Dec. 12, 2024

"Murdaugh" Episode Fourteen | Clean Clothes Create Questions

"Murdaugh" Episode Fourteen | Clean Clothes Create Questions

In this episode of the “Murdaugh” series, Jim breaks down the testimony of  Detective Laura Rutland in the Alex Murdaugh trial, focusing on her crime scene observations as courtroom tensions start to rise.

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05:45 Detective Laura Rutland...

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In this episode of the “Murdaugh” series, Jim breaks down the testimony of Detective Laura Rutland in the Alex Murdaugh trial, focusing on her crime scene observations as courtroom tensions start to rise.

Chapters
05:45 Detective Laura Rutland Testifies
20:31 Analyzing the Crime Scene
50:45 The Murdaugh Family Interviews
1:12:05 The Search Warrant

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman, and this

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is the fourteenth episode in our Murdall series.

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podcast Files. So let's get into it. And the last

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time we left you, we were in the first day

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of testimony in the murder All trial, and I played

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some of that testimony for you and we discussed it

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as I went through. So there's going to be a

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similar format today. But I'm not going to play all

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seventy witnesses in this trial during this series. It's just

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too much to cover, and some of these witnesses it's

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not really key stuff. So I'm just going to cover

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the ones that made a big impact and I'm going

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to summarize the rest of them. So also testing on

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day one was to Niche Bryson Smith. She was the

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Hampton County nine one one dispatcher that talked to Murdall

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initially when he called nine one one and actually rited

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his call through to Captain Angela Stallings, who also testified.

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That was the Collington County nine one one dispatcher. Also

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testifying on day one, fire Chief Barry McRoy. He responded

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to the scene and what he did created a little

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bit of controversy. He covered those bodies with sheets. Now,

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the reason he did this obviously, you had family arriving

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on the scene, not only Murdal but his brother arrived

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on the scene, and it was out of respect really,

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and he didn't want these people to see these bodies

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like this, But it created a problem because detectives hadn't

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arrived yet to do their whole CSI thing on all this,

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and when you cover the body with a sheet before

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that happens, you take a risk of contaminating DNA. So

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after the fire chief testified that he did indeed cover

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the bodies with sheets, Captain Jason Chapman took the stand.

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He was with the Collington County Sheriff's Office, and the

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defense did a good job of kind of pushing him

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to say that he didn't want those bodies covered with

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sheets for obvious reasons that I just explained. So they

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recessed for the day. In the next day, which was Friday,

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January twenty seventh of twenty twenty three, they had three

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more witnesses. This is day two of the trial. First

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up was SLED Agent Melinda Warley. She was a criminologist

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and she was the one that actually created the crime

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scene diagram and presented what is known as the SLED report.

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They talked to SLED agent Delia Cicirion and she transported

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Maggie's but she didn't put it in once known as

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a Faraday bag, which is like an evidence protection bag,

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and that was a problem that came out in day

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two of the trial. But what stuck out to me

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the most after day two, and what we're going to

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focus on today, was the testimony of Detective Laura Rutland

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of the Collington County Sheriff's Office. And you may remember

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way back when in one of the very first episodes,

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I covered Alex Murdock getting questioned on the scene inside

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that vehicle and there was a female detective there with

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the male detective. And that female detective was indeed Detective

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Lord Rutland. So we're going to focus on her testimony today.

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And Lord Rutland was a detective with the Collington County

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Sheriff's Office who was not only as sharp as they come,

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but she was also a true crime podcast fan, which

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is pretty awesome. It actually he came up during the

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questioning and you'll hear that so much so that it's

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what led her to become a detective. Now, in her questioning,

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the assistant prosecutor led the questioning and his name was

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John Metter, and in addition to having that Southern charm

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that you would picture of a Southern lawyer, he is

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also the most experienced prosecutor in the entire state of

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South Carolina as it relates to murder trials. So let's

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look into the crime scene from Detective Rutland's eyes, and

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I'll give you my thoughts on this after this line

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of questioning wraps up. But here's the prosecution questioning Laura Rutland.

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This time the State of South Carolina calls Detective Laura Rutland.

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It was your right hand, left hand by you from

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the test of wing about the just recording this child.

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I'll be the truth to help you buy I do.

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If you take a seat on the witness stand, state

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your name again, spell your last name.

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My name is Laura Rutland. Are U T L A

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N D. Good morning, Good morning.

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Are you nervous? Yes, nobody's watching.

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You.

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Are Laura Rutland.

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I am.

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Please tell the ladies and gentlemen of this jury about

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Laura Rutland. Where you're from, UH, where you were born,

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where you lived, and a little bit.

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Of your bright background leading up to law enforcement.

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Please, ma'am, Good morning everybody. I was born in uh

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Charleston in South Carolina. When I was about six months old,

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my family moved back to England, where where we're d

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originally from. Lived there until I was about three or

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four years old, came back to the United States. Grew

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up in Somerville, South Carolina. Graduated from Somerville High School.

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After I graduated, I was working as a dog groomer,

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met my would be my husband. We moved to Port Royal,

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South Carolina. He was in the Marine Corps stationed at

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Paris Island at the time. Then we moved to Bluffton.

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We had decided I decided to pursue law enforcement. I've

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always been a true crime NERD into mysteries and things

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like that, so I decided to pursue law enforcement. I

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graduated from the South Carolina Criminal Justice Justice Academy in

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twenty ten and was working at the Blufton Police Department,

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where I held various roles. Started on patrol, became a detective.

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Then I was promoted to a supervisor where I supervise

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a patrol shift and then eventually supervise the detective unit

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at bluft And PD. My husband and I decided we

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wanted a lot of kids, so after I had my

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third baby, I decided to try my civilian job get

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out of law enforcement for a little bit with a

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better schedule. So I briefly worked on Paris Island as

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a sexual assault victim advocate for the Sexual Assault Response

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and Prevention Program. Realized I missed law enforcement so wanted

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to get back, so especially investigations. I first tried Bufort

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Police Department, but it would take several years for them

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to have an opening in criminal investigations. So then I

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came to the Coleton County Sheriff's Office where they were

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seeking experience detectives, and so I joined Collington County Sheriff's

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Office in September twenty twenty and February twenty twenty one,

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I was transferred to the Criminal Investigation Division where I

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currently am. Now my main focus is child crimes, which

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means children of sexual and physical abuse. Those are the

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cases that I predominantly work as well as I'm a

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South Carolina i CAAC task Force member, and what that

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means is it's uh Internet crimes against children and that's

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a task force that's partnership with the Attorney General's Office

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and we basically battle online child predators, child pornography, those

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types of cases. We do rotate homicides in the detective

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division among nine of us.

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At some point, did you work at Paris Island?

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I did, yes, sir, Tell these folks what you did then?

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I was a sexual assault victim advocate for civilians on

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the base.

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And your training and law enforcement's been what detective?

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It's been various things. It's it's been basic training to

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advance training, you name it. I've attended several advanced trainings

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hosted by other law enforcement agencies, state and federal.

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How many children do you have now?

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We have four?

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Okay? And does your husband work?

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He does?

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Does he work at hall?

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He does?

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So you started full time with Collington in one year

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twenty twenty okay?

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And what was your role when you first started with

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Collington County shares schad.

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I started on patrol to familiarize myself with the county.

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Then did you work yourself or not? For God? But

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you become a detective? I did? Okay?

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When was that February twenty twenty one.

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On June seventh of twenty twenty one, Well, let me

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ask before you get there, what.

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Are you not to pray? Don't want the world to know,

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but to go into Where do you live?

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I live in Ridgeland.

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Now on June seventh, for twenty twenty one, it was

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a wrong call. I was, okay, how far is it

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from Ridgeland to Hear.

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Forty five minutes to an hour depending on traffic, and

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what college in county I'm going to?

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Did you receive a call to respond to a double homicide?

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I did?

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And where was that? Where were you stressed to respond.

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Initially to the scene of forty seven Moselle Road, But

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due to my long commute, it was better that I

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stopped at the sheriff's office first and I'd be the

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one to prepare the search warrant for the property.

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And who were you coordinating with during that? I mean

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who was your boss?

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That's Captain Jason Chapman.

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And after you'd received the call, did you confer with

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Captain Chapman?

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I did?

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And a result of as a result of that, what

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did you do?

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I went to the Sheriff's office, prepared the search warrant,

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was finally able to track down a magistrate. I had

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to wake him up out of his bed to sign

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the warrant, and I was able to secure a search

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warrant for the property.

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Okay, and for forty one seven Mozilla, Yes, sir, what

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did you do after you got.

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The search want I notified everybody over the radio that

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I had the search warrant signed because I wasn't sure

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the SLED crime scene unit was waiting on me and

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it was still gonna take some time to get out there.

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And then I made my way to forty one forty

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seven Moselle Road with the warrant.

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Had you been out there before to forty one forty

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seven Mozille Never? When you went out there, did you

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know what your role was gonna be as you were

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going out there?

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I did not.

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When you got to the scene, tell us what happened.

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So when I pulled up, I noticed there were several

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SLED agents as well as Colleton County deputies at the scene.

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I was basically the last one there, and I met

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with my supervisor, Captain Jason Chapman, and presented them with

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the search warrant as well as SLED. He asked me

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if I knew the Murdoch family, to which I applied.

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I did not. They then asked me if I was

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familiar with it a boat accident that happened in Beaufort,

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and my reply was I've heard of it, but I

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don't know the details. So with that information, they said, okay,

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you're going to be assigned as the liaison with the

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lead SLED agent on the case, who was identified as

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Senior Special Agent David Owen, and that my task was

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going to be to assist him with anything he may

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need that evening at the scene and throughout the investigation.

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And I think we're for a prior testability, but the

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case was turned over to SLED for because of a

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potential conflict.

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That's incorrect.

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That was one of the things my captain advised me

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when I arrived at the search warrant. He advised me

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that SLED was going to be the lead agency on

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the case.

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And did you know special Agent David Owens prior for

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that night? I did not, But see, did you get

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to know him and actually.

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Get to work with and so I did, Yes, sir,

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And let's.

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Start out with that job.

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When you first got the forty one forty seven and

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you've got your instructions to who we're gonna work with,

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what were your observations?

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Tell these folks what you So the first thing as

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I approached the I'm sure you've all heard of the kennels,

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was the overwhelming smell and a lot of water on

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the ground by the kennels. And then the first body

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that I approached was the deceased male. He was laying

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face down at an angle with his feet inside the

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plane of the door. There was obvious trauma to the

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top of his head. He was covered with a sheet,

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but I could still see the top of his head

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from underneath the sheet. Obvious trauma. There was brain, blood, hair,

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skull matter all within the feed room and the ceiling.

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There was a deceased female approximately thirty feet across from

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where his body was, and she was covered as well,

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but I had been told that they both had gunshot

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wounds to their heads. And then from there we UH

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located the nine one one caller, mister Alec Myrnall.

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Now, did you know if I was refer him to

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as Paul and Maggie? Did you know Paul Murdall and

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or Maggie Murdain?

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I did not.

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Had you ever seen him before you saw him laying

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dead on the ground.

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No, at that point, did you walk any of the

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rest of the scene.

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Not.

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At that point we'll tell the folks what you did. Did.

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After that, we located UH, mister Murda Alec standing at

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the back of the there was his suburban and then there

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was I believe his brother Randy had arrived at the

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scene at that point and they were standing behind Randy's truck. Oh,

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so they couldn't see the scene anymore. So we approached

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him and asked if he would speak with us. He

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introduced the man standing next to him as his personal attorney,

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Danny Henderson, and he agreed to speak with us. By

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this point it had started to rain, so we utilized

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Agent Owen vehicle to do the interview.

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Now, before we.

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Get to that that you had you made any other

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observations about bullet holes or shellcasings?

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Pried from that.

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Yes, there were shellcasings in front of Maggie's head area

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in front and to the left on the ground in

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between there was like a gravel area in between the

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two buildings.

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Had you seen what's been referred to as the feed room?

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And yes, okay, what did you observe in there?

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For you? Things inside the feed room. I did observe

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body matter that had been on the ceiling as well

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as covered in items. Inside the feed room. There was

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a shotgun wadding on the on the floor, inside the

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feed room, as well as droplets of blood on the concrete.

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Could you see the holes in the window?

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Yeah, there was a window to the back of the

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feed room that had several holes in it.

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I will skip it.

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I want to skip the state before second art. After

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you took the statement, now we're gonna get into that.

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Did you go back and looky to see with either

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Captain Chapman, I say the she seen the shelters, the

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dog kennels. Did you end or Captain Chapman or anybody

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else have an opportunity to.

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Go back and look I did. Okay, tell the.

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Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, why do you did that?

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And what were your observations?

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Please?

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Man.

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Well, it was such a large scene. I decided to

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canvas the outer part of the scene. And while I

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was doing that, and keep in mind it was it

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was late at night, it was dark, so we had flashlights.

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So while I was doing that, I noted some what

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appeared to me to be fresh shoe impressions in a

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sandy part of the shed on the left side of

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the hangar what we're describing as the hangar in between

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some tractors in the wall of the shed. There was

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ever rule fresh shoe impressions.

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And when you say fresh shoe impression kind of obvious.

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But what does that mean?

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It it means that they have been left fairly recently.

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What did they appear to you to be?

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They looked like a flat sandal flip flop type shoe,

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not particularly large in size. Yes, flat.

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Were they one set of footprints or two? Based on

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your observation.

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It was one set of prints that looked like it

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went down one direction and possibly came.

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Back, No doubt about that in your mind, no doubt

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about it. So if you watched me, now, what was

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it like one set of prints going this way?

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Yes?

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And then it looked like one set of prints coming

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back this way?

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Yes, because they did overlap each other a little bit.

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And uh, did you? And who was with you when

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you were looking at this?

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I was by myself initially, and then I found my supervisor,

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Captain Chapman, and and showed him what I found.

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M Where were y'all wa walking when you were looking

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at the prints?

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We'd made the decision at that point due to the

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type of incident that it was, and we didn't really

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know what we had yet to follow the footprints and

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see if there was any other additional evidence and find

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out where that person may have been trying to go.

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So what we did as we stayed to the left

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side of the shoe prints, closest to the tractors and

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and followed the the prints down, noted that they stopped

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at the end of the building, turned around and came back.

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And I'm gonna show you what's entered the State's one

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ninety four. Is that what you're just referring to? No, okay,

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what does this depict.

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That depicts several what appeared to be brut bootprints on

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as well.

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Is this the same path y'all walked? Yes, okay, well

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let me show you Stage one ninety five. Do you

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recognize this?

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Yeah?

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Those are the the flat the flat n just the

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flat ones impressions.

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Promp shack tie this year we start them now. Please,

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we'll show what's mark State's twenty two. Do you recognize

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this and does it relate to your testimony?

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Yes? It does?

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You dont understan without objection? Okay, some admit it? Are we

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all object.

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Let me go back to what's just been entered to

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States twenty two. You said you recognize that what is

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that detection.

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That's in front of the hanger the building, so Maggie

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would be to the right, and the shoe impressions I'm

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referring to would be on.

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The left and getting a little closer to you on states.

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Yes, that's the left side of the hanger.

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Can you show in this picture the prints you were talking.

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About in the footprints?

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Yes?

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And then can you come down hangers to this permission?

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Her grief? These flat ones.

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Hard to see.

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There's a big flat.

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Ones, okay, and let me put the in states five

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two protecting.

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Yeah, these these flat impressions, these flat ones we'll see.

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Were those foot impressions you saw that, not the flat ones?

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Yes?

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Okay?

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Were there any other foot impressions beside the flat ones

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that you saw? No, okay, on evening of June seventh,

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early morning June eighth or twenty twenty one.

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That's right, you're positive, positively, I think that's offers.

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And again, when you and the captain walked, how far

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were you from the.

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Sandals a foot to the left.

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Don't take this any bad way, but did some of

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those other princevie yours are the captain's.

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First, you know, a possible Okah.

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Now you were a and and I'm gonna do this

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without putting it up. This is one of those pictures

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that we've uncovered, but I'm gonna.

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Show you States seven. You're a lady, yes, sir? Do

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you know what women's shoes look like?

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Yes?

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Sir?

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Did you go and look at Maggie's shoes she was wearing?

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I did?

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Why'd you do that?

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To see if they matched the flat impressions I had seen?

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And were they similar to you?

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Very similarities?

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And States two hundred do you recognize those? Yes? And

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what are those?

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Those are the sandals Ms. Murdle had on?

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And did they f appear to be similar to the

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footprints you saw?

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Yes, fairy.

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Now did Mr Harputin or one of the investigators content

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you about these footprints?

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He did? Where was that a few weeks ago?

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And did they send you a picture.

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Of they did?

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Okay?

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Was the pictures we just put up?

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It was?

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And did you tell them that?

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Well?

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What did you tell them when they sent you down.

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That those were not my impressions?

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That those weren't you of impressions? In correct, volunteer and

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talk to him.

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I did sent you a picture of the shoes yep,

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and you told him those weren't mine.

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Correct.

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Alright, let's get back to uh finch he said, uh.

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On the defendant, Richard Alexander Murdall. The defendant had said,

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introduced you to who before you started the interview?

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Danny Henderson said he was his personal attorney.

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His personal attorney.

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Yes.

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Did he want his attorney in the car with you?

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He did?

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Okay?

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And uh I believe he said it, rad Yes, sir, okay.

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So what did y'all do to get out of the elements?

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We sat inside Asian Owens with sled inside his vehicle, and.

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Please tell the lady and gentlemen this year specifically where

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everybody was sitting.

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Asian Owen was in the driver's seat, Alec Murdall was

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in the front passenger's seat. I sat directly behind him,

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and then mister Henderson sat to my left.

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Please listen to me. M first time was that the

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first time you met alex Murdall?

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It was did he appear to you to be under

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the influence of alcohol, drugs, or any other intoxicant.

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When you saw him?

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He did not?

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Did he appear to you to understand your questions? And

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s uh?

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Special Agent David Owen's questions when y'all were talking to.

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Him, he did.

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Were his.

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Answers to either you or Agent Owens timely?

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Yes?

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Were they subject matter appropriate?

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Yes? It were.

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Did you have any trouble understanding the defendant when you

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were talking to him?

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I did not.

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Did he appear to have any trouble understanding you and

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responding to your questions?

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He did not. He may have asked twice to repeat

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a question, but he was understanding what was being discussed.

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And on the nine one one tape, how long had

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Alex Murdoff told the nine to one operator had been

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to see Maggie Murdoff.

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He's estimated one and a half to two hours to.

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Two hours one and a half to and on this

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take your interview? What had he said about singing Maggie?

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Who was the last time he had seen Maggie Maryland?

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Hm? Did she about two hours?

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Did he say he took a nap?

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He took a nap.

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Did he say where he went after that?

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To check on his uh mother with Alzheimer's in Hampton? Okay?

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Did you find that un youth?

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I did?

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Wow?

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Just the time of night? Whow with her h U

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being Alzheimer's patient. They tend to be worse at night,

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so I seemed it was strange to go visit.

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In your interview.

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In Agent Owen's interview, did uh the defendant Alex Murdall

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tell you he tried to turn Paul over?

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He did?

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And did he say whether or not he had tried

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to check Paul's polps.

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And or Maggie's mourks?

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He stated he tried to check both.

496
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.640
What what did mister Murdoff out the defeated that at

497
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.880
Murdall said about the phone, if anything that was in

498
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:12.599
Paul's possession.

499
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.599
He stated his phone popped out of his pocket when

500
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.279
when he tried to check his pulse.

501
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:22.279
Did he try to turn him over?

502
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:25.440
That's what he said.

503
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:27.920
I got a transcript here, But at the end of

504
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.000
the media.

505
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.680
Toward the end of the interview, did mister Murdoff say

506
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:34.759
again he tried to.

507
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.880
Turn over his son Paul Murdall?

508
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:38.640
He did?

509
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:45.279
Did he tried to check him?

510
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:46.519
That's what he said.

511
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.480
And I know I asked you at first, but I

512
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:56.160
may not have done it too eloquently.

513
00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:59.839
Did he first tell you he tried to turn him

514
00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:00.319
up her?

515
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.680
Yes, he did, and I figured it out, Yes, and

516
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:06.000
his cell phone popped.

517
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:06.799
Out of his park pocket.

518
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:12.640
That's correct, and and and everybody heard it, but then

519
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.720
something with it, thinking maybe, then I put it back

520
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:16.880
down really quickly.

521
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.119
Then I went and it's you can't really understand the

522
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:24.079
rest of 'em. Yes, m m oh, have you ever

523
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:25.480
moved dead weight?

524
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:26.480
I have?

525
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.720
And before I get to it, the de t defended

526
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.599
everything he'd been down to the kennels that night in

527
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:40.880
this interview. No, after snap, where'd you say you went?

528
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.519
Went to check on his mother in Hampton?

529
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.720
The court's permission? I and liked her. Detective come down,

530
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.160
please judge, Yes.

531
00:29:58.880 --> 00:29:59.160
To tech.

532
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:00.640
Now I'm gonna get well you he won't block and

533
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:02.000
I won't block her.

534
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:05.319
Did he shot?

535
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:08.279
I gonna get backed over here?

536
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:16.160
Yeah.

537
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.759
Did the defendant tell you he tried to get the

538
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:22.720
poets of.

539
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:23.640
His son pal Murner?

540
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:24.640
He did.

541
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.599
Did he tell you where he tried to get the poles?

542
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.400
He didn't? Not, just that he tried to turn him?

543
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.759
Say that last he tried to turn him?

544
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.319
And he told you he tried to turn him more

545
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:36.720
than once?

546
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:37.039
Did he?

547
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:37.480
Yes?

548
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:38.480
He did?

549
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:40.119
How many time?

550
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.920
Did he tell you tried to turn him?

551
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:43.839
Tw uh twice?

552
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.640
Think you've testified, you've tried to live dead wife an

553
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:56.880
I have? Can you describe what's around pal.

554
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:58.960
Murner blood and brain matter?

555
00:30:59.240 --> 00:30:59.559
Okay?

556
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.319
And if you were to wear.

557
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.680
His hands underneath his body.

558
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:08.920
If you were to check the pulse of his hands,

559
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:09.680
how would you do it?

560
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.240
You would have to try to lift him up and

561
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.079
get his arms out from under him underneath correct?

562
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:17.079
Enrolling?

563
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:18.000
Correct?

564
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.319
By the way, where's his fun.

565
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:22.960
Slaying on the back side of his shorts right there?

566
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.960
Popped down? He said?

567
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:25.480
Yes?

568
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.799
Is that his brain? That is this tarpoutin said, blown

569
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:39.079
out of his head? Correct? If you tried to.

570
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:42.599
Take the take the pulse at the neck, how would

571
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:42.960
you do it?

572
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.240
You would have to try to lift his shoulder to

573
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.519
get access his neck.

574
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.720
This way correct, Whether you're this way?

575
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:54.079
Aren't this way?

576
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:54.960
Well? Correct?

577
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.799
He's the underneath up the head? Is that right?

578
00:31:59.079 --> 00:31:59.400
Yes?

579
00:31:59.680 --> 00:31:59.960
Does that?

580
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:01.400
Yes?

581
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.759
I'm sorry you have to go.

582
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:17.119
Yeah, when you saw Alex Murdall when you first came

583
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.839
up to you, I'm not fred.

584
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.079
As she got to sit down at after a time.

585
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:23.519
Why why are you questions or not?

586
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:23.920
That chair?

587
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:24.160
Well?

588
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.839
I make sure we're something yet, Jose, apologize that question?

589
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.839
I s I said, you just go back and sit down.

590
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:33.519
Thank you.

591
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:40.480
When you.

592
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.359
First saw Alex murdall.

593
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.200
You have to call on.

594
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:55.400
Did you observed, why just to make mental notes what

595
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.319
he was wearing and how he looked. What were your

596
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.119
matal that he was que.

597
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:01.480
Say that again?

598
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.640
So he was clean.

599
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:11.319
When you were in the car with it, you were

600
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:20.440
behind him, I was. Did you observe his hands I did.

601
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.279
Did you see his arms?

602
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:22.799
I did?

603
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.359
And when you were out on the side of the

604
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.000
road beforehand, did you see his shirt?

605
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:27.519
I did?

606
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:28.240
His pants?

607
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:29.759
Yes, his shoes yes.

608
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.920
Now when you were at the scene, when you first

609
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.119
got there, did you see any footprints in the book?

610
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:39.799
No?

611
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:42.400
Did you see the neat prints in the book?

612
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:42.799
No?

613
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:49.880
Anywhere around about?

614
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:50.640
No?

615
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:03.319
Did you look at his shoes?

616
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:03.759
I did?

617
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.039
Okay, what kind of shoe? How much mass Murdof's shoes?

618
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:06.759
What kind of shoes were?

619
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.719
They were like an athletic tennis shoe.

620
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:11.800
Did you see anything that appeared to be blood on

621
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:12.400
his shoe?

622
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:12.960
I did not.

623
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.360
I want you to look at the lazies, gentlemen, this shirt.

624
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.320
Did you see what appeared to be blood on Alex Murdolf's.

625
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:23.800
Hands, I did not?

626
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:24.960
On his arms?

627
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:29.280
No, on his shirt, none, on his shorts, No, on

628
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:30.079
his shoes?

629
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:30.559
I did not.

630
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.800
How long was this after the nine one one cough?

631
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:37.480
Two hours? Thir two to three hours?

632
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:41.360
All this fresh in is mine?

633
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:41.719
Yes?

634
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.119
How would you describe the defendant's hands when you saw

635
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:48.199
when you were interviewing you?

636
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:49.400
How would you describe his hands?

637
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.280
They were clean? Clean?

638
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:52.719
How would you describe his arms?

639
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:53.559
They were clean?

640
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:56.559
How would you describe his t shirt clean? How would

641
00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:01.760
you describe his shorts clean? How would you describe his shoes?

642
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:02.800
They were clean?

643
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.320
Now, if you just listen to my questions, Uncle Lee,

644
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.840
just just want to ask you one final question. Is

645
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:13.119
the individual in this courtroom.

646
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:18.320
Who told you he tried to take the pulse of

647
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:19.679
Maggie and Paul?

648
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.000
Is the individual in this courtroom he told you he

649
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.559
tried to turn Paul over, told you that once twice.

650
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.440
Is the individual in this courtroom that you took that

651
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:36.719
statement from that we saw on this video in this courtroom?

652
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:40.840
And is the individual you described as clean from head

653
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:42.519
to toe in this courtroom?

654
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:43.159
Yes, he is.

655
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.039
Please point him out for the jury.

656
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.199
He's sitting at the defense table wearing a grayish brown

657
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:50.440
jacket and a white shirt.

658
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.400
John and we'd like to rector to reflect that she

659
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.880
has pointed out the defendant, Richard Alexander murdauca and does

660
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.480
thank youness on it.

661
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:05.679
Now, this guy, he is the real life version of Mattlock, right,

662
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:11.960
just phenomenal job here of hammering down really the one

663
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.960
fact he wanted to display in all of this questioning,

664
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:22.000
and that was how clean Murdall was. Look, y'all, you

665
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.840
got two dead bodies, you got brain matter all over

666
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:31.559
the place, ceilings, walls, floor, you got blood everywhere. And

667
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.280
if you're Alex Murdall, you've made this claim that you

668
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.960
turned your dead son over or attempted to turn him over,

669
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.239
and that's how his cell phone fell out of his

670
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.840
pocket and all those sorts of things, which, if you'll remember,

671
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.079
Matter did do a great job of describing how hard

672
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:52.639
it would be to turn someone over that is deceased.

673
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.599
He referred to it as dead weight. But he also

674
00:36:56.119 --> 00:37:00.760
made that comment. His shoes are clean, hands are clean,

675
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:06.400
his shirt is clean, No blood anywhere on him, and y'all,

676
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:12.079
that's not only strange, it's impossible, in my view. So

677
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.880
the defense they got their work cut out for him,

678
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:21.519
and here they are trying to unravel the prosecution's examination

679
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:23.119
checked across.

680
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.519
Good morning, Good morning. My name is Jim Griffin.

681
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:28.239
Land.

682
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.559
My name is Jim Griffin. Never the Ellen Murdoch. You

683
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:41.559
had testified on direct examination a moment ago that that

684
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.159
it was you believe someone unusual for mister Murdoch to

685
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:51.360
go visit his mother as late as uh nine oh

686
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.960
six on a Monday evening. You're called testifying.

687
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:55.639
I do.

688
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.320
And and you were sitting in the car when he

689
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.400
was being interviewed, and and you recall him saying that

690
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:07.079
his father, mister Randolph Murdott, had just been put in

691
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.960
the hospital that very day. That's correct, and that it

692
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:16.880
was an unusual day because mister Randolph Murdoch was not

693
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:21.559
with Mss Libby Randolph, and she gets anxious when that occurs.

694
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.800
You remember that, I remember him saying something along those lines.

695
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:30.880
And in that context, it's you don't criticize a son

696
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.960
who goes to visit his mother who has early onset

697
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:40.920
dementia on the very day, in the afternoon that the

698
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.079
father is admitted to the hospital. You're not here to

699
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:45.000
criticize him.

700
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:45.320
For that, are you.

701
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:45.599
No.

702
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.920
I didn't criticize I just made a mental note that

703
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:48.920
that was interesting.

704
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.159
And and you.

705
00:38:56.079 --> 00:39:00.840
You walked the crun scene when you arrived, and you

706
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.000
made some mental notes and observations that you subsequently recorded

707
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:06.519
in a report. Did you not?

708
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:07.039
I did.

709
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.280
And one of the things that you mentally noted and

710
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:16.159
then subsequently reported was that there was a tremendous amount

711
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.199
of blood spattered in the feed room area and around where.

712
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.199
Paul was murdered.

713
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:23.159
Is that correct?

714
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:23.760
That's correct?

715
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.800
And there was brain matter and organic matter all about

716
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.360
the place where Paul was murdered.

717
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:33.639
Correct, that's correct.

718
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.960
And I think you even described that there was matter

719
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.239
that blood that went up to the ceiling and through

720
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.719
the door and spatter everywhere.

721
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:46.119
Right, it's correct.

722
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.719
And you also told the jury that Alec was clean

723
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.679
and you referred to his shirt was.

724
00:39:54.719 --> 00:40:00.079
Clean, correct, correct, his shorts were clean, correct, correct, And

725
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.599
you have mister Matters shorts, shirts, shoes were clean.

726
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:04.840
Correct, that's correct.

727
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:05.559
He was clean.

728
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:06.280
Correct.

729
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.440
To my visual eye, he was clean, yes, And.

730
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.400
To your visual eye it did not look like he

731
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:16.280
had just blown his son's head off and the confines

732
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.639
of a feed room were splatters everywhere.

733
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:20.119
Didn't that correct?

734
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:21.119
I didn't say that.

735
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.119
Well, let me ask you in your.

736
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:26.000
Mind's eye that night on June seventh, did he look

737
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.360
like someone had just blown his son's head off? Spatter

738
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:30.119
going everywhere?

739
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.679
Again, I can't say that for sure. A lot of

740
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:39.360
things would come into play to affect that distance. It's

741
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:39.920
one of them.

742
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:43.119
Well, certainly, if he appeared that way on the night

743
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.679
of June the seventh, you had sworn law enforcement officer,

744
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.800
you would have initiated process to take him into custody.

745
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:51.760
I suspect, wouldn't you.

746
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:54.960
No, that was not my role that evening. I was

747
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:55.679
just assisting.

748
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.760
Well, one of the things you did that evening, Miss Rutland,

749
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:01.519
was you obtained a search warrant?

750
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:01.840
Did you not?

751
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:02.519
I did?

752
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:04.239
And that was your first.

753
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:10.079
Official duty in connection with this double homicide investigation.

754
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:12.079
Right, That's correct, And.

755
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.159
I'm gonna show you Exhibit three, your honor. I've shared

756
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.880
it with mister Matters during the bread and absoluteness to

757
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:23.400
identify it. You recognize the Exhibit three I do.

758
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:25.719
This is the search warrant I got that night.

759
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.760
You're on we'd move Exhibit three in the evidence this time,

760
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:36.199
I believe, without objection, no objection, sending it in habit.

761
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:46.199
So tellijury, please, Bob Exhibit three is well, first, let's

762
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:48.440
just talk about a search warrant. What is a search warrant?

763
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:53.360
It grants us the right to search a certain item

764
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:55.480
that may be potential evidence in a case.

765
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.119
And this search warrant was for what proper.

766
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.559
Forty one Mozelle Road and Islington, County of Caliton, State

767
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:05.400
of South Carolina.

768
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.119
And it and it covers the old roughly seventeen hundred

769
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.159
acre for the whole property, does it not?

770
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:13.280
That is correct?

771
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:19.320
And it covers the house, the the residents where you

772
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:23.159
went into the four yer right, correct, It covers all

773
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.159
the outbuildings correct, correct, And it.

774
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:32.119
Covers and it gives you the right to seize any

775
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.400
type of evidence. Correct, that is correct.

776
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.000
I'm'a see if I can get mister Elmore to work,

777
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:52.239
then you turn it on, please, And I've got to

778
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:58.719
turn sun winnings alright, ship we could bring that ducket

779
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.679
is there like internals? That's much better? And can we

780
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:08.639
assume it? All?

781
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:08.880
Right?

782
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:15.960
Okay? Got it? So? And this is the search mark, right,

783
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.079
yes it is. And it says description of premises to

784
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.920
be searched. And here it's forty one forty seven Moselle

785
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.639
Rhode Islington. And then there's a pen numbers what's the

786
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:28.239
PIN number.

787
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:32.280
That's a property identification number that's assigned to every parcels

788
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.079
of real property within the county. It's set by the

789
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:35.880
tax office.

790
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:41.639
And it says the property to be searched or any residences, vehicles,

791
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:44.239
out buildings, kennels or sheds.

792
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:45.519
Right, that is correct.

793
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:51.800
And then it says the description of the property to

794
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.559
search and to be seized, and that's under the description

795
00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:00.239
of property rank correct. And you prepared this document for

796
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:01.519
the magistrates to sign.

797
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:02.000
I did.

798
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:04.079
And here.

799
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.440
Says evidence that may be used or taken during the

800
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.039
commission of a crime of homicide to include, but not

801
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:19.880
limited any item tool, clothing, gloves, masks, hats, hoodies, shoes, boots, jewelry, firearms, ammunition, shellcasing,

802
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:28.400
gunshot residue, weapons, identification documents, any paperwork, et cetera. It

803
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.960
says any evidence inside vehicles, building property, any even is

804
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:36.599
found on in outbuildings or sheds, any tire, shoe impressions,

805
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.599
any and all of DNA, to include, but not limited to, fingerprints,

806
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:46.760
touch DNA, et cetera. Any drugs, narcotics, drugs, paraphernalia, any

807
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.079
and all selling your phones, phone records to include incoming

808
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:54.039
outcoming calls, text messages, voice messages, et cetera. And then

809
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:58.360
goes on to talk about photographs and whatnot. It's all encompassing,

810
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.760
isn't it. It is? And this is basically as broad

811
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.880
as a search warrant that you draft because it's a

812
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:09.320
homicide investigation and it gives you carte blanche on the

813
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:10.679
property of the crime scene.

814
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:11.719
Right, That's correct.

815
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.199
And with the search warrant, you had to the authority

816
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:18.519
to go in the house and look for unclean, dirty clothes.

817
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:18.920
Did you not?

818
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.599
That was I wasn't in that capacity that evening I

819
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:23.360
was assisting.

820
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.039
Well, the search warrant provided that authority to law enforcements.

821
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:31.400
Did not It would have, yes, And you mentioned that you.

822
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:36.760
Got into the law enforcement business because you're CSI TV

823
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:38.440
junkie of swords.

824
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:40.639
Did I understand you to say that?

825
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:41.400
Yeah?

826
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:45.719
I was okay. And and you've seen CSI shows where

827
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.559
they go and they look in the drains of showers

828
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:54.000
of sinks and to see if blood residue had been

829
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:55.480
recently flushed through there.

830
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:56.880
That's possible, is it not?

831
00:45:58.119 --> 00:45:59.760
It could be And that's just not on.

832
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:05.800
T I mean that's that's skills that Sleds Crime team

833
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:08.519
has available to them. Correct.

834
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:11.880
I don't know what they have available, but that would

835
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.519
be a crime scene unit question the.

836
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:26.199
And and actually there were the cleaning clothes that Alec

837
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.880
Murdoch was wearing that night. They were seas were they not?

838
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:29.599
Yes?

839
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:30.639
Okay?

840
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.599
And the clean shoes were seized correct?

841
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:34.360
Yes?

842
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.480
And the clean shirt was seized, was it not?

843
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:39.159
Yes?

844
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.679
It was? And but that you were in the house

845
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.719
when that happened, but you didn't collect the clothes.

846
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:48.639
Right, I did not collect anything. I stood by in

847
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:49.079
the foyer.

848
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:51.440
And who did the collection?

849
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:53.920
Do you recall, special Agent Owen?

850
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:57.639
And when was he assisted by anybody?

851
00:46:58.280 --> 00:46:59.320
I was just standing by.

852
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:01.000
Uh.

853
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:02.639
They went to a back bedroom and I was in

854
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:04.760
the foyer area. It was like an open floor plan.

855
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.679
And and do you recall how that.

856
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.280
You recall what mister Owen Detective Owen, special Agent Owen

857
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:23.559
apologize pet Owen? Uh? Special Agent Owen? Did uh you uh?

858
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:25.880
Uh observe what he collected the clothes in?

859
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.320
I did not did it?

860
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.239
W would do he collect all the clothes and put

861
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.159
him in one paperback?

862
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:34.039
I don't recall.

863
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.960
Now the jury heard.

864
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:54.039
The complete video audio of the interview with Alec Murdoch

865
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:59.079
on the evening of early morning hours of June the eighth.

866
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.039
And yet you were asked to repeat some of the

867
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.719
things that he said. And and I want I want to,

868
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.440
I mean, the tape speaks for herself. I don't want

869
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:15.719
anyone to mis construe your testimony. So I just want

870
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.760
to ask you, are you saying that mister Murdoch tried

871
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.360
to turn his son over two times on that tape,

872
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.320
or that on two occasions he described one incident that

873
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:28.360
he tried to turn.

874
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.519
His son over, the latter that he explained twice two

875
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:32.239
different times.

876
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:38.159
So so in answer to your questions, if anyone would.

877
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.159
Walked away thinking that that Alan Murdoch told you that

878
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.719
he tried to turn him over two times, that would

879
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.440
just be mistaken. And we've now clarified it right.

880
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:54.559
Correct now, you never asked.

881
00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.880
Or special Agent Owen never asked mister Murdoch how he

882
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:02.320
tried to turn his son over.

883
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.519
Correct, That's what correct.

884
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:10.719
And so see mister Matters crawling around on the floor

885
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:16.280
down here as trying to reenact something. But that night

886
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.440
he never was asked specifically, what did you do to

887
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:21.679
try to turn your son.

888
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:26.280
Over correct, that's correct. We did not ask now, and

889
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:27.239
that night he was.

890
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:31.599
Not asked specifically how the phone popped out of his

891
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.400
pocket while you were trying to turn him over correct?

892
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:35.199
Correct?

893
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:39.000
And that night he was not asked specifically how far

894
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:44.320
were you able to move Paul, if at all, when

895
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:50.679
you tried to flip him over correct correct? And in fact,

896
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.519
did he really even say that I was trying to

897
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:56.199
flipping over to check his pulse.

898
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.519
I'd have to check the transcript. But if he said

899
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:03.320
something along those lines, what did he tell.

900
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:07.400
You where he tried to check Paul's pulse? He did not,

901
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:15.119
So we don't know from your interview or Special Agent

902
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:16.400
Owen's interview.

903
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.000
How he tried to turn him over, how the phone

904
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.079
popped out, at least how Alix describes it, because he

905
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:27.920
wasn't asked. And where on Paul's body he attempted to

906
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:29.960
check his pulse? Right?

907
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:30.559
Correct?

908
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:52.079
And you were asked questions about whether there were knee

909
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:58.280
prints and foot prints by Paul's body next to his body.

910
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:00.679
Right, yeah, someone's asked that.

911
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:07.239
And and did you do such a forensic analysis investigation

912
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.599
to see if there are bootprints or footprints around Paul's body.

913
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.880
I looked with my eyes.

914
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:16.280
And were you aware that before you got there?

915
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:16.880
Well?

916
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:18.199
Let me what time did you get there?

917
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:20.199
Can I check my notes?

918
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:20.519
Sure?

919
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:28.039
Okay, you can take this down through mister Helmut.

920
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.119
I think cat for them.

921
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.119
Twelve twenty two am.

922
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.679
I was on scene, okay, twelve twenty two am, and

923
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.920
and Paul's body and maggie bodies were covered up with

924
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.360
a sheep but still present. Correct?

925
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:54.920
Correct?

926
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.079
So when you you.

927
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.079
Were looking at Paul's body, just observing whether their footprints

928
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:09.559
near him, you couldn't see right next to his body

929
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:10.400
because of the sheet?

930
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:10.800
Could you?

931
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:13.639
The sheet was mostly on his body, not on the

932
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.400
cement on the ground next to the body.

933
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:18.920
Was it a fitted sheet?

934
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:21.639
No, but it wasn't a queen sheet either?

935
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:28.440
Okay, then, curious seen photos of the sheet. Were you

936
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:40.199
aware that Captain Chapman and others went around Paul's body

937
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.079
and lifted the sheet up to see if there was

938
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:44.119
a gun underneath him?

939
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:47.320
Not at the time I was at the scene, though,

940
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:48.880
Well take it.

941
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:52.719
You did not observe their footprints anywhere in the area either, then, right?

942
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:54.239
Not that I recall?

943
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:01.920
And you said that.

944
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:04.840
Alex's pants were clean.

945
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:05.800
I remember saying that.

946
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.360
I remember saying that what color pants did he have on? Khaki?

947
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:15.239
All right? And are you aware of any forensic testing

948
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.400
that had been done to the pants to see whether

949
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:19.360
there was blood.

950
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:25.599
On the pants that night? Subsequently, No, there was nothing

951
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:26.920
done that night forensically.

952
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:29.519
That night, nothing was done forensically.

953
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:33.400
Not before I interviewed him, now right, You just.

954
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:37.000
Did not observe any blood on his pants or in

955
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:37.679
his pocket.

956
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:40.800
No, just simply speaking with him like this, looking him

957
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:42.679
up and down, I did not see any blood on him.

958
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:51.239
And he didn't look like someone who had just been

959
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:55.719
within feet of blowing Paul's head off.

960
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:59.000
Right again, I can't say that. There's so many different

961
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.159
factors that you have to take you into account.

962
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:21.280
Now, you did a lot more, I believe that night

963
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:23.239
after you left.

964
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:30.039
Well, let's go back. When you got to the scene,

965
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:30.920
you partnered up with.

966
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.000
Agan Ohen correct, that is correct?

967
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:40.400
And and and you saw inside the shed, and you

968
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.239
observe there was wadding on the floor near his feet,

969
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.119
Paul's feet, And we say wadding.

970
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:50.360
What do you talk about the internal components of a

971
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:51.119
shotgun shell?

972
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.440
And then you saw in the rear window of the

973
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:56.800
shed there were several holes.

974
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:58.199
Right, that's correct.

975
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:03.519
And you describing your report that you saw large amounts

976
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:06.920
of blood spatter and brain skull matter were on the

977
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.559
door to the sheadow items within the storage building.

978
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:12.119
You saw that, right, that's correct.

979
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:22.360
And then you went and examined Maggie this body, did

980
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:22.599
you not?

981
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.119
I wouldn't say examined. I would just say I looked.

982
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.440
At her and well, one of the things that you

983
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:41.480
noticed when you were looking at Maggie's body, I believe

984
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.639
you said you noticed there are a few clumps.

985
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.000
Of her hair and a broken earring were located near

986
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:51.599
a UTV tire.

987
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:52.840
Right, that is correct?

988
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:54.280
And what's UTV tire?

989
00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.880
I'm sorry, what do you mean by UTV.

990
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.920
All terrain vehicle click? A four wheeler side by side?

991
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:10.480
You mentioned that that you told investigators that were for

992
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:15.559
me and mister Hart Poutley, and that that the boot

993
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.239
prints were not yours in these photos.

994
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:19.400
Right, that is correct.

995
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.360
But now you told the jury that the boot prints

996
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:24.239
are yours.

997
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:26.719
That's incorrect. Those are not my boot prints.

998
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.159
Whose bootprints are I don't know?

999
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:34.880
Oh okay, that's why I get to do this.

1000
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:40.119
So jection these comments. Here's let's both questions.

1001
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:46.079
So you don't know whose bootprints those are. No. Now,

1002
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:48.000
one thing about the search warrant that I asked you

1003
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:54.159
about earlier, it was do you have it up there?

1004
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:55.920
I couldn't remember I gave it back to.

1005
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:56.800
You or no, I don't think you did.

1006
00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:01.320
It was ever executed?

1007
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:01.960
Was it?

1008
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:11.239
I handed this off to SLED agents once I was

1009
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:11.840
at the scene?

1010
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:17.360
Thank you? You said you handed the search warn't off

1011
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.519
the SLED agency. I did, But to your knowledge, was

1012
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:22.400
it ever executed?

1013
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:23.800
Yes?

1014
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.239
It was? Oh you think it was executing?

1015
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:26.880
It was?

1016
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:29.880
And why do you say that?

1017
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:33.159
Because the SLED crime scene unit I was present while

1018
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:35.719
they were processing the scene and executing the search warrant.

1019
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:40.039
And so there are two ways that law enforcement can

1020
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.800
get access to property. One is the search warrant and

1021
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.159
one's by consent. Isn't that right?

1022
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:45.960
That's correct?

1023
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:51.159
Now? Are you aware that mister Murdock gave SLED Colliden

1024
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:58.079
County any law enforcement FBI carte blanche consent to search

1025
00:57:58.159 --> 00:57:58.719
his property?

1026
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.239
That wasn't really to me. I was asked tasked with

1027
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.679
getting a search warrant, so I did, okay.

1028
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:09.719
And once a search warrant it's executed, a return is

1029
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.079
filed with the matter who issued it?

1030
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:13.320
Right, that's correct?

1031
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.800
And you never filed return on that search warrant?

1032
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:21.760
Right, do you have it?

1033
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.719
Like I said, it was given to sled so so we'll.

1034
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:29.559
Find out more about that. But to your knowledge, I mean,

1035
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:30.960
you didn't file a return, That's all you.

1036
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.159
Can say, right, I don't recall. I have to check

1037
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:35.679
my notes.

1038
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:41.880
You heard on the tape. You heard mister Murdock say

1039
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:48.039
you can you can do anything looking for anything. Do

1040
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:51.320
you remember him just giving consent to whatever you.

1041
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:55.000
Need as far as speaking with him, Yes, I remember

1042
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:55.519
him saying that.

1043
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:04.320
And and you walked back through the crime scene one

1044
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:07.559
last time before you cleared the area on the morning.

1045
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:07.719
Of the eighth.

1046
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:08.280
Is that right?

1047
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:13.880
You could say that we were I mean we were

1048
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.199
walking around the whole night and staying out of the

1049
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:17.360
way of the crime scene unit.

1050
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:19.039
Was it?

1051
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:21.239
Were you there after the crimson unit left?

1052
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.159
No, I was not. They were still processing when I left.

1053
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:32.519
Do you know whether or not the crime scene unit

1054
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:38.400
left shotgun pellets I have behind the in the fever.

1055
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:40.039
I have no knowledge of any of that.

1056
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.920
Twenty thirty even more shotgun pellets left behind the feeding

1057
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:46.920
Were you aware of that?

1058
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.960
That you end up actually objection, it's the same.

1059
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:08.360
On Thursday June tent two days, three days. Thursday June

1060
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:15.239
of the tent, you went with SLED, A number of

1061
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:21.320
SLED agents in law enforcement agents went to meet with

1062
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:28.960
mister Murdoch, Miss Murdoch's brothers Randy and John Marmon, mister

1063
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:33.519
Murdoch's son, and they all agreed to to meet and

1064
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:38.199
you know, found a location in my outside of Barnbull.

1065
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:39.280
I believe you remember doing that.

1066
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.079
I do, I remember doing that, and that was.

1067
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.320
During that I I believe you.

1068
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:54.679
And then a SLED agent interviewed mister Randy Murdock.

1069
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:56.840
Correct, that's correct, and.

1070
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.679
Mister Randy Murdoch agreed to allow.

1071
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:03.360
To download of his cell phone.

1072
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.800
Correct, that's correct, and gave consent, right he did.

1073
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:12.920
And mister Alec Murdoch, to your knowledge, gave consents to download.

1074
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:15.400
His cell phone right to my knowledgies.

1075
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:18.760
And mister John Martin Murdock did the same, correct, correct,

1076
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:20.559
And mister Buster Murdoch did the same.

1077
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:21.920
Correct he did, And.

1078
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.559
Everyone gave a voluntary interview that day to your knowledge,

1079
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:37.519
right they did. And then a little bit later on

1080
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:43.000
the Wednesday, June sixteenth, you assisted sled when they went

1081
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:49.480
out to the Moseille property and went diving searching for Well,

1082
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.599
let me ask you when you assisted sled dive team.

1083
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:58.480
Well did you assist sled dive team on June sixteenth,

1084
01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:03.800
twenty twenty one, and with a search the Moseille property

1085
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:08.639
focusing on waterways, ponds of Salcahatchie River access points for

1086
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:10.519
evidence from the crime?

1087
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:12.199
Right, that's correct?

1088
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:16.559
Were you looking for the firearms that were used the

1089
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:17.360
murder Maggie and.

1090
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.400
Paul, We were looking for anything that could have been

1091
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:21.840
linked to their murders.

1092
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.079
And then you utilize ATVs and canvas the entire seventeen

1093
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:28.719
hundred acres plant.

1094
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:29.280
I did.

1095
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:31.800
That was my assignment that day, and.

1096
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.599
Once again that was done with consent by mister murder.

1097
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:36.039
Right, that is correct.

1098
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.880
And then went back the next day and dove another

1099
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:46.719
pond on the property. You remember doing that.

1100
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:49.719
I didn't dive, but I was standing by you.

1101
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:53.320
You were there, yes, and again that was with consent, right, correct?

1102
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.639
And then you were given consent and you did a

1103
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:03.960
search of a F two fifty pickup that Paul normally drove.

1104
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:05.519
Right, that is correct.

1105
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:11.199
And while you were there, mister Davis shows up and

1106
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:15.440
mister Davis, you understood to be the caretaker for the.

1107
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:19.039
Dogs, right, Yes, that's what he explained. His job title

1108
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:20.239
was at Mozelle.

1109
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.599
And that did you observe him doing his work that day?

1110
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:25.480
I did?

1111
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:29.039
Did you watch him wash down the dog runs?

1112
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:37.320
I don't remember that part, but you were.

1113
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:41.119
Able to look at his tire marks and making assessment

1114
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.519
as to whether they appeared to Max the tire marks

1115
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:48.159
that were seen under the shed portion next to the

1116
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:50.079
old airplane anger.

1117
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.079
Right, that's correct. He parks under the canopy next to

1118
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:53.719
the UTV.

1119
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:11.280
And then on Friday, June the eighteenth, you had a

1120
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:16.360
meeting and you looked at some photos I believe crime

1121
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.400
scene photos and autopsy photos that sled correct, I did.

1122
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.760
And you made a metal note and you put it

1123
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:24.760
in your record that you noticed a few strands of

1124
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.360
what appeared to be brown hair, unable to determine the

1125
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:31.000
link from the photo in Maggie's hands and fingers, right,

1126
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.480
that is correct, and you thought that that possibly was

1127
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:38.800
indication of a struggle that Maggie had grabbed someone had

1128
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:39.960
their hair in her hands.

1129
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:40.159
Right.

1130
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:44.239
I didn't say that in my report, now, so why

1131
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:46.920
did you note it in your report because it was

1132
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:47.679
an observation.

1133
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:52.719
Well, you also noticed in your report that there were

1134
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:55.079
some injuries would appear to be to Paul's face, that

1135
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:59.280
like he had been some type of struggle, right.

1136
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:03.079
I noted what to me could have been scratches or

1137
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:04.159
a bruise on his cheek.

1138
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:09.800
And we heard some.

1139
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:18.079
Testimony yesterday about a bolo on the lookout for a

1140
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:22.360
white pickup that Paul normally drives. I mean that pickup

1141
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:23.199
was found the next.

1142
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:25.760
Morning, correctly, that's correct. It was broken down.

1143
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:31.800
Yeah, and you learned through your investigation that Paul had

1144
01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:34.760
switched vehicles with his uncle, John Marvin, and John Marvin

1145
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:37.320
was rushing to Moselle when he got the phone call

1146
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:39.360
in Paul's truck and it broke down the side of

1147
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:39.599
the road.

1148
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.599
Yeah, that's correct, it was mister. I believe mister Randolph

1149
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:44.119
struggled to get in and out of the truck.

1150
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:52.199
Did collage.

1151
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:57.159
The County Sheriff's office put out a statement to the press.

1152
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.159
On the morning of June the eighth that there's no

1153
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:01.519
need to public to be alarm.

1154
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:05.480
I don't believe that came from our office. It did

1155
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:08.920
not come through CID for approval. I never seen that

1156
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:09.800
press release.

1157
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:25.599
So let was Alec Mardatt, your assistant, sled night of

1158
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:28.480
June the seventh morning, June the eighth with Alec.

1159
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:35.960
Mardat a suspect that night, everybody was a suspect, everybody?

1160
01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:41.000
Can you be more specific? Who else were suspects?

1161
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:44.280
Besides well, there was reasons we were asking certain questions.

1162
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.079
Who is best friend is? Who you know? Their their

1163
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.360
routine each day? There were so many different scenarios that

1164
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.280
could have been that night. So in my view, everybody

1165
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:57.440
was a suspect at that point, including al including Alec.

1166
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.519
Can you see that? Ms Rutherland? I can, yes, sir, Okay,

1167
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:07.639
well let's just stop right there. You see how far

1168
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:11.639
that sheet is on either side of Paul's body there.

1169
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.400
At this point in time? Yes, I see how it

1170
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:15.880
looks is Is.

1171
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.800
That how roughly how far it was across Paul's body

1172
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:19.480
when you got there?

1173
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:22.039
No, because I could still I could see the top

1174
01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:22.559
of his head.

1175
01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:28.639
I love talking about, uh, the the width of his body?

1176
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:30.599
Was it that far across?

1177
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:33.440
I don't recall how it was cause I could s

1178
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:35.840
I could see parts of his body, but it was

1179
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:36.480
still on him.

1180
01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:38.480
Okay, did you.

1181
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:43.000
Notice any foot thrips of the agent there inside the count.

1182
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:44.920
No.

1183
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.920
I believe he's standing on the in the food root

1184
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:49.280
in the feed room right.

1185
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:51.800
No, but.

1186
01:07:54.440 --> 01:08:00.159
It was starting to rain, was the ad?

1187
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:04.519
How far across the sheet was when you observed Paul's body?

1188
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:07.320
I don't remember, Like I said, when I got there,

1189
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:10.559
there was SLED agents as well as deputies standing around

1190
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:12.719
the scene, and I wasn't sure what had happened before

1191
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:14.960
I got there. I don't recall how the sheet was.

1192
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:18.880
What was the sheet on Paul's body the entire time

1193
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:20.319
you were walking the crump scene?

1194
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:24.079
No, Eventually it was removed when the crime scene unit

1195
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:26.880
was ready to process his body and.

1196
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:29.760
The uh.

1197
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:35.399
I just want to clear up when you said Alex

1198
01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:39.880
was wearing khakis. Were you referring to shorts or long pants?

1199
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:40.640
Shorts?

1200
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:42.279
Those are shorts he was wear?

1201
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:43.720
Yes?

1202
01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:45.920
Were those khakis are green?

1203
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:51.000
Khaki style? Green?

1204
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:55.199
Okay? All right, that's all you can take it. Then.

1205
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:57.720
That's all the questions we have on.

1206
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.840
Mr Griffin asked you about some things you did after

1207
01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:10.279
your interview the following days he did and you had

1208
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:12.640
mentioned a search warrant was executed.

1209
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.159
Were you working with SLED.

1210
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:20.119
After June A he's asked you about him and did

1211
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.880
you work with them in executing search warks. I did

1212
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:30.520
specifically on June nine, and you were who.

1213
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:34.720
Were you working with, specially agent Owen, And I think

1214
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:35.239
this gri did.

1215
01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:37.279
Miss Griffin asked you the the truck on the side

1216
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:39.359
of the road and went back to a brother, John Marvin.

1217
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:41.000
That's correct.

1218
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.079
So that was the white truck. Yeah, it was on

1219
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:46.000
the side of the road. Yes, and it belonged who

1220
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.119
did it belonged to John Marvin? Okay, and that was

1221
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:49.560
off the property of the celle.

1222
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:50.279
That's correct.

1223
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.479
So that's has nothing to do with this case as

1224
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:55.479
far as suspect than this killing does.

1225
01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:56.279
No, it did not.

1226
01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:59.760
You process to rule it out. Was that last thing

1227
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:01.239
we process and to rule it out.

1228
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:06.119
And he asked you about meeting with these folks and

1229
01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:08.399
then talking to you. You were working with Sled doing

1230
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.520
that work. I was Sled was investigating this case.

1231
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.800
Yes, m.

1232
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:23.399
Getting swaps, getting swabs from folks in general, getting swabs.

1233
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:25.119
I was present when swabs were taken.

1234
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:27.039
Yes, I'm not trying to say if you took them.

1235
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.279
I'm just following up on that's correct. Yeah, when you

1236
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.720
present when interviews were taken I was present?

1237
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:32.039
Yes?

1238
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:37.000
And who was leading those interviews?

1239
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:39.560
SLED? Who was in charge SLED?

1240
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.000
Were they investigating?

1241
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:42.119
They were investigating?

1242
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.279
Did you assist SLED with the initial timeline on phone calls?

1243
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:52.000
I did?

1244
01:10:58.119 --> 01:10:59.000
On June twelve?

1245
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:02.720
Did you assist and removing an internal computer black box

1246
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:03.840
of a Chevy Suburban?

1247
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:06.039
I did by standing by.

1248
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:09.920
On June fourteenth?

1249
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:15.159
Did you assist SLID in obtaining a search warrant for

1250
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:16.640
Maggie Murdall's Mercedes?

1251
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.439
I did? And was a lieutenant did in charge of that?

1252
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:20.279
He wasn't?

1253
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:21.880
Was SLED investigating?

1254
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:23.000
SLED was investigating?

1255
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:36.399
Was that what's referred to as the blue.

1256
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:38.199
Box black box?

1257
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:46.760
Blieve Let's story about it? Were you with SLIDS when

1258
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:48.920
Maggie Murdall's Mercedes was tod?

1259
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:49.960
I was?

1260
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:52.000
Did y'all have a search warrant for that?

1261
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:52.680
We did?

1262
01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:07.920
I think he asked him, did you were you with

1263
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:10.039
SLED when ponds were searched in the air?

1264
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:10.880
I was?

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That's its June sixteenth. Would you dispute that twenty twenty one?

1266
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No, that's correct, And.

1267
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I think mister Griffin asked you about a truck that

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if mister Davis was driving out of the shed.

1269
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Were you able to confirm that the tire tracks in

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the shed were his?

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I did by looking at them, by looking at 'em.

1272
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:29.520
Yes, m And I thinkster Griffin ask you did. Mister

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01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:31.000
Davis said he was in and out of there a

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couple of times a day, twice a day. Yes, so

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01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:34.720
those tracks inside the shelter were.

1276
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:37.079
Who's the the dog caretaker, mister Davis?

1277
01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:39.840
And I think he asked you about water. Just remind

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01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:41.680
you the night you were there, did you see water

1279
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:42.479
around the bodies?

1280
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:43.000
I did?

1281
01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:55.600
He asked you about some injuries. I think that you

1282
01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:56.760
had not his needy report.

1283
01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:00.800
How did Paul fall face down at a name outside

1284
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the feed room? On his hands and arms?

1285
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:20.319
Okay, but his face hit what the gravel? Mister Griffin

1286
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:27.800
asked you about how many times the defended Richard Alexander

1287
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:35.800
Murdall had mentioned to turn his son Paul's body on

1288
01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.920
Fake's two of the transcript or toward the front. Actually,

1289
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:41.439
I think I tried to turn Paul over first. You

1290
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:44.439
remember him saying that, Yes, you know, I tried to

1291
01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:46.800
turn him over, and I don't know I figured it out.

1292
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:52.560
Yes, and his cellphone popped out, correct, And I tried

1293
01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:55.840
to do something. M M, thinking maybe, but then I

1294
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:56.800
put it back down.

1295
01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:01.279
Correct were his words. I think I tried to turn

1296
01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:07.000
him over, Yes, and later on I tried to turn

1297
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:09.680
him and then I tried to check it correct.

1298
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:15.960
I tried to turn him correct. He asked you about

1299
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:17.840
the sheet on the body. Did you see the front

1300
01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:21.920
of the top of banish? Paul said, I did, And

1301
01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:23.680
he asked you about the sheet over that body. I

1302
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:27.479
want to ask you about she When you saw Richard

1303
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:29.920
Alexander Murdopher, did he have a sheet over him?

1304
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:30.640
And he did not?

1305
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:33.560
Could you see his face, his hands, his body, his

1306
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:34.760
pants and his shirt?

1307
01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:35.159
I could?

1308
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:39.279
Did those are clothes appear to be fresh? They didn't

1309
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:41.159
like they just come out of the lawn tree.

1310
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:42.520
It could be.

1311
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:48.399
So that guy there, I'm sure, y'all he's a fine lawyer,

1312
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:53.319
but I was not impressed with him at all, and

1313
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:56.199
really through out this whole trial, I wasn't impressed with him.

1314
01:14:56.319 --> 01:15:00.880
He totally got smoked by the prosecution with this witness.

1315
01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:05.680
I mean, all he did with this was confirmed that

1316
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:10.159
laurd Rutland investigated the case. He tried to make a

1317
01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:14.159
run at, accusing her of locking in to alex Murdall

1318
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.840
as a suspect right from the start, I guess, but

1319
01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:24.079
in my opinion, he failed miserably. So the death knell

1320
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:27.640
in the coffin for this exchange, for sure, was the

1321
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:31.079
fact that Murdall was squeaky clean after claiming he checked

1322
01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:38.800
for pulses, etc. On that very bloody crime scene. It

1323
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:43.239
just couldn't happen, in my opinion, and they did a

1324
01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:48.119
great job of painting that picture to the jury. But

1325
01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:51.199
that doesn't mean the defense doesn't have some wins in

1326
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:53.439
all of this, and as we go through the trial,

1327
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.680
we're going to cover some of those. Now we're going

1328
01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:00.800
to speed this one up like we did today. Going forward,

1329
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as I said, I'm going to note all the witness testimony,

1330
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but just give a brief insight into those that maybe

1331
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:11.279
were not as pertinent to the case. I'll only provide

1332
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the deep dives into those that had really a major

1333
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:31.880
impact on the outcome of the case going forward. I

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want to thank all of you for listening, supporting, sharing.

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I can't tell you how much it helps and how

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much I love each and every one of you for

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doing that. And it's getting close to Christmas, so I

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hope everybody's enjoying the holiday times with family and friends.

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I will be releasing some episodes next week. Look for those,

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and until next time for exposed scandalous files of the elite.

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I'm your host, Jim Chapman.

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Much you love