Kevin Spacey’s Real Life House of Cards

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Kevin Spacey had it all, his
choice of directors, his choice of movies,

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and was the current star of the
biggest hit in Netflix's history with House

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of Cards. Then on October twenty
ninth, twenty seventeen, that House of

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Cards came tumbling down. First,
in an interview, an actor on Broadway

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named Anthony Rapp acques Spacey of making
sexual advances towards him when he was just

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fourteen years old. Then more accusation
surfaced, and when it was all over,

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the two time Oscar winner was fighting
some fifty six different charges related to

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sexual assault from fifteen different people.
Spacey's life went into a tailspin, fighting

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court case after court case, forcing
Spacey to spend his massive fortune on his

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legal defense. Considered at one time
one of the most powerful men in Hollywood,

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Spacey was exposed as a sexual deviant
taking advantage of young actors seeking Hollywood

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stardom. But was it all alive? Welcome to Exposed, Scandalous files of

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the elite Kevin Spacey's real life House
of Cards. Welcome back to Exposed.

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I'm your host, Jim Chapman,
and we're going to get right into today's

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episode. So if you run down
a list of the best actors of all

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time. Somewhere on there you're likely
going to find the name Kevin Spacey.

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Now, Kevin Spacey's known more recently
for his highly successful Netflix show House of

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Cards. He's a bona fide member, y'all of the Hollywood elite. He

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starred in movies such as La Confidential
seven, one of my favorite movies of

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all times, co star with Brad
Pitt on that One, the Usual Suspects

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in American Beauty, and the latter
two I just mentioned. He actually won

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Oscars for those. He is,
for all intents and purposes, the quintessential

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actor, and up until twenty seventeen, he was among the most powerful people

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in Hollywood. On none everybody wanted
a piece of Spacey, right, that

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is until Anthony Rapp, who was
an actor primarily known for his performances on

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Broadway, alleged in an interview with
BuzzFeed News that Spacey made sexual advances toward

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him when Rap was fourteen and Spacey
was twenty six. Now, in that

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article interview, Rap stated that Spacey
attempted to seduce him at a party.

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This was back in nineteen eighty six, and he said that he and Spacey

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were the only two left at this
party, which incidentally had taken place at

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Spacey's apartment, and according to Rap, he attempted to leave after sensing that

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Spacey was pretty drunk. So as
he's attempting to leave, Spacey picks him

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up off the ground, like imagine
you're a groom and you pick up a

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bride, or you're a bride and
you get picked up by a groom,

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and he carries him over the threshold
into his bedroom, lays him on the

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bed, and lays on top of
him. Then Rap claimed he started squirming

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and pushing Spacey off of him,
and eventually he wiggled away. He said

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that then space he followed him to
the front door of the apartment, leans

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on the frame of that door and
says, are you sure you want to

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go? Rap said, he responded
with the affirmative yes and left. So

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Rap says that in that interview,
which was October twenty ninth of twenty seventeen,

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and that obviously creates a media shit
storm immediately and gets back to Spacey

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right away. I mean, as
you can imagine his pr people are like,

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oh shit, you have got to
respond to this quickly. So that's

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what space he does. He responds
quickly, like the very next day,

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on October thirtieth of twenty seventeen,
and he releases the following statement on Twitter,

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and pay attention because this statement is
very important and plays a big role

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in this story. He says,
I have a lot of respect and admiration

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for Anthony Rapp as an actor.
I'm beyond horrified to hear his story.

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I honestly do not remember the encounter. It would have been over thirty years

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ago. But if I did behave
then as he described, I owe him

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the sincerest apology for what would have
been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior, and I'm

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sorry for the feelings he described to
have carried with him for all these years.

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This story has encouraged me to address
other things about my life. I

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know that there are stories out there
about me, and that some have been

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fueled by the fact that I have
been so protective of my privacy, as

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those closest to me know. In
my life, I've had relationships with both

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men and women. I've loved and
having romantic encounters with men throughout my life,

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and I choose now to live as
a gay man. I want to

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deal with this honestly and openly,
and that starts with examining my own behavior.

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So that was Spacey's I guess statement
on Twitter in response to what Anthony

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Rapid said. Let's talk about the
timing of this accusation, because that's very

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important too. This is the time
when Harvey Weinstein's case had just blown up.

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Me too. Movement was pretty much
in full throttle, and there were

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a frenzy of people getting dragged into
many, many things, especially in Hollywood,

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which he explains why Spacey was so
quick to respond. That statement.

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Incidentally, was also the first time
Spacey ever came out as gay, which

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created even more problems for the actor. As a matter of fact, the

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CEO of the LGBTQ organization named Sarah
Ellis posted on Twitter the following this is

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not a coming out story for Spacey, but a survivorship story by Anthony Rapp,

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and those who speak out against unwanted
advances in the media should not gloss

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over that she was offended because she
felt like Spacey was was basically using the

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fact that he was coming out as
a gay man to deflect from what happened

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with Anthony rap Then just a couple
of days later, on November one of

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twenty seventeen, Spacey's rap Stacy Wolf, issues a statement and she said that

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Spacey was seeking evaluation and treatment,
but she really didn't go into specifics on

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that. That's really all she said. That was on Twitter, that's where

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statements are apparently released now. The
following day, on November two of twenty

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seventeen, she ends her representation of
Spacey along with his talent agency Creative Artist.

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Then, on November third of twenty
seventeen, just five days after Rap

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did that BuzzFeed interview, Spacey is
fired from Netflix's biggest hit at that time,

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the most successful show that they had, House of Cards. Five days.

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Y'all, all of this happened in
that short time period with absolutely no

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proof of any of Rap's statements containing
so much as a shed of truth.

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But think about it, it's the
timing Harv Weinstein at that time had Hollywood

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pretty much scared shitless of even so
much as an allegation of sexual harassment,

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rape, any of that stuff.
Then it gets progressively worse for Spacey.

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On November eighth, several more allegation
surface, and y'all, you will see

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this with a lot of cases.
Sometimes it's true and sometimes it's opportunistic people

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just jumping on a bandwagon. A
former news anchor named Heather Unrew makes a

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claim that Spacey sexually assaulted her son
the prior year when her some was working

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as a busboy in a restaurant.
The alleged victim was eighteen at the time

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and straight. Then on November sixteenth, twenty seventeen, just two weeks y'all

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after this all started, the Old
Vic Theater in London, where Spacey was

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on the board as artistic director,
announced they were investigating some twenty instances of

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alleged inappropriate behavior against Spacey during his
time there, which was from two thousand

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and four to twenty fifteen. So
life obviously sucks for Spacey at this time,

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and if these charges are true,
rightfully so. But he spends the

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next year fighting allegations coming from everywhere, and then on Christmas Eve of twenty

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eighteen, Spacey gets criminally charged with
sexual assault in the case against that news

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anchor's son, the Enra family.
They also bring a civil lawsuit at that

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time. The same day, Spacey
puts out a video on his YouTube channel,

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and he's dressed in a Santa costume
is Christmas Eve, so that sort

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of makes sense. And he titles
that video let Me Be Frank. And

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in this video he appears to be
acting in character as Frank Underwood, and

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that was his character on House of
Cards. But it was for sure a

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sideways way of sending a message to
those who he felt were lying about him,

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and maybe even a warning to Hollywood
itself. You see, by stepping

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into the role of Frank Underwood for
this video, Spacey can maintain what's none

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as plausible deniability in either court because
he was only acting right. It's actually

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pretty genius. And here's what that
sounded like. I know what you want.

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Oh sure they may have tried to
separate us, but what we have

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is too strong. It's too powerful. I mean, after all, had

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everything you and I. I told
you my deepest, darkest secrets. I

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showed you exactly what people are capable
of. I shocked you with my honesty,

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but mostly I challenged you and made
you think, and you trusted me

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even though you knew you shouldn't.
So we're not done, no matter what

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anyone says. And besides, I
know what you want. You want me

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back. Of course, some believed
everything and had just been waiting with bated

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breath to hear me confess at all. They're just dying to have me declare

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that everything said is true and that
I got what I deserved. Wouldn't that

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be easy? If it was all
so simple? Only you and I both

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know it's never that simple, not
in politics and not in life. But

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you wouldn't believe the worst without evidence. You wouldn't rush to judgments without facts,

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would you? Did you? No? Not you. You're smarter than

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that. Anyway, All this presumption
made for such an unsatisfying ending, And

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to think it could have been such
a memorable send off. I mean,

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if you and I have learned nothing
else these past years, it's that in

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life and art, nothing should be
off the table. We weren't afraid,

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not of what we said, not
of what we did, and we're still

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not afraid, because I can promise
you this. If I didn't pay the

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price for the things we both know
I did do, I'm certainly not gonna

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pay the price for the things I
didn't do. Of Course, they're gonna

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say I'm being disrespectful, not playing
by the rules like I ever played by

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anyone's rules before. I never did, and you loved it anyhow. Despite

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all the poppy cock, the animosity, the headlines, the impeachment without a

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trial, despite a despite even my
own death, I feel surprisingly good and

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my confidence grows each day that soon
enough you will know the full truth.

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Well wait a minute, now that
I think of it, You never actually

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saw me die, did you?
Conclusions can be so deceiving, miss me

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so. Spacey pleaded not guilty to
the charges of indecent assault and battery brought

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against the Unrough family, and guess
what happens. On July fifth of twenty

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nineteen, the family drops its civil
lawsuit against Spacy, though he still face

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criminal charges. Not for long,
though. On July seventeenth of twenty nineteen,

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Judge Thomas Barnett of Massachusetts throws out
the criminal charges surrounding Kevin Spacey.

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And you may ask why. Well. Spacey's lawyers asked to examine Unra's cell

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phone, and the accuser's father,
Nick, said in court they didn't know

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where the cell phone was. Then
they put the mother on the stand and

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the mother says under oath that she
deleted Nick's cell phone records from his phone.

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Now, come on, people,
as we say in the South,

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something don't smell right. So when
Spacey's lawyer reminded the accuser that it was

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a felony to alter evidence, the
accuser suddenly that eighteen year older. He

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was older, not maybe nineteen then
when he took the stand, But he

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suddenly starts invoking the Fifth Amendment,
and the judge smelled the same thing all

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of us are probably smelling right now, a bunch of bullshit, and he

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dismisses the entire case. So during
all of this craziness, some strange things

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happened, and it's important to note
several of those strange things, which were

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that three accusers against Spacey died before
their trials. That's a high percentage and

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a strange percentage. I will grant
you that the first, Linda Colkin,

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was hit by a car, the
second, who was an unnamed massage therapist.

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That person's cause of death was never
made public. And the third was

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a guy by the name of Ari
Ben who was an author and actually the

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ex husband of the Norwegian Princess Martha
Louise. He had accused Kevin Spacey of

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sexual misconduct and he died by suicide. Now, what's interesting in the timing

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of that death, in particular that
it was just a few days after the

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video I'm going to reference that space
he made on December twenty fourth of twenty

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nineteen. So he releases yet another
video a year to the day after the

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first one on his YouTube, and
this one, in my opinion, was

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definitely a message, and it was
titled simply K t w K, which

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after listening you will determine exactly what
idea that it stands for, kill them

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with kindness. And here's what that
sounded like. You didn't really think I

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was going to miss the opportunity to
wish you a merry Christmas? Did you.

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It's been a pretty good year and
I'm grateful to have my health back.

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And in light of that, I've
made some changes in my life and

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I'd like to invite you to join
me as we walk into twenty twenty.

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I want to cast my vote for
more good in this world. Ah,

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yes, I know what you're thinking. Can he be serious? I'm dead

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serious and it's not that hard.
Trust me. The next time someone does

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something you don't like, you can
go on the attack, but you can

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also hold your fire and do the
unexpected. You can kill them with kindness,

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and two days later Ari being killed
himself kill them with kindness. Huh.

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Now, during all of this,
you may have noticed we have not

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mentioned the guy that started off this
whole shit show, Anthony Rap, filing

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any lawsuits. Well, that would
change because on September ninth of twenty twenty,

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Anthony Rap and another accuser known only
as the initial CD because in a

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lot of these sexual cases they protect
the identities of people and they'll use their

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initials. There was a civil lawsuit
filed accusing Spacey of assault, battery,

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and intentional infliction of emotional distress,
and it was to the tune of forty

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million dollars. Then things get really
bad for Spacey yet again. On May

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twenty second of twenty twenty two,
Spacey gets charged with four counts of sexual

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assault in the UK, as well
as a charge of and I have never

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heard it verbalized quite like this,
but one count of causing a person to

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engage in penetrative sexual activity without consent. Never heard it that clear, I

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guess. But the total would be
five counts and they were related to the

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three separate plainiffs, and Spacey pleaded
not guilty to all of those counts,

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and on October twenty second of twenty
twenty two, a win for Spacey.

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He's found not guilty for the sexual
battery of Anthony Rapp And this is nearly

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five years, y'all after the initial
claims in the New York courtroom. But

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that victory is short lived because on
November sixteenth of twenty twenty two, seven

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additional sexual assault charges are brought against
Spacey in the UK, with those previous

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five charges already penning, that brings
the total to twelve counts, and Spacey

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again pleaded not guilty. Then on
July twenty six of twenty twenty three,

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Kevin Spacey is found not guilty and
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assault charges in the UK, totally
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high profile actors they come out and
support a Spacey, most notably Liam Neeson

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and Sharon Stone. But I would
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where the hell where y'all before all
of this, and if y'all ain't figured

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it out by now? I believe
that space He was indeed innocent of all

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these charges. I think this case
and all these charges were a result of

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the Army Weinstein stuff and the Me
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lot of legitimate cases back then.
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crosshairs of a bunch of scumbag people. I think it was a money grab

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for these people accusing him. This
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single shred of evidence, just a
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in This man's life was completely ruined
over it. But it really doesn't matter

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what I think. What did Space
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all the dust settled on this,
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Until recently, just a month prior
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now, a documentary was released in
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They aired it and it was titled
Spacey Amassed And as you can imagine,

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Space he's had enough and he's finally
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as he can. Anyway. You
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the same industry I work in,
he's in film and I'm in media,

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but the contracts are the same.
We have what's known as confidentiality agreements,

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and they hamstring us from telling our
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times. He's still under one.
When Netflix for exams, he's essentially gagged

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from saying anything regardless of truth about
how he was fired from Netflix. I've

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been the subject to that myself.
These are known as non disparagement agreements,

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and I absolutely hate them because they
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company or an individual, even if
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point where they could just care less
about an agreement, and once the information's

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out there, let the chips fall
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all reach that point. So now
we're going to cover Spacey's response to everything,

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and we'll start with that statement made
just a day after Rapp's accusations came

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out in the backlash from the LBGTQ
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the Twitter statement, Here's what he
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was aired June eleventh, twenty twenty
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this recording. I have to take
full responsibility for that statement. It stops

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with me. It was a bad
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about my sexuality and about his accusation. I suppose that the only thing I

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can hope is that, now that
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court in twenty twenty two, that
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did not occur, that people will
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where, in my heart of hearts, I didn't believe it had happened.

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I was a little bit pushed into
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I don't know how you might react
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you know, you did this thing
to me thirty four years ago and you

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were so drunk, you won't remember. My first initial response wasn't to call

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him a liar. My first response
was to ask myself, did I did

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I do something embarrassing? Now,
he did say he thought I was trying

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to get with him sexually, but
he did not in any way make any

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sexual assault allegation against me. He
didn't do that until he filed a civil

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and he sawed a forty million dollar
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as I alluded to earlier, where
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Well, there were a few notable
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notable than Elton John, who actually
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Spacey discussed what that meant to him
on This Club from Piers Morgan's Show,

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And here's that. Elton John and
his husband David Furnish both gave witness

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statements. Elton by video from his
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did that mean to you? To
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you? Actually just reminded me that
Elton was the first email I got on

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October thirtieth of twenty seventeen after the
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love you. Whatever you need,
We're here for you. And Elton has

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been there and David had been there
ever since. What's most interesting about the

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fact that they testified in the trial
in the UK was that I didn't ask

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them. I told them a piece
of information that one of the accusers had

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said about them, which was not
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well, we have to testify,
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know that this individual is not telling
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That's the kind of friends that I
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have in my life. Have you
seen Elton since yes, what did you

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say to Well? I gave him
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We had a wonderful a dinner in
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were there and it was a really
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it's also important to note that space
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he was a bit of a flirt. Maybe he flirted a little bit too

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hard sometimes to the point where he
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personality finding it maybe a little cringey
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Piers Morgan he pushed him on the
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very powerful, meaning Spacey and while
he may have not thought innocent flirting,

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was that big of a deal when
you're looked upon as someone such as Kevin

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Spacey at that point in time,
that you know this is someone that can

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make or break your career. Well, I'll tell you what. Here's the

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clip where he discusses that with Piers
Morgan. See what I was told,

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correct me? If I'm wrong because
I don't know you. We've had a

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few times, but I don't know
you at all. But what I was

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told about people who do know you
is that in your thespian days in the

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theater world, you put on a
play, it all go out, you

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all have a few drinks. You're
very flirtatious, and you would be quite

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suggestive with people, and a lot
of them didn't mind that at all,

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and some people, maybe with revisionists
hindsight maybe not, didn't mind it,

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but that you were pretty indiscriminate in
your kind of borderline, maybe crossing the

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borderline inappropriate behavior. Would you admit
to that, You'll also talking about an

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in criminal Absolutely, I'm just talking
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You recognize that that characterization, I
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me to recognize that. It's been
important for me to understand that. It's

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been important for me to hear and
listen to someone else's perspective why they didn't

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feel they could say something to me
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You know, we are theater rats. You know that we become families

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you when you come every day.
It's not like a movie you know,

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where you may have a scene with
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another day. When you're doing a
play, you're coming every single day whole

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company. And I've been so fortunate
to have been a part of families that

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were being led by people like Jack
Lemon, and families that I led when

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I was in a position, and
it's an incredibly it's very moving, and

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it's very important, and I've tried
in the workspace to not cross the line

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because it's always risky if you find
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I mean, I've seen you say
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moment that you believed in yourself that
there was never any kind of quid pro

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quo thing that you didn't say to
people. If you sleep with me,

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I'll help you get this job.
But what your critics would say is,

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well, maybe not, but you're
Kevin Spacey. And if you're an eighteen

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nineteen twenty year old young male actor
and Kevin Spacey is fluttering is drunken eyelashes

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at you, you know, have
a one of a better phrase. Yeah,

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that was that was very nice.
I like that in a way.

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That in itself can constitute an abusive
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to. There is a presumption from
the young acts or in that position,

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that a more powerful man, a
famous man, a double oscool winner,

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is using all that to suitiuce someone, do you accept them? I can

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understand that perspective, I truly can. But at the same time, I'm

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a human being, and if I
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then am I not supposed to go
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see if they're interested because I'm famous? Because that I mean? You know,

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look, there are I'm sure you
have heard countless stories about relationships that

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began with one of the parties being
more aggressive than the other. So what

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about the whole Epstein scandal. There
were a lot of reports that came out

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during that time regarding Spacey's friendship with
Prince and Andrew and even the fact that

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Spacey was one of the individuals that
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plane that was owned by Jeffrey Epstein. Also, there were some instances where

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he appeared with Epstein's partner Giselaine Maxwell, and credit to Piers Morgan, he

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brings this up, and he asked
Spacey to explain his relationship with him and

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how he ended up on that plane
owned by Epstein. And here's what Spacey

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said. Famously, it was reported
that you and Gilain Maxwell were invited to

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the Throne Room by Prince Andrew.
It then got briefed that you may have

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been the one who invited Gilain Maxwell. Wow, what was I hadn't heard

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that one. This is the thro
the throne room of the fucking Palace.

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Just to be just to be clear, who invited who to this? Well,

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let me try to put this in
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In two thousand and two, I
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who I had become friends with over
many years, inviting me to come with

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him on an eight day humanitarian trip
that he was going to make to Africa

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and South Africa. And I thought
it was an incredible opportunity. And apparently

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he was not having great success with
getting people to say yes, because it

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wasn't like one night in New York. It was eight days in Africa and

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South Africa. The fact that it
was primarily to raise awareness and prevention for

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AIDS and particularly for mothers who had
HIV to get the medication, they needed

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to not pass it on to their
children. So I said, yes,

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absolutely, And in September of two
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New York and we went to Ghana
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and Cape Town. And this was
one of the most incredible experiences I've ever

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had. The doctors and nurses that
we met, what we learned about,

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how they were treating patients, the
economic development that the President was also talking

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about in terms of Africa and where
it was going to go in the future.

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The people we met. We spent
a day with Nelson Mandellum, most

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extraordinary, just an incredible trip.
Meant so much to me. And then

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the President was invited by Tony Blair
to give the speech at Blackpool and Labor

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Party conference that year. I was
a So we flew then to London and

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the President said to me, before
we leave tomorrow, you won't come.

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I'm going to go to Buckamp Palace
morris See Prince and you will come.

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So I said sure. So I'm
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must have been I think there were
twenty one guests of the Clinton Foundation when

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we went to Africa and South Africa. It sounds like eighteen or so people

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came to Buckingham Palace that morning and
we were wandering through and there were people

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brought us into the Throne room and
I sat down and a bunch of people

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came and sat down next to me, and a bunch of pictures were taken,

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and then we went up and we
met Prince Andrew. I'd never met

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him before and have not seen him
since, so that's the context. Then

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President and I went up to Blackpool
in twenty fifteen. I started seeing reports

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online, things on my Twitter account
that I had flown to this guy,

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Jeffrey Epstein's island and I had abused
young girls. And I was like,

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I mean, if you'd asked me
in twenty fifteen, maybe even if you

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had asked me in two thousand and
two, did I know a guy named

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Jeffrey Epstein, I probably would have
said no. Well, of course I

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have since learned who he is,
and I have since been able to go

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back and find out that the airplane
that we flew on for this humanitarian mission

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was owned by Jeffrey Epstein, and
to then learn Oh, he was actually

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on some of those flights, and
this Maxwell woman was on some of those

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flights. I didn't know him.
I've never spent any time with him.

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I was with the Clinton Foundation people, That's who I was with. Now,

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what I understand is that he didn't
start to be investigated until two thousand

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and five by authorities in Florida.
So here's what I can tell you.

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This Maxwell woman, she was one
of many people's had done next to me

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in that throne room. I have
no relationship with her. I had no

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relationship with him. I mean,
he's not my friend. I'm not a

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confidant. I've never spent time with
him. And interestingly, I will say

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this, I was very fortunate that
President Clinton introduced me a lot of business

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leaders in London because he knew I
was coming to the Old and I developed

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relationships with Robert Earl, Pulu Ladobovich, the Robert Earl, a lot of

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wonderful people, Sir Richard, caring, people who supported the work that we

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did at the Old VIC and gave
money to us. Do you know who

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I never asked for anything was Jeffrey
Epstein. I didn't want to be around

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this guy because I felt he put
the president at risk on that trip to

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South Africa because there were these young
girls and we were like, who is

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this guy? So I will say
this young girls on those were young girls

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on those flights. Yeah, and
that's been out there, they've talked about

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it. But here's my point.
There's a big difference between not remembering that

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I met some guy and some woman
on a humanitarian trip where my focus was

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entirely on what we were there to
do, and not remembering whether I went

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to somebody's island. So I never
went to Jeffrey Epstein's island. I did

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not know him, and I ever
saw him or her after that morning at

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Bucking up Out. He didn't even
come to Bucking plis true that Prince andrew

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your assistance and wants you to testify
that guile Maxwell was you'll guess, not

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his during that Bucking Potts tool.
I heard a report about that, but

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at no time did anyone ever contact
me on his behalf. And I,

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as I say, I'm not friends
with him. I never saw him after

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that day. What do you think
about what's happened to him? I mean,

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I don't, I don't, I
mean, I don't know anything about

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it. It's not, it's not. I'm not going to talk about someone

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else's scandal, you know. My
point is is that I had enough accusations

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of my own to deal with.
I don't need to inherit someone else's.

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And finally, what about now,
having been exonerated of all these charges,

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what does Spacey's life look like following
all of this? I mean the legal

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expenses alone of five plus years of
biting these type of charges. Well,

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Pierce asked him, and what he
said may shock you here. It is

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where'd you live now? Well,
it's funny you asked that question because this

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week where I have been living in
Baltimore is being foreclosed on. My house

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is being sold at auction, really, so I have to go back to

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Baltimore and put all my things in
storage. So the answer to that question

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is, I'm not quite sure where
I'm going to live now. But I've

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been in Baltimore for since we started
shooting House of Cards there, So how

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long is that? I moved there
in twenty twelve, so you've it's been

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your hundred for twelve years. Well, not this particular place, but this

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place has been in my home and
Evan and Lucy's home since twenty sixteen.

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Why is it being full closed?
Because I can't pay the bills that I

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owe? Are you to know you
facing bankruptcy? Been a couple of times

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when I thought I was going to
file, but we've managed to sort of

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dodge it, at least as of
today. How much money do you have?

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None? Really? Well, I
mean you know you have some sense

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of legal bills. Yeah, I
still owe a lot of legal bills.

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Yes, do you WMD me asking
how much you are? It's it's considerable

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millions, many millions. Yes,
the house itself is many millions. What

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are you going to do? Get
back on the horse. Get back on

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the horse. Indeed, so what
do you think? You already know my

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thoughts? What are yours? Let
us know? Thank you so much for

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listening, and until next time,
I'm your host, Jim Chapman for exposed

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scandalous files of the elite. Much
love,