Sept. 24, 2024

"Murdaugh" Episode Four | Big Red

"Murdaugh" Episode Four | Big Red

In this fourth episode of Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman explore the days that followed the Murdaugh family murders, examining the emotional gathering at the Moselle property and the shocking news that Paul and Maggie Murdaugh has...

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Season 1

In this fourth episode of Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman explore the days that followed the Murdaugh family murders, examining the emotional gathering at the Moselle property and the shocking news that Paul and Maggie Murdaugh has been killed.
Jim introduces you to Rogan Gibson, Paul's best friend, whose last conversation with him held the key evidence in the case. Jim details the chaotic crime scene and forensic findings that suggest a calculated execution, and looks into initial suspects like C.B. Rowe, hinting at deeper connections within the investigation.

This episode sets the stage for continued exploration of betrayal, loyalty, and the search for justice in this case.

In this series Jim Chapman Tells you every detail from the South Carolina True Crime Saga you won't hear anywhere else including every detail of the Murdaugh Murders and the Alex Murdaugh Trial. This Alex Murdaugh Crime Documentary is one of the best True Crime Podcast about Murdaugh you can listen to.

Timestamps
05:06 Investigative Reports Begin
14:04 Detective Insights
18:21 Rogan Gibson's Story
20:38 The Morning of the Murder
33:22 A Family in Mourning
38:54 The Investigation deepens
41:02 C.B. Rowe's Background
43:46 The Stephen Smith Connection

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June eighth of twenty twenty one, the investigation into the

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horrific scene at the Murdall Kennels begins. Family and friends

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gather at the Moselle property to comfort Elk as the

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murder of his wife and son become front page news.

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At five am, just a few miles away, Rogan Gibson

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wakes up to a series of miscalls and upon returning them,

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he hears the news that his best friend Paul was

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shot and killed as he hurries to the scene, and

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unbeknownst to him at the time, is that what lies

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within his cell phone is the key piece of evidence

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in what will become the most talked about trial of

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the decade. Welcome to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite,

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Murdaal Episode four, Big Red, Hey everyone, and welcome back

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to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. I am your host,

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Jim Chapman, and quickly, before we get into today's episode,

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we have, the more episodes we can drop. And speaking

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of that, we're going to be dropping two episodes a

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We may even go to three if we see enough

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success when dropping two episodes. So you can look for

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the mrdall series to drop every Tuesday, and a regular

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episode of Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite to drop

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every Thursday. If there's something crazy that happens in the world,

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we may drop an episode before Thursday for regular Exposed.

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For example, we just dropped the ditty arrest Woo Woo

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look y'all six episodes in and he got arrested and

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I told y'all that was going to happen over the moon,

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over that guy getting arrested. Finally, all these victims are

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going to get some form of justice, with Ditty probably

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never getting out of jail. That's my prediction. I think

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he's locked up and he will can continue to be

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locked up.

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Look forward to that.

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Two episodes a week Tuesdays and Thursdays on Exposed. And

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today we are dropping episode four of Murdall. And I'm

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gonna call this episode Big Red. So the last time

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I left you with episode three, police they were at

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those kennels, right, they're gathering evidence, they're securing that scene,

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and they had conducted the first interview of Alex Murdall,

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which I played you. And so the investigation into the

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murders of Paul and Maggie Murdall had begun. And when

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you look at these cases, you start from the inside out.

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You go to the closest people to the situation. Always,

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you go to the first person that found the victims,

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and then you kind of go backwards from there. That's

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how you work these crimes. And police had started that process.

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But what did they think so far? What was the

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scene itself like through the eyes of law enforcement that

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were right there on that scene. So I'm gonna reference

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a couple of investigative reports that I have from that night,

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and I'm going to start with the report of Captain J. W. Chapman,

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no relation to myself, but he is a captain in

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the Collington County Sheriff's Office. In his report states, on

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June seventh, twenty twenty one, at twenty two oh seven hours,

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and that's ten oh seven pm, y'all, I heard the

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Collington County Dispatch Center giving out a call of two

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people shot at forty one forty seven Moselle Road. I

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immediately sent notification out to detectives. At twenty two nineteen

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ten nineteen pm, I checked on duty and en route

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to the call. While en route, I was advised by

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Sheriff Hill that the caller was Alec MRDAAL and the

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deceased parties were reported as his family members. Sheriff Hills

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stated that once we assessed the scene, he would likely

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call SLED for assistance. The first unit, Sergeant Daniel Green,

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arrived on scene at twenty two to twenty six hours

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ten twenty six. I contacted Sergeant Green via radio and

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expressed I wanted to secure the crime scene with only

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essential personnel. I arrived at the scene around twenty two

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to thirty seven hours. I turned on a dirt driveway

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with a mailbox mark forty one forty seven. Approximately three

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hundred and seventy five feet down. The driveway split and

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circled a large shed road. Patrol had already taped off

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the scene and we're controlling the entry points. The inner

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perimeter was empty of individuals and personnel, with the exception

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of the Collington County Sheriff Office units, which were Sergeant Green,

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Deputy thank You for McDowell, and Deputy William prut Collington

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County Fire Rescue Chief Barry McRoy had already done a

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visual assessment and requested the corner. Sergeant Green advised that

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he had a camouflaged shotgun secured in his vehicle that

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was surrendered by the caller. Upon Green's arrival, it was

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starting to rain and I advised Lieutenant David Long to

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pick up a tent on the weight of the scene.

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The body of an adult male was observed face down

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in an open doorway to a feed room that was

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positioned at the end of a long run of dog kennels.

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The mail identified by the caller as Paul Myrdall. The

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mail's feet were just inside the plane of the door,

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with the remainder of the body stretched out the door,

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across a small concrete sidewalk and onto the gravel driveway.

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The mail was covered by a pink sheet placed there

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by Collington County personnel. The sheet was raised briefly for

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the purpose of determining if a firearm was visible or

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on on near the body. Paul had on a T shirt,

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shorts and shoes. His hands were underneath his body. Paul

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had a traumatic open wound to the head and the

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majority of Paul's brain was lying on the ground to

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his left side. There were also pieces of his skull

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cap on the ground. Additionally, there were high velocity blood

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splatter on the upper half of the open door and

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ceiling area just inside the doorway. Four to five holes

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were also visible in the window in the opposite end

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of the feed room that appeared to be new damage.

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An Apple iPhone was lying on top of Paul's body.

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The phone did not appear to have any blood on

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it and the screen was blank. The body of an

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adult female was observed faced down near the edge of

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a large covered shed. Her head was pointed toward the

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direction of the dog kennels, and she was approximately thirty

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feet from Paul's body. She was identified by the collar

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as Maggie Murdall. Maggie was wearing a blue patterned romper

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and shoes. She too had traumatic head injury, along with

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what appeared to be gunshot wounds to the upper right back,

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lower left back, and right leg. There was a small

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piece of brain matter a few feet from her head

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and two large clumps of hair on her right side.

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Collington County Fire Rescue also placed a pink sheet over

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Maggie's body. Next to Maggie's body and strown along the

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gravel driveway between Maggie and Paul were multiple large caliber

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rifle casings with no weapon visible, evidence supporting that both

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victims were shot and or killed by gunfire. In confirmation

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from caller Alec Murdall, the deceased were his family. Detective

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Lower Rutland from the Collington County Sheriff's Office was rewrited

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and instructed to obtain a search warrant for the location.

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Lieutenant Long arrived on the scene and a tent was

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placed over Maggie's body to preserve the evidence from the rain.

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Deputy prut maintained a crime scene log while other deputies

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assisted with holding the crime scene perimeter. Once SLED personnel

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arrived on scene, they were briefed on the circumstances and

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the fact that the search warrant process was already underway.

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Detective Rutland arrived on the scene with assigned search warrant

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prior to the arrival of the SLED crime scene units.

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Detective Rutland was assigned as a liaison to assist SLED

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in the investigation. A portion of the nine to one

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one call was played for the agents to hear and

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Rutland in. Special Agent David Owens then conducted an interview

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of Alex Murdall. The interview was conducted inside Special Agent

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Owen's vehicle due to the rain. When other personnel arrived,

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Detective Rutland and I assisted in processing the scene. A

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shotgun taken from Alex by responding deputies was turned over

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to CSU technicians crime scene Unit. With Paul's body, I

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had observed at least two gunshot wounds, blood patterns on

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the wall of the feed shed, and projectile trajectory indicated

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that Paul was standing when he sustained both shots. One

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trajectory passed suggests an upward pattern and one suggested straight

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through the feed room and exited through the rear window.

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Buckshot was located in the pine trees along the rear

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of the shed. Paul's foam was lying on top of

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his buttocks, and there was no signs of a weapon

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around the body or shed. Two spent twelve gay shellcasings

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were also located near the body. Near Paul was an

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indention in the ground characteristic of a projectile impact. Eventually,

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a rifle projectile was located in the dirt of the impression.

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Multiple three hundred blackout spent casings were located between Paul's

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body and Maggie's body. There were also several near and

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underneath Maggie's body, and Maggie appeared to have several gunshot wounds,

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including one to the lower leg and one to the

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back of the head area. At least one impact from

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a rifle round was found in the sidewall of an

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enclosed barn adjacent to the bodies, and at least one

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rifle round was dugout of a nearby dog kennel. There

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was a clear set of tire impressions passing underneath the

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cover portion of the barn toward the road. These tracks

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were later determined to belong to a caretaker that was

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feeding the dogs earlier that day. On the opposite side

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of the enclosed barn was a pattern of small shoe

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impressions characteristic of flats or flip flops. The impressions appeared

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to have been pacing the barn wall. Paul's truck was

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part forty to sixty yards away, adjacent to a separate

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tractor shed. Maggie's vehicle was not observed at the scene,

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and Alex was driving his Chevrolet Suburban. Scene integrity was

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maintained well into the daylight hours as crime scene Unit

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technicians processed, and the crime scene was never compromised. The

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scene was eventually released by SLED and Collington County Sheriff's

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Office personnel were cleared. Items of evidence mentioned in this

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report were based on visual observations only. SLED crime Scene

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Unit collected all evidence, and Collington County Sheriff's Office detectives,

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including myself, merely assisted exact number descriptions, measurements, and or

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identification of potential evidence should be deducted from SLED crime

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Scene Unit reports only, and that is his report, that

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being Captain J. W.

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Chapman.

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In another report that I'm going to reference is from

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Detective Laura Rutland. Now Laura Rutland, if you'll remember from

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episode three, conducted that first interview with Alex Murdall along

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with sled's Detective Owen inside Detective Owen's vehicle, and here

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are her thoughts of the scene. In a summary of

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that interview with Alex, she says, Monday, June seventh, twenty

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twenty one, at twenty two to eleven hours, I, Detective

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Rutland was notified of a death scene with two victims

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at forty one forty seven Moses Road. I first responded

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to the Collington County Sheriff's Office headquarters to prepare search

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warrant for SLED to process the location.

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Of the scene.

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After preparing the search warrant, I met with Magistrate Judge Duffy,

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who granted the search of the property, and upon my

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arrival at the incident location, which was near the dog

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kennels in large outbuildings for storing farm equipment and property

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on Mozelle Road, I observe several law enforcement personnel from

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Colton County Sheriff's Office and SLED on the scene. I

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met with my supervisor, Captain Chapman, who informed me that

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SLED would be the lead agency on this case and

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assign me as a liaison from the Colinton County Sheriff's

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Office to assist SLED lead Senior Special Agent David Owen.

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I then partnered with Agent Owen and we walked the

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crime scene. The scene was marked by crime scene tape

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and was secured by multiple deputies. I observed a deceased

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white male lying face down at an angle away from

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the buildings. His feet were in the doorway to a

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storage room attached at the end of the dog kennels,

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and his body was outside the room, laying across the

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outside concrete pad. His arms were underneath his body. There

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was no weapon by the body. The body was covered

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by a sheet. Wanting to A shotgun shell was observed

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behind the deceased feet inside the show. And let me

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tell you real quick what watting is. In case you're

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not for me. You're in a shotgun. You have picture

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a shotgun shell. You have the plastic part of that

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shotgun shell for lack of a better word, and then

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you have the brass at the top, and that brass

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at the top contains the gunpowder that when a pin

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hits that gunpowder.

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It hits that strike.

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It then forces the pellets out of the shotgun shell,

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where there's a watting that also flies out when that

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shotgun shell is fired.

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And it's basically like packing.

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Think of it like packing for those shotgun pellets, and

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that watting comes out with the pellets, but it doesn't

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go very far.

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It only goes like three feet.

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And then it falls to the ground, and of course

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the pellets just continue on. She observed that watting by

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Paul's feet. A rear window of the shed had several

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hole in the glass. Large amounts of blood spatter and

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brain slash skull matter were on the door to the

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shed and on items within the storage building. I observed

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a pull of blood all around his head and he

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had a large opening where the top of his head

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was exposing the entire inner cranial cavity. His brain was

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next to his body near his legs. The deceased female

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was approximately twenty to thirty feet and she's estimating from

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the male's body located at the end of the carport

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section of a large workshop type building. The female was

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face down, also with her arms and hands underneath her body.

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She had an obvious gunshot wound to her head. There

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was a large hole in the back of her head

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and wounds to her back and legs. There was a

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large pull of blood underneath her head. There were no

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weapons near her body. I learned the bodies were identified

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by nine one one collar Alec mrdall as his son

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Palmer and his wife Maggie Murdall. And then she references

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the interview with Alex Murdall. This is a summary police

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refer to the body camera and report of Agent Owen,

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she says, and that's all she has on that. And

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of course she says, refer to the body camera and

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the report of agent Owen to ascertain what occurred. And

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I played you that entire interview the last episode, so

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we won't go into that any further. Now, let me

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tell you about Rogan Gibson. So, Rogan Gibson grew up

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in Hampton County. He went to Wade Hampton High School.

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He was best friends with Paul. They had been best

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friends since they were eleven years old, but they knew

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each other their entire life. They were just really tight.

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After the age of eleven. He was very mature for

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his age. He was twenty two when Paul was murdered.

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But to give you an example of how mature he

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was at just twenty two years old, he was foreman

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of an agricultural business inside of Hampton County, so he

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was leading other people even at that age, and he

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got up really early, like five o'clock almost every day.

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I mean, when you're in that business, when you're working outside,

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you're in agriculture, that's when you're up when the sun

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comes up, right, But twenty two years old, he's waking

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up at like five o'clock every morning, so you know

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he's not going out partying every night and all.

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These sorts of things.

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There is no way I was that responsible at that age.

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Five o'clock in the morning I didn't see often unless

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I hadn't went to bed yet at twenty two years old.

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So he was just a really sharp, well mannered young

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man who was also the last person to speak to

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Paul alive and was the person who carried the most

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critical information bar none in this entire case. Without Rogan

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and the evidence that he supplied, this case would have

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never been adjudicated. I can promise you that, but we'll

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get to that later on now. As you can imagine, Rogan,

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he was like a third son to Alex and Maggie Murdall,

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just always around y'all, took trips with them to their

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Edistow Beach house Myrdall Island. If you'll remember from.

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Past episodes I told you about that.

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He even referred to Alex Murdall with a nickname, and

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his nickname for Alex Murdall was Big Red. So on

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the morning of the eighth, just a few hours outside

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of the murder of his best friend, Rogan ended up

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in the car of the detective on this case, and

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he had quite the story to tell.

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Now.

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Rogan's dog, a chocolate lab named Cash. He was being

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housed at the kennels. He was just a puppy at

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the time, and Rogan was living with his girlfriend at

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the time and they didn't allow pets in the apartment

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where they were living, so he housed Cash at the

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Mozelle Kennels. After asking Alex Murdall big Red if that

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was okay, and Alex murdall.

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He was happy to do.

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So this This kid was like a son to him.

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So on June seventh of twenty twenty one, he gets

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a call and it's eight forty pm from Paul and

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at lasts about four minutes. And on this call, Paul

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asked him if there's something wrong with Cash's tale. Now

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I've not mentioned this until now, but it's believed that

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Maggie and Paul were murdered sometime around eight point fifty

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so just ten minutes after he had talked to Paul

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on the telephone, six minutes after he hung up with him.

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They're estimating. So Regan tells Paul he's not real sure

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you know what's going on with his dog's tail. He says,

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text me a picture and let me have a look.

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And Paul says, I'll tell you what. I'll FaceTime you.

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But they're out in the country, y'all. Service is not

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like it is, you know, in a big city, and

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it really was not great at the Mozelle property, and Paul,

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knowing that that may be an issue of FaceTime, says, look,

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if it doesn't work, I'll take a video and then

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I will text it to you. So they try FaceTime,

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but it has a bunch of life. Think about when

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you've tried to FaceTime people and you're in a bad area.

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It's just really sketchy. You can't hear what they're saying.

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They sound like a robot. The videos lagging really bad.

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So Paul says, look, I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna take

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a video and call you back. Basically hangs up and

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Rugan waits to get that video text. He would never

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get it, So Ruggan waits, and then he shoots Paul

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a couple of texts, one at eight forty nine PM,

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just six minutes after he hung up the phone, and

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then another at nine to fifty eight PM, And he

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made several calls at nine ten PM, nine to twenty

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nine PM, nine forty two pm, and nine to fifty

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seven pm, and even another at ten oh eight pm.

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He even texts Maggie Dall and his text said have

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Paul call me. That was at nine to thirty four PM.

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Of course, neither would ever respond, although he would say

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on record later on that if Paul had his phone,

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he always responded to text and most times would answer

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the phone if he was able, but always responded to text.

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Saying he's busy or whatever if he couldn't call somebody

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right back. So Rugan goes to bed around ten fifteen

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that night, and he wakes up around five o'clock the

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next morning and he sees he has two missed calls

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from Alex Murdall, one at ten twenty one pm the

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night before and one at ten twenty four pm the

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night before, and he notices a miscall from a mutual

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friend of him in Paul's and that guy's name was Nolan,

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and Nolan, interestingly enough, was also a police officer. So

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he calls Nolan first, and Nolan tells him that his

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best friend in the whole world had been murdered. So

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he does what you think he would do. He handles

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things with regard to work really really fast. He's, hey,

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I got an emergency, my friend's been killed whatever, And

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he goes to Mozelle to find out what's going on,

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and he brings his cousin with him. But the scene,

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it's frantic right now. You've got a bunch of people

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at the house. It's a bunch of family, a bunch

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of lawyers, a bunch of old people. Quite frankly, in

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his mind, I mean, he's twenty two years old and

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Alex was absolutely in pieces. He's never seen Alex like this,

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so he's feeling a little out of place. He doesn't

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really know how to act in that situation. So I'm

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sure he thinks to himself, I need to just get

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my dog and go home and I'll come back later

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when things settled down.

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So he does.

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He goes to the kennels and he grabs cash and

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he heads home, and I'm sure he was just horrified.

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I mean, you go to those kennels and you know,

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blood's still around. The bodies aren't there, but the scene

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is still there, and I'm sure he was just heartbroken.

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At what he saw.

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But he grabs his dog he heads home. But before

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he goes home, he stops at a convenience store just

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outside of Mozelle and he runs into a game warden

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guy had his, you know, his whole game warden uniform on,

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and he asks the guy, do you have any details

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on what happened at Mozelle? And a game warden talks

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to him for a few minutes and he realizes that

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Rogan is Paul's best friend, and Rogan mentions, man, I

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just talked to him. Do you know when this happened?

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Because I just talked to him at eight point forty

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that night. So the game wardens talking back and forth

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to Paul and he figures out whoa this is. The

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appears to be the last guy probably to talk to

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Paul before he was killed. So he tells Rogan, hey, man,

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law enforcement is going to want to talk to you,

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and Rogan responds with, hey, if you got a contact,

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let him know. I'm right here right now at this

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convenience store, and I'll tell him anything they want to know.

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So that's what happened. And he sits at the convenience

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store with the game warden and they're waiting for the

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detectives to show up. So Jeff Croft and Katie McAllister,

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which were two detectives working on the case, they show

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up and he tells them everything I just told you.

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He gives them screenshots of the text you know, that

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him and Paul had made to each other. He shows

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them his call log on his phone of the miss calls, everything.

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So I want you to listen to this.

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Now.

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It's heavily redacted, but it's about three minutes of a

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police interview that actual interview that Rogan Gibson gave inside

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the detective's car at that convenience store on the morning

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of June eighth, twenty twenty one.

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And here's what that sounded like.

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And dog you got chocolate?

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Lamb got you?

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And he called me. I looked at my phone. It

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was eight forty four last night and he said.

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You say he who call? Okay?

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And he had talk to us like we don't know anything. Yeah,

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you got to give his name, Okay.

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Paul, When you say he, I might not know who

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you talking about. I won't make sure. I ll back

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Peter Wright.

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Paul called me at what time?

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At ate forty four pm PM and said that there

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was something wrong with my dog. And I said, well,

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send me a picture of it. He said, well, I'll

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try to face time. You face time me. I sing

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a little bit of a screen. He said, I don't

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think I got connection. He said, I'll send you a

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picture of video of it. During the conversation with him,

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I heard miss Maggie and believed to be what was

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mister Ellet in the background.

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Can't swear that it was mister Ellick, but I believe

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it was mister Ellick. Well, do you know, mister Ellott,

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I'm like a third son of them, so you would

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recognize his voice. Pretty yeah.

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I'm ninety nine percent sure that was Miss Dellick talking

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to me, talking to them while I was on the phone,

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and after then I waited for the picture, waited for

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the picture I never got, and called him back a

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couple of times, never heard from it.

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And I'm guessing that's when it happened.

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Sometime between the time I talked to him at ate

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forty four or and that.

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What What were they arguing?

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Were they they were they were talking about my dog

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and said there was a little nod on his tail, okay,

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and they wanted me to know if I was gonna

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come pick him up or what Ellick was talking about.

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Ellick was just saying that I think his tails broke.

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That's what I heard the male voice say. I got

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which I thought, think, mister Ellick, I got you. Miss

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Maggie was asking did she need to give him some medicine? Okay,

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and I said no. I said, if he acts like

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00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.279
he's fine, don't don't give him no medicine. I have

468
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.480
my cousin come check him out because we live right

469
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:39.160
here in this area and I was gonna get my

470
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:40.400
cousin to come check him out this.

471
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:41.240
Morning, okay.

472
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.960
And did you ever talk to Maggie or mister Elli?

473
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.480
Never did while while I was on the phone apartament,

474
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:50.960
does the phone go dead or you just never got.

475
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.440
You never got the picture? He hung up after he

476
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.119
tried to face time me because he was gonna show.

477
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.119
Me the little nod on the dog's tail, correct, which

478
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:01.759
I think is just a little insect, right, But he

479
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:05.799
was going he did FaceTime in I seen the background

480
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:09.640
was the dol kennels. Okay, and then it just he said,

481
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.079
I don't have connection because you know, when you get

482
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:12.319
on FaceTime, you don't have connection.

483
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:13.480
It's kind of lagging a little bit.

484
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.039
Screen kind of moves around with the slow Yes, sir,

485
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.119
that's what was going on in honok Okay.

486
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:19.319
It didn't sound like.

487
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.160
There was no no failure to the car or it

488
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:23.599
just went, you know, went blank.

489
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.720
Just never heard heard anything from him?

490
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:27.839
Okay?

491
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:30.799
Did and you said you tried to call him back.

492
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:32.440
I tried to call him back a couple of times

493
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.640
from yourself on the other thirty.

494
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:39.119
Did you hear that shit?

495
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:41.960
You heard it right?

496
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:50.200
During that four minute conversation, in the background. Rogan was

497
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:56.119
ninety nine percent sure he heard Alex Murdall in the

498
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:05.880
background talking. Well, that's a direct contradiction to what Alex's

499
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:10.839
story was, right, he never went to the kennels according

500
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.880
to his story. Not only that, but if they got

501
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.599
killed around eight point fifty and he hears Alex's voice

502
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:27.440
around eight forty four, what the fuck. Well, at the

503
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.079
end of the day, you need proof he was at

504
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:35.720
those kennels. Although Rogan said, Hey, I'm ninety nine percent

505
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:40.440
sure that sounded like Alex's voice, he could possibly be wrong.

506
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.279
No way to prove that anyway in a court of law. Right, Well,

507
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:52.359
we'll get into that later. So now the police know this,

508
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.039
and they heard that it's very likely Alex was at

509
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:01.119
those kennels shortly before his life and some were killed.

510
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.640
They know they may have something, but they got to

511
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:08.200
tread lightly. They got to get as much hard evidence

512
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:12.000
as possible. Remember who this is. This is Alex Murdall

513
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:17.839
of the all powerful Murderll family, a family full of lawyers.

514
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:24.920
One mistake could cost them the case, right, So investigate

515
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:30.359
they do. And in the meantime, just three days, three

516
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:36.920
days after the murders on June tenth, this happens. Former

517
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:42.519
fourteenth Circuit solicitor Randolph Murdal the third dies at home

518
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.440
and I'm going to reference the article. A long time

519
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.039
fourteenth Circuit solicitor, a member of the prominent Murdall family

520
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.319
of Hampton County and partner in one of the largest

521
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.960
law firms in South Carolina, has died today June tenth,

522
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.720
at the age of eighty one. The Peters, Merdall, Parker

523
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.359
and Dietrich Law firm of Hampton, founded by Murdall's grandfather

524
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.400
more than one hundred years ago, posted the following message

525
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.840
on its Facebook page at five twenty pm. We are

526
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.320
sad to announce the passing of Randolph Murdall the third.

527
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.000
Police continue to keep the Murdof family in your thoughts

528
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.320
and prayers. Murdall died at home Thursday afternoon after suffering

529
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.199
from extended health problems, confirmed by Hampton County corner Angie Topper.

530
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.760
Hampton Funeral Home director Gordon Rodin, who was handling the

531
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:36.360
funeral arrangements for the family, said the arrangements are incomplete

532
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.960
at this time. Murdall is the grandfather of Paul Murdall

533
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.920
and father in law to Margaret Murdall, who were both

534
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.960
killed on June seventh in a double homicide at their

535
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.400
home in Collington County that is still under investigation with

536
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.280
no arrests reported. His death comes just one day after

537
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:58.400
Paul and Margaret's scheduled funerals at noon on Friday of

538
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.480
this week. On September twentieth, twenty eighteen, Murderal the Third

539
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.320
joined the ranks of such South Carolina icons as the

540
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:12.480
late novelist Pat Conroy, civil rights activist Septina Clark, and

541
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.280
Carolina football coach Lou Holtz, as well as singer James

542
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.119
Brown in receiving the Order of the Palametto. The Order

543
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.719
of the Palametto is the highest civilian honor awarded by

544
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.760
the Governor of South Carolina. Established in nineteen seventy one

545
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.239
and first awarded to Governor John C. West, It recognizes

546
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.760
a person's lifetime achievements and contributions to the state of

547
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.559
South Carolina. I want to thank you all for coming

548
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:40.920
here and thank the Governor for his honor. Murder All

549
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.599
said at the time, there may be people in South

550
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.639
Carolina more deserving, but nobody is more appreciative than I am,

551
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.400
and it goes on to describe a lot of his achievements.

552
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.719
But we've been through a lot of that, you know,

553
00:35:53.880 --> 00:36:02.000
obviously a very prominent family. So day after that, on

554
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.360
the eleventh of Jane, Paul and Maggie Mardall are laid

555
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:11.159
to rest. And I do have Paul Merdall's obituary. I'll

556
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:16.000
read that to you real quick, says Paul Murdall. April fourteenth,

557
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.559
nineteen ninety nine to June seventh of twenty twenty one,

558
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.760
Paul Terry Murdall, twenty two of Hampton, South Carolina, entered

559
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:29.760
internal rest alongside his loving mother, Margaret brainsteadter Murdall, non

560
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:35.159
as Maggie, the evening of Monday, June seventh, twenty twenty one.

561
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.920
Paul grew up with a love for the outdoors, and

562
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.480
particularly enjoyed hunting at their lodge in Mozelle with his

563
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.320
father Alex and brother Buster. He was a junior at

564
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.519
the University of South Carolina, where he was often found

565
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:53.039
cheering on the Gangcocks with his friends and family. Paul

566
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.960
never met a stranger and had an abundance of friends.

567
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.360
He was always eager to lend a helping hand to

568
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:02.039
anyone in need, no one was more loving and genuine

569
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.280
than Paul, and because of this, his personality was one

570
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.239
of a kind. Paula survived by his beloved father, Richard

571
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.599
Alexander Murdall Alex and his older brother Richard Alexander Murdall Junior, Buster,

572
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.880
both of whom he looked up to with all his heart.

573
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:23.119
Paula survived by his maternal grandparents Terry Lee Brandstetter and

574
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.159
Kennedy Hubbard Branstetter, and his paternal grandparents Randolph Murdall the

575
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:33.440
third and Elizabeth Alexander Murdall, his uncles Ranolf Murdall the

576
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:38.960
fourth and John Marvin Murdall, his aunts Mary and Brainstetter, Proctor,

577
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:45.599
Lynn Murdall, Goat, and many cousins. The graveside service celebrating

578
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.159
the lives of Paul and Maggie will be held on Friday,

579
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:51.719
Gene eleventh, at twelve o'clock at Hampton Cemetery.

580
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:53.519
And there you have it.

581
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.760
So look Paul Murdall, and you know I was hard

582
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:04.639
on him, and deservingly so. In the first episode of

583
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.960
this series, he wasn an asshole. He beat on women.

584
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.159
I'm sorry I don't like that. He smacked the shit

585
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.039
out of his girlfriend several times, and this was an

586
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.239
ongoing thing with him. He also, due to his stupidity

587
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.280
and bad decisions, killed somebody in a boat rack a

588
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:31.360
beautiful young lady. I have no sympathy for things like that,

589
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:35.199
but I will tell you that regardless of those things,

590
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:42.440
nobody deserves to be murdered, and he was, and he

591
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:49.719
deserves justice, just like his victims deserved justice. So they're

592
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.159
trying to seek it right in South Carolina, even against

593
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:54.840
this powerful family.

594
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:55.679
Now we're on the.

595
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.760
Eleventh, and wow, how much can one family take right?

596
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.800
Paul and Maggie are murdered on the seventh. On the tenth,

597
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:09.880
Paul's grandfather, Alex father dies and on the eleventh they

598
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.880
lay Maggie and Paul to rest, and police are investigating,

599
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.039
and they, you know, they don't know, but they already

600
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.679
have sort of an inclination that maybe Alex Murdall is

601
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.480
tied up in this somehow. Now, one of the people

602
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:31.239
that Alex Murdall mentioned, I believe it was in episode

603
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.079
three when he did that interview inside of the car

604
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:40.000
with Detective Owen, was a guy by the name of

605
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:45.239
ceb Row. So I got curious and I did I

606
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.000
guess some investigating of cb Row and started looking up

607
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.519
information about him, and let's talk about him real quick.

608
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.000
So cb Row, he was hired by Alex Murdall to

609
00:39:56.079 --> 00:40:00.440
help maintain the grounds of that Moselle proper. It was

610
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.239
a big hunting property, right, seventeen hundred acres. You got

611
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.679
to have people maintaining that. He was born in nineteen

612
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:12.039
fifty seven and he received a Bachelor of Science in

613
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:16.599
chemistry and environmental science from Charleston Southern and was a

614
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.480
chemistry teacher at Thomas Hayward Academy. This was in Ridgeland,

615
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:27.599
South Carolina. But he was fired in twenty ten for

616
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:32.519
having an inappropriate relationship with a student. To go into

617
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:35.400
more detail on that. He was arrested and charged with

618
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:40.400
sexual battery of a student in Jasper County. He played

619
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:46.239
guilty in Jasper County Circuit Court in twenty eleven and

620
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.920
he was sentenced to five years in prison, but the

621
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.679
sentence was suspended the entire sentence of five years and

622
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.320
he was placed on probation by Judge Carmen Muhlen. That

623
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.880
in and of itself is to me he did absolutely

624
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.159
no jail time. Now, if you'll remember Murdall claimed that

625
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:10.280
Roe had killed a field of sunflowers that he had

626
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:15.679
planted with Paul on June seventh, and interestingly enough, when

627
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:20.159
they went through the cell phone reports of Alex Murdall,

628
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:26.079
Roe called mrdall during his drive to his parents' home

629
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.360
that day on June seventh, or that evening, but at

630
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.599
the time Murdall was on the fame with his attorney,

631
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.880
Chris Wilson, and told Roe, look him, I have to

632
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.679
call you back. So I went back and I got

633
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.800
more curious about that sexual relationship case that he had,

634
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.920
those charges and eventual conviction. And the only thing that

635
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:54.360
I could really find is an article I'm just going

636
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.039
to reference real quick from what's known as Bluffington Today

637
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.920
and it says a former time Thomas Haywood Academy teacher

638
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.360
was charged with having an inappropriate relationship with a student

639
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:10.079
and was sentenced to probation in court. Last week, Claude

640
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.960
b Rowe, the third fifty three was arrested and charged

641
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.760
with sexual battery of a student for holding hands and

642
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.840
kissing a sixteen year old girl at the school. He

643
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.360
pleaded guilty in circuit court and was sentenced to five

644
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:27.519
years probation, but the sentence was suspended.

645
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.320
To five years probation.

646
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.679
The girl's parents reported the allegations to the Jasper County

647
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:36.920
Sheriff's office, and Roe later resigned. According to the girl's

648
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:41.159
statement to investigators, the teen and Roe, who taught environmental

649
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:45.320
science and chemistry at the private high school, held hands, kissed,

650
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.159
and had conversations at the school on the phone and

651
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:51.599
by text. When she was interviewed, the girl told deputies

652
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.000
she had a relationship with Roe, but there was no

653
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.679
force or coercion involved. He was charged under a new

654
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.480
state law that makes relationships such relationships illegal when a

655
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.440
student and teacher are involved. Because of her age, the

656
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:11.039
girl and the parents were not identified. Now, it's also

657
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:17.440
interesting to bring up that when cb Row's name came out,

658
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:19.960
there were a lot of people and we're going to

659
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:23.519
get deeper into this, but I'll just let you chew

660
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:24.079
on it or.

661
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.360
Think about it for a minute.

662
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.880
Because there was two weapons involved, and that is so strange.

663
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.320
A lot of people thought, well, if Alec murdaal had

664
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.400
something to do with this, he had to have an accomplice,

665
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.559
especially with the fact that there were two weapons and

666
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.280
there were a lot of people that thought that cb

667
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.519
Row was that accomplice, and as we go into the case,

668
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:48.000
maybe there's some more details I'll have for you on that,

669
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:54.079
So stay tuned. Other rumors outside of the cb ROW stuff,

670
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.840
they really start flying, and they really started flying the

671
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.079
second that all of this got out with the double

672
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:07.119
murder at Mozelle, not only locally in South Carolina, but

673
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:13.119
nationally and many people for the very first time hear

674
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:31.239
the name Stephen Smith. Who is Stephen Smith and what

675
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:38.159
significance does he have to this case? Well, I'll answer

676
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:45.880
that question in the next episode. Thank you so much

677
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:52.960
for listening, and until next time for exposed scandalous files

678
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.519
of the Elite, I'm Jim Chapman.

679
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:57.320
Much love,