"Murdaugh" Episode Fifteen | "The Bestie"

0:11 Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and we are back with the fifteenth episode in. This mrdall series. And the last time that I left you in this series, we were in the second day, or had just wrapped up the second day of testimony, and I told you about Lord Rutland, played you her clips of her testimony and gave you my thoughts on that. Now, going forward, we're going to only highlight the partinent testimony, but I will do a little summarization of the testimony as a whole.

0:53 So in Day three, which was Monday, January thirtieth of twenty twenty three, a SLED agent by the name of Melinda Warley testified, and I'm just going to summarize her testimony. I'm not going to play the club, but it was important in Melinda Warley, she serves as a crime scene expert. She focuses on footwear primarily, and if you'll remember, in this trial, there was a lot of discussion about the footprints that were present at those dog kennels and the prosecutors they were using her to debunk many of the allegations made by the defense that the crime scene was contaminated because of improper procedure. They've been putting a heavy emphasis on that, so Warley. She testified that the evidence was properly preserved and well documented. She also provided some insight about bloody footprints and tire tracks that were found at that crime scene. She did say the footprints matched Paul she and the tire tracks belonged to the caregiver for the dogs. The prosecution also asked Worthy to open several bags of evidence. They had her take the items out and confirm one by one what they were. The process was pretty long, which is why I'm not playing that clip. She pulled out shotgun shells, seat belts, projectile fragments,

2:24 some plastic wadding from that shotgun shell, and the shoes Paul was wearing at the time of his death. Prosecutors then asked Worthy how they processed Murdaal's clothing, and she said they processed his clothing with a chemical called LCV, which actually turns purple when it comes into contact with blood. Tested presumptive positive for blood. She was not involved in any further analysis of the shirt. Worley said that over time, LCV causes any area of the object sprayed to term purple, but she did not mention that that's what happened to Myrdof's shirt. The shirt has been the subject of a lot of contention between the prosecution and the defense. They asked about the protocol to prevent contaminating the crime scene, which the defenses tried throughout the case to prove was improper.

3:18 Worley said it would not be normal to wear foot coverings or what's known as booties to outdoor crime scenes. They did not have booties on. Worley said it also took her over two hours to get to the scene because she responded from Columbia, South Carolina. Upon arriving, she said, she met with agents on the scene and did an initial walk through, and they observed evidence marked by the Sheriff's office and looked for additional evidence before they started taking photographs. So Warley investigated those bloody footprints found in the feed room, compared them to Paul's shoes which he was wearing when he died, and she said the foot prince corresponded with his shoes. Perhaps the most morbid of the evidence presented included autopes of evidence such as the deceased victims, clothing, fingernail clippings, projectiles, etc. Taken from Maggie's body in dress. They also showed some shotgun pellets from Paul's head area and of course, as I mentioned, that wadding from his left shoulder in ormpit area. Now, another interesting item of evidence included was the entire seat belt assembly from that suburban that Murdall drove to the crime scene that night. The seat belt.

4:37 Had been removed and they. Did gunshot residue test was known as JSR test, as well as some blood tests, but they were inconclusive. Now, next up with Special Agent Jeff Croft. And if you'll remember, in that recording I played for you during his questioning at SLED headquarters, he was recorded saying Murdall said I did him so bad or they did him so bad, as he was crying, he was sobbing during that was hard to make out exactly how he phrased it. He testified Special Agent Jeff Craft that he was one hundred percent confident Myrdall said I and not they, and that in his opinion, that can be interpreted as a confession.

5:21 So Jim Griffin, the defense lawyer, asked him what were the things going through your mind when you heard or misheard I did him so bad? And then he went on to say, do you think he said I wasn't a good dad, or I spoiled him or I killed him? What do you think that meant? And Craft just responded it was definitely something we needed to follow up on now. The agent said he didn't ask for clarification that day because he thought it was too early in the investigation to confront Murdall and lose his cooperation. He was worried he was going to lawyer up and quit talking. Griffin asked him about an interview you three months later, and Cross said the agents didn't get to asking about that, but did ask Murdoll point blank if he killed his wife and son, and you'll remember I played you that. Griffin then asked if it would be up to the jury to decide the truth, and the special agent responded, they get to hear the tape and make up their own mind on what he said, So yes, sir, it's up to them. So the defense this whole time, when they're Cross examining Craft, they were trying to poke holes in how that investigation unfaulted. Croft was asked if he knew why state agents didn't search Murdoll's home and the hours after the killing for dirty clothes, possible blood in drains, or other evidence. Kraft said he had no idea. He can't speak for other agents and why they didn't do that, And what he was getting

6:54 at is it's typical for drains to be searched when you're searching a home, and the reason for that is if you go wash your hands because you have blood all over them, and you wash them in a sink, you're possibly going to have blood in the pipes. Griffin also asked Crawf why agents didn't search Mardall's mother's home until September, which was three months after the killing, even though that was the only place Mardall said he went before finding the bodies. In his response, the Special Agent was, I know I didn't go, and I'm not sure if any of the other agents in the investigation circle had went there, and that's a question. Look, there were some things that they could have done better, and the defense really did a good job here. Griffin did a good job of exposing that, if you will, and pointing out some things that they should have done that they didn't do.

7:49 They definitely should checked those drains. They definitely should have went by the last place that he said he was and confirmed that prior to three months after the murders. Now, another interesting thing that came out so a US Secret Service agent he testified as well, and his testimony was around Paul Murdall's phone and they were having a time getting into that phone. They could not unlock it. Look, you got the best Secret Service agents in the world trying to unlock this phone. They eventually did, and this is going to blow your mind. It was the last thing that they tried before they were going to give up, according to this agent that testified. And you'll never guess what the code was, or maybe you will, because it would have been the first thing that I tried. It was his birthday. His birthday was the code. It took like three months to open that phone, and they tried Paul's birthday and the phone opened. That just blew my mind a little bit. You'd think that been the first thing that would have tried. But sometimes the most obvious answer isn't the answer. You don't even consider that. Several other people testified after that, and we're gonna skip forward to February first of twenty twenty three, which was a Wednesday.

9:11 It was day five, I believe, of the testimony, and Rogan Gibson gets up and testifies. And if you'll remember, Rogan is Paul's best friend. He's also the last person to speak with Paul alive. And also you know he's the guy with the most damning evidence in the case, the most damning by far. So I'm gonna play Rogan's testimony, and like I've done in the past, as key points are brought up, I'm gonna stop the recording and we're gonna talk about it and then we'll continue. So here's what Rogan Gibson's testimony sounded like.

9:52 Where you went to high school? Just a little bit about yourself before we get to your testimony. I went to wead Ahampton High School. I'm from Hampton, all right, And you're working now, I am, all right, what field do you work in? The agriculture? Feel? All right? Why don't you see if you can pull that mic up just a little bit and screwed up just a hair, so you're speaking into it. I appreciate it. You you said you're working in agriculture. Is that right, that's correct, and currently still working in agriculture. That's correct. Back in June or twenty twenty one? What were we doing working in agriculture? That's correct? What kind of job did you have? I was farming, operating equipment, operating equipment. And let me ask you, did you I get to know Paul Murdoch?

10:37 I did, all right, And tell me how old were you when you got to know Paul Murdon. I've known them all my life, real good. Probably when I was eleven twelve years old? And how did y'all get to meet one another? How did you become clutchure? I live next to them, okay, and when did that happen? When I was eleven twelve years old? Eleven twelve, y'all went to school together. Paul was a little bit younger than me. I didn't go to school with him. Okay. When y'all were growing up? What kind of things y'all like to do? To go? We enjoyed the outdoors, hunting, fishing, hanging around the farm. Were you close friends with Paul until the day he was murdered? I was. Tell the dream just a little bit about Paul. It's a little sense of who he was as a person.

11:18 He loved outdoors, hunting, fishing, hanging around, really enjoyed the the farm out there, Moseille. If I got to be around he was. Over the years, as you got to be closer friends with Paul, did you get to be. Closer friends with the rest of the family I was? And was that just Paul and his brother and his parents or was it sort of the Murdochs, the larger family as well. The whole family. And over those years as you became close with him, how close would you say? How close? Did you become real close like a second family, like a second family to you.

12:00 Sir. Paul? Did you have a nickname for him or did he have a nickname? Rooster? Uh? His brother Buster? Did he have a name or a nickname? Called him bus bus? Uh? What'd you call Maggie Miss Maggie? Okay? What did you call him? Mister Randolph? Paul's grandfather, handsome? Handsome? How about miss Libby his his wife, Paul's grandmother? Uh? How about Maggie's parents? Did you have nicknames for them? Called him Papa Tea and Grandma Popa Tea and Grandma m a r. At the end, that's correct. What'd you call Ali mister a big head, mister Hale, like a big red.

12:48 You said they were like a second family too, that's correct. Being that close to this family, did you frequently go out to Moselle. All the time? Did you ever go to Did they have other properties too that you ever went to? And did where were the other properties they had? And hold up with sirens if you were what were the other properties that they had Edistope Beach? We went there a lot. They had a house at Usto Beach, it's correct, and any other properties while you were growing up that you recall. The property in Anna, the house in Anna. Did they ultimately sell that property? They didn't? You remember about how long ago? That was not real sure when you would go out? When did they get Mozelle? I mean just roughly.

13:42 I believe it was like my freshman year in high school, so fourteen, twenty fourteen something like that. No, it was I graduated fourteen, so probably around twenty ten maybe, Okay, And. Over the years, as you spent a lot of time out there, I did what were some. Of the things that you would do with Paul out there? We would hunt fish, hang around, right around the property. Yeah, work the food plots equipment. I got states three or three right here. Let's post a board. Can I ask you to come on down with the judge permission? And let's uh, let's kind of point out some things. To the jury.

14:24 H M. All right? Do you recognize this image? And what is that? Keep your voice up if you code en so pitch her and go over view of the Mozille property? Okay? And where's the residence in this picture right here? All right? And is there a driveway to that residence through the main driveways? All right? Do you see Moseille Road on this particular image going right down there? All right? Uh? What's uh? What's this red roof building right there? That's the airplane hanger? Okay? And uh did you have name for that? You call it the hanger? The shot of the hangar? Uh? Any other structures out there?

15:07 That was the newer ship the track shed don't kennel? Okay? And that's the skin and shed, skin and shed and just real quick west the skin and sheds process. Wow, game out there? Game out there? Was there a driveway uh to that part of the property? Is that where I went right there? What's that that's where I went right there that you just pointed. Yeah, the driveway to the fields right now? Was that driveway commonly used? Was there? What's the structure right here? That's the old cabin, the hunting cabin, okay? And how about across the street?

15:49 Was there was there any structures across the street? All right? Well? Was it there across the shooting house? All right? And can you just point roughly where that'd be right at the top of picture? Okay? All right? And what is this right here? Pawn? All right? And when y'all were what was the shooting house used for youn sight in right? For shooting kind of that angle? It was a tarnet down here? Would y'all shoot rifles from the shooting house? Would what about shotguns? Would y'all shoot those over that shooting area? Yeah? Most of them shot them around the pawn, around the pond, that's correct. Okay? Is this a lot of trees right here? And on the other side of that line of trees? What did y'all call that the dove field?

16:34 Okay? All right, you can go ahead and have to seek for him. Thanks. You uh mentioned that y'all liked to ride the property and shoot property, shoot and hunt out there? Is that right? That's correct? What kind of hunting would ye do out there? Anything we could hunt? Okay, we'll give me some examples if you would please. Hog hunt deer, turkeys, hog hunting deer and turkeys, du quail. Let me ask you this turkey season. Do you know when that is in South Carolina? It's like March, mid March to early May.

17:20 Okay, all right, so it's a very fairly short period of time of that time period. That's great. You mentioned Hoggs. First, tell me about the hawk hunting. What would y'all How would y'all go hawk hunt? A lot of times? We'd shoot them at night with a thermal scope? Okay? And what weapon would y'all use to to shoot those. Hogs with a thermal scope? Three hundred blackout? Yeah? And whose weapon was that? I think it was Busters? Well, tell me about what you know about the blackouts. Now, the family got those blackouts. They bought two of them, one for Paul and one for Buster. Okay, and you know, can you describe those two did you see both of them back. In the day?

18:00 They? Yes, they were they were similar building. One was black, one was like a green tannish color, okay? And did anything ever happen to one of them? Yes, one of them was stolen? Okay? And were you present when that happened or around when that happen? I wasn't president. I was just told about it, all right. And what was the story you were told about that? I was told somebody took it out of Paul's truck at a party. At a party. How long ago was that? I'm not exactly, sir, I mean years. Yes, it's been five six years probably. Okay, let me show you something real quick.

18:45 I'm gonna show you what's already been entered into evidence at State's one six y three. And when have you look at that damage? And particularly what's there on that pool table? Do you recognize that. That's a picture of a three hundred blackout right? And is that not the one that you and Paul would take gun? Yes, that's one of them. Uh, you said one guy stolen to your knowledge? Was there ever a replacement? Gun? I don't remember a replacement. You don't remember replacement? You remember Paul using the black one? Is that right? That's creator either the green and tan one before. It was stolen, Before I was stolen, that's correct, five or six years ago? Correct? What other guns did Paul use a lot? Did he favored? He favored a super black Eagle shotgun? Twelve gage?

19:31 All right, let me show you another image if I could. I'm gonna show what's already been metted into evidence in states three and see if you recognize that I do? All right, tell me what that is. That's a super black Eagle all right? And do you specifically recognize that guy? Yes? And what gun is that? That's Paul the gun? And how can you tell the cameo pattern? Then the stramp? Would Paul frequently have weapons with him when he was on the property or in his truck. Or that sort of thing? He would what sort of weapons would he have frequently have with them?

20:12 A lot of times he carried the three hundred blackout in his vehicle, and then I mean sometimes pistols, different shotguns, all right? Will he carry that shotgun a lot as well? Yes? I have seen him carry that shotgun. We'll show you what's been prequently you haven't enured in to have it. That's the stakes. Four. We give me a favorite study box of gloves right here. We just put them on the four behind you and just come out of the way. I'm gonna have you looking here and see if you recognized that that's super black equ three of Paul's. That's Paul's favorite shotgun. That's correct. What about deer? Did he have a weapon he liked hunting deer with? He did? It was some millimeter a week? Okay.

20:56 Did Paul ever have any pistols to your knowledge, or carry around any pistols? He did sometimes sometimes? What were his favorite two guys or the most gussy. Most commonly had around? Probably that three hundred and super black Eagle, that's the ones I seen used the most. Tell me about a little bit about the uh the hot hunt. You said y'all would hunt them a night. That's correct, all right, And tell me how that works. What would y'all do? You're walking around, y'all widing around, riding around? How does that go? Most time we drove four wheeler vehicle, We didn't hardly have a walk. But that scope, the thermal scope would pick up the heat. Okay, and we're on the property. Would y'all hide all over the hogs? You hunt all over? That's correct?

21:43 When you and Paul were together hunting with that blackout. Did you usually have the gun and shooting or did Paul usually have. The gun and shooting? It just depends who had the gun more, probably Paul. One guy's driving, the other guys looking. That's correct. Is that something y'all did frequently? A good bit, Yes, sir. If y'all ever kill the hog, what would y'all do with Sometimes we would give it to people that wanted to butcher it. Sometimes we just let natures take us course, just leave it wherever it was shot at. They just depends. Sometime we just skin them out ourselves, or hogs and duisance down them they are.

22:28 We're talking a little bit about Paul and who he was. How was Paul and his cell phone? He was on his cell phone a lot. Let me ask you a little bit about miss Maggie. You mentioned before that the family had a couple of properties in the summertime. Where did miss Maggie prefer to stack? She'd like to stay at any time? And did you know why she preferred at a start? Because of the yellow flies at Moseille, the yellowflies, that's correct. What about Paul and Allen? Where would they stay most of sound? Well, Paul, if he was back home each day at Moseille, but a lot of times he was in Columbia or Charleston. Did you have an apartment in Charleston, Not, to my knowledge, in Charleston, I'm sorry, in Columbia and Columbia, yes, okay, thank you.

23:19 Back in June seventh of tweeny twenty one, you were working in agriculture. That's correct. Working in farming, that's correct, hard work, yes, sir. What time do you have to get up in the morning and go to work? Normally get up about five o'clock five o'clock. Where were you staying at that point in time? I was staying at my girlfriend's house in Beaufort. In Beaufort, I have to say her last name? What was her first name? Mary Anne? Mary Anne? And why are we saying at Hewford at that period? At that point time, was that where. Your house was or not? No, my house was not there. I was working on Saint Helena. It made it a closer ride for me to go to work, all right. So you're saying with a girlfriend because of that, that's correct.

24:00 Did you have a dog at that time? I did? And uh, what kind of dog? Chocolate? Lamb chocolate lamb. I still have the chocoate lab I do. What's the dog's name? Cash? Cash? How old was cash about that time? I'm guessing some he was a puppy for six months old? Maybe? Did you? Were you able to keep cash with you when you were staying at your girlfriends in Beaufort? I was not able to And why was that? Because she wasn't allowed she was renting the house. We couldn't keep one there. What arrangements did you make for cash when you were staying in Beaufort when you couldn't keep him at your girlfriend's house? That would leave him at the kennel's at Moselle. And tell me how that came to be? How'd you work that out?

24:42 And asked mister Elick, if I could leave him there, I'd be going on the week at a time, leave him there for a week, picking back up when I come back home on the weekend. All right? Did you leave food for him? That sort of thing? I did? So? Where was he saying when he was at Moselle during the week when you were working into kennel in kennel describe the kentl's. A little bit for the for the jury. What was the structure. Like like a lean to shed with about eight somewhere around eight kennels under feed. Room on the end, and cash was staying in one of those. That's correct. You'd go get him on the weekend. Friday night or either Saturday. Where would you take him?

25:25 Then back to my house? All right? And just where were you living at that time in Collin County? You get up five am and get to work. By the time you get to work working farm. Him, I'd roughly get to work somewhere around seven, seven thirty seven. And then what time would you get off? It all depended what time would you get at five six seven o'clock. Just depending on how much work need to get done. It's correct. Were you pretty tired when you got hat? I was. During the course of that day June seventh of twenty twenty one. Did you have any communications with Paul?

26:10 I did? What's the first one? You remember? Sometime around lunchtime? All right? What'd y'all communicate? Did y'all talk on phone, y'all text or what? Yeah? I think he called me and told me about the sunflowers had been sprayed in the Doue Hill and they were dead. Say What did he say by that said that he was getting ready to replant them. They've been sprayed with some round up or something, that's correct. Did y'all talk about anything else that you remember? Not that I remember, well, I'm thinking about it. I asked you about Paul's use of a cell phone. You know where he kept his cell. Phone when it wasn't in his hand most of the time, in his pockets? Was he typically wanted to respond pretty quick to you talking about something. Normally, Yeah, we were talking about something. He would respond pretty quick.

26:57 That evening. Well, I did you Paul? Did you talk to Paul again after that initial conversation? I did, all right? And when was that roughly around eight forty okay? And what was that conversation about? He called and said, asked if something was wrong with the dog's tail? Okay? And was that the first you were hearing about that? That's correct. Tell me about your conversation. I told him that, you know, I wasn't real sure. I just dropped him off there Sunday and told him, let's try to see if he can get me a picture or FaceTime in let me see what was going on with the dog's tail. All right, Where was Paul when he called you? He was at the dog kennels.

27:40 And how do you know that I could hear the dogs barking in the original call? Is he describing to you what he's seeing on Cash's tail? That's correct, and Cash was at the kennels he was. Did you hear any other voices when you were on the phone with Paul about eight forty? I did? And what voices did you hear? I heard miss Maggie Lost. Did you hear and I thought that mister Alec? Did I hear? You thought it was mister Ellick? Very key point there. Remember Alex said he was not at those kennels at that time. What he did not know was that Paul had talked to Rogan during the time that Alec was actually at those kennels or Elick if you pronounce it that way, and you can hear Elick in the background. And remember this police estimate those murders took place at eight fifty and Rogan, as you just heard, he's saying, it was like eight forty when he was talking to Paul. But we continue, you talked.

28:44 To Paul, and what did y'all talk about? What was he going to do. He was going to try to FaceTime me, he said, United services out here. He said, if I can't get a FaceTime to go through, I'll send you a video. And why was he going to FaceTime you? Was the ever swing FaceTime and regular call? So I could see what the dog? What was wrong with a dog? And y'all talked about how the service is out here. That's correct, And what do you mean by that? Most of the time you got enough service to make a call. I mean sometimes calls and break up, but a FaceTime couldn't really get a whole lot of service to make a FaceTime call. It's kind of lagging. Y'all had problems with that before, that's correct. Did y'all discuss what to do with the FaceTime didn't work?

29:24 We did? And what was the discussion? He was gonna send me a video of it of the dog. He was going to video and then do what weather text it to you? That's correct? Is that the last time you ever talked to your friend? That was? Did y'all try to FaceTime? We did? Did it work? It came through, but it was kind of lagging. I couldn't tell what was going on, And then never heard from him again, that's correct. Did you ever get that video? I did not. After you never got the video, did you try to reach back out to Paul to see if you could get him to response.

30:06 I did. I called him a few times, Anne Texay. Did he ever respond? He didn't. Did you reach out to anyone else trying to get Paul to respond? I texted Miss Maggie. Did she respond? She didn't. About what time you think you went to bed that night, I'm not exactly sure. It was sometime right after I probably tried to contact him. And you never heard from Miss Maggie either, I didn't. Did you ever talk to her at all that day? I didn't. What time about? What time you think you went to bed? I'm gonna say somewhere around ten o'clock ten o'clock. You're a pretty sound asleeper, that's COREGT been working on the farm all day, that's Corregt.

30:48 Did some calls come in that you didn't realize as you were asleep? Yes? I woke up with some, Miss Costs. What times you wake up the next morning? Sometime around five five thirty? When'd you find out that your friend Paul and his mother, Maggie had been murdered. At that same time five thought thirty. How'd you find out? I called one of my friends. Did it left me? Or I had a misscall from? And he told me what had happened? All right? And tell me his first name? Place? No one? What'd you do after that? We got a little boy up and got him to school without talking about it a whole lot, and then we headed back home.

31:32 And by hoom, you mean Collinson County, College County, that's correct? And where'd you go from there? I went to my house first, then I ended up going to Moseille by the time you think you got. There sometime maybe eight thirty nine o'clock. What'd you see when you got there? Where'd you go on the property? I went to the dog kennels. And who'd you see there? Or you talk to anyone there? I did? And I seen John Marvin, but I didn't speak to him. Did you talk to anybody at the scene when you first went there? The only person I seen was John Martin? What did you do after that? Uh? My cousin let dog out to kennel that be in cash, that's correct? Did you take cash with you? I did?

32:18 And where Joe god from there? To the convenience store down the river from house. And who'd you meet there? I met a game Morton, okay. And what did you do after that? What did you have a conversation? I did. I haven't had a conversation with him. And he said that law enforcement was going to be wanting to speak with me, and I told him, I said, well, if you got a contact, let's get him up here and let's talk. And so did you wait for law enforcement to arrive? I did? Do you remember who you talked to? I didn't. Then who'd you talk to Jeff Croft and Katie McAllister? And did they do an interview with you? They didn't. Did they ask you about your communications with Paul the night before? They did? And did they ask you uh to see your cell phone?

33:02 Hey? Did? Did they take screenshots of your cell phone? That's correct? Were you showing them your communications the night before with Paul and Maggie and others the night before? Yes, sir? Were you holding up the phone and they were taking screenshots? Yes, sir. I'm gonna show you what's been more identification. One six five one sixty six one six seven, one six eight one six nine one seventy one seventy one and one seventy two, and just flip those real quick and see if you recognize those images.

33:53 I do, and what are those? And it's all activity on my phone. Ms Coles takes just out of the bumps. I believe these are inevidents. But just to be clear, one six five, one sixty six one six seven one six eight one six nine one seventy one seven one and one seven to two. Uh, we'll make sure those are ineventans. Move those are in eevidents a week without a jesuit. That's right, okay, admit it, mister Gibson. I'm well put these up on the screen. You got a screen up there, and so take a look at that. Okay, okay, all right? One sixty five Can y'all turn the screen around for me please? And that's a screenshot that Jeff Croft took of your phone. Nuh on June eighth, twenty twenty one, the next day, that's correct, all right? And that reflects they call from who Paul? And which Paul is that pull them or not?

34:46 All right? And what time is that call? Eight forty pm? Then how long does it last? Four minutes? All right? Is that the call you just described to this journey. It is the call y'all were talking about cash the dog and trying to fit you're out the tail it is. I'm going to show you what's been marked was one sixty six. Now again, you told this. Jury that when y'all got off the call, he was gonna try to FaceTime, you know, and if not. Send a video. That's correct, all right, and we'll show you one sixty six. Is that another string shot out of it? It is? And that's the FaceTime call? Is that right? That's correct? Eight forty four PM. That's correct for eleven seconds. That's correct.

35:30 That FaceTime didn't work though, yeah it was. It came through, but it was lagging and couldn't communicate through it, so y'all stopped. That's correct, and you were expecting what after that a video. I'm going to show you what's been marked as states one sixty seven. Are these texts that were on your phone? They are? And here are those texts between? Are you trying to text? Rink there? Down those last two bubbles? I was sending those texts Paul, All right, he's got a little. Glare on it. Well, what time is that text right there? Eight forty nine pm. And that's on June seventh, twenty twenty one, that's correct. And what are you telling Paul right there? Can you read that to the jury and then explain what you were trying.

36:11 To say to Paul? Please see if you can get a good picture of it. Maryam wants to send it to a girl we know in this event. Tell him to sit and stay and he should move around too much. Who were you talking about when you said tell him to sit and stay cash the dog? Did you send another text right here? I did? What time is that? Can you read it? Nine fifty eight pm? What do you say yo? And when you say yo to Paul? What are you trying to get him to do? Just trying to get him to call me back or text me back? Because you haven't got that video? That's correct. Mishe we'sman mark was one sixty eight states? Is that another string shot of your phone? That is these are miss calls from June seventh, twenty twenty one, that's correct, or these are out going calls? They are Who are you trying to call Paul up? Tell me the times you tried to call him start from the bottom, please.

37:04 Nine ten pm, nine twenty nine pm, nine two pm, nine fifty seven pm. Did he ever respon? No, sir, show westbron Mark to States one sixty nine? Is that another screen shot of your phone? It is? Who are you trying to call? Right there? Oh? What's that last call? Ten oh eight pm? Did he answer that call? He did not? Show Wes from Mark to States one seventy Is that another string shot of your phone? It is? And who are you trying to text right here? Miss Maggie?

37:45 What time did you try to text her? Nine thirty four pm? And what did you text her? Tell Paul to call me? Tell Paul to call me? Yes, sir? Did she ever respond? She did not. You said you woke up the next morning on June eighth, twenty twenty one, and you saw you had some miscalls? Is that right? It's correct. I'm going to show you as what's been marked as States one seventy one? Was this also a stream shot or a picture that specializing crawl took off your phone? It is? All right? And who are those miss calls from mister Hellick? And what time did they come in?

38:29 Ten twenty one pm and ten twenty four pm? And did you that would have been on June seventh, twenty twenty one. That's correct. Were you asleep at that time? I was unaware they were coming in? That's correct. One seven two? Is that another screenshot of your phone? It is all right? And those other miscalls that came. In ten twenty five pm and ten thirty pm. When you spoke to Special Asia Croft on June eighth, twenty twenty one, did you tell him and Special Asia McAllister who you thought you heard on that phone call at eight forty?

39:11 I did? And who did you say you heard? I thought it was mister Ellick, but I wasn't exactly sir. Did you give him a percentage? I did? What'd you say nine nine percent that you heard mister Allac on my phone call at eight forty? That's correct? Time went on after the murders. Did you go to Moseille where all the family and friends were gathering? I did? Were you there Fairmountain? Probably the whole part of that or that later that week. While you were there at the house where the family and friends had gathered, did anyone ever ask you about your last contact with Paul? There was and who asked you? Grandma and that being missus Brand's daughter, that's correct.

39:53 Maggie's mother, that's correct. And what did you say? Told her, Yeah, that I talked to Paul about the dog and told her. Did I hear miss Maggie in the background and I heard a male voice. That I thought I was miss Tell it was he in the room? Then? Yes, did he stand up and say no, I wasn't there. He didn't huge huge point right there made by Creighton Waters. You got Rogan telling the family that he heard both Maggie and Alec in the background of that phone call. Yet Alec doesn't say a word. To the contrary, if he were not at those kennels, I submit to you, he would have done just what Creighton Waters insinuated. He would have made that clear to everyone right then and there that he wasn't there. But he just sits on the couch and does not say a word.

40:55 We continue, did you You were ultimately interviewed by law enforcement and other part of the process and that sort of thing. Is that correct? That's correct? And as time went on and you were asked about who you heard on the phone that night that call at eight forty, you said, Hey, I thought it was Alec, but I. Can't be sure that's correct. Told law enforcement the night of ninety nine percent sure correct? Say that question again? Please told law enforcement the next day, June eighth, that you were ninety nine percent sure? Is that correct? That's correct? Time went on? You said, I thought it was Alec, but I can't be sure that's correct. In November of twenty twenty two, did law enforcement ask you to come in.

41:40 And look at a video? They did? And did you watch that video? I did? And what was on that video? It was the video Paul was supposed to take a cash? Was on the video? And did you hear recognize the voices on there? I did? Did you recognize the voices of your second family? I did? And what voices did you hear? Paul's Miss Maggie, Miss Dellick? And how sure are you now? Positive? One hundred percent that's correct. Did you ever have any conversation with ELC Murdoch about what happened that night?

42:21 No sure? Did he ever ask you about whether or not you heard him on that phone that night? No sure? Before we play the video, I want to ask a couple more questions. Received that phone call from Paul at the kennels at eight forty pm on the night of June seventh, twenty twenty one. Did Paul sound normal to you? He did? Did he sound stressed to you? He did not. Did he sound like someone was there that he didn't know? No? Sure? Did he sound worried? He didn't. Did you hear Maggie's voice? I did. Did she sound stressed? She didn't. Did she sound worried? Now?

43:03 Did she sound normal? She didn't. Did she sound like there was somebody there she didn't know, or that she was in danger enough? Did you or Alex voice what I thought was his voice at the time. Yeah. When Maggie or Paul would go down to the kennels, how would they usually get there? It would drive sometimes this Maggie would walk or ride a bike. If they had an eighteen year golf cart into the yard, sometimes they would drive that. Paul more likely would be one to ride or one one to drive down there. Most of the time he would drive. Was it usual for the family to go down there sometimes and let the dogs out?

43:45 It was let him run around, That's correct. Didn't miss Maggie like to do that? She did. With a cod to your knowledge, for guns to be left down at the kennels sometimes there was ye, and we'll play that video for you. Okay, h.

45:04 Hey got now. Yeah, baksh. Wife's back of remember twenty twenty two it is? Where is that video taken at the kennels? You recognize your dog?

45:45 I Do you recognize Paul's voice? Yes, sir? You recognize Maggie's voice? Yes, sir? You recognize Alex's voice? Yes, sir, one hundred percent, yes, sir. Can you point out Alec Murdock, the person whose voice you were organizing this video in this. Courtroom place, sitting right at a great jack. Please let the record reflect he's identified the defendant. Thank you, mister up nothing for it, all right. So you just heard the clip of that video, that infamous video, the nail and the coffin, in my opinion, and you and I we have not been a part of the Murdall family like Rogan has practically you know, the other son to Big Red or Elick. Yet from hearing that, I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty, I would testify to it in a court of law that that was Alex Murdall's voice without any hesitation. I can tell you that, and I'm sure you can too.

46:49 After hearing that, so the prosecution rest in. It's the defense turn. How you doing? We've met many times, haven't we, Yes, sir? Tell the jury more about Paul. Please? What what did y'all like to do together? We loved hunting, fishing, just hanging around. We love staying at the beach, going to the sandbar. He was he could get along with just about anybody.

47:31 See one of your best friends. He is this a hard. Day for you, yes, sir. And did you live one summer in the cabin there on. The proper yes, Meet Busher and Nolan lived in the cabin and ball. Was there a lot? And and when you got a house of your own, I think, I mean it was just right down the road, wasn't it, Yes, sir, down Moselle Road. Yes, sir, it was your grandparents house or you moved into, that's correct. And but before that, Ms Maggie and Big Red over here, mister Alec, I mean they treated you as family, didn't they.

48:14 That's correct, they did. And Paul was like a brother to you, yes, sir. And Miss Maggie was like a second mom to you, yes, sir. And mister Allen was like a second dad, Yes, sir, he was. And could you tell the jury how what you observed Alex's relationship was starting with you? What was his relationship with you? We had a good relationship. I mean he treated me like one of his own. We we had fun. He he gave me permission to haunt the property.

48:56 Did you have permission to come and go and down the shot? I didn't. Did you have permission to have used any equipment? Yes, sir? And did you help out on the on the farm for game management stuff? I didn't? And and can you tell the Jerry a little bit about mister Alex's relationship with his son Paul. Very good relationship. We were they close, nothing happened without Paul. Tell them a static about. And did Jerry's heard some interviewed on the tape? Uh various about how the Moselle property was Paul's passion it was?

49:43 You agree with that, yes, sir? Why do you think it was his passion? What? Why? What was he so passionate about out there? He just loved hunting and what using the equipment to manage for a wild game fishing? Right? He loved all that. It was Paul a good friend, yes, sir, Was he a loyal friend? He was was a loyal son, Yes, sir, Tell me about miss Maggie. She was like a second mother to me. I always took care of me, treated me like one of hers.

50:30 Did you spend time with down to edist and you and Paul and Miss Maggie sometimes just the three of you there down there? It was okay? What what did miss Maggie like to do? She liked the beach. When they were down in Edisto. Was it were you the only friend welcome at the Eddystone house or or what. Was it like there was many friends that were welcome to the house. Like adult friends. Or was it was most miss Maggie, miss Alex home. Was it open to all of Paul and Butter's friends?

51:17 It was open to all of Paul and Buster's friends. Was that the case of Edistone that's correct? Was that the case of Moiselle? The What did did it appear to you that mister Alec enjoyed being around his family? Yes, sir, he didn't. And did you enjoy being around mister Alec and Miss Maggie? Yes, sir, you remember, and I apologize them and get the date wrong.

52:03 But do you remember in early twenty nineteen that Paul was in a boating accent, Yes, sir. And a beautiful young woman died in that accident, don't they, Yes, sir. Her name was Malory Beach. That's correct. And and Paul was eventually charged, Is that correct? Yes, sir. Did did Paul receive any threats or erasmus that you knew about as a result of that voting action? Knowing that I thought it was real serious? Something he mentioned it that you know he did? People calmed down about it, but nothing do I thought it was real serious?

52:44 Did Did he with people just mouthed off to him when he went out bars or just with. His friends, Yes, sir, he had mentioned out. But was there anything that that you thought was serious in nature? No? A lot of times I wasn't there when that happened. I didn't think it was that serious. Let me let me let me back up. I skipped over something you played? You played sports when you're a kid growing up, Yes, sir. I think your dad was a coach, was he? Yes, sir? And was mister Alec a coach to Paul and Buster?

53:24 He was? And uh did mister All when he wasn't coaching would him and Maggie come to all the sporting events for the kids. They were always there. Can you think of them ever missing a sporting event for Buster or Paul? Nothing I can remember. And they come to your sporting events. Yes, now was and Paul had an apartment in twenty twenty one he was starting to go back to school at Carolina and remember that he was in college school year, that's correct.

54:18 And in June he had moved back to he'd moved back home. Was that Cray? Yes, sir. Was he living at Mozille for the most part. I think he was staying at Mozilla's Sun, but kind of all over the place. And sometimes he stayed with his uncle John Marmon down and Blufton. And he was working with Uncle John Marmon when that's correct. Now, when he was on the farm, when he was at Mozille. This this gets a little confusing for me. I frankly, Well, let me just ask, can you tell Jerry A all the farm trucks there at Moselle.

55:04 Yeah, there was a lot of different vehicles. They could be used anywhere from ATV's attractors. Well, let's just talk about the trucks. What what was. Paul's primary truck around the farm most of the time. F two to fifty, all right. But what was his primary mode of transportation? Was it a truck? It was F one fifty And was it white? It was okay? And then and then and did he drive that around the farm? So sometimes yes. And then there was a big F two fifty, that's correct. And that was also white, wasn't it. That's correct. Does that have a name, the f big F two to fifty farm truck?

55:44 Yeah, white boy. That was the older F two to fifty. And then there was another one called Dolly. That's correct. That was a newer F two fifty. That was a newer F two fifty. And then there was a was there a black truck? There was and that was one it was and was that Buster's old truck? It was? So there were just and then so Buster had a excuse me, So Buster had a another vehicle, and his old F one fifty stayed at Moseille. Right, that's correct. And then Paul had his white one fifty pickup. And then where he was not at Mozille, there was still three other trucks at Mozille, right, that's correct. Dolly white boy and then Buster's old black pickup.

56:43 That's correct. And when Paul was there, he would drive any one of those trucks, wouldn't he, Yes, sir, on the farm, and no matter which one he was driving, he would most often have a some sort of firearm in the truck. Right, that's correct. Most of the time, I'll farm, you had a firearm in the vehicle. And those trucks they would either stay down at the shed, the workshop, or or at the house, I mean the no set place for them, correct, that's correct. And they didn't lock the trucks up, did they not normally? I mean's And then Paul would leave guns in the trucks, wouldn't he. That's correct?

57:24 And Paul would leave guns everywhere just about, wouldn't he. Yeah, he could leave. He left a lot of stuff different places. Yeah. Did they ever leave any guns at your house? I'm sure he has over the years. Okay. And then uh, he would leave guns in the workshop, right, I. Have seen guns in the workshop. Yes. And then did they keep the workshop workshop locked? It just depends not a whole lot, but I have remembered it's being locked. Yes, Was it more often not lock than lot?

58:06 Probably? More recent. Yeah, it wasn't locked, did they? If someone were bent on mischief, would it be a hard thing to go up on that property and steal stuff? Probably not around the sheds, It wouldn't be too hard. And if someone were bent on mischief, would be a hard thing to go open up and rifle through or look through white Boy or Dolly or Buster's old black cockup truck. That is possible because. And there were no security cameras down at the at the old airplane hangar, the workshop, the kennels, and the pole barn and skinny sheds real.

58:54 They not that I was ever are? And there were nos in that the cabin. Mhm Were you guys stayed that summer? There was no security cameras there either, right, not that I knew one? And was that cabin that is stay locked? Sometimes there was locked? Sometimes it wasn't. Paul left guns there too, didn't he? I have seen guns in that that cabin for you. I want to I turned this thing upside down. But you talked about handsome who's handsome. Mister Randolph or not?

59:34 And miss Libby is who? Who? Miss Libby? Ye ye? And that's uh Paul and Buster's grandparents. Right, that's correct, and you know where they live, now meet them al Meta and uh, just generally where's Almeta. It's on the outside of Armville. Okay, crossroads and this veer off go toward Ridgeland if you go, if you veer off, if you stay on that road, you go to mc right. If you're coming out of Hampton toward Varnville, then then where the veer off is, that's called Almina.

1:00:15 That's correct. Now to get to Almeda and the most direct route do this right, okay, So can you see from back there? I can? And so this is the main house right here. Okay, that's correct. And you can get down to Mozelle Road by going one or two ways. Right, you can either take a left and go down by the shop and the kennels, or you can go straight out in the main driveway. Is that right? Yes, you can go out both ways. But when you hit Mozelle Road, would you turn right or left? If you go in the most direct route to Almeda.

1:00:55 Turn right and be going down this way. That's correct. You can asked a little bit about Paul's cell phone usage. He was on a lot. He was on it a lot, yes, sir. Yeah. And and did battery get down low pretty regularly? Yes, he would let his phone die sometime or he would lose it well.

1:01:37 And when it would get down low, did he have a habit of, you know, not using it to try to keep him going all the way out? Yes, I have seen that happen before. And have you done that yourself? Yes, sir. And phone coverage cell phone coverage on that property is somewhat When I say that property, I'm talking about Moselle, somewhat spotty. Isn't it it is? And is there is there better coverage up at the house than down at the kennels. I wouldn't. I wouldn't think so, okay kind of hen miss. And you can be down to the kennels and you can be well ten yards one way you'd have some coverage ten yards the other way you wouldn't have coverage.

1:02:19 Is that right? That's correct? Now back up here. You know, we don't have any measurements on on how what this distance is from the kennels to the house. But if you're just driving in a buggy or a car or what have you, I mean, tell the jury roughly how long it would take from in a vehicle go from the kennels to the house. It all depends how fast you driving. But it don't take long to get from the sheds to the house. I mean do it under two minutes, definitely under two minutes.

1:03:00 Fast enough, you do it in a minute or less. I suspect, is that right? Yes, if you're going fast enough, you would be able to make it from the sheds to the house and under the amount. You were asked about turkey season, when and when it started? And when at the ended? You remember and you can tell me. I don't know when's the turkey season starting? Yes, most time mid March to early in May.

1:03:40 How about duck season? When does that start? The first season starts around Thanksgiving? I think the week the weekend before Thanksgiving. And when's the second season start? Sometime in December? And when's it then? End of January? Do you go duck hunting with Paul? Yes, sir, I have. And they had a duck pond on the property, that's correct. And and did they keep it full all year? Do drain it and plan it for the season? Yeah, they would. They would drain it after doak season and be ready to plan in a sprintime. And you helped with that, I did, and with mister Alec be involved help doing that, but he would but and and that was part of Paul's passion doing things like that.

1:04:34 That's correct. Now, waterfowl shells loaded are different than uh, turkey loads, right. That's correct. What's the difference steal shot and m hm, steal shot for what? For dopes? Waterfowl? And and why is it just preferred or is it required? This require because you don't want lead in the water, that's correct. But for hunting purposes, if you just had your choice, would you rather hunt with lead or steal?

1:05:15 Let you out because it has greater knockdown power? It does? Is that why you would rather? Or just price too? I suspect? What's that again? Why would you prefer lead over steal? It has better? Not it's better? Now you were asked questions about three hundred blackouts and at one and one time Paul had his own and Buster had his own. They had two three hundred blackouts. You remember that, I did, And then you heard that Paul had had one stolen of his truck at a party.

1:05:56 That's correct. And and do you remember roughly when. That was I'm not exactly, sir. Years ago, yes, many years ago, and uh, and whenever when in recent memory, did have you ever seen Paul with a three hundred blackout other than the black one with the thermal scope? Not to my knowledge, So whenever. You were with Paul and he had a three hundred blackout, it was the black one with the thermal scope, that's correct. Did you ever see three hundred blackout around the house that was black without a thermal scope?

1:06:38 Not to my knowledge, I hadn't. And just a jurious heard of what's the thermal scope. Picks up the heat from the animal. You can see it at nighttime because of the heat for night hunting, that's correct. And that's the best time to hut hawgs. It is. Well, during the daytime they stay in the swamp, that's correct. At night they come out, yes, sir. And you all had you all had cameras out there to see when they were coming out. Sometimes we did. Yeah. Now you you listen to this videotape and heard that that was your dog Cash it was chocolate laugh, yes, sir.

1:07:25 And and you heard miss Maggie, yes, sir, and you heard Paul obviously that's correct. And and Miss Maggie was saying he got a guinny. And then then you heard a voice say, no, it's a chicken. You remember whose voice that was. That was mister Alex that said it the first time. And then Paul so said it was a chicken. Okay, And then and then someone says, Baba, let go of that chick or something like that. Yeah, just holler for Boba. And whose voice you'd recognized?

1:08:06 Hollering for Boba? And who's Bubba? They're dull? Did they have it? Was Bubba? A yellow lab he was. Did Bubba have his own kennel? He did? Which one was it? Most of the time? He was in the first one right beside the feed room. Now, you had talked to Paul. I think the record show you had a four minute telephone conversation before that that video was taken, which you didn't receive until law enforcement showed you. But you remember you talked to Paul for about four minutes, right, that's correct. And I believe when when you were interviewed, you said it sounded like mister Alick had had pulled up or something to that.

1:08:56 I think driven up. Do you remember that now? I don't ever remember here in a vehicle, okay. I just remember hearing a third. Voice, and the and the next day, excuse me, what's was it? Was it the eighth? The next day you went over and met with and went into the house at Moiselle, and you saw Maggie's parents, That's correct. And and that's when Grandma, miss brand said her ask you if you heard Maggie's voice, yes, okay, and you told her you did, told her.

1:09:39 I heard I talked to Paul and heard miss. Maggie and and you told him, told him and in front of everybody that you had I thought you had heard Alex's voice too, right, that's correct. And he didn't push back whatsoever? Sir? What What was alex demeanor when you first saw him after the murders and days after what he. Was just real, real distraught, sad, just tore up about it. Did he cry a lot? Yes, sir? Did he hug you he did? Did he cry yes, sir? Did you cry? Yes, sir?

1:10:23 I mean you cry the day after and the day after. I mean that was really sad. Right on this video. You've been around Alix, Maggie, Paul most of all your life. Was there any did you notice any signs of distress or anxiety or anything out of the ordinary. I did not, mm hmm and uh. And you've been around Maggie and Alix and their whole family a. Lot, almost all of my life, yes, sir.

1:11:04 And would you see Alick openly show his display of affection and love to Maggie, Yes, sir. And from your observation, they have a close, good relationship. That's correct. And they were loving to each other and to Paul and Buster and their friends. Correct, that's correct. And you can can you think of any circumstance that you can envision, knowing them as you do, where Alick would brutally murder Paul and Maggie. Not that I can thank them. Thank you. That's all the questions that thanks. Further, you're asking questions about the shed's being unlocked. All ever complained to you people were up there stealing all kinds of stuff all the time.

1:11:58 I was never aware of people stealing it. When you talked to Paul and heard Maggie and l like at eight forty, is. There any problem with that voice call or did it come through just fine? The reception was good. The call came through. Yes, And the last conversation you had with Paul was he was going to do what if the FaceTime didn't work. Send me a video? And he never did. That's correct. You've heard that video and you hear three voices. Is that correct, Maggie, Paul and mister Alick. In the video? Yes, sir. When you're.

1:12:44 Standing, if you're at the house or inside the house on the second floor or something like that, can you see the roofs of the sheds and down there? The last time I had been out there, yes, you would be able to see the top of the structure. And if you're standing out here in front of them shuts, could you see the top of the house the other way? Same thing? Yeah, last time I was there, you would be able to see the top of the structure. There was trees growing between the houses, and. That was a long time ago, right, that's correct.

1:13:33 Down there at the shuts, did they have like outdoor lighting down there? Yes, sir, they did. And if all that was on, could you see all that lighting from the house. Yes, you would be able to see that there were lights on from the house. If those lights were on, it'd be pretty well let up, is that right? If all of them were yes. You're asked about the boat rack. Were you aware that Paul had been charged in that boat rack? That was? Were you aware that Alec Murdock had been sued in that boat rack? That was?

1:14:14 What was your perception of Alex's wealth? Did you believe he was fairly wealthy man? Yes? Sir? How long have you known Alec Murdoch? Pretty much all my life? As you sit here today, did you really know him? Rule? Yes, I knew miss sell It. But as you said here today, do you really know him? Yes? I know? Missll It my all time favorite based boring attorney. I mean, I want to say, I don't mean that nefariously, but Godly man Jim Gruffin will put you to sleep sometimes he got his ass whipped in that exchange once again by creating waters. I just don't think Jim Griffin was.

1:15:09 The guy. For this trial. Now. I don't know if the best attorney on God's green Earth would have helped Alec Murdall at this point or Elc Murdoch, however you pronounce it. But man, somebody needs a lot of firecracker up Jim Griffin's ass. He drives me nuts. So there you have it. Once again a big whim for the prosecution and creating waters and we're gonna get like Ricky Bobby with this thing, and we're gonna go fast. Now we're coming up on twenty twenty five. I need to wrap this series up, and we still got a little ways to go, but it's only gonna get better from here on out. We're about to really heat up with some witnesses that you're gonna have to hear, including Murder himself, So get ready for that. Now, a couple of announcements. Next week is Christmas Week, so I'm gonna give you some special drops next week and on Monday, I'm dropping a special ask Me Anything episode. Now, I put something out there on Facebook as well as the Patreon.

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