July 20, 2026

Investigating The Chrisley’s

Investigating The Chrisley’s
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Season 1

Once the flashy stars of the hit USA Network series Chrisley Knows Best, Todd and Julie built a public image as self-made Southern millionaires living a lavish lifestyle filled with luxury cars, designer clothes, sprawling homes, and over-the-top family drama. But behind the cameras, federal prosecutors alleged a years-long scheme of bank fraud, wire fraud, tax evasion, and conspiracy that defrauded banks out of more than $30 million.
Jim breaks it all down: their rise from real estate roots to TV stardom, the 2019 indictment, the high-profile 2022 trial and convictions, Todd's 12-year sentence and Julie's 7-year term, their time behind bars, and the relentless family fight for justice that culminated in President Donald Trump's full pardons in May 2025.
The real details of the alleged fraudulent loans, hidden TV income, the impact on their children—including Savannah's public advocacy—and what life looks like now for the Chrisley’s one year post-release.

Timestamps:
02:51 Todd’s Humble Georgia Roots
09:01 Julie’s Small-Town Upbringing
14:02 Reality TV Breakthrough
26:39 Fame Hides Financial Trouble
33:42 Indictment and Denials
39:26 Prison Sentences Handed Down
45:12 Trump Grants Freedom
49:38 Lessons From the Fall

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Welcome back to Exposed scandalous files of the elite. I'm

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your host, Jim Chapman, and today we're gonna step into

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one of reality television's most popular and unforgettable families. Now,

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for years, Todd and Julie Chrisly lived like the modern

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American royalty family. They had lavish homes, designer wardrobes, fast cars,

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and a tight knit family that seem larger than life

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on USA Network's hit series Chrisly Knows Best. They weren't

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just reality stars.

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They built a.

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Whole brand around bold Southern charisma, no filter parenting in

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an unapologetic person suit of the best that life had

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to offer. Millions of people, including myself, turned in every

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week to watch them navigate, marriage, raising kids, running businesses,

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And it was, for me and millions of others very

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entertaining TV. But behind those cameras was the true story.

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One rooted and humble beginnings, relentless ambition, devastating personal and

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financial struggles, federal crimes, years spent a part in prison,

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and a presidential pardon that brought them back into the spotlight.

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So in this episode, I'm going to unpack every bit

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of it. We're going to explore Todd Chrisly's early life

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and rise from a modest South Carolina home, Julie's own

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formative years and her path to partnership, their marriage and

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building a blended family in a business empire. We're going

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to cover the explosive success of their reality TV dynasty,

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the hidden struggles that were beneath the surface, the shocking

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arrest and legal battle, of course, their convictions, and what

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prison life looked like for both of these folks, who,

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let's face it, you know, these aren't exactly the type

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of people that are what you would consider the prison type,

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if there was a type. So what followed all of

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that was a long fight for freedom, presidential pardons, and

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another shot of life.

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Today.

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We're going to examine it all right from the beginning.

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So let's get into it, and we're gonna start with

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Michael Todd Christley. He was born in nineteen sixty nine

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in Georgia, and he entered the world as the oldest

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of three sons to Jean and Faye Chrisly. His father

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was a US Army veteran who served in the Korean War,

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and bringing home discipline to that family was important to

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this guy. If you've ever known any of the folks

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that served in the Korean War, even the Vietnam War.

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Discipline a big deal and the you know, the Chrisly

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household was ran like a military household. But it was

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his mother, Faye, who had become a defining influence on

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young Todd's life. Fay worked grueling shifts, often up to

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sixty hours a week. She worked in a textile meal

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in what's known as Westminster, South Carolina, where the family

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eventually lived, and this was far from the glamorous existence

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he would experience later on in life, and I think

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it contributed a lot to the value that he put

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on money, because the Chrislies modestly and Fay's tireless work

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ethic was really the backbone of what kept that household afloat,

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and Todd had spoken openly about watching his mother pour

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everything she had into providing for her boys, a lesson

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in hustle that would shape his entire approach to not

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only life but business. Now, tragedy would also touch his family.

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Early on, one of Todd's younger brothers, Derek, passed away

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from complications in emfasy, and this is in nineteen seventy one,

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and you know those early hardships, the financial strain, the

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loss of this brother, and the daily grind that would

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instill in Todd a fierce drive to rise above those circumstances.

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He wasn't content with simply getting by from a young age.

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He would envision building something substantial, something that would secure

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his family's future, and something that would enable him not

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to have to struggle like his parents and siblings. Now Westminster,

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South Carolina, that's a small, tight knit town, limited opportunity there.

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Todd would attend school and he would develop a bold,

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outspoken personality, the same personality you would see on the

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TV show, the same one that would absolutely captivate television audiences,

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and friends and family would describe him as charismatic, ambitious,

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and unafraid to speak his mind, even at an early age.

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So in nineteen ninety Todd gets married to someone by

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the name of Teresa Terry. And this was not a

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good marriage. Now, the reason that they got married, according

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to Todd, is she got pregnant, she got knocked up,

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and his mother pressured him to marry this girl. This

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is all according to him. So they get married. They

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have a daughter named Lindsey and a son named Kyle

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now Lindsey, was born in nineteen eighty nine, which is

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the year before they got married, and Kyle would come

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along a year after they got married, and on paper

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it seemed like, you know, they got two kids, they're

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having them kind of back to back, They're happy.

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They were not.

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Todd just was felt like he was forced into getting

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married to this girl. They would eventually divorce in the

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mid nineteen nineties, and they would finalize that divorce in

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nineteen ninety six, and it was quite messy, as you

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can imagine, with two young children involved, and that would

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make things a lot worse on that divorce proceeding. Todd

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would later describe this period as one of profound change

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for him, and he would kind of focus on reprioritizing

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his life and really making his business center first and

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foremost in his mind.

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Now.

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Even during this time, however, Todd's real estate dreams they

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would continue to grow. He founded and built what's known

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as Christly Asset Management, and that company focused on property

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development management, and they would make investment deals all across

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the Southeast United States Florida, Georgia, South Carolina especially, and

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his reputation as a sharp businessman would begin to spread

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and it was interesting to me that he didn't actually

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start out in the real estate field. As a matter

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of fact, at one point he lived in Los Angeles

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and he worked for like Banana Republic, and he was

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in the retail I guess, the retail industry.

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But he would dress folks, that's what he did.

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So he told a story on an interview I saw

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at one point where he said, Willie Nelson came into

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Banana Republic because he was going to Africa or somewhere

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on a safari and he wanted Todd to dress him

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and he did, and he loves to tell that story.

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But he wasn't in real estate, although he really enjoyed it,

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had an interest in it, and so when he went

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back to his regular life after that first marriage, he

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really dove into it. Now, his business philosophy it was straightforward,

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just work harder than everyone else, projects success, and never settle,

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and he believed in presenting the best version of his

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self in his business ventures. In this mindset that would

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define both his television persona and even the controversies that

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would follow. By the time his first marriage had really

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been in the tail lights. If you will, Todd was

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already positioning himself as a self made man on the rise.

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He was juggling single fatherhood, custody matters, and a rapidly

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growing real estate portfolio. So while Todd's navigating the ups

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and downs of building his real estate empire, another young

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woman from the same small corner of South Carolina was

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charting her own course. And that woman's name was Julie

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Hughes and she was born in nineteen seventy three in Westminster,

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South Carolina. Now Julie, She grew up in a very

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modest double wide trailer. She was the daughter of a

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Baptist minister named Harvey and his wife Pam. And faith,

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family and community. They were all very important to her upbringing,

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as you could imagine with a father who was a

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Baptist minister. And life was simple, but it was grounded

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in strong values, hard work, resilience, honesty, all the things.

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Money was often tight, and Julie would learn early what

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it meant to appreciate what she had now. She attended school,

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also in Westminster and was known as a bright, arsenable

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young lady with a strong sense of responsibility, and after graduating,

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she took a practical step into the working world. She

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landed a job at a local bank, and this job

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in particular would give her some pretty good insight in

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the finance, customer service and the inner workings of money management,

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and those skills would later prove valuable in her life

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with Todd. So in nineteen ninety one, at the very

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early age of eighteen, Julie would get married to her

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first husband. He was a construction worker and his name

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was Kenneth Childress. But the marriage didn't last long. It

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would ultimately end in divorce. As you can imagine, it's

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pretty hard to make it work when you get married

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at that young of an age, and not much is

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known about this divorce except that it occurred so by

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the men. In nineteen nineties, Julie was back in Westminster,

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she was working at the bank and she was carrying

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this strength that would later find her as the matriarch

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of that Chrisly family.

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She was known for a.

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Awesome personality, a very quick wit, an ability to find

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humor in even the most difficult situations, and that would

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really gain her a following years later with that TV show.

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And it was also during this period that Julie would

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cross paths with one Todd Chrisly So Todd met Julie

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through mutual friends, and the chemistry was immediate. Julie would

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be seen by those who knew them as the perfect

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counterbalance to Todd's bold, high energy personality. She was grounded,

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she was supportive, but she was unafraid to speak her

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mind when she needed to. Their connection moved quickly, and

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in nineteen ninety six, Todd and Julie were married. And

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this was May twenty fifth of nineteen ninety six, and

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just days later, on June one of nineteen ninety six,

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they welcomed their first child together, a son they named Chase.

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The following year, on August eleventh of nineteen ninety seven,

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a daughter would be born and they named her Savannah.

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Then in two thousand and six, they completed their biological

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family with the birth of their son, Grayson. Now Julie

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would have no problem jumping into the role of wife, mother,

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and also as a partner in Todd's growing business. She

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would help manage the household while Todd grew chrisly asset management,

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and Julie wasn't just along for the ride. She was

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an active participant. If nothing else, she offered the support

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Todd needed as he pursued success, But life was not

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without its test y'all. In twenty twelve, she faced one

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of her toughest battles when she was diagnosed with breast cancer.

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She would undergo a double masectomy and reconstructive surgery. In

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through it all, Todd was by her side. Julie would

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come out of the experience cancer free and more determined

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than ever to live life. That same year, however, more

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trouble would emerge when Todd was forced to file for

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Chapter seven bankruptcy. Core documents would reveal significant debt, reportedly

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around forty nine million dollars against far fewer assets, and

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that filing stemmed largely from a failed real estate development

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deal where Todd had personally guaranteed a large loan. Now

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During this time, the family also navigated some pretty complex

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dynamics with Todd's older children. Remember this is a blended

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family in twenty twelve. In twenty thirteen, Todd and Julie

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took on a new responsibility when they gained custody of

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Todd's granddaughter, Chloe, who is his son Kyle's daughter. Chloe

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arrived and she added another layer to their already full household.

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So at this point the stage was set, and in

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twenty fourteen, the Chrisly family would become household names over night.

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In March of that year, USA Network would premiere Chrisly

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Knows Best, which was a docu style reality series that

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centered around this family. The show introduced viewers to Todd

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as really a larger than life patriarch, a self made

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millionaire with wit, great style, and very strong opinions on

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everything from parenting to business to politics, and Julie portrayed

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the warm, witty, grounded wife and mother who kept the

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family anchored with humor in southern charm and the premise

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it was pretty simple but ultra successful, basically followed the

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Chrislies as they navigated everyday life with a heavy dose

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of extravagance. An audience watch Todd manage his real estate

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empire while dishing out tough love to Chase, Savannah and Grayson,

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and they saw Julie juggling motherhood, marriage, and their own identity.

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And the show would also feature appearances from Todd's older children,

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Lendsy and Kyle, as well as young Chloe, which created

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a full picture of a blended Southern dynasty and From

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the very first episode, Christly Knows Best struck a chord.

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Viewers were really drawn to the family's unfiltered personalities, they're

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over the top lifestyle and their relatable family conflicts and

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Todd's catchphrases that he had on that show, bold statements.

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They would become subjects of memes. Julie's cooking segments and

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comebacks will provide kind of that perfect.

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Balance you look for in TV. And the show wasn't just.

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About wealth and living in ultra rich life lifestyle. It

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was about family, loyalty, Southern values, and the chaos of

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raising strong willed kids in a high pressure environment. And

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ratings would soar. This series, y'all would become a major

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hit for the USA Network and it ran for a

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total of ten seasons over two hundred episodes. It would

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spawn successful spin offs like Growing Up Chrisly, which would

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follow Chase in Savannah as they attempted to strike out

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on their own in Los Angeles, and the entire family

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would then, even after that, launch what's known as Christly Confessions,

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a popular podcast with Todd and Julie.

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This was in twenty eighteen.

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Where they offered more intimate conversations about marriage, parenting, faith

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and life lessons. And the great thing about podcasts as

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it were related to that show was it wasn't scripted

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like you get on TV. There's some things you could

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do and say on TV, and there's some things you can't.

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There's not that limitation on a podcast, and Julie would

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even host later on her own digital cooking series called

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What's Cooking with Julie Chrisly. So at its peak, the

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chrisly brand itself was unstoppable. It was a powerful, loyal,

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highly visible family unit that operated with confidence right in

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the public eye. But as we know, the show wasn't

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without controversy. Critics would sometimes question how real the storylines were,

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and the family would face occasional backlash for their outspoken views,

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especially when it came to politics. But you can take

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it from me when I tell you that if you

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don't have haters, you're doing something wrong and you're not

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being real with your audience. God News, I have my

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share of haters, and when you put yourself out there

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in the public, it's really unavoidable. You have to learn

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to embrace the hate like you embraced the love. And

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the Chryslies were masters of that, but the vast majority

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of people they loved the Chryslies, and audiences would keep

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coming back. Todd and Julie became household names, and they

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appeared on talk shows, they walked direct carpets, and they

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built a really loyal fan base. But again, not everything

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is how it seems, and behind those scenes, the demands

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of constant filming added new pressure. The family had to

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balance being real with entertainment and do all this while

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managing real life, growing businesses and raising real life children.

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In the public eye. Savannah would pursue pageants and fashion,

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Chase would explore being an entrepreneur, and Grayson would navigate

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life as the youngest family member in the spotlight. And

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through it all, Todd and Julie positioned themselves at this

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point in time as the King and Queen of reality TV,

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and by twenty eighteen that franchise had reached milestone episodes.

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They all launched new projects like I Just Told You About,

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and the Chryslies had successfully turned their real lives into

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some really compelling content, creating a multi media empire that

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extended far beyond that original TV series. But you know

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what happens, the higher the climb, the harder the fall.

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And while those cameras rolled and the fame grew, federal

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investigators were behind the scenes, quietly building a case that

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would soon shatter the carefully constructed image that was the Chryslies,

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and they would attempt to take that family down. So,

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before we move on into twenty nineteen and beyond, I

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do want to backtrack a little and cover some of

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the more interesting storylines that were public during the airing

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of The Chrystlies, and none was more prevalent than the

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fact that this was a blended family, which I think

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personally really helped with the success of the show because

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it's very relatable. There are millions of blended families out

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there today and they could relate to the Chryslies. Maybe

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not financially, but at least in the fact that you're

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struggling to blend these families together. Now, Julie she embraced

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this role of a stepmother, and she even legally adopted

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Lindsey during her teenage years, and for a time it

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looked like the family was making it work. Lindsey appeared

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regularly on earlier seasons of the show, and even Kyle

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would make limited appearances, yet it appeared resentment had been

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simmering from other family members. Savannah Chrysley has spoken candidly

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about the underlying tension. She described a sense of anger

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and jealousy from her older half siblings, stemming from the

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fact that Todd and Julie had created what she termed

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a nuclear family, and to be fair, here, the younger

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siblings Chase Savannah Grayson, they grew up with both parents

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under one roof, right, Lendsy.

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And Kyle did not.

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They had to carry the emotional weight of that broken

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first marriage, and when those cameras started rolling in twenty fourteen,

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that divide became even more pronounced. The show centered heavily

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on Todd, Julie, and the three younger children that lived

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under that same roof, and Lindsey would later express feelings

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of being made to feel like she was put on

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the back burner, So the relationship between Todd and Lindsey,

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to be fair, had already been strained before the show

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even started. In January of twenty twelve, Lindsey eloped with

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a guy. His name was Will Campbell.

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She did not.

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Seek the approval of her father or even you know,

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tell him about it. And ask him if it be okay.

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I guess technically she didn't have to seek his approval,

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but Todd was pissed about this decision. Though he eventually

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would forgive his son in law, it still caused problems. Now,

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Lindsey and Will went on to have a son, Jackson,

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and their marriage would later face its own public issues,

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including allegations of an extramarital affair that Todd would actually

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reference during family arguments. Now, the breaking point with Lindsey

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came during the filming of season five of this show.

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According to Savannah's later accounts, Lindsey went against the family's

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wishes by waking young Chloe for a social media post

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when the little girl was already in bed. A heated

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argument would erupt, and Savannah would describe Lindsey as yelling, screaming,

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and cussing out Julie. Now, Lindsey would give her own

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version of that incident, of course, and she would claim

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Julie shoved her in the neck. But regardless of the

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exact details, the confrontation marked the end of Lindsey's regular

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presence on the show. So if you're curious why she

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didn't go deeper into that series, that was the argument

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that kind of stem that. So from roughly twenty seventeen onwards,

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she was absent from that series primarily, and the estrangement

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would deepen over the following years. And then there was Kyle,

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who was Ted's oldest son. He faced some very well

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documented struggles with substance abuse, mental health, and the law,

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and Todd publicly stated that Kyle lived with bipolar disorder

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and would struggle for life. After Chloe was born in

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November of twenty twelve to Kyle and his then girlfriend

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Angela Johnson, Kyle's personal struggles got worse, and in twenty thirteen,

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following an arrest for assault, Todd and Julie were granted

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that joint custody of Chloe. They would later obtain full

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custody after additional legal issues involving Chloe's mother, and by

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twenty six they had legally adopted Chloe and raised her

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as their own daughter. Now Kyle, he would only appear

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sparingly on Christly Knows Best, and in twenty nineteen he

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was arrested in Oklahoma on felony meth charges, and he

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has spoken publicly about his addiction issues and his shortcomings

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as a father to Chloe and the gratitude he felt

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when Todd and Julie stood by him during difficult times.

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Yet the pattern of legal trouble would continue in later years,

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and this would create emotional strain for the entire family.

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Chloe would eventually, however, become a central part of the

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household and the show. And of course I've already told

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you about the financial issues that they had Todd violin

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for chapter seven bankruptcy in twenty twelve, listing millions of

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assets against tens of mens in debt, and much of

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it tied to that felled real estate deal. Well, the

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family did emerge from that process, and they did continue

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to project an image of success. They had luxury cars,

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high end fashion, private education for their kids, and lifestyle

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that if you're looking at this from the outside, you

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know it takes a significant cash flow to maintain this.

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So here's the deeper truth about the Christly story. During

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those years, that same ambition and that same charisma that

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built their empire also made the internal pressures more explosive.

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Todd's drive to project strength and success it leaves little

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room for error. Julie's role as a stabilizer for that

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family became even more demanding under the spotlight, and the

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younger children they all grew up in a fishbowl, y'all,

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while the older ones felt the pain of being kind

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of outside of the frame of that direct family, and

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that will create issues. As you can reality TV in

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and of itself, it didn't create the struggles, but it

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certainly magnified them. The image, powerful, loyal, larger than life

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was both a brand and a burden. It demanded the

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family present the perfect version of itself as real problems

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existed behind the scenes, and these problems, especially the money problems,

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threatened to derail this entire thing. So keep in mind,

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for nearly a decade at this point, Todd and Julie

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they would present themselves as the ultimate American success story.

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All of this on national television. The mansion, the designer clothes,

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private jets, southern swagger. It all looked effortless. But while

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those cameras rolled and millions of viewers tuned in, federal

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investigators they were quietly constructing a very different narrative. What

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started as financial scrutiny would grow into a multi year

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investigation that would culminate into one of the most dramatic

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White collar cases involving reality TV stars in history. Now,

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this case itself actually went back many years before the

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Crystalies were indicted. Prosecutors would allege that between two thousand

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and seven in twenty twelve, well before Chrystally Knows Best, Premiered,

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Todd and Julie engaged in a scheme to defraud community

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banks in the Atlanta area. The accusation was that they

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submitted falsified personal financial statements, fabricated bank records, and other

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doctor documents to obtain more than thirty million, and according

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to some court documents, over thirty six million in loans.

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These loans, the government claimed, would help fund their lifestyle

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at a time when their actual finances were far less

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than the documents suggested. So let me put this into

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layman's terms. What the federal government was claiming was that

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the Crystalies would go get a loan, and all of

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us have filled out loan applications, and on those loan

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applications it asked you things like what is your income,

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what are your assets? And let's say you were getting

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a loan, and let's say you put down that you

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made one million a year, and in reality you only

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made five hundred thousand a year. Or let's take it

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a step further. Let's say you made a million dollars

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a year, but you failed to list any debt you

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had on that application. Well, the bank takes that application,

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and based off of the figures you provide, you get

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approved or denied for that loan. Well, if the debt

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gets paid, in all likelihood, probably nothing's ever going to

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be found out relative to the fact that you falsified

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that application. But if you default on the loan, if

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you don't pay it back, most assuredly, somebody's going to

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do some digging to find out how they got screwed

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out of all this money, and they're gonna see that,

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Wait a minute, you didn't tell us you were nine

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hundred thousand in debt when you were pouring cash and

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saying you make a million dollars a year. Essentially you

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lied on that application, and that is illegal. Now, personally,

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I think the bank that you get the loan from

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they take some responsibility here because they failed to do

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their due diligence somewhere along the line if the figures

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weren't right and they approved the loan based off of

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those figures. But certainly if you falsified check stubs, for example,

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which is something they're accused of doing, payments to yourself,

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if you're taking those and rewarding things, and we'll get

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into that more later, but certainly those are things you

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cannot do. And that's essentially where all of this started,

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according to prosecutors. So, according to the indictment, Todd directed

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a former employee to create an altered doc And what

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I ascertain here is when I say anyway, creating altered

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documents is according to the indictment, ty Chrisley had this

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guy print up some fake checks or alter the amount

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of income on these bank statements that they would turn

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in that sort of thing. In the banks he was

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seeking loans from, they will receive these altered statements showing

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inflated account balances, inflated assets.

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Maybe he list a boat.

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He had on there that he had, you know, a

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major line against that boat. But he didn't say that part.

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He just said I have a fifty thousand dollars boat.

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He didn't say I still owe forty nine thy five

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hundred on it. So they're assuming it's paid off and

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they can repossess it if something happens. But regardless of

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that falsified shit it. In one particular detailed allegation, prosecutors

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pointed out a July twenty fourteen incident in which Julie

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allegedly emailed a re filter and fabricated City National Bank

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statements while trying to rent a home in California. The

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documents claimed a positive balance what she turned in of

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eighty six thousand dollars in their bank account, but in reality,

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according to authorities, that bank account was overdrawn by fourteen

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thousand dollars.

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Some of the.

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Materials were allegedly cut and taped or glued together to

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create the appearance of being legitimate. This is what the

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government was alleging, and tax issues would form a second

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major piece to that case. Prosecutors alleged that the Chryslies

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failed to timely file federal income tax returns or pay

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taxes for twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and twenty sixteen.

467
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.880
They also claimed the couple would take steps to hide income,

468
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:56.599
particularly income from their TV production company seven C's productions,

469
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.880
in order to obstruct IRS collection effort to pay the

470
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.440
tax debt. One method allegedly evolved in keeping corporate accounts

471
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:10.960
in Julie's name, only then transferring ownership to a relative.

472
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:16.279
After the IRS started asking questions in their longtime accountant,

473
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.200
Peter Tarantino, he was charged alongside them with helping to

474
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:27.519
file false returns and providing incomplete or misleading investigation information

475
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.519
to investigators. Now, a central figure in the government's case

476
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.839
was a guy by the name of Mark Braddock. And

477
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.240
Mark Braddick is a former business associate of Todds who

478
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.960
had worked closely with chrisly asset management. Braddick would eventually

479
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:47.240
cooperate with authorities and he would receive full immunity, And

480
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:50.400
that would be kind of a center of this case

481
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.960
because the Chris lies. They allege he's lying about all

482
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.119
of this. And the reason he is lying about all

483
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.640
of this is because the government promised him full immunity

484
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.240
if he would lie on the stand, because they really

485
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.279
wanted to kind of hang the chryslies for lack of

486
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.920
a better word. But this guy would testify that he

487
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:14.319
created false documents at Todd's direction and that he and

488
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.960
Todd had paid a blackmailer tens of thousands of dollars

489
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.160
in cash to keep certain personal matters quiet. Now, the

490
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:26.720
defense they would paint Braddock as a vengeful, obsessed former

491
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.240
employee who acted on his own after being fired in

492
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:35.039
twenty twelve, and who fabricated emails and documents to frame

493
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:39.160
the couple, and Todd is consistently maintained he was set

494
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.759
up by this former associates. So it's important to mention

495
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.599
that to be fair, now, the chrislies, they would first

496
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:51.359
learn they were under serious investigation at the year twenty seventeen.

497
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.759
By then, the IRS was seeking information about their accounts

498
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.640
and their income, and in August of twenty nineteen, a

499
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.440
federal grand jury in Atlanta will return a twelve count

500
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:08.320
indictment charging Todd and Julie with conspiracy to commit bank fraud,

501
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:13.320
bank fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to defraud the United States.

502
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.960
You don't want to be charged with that one, and

503
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:21.320
tax evasion. Peter Tarantino he faced related tax charges, and

504
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.559
the US Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Georgia

505
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.719
would announce these charges publicly and really place emphasis on

506
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.880
the fact that, hey, celebrities, they should get the same

507
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.239
treatment as everyone else. And of course Todd and Julie

508
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:40.559
they immediately denied every allegation in public statements, and through

509
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:42.760
their attorneys, they insisted.

510
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:43.599
They had done nothing wrong.

511
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:48.599
Todd claimed a former employee had stolen from them for signatures,

512
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.480
created funny documents, and blackmailed the family, and that's, of

513
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.039
course Braddock that he is referring to. And the lawyers

514
00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:01.719
argued the indictment relied heavily on lies from former business partners,

515
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.800
and in court the couple would plead not guilty and

516
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.039
they were released on bond. Now, at the same time

517
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.599
that this is going on, a separate state tax case

518
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:15.719
in Georgia was going on involving allegations of two million

519
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.280
dollars in unpaid state taxes. That was resolved with the settlement,

520
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:24.559
and the Chrystalise paid a relatively modest sum and even

521
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.519
received a refund for some years in which they had.

522
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.000
Overpaid on their taxes.

523
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.280
So the nearly three year period between the indictment and

524
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.880
the trial, as you can imagine, that was tough on

525
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:39.239
the Chrystalise. On one side, they continued filming Crystally Knows

526
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.360
Best and related projects, and new episodes would air, and

527
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.159
the family they would still appear in public, They would

528
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.079
maintain social media, and they would project a lot of

529
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.639
strength but on the other side, they lived under the

530
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:56.840
constant weight of federal charges and the possibility of going

531
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.559
to prison. Now this is at the high of the

532
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.440
COVID nineteen pandemic, y'all, And that didn't help either, And

533
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:09.719
the trial was delayed multiple times due to COVID. But

534
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.960
by the spring of twenty twenty two, the long wait

535
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.880
was almost over. A nearly three week trial in Atlanta

536
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.840
Federal Court was set to begin. So in May of

537
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.880
twenty twenty two, Todd and Julie Chrisley, along with their accountant,

538
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:30.039
Peter Tarantino, they faced those indictments on all of those charges.

539
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:33.320
Just to slew as shit. Prosecutors would lay out a

540
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.800
case alleging the couple had orchestrated a year's long scheme

541
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:41.519
to defraud banks everything I told you about, and over

542
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:44.400
the course of the trial, jurors would hear testimony from

543
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:50.599
bank representatives, ours agents, former employees, and that former business partner,

544
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:56.519
Mark Braddock, and prosecutors would also provide those altered financial documents, emails,

545
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:00.480
bank rivers, all the evidence you would imagine that show

546
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.480
in that case, and they would allege that the only

547
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.840
way to keep up with these loan payments was to

548
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.400
get other loans, and when you do that, when you

549
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.000
kind of rob Peter to pay Paul at that level,

550
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.519
it's considered a Ponzi scheme. But the defense they would

551
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.159
push back pretty aggressively. They would maintain that any irregularities

552
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:26.199
were the results of just innocent mistakes, bad advice, or

553
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:32.000
the actions of untrustworthy former associates, especially Mark Braddock, and

554
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.440
they argued that Todd and Julie have relied on professionals

555
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:41.000
and had not knowingly participated in any criminal activity. Julie's

556
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:44.199
defense would emphasize that her role in all of this

557
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.039
was very minimal on the business side of things, and

558
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.639
both Todd and Julie would take the stand in the case.

559
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.719
And this trial, y'all, was closely watched by media outlets.

560
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.199
It wasn't televised, but media was in that courtroom and

561
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:04.320
they covered every development, and the Chrislies family supporters they

562
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:08.840
would rally publicly, and on June seventh of twenty twenty two,

563
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.719
that jury would deliberate and they would deliver a verdict

564
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.280
in pretty quick time, and Todd and Julie chris Lee

565
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:20.079
were found guilty on all counts.

566
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:21.559
Peter Tarantino was.

567
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.320
Also convicted on related tax charges, and the courtroom went

568
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.199
silent as these verdicts were read. For the Chrislies, it

569
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:33.519
was devastating that family that had projected all this strength

570
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:38.800
and unity for years now faced the really real prospect

571
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.320
of long prison sentences, and sentencing would come several months later.

572
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:48.679
On November twenty first of twenty twenty two, US District

573
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:54.840
Judge Eleanor Ross would sentence Todd Chrisly to twelve years

574
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:59.280
in federal prison plus sixteen months of probation, as well

575
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:04.440
as rusted t approximately seventeen point eight million dollars in restitution.

576
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:09.000
Julie Chrisly she received seven years in prison, the same

577
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.559
probation period, in the same restitution order, and the sentences

578
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:18.119
will reflect the judge's assessment of Todd as a more

579
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.320
central role in the scheme. Julie got a lot of

580
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.639
time seven years, and she probably didn't know a whole

581
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.440
lot about all of this. Todd got twelve years.

582
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:28.679
Now.

583
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.159
The aftermath of that was swift and harsh for that

584
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:37.679
family brand. The Chrislies USA network would cancel Christally Knows

585
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:41.400
Best and all of its spin offs shortly after sentencing.

586
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:46.280
The carefully constructed public image of the Chrystlies had been

587
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.119
shattered in the eyes of many, Savannah, Chase and the

588
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.159
rest of the family. They would step up publicly. They

589
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:57.360
would express heartbreak, determination to fight on, and the couple

590
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.639
were reported to prison in January of twenty t twenty three.

591
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.000
And I found this interesting. Todd got sentenced to federal

592
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.679
prison camp you ready for this in Pensacola, Florida, and

593
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.440
Julie got a much harsher prison because she got sent

594
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.400
to Lexington, Kentucky. And for the first time in their

595
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.480
low marriage, they're gonna be separated, they claimed later on

596
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.440
an interviews. They had never spent a single day apart

597
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:28.320
since getting married, so years of ambition, hard work, fame,

598
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.920
and controversy had led to this. Two parents heading to

599
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.119
separate federal facilities, their children out there navigating life without them.

600
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.960
And it was shocking to me that the sentences that

601
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:43.360
were handed down to the financial white collar crime case

602
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:49.119
like this, Okay, these people aren't bank robbers. Well, they

603
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:50.679
didn't go in a bank and rob it with a

604
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:56.800
gun anyway, Yes, if all these allegations were true, they

605
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.280
deserve prison time for that. There's no doubt about it.

606
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.760
But what surprised me was, remember they were legal guardians

607
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:09.800
of their young granddaughter. And what is commonly done almost

608
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.119
all the time in cases like this where it's just

609
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:18.079
white collar crime, financial crime, is they would stagger.

610
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:19.039
The prison sentences.

611
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.079
One would go to prison, and that way there was

612
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.559
one adult still at home taking care of that minor child,

613
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:31.559
and when that person served their prison sentence out, the

614
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.719
other person would go to prison. That wasn't the case here.

615
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.719
They got sent to prison at the very same time. So,

616
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.360
as I said, Todd gets sent the Federal prison camp

617
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.480
in Pensacola, which is in Florida, and that's a minimum

618
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.119
security facility. It's referred to as a camp due to

619
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.840
its lower restrictions than what you would see at higher

620
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.679
security prisons. I mean, it's crazy. He essentially got sentenced

621
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.360
to twelve years at the beach.

622
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.159
That blows my mind.

623
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:04.360
Now.

624
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.800
Julie, on the other hand, much harsher facility the Federal

625
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.559
Medical Center in Lexicon, Kentucky. And you know, this is

626
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.079
a center with no ac certainly not the style that

627
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.840
she was used to in Contact between Todd and Julie

628
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:26.559
would be severely restricted. They could exchange occasional emails, but

629
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:31.760
even those were monitored or delayed and limited in content,

630
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:36.039
and Thune calls were rare and heavily regulated between the

631
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.559
two and Todd has spoken about adapting to prison routines

632
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.920
early morning, structured days, physical fitness. He did serve as

633
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:51.159
a chaplain's assistant inside this prison. But when he got out, somebody,

634
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.760
I don't remember which interviewer asked him about his prison

635
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.000
life and they said, you know, did you work in prison?

636
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.800
Because his wife said she worked the whole time in

637
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.800
prison because it made the day go by fast. She said,

638
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.000
I wanted to do as many jobs as I could

639
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.039
do every day because I was focused on that and

640
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:10.559
not the fact that I'm in prison.

641
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:10.880
Right.

642
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:14.559
Well, Todd said, screw that. I didn't work one day.

643
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.320
He literally said, I was there to do my time,

644
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.679
not to do chores. And that is if you've watched

645
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.679
that show, that is Todd Chrisley up and down man.

646
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:30.280
So they go to prison and the whole you know,

647
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.039
family is shattered at this point. Now, Savannah Krussley, already

648
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.239
a public figure, she would become the primary advocate and

649
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.599
caretaker for this family. She assumed legal guardianship responsibility for

650
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:48.679
younger brother Grayson and her niece Chloe, and Savannah has

651
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:53.559
been open about struggling with multiple mortgages, legal fees, day

652
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:58.480
to day parenting challenge, and the grief of her parents' absence.

653
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.360
I mean, they were her mom and dad, right and

654
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.280
they're gone. At the same time, Chasing Grayson also stepped

655
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.400
up in a lot of visible ways, and the family

656
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.079
would navigate the public scrutiny and the loss of their

657
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:16.679
primary income source after that show's cancelation. Honestly, though, through

658
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:21.159
all of this, Savannah was a freaking hero, a total

659
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.840
rock star. She never stopped advocating for her parents' release,

660
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.960
and of course, on the inside, tied in Julie's legal team,

661
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.840
they would pursue appeals and in twenty twenty three they

662
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.840
actually got their sentences slightly reduced. Julie's release date was

663
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:41.760
moved forward by about fourteen months and Tides by about

664
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:46.400
two years, and the core convictions still stood and it

665
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:48.840
still looked like they were going to be stuck there

666
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:54.559
for a good long time. So the mons would turn

667
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.760
into years and the family's advocacy efforts would gain momentum.

668
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:05.360
Savannah's relentless work behind the scenes combined with political developments

669
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.679
that we're going to talk about, most notably a new president,

670
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.320
would set the stage for a dramatic turning point. So,

671
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.559
after more than two years of incarceration in a long

672
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:21.559
fight for freedom, shock would come. In the spring of

673
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:26.679
twenty twenty five, what many had viewed as nearly impossible,

674
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.920
full exoneration and release from federal prison became reality through

675
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:38.559
an unexpected and highly publicized presidential pardon. On May twenty

676
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.000
seventh of twenty twenty five, President Donald Trump made a

677
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.639
direct phone call to Savannah Chrisley. They made a little

678
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.760
small talk, and then he told her this, that's a

679
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:49.480
terrible thing.

680
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.239
It's a terrible thing, but it's a great thing because

681
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.400
your parents are going to be free and clean, and

682
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.880
I hope we can do it by tomorrow. Said, okay,

683
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.440
we'll try getting it done at tomorrow soon. Give them

684
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.360
I don't know them, but give them my regards and

685
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:13.320
wish them, wish them a good life. Yes, thank you

686
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:18.559
for bringing my parents. Yeah, well they were given a

687
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.800
pretty harsh treatment. Based on what I'm hearing, pretty harsh

688
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.480
treatment was your brother? Was your brother fighting also for

689
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:26.400
this release?

690
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:26.679
Right?

691
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.159
Hey, I go to the university of Alabama and I

692
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:30.920
the noise.

693
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.679
You speak, and that's the greatest presidential speak I've ever

694
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:33.920
heard of.

695
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:34.239
Mouth.

696
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.599
Oh that's good. I was just there and I gave

697
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.000
the commencement. What a great group of people. If you

698
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:41.760
were in the audience, you have to be good. What

699
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.840
a good school it was. And I love Alabama, you know,

700
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:49.760
I love Alabama. It's that school is really that was

701
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:51.760
very impressive when I was there. Yeah, I think I

702
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:53.159
did a good job. I got a lot of good

703
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.960
comments on that one. So that's good. I love uh,

704
00:46:56.519 --> 00:47:00.599
I love doing that with great young people. Got kicked

705
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:03.639
out of cloud for defending you.

706
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.760
Gee, I'm surprised because University of Alabama if we took

707
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.320
a vote of getting ninety percent of the vote, man exactly,

708
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maybe more actually, But anyway, you keep fighting, congratulating your parents, adulations.

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Savannah and Alice had a lot to do with this,

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and just congratulate your parents. And I hit it terrific people.

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That should not have happened.

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So and you just tied.

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They have good, good children. You no longer children, but

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I'll say it anyway. They have good children, don't they have?

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So there you hurt it. President Trump fully pardoning both

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of these people Now. The pardons were formally issued shortly thereafter.

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On May twenty eighth of twenty twenty five, Todd and

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Julie were released from those respective facilities. Todd left that

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prison camp in Pensacola, Florida, Julie leaves Lexington, Kentucky's prison camp,

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and after more than twenty eight months apart, the couple

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was finally able to reunite with their children in Nashville.

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So the couple returns home as free citizens, their records

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cleared by the executive action of the President, and in

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the days in weeks that followed, Todd and Julie began

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the process of rebuilding. They gave interviews, they appeared in

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family press conferences, and they expressed a deep gratitude to

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their children, particularly Savannah, for never giving up. And Todd

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would speak about the lessons he learned in prison, the

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importance of faith, all the things you would expect, and

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they would quickly resume public life, and in the fall

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of twenty twenty five, they launched a new series called

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The Chrislies Back to Reality, which documented their adjustment after prison.

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Now.

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The show offered viewers an intimate look at what they

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termed the new normal, navigating finances, family relationships, public perception,

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and the lingering effects of their time away. Savannah, Chase,

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and Grayson would also share their perspectives on holding the

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family together during the absence of their parents, and financially

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and professionally, the road ahead it was going to be difficult,

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to say the least. The couple faced the task of

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rebuilding income streams after years without that primary television platform,

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and they still had legal restitution obligations and past debts

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they would have to address. Yes, a presidential pardon forgives

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your prison sentence, but it doesn't forgive your debt. You

745
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still gotta pay that back. So to me, the Chrystally story, y'all,

746
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at its core, it's really a story of a modern

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American saga of ambition, fame, a fall from grace, and redemption.

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Todd and Julie both rose from very modest roots. Through

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sheer determination and vision, they indeed built a massive brand,

750
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but that same ambition and public image also expose them

751
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to a lot of scrutiny and looking back, the Chrisly

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story offers some powerful lessons. It shows how quickly the

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fame and fortune can turn. It highlights the immense pressure

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of maintaining a public image while dealing with private struggles,

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and it reminds us that family loyalty matters, and it

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demonstrates the power of second chances. Now today, Todd and

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Julie are rebuilding. They've returned to public life with new projects,

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a deeper appreciation, it seems, for just the simple moments,

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and a marriage they describe as lighter and more focused

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than ever before. And the family. They continue to navigate

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the complex dynamics of family. And while they may look

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a little different now, they're not all that different. They

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just seem a little wiser, a little more battle testing,

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maybe a little more grounded. But the resilience that they

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have seems to remain intact. And the crystalies remind us

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that life is never a straight line. It's filled with success, failure,

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public judgment, private pain, and then the comeback. And whether

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you see this story as a cautionary tale of what

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not to do or a story of redemption, the story

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is undeniably human. Remember it's not how many times you

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