Dec. 19, 2024

"Murdaugh" Episode Fifteen | "The Bestie"

"Murdaugh" Episode Fifteen | "The Bestie"

In this episode of Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman delves into day three of the Murdaugh murder trial, highlighting the testimony of crime scene expert Melinda Worley. Key evidence, including the analysis of Alex Mudaugh’s clothing...

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Season 1

In this episode of Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman delves into day three of the Murdaugh murder trial, highlighting the testimony of crime scene expert Melinda Worley. Key evidence, including the analysis of Alex Mudaugh’s clothing for blood, is discussed. Special Agent Jeff Croft shares concerning recorded statements from Alex, as the defense questions his credibility. A U.S. Secret Service agent reveals the process of unlocking Paul’s phone, while Paul’s best friend Rogan Gibson provides context about his life and the most damning evidence in the case is reveled in court!

Chapters
13:46 Rogan Gibson's Testimony
25:52 Communication Breakdown with Paul
33:16 Investigating Paul's Last Moments
51:19 Insights into the Murdoch Family
1:13:32 The Aftermath of the Murders

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and we are

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back with the fifteenth episode in.

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This mrdall series.

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And the last time that I left you in this series,

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we were in the second day, or had just wrapped

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up the second day of testimony, and I told you

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about Lord Rutland, played you her clips of her testimony

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and gave you my thoughts on that. Now, going forward,

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we're going to only highlight the partinent testimony, but I

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will do a little summarization of the testimony as a whole.

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So in Day three, which was Monday, January thirtieth of

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twenty twenty three, a SLED agent by the name of

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Melinda Warley testified, and I'm just going to summarize her testimony.

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I'm not going to play the club, but it was

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important in Melinda Warley, she serves as a crime scene expert.

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She focuses on footwear primarily, and if you'll remember, in

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this trial, there was a lot of discussion about the

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footprints that were present at those dog kennels and the

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prosecutors they were using her to debunk many of the

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allegations made by the defense that the crime scene was

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contaminated because of improper procedure. They've been putting a heavy

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emphasis on that, so Warley. She testified that the evidence

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was properly preserved and well documented. She also provided some

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insight about bloody footprints and tire tracks that were found

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at that crime scene. She did say the footprints matched

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Paul she and the tire tracks belonged to the caregiver

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for the dogs. The prosecution also asked Worthy to open

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several bags of evidence. They had her take the items

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out and confirm one by one what they were. The

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process was pretty long, which is why I'm not playing

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that clip. She pulled out shotgun shells, seat belts, projectile fragments,

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some plastic wadding from that shotgun shell, and the shoes

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Paul was wearing at the time of his death. Prosecutors

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then asked Worthy how they processed Murdaal's clothing, and she

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said they processed his clothing with a chemical called LCV,

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which actually turns purple when it comes into contact with blood.

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Tested presumptive positive for blood. She was not involved in

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any further analysis of the shirt. Worley said that over time,

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LCV causes any area of the object sprayed to term purple,

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but she did not mention that that's what happened to

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Myrdof's shirt. The shirt has been the subject of a

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lot of contention between the prosecution and the defense. They

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asked about the protocol to prevent contaminating the crime scene,

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which the defenses tried throughout the case to prove was improper.

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Worley said it would not be normal to wear foot

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coverings or what's known as booties to outdoor crime scenes.

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They did not have booties on. Worley said it also

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took her over two hours to get to the scene

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because she responded from Columbia, South Carolina. Upon arriving, she said,

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she met with agents on the scene and did an

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initial walk through, and they observed evidence marked by the

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Sheriff's office and looked for additional evidence before they started

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taking photographs. So Warley investigated those bloody footprints found in

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the feed room, compared them to Paul's shoes which he

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was wearing when he died, and she said the foot

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prince corresponded with his shoes. Perhaps the most morbid of

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the evidence presented included autopes of evidence such as the

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deceased victims, clothing, fingernail clippings, projectiles, etc. Taken from Maggie's

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body in dress. They also showed some shotgun pellets from

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Paul's head area and of course, as I mentioned, that

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wadding from his left shoulder in ormpit area. Now, another

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interesting item of evidence included was the entire seat belt

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assembly from that suburban that Murdall drove to the crime

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scene that night. The seat belt.

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Had been removed and they.

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Did gunshot residue test was known as JSR test, as

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well as some blood tests, but they were inconclusive. Now,

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next up with Special Agent Jeff Croft. And if you'll remember,

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in that recording I played for you during his questioning

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at SLED headquarters, he was recorded saying Murdall said I

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did him so bad or they did him so bad,

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as he was crying, he was sobbing during that was

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hard to make out exactly how he phrased it. He

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testified Special Agent Jeff Craft that he was one hundred

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percent confident Myrdall said I and not they, and that

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in his opinion, that can be interpreted as a confession.

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So Jim Griffin, the defense lawyer, asked him what were

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the things going through your mind when you heard or

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misheard I did him so bad? And then he went

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on to say, do you think he said I wasn't

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a good dad, or I spoiled him or I killed him?

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What do you think that meant?

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And Craft just responded it was definitely something we needed

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to follow up on now. The agent said he didn't

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ask for clarification that day because he thought it was

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too early in the investigation to confront Murdall and lose

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his cooperation. He was worried he was going to lawyer

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up and quit talking. Griffin asked him about an interview

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you three months later, and Cross said the agents didn't

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get to asking about that, but did ask Murdoll point

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blank if he killed his wife and son, and you'll

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remember I played you that. Griffin then asked if it

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would be up to the jury to decide the truth,

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and the special agent responded, they get to hear the

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tape and make up their own mind on what he said,

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So yes, sir, it's up to them. So the defense

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this whole time, when they're Cross examining Craft, they were

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trying to poke holes in how that investigation unfaulted. Croft

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was asked if he knew why state agents didn't search

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Murdoll's home and the hours after the killing for dirty clothes,

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possible blood in drains, or other evidence. Kraft said he

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had no idea. He can't speak for other agents and

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why they didn't do that, And what he was getting

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at is it's typical for drains to be searched when

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you're searching a home, and the reason for that is

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if you go wash your hands because you have blood

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all over them, and you wash them in a sink,

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you're possibly going to have blood in the pipes. Griffin

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also asked Crawf why agents didn't search Mardall's mother's home

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until September, which was three months after the killing, even

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though that was the only place Mardall said he went

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before finding the bodies. In his response, the Special Agent was,

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I know I didn't go, and I'm not sure if

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any of the other agents in the investigation circle had

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went there, and that's a question. Look, there were some

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things that they could have done better, and the defense

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really did a good job here. Griffin did a good

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job of exposing that, if you will, and pointing out

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some things that they should have done that they didn't do.

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They definitely should checked those drains. They definitely should have

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went by the last place that he said he was

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and confirmed that prior to three months after the murders. Now,

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another interesting thing that came out so a US Secret

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Service agent he testified as well, and his testimony was

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around Paul Murdall's phone and they were having a time

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getting into that phone. They could not unlock it. Look,

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you got the best Secret Service agents in the world

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trying to unlock this phone. They eventually did, and this

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is going to blow your mind. It was the last

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thing that they tried before they were going to give up,

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according to this agent that testified. And you'll never guess

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what the code was, or maybe you will, because it

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would have been the first thing that I tried. It

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was his birthday. His birthday was the code. It took

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like three months to open that phone, and they tried

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Paul's birthday and the phone opened. That just blew my

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mind a little bit. You'd think that been the first

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thing that would have tried. But sometimes the most obvious

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answer isn't the answer. You don't even consider that. Several

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other people testified after that, and we're gonna skip forward

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to February first of twenty twenty three, which was a Wednesday.

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It was day five, I believe, of the testimony, and

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Rogan Gibson gets up and testifies. And if you'll remember,

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Rogan is Paul's best friend. He's also the last person

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to speak with Paul alive. And also you know he's

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the guy with the most damning evidence in the case,

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the most damning by far. So I'm gonna play Rogan's testimony,

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and like I've done in the past, as key points

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are brought up, I'm gonna stop the recording and we're

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gonna talk about it and then we'll continue. So here's

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what Rogan Gibson's testimony sounded like.

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Where you went to high school?

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Just a little bit about yourself before we get to

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your testimony.

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I went to wead Ahampton High School.

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I'm from Hampton, all right, And you're working now, I am,

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all right, what field do you work in?

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The agriculture? Feel? All right?

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Why don't you see if you can pull that mic

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up just a little bit and screwed up just a hair,

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so you're speaking into it.

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I appreciate it. You you said you're working in agriculture.

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Is that right, that's correct, and currently still working in agriculture.

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That's correct. Back in June or twenty twenty one? What

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were we doing working in agriculture? That's correct? What kind

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of job did you have? I was farming, operating equipment,

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operating equipment.

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And let me ask you, did you I get to

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know Paul Murdoch?

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I did, all right, And tell me how old were

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you when you got to know Paul Murdon.

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I've known them all my life, real good. Probably when

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I was eleven twelve years old?

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And how did y'all get to meet one another? How

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did you become clutchure? I live next to them, okay,

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and when did that happen? When I was eleven twelve

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years old? Eleven twelve, y'all went to school together. Paul

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was a little bit younger than me. I didn't go

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to school with him.

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Okay.

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When y'all were growing up? What kind of things y'all

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like to do?

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To go?

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We enjoyed the outdoors, hunting, fishing, hanging around the farm.

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Were you close friends with Paul until the day he

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was murdered?

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I was.

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Tell the dream just a little bit about Paul. It's

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a little sense of who he was as a person.

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He loved outdoors, hunting, fishing, hanging around, really enjoyed the

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the farm out there, Moseille.

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If I got to be around he was.

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Over the years, as you got to be closer friends

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with Paul, did you get to be.

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Closer friends with the rest of the family I was?

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And was that just Paul and his brother and his

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parents or was it sort of the Murdochs, the larger

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family as well.

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The whole family.

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And over those years as you became close with him,

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how close would you say?

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How close?

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Did you become real close like a second family, like

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a second family to you.

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Sir.

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Paul? Did you have a nickname for him or did

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he have a nickname?

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Rooster? Uh?

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His brother Buster? Did he have a name or a nickname?

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Called him bus bus? Uh? What'd you call Maggie Miss Maggie? Okay?

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What did you call him? Mister Randolph? Paul's grandfather, handsome? Handsome?

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How about miss Libby his his wife, Paul's grandmother?

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Uh?

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How about Maggie's parents? Did you have nicknames for them?

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Called him Papa Tea and Grandma Popa Tea and Grandma

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m a r. At the end, that's correct. What'd you

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call Ali mister a big head, mister Hale, like a

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big red.

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You said they were like a second family too, that's correct.

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Being that close to this family, did you frequently go

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out to Moselle.

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All the time?

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Did you ever go to Did they have other properties

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too that you ever went to? And did where were

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the other properties they had?

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And hold up with sirens if you were what were

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the other properties that they had Edistope Beach? We went

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there a lot.

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They had a house at Usto Beach, it's correct, and

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any other properties while you were growing up that you recall.

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The property in Anna, the house in Anna. Did they

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ultimately sell that property? They didn't? You remember about how

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long ago? That was not real sure when you would

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go out? When did they get Mozelle? I mean just roughly.

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I believe it was like my freshman year in high school,

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so fourteen, twenty fourteen something like that. No, it was

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I graduated fourteen, so probably around twenty ten maybe, Okay, And.

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Over the years, as you spent a lot of time

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out there, I did what were some.

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Of the things that you would do with Paul out there?

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We would hunt fish, hang around, right around the property. Yeah,

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work the food plots equipment. I got states three or

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three right here. Let's post a board. Can I ask

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you to come on down with the judge permission? And

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let's uh, let's kind of point out some things.

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To the jury.

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H M.

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All right? Do you recognize this image?

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And what is that?

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Keep your voice up if you code en so pitch

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her and go over view of the Mozille property?

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Okay?

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And where's the residence in this picture right here?

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All right?

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And is there a driveway to that residence through the

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main driveways?

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All right?

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Do you see Moseille Road on this particular image going

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right down there?

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All right?

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Uh? What's uh? What's this red roof building right there?

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That's the airplane hanger? Okay? And uh did you have

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name for that? You call it the hanger? The shot

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of the hangar? Uh? Any other structures out there?

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That was the newer ship the track shed don't kennel?

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Okay?

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And that's the skin and shed, skin and shed and

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just real quick west the skin and sheds process.

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Wow, game out there? Game out there? Was there a

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driveway uh to that part of the property? Is that

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where I went right there? What's that that's where I

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went right there that you just pointed. Yeah, the driveway

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to the fields right now? Was that driveway commonly used?

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Was there? What's the structure right here? That's the old cabin,

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the hunting cabin, okay? And how about across the street?

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Was there was there any structures across the street? All right?

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Well?

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Was it there across the shooting house? All right?

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And can you just point roughly where that'd be right

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at the top of picture?

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Okay?

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All right? And what is this right here?

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Pawn?

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All right?

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And when y'all were what was the shooting house used

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for youn sight in right? For shooting kind of that angle?

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It was a tarnet down here? Would y'all shoot rifles

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from the shooting house? Would what about shotguns? Would y'all

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shoot those over that shooting area?

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Yeah?

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Most of them shot them around the pawn, around the pond,

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that's correct. Okay?

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Is this a lot of trees right here? And on

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the other side of that line of trees? What did

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y'all call that the dove field?

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Okay? All right, you can go ahead and have to

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seek for him.

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Thanks.

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You uh mentioned that y'all liked to ride the property

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and shoot property, shoot and hunt out there?

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Is that right? That's correct? What kind of hunting would

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ye do out there? Anything we could hunt? Okay, we'll

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give me some examples if you would please.

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Hog hunt deer, turkeys, hog hunting deer and turkeys, du quail.

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Let me ask you this turkey season. Do you know

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when that is in South Carolina? It's like March, mid

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March to early May.

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Okay, all right, so it's a very fairly short period

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of time of that time period.

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That's great.

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You mentioned Hoggs. First, tell me about the hawk hunting.

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What would y'all How would y'all go hawk hunt?

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A lot of times? We'd shoot them at night with

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a thermal scope? Okay?

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And what weapon would y'all use to to shoot those.

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Hogs with a thermal scope? Three hundred blackout? Yeah? And

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whose weapon was that? I think it was Busters?

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Well, tell me about what you know about the blackouts. Now,

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the family got those blackouts.

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They bought two of them, one for Paul and one

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for Buster.

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Okay, and you know, can you describe those two did

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you see both of them back.

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In the day?

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They?

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Yes, they were they were similar building. One was black,

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one was like a green tannish color, okay? And did

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anything ever happen to one of them?

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Yes, one of them was stolen? Okay? And were you

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present when that happened or around when that happen? I

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wasn't president. I was just told about it, all right.

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And what was the story you were told about that?

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I was told somebody took it out of Paul's truck

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at a party. At a party. How long ago was that?

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I'm not exactly, sir, I mean years. Yes, it's been

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five six years probably.

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Okay, let me show you something real quick.

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I'm gonna show you what's already been entered into evidence

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at State's one six y three. And when have you

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look at that damage? And particularly what's there on that

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pool table? Do you recognize that.

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That's a picture of a three hundred blackout right? And

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is that not the one that you and Paul would

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take gun? Yes, that's one of them. Uh, you said

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one guy stolen to your knowledge? Was there ever a replacement?

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Gun?

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I don't remember a replacement. You don't remember replacement? You

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remember Paul using the black one? Is that right? That's

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creator either the green and tan one before.

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It was stolen, Before I was stolen, that's correct, five

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or six years ago?

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Correct? What other guns did Paul use a lot? Did

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he favored? He favored a super black Eagle shotgun? Twelve gage?

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All right, let me show you another image if I could.

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I'm gonna show what's already been metted into evidence in

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states three and see if you recognize that I do?

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All right, tell me what that is. That's a super

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black Eagle all right? And do you specifically recognize that guy?

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Yes?

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And what gun is that? That's Paul the gun? And

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how can you tell the cameo pattern? Then the stramp?

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Would Paul frequently have weapons with him when he was

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on the property or in his truck.

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Or that sort of thing? He would what sort of

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weapons would he have frequently have with them?

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A lot of times he carried the three hundred blackout

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in his vehicle, and then I mean sometimes pistols, different shotguns,

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all right?

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Will he carry that shotgun a lot as well?

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Yes?

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I have seen him carry that shotgun. We'll show you

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what's been prequently you haven't enured in to have it.

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That's the stakes.

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Four.

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We give me a favorite study box of gloves right here.

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We just put them on the four behind you and

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just come out of the way.

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I'm gonna have you looking here and see if you

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recognized that that's super black equ three of Paul's. That's

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Paul's favorite shotgun. That's correct. What about deer? Did he

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have a weapon he liked hunting deer with?

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He did?

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It was some millimeter a week? Okay.

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Did Paul ever have any pistols to your knowledge, or

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carry around any pistols?

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He did sometimes sometimes?

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What were his favorite two guys or the most gussy.

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Most commonly had around?

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Probably that three hundred and super black Eagle, that's the

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ones I seen used the most.

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Tell me about a little bit about the uh the

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hot hunt. You said y'all would hunt them a night.

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That's correct, all right, And tell me how that works.

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What would y'all do? You're walking around, y'all widing around,

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riding around? How does that go?

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Most time we drove four wheeler vehicle, We didn't hardly

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have a walk.

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But that scope, the thermal scope would pick up the heat. Okay,

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and we're on the property. Would y'all hide all over

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the hogs? You hunt all over? That's correct?

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When you and Paul were together hunting with that blackout.

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Did you usually have the gun and shooting or did

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Paul usually have.

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The gun and shooting?

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It just depends who had the gun more, probably Paul.

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One guy's driving, the other guys looking. That's correct. Is

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that something y'all did frequently? A good bit, Yes, sir.

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If y'all ever kill the hog, what would y'all do

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with Sometimes we would give it to people that wanted

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to butcher it.

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Sometimes we just let natures take us course, just leave

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it wherever it was shot at. They just depends.

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Sometime we just skin them out ourselves, or hogs and

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duisance down them they are.

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We're talking a little bit about Paul and who he was.

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How was Paul and his cell phone? He was on

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his cell phone a lot. Let me ask you a

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little bit about miss Maggie.

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You mentioned before that the family had a couple of

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properties in the summertime.

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Where did miss Maggie prefer to stack? She'd like to

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stay at any time? And did you know why she

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preferred at a start? Because of the yellow flies at Moseille,

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the yellowflies, that's correct. What about Paul and Allen? Where

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would they stay most of sound?

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Well, Paul, if he was back home each day at Moseille,

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but a lot of times he was in Columbia or Charleston.

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Did you have an apartment in Charleston, Not, to my knowledge,

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in Charleston, I'm sorry, in Columbia and Columbia, yes, okay,

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thank you.

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Back in June seventh of tweeny twenty one, you were

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working in agriculture.

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That's correct. Working in farming, that's correct, hard work, yes, sir.

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What time do you have to get up in the

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morning and go to work? Normally get up about five

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o'clock five o'clock.

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Where were you staying at that point in time? I

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was staying at my girlfriend's house in Beaufort. In Beaufort,

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I have to say her last name? What was her

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first name? Mary Anne? Mary Anne?

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And why are we saying at Hewford at that period?

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At that point time, was that where.

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Your house was or not?

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No, my house was not there. I was working on

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Saint Helena. It made it a closer ride for me

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to go to work, all right. So you're saying with

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a girlfriend because of that, that's correct.

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Did you have a dog at that time? I did?

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And uh, what kind of dog? Chocolate? Lamb chocolate lamb.

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I still have the chocoate lab I do. What's the

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dog's name? Cash? Cash? How old was cash about that time?

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I'm guessing some he was a puppy for six months old? Maybe?

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Did you?

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Were you able to keep cash with you when you

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were staying at your girlfriends in Beaufort?

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I was not able to And why was that?

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Because she wasn't allowed she was renting the house. We

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couldn't keep one there.

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What arrangements did you make for cash when you were

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staying in Beaufort when you couldn't keep him at your

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girlfriend's house?

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That would leave him at the kennel's at Moselle. And

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tell me how that came to be? How'd you work

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that out?

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And asked mister Elick, if I could leave him there,

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I'd be going on the week at a time, leave

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him there for a week, picking back up when I

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come back home on the weekend.

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All right?

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Did you leave food for him? That sort of thing?

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I did?

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So?

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Where was he saying when he was at Moselle during

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the week when you were working into kennel in kennel

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describe the kentl's.

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A little bit for the for the jury. What was

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the structure.

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Like like a lean to shed with about eight somewhere

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around eight kennels under feed.

481
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Room on the end, and cash was staying in one

482
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:19.799
of those. That's correct.

483
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:21.799
You'd go get him on the weekend.

484
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.079
Friday night or either Saturday. Where would you take him?

485
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:26.359
Then back to my house?

486
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:26.839
All right?

487
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.000
And just where were you living at that time in

488
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:32.119
Collin County?

489
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:36.759
You get up five am and get to work. By

490
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:39.160
the time you get to work working farm.

491
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:41.720
Him, I'd roughly get to work somewhere around seven, seven

492
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:42.759
thirty seven.

493
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:44.400
And then what time would you get off?

494
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.039
It all depended what time would you get at five

495
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:49.440
six seven o'clock.

496
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.359
Just depending on how much work need to get done.

497
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.720
It's correct. Were you pretty tired when you got hat?

498
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:55.359
I was.

499
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.839
During the course of that day June seventh of twenty

500
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.079
twenty one. Did you have any communications with Paul?

501
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:11.119
I did?

502
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.279
What's the first one? You remember? Sometime around lunchtime?

503
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:15.279
All right?

504
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:17.960
What'd y'all communicate? Did y'all talk on phone, y'all text

505
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:18.200
or what?

506
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:19.000
Yeah?

507
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.480
I think he called me and told me about the

508
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.160
sunflowers had been sprayed in the Doue Hill and they

509
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.240
were dead. Say What did he say by that said

510
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:29.480
that he was getting ready to replant them.

511
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.000
They've been sprayed with some round up or something, that's correct.

512
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.160
Did y'all talk about anything else that you remember? Not

513
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:39.200
that I remember, well, I'm thinking about it. I asked

514
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:40.880
you about Paul's use of a cell phone. You know

515
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:41.960
where he kept his cell.

516
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.920
Phone when it wasn't in his hand most of the time,

517
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:44.960
in his pockets?

518
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.960
Was he typically wanted to respond pretty quick to you

519
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:50.160
talking about something.

520
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.440
Normally, Yeah, we were talking about something. He would respond

521
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:54.160
pretty quick.

522
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:01.200
That evening. Well, I did you Paul? Did you talk

523
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:05.759
to Paul again after that initial conversation? I did, all right?

524
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:10.200
And when was that roughly around eight forty okay? And

525
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:14.680
what was that conversation about? He called and said, asked

526
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.519
if something was wrong with the dog's tail? Okay? And

527
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.119
was that the first you were hearing about that? That's correct.

528
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:22.720
Tell me about your conversation.

529
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.559
I told him that, you know, I wasn't real sure.

530
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.720
I just dropped him off there Sunday and told him,

531
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.039
let's try to see if he can get me a

532
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:34.480
picture or FaceTime in let me see what was going

533
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:35.319
on with the dog's tail.

534
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.519
All right, Where was Paul when he called you? He

535
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:40.640
was at the dog kennels.

536
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:42.920
And how do you know that I could hear the

537
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:44.440
dogs barking in the original call?

538
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.359
Is he describing to you what he's seeing on Cash's tail?

539
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.519
That's correct, and Cash was at the kennels he was.

540
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.039
Did you hear any other voices when you were on

541
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:55.799
the phone with Paul about eight forty?

542
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.839
I did? And what voices did you hear? I heard

543
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:01.279
miss Maggie Lost. Did you hear and I thought that

544
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:01.799
mister Alec?

545
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:02.200
Did I hear?

546
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:03.640
You thought it was mister Ellick?

547
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.359
Very key point there. Remember Alex said he was not

548
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.559
at those kennels at that time. What he did not

549
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.960
know was that Paul had talked to Rogan during the

550
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.319
time that Alec was actually at those kennels or Elick

551
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.680
if you pronounce it that way, and you can hear

552
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:32.079
Elick in the background. And remember this police estimate those

553
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:36.559
murders took place at eight fifty and Rogan, as you

554
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.480
just heard, he's saying, it was like eight forty when

555
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:45.160
he was talking to Paul. But we continue, you talked.

556
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:46.920
To Paul, and what did y'all talk about? What was

557
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:47.400
he going to do.

558
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.440
He was going to try to FaceTime me, he said,

559
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.799
United services out here. He said, if I can't get

560
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:54.559
a FaceTime to go through, I'll send you a video.

561
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.480
And why was he going to FaceTime you? Was the

562
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.839
ever swing FaceTime and regular call? So I could see

563
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:02.160
what the dog? What was wrong with a dog?

564
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.400
And y'all talked about how the service is out here.

565
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:07.240
That's correct, And what do you mean by that?

566
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.640
Most of the time you got enough service to make

567
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.359
a call. I mean sometimes calls and break up, but

568
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.160
a FaceTime couldn't really get a whole lot of service

569
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:17.319
to make a FaceTime call.

570
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:18.160
It's kind of lagging.

571
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.359
Y'all had problems with that before, that's correct. Did y'all

572
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.680
discuss what to do with the FaceTime didn't work?

573
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.640
We did? And what was the discussion? He was gonna

574
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.400
send me a video of it of the dog. He

575
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.640
was going to video and then do what weather text

576
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.640
it to you? That's correct? Is that the last time

577
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:37.599
you ever talked to your friend?

578
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:38.480
That was?

579
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.960
Did y'all try to FaceTime? We did? Did it work?

580
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:51.680
It came through, but it was kind of lagging. I

581
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.319
couldn't tell what was going on, And then never heard

582
00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.000
from him again, that's correct. Did you ever get that video?

583
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:01.000
I did not.

584
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:03.920
After you never got the video, did you try to

585
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:05.519
reach back out to Paul to see if you could

586
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:06.400
get him to response.

587
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:08.960
I did. I called him a few times, Anne Texay.

588
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:10.440
Did he ever respond?

589
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:11.559
He didn't.

590
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.119
Did you reach out to anyone else trying to get

591
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.519
Paul to respond? I texted Miss Maggie. Did she respond?

592
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:18.400
She didn't.

593
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:20.759
About what time you think you went to bed that night,

594
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:22.839
I'm not exactly sure.

595
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:28.319
It was sometime right after I probably tried to contact him.

596
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.640
And you never heard from Miss Maggie either, I didn't.

597
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:31.400
Did you ever talk to her at all that day?

598
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.359
I didn't. What time about? What time you think you

599
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.799
went to bed? I'm gonna say somewhere around ten o'clock

600
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:38.599
ten o'clock.

601
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.039
You're a pretty sound asleeper, that's COREGT been working on

602
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:44.359
the farm all day, that's Corregt.

603
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:50.319
Did some calls come in that you didn't realize as

604
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.079
you were asleep? Yes? I woke up with some, Miss Costs.

605
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.839
What times you wake up the next morning? Sometime around

606
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:57.680
five five thirty?

607
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.680
When'd you find out that your friend Paul and his mother,

608
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:03.960
Maggie had been murdered.

609
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.759
At that same time five thought thirty. How'd you find out?

610
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.480
I called one of my friends. Did it left me?

611
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.559
Or I had a misscall from? And he told me

612
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:17.839
what had happened? All right?

613
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:19.440
And tell me his first name?

614
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:19.720
Place?

615
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.599
No one? What'd you do after that?

616
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.680
We got a little boy up and got him to

617
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.440
school without talking about it a whole lot, and then

618
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:31.319
we headed back home.

619
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.640
And by hoom, you mean Collinson County, College County, that's correct?

620
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:36.720
And where'd you go from there?

621
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.720
I went to my house first, then I ended up

622
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:43.400
going to Moseille by the time you think you got.

623
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:50.519
There sometime maybe eight thirty nine o'clock. What'd you see

624
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.880
when you got there? Where'd you go on the property?

625
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.799
I went to the dog kennels. And who'd you see there?

626
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:58.200
Or you talk to anyone there? I did?

627
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:03.920
And I seen John Marvin, but I didn't speak to him.

628
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:05.720
Did you talk to anybody at the scene when you

629
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.880
first went there? The only person I seen was John Martin?

630
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:10.480
What did you do after that?

631
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:11.480
Uh?

632
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:15.559
My cousin let dog out to kennel that be in cash,

633
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.799
that's correct? Did you take cash with you? I did?

634
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.720
And where Joe god from there? To the convenience store

635
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:23.319
down the river from house.

636
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.680
And who'd you meet there? I met a game Morton, okay.

637
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.799
And what did you do after that? What did you

638
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.039
have a conversation? I did. I haven't had a conversation

639
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:31.480
with him.

640
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:33.920
And he said that law enforcement was going to be

641
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.839
wanting to speak with me, and I told him, I said, well,

642
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.599
if you got a contact, let's get him up here

643
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:40.519
and let's talk.

644
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.799
And so did you wait for law enforcement to arrive?

645
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.480
I did? Do you remember who you talked to? I didn't.

646
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:50.400
Then who'd you talk to Jeff Croft and Katie McAllister?

647
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.519
And did they do an interview with you? They didn't.

648
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:56.960
Did they ask you about your communications with Paul the

649
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.960
night before? They did? And did they ask you uh

650
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:02.240
to see your cell phone?

651
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:03.000
Hey?

652
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:03.200
Did?

653
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.359
Did they take screenshots of your cell phone? That's correct?

654
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.920
Were you showing them your communications the night before with

655
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:15.200
Paul and Maggie and others the night before?

656
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.960
Yes, sir? Were you holding up the phone and they

657
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:34.480
were taking screenshots? Yes, sir. I'm gonna show you what's

658
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.799
been more identification.

659
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.839
One six five one sixty six one six seven, one

660
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:47.839
six eight one six nine one seventy one seventy one

661
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.480
and one seventy two, and just flip those real quick

662
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.960
and see if you recognize those images.

663
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.519
I do, and what are those? And it's all activity

664
00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:02.440
on my phone. Ms Coles takes just out of the bumps.

665
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:03.799
I believe these are inevidents.

666
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.039
But just to be clear, one six five, one sixty

667
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:10.000
six one six seven one six eight one six nine

668
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.159
one seventy one seven one and one seven to two. Uh,

669
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.039
we'll make sure those are ineventans. Move those are in

670
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:17.280
eevidents a week without a jesuit.

671
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:20.480
That's right, okay, admit it, mister Gibson.

672
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.559
I'm well put these up on the screen. You got

673
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:26.519
a screen up there, and so take a look at that. Okay, okay,

674
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.000
all right? One sixty five Can y'all turn the screen

675
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.920
around for me please? And that's a screenshot that Jeff

676
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.599
Croft took of your phone. Nuh on June eighth, twenty

677
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.480
twenty one, the next day, that's correct, all right? And

678
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:44.440
that reflects they call from who Paul? And which Paul

679
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:45.840
is that pull them or not?

680
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:46.639
All right?

681
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.679
And what time is that call? Eight forty pm? Then

682
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.760
how long does it last? Four minutes?

683
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:53.760
All right?

684
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.199
Is that the call you just described to this journey.

685
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.119
It is the call y'all were talking about cash the

686
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.159
dog and trying to fit you're out the tail it is.

687
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.239
I'm going to show you what's been marked was one

688
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.280
sixty six. Now again, you told this.

689
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.880
Jury that when y'all got off the call, he was

690
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.440
gonna try to FaceTime, you know, and if not.

691
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.159
Send a video. That's correct, all right, and we'll show

692
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.480
you one sixty six. Is that another string shot out

693
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:17.039
of it?

694
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:17.400
It is?

695
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.880
And that's the FaceTime call? Is that right? That's correct?

696
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:29.199
Eight forty four PM. That's correct for eleven seconds. That's correct.

697
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.800
That FaceTime didn't work though, yeah it was. It came through,

698
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:36.880
but it was lagging and couldn't communicate through it, so

699
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.119
y'all stopped. That's correct, and you were expecting what after

700
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:41.079
that a video.

701
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.320
I'm going to show you what's been marked as states

702
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.480
one sixty seven. Are these texts that were on your phone?

703
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:50.480
They are? And here are those texts between? Are you

704
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.519
trying to text? Rink there? Down those last two bubbles?

705
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:56.559
I was sending those texts Paul, All right, he's got

706
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:57.039
a little.

707
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:01.320
Glare on it. Well, what time is that text right there?

708
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.199
Eight forty nine pm. And that's on June seventh, twenty

709
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:06.960
twenty one, that's correct.

710
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.400
And what are you telling Paul right there? Can you

711
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.079
read that to the jury and then explain what you

712
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:11.719
were trying.

713
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:12.320
To say to Paul?

714
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:14.880
Please see if you can get a good picture of it.

715
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.039
Maryam wants to send it to a girl we know

716
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.119
in this event. Tell him to sit and stay and

717
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:21.480
he should move around too much.

718
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.760
Who were you talking about when you said tell him

719
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.679
to sit and stay cash the dog? Did you send

720
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.480
another text right here? I did? What time is that?

721
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:30.159
Can you read it?

722
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.599
Nine fifty eight pm? What do you say yo? And

723
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.199
when you say yo to Paul? What are you trying

724
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:36.880
to get him to do?

725
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.360
Just trying to get him to call me back or

726
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.320
text me back? Because you haven't got that video? That's correct.

727
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.079
Mishe we'sman mark was one sixty eight states?

728
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.800
Is that another string shot of your phone? That is

729
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.039
these are miss calls from June seventh, twenty twenty one,

730
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.960
that's correct, or these are out going calls? They are

731
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.039
Who are you trying to call Paul up? Tell me

732
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:03.559
the times you tried to call him start from the bottom, please.

733
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:11.480
Nine ten pm, nine twenty nine pm, nine two pm,

734
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.320
nine fifty seven pm.

735
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:18.079
Did he ever respon? No, sir, show westbron Mark to

736
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.679
States one sixty nine? Is that another screen shot of

737
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:21.119
your phone?

738
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.880
It is? Who are you trying to call? Right there?

739
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:24.280
Oh?

740
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.599
What's that last call? Ten oh eight pm? Did he

741
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.159
answer that call? He did not?

742
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.320
Show Wes from Mark to States one seventy Is that

743
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:35.639
another string shot of your phone?

744
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:36.519
It is?

745
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:42.159
And who are you trying to text right here? Miss Maggie?

746
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:48.320
What time did you try to text her?

747
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.400
Nine thirty four pm? And what did you text her?

748
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.800
Tell Paul to call me? Tell Paul to call me? Yes, sir?

749
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:57.320
Did she ever respond?

750
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:57.960
She did not.

751
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.360
You said you woke up the next morning on June eighth,

752
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.519
twenty twenty one, and you saw you had some miscalls?

753
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:09.920
Is that right? It's correct.

754
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:12.719
I'm going to show you as what's been marked as

755
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:17.480
States one seventy one? Was this also a stream shot

756
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.800
or a picture that specializing crawl took off your phone?

757
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:22.920
It is?

758
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:23.480
All right?

759
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:26.800
And who are those miss calls from mister Hellick? And

760
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:28.000
what time did they come in?

761
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:33.280
Ten twenty one pm and ten twenty four pm?

762
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.400
And did you that would have been on June seventh,

763
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.519
twenty twenty one. That's correct. Were you asleep at that time?

764
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.679
I was unaware they were coming in?

765
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:42.920
That's correct.

766
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.639
One seven two? Is that another screenshot of your phone?

767
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:49.719
It is all right?

768
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.320
And those other miscalls that came.

769
00:38:51.199 --> 00:39:01.000
In ten twenty five pm and ten thirty pm.

770
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.559
When you spoke to Special Asia Croft on June eighth,

771
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.880
twenty twenty one, did you tell him and Special Asia

772
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.840
McAllister who you thought you heard on that phone call

773
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:11.599
at eight forty?

774
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:12.239
I did?

775
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:15.320
And who did you say you heard? I thought it

776
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.960
was mister Ellick, but I wasn't exactly sir. Did you

777
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.480
give him a percentage? I did?

778
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.400
What'd you say nine nine percent that you heard mister

779
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.159
Allac on my phone call at eight forty?

780
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:24.800
That's correct?

781
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.119
Time went on after the murders. Did you go to

782
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.239
Moseille where all the family and friends were gathering?

783
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:31.920
I did?

784
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:35.000
Were you there Fairmountain? Probably the whole part of that

785
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:36.880
or that later that week.

786
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.000
While you were there at the house where the family

787
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.599
and friends had gathered, did anyone ever ask you about

788
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.400
your last contact with Paul?

789
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:51.360
There was and who asked you? Grandma and that being

790
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.000
missus Brand's daughter, that's correct.

791
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:54.679
Maggie's mother, that's correct.

792
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.039
And what did you say?

793
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:58.800
Told her, Yeah, that I talked to Paul about the

794
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.199
dog and told her. Did I hear miss Maggie in

795
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.679
the background and I heard a male voice.

796
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:06.880
That I thought I was miss Tell it was he

797
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:07.320
in the room?

798
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:07.559
Then?

799
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.119
Yes, did he stand up and say no, I wasn't there.

800
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:18.480
He didn't huge huge point right there made by Creighton Waters.

801
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.760
You got Rogan telling the family that he heard both

802
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:26.239
Maggie and Alec in the background of that phone call.

803
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:34.239
Yet Alec doesn't say a word. To the contrary, if

804
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.440
he were not at those kennels, I submit to you,

805
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.800
he would have done just what Creighton Waters insinuated. He

806
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.400
would have made that clear to everyone right then and

807
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.760
there that he wasn't there. But he just sits on

808
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.880
the couch and does not say a word.

809
00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:01.559
We continue, did you You were ultimately interviewed by law

810
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.480
enforcement and other part of the process and that sort

811
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:04.679
of thing.

812
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:05.920
Is that correct? That's correct?

813
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:08.559
And as time went on and you were asked about

814
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.559
who you heard on the phone that night that call

815
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:15.800
at eight forty, you said, Hey, I thought it was Alec,

816
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:16.119
but I.

817
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.039
Can't be sure that's correct. Told law enforcement the night

818
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.880
of ninety nine percent sure correct? Say that question again?

819
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.440
Please told law enforcement the next day, June eighth, that

820
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:26.679
you were ninety nine percent sure?

821
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:27.679
Is that correct? That's correct?

822
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:29.440
Time went on? You said, I thought it was Alec,

823
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.079
but I can't be sure that's correct.

824
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:39.639
In November of twenty twenty two, did law enforcement ask

825
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:40.159
you to come in.

826
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.960
And look at a video? They did? And did you

827
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:49.000
watch that video? I did? And what was on that video?

828
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.039
It was the video Paul was supposed to take a cash?

829
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.199
Was on the video? And did you hear recognize the

830
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.159
voices on there? I did? Did you recognize the voices

831
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:05.039
of your second family? I did? And what voices did

832
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:09.199
you hear? Paul's Miss Maggie, Miss Dellick? And how sure

833
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.679
are you now? Positive? One hundred percent that's correct.

834
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:19.360
Did you ever have any conversation with ELC Murdoch about

835
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:20.480
what happened that night?

836
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:21.599
No sure?

837
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:26.239
Did he ever ask you about whether or not you

838
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.199
heard him on that phone that night?

839
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:29.039
No sure?

840
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.119
Before we play the video, I want to ask a

841
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.559
couple more questions. Received that phone call from Paul at

842
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.840
the kennels at eight forty pm on the night of

843
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.320
June seventh, twenty twenty one.

844
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:42.320
Did Paul sound normal to you?

845
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:43.719
He did?

846
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:45.480
Did he sound stressed to you?

847
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:46.559
He did not.

848
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.880
Did he sound like someone was there that he didn't know? No? Sure?

849
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.400
Did he sound worried?

850
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:54.800
He didn't.

851
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:56.920
Did you hear Maggie's voice?

852
00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:58.400
I did.

853
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:03.199
Did she sound stressed? She didn't. Did she sound worried? Now?

854
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.119
Did she sound normal? She didn't.

855
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.559
Did she sound like there was somebody there she didn't know,

856
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:10.559
or that she was in danger enough?

857
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.159
Did you or Alex voice what I thought was his

858
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:15.679
voice at the time. Yeah.

859
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.639
When Maggie or Paul would go down to the kennels,

860
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:19.800
how would they usually get there?

861
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.760
It would drive sometimes this Maggie would walk or ride

862
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:25.079
a bike.

863
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.280
If they had an eighteen year golf cart into the yard,

864
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.639
sometimes they would drive that.

865
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.800
Paul more likely would be one to ride or one

866
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.000
one to drive down there. Most of the time he

867
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:36.559
would drive.

868
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:43.800
Was it usual for the family to go down there

869
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.320
sometimes and let the dogs out?

870
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.280
It was let him run around, That's correct. Didn't miss

871
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:51.199
Maggie like to do that?

872
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:52.400
She did.

873
00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.679
With a cod to your knowledge, for guns to be

874
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:19.599
left down at the kennels sometimes there was ye, and

875
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:28.920
we'll play that video for you. Okay, h.

876
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:11.119
Hey got now.

877
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:29.519
Yeah, baksh.

878
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.320
Wife's back of remember twenty twenty two it is? Where

879
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:44.719
is that video taken at the kennels? You recognize your dog?

880
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.960
I Do you recognize Paul's voice? Yes, sir? You recognize

881
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:53.840
Maggie's voice? Yes, sir? You recognize Alex's voice? Yes, sir,

882
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.320
one hundred percent, yes, sir.

883
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.760
Can you point out Alec Murdock, the person whose voice

884
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.239
you were organizing this video in this.

885
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.519
Courtroom place, sitting right at a great jack.

886
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:08.880
Please let the record reflect he's identified the defendant. Thank you,

887
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.199
mister up nothing for it, all right.

888
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.360
So you just heard the clip of that video, that

889
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:19.000
infamous video, the nail and the coffin, in my opinion,

890
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.159
and you and I we have not been a part

891
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:26.159
of the Murdall family like Rogan has practically you know,

892
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:33.559
the other son to Big Red or Elick. Yet from

893
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:37.199
hearing that, I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty,

894
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.320
I would testify to it in a court of law

895
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:46.679
that that was Alex Murdall's voice without any hesitation. I

896
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.079
can tell you that, and I'm sure you can too.

897
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:53.760
After hearing that, so the prosecution rest in. It's the

898
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:55.400
defense turn.

899
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:56.840
How you doing?

900
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:10.039
We've met many times, haven't we, Yes, sir? Tell the

901
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:14.800
jury more about Paul. Please? What what did y'all like

902
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:15.440
to do together?

903
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:22.639
We loved hunting, fishing, just hanging around. We love staying

904
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.599
at the beach, going to the sandbar. He was he

905
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:31.239
could get along with just about anybody.

906
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.159
See one of your best friends.

907
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:35.480
He is this a hard.

908
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:43.840
Day for you, yes, sir. And did you live one

909
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.440
summer in the cabin there on.

910
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:49.480
The proper yes, Meet Busher and Nolan lived in the

911
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.119
cabin and ball.

912
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:54.519
Was there a lot? And and when you got a

913
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.239
house of your own, I think, I mean it was

914
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.199
just right down the road, wasn't it, Yes, sir, down

915
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.320
Moselle Road. Yes, sir, it was your grandparents house or

916
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:09.239
you moved into, that's correct. And but before that, Ms

917
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.400
Maggie and Big Red over here, mister Alec, I mean

918
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.199
they treated you as family, didn't they.

919
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:15.599
That's correct, they did.

920
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:20.880
And Paul was like a brother to you, yes, sir.

921
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.320
And Miss Maggie was like a second mom to you, yes, sir.

922
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.360
And mister Allen was like a second dad, Yes, sir,

923
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:37.440
he was. And could you tell the jury how what

924
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.800
you observed Alex's relationship was starting with you? What was

925
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:43.800
his relationship with you?

926
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.519
We had a good relationship. I mean he treated me

927
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:53.639
like one of his own. We we had fun. He

928
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.320
he gave me permission to haunt the property.

929
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.880
Did you have permission to come and go and down

930
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.039
the shot? I didn't. Did you have permission to have

931
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:04.000
used any equipment?

932
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:04.840
Yes, sir?

933
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.679
And did you help out on the on the farm

934
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.239
for game management stuff?

935
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:09.920
I didn't?

936
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:16.400
And and can you tell the Jerry a little bit

937
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.199
about mister Alex's relationship with his son Paul.

938
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:22.079
Very good relationship.

939
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:27.840
We were they close, nothing happened without Paul.

940
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:29.679
Tell them a static about.

941
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:36.760
And did Jerry's heard some interviewed on the tape? Uh

942
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:43.400
various about how the Moselle property was Paul's passion it was?

943
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.719
You agree with that, yes, sir? Why do you think

944
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:50.719
it was his passion? What? Why? What was he so

945
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:51.960
passionate about out there?

946
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:57.760
He just loved hunting and what using the equipment to

947
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:02.400
manage for a wild game fishing? Right?

948
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:03.320
He loved all that.

949
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.880
It was Paul a good friend, yes, sir, Was he

950
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:13.000
a loyal friend? He was was a loyal son, Yes, sir,

951
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:20.800
Tell me about miss Maggie.

952
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:25.639
She was like a second mother to me. I always

953
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.760
took care of me, treated me like one of hers.

954
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:40.599
Did you spend time with down to edist and you

955
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:43.320
and Paul and Miss Maggie sometimes just the three of

956
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:49.119
you there down there? It was okay? What what did

957
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.119
miss Maggie like to do?

958
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.119
She liked the beach.

959
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:59.280
When they were down in Edisto. Was it were you

960
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.440
the only friend welcome at the Eddystone house or or what.

961
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.679
Was it like there was many friends that were welcome

962
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:05.400
to the house.

963
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:12.039
Like adult friends. Or was it was most miss Maggie,

964
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.719
miss Alex home. Was it open to all of Paul

965
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:17.519
and Butter's friends?

966
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.559
It was open to all of Paul and Buster's friends.

967
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.519
Was that the case of Edistone that's correct? Was that

968
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:30.599
the case of Moiselle? The What did did it appear

969
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.440
to you that mister Alec enjoyed being around his family?

970
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:34.760
Yes, sir, he didn't.

971
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:42.440
And did you enjoy being around mister Alec and Miss Maggie? Yes, sir,

972
00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:03.280
you remember, and I apologize them and get the date wrong.

973
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.360
But do you remember in early twenty nineteen that Paul

974
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:13.840
was in a boating accent, Yes, sir. And a beautiful

975
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.760
young woman died in that accident, don't they, Yes, sir.

976
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:18.920
Her name was Malory Beach.

977
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:20.000
That's correct.

978
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.960
And and Paul was eventually charged, Is that correct?

979
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:26.039
Yes, sir.

980
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:31.639
Did did Paul receive any threats or erasmus that you

981
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.559
knew about as a result of that voting action?

982
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:36.039
Knowing that I thought it was real serious? Something he

983
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:37.760
mentioned it that you know he did?

984
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.199
People calmed down about it, but nothing do I thought

985
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:41.960
it was real serious?

986
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:52.840
Did Did he with people just mouthed off to him

987
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.360
when he went out bars or just with.

988
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.840
His friends, Yes, sir, he had mentioned out.

989
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.840
But was there anything that that you thought was serious

990
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:03.840
in nature? No?

991
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.480
A lot of times I wasn't there when that happened.

992
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:09.679
I didn't think it was that serious.

993
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.239
Let me let me let me back up. I skipped

994
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:17.519
over something you played? You played sports when you're a

995
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:19.800
kid growing up, Yes, sir. I think your dad was

996
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:20.559
a coach, was he?

997
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:21.159
Yes, sir?

998
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.519
And was mister Alec a coach to Paul and Buster?

999
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:25.159
He was?

1000
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.400
And uh did mister All when he wasn't coaching would

1001
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.280
him and Maggie come to all the sporting events for

1002
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:32.639
the kids.

1003
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:33.519
They were always there.

1004
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:36.519
Can you think of them ever missing a sporting event

1005
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:37.320
for Buster or Paul?

1006
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:38.400
Nothing I can remember.

1007
00:53:39.119 --> 00:54:03.760
And they come to your sporting events. Yes, now was

1008
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:10.800
and Paul had an apartment in twenty twenty one he

1009
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:13.800
was starting to go back to school at Carolina and

1010
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.880
remember that he was in college school year, that's correct.

1011
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:22.320
And in June he had moved back to he'd moved

1012
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.360
back home. Was that Cray?

1013
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:24.840
Yes, sir.

1014
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.800
Was he living at Mozille for the most part.

1015
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.000
I think he was staying at Mozilla's Sun, but kind

1016
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:31.840
of all over the place.

1017
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.199
And sometimes he stayed with his uncle John Marmon down

1018
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.519
and Blufton. And he was working with Uncle John Marmon

1019
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:47.119
when that's correct. Now, when he was on the farm,

1020
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:53.199
when he was at Mozille. This this gets a little

1021
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:56.639
confusing for me. I frankly, Well, let me just ask,

1022
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:02.239
can you tell Jerry A all the farm trucks there

1023
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:02.800
at Moselle.

1024
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.920
Yeah, there was a lot of different vehicles. They could

1025
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:09.039
be used anywhere from ATV's attractors.

1026
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:13.199
Well, let's just talk about the trucks. What what was.

1027
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:16.639
Paul's primary truck around the farm most of the time.

1028
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:19.000
F two to fifty, all right.

1029
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.320
But what was his primary mode of transportation? Was it

1030
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:22.800
a truck?

1031
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.639
It was F one fifty And was it white?

1032
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:30.559
It was okay? And then and then and did he

1033
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:31.639
drive that around the farm?

1034
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:33.000
So sometimes yes.

1035
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:37.039
And then there was a big F two fifty, that's correct.

1036
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:38.559
And that was also white, wasn't it.

1037
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:39.280
That's correct.

1038
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.519
Does that have a name, the f big F two

1039
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:42.679
to fifty farm truck?

1040
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.079
Yeah, white boy. That was the older F two to fifty.

1041
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.320
And then there was another one called Dolly.

1042
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:52.760
That's correct. That was a newer F two fifty.

1043
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:56.320
That was a newer F two fifty. And then there

1044
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:59.440
was a was there a black truck? There was and

1045
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:06.360
that was one it was and was that Buster's old truck?

1046
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:07.000
It was?

1047
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:14.960
So there were just and then so Buster had a

1048
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:19.400
excuse me, So Buster had a another vehicle, and his

1049
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.000
old F one fifty stayed at Moseille.

1050
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:23.280
Right, that's correct.

1051
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:29.800
And then Paul had his white one fifty pickup. And

1052
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:32.599
then where he was not at Mozille, there was still

1053
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:38.840
three other trucks at Mozille, right, that's correct. Dolly white

1054
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:43.679
boy and then Buster's old black pickup.

1055
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:44.400
That's correct.

1056
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.360
And when Paul was there, he would drive any one

1057
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.199
of those trucks, wouldn't he, Yes, sir, on the farm,

1058
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.800
and no matter which one he was driving, he would

1059
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:58.079
most often have a some sort of firearm in the truck.

1060
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:00.440
Right, that's correct. Most of the time, I'll farm, you

1061
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.639
had a firearm in the vehicle.

1062
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:07.360
And those trucks they would either stay down at the shed,

1063
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:11.039
the workshop, or or at the house, I mean the

1064
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:13.920
no set place for them, correct, that's correct.

1065
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.719
And they didn't lock the trucks up, did they not normally?

1066
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:21.920
I mean's And then Paul would leave guns in the trucks,

1067
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:22.280
wouldn't he.

1068
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:23.760
That's correct?

1069
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:28.079
And Paul would leave guns everywhere just about, wouldn't he.

1070
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:30.840
Yeah, he could leave. He left a lot of stuff

1071
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:31.679
different places.

1072
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:34.079
Yeah. Did they ever leave any guns at your house?

1073
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:36.800
I'm sure he has over the years.

1074
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:45.320
Okay. And then uh, he would leave guns in the workshop, right, I.

1075
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.039
Have seen guns in the workshop. Yes.

1076
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:54.920
And then did they keep the workshop workshop locked?

1077
00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:58.960
It just depends not a whole lot, but I have

1078
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:00.880
remembered it's being locked.

1079
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:05.119
Yes, Was it more often not lock than lot?

1080
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:07.440
Probably? More recent.

1081
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:17.880
Yeah, it wasn't locked, did they? If someone were bent

1082
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:19.920
on mischief, would it be a hard thing to go

1083
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.320
up on that property and steal stuff?

1084
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:29.480
Probably not around the sheds, It wouldn't be too hard.

1085
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.559
And if someone were bent on mischief, would be a

1086
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.599
hard thing to go open up and rifle through or

1087
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:38.119
look through white Boy or Dolly or Buster's old black

1088
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:38.760
cockup truck.

1089
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:40.599
That is possible because.

1090
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:49.320
And there were no security cameras down at the at

1091
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:52.960
the old airplane hangar, the workshop, the kennels, and the

1092
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:54.840
pole barn and skinny sheds real.

1093
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:56.400
They not that I was ever are?

1094
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.039
And there were nos in that the cabin. Mhm Were

1095
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:05.400
you guys stayed that summer? There was no security cameras

1096
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:08.559
there either, right, not that I knew one? And was

1097
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:10.119
that cabin that is stay locked?

1098
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:14.960
Sometimes there was locked? Sometimes it wasn't.

1099
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:18.960
Paul left guns there too, didn't he?

1100
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.480
I have seen guns in that that cabin for you.

1101
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:27.760
I want to I turned this thing upside down. But

1102
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.400
you talked about handsome who's handsome.

1103
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:33.960
Mister Randolph or not?

1104
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:40.199
And miss Libby is who? Who? Miss Libby?

1105
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:41.000
Ye ye?

1106
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:47.440
And that's uh Paul and Buster's grandparents. Right, that's correct,

1107
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:51.360
and you know where they live, now meet them al

1108
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:55.800
Meta and uh, just generally where's Almeta.

1109
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:58.320
It's on the outside of Armville.

1110
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:04.599
Okay, crossroads and this veer off go toward Ridgeland if

1111
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:06.199
you go, if you veer off, if you stay on

1112
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.079
that road, you go to mc right.

1113
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:13.320
If you're coming out of Hampton toward Varnville, then then

1114
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.239
where the veer off is, that's called Almina.

1115
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:16.000
That's correct.

1116
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:25.039
Now to get to Almeda and the most direct route

1117
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:30.679
do this right, okay, So can you see from back there?

1118
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:31.719
I can?

1119
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.000
And so this is the main house right here. Okay,

1120
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.320
that's correct. And you can get down to Mozelle Road

1121
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:41.239
by going one or two ways. Right, you can either

1122
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:44.280
take a left and go down by the shop and

1123
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:45.960
the kennels, or you can go straight out in the

1124
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:47.079
main driveway. Is that right?

1125
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:49.599
Yes, you can go out both ways.

1126
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.360
But when you hit Mozelle Road, would you turn right

1127
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.840
or left? If you go in the most direct route

1128
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:55.760
to Almeda.

1129
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:59.000
Turn right and be going down this way. That's correct.

1130
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.239
You can asked a little bit about Paul's cell phone usage.

1131
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:23.519
He was on a lot.

1132
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:25.280
He was on it a lot, yes, sir.

1133
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:33.079
Yeah. And and did battery get down low pretty regularly?

1134
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:35.480
Yes, he would let his phone die sometime or he

1135
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:37.239
would lose it well.

1136
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.760
And when it would get down low, did he have

1137
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.360
a habit of, you know, not using it to try

1138
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:44.639
to keep him going all the way out?

1139
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:46.800
Yes, I have seen that happen before.

1140
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:48.679
And have you done that yourself?

1141
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:49.440
Yes, sir.

1142
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:55.719
And phone coverage cell phone coverage on that property is

1143
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.400
somewhat When I say that property, I'm talking about Moselle,

1144
01:01:58.480 --> 01:01:59.559
somewhat spotty.

1145
01:01:59.199 --> 01:01:59.960
Isn't it it is?

1146
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.920
And is there is there better coverage up at the

1147
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:05.639
house than down at the kennels.

1148
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:11.800
I wouldn't. I wouldn't think so, okay kind of hen miss.

1149
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:13.239
And you can be down to the kennels and you

1150
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:17.719
can be well ten yards one way you'd have some

1151
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.880
coverage ten yards the other way you wouldn't have coverage.

1152
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:29.159
Is that right? That's correct? Now back up here. You know,

1153
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.000
we don't have any measurements on on how what this

1154
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:36.039
distance is from the kennels to the house. But if

1155
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:40.519
you're just driving in a buggy or a car or

1156
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:44.280
what have you, I mean, tell the jury roughly how

1157
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:48.159
long it would take from in a vehicle go from

1158
01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:49.719
the kennels to the house.

1159
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:52.239
It all depends how fast you driving. But it don't

1160
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:54.320
take long to get from the sheds to the house.

1161
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:59.119
I mean do it under two minutes, definitely under two minutes.

1162
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.079
Fast enough, you do it in a minute or less.

1163
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:03.199
I suspect, is that right?

1164
01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:05.280
Yes, if you're going fast enough, you would be able

1165
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:07.599
to make it from the sheds to the house and

1166
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:08.159
under the amount.

1167
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:31.119
You were asked about turkey season, when and when it started?

1168
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:34.119
And when at the ended? You remember and you can

1169
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:36.039
tell me. I don't know when's the turkey season starting?

1170
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:39.719
Yes, most time mid March to early in May.

1171
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:42.159
How about duck season? When does that start?

1172
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.719
The first season starts around Thanksgiving? I think the week

1173
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:47.159
the weekend before Thanksgiving.

1174
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.440
And when's the second season start?

1175
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:52.360
Sometime in December?

1176
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:53.639
And when's it then?

1177
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:55.679
End of January?

1178
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:03.159
Do you go duck hunting with Paul?

1179
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:04.239
Yes, sir, I have.

1180
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.239
And they had a duck pond on the property, that's correct.

1181
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:11.840
And and did they keep it full all year? Do

1182
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:13.920
drain it and plan it for the season?

1183
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.480
Yeah, they would. They would drain it after doak season

1184
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:18.920
and be ready to plan in a sprintime.

1185
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:23.559
And you helped with that, I did, and with mister

1186
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:28.519
Alec be involved help doing that, but he would but

1187
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:34.400
and and that was part of Paul's passion doing things

1188
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:34.960
like that.

1189
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:35.559
That's correct.

1190
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:49.119
Now, waterfowl shells loaded are different than uh, turkey loads, right.

1191
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:50.119
That's correct.

1192
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:56.639
What's the difference steal shot and m hm, steal shot

1193
01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:56.880
for what?

1194
01:04:57.599 --> 01:04:59.320
For dopes? Waterfowl?

1195
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:03.679
And and why is it just preferred or is it required?

1196
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.960
This require because you don't want lead in the water,

1197
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:12.400
that's correct. But for hunting purposes, if you just had

1198
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.119
your choice, would you rather hunt with lead or steal?

1199
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.480
Let you out because it has greater knockdown power? It does?

1200
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:22.519
Is that why you would rather? Or just price too?

1201
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:23.119
I suspect?

1202
01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:24.440
What's that again?

1203
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:26.599
Why would you prefer lead over steal?

1204
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:28.360
It has better? Not it's better?

1205
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:37.400
Now you were asked questions about three hundred blackouts and

1206
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:44.679
at one and one time Paul had his own and

1207
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:47.360
Buster had his own. They had two three hundred blackouts.

1208
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:50.639
You remember that, I did, And then you heard that

1209
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:56.519
Paul had had one stolen of his truck at a party.

1210
01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:57.280
That's correct.

1211
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.960
And and do you remember roughly when.

1212
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:03.079
That was I'm not exactly, sir.

1213
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:11.400
Years ago, yes, many years ago, and uh, and whenever

1214
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.400
when in recent memory, did have you ever seen Paul

1215
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.719
with a three hundred blackout other than the black one

1216
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:18.599
with the thermal scope?

1217
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.480
Not to my knowledge, So whenever.

1218
01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:23.360
You were with Paul and he had a three hundred blackout,

1219
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:26.760
it was the black one with the thermal scope, that's correct.

1220
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:34.280
Did you ever see three hundred blackout around the house

1221
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.679
that was black without a thermal scope?

1222
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:39.920
Not to my knowledge, I hadn't.

1223
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:46.320
And just a jurious heard of what's the thermal scope.

1224
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.239
Picks up the heat from the animal. You can see

1225
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:52.760
it at nighttime because of the heat for night hunting,

1226
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:53.840
that's correct.

1227
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:56.239
And that's the best time to hut hawgs.

1228
01:06:57.159 --> 01:06:57.519
It is.

1229
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:00.840
Well, during the daytime they stay in the swamp, that's correct.

1230
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.119
At night they come out, yes, sir. And you all

1231
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.320
had you all had cameras out there to see when

1232
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:06.000
they were coming out.

1233
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:06.880
Sometimes we did.

1234
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:18.559
Yeah. Now you you listen to this videotape and heard

1235
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:24.840
that that was your dog Cash it was chocolate laugh, yes, sir.

1236
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:29.360
And and you heard miss Maggie, yes, sir, and you

1237
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:32.559
heard Paul obviously that's correct. And and Miss Maggie was

1238
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:39.840
saying he got a guinny. And then then you heard

1239
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:44.920
a voice say, no, it's a chicken. You remember whose

1240
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:45.639
voice that was.

1241
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:47.800
That was mister Alex that said it the first time.

1242
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:49.519
And then Paul so said it was a chicken.

1243
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:59.559
Okay, And then and then someone says, Baba, let go

1244
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.039
of that chick or something like that.

1245
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:03.679
Yeah, just holler for Boba.

1246
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:06.480
And whose voice you'd recognized?

1247
01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:08.360
Hollering for Boba?

1248
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:09.559
And who's Bubba?

1249
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:10.400
They're dull?

1250
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:16.399
Did they have it? Was Bubba? A yellow lab he was.

1251
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:20.279
Did Bubba have his own kennel?

1252
01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:21.439
He did?

1253
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:22.800
Which one was it?

1254
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:23.479
Most of the time?

1255
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:30.039
He was in the first one right beside the feed room.

1256
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:35.199
Now, you had talked to Paul. I think the record

1257
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:40.119
show you had a four minute telephone conversation before that

1258
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.640
that video was taken, which you didn't receive until law

1259
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:45.960
enforcement showed you. But you remember you talked to Paul

1260
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:50.039
for about four minutes, right, that's correct. And I believe

1261
01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:54.520
when when you were interviewed, you said it sounded like

1262
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:56.960
mister Alick had had pulled up or something to that.

1263
01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:59.239
I think driven up. Do you remember that now?

1264
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.520
I don't ever remember here in a vehicle, okay. I

1265
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:04.319
just remember hearing a third.

1266
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:12.439
Voice, and the and the next day, excuse me, what's

1267
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:17.439
was it? Was it the eighth? The next day you

1268
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:21.760
went over and met with and went into the house

1269
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:26.880
at Moiselle, and you saw Maggie's parents, That's correct. And

1270
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.560
and that's when Grandma, miss brand said her ask you

1271
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:37.880
if you heard Maggie's voice, yes, okay, and you told

1272
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:39.119
her you did, told her.

1273
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.800
I heard I talked to Paul and heard miss.

1274
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:46.239
Maggie and and you told him, told him and in

1275
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:49.760
front of everybody that you had I thought you had

1276
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:52.960
heard Alex's voice too, right, that's correct. And he didn't

1277
01:09:52.960 --> 01:10:02.840
push back whatsoever? Sir? What What was alex demeanor when

1278
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.039
you first saw him after the murders and days after

1279
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:06.760
what he.

1280
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:11.760
Was just real, real distraught, sad, just tore up about it.

1281
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:12.720
Did he cry a lot?

1282
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:13.520
Yes, sir?

1283
01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:15.079
Did he hug you he did?

1284
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:17.399
Did he cry yes, sir?

1285
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:18.359
Did you cry?

1286
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:19.000
Yes, sir?

1287
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.800
I mean you cry the day after and the day after.

1288
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:28.479
I mean that was really sad.

1289
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:39.239
Right on this video. You've been around Alix, Maggie, Paul

1290
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:44.600
most of all your life. Was there any did you

1291
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:48.279
notice any signs of distress or anxiety or anything out

1292
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:55.520
of the ordinary. I did not, mm hmm and uh.

1293
01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:59.279
And you've been around Maggie and Alix and their whole

1294
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:00.960
family a.

1295
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.239
Lot, almost all of my life, yes, sir.

1296
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:08.359
And would you see Alick openly show his display of

1297
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:12.359
affection and love to Maggie, Yes, sir. And from your observation,

1298
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:14.520
they have a close, good relationship.

1299
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:15.439
That's correct.

1300
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:19.880
And they were loving to each other and to Paul

1301
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:24.159
and Buster and their friends. Correct, that's correct. And you

1302
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:27.119
can can you think of any circumstance that you can envision,

1303
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:32.119
knowing them as you do, where Alick would brutally murder

1304
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:36.119
Paul and Maggie.

1305
01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:38.319
Not that I can thank them.

1306
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:41.640
Thank you. That's all the questions that thanks.

1307
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:54.039
Further, you're asking questions about the shed's being unlocked. All

1308
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:56.079
ever complained to you people were up there stealing all

1309
01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:57.239
kinds of stuff all the time.

1310
01:11:58.000 --> 01:11:59.800
I was never aware of people stealing it.

1311
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:07.520
When you talked to Paul and heard Maggie and l

1312
01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:09.520
like at eight forty, is.

1313
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:11.079
There any problem with that voice call or did it

1314
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:13.800
come through just fine? The reception was good. The call

1315
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:14.319
came through.

1316
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:18.760
Yes, And the last conversation you had with Paul was

1317
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.199
he was going to do what if the FaceTime didn't work.

1318
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.359
Send me a video? And he never did.

1319
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:24.399
That's correct.

1320
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.800
You've heard that video and you hear three voices. Is

1321
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.119
that correct, Maggie, Paul and mister Alick.

1322
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:40.680
In the video? Yes, sir. When you're.

1323
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:50.760
Standing, if you're at the house or inside the house

1324
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:52.960
on the second floor or something like that, can you

1325
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:55.960
see the roofs of the sheds and down there?

1326
01:12:57.399 --> 01:12:59.520
The last time I had been out there, yes, you

1327
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:01.840
would be able to see the top of the structure.

1328
01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:05.880
And if you're standing out here in front of them shuts,

1329
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.039
could you see the top of the house the other way?

1330
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:09.720
Same thing?

1331
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:11.560
Yeah, last time I was there, you would be able

1332
01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:13.720
to see the top of the structure. There was trees

1333
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.600
growing between the houses, and.

1334
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:20.600
That was a long time ago, right, that's correct.

1335
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:36.239
Down there at the shuts, did they have like outdoor

1336
01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:37.079
lighting down there?

1337
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.000
Yes, sir, they did. And if all that was on,

1338
01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:43.880
could you see all that lighting from the house.

1339
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:46.800
Yes, you would be able to see that there were

1340
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:47.960
lights on from the house.

1341
01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:50.239
If those lights were on, it'd be pretty well let up,

1342
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:52.560
is that right? If all of them were yes.

1343
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:04.000
You're asked about the boat rack. Were you aware that

1344
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:06.119
Paul had been charged in that boat rack?

1345
01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:07.000
That was?

1346
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:09.840
Were you aware that Alec Murdock had been sued in

1347
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:10.520
that boat rack?

1348
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:11.279
That was?

1349
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:19.680
What was your perception of Alex's wealth? Did you believe

1350
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:20.880
he was fairly wealthy man?

1351
01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:21.199
Yes?

1352
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:29.479
Sir? How long have you known Alec Murdoch? Pretty much

1353
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:30.800
all my life?

1354
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:38.079
As you sit here today, did you really know him?

1355
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:38.720
Rule?

1356
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:42.840
Yes, I knew miss sell It. But as you said

1357
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:44.439
here today, do you really know him?

1358
01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:45.319
Yes? I know?

1359
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:52.239
Missll It my all time favorite based boring attorney. I mean,

1360
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:55.119
I want to say, I don't mean that nefariously, but

1361
01:14:55.359 --> 01:15:00.439
Godly man Jim Gruffin will put you to sleep sometimes

1362
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:05.399
he got his ass whipped in that exchange once again

1363
01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:09.119
by creating waters. I just don't think Jim Griffin was.

1364
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:09.800
The guy.

1365
01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:12.159
For this trial.

1366
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:12.560
Now.

1367
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:15.560
I don't know if the best attorney on God's green

1368
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:19.960
Earth would have helped Alec Murdall at this point or

1369
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:27.000
Elc Murdoch, however you pronounce it. But man, somebody needs

1370
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:31.840
a lot of firecracker up Jim Griffin's ass. He drives

1371
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:36.039
me nuts. So there you have it. Once again a

1372
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:41.159
big whim for the prosecution and creating waters and we're

1373
01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:44.039
gonna get like Ricky Bobby with this thing, and we're

1374
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:47.279
gonna go fast. Now we're coming up on twenty twenty five.

1375
01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:50.720
I need to wrap this series up, and we still

1376
01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:53.800
got a little ways to go, but it's only gonna

1377
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:57.079
get better from here on out. We're about to really

1378
01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:01.119
heat up with some witnesses that you're gonna have to hear,

1379
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:06.199
including Murder himself, So get ready for that. Now, a

1380
01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:11.640
couple of announcements. Next week is Christmas Week, so I'm

1381
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:16.840
gonna give you some special drops next week and on Monday,

1382
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:23.319
I'm dropping a special ask Me Anything episode. Now, I

1383
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:26.840
put something out there on Facebook as well as the Patreon.

1384
01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:30.359
If you had any questions you want to ask me anything,

1385
01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:34.880
submit it just instant message me and I would feature

1386
01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:36.720
it in the show. And I'm gonna do a drawing

1387
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:40.680
and somebody's gonna get an exposed.

1388
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:41.680
Branded T shirt.

1389
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.279
So I'm gonna be doing that on Monday, the twenty third.

1390
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.239
You'll hear that episode. Incidentally, if you're listening to this

1391
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:51.439
and you haven't asked a question and you got something

1392
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:53.479
you want to ask, just go ahead and message me,

1393
01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:56.840
but I need it by tomorrow. I'm going to record

1394
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:01.359
that ask me anything on Friday. You're here this on Thursday,

1395
01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.600
so make sure you get that in today, then Tuesday,

1396
01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:11.039
Christmas Eve, Wednesday, Christmas Day, we're going to enjoy the

1397
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.520
Birth of Jesus Christ, and I am not going to

1398
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:19.800
drop an episode, of course on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve. However,

1399
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:23.239
on the twenty six as you're cleaning up from hopefully

1400
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:26.319
a bunch of family or friends visiting you or both,

1401
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:32.800
you're gonna get Volume two of murd All's phone calls. Look,

1402
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:36.199
it's the car wreck you can't look away from with

1403
01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:41.520
Murdall and his jeilhouse phone calls. Everybody loved Volume one,

1404
01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.079
so Volume two is coming your way. That'll be the

1405
01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:58.720
twenty sixth, the day after Christmas, So that's going to

1406
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:02.840
be next week's schedule. Thank you so much for all

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