

592
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:05.280
sun comes up.

593
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:13.599
Just did did did you take a shower and Brooke

594
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.599
then take a shower at Almeda or did you do

595
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:16.440
it over at Moseille?

596
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.159
No, sir, We we slept at well, tried to sleep

597
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.840
at Almeda, and then we took everything back with us

598
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.639
to Moseille and we showered there.

599
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.440
Do you know where your dad took a shower that morning?

600
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:36.760
Mozelle?

601
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:42.760
And when you went back over in the morning. Do

602
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.599
you know what your dad was wearing when you we're

603
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:47.679
traveling from Almeda.

604
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.519
No, not specifically, but I know that you know, I

605
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.079
know what I packed could have been any of that.

606
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.400
It's just athletic shorts and T shirts and stuff.

607
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:11.599
And after you b got to Mozelle and I, I guess,

608
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:18.039
just carrying the days forward, were you with your dad? Well?

609
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:20.880
How often were you with your dad once you got

610
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.559
back to Mozille on on the eighth?

611
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.639
Every day.

612
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:29.519
For how many days?

613
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:30.679
For a good while?

614
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.199
Okay, so let's talk about where you stayed on the

615
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.119
nine of the eighth. You remember.

616
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:43.719
M night of the eighth, would have either stayed back

617
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.880
at Almeta or that's that's potentially when we made the

618
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.440
transition over to John Marmon's hunting lodge.

619
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:56.800
What were you what when you say we are you

620
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:57.639
including your father?

621
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:58.760
Yes, sir kay?

622
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:04.400
Did you drive together, Yes, sir he did. Was he

623
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.960
pretty much in your eyesight for the first few days, yes, sir,

624
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.679
And so after the eighth and then you come up

625
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.199
on the ninth a Wednesday. Do you know whether you

626
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:23.519
were at Meeta or spending the night at at your

627
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.039
uncle John Marvin's place.

628
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:27.400
Yeah, I think at that point we had switched over

629
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:29.360
to his place over at Greenfield.

630
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.079
Now, and you call it Greenfield. That's the name of

631
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:33.480
this his hunting.

632
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.760
Yes, sir, just the name of the property over all property.

633
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.320
Now, how far is it from from Almeta to Greenfield? Yeah?

634
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:47.280
A couple of minutes, I mean, yeah, right down the

635
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.159
raid m h.

636
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:59.280
And did and and do you remember how long you

637
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.440
stayed at it at Greenville with your death?

638
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:09.400
Yeah, I mean several days. And you know, I think

639
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:17.039
anywhere from the ninth to the Yeah, probably that rest

640
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:18.280
of that week through that weekend.

641
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.559
Yeah, on Thursday, June tenth. And what happened?

642
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.159
Your grandfather died, so.

643
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:32.760
The family who was together and stayed together, Yes, sir.

644
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.559
Do you ever remember your dad disappearing for any periods

645
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:38.880
of time?

646
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:39.800
Nay, sir.

647
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.639
Were you close physically close to him most all the time, yes, sir,

648
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.559
except when you were sleeping. And I believe the funeral

649
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:54.679
for your mom and brother memorial service was on that Saturday, yes, sir.

650
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.800
And then that Sunday was the funeral for your your father,

651
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:08.480
grandfather grandfather, Yes, sir, And at some point in time

652
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.239
you went to at did you go to Somerville at

653
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:12.960
some point in time?

654
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:13.519
Yes, sir.

655
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:19.119
Do you remember when you went to Somerville.

656
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.079
Right right? You know, beginning at that next week?

657
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.719
Hey, I want to ask you if that Defendants Exhibit

658
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.679
one twenty nine mark for identification purposes refreshes your recollection

659
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:36.440
as to when you left to go to Somerville. Yes, sir,

660
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.800
I went And want to tell the Jerry what what

661
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.679
is that? What's that document you have in your hand?

662
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:43.960
It's a it's a text threat between my girlfriend and.

663
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:48.559
I and and does it have so based on that

664
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:53.599
text communication between you and your girlfriend and refreshes your recollection,

665
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:54.519
when did you leave to go to.

666
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:56.280
Summerville June fourteenth?

667
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.280
And looking through there refreshing your recollection? How long did

668
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.440
you stay in Summerville?

669
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:20.920
Stayed in Summerville until stayed in Somerville until the seventeenth.

670
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.760
And then what do you remember doing after you left Somerville.

671
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.320
On the seventeenth we left Summerville to go to Lake Kiwi.

672
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:29.519
And so when you were in Somerville from the fourteenth

673
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.360
to the seventeenth. Who were you staying with?

674
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.280
Staying with my grandparents?

675
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:39.599
And then you went to Kiwi? Who did you go with?

676
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.719
Went with my dad and I my grandparents, my aunt

677
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:49.960
and uncle and their children, their children's boyfriends. And how

678
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:50.199
was that?

679
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.079
So you're with your dad from the night of June

680
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:01.079
seventh and through the Kiwi trip, Is that correct?

681
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:01.559
Yes, sir?

682
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:11.000
Yeah, And you remember what you did after the Kiwach

683
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:16.800
Lake kiwe Trump. Now, at some point in time you decide,

684
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:18.960
you know, I've got to go back to rock Hill?

685
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.199
Yeah, yes, sir, remember roughly when that was? No, I mean,

686
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:24.880
I think it was some time following all this, but

687
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.320
I couldn't. I can't tell you exactly when I went

688
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:34.039
back to work.

689
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.880
When you just decided to go back to rock Hill.

690
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.480
You had you had a job in Charlotte, Is that right, Yes, sir.

691
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:46.199
Did you have any discussions with your father about your

692
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:47.719
personal safety?

693
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:48.280
Yes, sir.

694
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:50.840
Did he make any offers to you?

695
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:51.280
He did?

696
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:52.800
What offers did he make to you?

697
00:41:52.880 --> 00:42:01.320
He offered me to pass for the objection, here's safe.

698
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:02.480
Stop serving here soon?

699
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.559
Thoughts you're an offer? Is not here saying it's an offering?

700
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:08.880
The objection, Sustin.

701
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:22.079
Did did you take any security precautions?

702
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:26.280
No?

703
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.840
Did you want any security protection?

704
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.559
No, sir, I didn't. Why not, Well, I didn't. I

705
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:38.679
didn't want to carry a gun or anything like that.

706
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:42.880
And I also didn't want like a private security detail

707
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.559
following me around, just for lack of privacy in and

708
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.320
at the time the places that I that I was

709
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.440
staying in the places that I were going, like I

710
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:56.800
was staying at rock Hill in my girlfriend's house, who

711
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:04.960
has yeah, alarm systems and security cameras and whatnot. And

712
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.960
then other than that, I'm staying in hotels, which you know,

713
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:09.599
I just felt.

714
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.880
Did it some point in time you and your father

715
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:24.159
announce her a reward? Yes, sir, I'm show you what

716
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:29.159
a marchis defenders exhibit. Ask if you identify this. If

717
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:37.559
you can't identify this, yes, sir, this is the reward, Yes,

718
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:41.199
said news release up about the reward, Yes, sir, your honor,

719
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:41.639
we've moved.

720
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:42.360
Did it?

721
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.559
Did you worked on this language with your dad?

722
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:47.079
Yes, sir.

723
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:52.199
Can can you read to the jury the first two

724
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.480
paragraphs please, beginning with Alex and Buster Murdoch.

725
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:59.800
Yes, sir, Alec and Buster Murdock announced today a reward

726
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.480
of one hundred thousand for information leading to the arrest

727
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.400
and conviction of the person or persons who brutally murdered

728
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.599
Paul and Maggie on June seventh of twenty twenty one.

729
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:12.159
I want to thank everyone for the incredible love and

730
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.800
support that we have received over the last few weeks.

731
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.400
Now is the time to bring justice for Maggie and Paul.

732
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.039
Buster and I, along with Maggie's mother, father, and our

733
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.679
entire family, asked that anyone with helpful information immediately call

734
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:29.400
the SLED tip line or Crime Support Sorry, crime stoppers.

735
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:36.599
Thank you. Now, there's a in the body of this

736
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:40.360
there's a expiration date on this reward. What's what's your

737
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.800
understanding of purpose of having an expiration date?

738
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:47.800
I'm not really sure.

739
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:51.679
Well, you say this says to be eligible, the person

740
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.800
claiming the reward must submit the tip to SLED out

741
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.360
of crime Stoppers by September thirty one, twenty twenty one.

742
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.079
Yes, sir, what.

743
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:12.440
Happened in September early September twenty twenty one, Buster talking

744
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.960
about the Yeah do you remember your dad? Yes to

745
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:23.519
Detox roadside shooting. Yes, sir, from from that moment that

746
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:28.159
your dad went to the hospital and went to Detox.

747
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:35.039
Did he ever come back home to his property, his clothes,

748
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:36.440
his belongings.

749
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.000
Nice knowledge, Nice.

750
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:50.519
There's been questions about whereabouts? Whereabouts on Alex's clothes can

751
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.599
tell the jury before he went off to Detox where

752
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:57.840
his clothes were? How many different locations he had clothes?

753
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:04.880
So had closed at Moselle had closed it, Greenfield had

754
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.840
closed it, probably a few closes at Almeta had closed it,

755
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.119
Ringy and Christie's house had had to close a lot

756
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:14.559
of places.

757
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:16.719
Do you have closed down to Chessie or yep?

758
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.519
Yep, CHESSI Ok. They have closed at a stove, yes, sir?

759
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:21.920
Do you have closed in his car?

760
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.679
Yes, sir, you can't leave the ws.

761
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:32.280
How many nights after June seventh to your knowledge did

762
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.159
your dad spend at Moselle nine? How many nights after

763
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:41.079
June seventh did you spend at Moselle nine. I'm gonna

764
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.039
did you have the snapchat video? Can you pull that

765
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:52.400
up please? Of the tree? You know this is the

766
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.320
Snapchat video of this in evidence. I'll get the exhibit

767
00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:08.599
Nomber for the record. Shortly the uh buster. You recognize

768
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:08.960
that shirt?

769
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.639
Ah? Yes, sir, what kind of shirt is It's like

770
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.599
a you know, short sleeve, button down shirt.

771
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:18.320
Is it a Columbia shirt?

772
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.440
No, it doesn't look like a Columbia shirt. What color

773
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:22.480
is it's blue?

774
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:30.440
Did your dad have a foam green Columbia sports shirt?

775
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:35.960
Maybe? Is this it?

776
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:36.480
No?

777
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:37.880
This is blue.

778
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:49.119
Did do you you know if your dad ever ordered

779
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:54.119
any of vinny vine or I don't know. Did you order?

780
00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:03.079
Did you order close after your mother and Bruh murders?

781
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.079
Maybe he ordered clothes, but he he doesn't wear a

782
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:08.039
lot of vineyard vines.

783
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.280
Okay, have you ever seen him five vineyard vine?

784
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:12.880
No, sir?

785
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.639
Sometime in August, did did you go with your dad

786
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.719
where you you played in a golf tournament?

787
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:26.679
Yes, sir, I went played in a golf tournament and

788
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.239
he came and wanted to watch us play in it.

789
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:30.800
And what kind of golf tournament?

790
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:34.119
It's a It's a golf tournament that a buddy of

791
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.360
mine puts on in Summerville every year. It's called the

792
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.840
jess So Invitational. It's just a bunch of guys that

793
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.800
are friends come together and play in a golf tournament.

794
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.840
And did you look up the date of that tournament

795
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:53.039
before testifying today, I did. And what date? What's what

796
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.920
wee can? Was that tournament in August? Stuff? Excuse me?

797
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:56.880
In twenty twenty one?

798
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.920
Yeah, it's the last weekend in August of twenty one.

799
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:09.119
Do you know if you were in the well? Was

800
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:12.519
there a house? Uh, Johnny Parker had that your dad

801
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:13.559
kept stuff in?

802
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.880
Yes, sir, there's a there's a small house in between

803
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:21.199
Johnny Parker's house and my uncle Andy's house. It's I

804
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.360
think I think mister Johnny built it for his mom

805
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:26.880
or or mother in law or something when she was sick.

806
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:29.400
But yeah, there's a little little two bedroom house right there.

807
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:31.280
And did your dad stay there? He did?

808
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:31.760
He did.

809
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.280
I don't know if we mentioned that as one of

810
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:34.840
the places where there was clothing.

811
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.519
Yeah, that'd be one. That'd be another one, all right.

812
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.639
So there are a lot of places, yes, sir, were

813
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.559
you were you there? Did you observe your dad talking

814
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.920
to Blanc about anything where you're getting ready to go

815
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:48.599
on the golf trip?

816
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.440
Nice, sir, Okay, you were not a president nicer. I

817
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.400
don't think I was present.

818
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.719
Where did you go in any other golfing outings in

819
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:00.760
all August with your dad.

820
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:08.119
You know, yes, earlier and earlier August of that year,

821
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.559
we played played go off down in Hilton Head with

822
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:12.480
the people from the trial Arris convention.

823
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:26.559
Now you've have you been sitting in this courtroom mhm

824
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:28.599
since day one?

825
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.719
Yes, sir, every trial started every day.

826
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:36.559
Just very briefly, well you you've heard us money during

827
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:41.119
this trial, that your dad was stealing money from clients.

828
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:42.639
Did you know anything about the.

829
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:44.599
Okay?

830
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:52.039
And just lastly, roughly, how long would it take to

831
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:56.400
clean a dog run down at the kennels? Two dog

832
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:57.320
runs for e Now.

833
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.000
Roughly i'd say ten minutes or so.

834
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:02.559
Okay, And what do you have to do?

835
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:04.880
You got to get the hose, turn the hose on,

836
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.880
spray out, spray out the dog kennels. You you know,

837
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:09.360
put the bet on top of the wooden box of

838
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:10.159
the BET's not wet.

839
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.239
Now what do you spraying? Dog newer?

840
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.679
Yeah, springing you know, dog pit and it spreads out

841
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.159
and you've got to that's right, Yeah, you gotta spread,

842
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.599
make sure it's all out of there, spread to the back.

843
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.159
All right, thank you. That's all happened.

844
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:33.519
Now the prosecution at this point they're wanting to get

845
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:37.800
up there and ask their own questions, but they have

846
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.599
to be careful. The last person you want to look

847
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:47.400
like you're attacking in this trial is Buster Murdaal, who's

848
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.079
lost every single person in his immediate family at this point,

849
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.440
his brother and mother are dead and his father's on

850
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:56.280
trial for it.

851
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:57.960
So they make what I.

852
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:04.000
Consider a brilliant decision, and they allow my favorite lawyer

853
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:09.440
in this case, the awesome John Metters, to lead the questioning.

854
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.639
And incidentally, I did a little digging on John Metters

855
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:19.239
and absolute stud of a lawyer, a special prosecutor in

856
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:23.119
fact for the state of South Carolina. They only call

857
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:28.079
him for high profile murder cases and he is paid

858
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:32.679
by the state on a per case basis. This guy

859
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:37.199
is the shit. Well, in this first clip, you're going

860
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:42.880
to hear an amazing open Remember, he has to be delicate.

861
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.440
He doesn't want to offend this jury by looking like

862
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:51.440
he's being anything but delicate to Buster Murdal. And he

863
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:55.519
also asked Buster about Moselle's layout, which is very important

864
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:00.280
to the movements of Alex, especially as it were to

865
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:03.599
a timeline. So here's what that sign of life.

866
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.159
Can I call you a bus Yes, sir, I'm John

867
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.760
and first off, tell you I am sorry about your mother.

868
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:20.880
I'm sorry about his mother, and I'm sorry about.

869
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:21.960
Your brother, thank you.

870
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:23.599
And I'm sorry about your grandfather.

871
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:25.000
Thank you.

872
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:28.719
He was nice to me when I was a young

873
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.400
assistant Slicterra, I'm sorry for your loss, Yes, sir, I

874
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:32.440
appreciate it.

875
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:32.760
Thank you.

876
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.079
I don't have any questions for you, buster.

877
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:36.559
Okay.

878
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.280
When you are leaving the main house, you told mister

879
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:45.280
Griffin that the the main entrance was the brick entrance, Yes, sir,

880
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:51.320
but there's also a side entrance or by the kennel's entrances.

881
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:54.079
It, I'm yes, sir, just a totally different entrance.

882
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.480
And the mailbox was at the side entrance, yes, or

883
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.079
the mail the miss the kennel att yes, okay, why

884
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:01.400
was that?

885
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:02.519
Do you know? I don't know.

886
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.960
I think it's just the I really don't.

887
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:10.079
I don't even. But the packages would come to, you

888
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:12.599
said the kennel side, they would come to the shed

889
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.119
and a lot of times y'all would use that kennel

890
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:19.760
entrance takes it to go just like you'd used the

891
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:20.280
main one.

892
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.679
Right, yeah, you would. I would say that I more

893
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:27.480
so tended to use the the main one. The one

894
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:29.960
that I'd say is the is the brick fillers. But yeah,

895
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:31.679
I mean you could certainly leave either way.

896
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:36.239
But if you were leaving the main entrance and you

897
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:40.559
got down, you're leaning the house and you're going toward

898
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:43.360
the brick and then you know, it's kind of a

899
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.880
why where it kind of cuts off to the kennel too, right, Sure,

900
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.000
so you go straight or left. If you were leaving

901
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.280
at night, going straight, and if you were looking out

902
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.719
to the left and the lights wrong, you'd be able

903
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:57.519
to see the lights on that the kennel just from

904
00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:58.519
that little while, wouldn't you.

905
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.920
Maybe, depending on what lights were on and whatnot. I

906
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:03.880
mean if it was fully lit up, maybe.

907
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:06.880
And just from that wine instead of going straight, if

908
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.079
you from that distance, you'd be able If the light's

909
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:11.920
wrong fully, you'd probably be ab.

910
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.679
To see maybe, yessir al Meda.

911
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.480
Where your grandma and green Daddy were. Is that close

912
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:22.639
to the I think it's close to the law.

913
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.280
Firm, isn't it Almeda? Yes, close to the law firm.

914
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.119
I wouldn't say so. I mean anywhere in Hampton is

915
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:31.920
close to anywhere in Hampton because it's not very big.

916
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.360
But I mean it's it's a ten ten minute twelve

917
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.639
minute drive out to Almeda. I would think from from

918
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:39.400
the law firm.

919
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.480
I think, mister duck, could you bring that one thirty one?

920
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.280
Did I ask him to do that? And then I'm

921
00:55:45.280 --> 00:56:00.119
still how can be exposed drifting equipment? That's sure, so

922
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.360
you don't have to get But you see, is this

923
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:04.400
kind of way you said everybody would park?

924
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:09.280
It's right so if you look, no, sir, you can

925
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:10.519
so if you look right off.

926
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:11.679
This one one you might want to come down to

927
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:12.400
you if you don't mind it.

928
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:13.039
This is.

929
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:16.639
So if you look right over here, this is kind

930
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.880
of what I'm referring to, is like the back corner

931
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.760
of the house, and it would basically you would come

932
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.000
around there's a big oak tree here, you come around

933
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:26.360
it and then you basically pull up and you would

934
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.800
probably stop the hood of your car right and you know,

935
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.880
right off the back corner.

936
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:33.440
Of the house, so a bit closer to here than

937
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:37.519
the over here. You about right in here, so right in.

938
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.199
Here, yeah, I mean, because you don't want to pull

939
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:41.199
up super close to it, yeah, be right off.

940
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:44.320
But there was a driveway, all in paved driveway in here.

941
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.880
Right there is a paved driveway over towards the side

942
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:47.320
of the house.

943
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.440
Okay, and really not many tire tracks. Grass looks good

944
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:50.719
in here.

945
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.400
I don't know when these pictures were taking it. It's

946
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.920
a little dead right there, but there is a driveway

947
00:56:59.000 --> 00:56:59.679
right there's a driver.

948
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:01.079
You can't have to see that, thank you?

949
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:02.880
Please? Wait when did you.

950
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:09.639
When did you first mention that to anybody? That that's

951
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.280
far from ino in the yard there?

952
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:13.039
What do you mean?

953
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:15.599
I mean, like, when did you first discuss that with

954
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:20.199
anybody as far as far as part that your grandma,

955
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:21.920
I'm good Dad's house. When was the first time you

956
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:22.840
talk to me about about that?

957
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.079
A couple of days A couple of days ago, A couple.

958
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:33.119
Of days ago, okay, that's the first time you mentioned that?

959
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:36.519
Sure, okay?

960
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:45.119
And then that would have been after Shelley testified, right,

961
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:46.599
Shelley Smith.

962
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:50.559
I guess I don't really remember when miss Smith testify.

963
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:55.440
Miss Smith, did you bring that to somebody's a teacher

964
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:56.400
or did somebody ask.

965
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:56.719
You about it?

966
00:57:58.639 --> 00:57:59.119
I couldn't.

967
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:07.039
I'm not sure, and I think you keep forgetting my

968
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:13.920
old cross. You testified that how many times had you

969
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.079
been there with your dad? I wasn't quite clear with

970
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:18.360
your answers, mister Griffin, I'm not trying to be difficult, but.

971
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:20.440
I understand, and I can't give you an approximate number.

972
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:22.039
But I mean I've been out there with them several times.

973
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:27.920
And would you always call? You said you called? Did

974
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:29.480
you always call when you got there?

975
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:31.400
Yeah? I feel like most of the time you would

976
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.199
call just to tell, you know, because the ladies getting nervous,

977
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.000
you know, if you if you aren't, if you hadn't called,

978
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.280
and they see a car pulling in the driveway, you know,

979
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:40.039
it's just easier to call and let them know, like, hey,

980
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.800
we're gonna be pulling around, you know, please unlock the

981
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.039
door or we'd like to come out.

982
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:47.679
Had you ever been over there at six thirty in

983
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:48.119
the morning?

984
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:50.599
Have I ever been out there at six thirty in

985
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:59.400
the morning, any, I mean, just like overall my I guess, yeah,

986
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:00.719
I mean, I mean I I've been out there at

987
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.719
six point thirty in the morning before going hunting and

988
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.360
what not. And you call then also then right, well

989
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:10.400
that was going into the house, I mean yeah, yeah, sure,

990
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:12.760
I would just let him know, especially six thirty in

991
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:13.559
the morning. Sure.

992
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.840
Now in this last clip matters. He starts kind of

993
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:24.039
working Buster a little bit, especially as it relates to

994
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:28.199
the problems Alex was having as it relates to money

995
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:32.800
in the stress that goes with all of that, And

996
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.800
he even touches on the murder itself, and he asks

997
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:41.559
Buster his perception on the aftermath of those murders, and

998
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:46.360
Griffin even gets up and asks a one question rebuttal,

999
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:49.599
So here's all that in this club.

1000
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:51.280
Your mom loved Edis though, didn't she?

1001
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:52.199
Yes? Sir? She did?

1002
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:56.280
I love Edis stuff. She was actually getting some work

1003
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:57.159
done down there, wasn't she?

1004
00:59:57.800 --> 00:59:59.840
Yes? Or she was getting some work done on the house.

1005
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:04.840
And on this date, June seventh, Literally there were people

1006
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:06.840
inside doing work that day, weren't they?

1007
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:07.320
I think so?

1008
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.000
And her plan was to stay down there that night,

1009
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:11.000
wasn't it. I don't know.

1010
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:14.079
I don't know what her plan was you had.

1011
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:18.880
I think the last time you've been to Moselle, you said,

1012
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.440
was the spring, maybe a few months prior to this, Okay,

1013
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:24.320
And you have to say yes for the courtor Woard

1014
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:24.719
not from me?

1015
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:26.360
Yes, sorry?

1016
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.960
And you talked to your mom that day on June seventh, yes, sir,

1017
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.360
And I think you had talked to Paul the last

1018
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.639
time on the fifth, If I'm not mistaken, June fifth,

1019
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:42.400
that's what you told them on the interview. Sure, and

1020
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:46.679
mister Griffiths to ask you about the financial troubles and

1021
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.039
that have come out here. You had no knowledge of

1022
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:51.719
your financial your dad's financial difficulties at all.

1023
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:52.440
Did you, sir?

1024
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:54.519
I mean you really didn Suir, I really didn't.

1025
01:00:55.159 --> 01:01:01.280
And as far as you knew financially, the family was sound, yes, sir,

1026
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:04.119
he went to Watford.

1027
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:05.280
I did go to Watford.

1028
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:10.199
Go Terry for the record, thank you. But everything as

1029
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.719
far as you knew financially was okay. And when did

1030
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:16.199
you learn it?

1031
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:30.119
What? Uh m hmm. I guess on September the for

1032
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.079
whatever that day in September.

1033
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:37.760
Was so back in the birthday. I guess for your

1034
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:44.079
dad memorial day, Danadeta stuff. Sure defense exhibit and I apologize,

1035
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:48.280
I don't know what number it was just played. I

1036
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.679
believe that mister Chris Wilson is hugging your dad, Yes, sir, okay,

1037
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:52.719
he's a family friend.

1038
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:53.639
Yes, sir, okay.

1039
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:55.800
You didn't know then that he owed your dad owed

1040
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:57.960
Chris Wilson or stole one hundred and ninety two thousand

1041
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.639
from him, did you? I did not, And I'm not

1042
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:04.320
saying that big mean, but you really didn't know that

1043
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:09.679
that's that's correct, didn't I? And this voting, the voting

1044
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:18.400
accident that mister Griffin asked you about, that was pressure

1045
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:19.360
on the family, wasn't it.

1046
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:24.960
I don't know that pressure is the right word. I mean,

1047
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:27.960
it's it's definitely in an uneasy feeling. You know, your

1048
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.559
your brother is criminally charged and then you myself and

1049
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:35.480
my father have civil charges. Mean definitely unsettling. I mean

1050
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:38.960
it called stress within the family, didn't it? It was

1051
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:42.079
it was stressful. I wouldn't say within the family because

1052
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.159
I mean, you know, we supported each other and.

1053
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:47.599
I'm not I'm not questioning that, but I mean as

1054
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:53.280
your mom felt ostracized, yes, sir, she more so wanted

1055
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:54.039
to say that and stuff.

1056
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:55.199
Yes, sir.

1057
01:02:57.159 --> 01:02:59.360
I mean you were a little frustrated with Paul yourself,

1058
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:02.760
weren't you, in terms of using your ID and getting

1059
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.320
all that and that case is out of okay, But

1060
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.239
I mean you didn't like it when he used your ID.

1061
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:08.039
You sell.

1062
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.840
And I'm not trying to go anywhere buster, but he'd

1063
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:14.719
use your ID sometimes you didn't want him.

1064
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:19.239
To questions, gonna ask questions comments? What's the question?

1065
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:21.480
Was the question?

1066
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.599
Did you like it? Did he he used your id?

1067
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:26.039
Didn't?

1068
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:32.360
He stretches over? I'm sorry, can you say it again?

1069
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:35.599
Did Paul use your identification?

1070
01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:36.159
Yes?

1071
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:41.119
Did that frustrate you sometimes? He was shown the tree

1072
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.840
video with the shirt and the pants.

1073
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:45.159
You remember that, yes, sir?

1074
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.679
When you saw your dad on the night of June seventh,

1075
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:48.320
what do you have on.

1076
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:50.840
When I had made my way up to the house,

1077
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:54.199
he was wearing shorts and a and a T shirt.

1078
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:57.280
Who took who laundrew just closed.

1079
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.480
At that period of time? Uh? Would have been Blanco.

1080
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:05.000
And then my mom also does laundry sometimes.

1081
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:06.920
But on a day to day. Did Blanca take care

1082
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:10.159
of your dad's clothes, laundry and clean and folding?

1083
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:10.760
Yes, sir.

1084
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.639
Mister Griffin asked you about I leant to do that.

1085
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:22.880
You never went back to Mozelle after this incident?

1086
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:26.840
Well, I mean after if you take June seventh on June,

1087
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.760
I mean I've I've been back to Mozelle since then,

1088
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.039
but I've never slept on another night at Mozille.

1089
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:33.599
Did your dad try to get you to go hunting?

1090
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:35.119
Out there again one time, or suggest it?

1091
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.280
He he asked if I wanted to, and if I

1092
01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.440
wanted to that I could, But you didn't want to, No, sir,

1093
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:43.440
didn't didn't want to go.

1094
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:46.639
That's all I had to thank you, Yes, sir.

1095
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:47.079
Thank you.

1096
01:04:47.679 --> 01:05:03.599
What a masterful job by metters there. Amazing really, And

1097
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:08.800
that's all I've got for you today. Look tomorrow, if

1098
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:14.440
you are a Patreon subscriber, a bonus episode just for

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you folks is dropping tomorrow and it is fire. You're

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01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:23.000
gonna want to check it out. And many of you

1101
01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:29.400
may remember the DC Madam scandal. It is on a

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01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:34.119
particular senator that was involved in that scandal, and I

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got that full story for you, and that is just

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01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:54.360
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