July 16, 2025

Fatal Fortune: The Murder of Mike Williams

Fatal Fortune: The Murder of Mike Williams
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Season 1

In this brand new series hosted Jim Chapman, you are brought into some of the most infamous crimes committed where money was the motivating factor.

Mike Williams seemingly had it all, a beautiful wife and child, a fledging career and a quarter of a million dollar salary in his early thirties when he vanished while duck hunting at Florida’s Lake Seminole. The subsequent search turned up nothing and only through the determination of his mother, would this case be solved eighteen years later and those responsible be brought to justice.


Timestamps
9:26
The Search for Mike Begins
16:28 Discoveries that Changed Everything
17:12 A Mother's Determination
18:48 New Leads and Old Friends
23:19 The Investigation Heats Up
26:05 A Shocking Interrogation

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman, and I

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am excited today because I am starting a brand news series,

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Fatal Fortune, will tell the stories of the wealthy and

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how money became the motivating factor in their death.

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So today I'm going to tell you the.

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Tragic story of the murder of Mike Williams, who was

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a wealthy business person in Florida. Now in the year

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two thousand, Mike was presumed to have drowned and been

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eaten by alligators of all things, due to the lack

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of a body ever being recovered when he went miss

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during a hunting trup to Lake Seminole, which is a

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large reservoir and it's kind of located on the Georgia,

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Florida state line.

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Now, due only.

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To his mother's insistence that police continue investigating, was the

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case eventually reopened in ruled a homicide, which led to

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many years later eighteen years to be exact, that this

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case gets solved in those responsible being placed behind bars.

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So a little background on Mike. He grew up in

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a town called Bradfordville, Florida, which is north of the

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college town of Tallahassee, Florida, home of Florida State for

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you football fans out there. And he was raised by

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some amazing parents who were normal, everyday hard working people.

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His mother, Cheryl Williams, she was a daycare provider. She

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actually ran a daycare out of her home, and his

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father was a greyhound bus driver. Now, it was very

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important to both his mom and his dad that he

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and his older brother they had more opportunity than the

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parents did growing up as all of us as parents

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want out of our children, and education was key. So

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his parents sacrificed. They saved money, They chose to live

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in a double wide trailer rather than building a house,

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and they did all this so that they could send

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Mike and his older brother.

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Nick to private school.

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They felt like they could get the best education possible

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at a private school, and Mike excelled in high school.

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He was involved in all types of clubs, He played football,

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he was the president of the student council, all the things.

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In addition to that, he and his older brother worked

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at a grocery store after school and that helped pay

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for the tuition to the private school. He tells you

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the work ethic of he and his older brother and

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how they were raised.

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You know, you got to kind of contribute to the family.

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He also fell in love with hunting in high school,

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and in particular duck hunting, which he took up as

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a hobby at the age of fifteen. And it was

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also during these formidable years that he became in love

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with a girl by the name of Denise Merrill, who

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he would later marry. And Denise was a cheerleader, she

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was the homecoming queen. He was the star athlete. It

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just made sense that they would get together. So after

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high school, he attended Florida State University and he would

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major in political science and urban planning. And he was

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an absolute rock star in college. Very hard working, which

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is no surprise to me. That was something obviously his

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parents had instilled in a very early age, and he

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and his brother and even before graduation, he was hired

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by very large property appraisal group in the area. Now

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the company's owner later on would say that Mike was

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the hardest working man he had ever seen, and that's

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no surprise to me. He graduates and then he marries

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his high school sweetheart, Denise. This was in nineteen ninety four,

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and they started life together. And it's hustle time for

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this guy. Right, You're in your early to mid twenties,

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you're nearly married, and it's time to bring home the bacon.

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And Mike was not afraid to earn it. He would

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often go home for dinner, then go back to the

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office and work for hours. He excelled quickly, and he

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started making money and seeing success and really no time,

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a quarter of a million dollars a year he was making.

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Denise she was no slouch either as it relates to income,

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and she did well for herself.

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She was a CPA.

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And it wasn't long before he and Denise bought a

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house in the rich area of town, if you will.

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And this is in nineteen ninety nine, and that's also

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the same year that his daughter was born.

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And from all accounts, Mike.

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Was absolutely in love with his only daughter and he

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was as devoted to her as he was his work.

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At this point in time, life just was picture perfect

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for Mike. Then in the year two thousand, some heartbreak

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for Mike. His father passed away. He had a heart attack,

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and that got him thinking about how precious life was

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and how his family would need to be taken care

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of should anything happen to him, and he already had

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some life insurance policies, but he upped and added a

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few more policies, bringing his policies up to a million

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dollars of coverage, which that sounds like a lot, but

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considering how much he made per year, it kind of

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makes sense to me. It only replaces what the family

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would lose in his death for about four years if

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you're making a quarter million dollars.

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A year now.

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He purchased all these policies through his best friend, Brian Winchester,

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and they had been bestie's pretty much forever. And not

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only was Brian Winchester Mike's bestie, but he and his

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wife Kathy had been friends and classmates with Mike and

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Denise throughout both high school and college, and they would

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get together as couples often. Mike and Brian would duck

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hunt together all the time, just typical best friends hanging

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out after marriage, et cetera.

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And that was the dynamic.

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So Mike's anniversary was on December sixteenth of the year

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two thousand. It was his sixth anniversary. It was a Saturday,

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and he and Denise, they had plans to go to

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nearby Apple at Chacola to celebrate, but Mike wanted to

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do some duck hunting that morning and it was the

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same morning as his anniversary, so he look.

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He loved the duck hunt.

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He goes to his wife, he says, do you mind

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if I go duck hunting in the morning. I'll be

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home well before noon and we can get started on

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celebrating our sixth anniversary. So, according to Denise, on the

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morning of December sixteenth of two thousand, her husband wakes

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up early. He leaves the houses as well before dawn

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bowed in tow and he goes duck hunting at Lake Seminole,

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which if you're a duck hunter, this is what you do.

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You have to be ready when the sun comes up

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on the water because that's when the ducks wake up.

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So he leaves, he goes hunting. Noon rolls around that

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day and Mike is still not home, so Denise gets

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worried and she starts making calls. She calls his parents,

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she calls his friends trying to find out where he is,

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and his bestie, Brian's father actually gets wint to this

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and calls Brian and says Hey, man, do you know

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Mike is missing. He went hunting this morning, never came home.

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We need to go out there and see if we

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can find him. And it's important to mention Brian's father

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had known Mike obviously as long as Brian did, and

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that he was like a second son to Brian's father.

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So they take off and they go to that lake,

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Lake Seminole. Brian knew where he typically hunted Mike at

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this lake. So they take off and when they get there,

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there's already a ton of people there, tons of boats

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in the water looking for Mike. Now, one of the

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concerns with what could have happened to Mike was that

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Lake Seminole was more dangerous than most lakes in Florida

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as it relates to boating accident. And that's primarily due

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to the fact that it is just redden with stumps.

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In certain areas of Lake Seminole, it was basically dry

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land at one point that was intentionally made a lake

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for flood control, So tons of tree stumps lie beneath

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the surface, some of them stick.

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Just barely out of the surface.

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And as I said, a ton of people were already

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there when Brian and his father get there to search

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for Mike, and the searchers start focusing on a particular

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ten acres of the lake surrounded by a cove. And

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the reason they did that was Brian's truck was found

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right there at that It was kind of like a

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dirt path that you.

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Would back your boat into.

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Jim, did you see what happened in Texas today?

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Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you

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what happened in New York.

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It cannot be as crazy as the case I told

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you about yesterday in Louisiana.

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Simply by searching Crime War Weekly or clicking the link

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in the description of this podcast. A helicopter is flying

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over the area and although it was really hard to spot,

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they helicopter did spot Brian's boat. It was in some grass.

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It looked like it had floated into a grassy part

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of that section of the lake, and it was almost

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camouflaged in there where you couldn't see it. But they

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did manage to find the boat, and they found his gun,

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which was still in the case inside that boat. But

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those signs of a struggle or anything like that, I mean,

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zero of foul play. So what happened to Mike?

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Where is he?

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Now?

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Initially the thought was Michael hit a stump and he

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was knocked out of the boat and he had drowned.

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Maybe he got tangled up below the surface. Maybe he

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was wearing his waiters and they filled up with water

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and it was heavy and it pulled him down. He

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couldn't get him off. Any drowned, they didn't know. But

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one thing they did know is that if he did drown,

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typically the body will surface three or four days later,

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because as the body decomposes underwater, bodies will fill up

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with gas, they will actually bloat and they'll float to

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the surface. So that was the assumption here. However, four

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days later, a week later, steal, no Mike. Now there

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had been eighty drownings in Lake Seminole at this point,

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and of these drownings, all of the bodies had been found,

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every one of them except for Mike's. So about ten

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days later, searchers are scouring the lake and they do

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come across a camouflage hat in that lake, and that

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hat was identified by Mike's bestie Brian as having belonged

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to Mike. So they're trying to figure out where the

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heck is this guy, and they're searching every inch I mean,

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they're taking sticks, they're sticking them in the dirt, trying

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to feel for a body every inch of this lake.

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And then the alligator theory surfaces. So a private search

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firm they theorize that quote. With the wildlife around, I

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would guess that alligators have dismembered and stored the remains

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in a location that we would not be able to find.

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And it's important to note here that's typical with alligators.

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They will kill somebody, but they don't eat the body

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whole right there. They'll take it and store it somewhere

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and then they'll eat it later on, or they'll bring

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it back to a den, and.

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They typically hide these bodies.

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Underneath sticks and debris to where you can't find them.

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So that was the theory. However, there was a major

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issue with this theory because although alligators do not hibernate

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and sleep like bears do.

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Bears go in.

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A cave and they basically sleep until winter's over and

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then they come out. That's why they get so big

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and fat before they hibernate. Alligators don't do that. They

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pretty much have to do everything they can to regulate

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their body temperature.

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They don't like cold weather.

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They've got to be able to regulate that temperature, and

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that forces them not to eat. Now, at the time

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that Mike went missing, the area was in the midst

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of what would be three weeks straight of below freezing

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and just a freezing temperatures, and it would have been

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unheard of, quite honestly, for an alligator to eat anything

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much less human at that time with it being that cold.

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And even if that were the case, Mike was five

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'ot ten, he was one hundred and seventy plus pounds,

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and it would have been unheard of for an alligator

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to completely eat a full grown man like that with

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absolutely no trace of the person. You would find limbs

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of the person, legs, arms, whatever, none of that, no

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trace of Mike. Also, during this time police they started

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hearing a little bit of chatter and talking some people

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off the racker were saying, Mike was having some issues

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in his marriage and he wasn't happy. So some people

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would theorize.

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That maybe he ran off and went to Mexico or something.

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But look, that would be totally out of character for

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this guy, primarily because even if he was unhappy in.

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His marriage, he would have never left his daughter. It's

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just not who this guy was. Now.

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In the meantime, his wife accepted that Mike was probably dead,

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and six months later, after he never showed up, she

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starts the process of having him declared legally dead. Why

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did she do that, Well, you have to do that

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to collect on life insurance policies. You have to have

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the individual declared legally dead by judge. In June of

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the following year, two thousand and one, nearly seven months

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after Mike's disappearance, a fisherman did come across a pair

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of waiters, a hunting jacket and a flashlight where searchers

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and divers had been looking way back in December of

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two thousand. Now it's interesting that the police asked the

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divers and searchers about did they come across any of

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this stuff? Obviously if they did, they would have said so,

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but these divers and searchers were like, I don't know

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how the heck that stuff popped up. We couldn't have

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missed that. The police examined the jacket and inside they

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find Ike's hunting license. They also examined the waiters and

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investigators discovered the waiters have no bite marks on them whatsoever.

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So there goes that alligator attack theory. What the discovery

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of the items did do is it allowed widow Denise

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to now collect on his life insurance, which actually was

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a little more lucrative than originally thought, and paid out

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one point five million dollars instead of one million.

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And that was due to the.

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Policy he was going to drop for five hundred thousand dollars,

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but never did. Let's discuss Mike's mother, Cheryl y'all. This

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was just a sweet lady who had that mother's intuition

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that something was not right here, and she would not

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let this case die. As soon as she saw investigators

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backing off the gas, she would floor it. She would

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sit on major traffic areas around Tallahassee was signed asking

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for information on her son. She took out billboards, she

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went on the news. She was an absolute beast in

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not letting up on this, and it eventually would pay off.

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In this case, in.

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The next five years, some interesting things would happen. Brian

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Mike's Besty would divorce his wife a few years later.

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Guess what hen Denise would marry. Once this got out

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of course, like many of you are probably doing right now,

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people's eyebrows were raised. They thought that was kind of

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convenient and right around this time in two thousand and four,

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the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, they launched an investigation

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into the case, and they found many things that seemed off,

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but nothing stood out more than what was discovered when

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the boat was recovered. Originally, their investigation showed the engine

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was off, yet the gas tank was full. So if

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the engine had been and Mike is going across that water,

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he hits a stump, falls out of the boat. Investigators determined,

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and I agree with them on this, the boat shouldn't

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have turned off on its own, It should have ran

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out of gas. However, the gas tank was full doesn't

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make sense, so.

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They had that.

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They knew that did not fit if he would have

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been knocked out of the boat. But much like earlier investigations,

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they just didn't have anything else to go on. The

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case just turned cold. No body made it pretty difficult

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to prove anything beyond the fact that Mike disappeared, and

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in two thousand and seven, the Florida Department of Law

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Enforcement actually closes the investigation and the only conclusion that

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they knew one hundred percent was the alligator's story was bullshit.

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But later that year, in October of two thousand and seven,

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a possible new lead emerged. Michael Williams's older brother. He

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finds a photograph and a serial number of a twenty

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two caliber Rigor pistol that once belonged to their father,

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so Michael inherited that. After his father had his heart attack,

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and after Michael was declared legally dead, the family of

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Michael's asked for his firearms back and that was the

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only one that Denise did not return. The family's thinking, hmm,

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I wonder if he was shot with this firearm, why

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was that one not returned? So they reported to police.

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Police go they talked to Denise and Brian who at

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this time they're married, right.

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They talked to him.

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She says, I'll look for the pistol I thought I

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gave him all the guns. Several days later, their attorney

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shows up with the pistol and he gives it to

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the police, and the police send that off to a

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forensic laboratory for DNA testing, but nothing ever comes of it,

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no lead off of it. So by the eighth anniversary

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of William's disappearance, everyone pretty much had closed case. And

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another possible lead that proved fruitless was a self described

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psychic by the name of Carrie Cox. She was from Kentucky.

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She had been reviewing the case and she had identified

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a possible location of Michael Williams's body. So she gives

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investigators the coordinates of a location that happened to be

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near a boat launch, and cadaver dogs were brought to

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that area. They sniffed it out, but nothing was found.

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And the point of telling you that is showing you

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the lengths that law enforcement was going to to try

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to solve this case. I mean, now they're following the

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leads of a psychic. That pretty much tells you that

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it had a whole lot to go off of, but

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they were willing to do anything to solve the case. Now,

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Mama Scher Williams, she's still persisting. She ain't letting up,

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and her efforts lead to the investigation Discovery cable channel

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doing a segment on Michael's disappearance, and they even did

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late her investigations in late twenty eleven on it, so

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it's getting some media coverage as well.

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Now by then, Mama Cheryl she had.

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Become convinced police were either incompetent or not interested in

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solving this case. Now, in particular, she came to believe

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the investigation was hampered by the involvement of an agent

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by the name of Mike Phillips, who was a friend

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of Mike's and his then wife, and she was concerned

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because he had made a comment to her early on

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that Michael had probably been eaten by alligators, and Mama Cheryl,

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she was concerned and assumed he was working that case

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and thought maybe he got tunnel vision on the alligator theory.

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But he later said he was never even working that

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case and he was merely trying to comfort her. And

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I don't know how he would think telling her son

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got ate by alligator would comfort her. I guess he

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was saying that so she could get some maybe in

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his mind, closure, whatever, But that's what happened. So, starting

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on New Year's Day in twenty twelve, Mama Sheryl Williams

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she comes up with another idea. She writes one letter

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a day every day to Governor Rick Scott, and she

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asked him to either have an agency besides the Florida

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Department of Law Enforcement investigate or appoint a special prosecutor

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to do so. Now, after it was all said and done,

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she had written over two hundred letters. Now here's the

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upsetting part. She didn't even get any acknowledgement saying they

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had been received. So she starts inquiring personally as to why,

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and when she asked, it turned out the Governor's office

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had forwarded them unopened to police, didn't even have the

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fucking common courtesy to read them, and the police they

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he just took him and placed him in a case file.

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And she was outraged.

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About this, and I can't blame her. She was quoted

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as saying they could not have hurt me more if

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they had punched me in the face. Yet, despite all

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of this, just nothing breaking in this case. And then

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twenty twelve hits and at this point Denise and Brian Winchester,

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his bestie, they separate reportedly due to Brian's sex addiction,

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and then in twenty fifteen, she officially files for divorce.

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Why it took three years, don't ask me, but this

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is where everything starts to unrival. So Brian opposed the

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divorce initially him want anything to do with it, and

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he had to be ordered to comply, and as part

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of that order, he was required to provide an appraisal of.

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The couple's home.

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Now, this was due in early August of twenty sixteen,

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August fifth to be exact. Shortly after, Denise shows up

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at the Sheriff's office County and boy does she have

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a story to tell. She said that the day when

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the appraisal had to be filed with the court, she

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left her home to drive to her job. She worked

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at Florida State University, and while she was talking on

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her phone to her sister, she saw someone climb over

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the back seat of her car into the front seat,

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and it turned out to be Brian. She said he

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took her phone away and he began yelling directions at her.

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She said, I didn't comply until he showed me a gun,

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and she said later that he claimed the gun was

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necessary since she was not taking his calls and she

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was blocking his text messages. Now, instead of going where

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he wanted her to go, she pulls into a CBS

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drug store, smartest thing probably she could have ever done.

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And she kind of parked close to the door in

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the back of that CVS and Brian tells her that

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he's planning to kill himself with that gun, that he

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didn't want a divorce, he felt like he didn't have

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nothing to live for, you know, all the SOB story bullshit.

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He assured her that he did not want to kill her,

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and she was eventually able to calm him down and

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convince him to allow her to bring him back to

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his truck where he parked and let her go to

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work and they would talk about this later. That she

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didn't have time to talk about it right now, so

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he said, okay, that's fine, but get this.

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She pulls over to his truck to let.

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Him out, and he gets some stuff out of the

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back seat that she didn't even know he had with him.

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What was that stuff?

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A tan sheet, a plastic sheet, a spray, bottle of bleach,

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and a tool.

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What do you think he had that for? He was

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going to kill her? Well, she drops him off. She leaves.

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She pulls up to a red light and he pulls

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up next to her, and he's profusely apologizing, and she says,

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no worries, I'm not going to call the police. But

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guess what she did up reporting this. So that's the

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short summary of what occurred and what she told police.

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Now I'm gonna give you the actual clip of the

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interrogation because Denise, they didn't only get this report from

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her of what happened to her, but they started asking

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her about Mike Williams's disappearance. So I'm gonna play you

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the entire clip. Now, it's lengthy. It's a couple of

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hours in length, so you can listen to this and pieces,

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but you have to hear the whole thing. I did

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edit out these silent parts, so there's no dead air

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in this clip. It's just the entire interrogation. Very interesting.

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You have to hear it to understand what's gonna happen.

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Next I'm gonna play it for you, and next week

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I'm gonna pick up with part two of this when

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and you won't believe what's gonna happen. But here's that

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interrogation clip. Much Love, alright, what's your name?

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Debase Winchester?

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What's your birthday?

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Three seven to seventy? Yeah?

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What's your ridres five c.

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Rode one seven? Centennial of circle?

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Yes?

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O eight?

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What's a good puble before you?

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Eight? Five ye row five one nine five five four

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or five?

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Alright?

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Man?

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Who?

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Who? What's your husband's name?

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Ryan bri I A and Winchester?

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What's his birthday?

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Ten twenty seven.

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Seventy And where's he living house?

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He doesn't literally any road? But I don't remember the number.

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Do you have a cell phone number?

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Eight zero five oh nine zero zero four zero?

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Do you know what the company that is? A self comprovider?

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That's right?

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Alright, I know you talk a little bit too uh

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to be here or just give me around that.

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Where what happened today?

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We're almost in the fourth year of our separation and divorce.

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Another divorce date is loving Wednesday. He I'll just tell

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you about what happened today, mkay. So I go out

475
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to my car to go to work. I work at

476
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.279
my cu I've turned out on like a Sippi.

477
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.759
Road in from town. Yeah. What kind of car do

478
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:39.920
you have?

479
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:41.039
It's a suburban?

480
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:42.640
What color?

481
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:43.240
Gold?

482
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:49.720
Like that old it's like two thousand two, so I try.

483
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:51.559
I I walked out of my house about nine ten.

484
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:54.640
So then I pulled out on like a sippy road.

485
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.960
I was calling my sister and this person starts.

486
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.200
Climbing out of the very bad and I couldn't tell

487
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:05.039
at first who it was, but then immediately I knew

488
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:05.400
who it was.

489
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.480
But I was screaming, and the phone helped me. I

490
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:08.880
didn't know if she had picked up yet or not,

491
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.119
so I was screaming helped me. And then he grabbed

492
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.440
the phone, so I don't know if he turned it off.

493
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:13.960
I don't know how. I never saw a phone again.

494
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.160
But he he, you know, was up.

495
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:21.759
In grabbing me and he pulled my face pretty hard,

496
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.519
and he goes and he's cussing, you know you you

497
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.920
will turn here, you will turn here, blah blah blah.

498
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.599
And I kept going straight and I make us look, yeah,

499
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.599
I didn't do what he told me to do. So

500
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.160
then he goes, I'm gonna f be'd hurt you if

501
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.119
you don't you turn here. And I kept going straight

502
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.359
again and then and I turned around and like, go,

503
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:39.319
what do you mean hurt me?

504
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.559
And he pulled.

505
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.519
Out a gun like like i'm m not a hunting gun,

506
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:44.720
but like a gun he would kill someone.

507
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.200
Went and he put it right here in my ribs.

508
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:49.000
He put it right here, and he goes with this

509
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.359
and he pressed it in there. You will turn. Well,

510
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:54.039
I kept in my head. I was like, I'm making

511
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.799
it to CBS, cause that's our CBS, and I wish

512
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:58.920
just like I'm making it to CBS. So he put

513
00:29:58.960 --> 00:29:59.519
it right there.

514
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:02.920
I he was screaming, and so I'm I didn't know

515
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.319
if I should join the ditch like well, I didn't

516
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:04.680
know what to.

517
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.359
Do and that I kept driving.

518
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.559
So anyway, where was see it when this happened? Where

519
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.079
was he did he did?

520
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:10.119
He?

521
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:10.920
He was over?

522
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.039
Yeah, he he climbed it out from the back. It's

523
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.240
too too and then a bat and then the seat

524
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.079
and then the back. So he was in the back,

525
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:17.920
I guess hiding.

526
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.079
And then when he came out, he came up to

527
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.359
right behind me, so like I'm driving and he's right

528
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.279
he's right here, and and then the.

529
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:25.480
Gun's right here, so he's right here.

530
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.559
Did you see what the gun onok? Like, like what

531
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:28.759
color it was or.

532
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:32.200
I mean it was dark, but it was it was

533
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.319
like a handgun. I guess that it was.

534
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:36.279
It was dark stark collar.

535
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.599
Yeah that he.

536
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.880
But anyway, so so then I pulled into CBS and

537
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.440
he was like, turn here, turn here because CBS has

538
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.359
like back parky and he took.

539
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.720
The wheel and was trying to force it to turn

540
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:52.559
and I don't know how, but I just.

541
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:54.079
Like took the wheel back. I mean I t and

542
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:57.000
for the fact that we didn't wreck was unbelievable. And

543
00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:59.200
I took it back. And I parked right at the

544
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.319
front door in the in.

545
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.200
The s spot that was right against the grass. So

546
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.319
like the camera's right there, Like I knew cause I

547
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.759
go there all the time that their camera's there. So

548
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:09.799
I parked from right there at.

549
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.759
The front and this is the lawn on Captain's Circle

550
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:12.880
and hegisoki right.

551
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.920
So we were probably there at like nine seventeen or so,

552
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.359
I would you know, cause probably, And so we pulled

553
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.599
in and he said, and he keepkept saying, I just

554
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:24.920
want to talk to you. I just wanna talk to you,

555
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.160
because he's been emailing me, you know, texting me, I

556
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.759
blocked him off everything, trying to get me.

557
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:29.599
To stop the divorce.

558
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.279
I just wanna talk to him, just want to talk

559
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.160
to you. And then I turned around.

560
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.519
And then go, i will talk to you from right here,

561
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:35.880
cause he he was trying to get me more of

562
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.920
the car. I'll talk to you from right here, and

563
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:39.880
that's it with him.

564
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:40.160
Yeah.

565
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:41.240
So then he wanted me to get in the back

566
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:43.000
and I said, no, I'll sit in this seat. And

567
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.680
I was in the driver's seat the whole time, and so.

568
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:46.200
He was mad.

569
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.680
But he held on to the seatbelt cause I was

570
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.440
I had already booked myself in from the beginning, and

571
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.440
so he held on to the red buckle right here.

572
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.400
So he's like in this seat that he's leaned forward

573
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:58.839
holding the seatbelt together. So I can't get out because

574
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.960
I had a picture that I was gonna just yeah,

575
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.400
I'm running screaming in the CBS. That's what I thought

576
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.880
in my head. But he held me and I couldn't.

577
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.039
I'm not sure where the gun was at that point

578
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.279
that he was he was holding it tight and so

579
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.720
and then he locked the doors in the new locked

580
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.880
the doors, and then I said, I'll talk to you

581
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.960
from right here. Well, he held the seatbult from quite

582
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.200
or quite a while as he's screaming, and I'm just

583
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.200
like shaking and he's told me to stop crying, that

584
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.240
people are gonna notice, because people were coming in and

585
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.359
out the whole time. And one lady she looked at

586
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.359
me like, oh, she's like I was gonna stay helped,

587
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.319
but then I was too scared, so he said he

588
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.759
kept hold holding it. Well, finally he just kept seeing,

589
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:37.000
I'm just want to talk to you, talk to me.

590
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:38.559
I just want to talk to you. So then I

591
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:40.440
was just like, what do you want to talk about?

592
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:41.759
What do you want to I want to talk about

593
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:44.480
the divorce b apply. So as he started talking and

594
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.079
asking me to call the divorce off, he would ease,

595
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.880
he eased back, and he ended up sitting in that seat,

596
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.200
you know, the one like right here, and he let go. No,

597
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.799
he stayed in the seat behind, so like he was

598
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.160
in this seat and I was right here so I

599
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.079
could turn and see him.

600
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.960
And he held the gun on the poor your okay, the.

601
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.839
Backside, and he held the gun between he was between

602
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:05.839
his legs the whole time. So that's why I didn't

603
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.279
want to yell to the lady or any cause it

604
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.319
was cause it was right there. So the guns staying

605
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.039
there the whole time. He finally had like go with

606
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.640
the seat. So I was still luckled in that I

607
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:13.519
was turning.

608
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:14.480
And I was like, what do you wanna talk about?

609
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.359
So then he was like, you wanna answer my text?

610
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.480
You wants I had to do this because you won't.

611
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.480
Answer my text or my calls. Please just callably divorce off.

612
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.559
I've lost everything, you know, blah blah blah. So I

613
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.559
ended up we were probably there, I mean, for like

614
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.400
I felt, you know, maybe forty five minutes to an hour.

615
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:33.640
So if their cameras do work, I mean, they'll see,

616
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:35.839
they'll they'll see the whole thing. I would cry some

617
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.160
and cry not and it was rain and people would

618
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.519
come of go. But I ended up he would I mean,

619
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.599
of course at the beginning, especially he was he was crazed.

620
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:48.240
And then as we were talking, I was just kind

621
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:50.240
of agreeing with whatever he was saying.

622
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.720
And I was like, I know that you love me,

623
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.640
and I he's recently lost his son.

624
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.079
His son has decided to move and went away. He

625
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.079
he had joint testody and now he doesn't. And so

626
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:02.920
he said, I've lost my son, I've lost you.

627
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.240
I have nothing to look for. And I was like, well, Brian,

628
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:06.880
you're the only one who can change.

629
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.400
This is a side note that his son left him

630
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.719
because he the son is seventeen now, went through his

631
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.719
phone and Brian's fun and found out that he's been

632
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:17.000
seeing prostitutes.

633
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:18.960
They found the website. They know the girls have been

634
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:20.440
in the house with where.

635
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.119
Where my steps I was living, and that they've been

636
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.559
doing drugs because there's a text about drugs back and forth,

637
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.039
and Stafford and my step son took pictures of all

638
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:29.239
the texts from Brian's phone.

639
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.159
He took pictures of everything he found in the house.

640
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.440
So that's all we have proof of all that. And

641
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.320
so I just kept saying, you've got.

642
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:36.199
To stop living that way.

643
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.280
You know, you could get us all back if you'll

644
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.159
just turn your life around, because he was a Christian

645
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:41.559
at one point, and I was like, if you'll just

646
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:43.320
turn out to the horse the whole time, I'm true

647
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:44.400
this way, I'm buckled in.

648
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.000
But he's he's calm, he's calming down, and so the

649
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:48.960
guns still right there, and I'm just like, what are

650
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:50.840
you doing? Why are you doing this? And he's like,

651
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.559
what am I doing? I could tell me it was.

652
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.280
You know, and I was like, I don't know. I

653
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:56.360
know you want to talk to me and that this

654
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:57.519
is not the way to do it.

655
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.119
I know, what have I done? And it's like he

656
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:00.880
kind of woke up, like what have I done? What

657
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.679
have I done? And I was like, listen, let me

658
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.719
take you. Let's go to your dad's office. The dad

659
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.840
owns the business. I said, let's go to your dad's

660
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.360
office and talk to him. I said, I don't want

661
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:10.039
you arrested.

662
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:10.719
I don't.

663
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.880
I just want to get past this. This can be

664
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:16.000
your rock bottom. Do you think this is your rock bottom? Well,

665
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:16.920
what do you think? You know?

666
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.280
So, I mean I could tell so he was, but

667
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.360
then that it was the gun would start there and

668
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.840
so so I ended up convincing him, we're gonna we're

669
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:26.840
gonna talk to your dad. We're gonna get through this.

670
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.639
We're you know, wee and I kept saying week and so.

671
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.360
So then he called his dad on from his cell phone.

672
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:32.599
Uh.

673
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.039
Oh, By the way, the whole time he kept going

674
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:35.760
through my phone because he had it trying to see

675
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.519
if I had a boyfriend, right, which I mean I don't.

676
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.719
He was going through my phone the whole time. But anyway,

677
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.079
he called his dad, put his dad on the speaker.

678
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.599
Uh and and and I didn't yell out because the

679
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:47.519
gun was right there.

680
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.280
But he he said, what are you doing? And he said,

681
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.039
I'm going to a meeting at eleven and right and said,

682
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:54.519
we'll call me when you get out. I need to

683
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:56.440
talk to you. And he said okay.

684
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:57.480
So I didn't yell out.

685
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.920
I didn't say anything any hime that, and I said,

686
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.400
let me go to work.

687
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:03.760
Let me go to work. Show my face. People are

688
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:04.920
gonna wonder where I'm at.

689
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.199
You call me at work and then I'll come out

690
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:08.559
and meet with you and your dad. I will not

691
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:09.719
call the police. I promise.

692
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.960
I promised a million times I wouldn't call the police.

693
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:13.679
And I said, and I'll meet you out there and

694
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:15.960
we'll talk about this. This can be I didn't say

695
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.360
a new beginning, but I said, like, you know, this

696
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.360
can be the end of all this, you know all

697
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.519
so but I get but he told me this truck

698
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.239
was parked at that park. And I didn't want to

699
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:27.599
go there because I knew nobody would be there this certainly,

700
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.119
you know, and so and so.

701
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:31.239
I said, your truck is.

702
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:33.880
There and he said yes. And I said, well, let

703
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:35.320
me just take you to your office. I'll just drop

704
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:36.639
you off at your office. Well, no, I have done

705
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:36.960
my truck.

706
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:37.440
Ba ba blah.

707
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:37.800
It was.

708
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:39.119
It was just getting ridiculous to find.

709
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.280
It was like, I'll drive you to your truck, you

710
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.760
will get out, and then but then I said, big

711
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:44.280
us up to you.

712
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:46.119
I just kept saying, like you're in charge. It's up

713
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.039
to you. But if you will get out and let

714
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:49.880
me get it to work, then call me at work.

715
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:50.320
You could.

716
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:51.960
My work phone is only going to have a block.

717
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.360
Come on, I said, you can call me or you

718
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.199
can confirm I'm there and I'll meet you and your

719
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:56.480
dad later this afternoon.

720
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.679
Okay, okay. And then then I was like, Briana got

721
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:00.960
to go.

722
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.880
So then he went from the seat to the back

723
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.639
row and put his knees there and started pulling stuff

724
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.599
out of the back and shoving it into a backpack.

725
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:14.880
And I saw sheets, I want to say plastic. It

726
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.760
maybe was plastic, I don't know, but it was maybe

727
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.760
a sheet in a plastic something I don't know, but

728
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.519
it was fabric looking. And he shoved all that in

729
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.960
the in the backpack. Then he had a bottle which

730
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.199
it was like you know those old timey bleached bottles

731
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:33.119
that are like white with the spray thing, a huge one.

732
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.639
Yeah, And he.

733
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.000
Had that put down in the backpack and then something

734
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.079
else and I don't I when I saw the bleach,

735
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:40.800
I was like, oh my god, like I just kind

736
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.199
of lost like in my head, I kind of lost it.

737
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.119
And so it was something else, like a tool or something,

738
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.159
not a hammer, but something like that.

739
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:49.079
I don't know.

740
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:50.719
And then he shoved that in the backpack. And then

741
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.199
I said, Brian wears the gun. I don't want the

742
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.920
gun anywhere near me. Wears it's right here. He had

743
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:57.119
it was on the floor at that point, I guess

744
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.039
because he knocked it or something on it. But he

745
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:00.679
picked it up and he put it the backpack and

746
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.239
he zipped the back pack up, and then he opened

747
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:05.119
up a little zipper of the front back pack, took

748
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:05.800
his keys.

749
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.199
Out, and then he starts crying, what have I done?

750
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:08.880
What have I done?

751
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.920
It's too late for us, and I know it's not

752
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.119
I'll I'll just let me go to work and I'll

753
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:13.960
co meet you later.

754
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.519
I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I know,

755
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:17.960
I know.

756
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.519
And then he opened the door himself and I never

757
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.519
turned the car for anything. And when we read that part,

758
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.719
and he got out and he shut the door, and

759
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.199
then I drove off.

760
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.159
I went down NIKASOOKI, just like I would go to work.

761
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.199
He pulled up next to me at the light at

762
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.559
Capitol Circle World just winded down and he.

763
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:37.360
Said, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, and.

764
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.679
Was crying and I said I know, and he turned

765
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.480
right to head more and then I had I went on.

766
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:48.639
So then supposedly he was.

767
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:49.519
Going to his office.

768
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.039
Where's the office out Carrie Forest Parkway. You know the

769
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:57.119
address we're with the business plan out?

770
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:05.639
Yeah, it's as DA's Winchester Financial Group. And the whole

771
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:11.440
time I would just praying, but.

772
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.519
All he wanted was to talk to me, for me

773
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.880
to call a divorce all uh oh, and and intermittently

774
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.599
he would say he was gonna kill himself. A lot

775
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:21.039
he said that because.

776
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.239
I was like, are you planning on any of both

777
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.159
of our lit like if as he got calmer at CBS,

778
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:25.639
I said.

779
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.119
Are you planning on you know, anything, both of our

780
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:28.760
lives today?

781
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:29.159
Well?

782
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.000
Mine, I'm planning on mine.

783
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:32.840
And then he could say I wanna kill my So

784
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.800
he musta said a million times, I wanna kill myself.

785
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:36.159
I've lost everything.

786
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.440
I reached back a couple of times at CBS and

787
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.559
would like touch his knee, Like when I could tell

788
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:44.199
that he would get calmer, I was like, I know,

789
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.440
I knew, like so the video would probably should that.

790
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.440
I mean, if you if there is one trying to

791
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.840
give anything else. He say he was gonna kill himself.

792
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.440
I didn't know if I should. I didn't plan on

793
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.559
to come in here because I wanted to follow through

794
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.199
with what I said. I wanted to talk with Marcus.

795
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.719
Brian also promised he would tell us that everything and

796
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.239
he would go away to rehab. He's supposedly being treated

797
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.599
for sex addiction, so he said he would go away

798
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:09.239
to rehab.

799
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.639
I was gonna follow through with that because this.

800
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.360
Is gonna make him really mad, And so I called Deborah,

801
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:18.559
my sister made me call her husband, who's a policeman,

802
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.239
and he said, you have you have to, you have.

803
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:21.719
To turn him in.

804
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:23.639
But I still, I mean, I've already told you everything,

805
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:25.320
mut still look at this right thing to do because

806
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.840
it's gonna make him so mad. And then you guys can't.

807
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:31.880
I can't have a twenty four policeman with me, and

808
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:33.480
he's gonna where if he gets arrested.

809
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.199
If he doesn't, he's gonna be free at some point.

810
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:36.360
I have a daughter.

811
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.000
I mean, I just it's not his star. But I

812
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.039
just I don't know.

813
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.119
We we can try and get him some howl.

814
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.280
Oh, yes, that's exactly what happened.

815
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.039
What kind of truck does he drive?

816
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:54.679
My daughter actually had the exact whatever and gave it

817
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.800
to the man downstairs. It's a GMC Sierra. It's a

818
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:02.199
twenty fifteen. It's huge cab. I mean, it's a huge truck.

819
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.000
And it's it's like a dark gray brown color. It's

820
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:11.960
a weird color almost like almost like your shirt. Yeah,

821
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:13.400
and that backpack is in his truck.

822
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.119
I know because I sa he threw it in. When

823
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.320
he got in. It was black.

824
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:19.599
Then he had the colors on.

825
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.199
It had some white maybe like a whatever the emblem

826
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.119
was or the name brand might have been in white.

827
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.119
But that's and it had a out zipper, cause that's

828
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:28.960
where to get his keys.

829
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:30.559
What was he wearing?

830
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.800
Okay, he he was wearing shorts and a shirt. The

831
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.480
c a collared shirt in both.

832
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.280
The shorts I wear navy blue for me, which like

833
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:51.320
you know, longer shorts. I wanna say. The shirt was

834
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:52.880
maybe a Burkeandy, I think it.

835
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:54.880
I think it was. It was dark color too, think

836
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.320
like a Burkandy. I didn't even think about that when

837
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:02.199
it was h mm, no hat he didn't never had all.

838
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.400
He didn't net their license. Yeah, attendis shoes on?

839
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:05.639
Is he a facial hair?

840
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:06.119
No?

841
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.000
Do you think you going back to his office?

842
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.599
It's pusanbody and they then he was gonna call me

843
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.239
to set up this meeting and I'm not there, and

844
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.320
that's gonna make a match. So that's gonna send him

845
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:22.440
to DEPS. You looking for me? Because the last time.

846
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.920
We have a court date, which was a about three

847
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.280
weeks ago, he showed up where's he worked at at

848
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.840
FSU in the stadium and I pulled up to my

849
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:30.559
normal spot.

850
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.840
Well, what do you do in the CPA controller office?

851
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:36.280
Is it just one office?

852
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.280
No, No, it's a it's a fifth floor of the

853
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:46.000
of building A in the stadium.

854
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:47.800
And he knows, he knows where I work. He's one

855
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:48.199
of Mom's.

856
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:50.880
But last time there was a court date, he shook

857
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.000
up in the parking lot and I wouldn't. He wanted

858
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.519
to talk to me and I wouldn't, so I just

859
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:56.280
kept driving around.

860
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.400
He kept following me. My boss ended up coming out,

861
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.239
so he left or I called my boss and so

862
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.880
he left. That was the only time he showed up

863
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:04.079
at work under.

864
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:08.719
The host Okay, alright, uh me mean one sec and

865
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:09.280
I step out.

866
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.239
You see, I have even anything else? Do you know

867
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:12.400
anything right now or.

868
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.440
Now that I'm thinking that anything else? He was very

869
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:17.920
very suicidal that towards the end.

870
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.280
I mean he was called okay, holler, alright, well you

871
00:43:21.320 --> 00:44:38.000
were just woman, and I'll bear at back, niece, do

872
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.400
you he was an all sat I had victim at

873
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:41.000
the cant.

874
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.840
To share your self fast? Okay at the chatterm uh

875
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.360
Paul's up there talking about the discrision and everything, and

876
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.440
I've been in there and listening in on the interview

877
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.480
and everything sis in a while. And just start by saying,

878
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.719
you know, I'm really glad you're you're here and you're safe, okay,

879
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.599
and so I'm gonna work with you, Lena. See what

880
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.039
I can do to help you, s teenager stay safe

881
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:02.440
of giving everything that's.

882
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.400
Been wrong on so whatever.

883
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.639
That's a lot to how's this Roman press and teacher's prey?

884
00:45:08.800 --> 00:46:40.400
You know you do sign out to greet me? Oh serious?

885
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:45.840
Titus, and active's all that's on the phone, and he's

886
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.920
notifying you know what place of the situation, So I

887
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:51.719
don't know where.

888
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:54.079
You every way art anything that's single like or my

889
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.280
loss is okay, Uh, it's always good one.

890
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.400
Do you have a someone in the workplaces you can

891
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.320
trust and if you're comfortable flooding? Know, and there's things

892
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:03.440
like this going on, but just because of the nature

893
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.119
of everything that's happened, and they are gonna just make

894
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.000
a phone call over there to kind of be an alert.

895
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.199
And but can I give a d ELS's name? Do

896
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:11.719
they eat that hut? Or would you ever move?

897
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:12.000
Yeah?

898
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:16.440
Sure, that's Karla. Daniel's a dance allert never. I think

899
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:17.360
he's on the phone right now.

900
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:09.159
Okay.

901
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.039
I'm very worried because I promised you. I got out

902
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:14.599
of it because I promised him that I would not

903
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.400
come and the police, and I promised him that I

904
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:18.159
would go straight to work, and I blocked him from

905
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:20.119
all my other stuff. But he can still call my work.

906
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.840
He was gonna call me to make sure I was there,

907
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:26.199
so obviously I'm not there, which means if he called

908
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.119
me and I wasn't there, then he's gonna start looking.

909
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.320
He's looking for me right now, I know it, and

910
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.639
which means he's going f SU. He's gonna look through

911
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:34.760
the parking lot for my car because he knows where,

912
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:36.480
and he's gonna see them. I'm not there, and so

913
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:38.519
he's gonna start to get really bad again. When I

914
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.239
left him, he wasn't crazy and mad. He was weeping

915
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.119
and apologizing. But that's gonna set him off again. That's

916
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:46.760
why I didn't even know it's coming. Here was the

917
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.199
right I still don't know come here. It was the

918
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.360
right thing to face, the right thing. Denise, You've done

919
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.920
the right thing. There's nothing easy about this because you've

920
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.960
done the right thing. But he's on the phone with

921
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.039
f S you right now. I'm letting them know and

922
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.400
making them aware, Okay, giving them the heads up.

923
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.119
So we're gonna take care of that and make sure

924
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.320
that they they as safe as they can and let

925
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:06.199
them know what's going on.

926
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.239
And you said that Carla already knows about the history

927
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.880
and everything. So he's on the phone with them right now.

928
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.199
He's on the phone, I'm telling them, doing a description

929
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:15.519
and everything like that.

930
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:17.480
So focus.

931
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:19.280
I'm gonna focus on you. And you said you have

932
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.199
a daughter. How old is she? Seventy seventeen? Okay?

933
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:23.480
Is it just you and your daughter?

934
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.519
Okay, now, let's focus on you and your daughter right now.

935
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.880
It's her name. Answer it answers.

936
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:30.119
That's a good thing like that.

937
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:31.960
But I love them.

938
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.679
How we're gonna be staying well, I'm gonna oswalla am here.

939
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.360
I'm gonna help you with that, okay, my first succession.

940
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:38.880
One of the things that comes to mind right now

941
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.079
is when we finish here, there's still some things that

942
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:44.960
have to be done. File for an injunction. All the

943
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:46.800
company you will go to the courthouse to make a

944
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.360
file for an adjunction. Okay, I'm just gonna make this

945
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:50.559
an absolute right here.

946
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.679
I feel that I can't. Did you ever get her first?

947
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:56.760
And most people use their phones nowadays, but sometimes it's

948
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:57.800
helpful to write it down.

949
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.519
And if you watch his taper, what does that mean?

950
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:02.440
The junction?

951
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:05.400
And injunction is an order of protection and it's like

952
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.000
a restraining order and it's gonna prohibit him from having

953
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:09.039
any contact with you.

954
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.199
And you can include your daughter in that. Okay, I'll

955
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.039
go down there with you.

956
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:13.760
Okay.

957
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.599
There is a refuge house injunction assistant's office. Have you

958
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:19.000
ever been in the refuge house?

959
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.280
Okay, I'll get to that in a second. We'll take

960
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:25.000
it one step at a time. The injunction assistant's office

961
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.679
is there. They're staff with advocates just like me who

962
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.360
can help you. And we can go there to again

963
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:33.159
and get this filed. Okay, what's gonna happen is it's free.

964
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.880
There's no fee or anything. You fill out the paperwork.

965
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.280
If you'll put down your information, your god are an information.

966
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.840
Places that he's gonna be prohibited from t you know, locations,

967
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.800
your workplace, if she's in school, we put that on there,

968
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:48.440
things like that, and so we can talk about it,

969
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:51.840
and we get there and then a judge will review it,

970
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:56.119
and at four o'clock today you'll know whether the injunction built.

971
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.760
The junta will grant either a temporary injunction or dismiss it.

972
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:03.880
Okay, it would be pretty wild. I can't guarantee anything,

973
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:05.119
but it would be pretty well for it to.

974
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:09.519
Be dismiss given circumstances of view describements. So I'm gonna say,

975
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.360
let's file for the injunction. So once that happens, we

976
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.000
can it'll all happen today and you'll find out before

977
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:16.960
five o'clock today. You can go and pick up a

978
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:20.320
copy of your temporary injunction if it's granted, and keep

979
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:20.840
that with you.

980
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.639
And then we're also gonna make copies.

981
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:24.280
And give it to whoever we need to at FS, you,

982
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.360
at your daughters, wherever she frequents, whatever we.

983
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:27.880
Need, okay.

984
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.400
And so once that temporary injunction is placed is in place,

985
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:33.480
our deputies are gonna work on getting him searched.

986
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:35.440
And now they have to be able to locate him

987
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:36.079
in order to do that.

988
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.239
But we're looking for him, okay, So we'll.

989
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.440
Get him, sirve starve him with that restraining order. Yes,

990
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:43.280
he will get.

991
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.880
Served once it's a place. If gets grandy, it'll go

992
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:48.440
into place, get him.

993
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:51.199
Searched and become act if it did it and if

994
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.159
the diget approved, and what do you be served today?

995
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.119
Because if they can locate it, absolutely it would be

996
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.199
a priority, yes to as soon as possible. That's the

997
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.840
goal there because it'll go into effect immediately once he's.

998
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:04.239
Started with the papers.

999
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.880
Any contact from there is gonna be a violation of

1000
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.280
that injunction that you can report and he can be

1001
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.679
charged with depending you know, of course the follow up there,

1002
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:15.840
but that injunction is gonna work to protect you.

1003
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:17.920
It's gonna no contact by.

1004
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:21.760
Phone, email certainly not a person, no third party contact,

1005
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:22.679
nothing of that.

1006
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.960
And then again the locations that are listed within, he's

1007
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:26.599
not gonna.

1008
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:27.960
Be allowed to go to f s you to your

1009
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.239
good place, you know, things like that, and we'll sit

1010
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.840
down and go over it all together while we're there.

1011
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:37.039
But we'll do the injunction. That's the first step. I

1012
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:38.679
think it's it's a restraining orders.

1013
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.119
It's gonna keep him from if he calls you once

1014
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.039
he's started with that good work, that's a violation.

1015
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:44.480
And we're gonna follow up on that.

1016
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:48.159
Okay, So we'll do if we can. It's you know

1017
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.320
a lot of times people think that, you know, it's

1018
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.159
just a piece of paper, Is it really gonna protect me?

1019
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.159
But it really can work to protect you.

1020
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:55.960
And I I suggest that I think we should go

1021
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.920
to there, like I said, well or do certain things here. Yeah,

1022
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:02.599
it it does really will work to protect you. So

1023
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:06.119
we'll follow through the injunction. It's okay, So that's gonna

1024
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:11.519
seesaw contact from again. Okay. After that, we'll have to

1025
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:14.159
think about a safe play screen in estate. Well, I

1026
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:19.039
think my sister's husband's a policeman at tvd's. Okay, do

1027
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:20.360
you think his does he know that?

1028
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.119
I don't think so, because it's in montef I don't

1029
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.239
think he even has really, Okay, so he wouldn't even

1030
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.360
know where to find you or anything.

1031
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.000
Okay, in a minute, because I don't even think his

1032
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.639
address is published. I don't think they, so I don't think.

1033
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:35.599
He would know, Okay, Okay, Well that's never been there, Okay,

1034
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.679
all right, and that's fine, and that I think that's

1035
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.880
a good option, especially since he's long unfortunate and you

1036
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.679
said her sister's and HER's my sister TVD.

1037
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.079
Okay, Well, I think he has a his p car

1038
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:48.239
park out you know that TPD car.

1039
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.800
Absolute And I don't know if there's any way just

1040
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:52.719
I mean, any little thing we can do. It sounds

1041
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.559
like he obviously knows what vehicle you drive when you're there,

1042
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.440
if you can maybe put your car in the garage,

1043
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:01.199
a caring just all these little things that we can

1044
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:03.159
do whatever we can to protect you, so that he

1045
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:05.519
wouldn't even even if he did, for some reason know

1046
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.920
this address, which we don't mind he does. He won't

1047
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.079
even see your car because that can be an identifier.

1048
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:12.280
So let's part that in a garage or something like

1049
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:14.960
that somewhere and we're gonna stay there, kmind again, and

1050
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.480
or at least virtually we'll say that, Yeah, I brought

1051
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.320
up the Refuge House earlier, and they're the inductory assistants

1052
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:24.719
office that we're gonna use. But in addition to providing

1053
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.320
an injunction assistant, they're a safe shelter.

1054
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:29.280
You have somewhere to go.

1055
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.679
But I want you to be aware that in the

1056
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:34.320
event of an emergency, there is a shelter here.

1057
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:36.960
By the name of Refuge House, Okay, And if it

1058
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.760
came down to it, you can have It's strictly confidential.

1059
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:42.800
It's a safe place for you to go. It's twenty

1060
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.679
four seven operation okay. And so I can give you

1061
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:48.199
some information for them a contact if you wanted to,

1062
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.480
because they also do down the line. They have counseling

1063
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.239
and support groups and things like that. So it's a

1064
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.239
wide variety of services. But right now I'm thinking emergency

1065
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.159
shelter if ever again, but I'm glad.

1066
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.639
That you have a safe place to go, especially with

1067
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:03.559
TPD officer.

1068
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:06.320
If he felt the neat we can arrange for extra

1069
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.639
patrol of his residence even and that would I mean,

1070
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:11.719
he's got the cruiser park in his driveway, but they

1071
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.519
could still keep an eye out, and I think that

1072
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.800
that would be considering. We're you know, local agencies that

1073
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:17.599
work together here.

1074
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.920
We can he'll well, once let us finds out, once

1075
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.199
he gets served, that's when that's I mean, right now,

1076
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.000
it's probably a change just looking for me. But when

1077
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:28.840
he finds out that he did come, that's what it's good.

1078
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:31.639
I mean, that's what he's gonna be really now. Well,

1079
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:33.519
and that's when we're gonna take steps to make sure

1080
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:34.880
that you're safe and that you're.

1081
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.360
Protected from him, because he's got all these emotions that

1082
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.199
he's trying to deal with and that he needs to

1083
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.039
work out, and he's gotta make that decision to help

1084
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:46.280
himself and get this help that he's needing before he

1085
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:48.199
can really start to make any progress.

1086
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:50.920
And you got to worry about yourself and your daughter

1087
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:56.000
right now and you are still forever. Yeah, well, we'll

1088
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:57.480
get through this, Kay. That's why I'm here.

1089
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:57.840
I'm here.

1090
00:55:57.960 --> 00:55:58.920
This doesn't end today.

1091
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.639
I'm gonna give you my number and we'll be in platch, okay,

1092
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:03.960
and I'll be buy your side every step of the

1093
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:04.920
way through this, okay.

1094
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:10.280
So we'll take it step by step so it's not overwhelming.

1095
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.000
And I should probably call my door's attorney and tell

1096
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:14.679
her she's gonna be surprised.

1097
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:16.920
Yeah, I was gonna ask about that, cause when we

1098
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.639
go into to file for the injunction, we could refer

1099
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.280
you for legal services. But if you can have an attorney, okay,

1100
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.159
well then yeah, I would definitely consult with Harry said her.

1101
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:26.199
Definitely.

1102
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:27.880
That's always good to make sure that she's in the

1103
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.079
loop in a winner of anything, certainly with given the circumstances.

1104
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:33.519
So give her a call, okay, let her know what's

1105
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:37.679
going on, Okay. So so we'll just we'll leave that

1106
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.480
back there for anyway, cause we'll go to the injunction.

1107
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.719
I don't wanna okay, you know too much at one time,

1108
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:45.159
but we'll do the injunction. Refu chouse is available if

1109
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.000
you need it, but you find a safe place to go.

1110
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.239
So so wanna laders too. If they know they know

1111
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.119
that we're going through this monit of wars now, they

1112
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.880
they need to know what happens morning that's very that's

1113
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.239
wise of you. And you know they might be able

1114
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:01.679
to say do they know what kind of mutuality?

1115
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:01.920
Guys?

1116
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:04.280
Cause they'n tall and say, hey, I just saw his

1117
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:05.800
truck on the street, you know, I mean a pretty

1118
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:07.679
little thing that you can have as a one up

1119
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:08.039
on him.

1120
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:08.719
That's gonna be good.

1121
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.119
And neighbors like that, anyone you trust or as comfortable,

1122
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:13.599
they use right now, there's people out there who want you,

1123
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.199
even care about you, and these are the times that

1124
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.679
we use them. So if you've got neighbors that you're

1125
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:20.599
comfortable and know what's going on, definitely give them a

1126
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.440
call to alert them and additionally to get any help

1127
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:26.079
you can't from them, you know, cause I'm sure they'd

1128
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:28.920
be happy to Okay, and any way they can. Okay,

1129
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:32.840
And so you're your daughter will go with you and

1130
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.599
I'll be fine, She's okay, we'll staying with you, Okay.

1131
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:35.880
Yeah.

1132
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.000
Does she work anywhere? And does she have a work

1133
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:38.960
place that he knows about?

1134
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:40.079
Okay?

1135
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:43.159
Mm, just well she works at Cooki's into for me,

1136
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.079
this little camp that I don't know that he knows that.

1137
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:46.119
Okay.

1138
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.920
Well, if there's not anything that's jumping out as.

1139
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:50.719
A something divergent.

1140
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.840
Y then Okay, I'm just trying to make short to

1141
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.840
you that I told them that me and everything there's

1142
00:57:57.800 --> 00:57:59.719
I guess I could call them I think of anything else.

1143
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:03.039
Absolutely we can. You can certainly do that. Dinies, take

1144
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:05.800
your time and just gather your thoughts. Well, what do

1145
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:06.480
they can mean?

1146
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:08.920
He'll probably get started with their strange order. But then

1147
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.079
what happens was what I told him that he did,

1148
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:13.039
like just anything, does he.

1149
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:16.360
Get arrested or he's gonna he'll be detectives will come in.

1150
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:17.920
He'll be able to speak to them a little bit

1151
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:18.400
more than.

1152
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.920
I can, but certainly this is this is an investigation

1153
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.079
and active investigation.

1154
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:24.000
He's gonna be worn on that. So he'll give you

1155
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.119
the details I have. But yes, this is now an

1156
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:27.000
open investigation.

1157
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:28.320
I'll say that for sure.

1158
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.920
So there will be follow up, absolutely yeah, And he'll

1159
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.440
be a little for my little more informations as to

1160
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.079
those steps specifically, and we'll bring him in here and

1161
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.599
he might be finishing up and wanting to come back

1162
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:41.719
in and talk to you anyway.

1163
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:44.159
So I just wanted to pop in and just kind

1164
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:45.360
of get this ad willing in.

1165
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.280
Like I said, we'll just continue to take it step

1166
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.800
by step, but today for the immediate that's what I

1167
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:52.639
think we need to prioritize.

1168
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:52.760
This.

1169
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.239
The conjunction this is, this is Brian's dad calling me.

1170
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.039
I'm not gonna get because I know they're won't. They're

1171
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.960
probably done. Now let me step out and see anything.

1172
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:09.400
Hey, I'm Detective Wilkerson. They mentioned and you about processing

1173
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:12.559
your vehicle where this all occurred. What does time you

1174
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:17.880
look to be evidence where? And you know we can

1175
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.519
put it together to cars right up front, right what

1176
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:22.159
I need from you?

1177
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:22.519
That is.

1178
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:28.639
What's Denise Winchester.

1179
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.559
And he's texting me. I have a block, but he uses.

1180
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.360
These text apps and figures out ways to text me,

1181
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:35.320
and so I know he's looking for me because I

1182
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.360
was supposed to be at work and he was gonna

1183
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:38.960
call me at work to verify.

1184
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:42.400
It was at work, and okay.

1185
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:47.039
That in case he's I don't know, but anyway, yeah, yeah,

1186
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:51.960
for sure, you can go on my car and if

1187
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.960
those cameras were working at CES, I mean that should

1188
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:56.679
have the whole thing.

1189
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:05.960
And what is he texting?

1190
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:06.079
You?

1191
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.000
Just worry that he would call me and you know

1192
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.320
he was okay, yeah, can I see.

1193
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.880
What he's texting now and it's from numbers that he

1194
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:19.000
what does please call me?

1195
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.360
And that's his cell but he I'll block him from everything,

1196
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.280
so he finds random numbers on.

1197
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:25.840
Tech STAPs and that was sent at one five toot one.

1198
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:27.360
Actually that means.

1199
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.159
What that means is he's called my work. I didn't

1200
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:32.639
answers and now he's looking for me. And when I

1201
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.559
left him, would he lef me? He was calm because

1202
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:38.119
I promised him I wouldn't do this and that I

1203
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:38.960
wouldn't come here.

1204
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:39.519
And so.

1205
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:42.960
I mean if he gets if I s do this

1206
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.079
restrainding order and he gets served, and he's.

1207
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:48.519
Gonna know, Okay, what kind of vehicle is it up there?

1208
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:49.039
Do you have me?

1209
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:54.320
M it's a two thousand two gold suburban or do

1210
01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:54.920
you call your.

1211
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:58.920
Clim XL mkay gold just like a like putle.

1212
01:00:58.679 --> 01:00:59.760
Dimands from M.

1213
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:03.960
Let me be fear of just signing there And all

1214
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.480
that is is just consent that we're gonna And I

1215
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:07.079
don't know if he.

1216
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:08.599
Had spent the night that I mean I have He

1217
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.119
just crawled right said that's what.

1218
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.800
That's perfect, Thank you. Where a couple of things real quick?

1219
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:18.280
How long have you had this fire?

1220
01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:19.119
Oh? Forever.

1221
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.000
I was he in it at any telling me all

1222
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:23.400
were together?

1223
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:24.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1224
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:25.440
How long since it's been.

1225
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.239
Since he's been We have been separated almost four years,

1226
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:31.960
so he hasn't it's been a long time since he's

1227
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.599
been in it. Okay, very long, yeah, I mean at

1228
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:36.840
least it it was so I would say.

1229
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:41.920
Almost four years. If he was in the very back

1230
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:42.880
he crawled.

1231
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:44.719
Up and then sat in the seat right here, like

1232
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.000
I'm in the driver's seat, and he sat right behind

1233
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:47.840
the passenger seat.

1234
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:49.199
He had one or two back seats.

1235
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:51.320
I just I have two two and then one row.

1236
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:53.360
Then you got captain seats, yeah yeah.

1237
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:54.719
And then and then the bay and then there's.

1238
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:56.440
The back too, and he sat in the seat. Never

1239
01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:00.320
he be on the passenger So right which greenway? Look

1240
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:01.199
as you can greenway?

1241
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:05.760
Did it? It's like across from like Westminster, like kind

1242
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:07.639
of like Westminster is kind of right here, and it's

1243
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:11.679
right here, uh Fleischmann, pass Fleischman.

1244
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.320
And you turned in right there past neft.

1245
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:17.760
He may passed empty Mayo and I think it's right there,

1246
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.519
and you turn left to go in yes.

1247
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:26.199
Yeah, right yeah from d Yeah, and that's where he

1248
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:28.679
got out. They got into his truck with the backpack,

1249
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.079
and I didn't look back there. You know, I don't

1250
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:35.960
know if whatever all he had. I don't know if

1251
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:39.440
he got it all now, don't mkay, But I don't

1252
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:40.039
want keys.

1253
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:40.960
To it or do you wanna do it now?

1254
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.719
Yeah, we're gonna get our propsing to get through it

1255
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.119
kind of rest. You crossed up the prince and stuff?

1256
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:51.559
And where had where did he acted up?

1257
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:52.519
He?

1258
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.199
I came out of the park first and turned right

1259
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.559
down Nikasuki and he came down and did the same thing.

1260
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.360
At the light at Capital Circle in Nikasoki. He pulled

1261
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:02.559
up beside me because I was headed my normal routine

1262
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:04.559
to work. He rolls with to down was crying saying

1263
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:06.239
I'll sorry he was, and then he turned right to

1264
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:08.199
him no wars which which is in the direction of

1265
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:09.360
his office. He cared for us.

1266
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.639
Okay, how he exit the VDA front?

1267
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:13.000
Oh?

1268
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:14.480
How did he exit my car?

1269
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:15.239
Uh? Uh?

1270
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:18.599
It from his he was he was in that seat

1271
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.119
behind the passenger seat. He put his knees up on

1272
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.960
the bench seat and started pulling stuff out.

1273
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:25.679
And that's when I saw all this other stuff.

1274
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:28.039
He shoved it in the backpack, got back to his

1275
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:32.719
seat where he had been opened that door, And yeah,

1276
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:35.559
I think and to say that he would have ever

1277
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:37.000
been in that seat opening.

1278
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:38.559
That door even when we had it, when we were together,

1279
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:41.199
he never sat back there, so he I don't think

1280
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.119
he ever would have touched that door from the inside.

1281
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:49.519
And I know up what happened. Yeah, okay, if you'd

1282
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:51.960
be in trying to Christ together, he's very imported out

1283
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:53.840
in the front just right when you go out.

1284
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:55.440
It's just like right there, do you need my keys?

1285
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:56.159
Yes? Please?

1286
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:00.000
And I don't know how.

1287
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.079
Yeah, if we we don't minded to do it when

1288
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.440
you get it done while you're uppear instead of you

1289
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:07.119
have they way don't.

1290
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:10.719
Oh, wasn't such a.

1291
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.039
Oh you know what I wanted to just I was

1292
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:18.800
in such a state when I got here. He must

1293
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:19.280
get there.

1294
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:21.360
I'm not very sure.

1295
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:29.559
Or my sister might have 'em, no, cause I do.

1296
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:31.559
I do remember now they made me walk it. And

1297
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:33.400
my sister's sitting down there in the lobby.

1298
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:37.679
What are you gosh, maybe she has her I can

1299
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:39.239
call her ack. And that's because they're not in.

1300
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:42.599
I mean prett easier to park.

1301
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:44.360
I might have just handed them to her when.

1302
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.000
I it's like a spoof number or something that's texting

1303
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:48.039
her weird numbers.

1304
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:51.159
Yeah, he's texting me and I wanted to number now,

1305
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:52.719
I mean just asking me to call. Let me call

1306
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:53.559
my sister and sere she.

1307
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:57.880
Stuff like Keith sounds fears. Sorry, don't.

1308
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:09.559
Hey, I I'm still upstairs. But they be in my

1309
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:11.880
keys to look in my car. I don't see my keys.

1310
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:16.000
Do you have 'em? I mean, but remember when I, oh,

1311
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:17.239
you know what, I want to let him down there,

1312
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.079
when when we first met the guy downstairs.

1313
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.760
You might be into the other out out down there.

1314
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:25.159
It's a click or they're gonna come down and see

1315
01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:26.760
if the down but I know, I mean they're either

1316
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:28.639
in the car or I thought I lock the car.

1317
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:33.480
I don't know 'em. No, don't work out, don't work

1318
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.719
out there fat they're d I don't know they're just

1319
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:37.360
wanna lookout it.

1320
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:40.559
So I don't have 'em.

1321
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:44.679
I don't know it. I can't many did it? She said,

1322
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:49.760
I didn't know it was a diesel. Was a diesel

1323
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:51.440
or christ?

1324
01:05:52.639 --> 01:06:17.760
I just hollo who it probably does hang out, hang on,

1325
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:27.280
I'll be right back. Hang We'll say you don't feets drunk.

1326
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:29.719
It's awsome. I don't know that it's up that I

1327
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:30.360
have more stuff.

1328
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:33.480
It's a twenty fifteen ten GMC four door extended bed,

1329
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:34.599
thirty five hundred diesel.

1330
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:36.360
I don't know about them. It's a twenty fifteen, so

1331
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:42.440
they might. I'm that's also.

1332
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:50.440
We don't know.

1333
01:06:51.880 --> 01:07:09.159
Wow, did y'all get in the car? Could y'all get

1334
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:12.079
in the car now? So she so she was trying

1335
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:13.480
to get the car in my car in your car?

1336
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:15.639
You think they they should? Yeah, I think they're right

1337
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:15.960
there now.

1338
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:21.679
Alright, not you redundant, But we're just kinda gonna try

1339
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:23.400
and go through the story again and just try and

1340
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.119
get a little more detail and everything.

1341
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:29.880
So car in general, do you usually lock it at night?

1342
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:33.079
Do you cut it? Don't usually lock it? Did? Did

1343
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:34.119
you lock it last night?

1344
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:37.719
I thought I did, But I've changed the lots in

1345
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:40.000
the house like three times. He seems to find a

1346
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:41.559
way to get keys of mind.

1347
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:43.159
So he might have key I not that I know.

1348
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:43.960
I have a bit of mind.

1349
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:45.840
Are you in possession of all the keys that you know?

1350
01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:50.360
N and I know of? But has he ever driven

1351
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:51.119
that truck before?

1352
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:53.320
He's driven it years ago?

1353
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:54.920
Yeah, like over four years ago.

1354
01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:59.239
And you know what I didn't get those keys change,

1355
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:00.320
so he might happen.

1356
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.599
Alright, did you notice anything that was different with your

1357
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:17.479
truck when you got into the No, not at all, kay,

1358
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:18.720
m Can you remember it?

1359
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:19.640
How did you get in?

1360
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.439
You walked out my door and I have a steple

1361
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:31.520
drive my car, can ms M my daughter's car in

1362
01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:33.920
my car, So I just walked out. I go in

1363
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:35.880
front of it and just go round to the door.

1364
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:36.319
Mkay.

1365
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:36.640
Yeah.

1366
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:38.199
Do you put the key in the door to use

1367
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:38.760
a key phone?

1368
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:40.560
I use a clicker to click it open. Kay.

1369
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:41.680
Do you remember using that click?

1370
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:45.199
Yeah? I did, and then I got in and sorted it.

1371
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:47.359
I didn't go around the.

1372
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:48.079
Back or do like that.

1373
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:54.439
Mkay. So you get in, start driving and nothing seemed

1374
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.479
out of place. Marriage weren't monk.

1375
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:00.840
And I call my sister cause I always going a

1376
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:02.880
strong way to work, and so I turned on mic

1377
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.960
Asiki Road and called her. And then when a when

1378
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:12.640
a vision started appearing in my mirror, I just started screaming, healthy,

1379
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:14.600
help me, and then he grab He came up and

1380
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:21.399
grabbed the phone. So, kay, and I cannot believe I

1381
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:23.439
didn't write the car I was. I was screaming and

1382
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:25.840
doing this M I I don't know how about it

1383
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:27.720
because it's so narrow and make as ikey read with

1384
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:28.359
those ditches.

1385
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:32.680
But what was the first thing he said to you, M.

1386
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:36.560
Give me the fucking phone.

1387
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:42.600
You're gonna you're gonna go up to the roundabout, You're

1388
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:44.880
gonna turn You're gonna go up to the roundabout.

1389
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:49.119
You're gonna go around it and turn.

1390
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:50.479
Left, or saying it was some kind of direction, but

1391
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:52.000
it was definitely abut the roundabout. You're gonna up to

1392
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:53.119
the round about, You're gonna do whatever.

1393
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:54.560
And he's right in my ear and I and I

1394
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:57.479
was like, was he screaming? Yeah, he was screaming. Yeah,

1395
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.680
he was screaming. And and I she said, oh, not

1396
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:01.000
like that.

1397
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.399
And and at the round about was coming and he's

1398
01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:07.439
like do it. He's like, you're gonna do what I say. Yeah,

1399
01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:09.600
he's screaming, You're gonna do what I say?

1400
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.840
And or I'm gonna hurt you. And then I said,

1401
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:15.079
what do you mean.

1402
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:15.359
Hurt me?

1403
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:17.720
Or hurt I set it back like hurt me or something.

1404
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.760
And he goes with this and then that's when he

1405
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.479
that's when he put he just like shoved the gun. Oh,

1406
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:25.000
but you know what when he was trying to get

1407
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:28.199
the phone cause I had it over here. He grabbed it,

1408
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:30.720
but he also grabbed my face because I remember it hurt.

1409
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.760
He was like and it was like he grabbed the phone,

1410
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:35.560
but he also got part of my maybe my cheek

1411
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:37.680
or something because he grabbed it cause he grabbed it.

1412
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:40.359
If you're driving, how did rich it cross?

1413
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.199
It was behind from behind because it because it was

1414
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:49.359
like this, It came like this that me, so it

1415
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:50.119
was from behind.

1416
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:54.760
But yeah, he was screaming because they you're gonna do

1417
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:57.560
what I say, You're gonna turn here. And then when

1418
01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:59.319
I when I didn't know what he said the first time,

1419
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:01.760
that's when he got the gun and held it right

1420
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:03.520
he shoved it in me and my ribs because I

1421
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.119
could feel it my ribs and he just shoved it there.

1422
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:08.319
He said do it, turn here, and I kept going

1423
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:09.000
and do it.

1424
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:11.119
I can't it's not front. You guys can't believe it.

1425
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:13.560
And because I knew CBS was right there and it

1426
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.439
was like that was Michael with CBF and so then

1427
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:18.800
so then he just starts screaming there for in my ear.

1428
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:19.199
What do you do?

1429
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:21.000
What do you think I'm not gonna you know do

1430
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.560
He didn't say, do you think I'm not gonna use this?

1431
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:26.000
But he was just just being very threatening and.

1432
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:28.199
You thought you would use it? Yeah?

1433
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:28.479
Yeah?

1434
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:31.119
And then can you describe the gun at all?

1435
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:31.600
I mean?

1436
01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:34.640
And he said, doc collar, But did it look? Was

1437
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:35.479
it squares?

1438
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:36.039
Was it right?

1439
01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:36.680
The end?

1440
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:38.720
The end of it, like where I guess the bullet

1441
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:40.840
will come out, was real tiny, and it was a circle.

1442
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:42.640
And then and then it's not how all things are,

1443
01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:42.920
don't know.

1444
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:45.399
But then but then if you kind of went back

1445
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.520
from it, then it was flat in a circle. But

1446
01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:51.279
I mean, but I just remember seeing the hole I

1447
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:52.760
guess so where the bullet will come out, and it

1448
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:55.159
was real small. The hole was real small.

1449
01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:57.279
And then how long?

1450
01:11:57.439 --> 01:11:59.560
You know? How long that on? It was like a

1451
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.920
cause he could all burn. It looked to me like

1452
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:04.720
just like a hand.

1453
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:06.560
Do you know the difference between we're vulbro on a

1454
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:07.720
semi automatic pistol?

1455
01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.920
No ya, If you show me pictures, I might, I

1456
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:13.039
might cons tell you more.

1457
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:14.760
They know how long it was?

1458
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:16.520
It felt like it fit.

1459
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:18.880
It felt like it was maybe the size because I

1460
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:20.760
felt like it was all there in my ribs.

1461
01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:22.520
Does he oh, how do you know if he owns

1462
01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:22.880
any going.

1463
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:25.079
No, I mean he's a hunter, but I that's not

1464
01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:26.840
a honting gun that I would.

1465
01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:29.000
Ever seen a rifle.

1466
01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:31.600
Oh okay, what because I said, where did you get

1467
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:34.159
that gun? Because he collects guns, he he hunts and

1468
01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:36.560
he but I was like, cause when we got Calmer,

1469
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:39.520
I was like, what where is that gun? Where did

1470
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:41.520
you get that gun? And he said, I got the

1471
01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:46.199
gun to kill myself. That's exactly what he said. But

1472
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:49.399
I don't know the man or how or I don't know.

1473
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:50.439
I've never seen him before.

1474
01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:56.279
Okay, this was a sway automatic that he's talking about him?

1475
01:12:57.800 --> 01:12:59.960
No, I don't know. It wasn't matter for sure.

1476
01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:03.079
Again that's just general.

1477
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:07.520
Yeah, but it definitely wasn't that. It didn't have that spending, mkay.

1478
01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:10.319
It was closer to this, but it was fatter it

1479
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:13.680
like this part, this part was fatter, mkay.

1480
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:17.159
Yeah, I mean there's there's a whole batch of different variations.

1481
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:18.479
It was just bad like.

1482
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:22.279
But it definitely wasn't that silver kind.

1483
01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:24.840
It was no silver on a yeah, and I just

1484
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:28.920
color wise, I mean, there's it was more it none

1485
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:30.479
of that, but it was kind of more of that.

1486
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:33.119
It was more kind of like that the the part

1487
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:34.840
that I guess you would hold it was pretty thick

1488
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:38.640
cause I could feel it. I don't know, but he

1489
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:40.239
said I got it to kill myself, so maybe he

1490
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:40.960
boren't recently.

1491
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:41.640
I have no idea.

1492
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.319
The said to show it to your side.

1493
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:46.079
Do you have any.

1494
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:46.840
Injuries that you know?

1495
01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:48.840
Don't? I mean, I my ribs are right here and

1496
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:50.640
I felt it in rows, but I don't. I mean,

1497
01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:52.880
it doesn't hurt when I do that, so I'm sure.

1498
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:55.399
I mean that there wouldn't be anymore. Kay before you

1499
01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:57.359
leave it, won't you do? Chill that? Okay?

1500
01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:57.680
Okay?

1501
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.159
Well, and the only other place you grabbed up, told

1502
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:01.800
him was when he reached behind me to get the

1503
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:02.920
phone out of my hand.

1504
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:05.359
He like pulled like right here, but it heard of

1505
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:06.199
the time, but it isn't.

1506
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:07.159
Okay.

1507
01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:10.960
So you get to the CBS, yes, And when we

1508
01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:13.039
pull in, you're kind of like you go down this

1509
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:15.199
little hill to go around to the front. And when

1510
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.760
we got right here, he goes turn and he took

1511
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:20.000
the wheel because he was He took the wheel and

1512
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:21.600
tried to get me to turn right there.

1513
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:22.319
Where just the trees are.

1514
01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:24.680
And I don't know how I did it, but I

1515
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:27.119
was like, I guess because I was down here, and

1516
01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:29.520
I just did it back. And again, the fact that

1517
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:30.840
there were no cars coming or.

1518
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.039
Going was a miracle.

1519
01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:33.079
But I just did it back.

1520
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:34.560
And I knew because I knew in my head I

1521
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:35.640
was going to that spot.

1522
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:38.439
And so when I did that, and then I pulled

1523
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:40.680
up and I just parked and turned it off, and

1524
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:42.479
I knew I'd go there all the time.

1525
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:44.880
And it says cameras whatever, and they's like, okay, we're here.

1526
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:46.039
You were going to back up.

1527
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.000
When you're gonna and and he before he kept saying

1528
01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:49.359
I just wanted. He's screaming, I just want to talk

1529
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:50.840
to you. I'll talk to you, and so I so

1530
01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:52.560
I turned around and I said, I'll talk to you

1531
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:54.119
from right here. This is one day I'll talk to

1532
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:54.359
you from.

1533
01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:56.239
And I screamed it at it so we were parting.

1534
01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:59.039
It was right like the front, like the door. The

1535
01:14:59.159 --> 01:14:59.880
door's right here.

1536
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:05.119
Of course our hell we'll call it missus CBS. If

1537
01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.880
I were a pall her, Actually this is making sukey.

1538
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:10.840
And then like you said, the rightwood comes in.

1539
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:12.720
There like this. It was around.

1540
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:15.640
And he tried to get me to go in here

1541
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:17.680
to park okay, and I did it, and I went

1542
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:18.239
all the way round.

1543
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:21.520
The front door is there, and I know this parking, yeah.

1544
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:24.399
I thought, yes, and the good there's grass right here

1545
01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:27.119
and I was in this spot, the first spot right there.

1546
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:29.520
Okay, so you were right there, right up against the

1547
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:31.159
store and the walkway to the store, I guess ye,

1548
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:31.880
on the corner of.

1549
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:33.800
The building, M right there and the doors right there.

1550
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:35.920
Said really, there's only probably two spots, and then the

1551
01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:37.960
front door so that people were coming and going, and

1552
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:39.720
he kept telling me to stop crying. That people were

1553
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:41.680
but it was raining too, so it wasn't that like

1554
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:43.960
a people didn't have a clear view. At one point

1555
01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:45.520
a lady pulled him right here and I, oh, she

1556
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:46.079
loved me.

1557
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:49.000
And I almost said helped me, But at that point

1558
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:50.800
the gun was between his legs, like right there, so

1559
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:51.239
I didn't.

1560
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:54.119
I didn't do anything. Okay, Yeah, I was parked right

1561
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:56.479
there the whole time. And it was a good forty

1562
01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:57.560
five minutes at least.

1563
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:05.840
Or we just talked, did he was he scared me

1564
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:06.479
in the whole time?

1565
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:09.399
No, I mean to I said, well the pot first time,

1566
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:11.439
because he was so mad that I did that.

1567
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:13.720
He stood he kind of was.

1568
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:15.000
I don't know if he was on his knees or what,

1569
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.279
but he held the seat belt together where I couldn't

1570
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:19.359
the red and where the red thing is. He just

1571
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.560
held it so I couldn't maybe cause I was gonna

1572
01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:24.279
get out and run in, but I couldn't do that.

1573
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:28.520
And yeah, he was just serening and I was shaking,

1574
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:32.520
but I was trying to act like I wasn't scared.

1575
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:36.640
But and then it took about. He just kept you

1576
01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:38.239
to god.

1577
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:48.039
Sall, Hey, do I keep piet? Oh, let me wait

1578
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.800
till he steps set here. And that's funny. Some of

1579
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:53.880
the parts we'll get to order go into a little

1580
01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:58.560
bit more detail. So I got to go.

1581
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:03.960
When did you ask? I forgot?

1582
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:07.399
I was asking him his demeanor?

1583
01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:09.920
Oh yeah, So yeah, at first he was mad. He's

1584
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:11.960
he was like holding this the whole time, and he

1585
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:13.680
just kept saying, no, Rimber, I just wanna talk to you.

1586
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:15.640
You ignore my text you ignore my emails. I just

1587
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:17.079
wanna talk to you. We have a court date at

1588
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:20.520
coming up Wednesday. I just wanna talk to you. And

1589
01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.039
so I was just like, what what do you wanna

1590
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:23.520
talk about? And I'm right here, I'll talk to you.

1591
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.479
What do you wanna talk about? And so the more

1592
01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.479
he wouldn't say anything. So the more I kept saying

1593
01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:29.439
that I'm ready to talk to you anyway, he would.

1594
01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:31.199
I could tell he was getting calm or he didn't

1595
01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:33.520
have that crazy, but he was getting calmer, and he would.

1596
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:36.079
He ended up sitting in a seat. I had the

1597
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:38.119
gun between his legs. It wasn't touching him, and it

1598
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:40.159
was between his legs the whole time. And then he

1599
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:42.199
did let go, and I ended up telling him at

1600
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:45.319
one point, I said, Brian, you let go of my

1601
01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:48.199
seatbelt a while ago, and I haven't. I could get out.

1602
01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:51.159
I could, but I'm not. I'm listening to you. I'm

1603
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:52.720
talking like I kept kind of I do it so

1604
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:56.920
but ain't myself. Yeah, he did end up he kind

1605
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:58.279
of still kind of sat on the edge of the

1606
01:17:58.359 --> 01:17:59.079
chair and look.

1607
01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:01.199
Around, but he was st I I think he had

1608
01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:05.640
been drinking or something, because he seemed he just seemed

1609
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.279
I'm gonna obviously off but I don't know. I just

1610
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:12.039
felt like maybe he'd been drinking a high or something.

1611
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:13.520
It was that kind of smell type.

1612
01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.319
I don't know. I have no idea does he ever

1613
01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:17.359
acted like that before.

1614
01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:22.640
I've never seen him to that extent. No, I mean

1615
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:24.279
he had completely lost it, and he.

1616
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:26.239
Kept saying, I've lost everything, I've nothing to live for.

1617
01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:29.079
It many times, I'm gonna kill myself. Why shouldn't I

1618
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:30.000
have nothing to live for?

1619
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:31.800
Did he tell you how I was gonna do that

1620
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:32.640
or where is no?

1621
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:34.239
But he said he bought the gun to do it.

1622
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:37.079
I think he was gonna do it right there, or

1623
01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:39.439
he wanted to do it there, because he said something

1624
01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:42.560
about that. I said, as he got calmer, I said,

1625
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:44.840
did you actually plan to kill both of us today?

1626
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:45.880
Like we were just having a conversation?

1627
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:46.199
Goes?

1628
01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:49.880
Well, me and I go, and I didn't ask any further,

1629
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:52.840
but he said, but no, he never but pulling all

1630
01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:54.680
that crap out of the back, I have no idea.

1631
01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:56.520
Well what color were the sheets?

1632
01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:02.760
A light light light? I mean even maybe even like

1633
01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:06.920
this color, like a light tan, you know, not not

1634
01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:09.720
like the door, but more like this. Okay, I think

1635
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:10.039
there was.

1636
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:18.159
Some plastic involvement. Okay, so he strut upon and stuff,

1637
01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:19.319
but I didn't know anything was back there.

1638
01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:23.640
I think it was like a sheet this color, and

1639
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:25.840
then I think there I think you know how you

1640
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:30.800
can hear like I think there was some plastic maybe

1641
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:32.359
like you were used to paint, like you know, you

1642
01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:34.279
put on the floor to pay, something like that.

1643
01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:37.720
Maybe a plastic sheet, like a plastic bag.

1644
01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:39.399
The sheet was a sheet. The sheet was like this

1645
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:41.159
color and it was a sheet. But I remember now

1646
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:43.439
that when he grabbed it, it was more it was

1647
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:46.479
too and I think this one had a noise to it.

1648
01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:48.960
It was something. It was different, but it was also

1649
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:49.920
around the same color.

1650
01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:50.840
Yeah, it did.

1651
01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:52.640
It looked like a sheet too, but I think it

1652
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.680
I think it might have been some type of plastic.

1653
01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:58.319
But I don't know. I mean that was I mean,

1654
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:00.319
I didn't know anything was back there when I I

1655
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.520
was like, oh my, you know, and he just he

1656
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:06.039
d I guess he had to do that twice, okay,

1657
01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:09.840
and then started shoving it in that backpack. But that

1658
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:11.960
there was something different besides.

1659
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:14.319
Just the bed sheet. Now, can you explain that? Describe

1660
01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:15.359
that bottle a little better.

1661
01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:17.920
Oh yeah, I mean it's like kind of there's old

1662
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:21.479
fashioned bleach where the bottle was like probably that tall,

1663
01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:24.399
fat and then skinny, you know, and then it was

1664
01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:27.239
clear you could see there was clear inside of it.

1665
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:29.279
And then it had the spray with the big nozzle.

1666
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:32.000
So it's just like I would call it a bleach bottle,

1667
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:33.680
but it didn't say a brand name.

1668
01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:35.199
It was actual, like could you tell if it was

1669
01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:37.119
a label on I didn't see one.

1670
01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:41.079
It looked like, yeah, nothing you would buy, like it

1671
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.199
did our brand on it or anything like that.

1672
01:20:43.479 --> 01:20:44.239
So it rocks.

1673
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:45.159
It didn't say anything.

1674
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:46.640
Was it just kind of like a spray bottle.

1675
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:48.399
It was a spray bot it was. It was like

1676
01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:50.039
a kind of like an industrial spright.

1677
01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:52.479
There was liquid in it. But again I I think

1678
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:54.279
it's bleached, but I don't could you tell what color

1679
01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:57.279
it was? It w everything, everything was white and light.

1680
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.359
So I immediately if you saw you say it was

1681
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.159
leach bottle, you know, like, but I didn't smell it.

1682
01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:02.760
Or tape, you know.

1683
01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:06.399
I think it was a bleach bottle, pretty sure, Okay.

1684
01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:08.359
And then something else that I can't remember.

1685
01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:11.720
I wish I could remember.

1686
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:14.680
And again, it wasn't a hammer, but it it was

1687
01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:18.680
something like that. It was fatter it it was fatter

1688
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:20.279
than a hammer, and it was about.

1689
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:21.960
The length of a hand hammer. But I have no

1690
01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:24.000
idea he did it so fast. I have no idea

1691
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:26.479
what that was. I don't know.

1692
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:28.880
And then at that point, I said, where's the gun

1693
01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:30.960
cause he's shoving all the stuff in the backpack and

1694
01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:32.439
he was like right here, and it was at his

1695
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:34.199
feet and he picked it up, put it in there too,

1696
01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:36.920
on the top, and then zipped it, s unzipped the

1697
01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:38.760
SI the little pocket got his keys.

1698
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:42.800
And that did he send anything out for that?

1699
01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:46.159
Yeah? Did you sorry? He was so sorry, and I

1700
01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:48.800
kept saying I won't tell me when I won't put

1701
01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:53.439
the lease. It was fine.

1702
01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:55.960
It's just gold to stay with you, is what. It's

1703
01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:57.079
a gold to stay with you.

1704
01:21:57.479 --> 01:21:59.960
Oh yeah, he wants me to call a divorce on yeah?

1705
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:07.159
He and and and he said he got he did

1706
01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:10.079
all that because I have blocked him from everything, and

1707
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:11.840
so he does try to communicate with me, and I

1708
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:12.840
don't communicate back.

1709
01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:15.479
And so this is why he said he had to

1710
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:23.199
do this to give me a talk. Where is he

1711
01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:26.600
living on the other landing road? We own two comes

1712
01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:30.279
and he said that one. I'm trying to think he

1713
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:34.239
said any more about killing himself A cause I said,

1714
01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:36.640
I go, are you you're for sure you really want

1715
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:40.680
to die today? And he said ninety I was ever

1716
01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:43.000
ninety five o'ka n ninety eight percent. It was something,

1717
01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:46.039
you know, and I said, we love You're not sure,

1718
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:48.039
you know, don't do it?

1719
01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:48.600
Don't you know?

1720
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:53.760
I won't tell anyone. I don't want you know. He definitely,

1721
01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.239
he said he's been He said he's been thinking about

1722
01:22:56.239 --> 01:22:58.520
it for a long time, killing himself.

1723
01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:01.640
What what would Len do this to.

1724
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:04.840
Wanna kill himself? Because I mean, our marriage is over.

1725
01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:08.560
He has a son with another wife and she's left

1726
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:10.840
him to live with his mom full time, so he's

1727
01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:13.760
lot recently, he's so he lost him so he says.

1728
01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:19.760
He has nothing left now it's a business doing. I guess.

1729
01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:20.159
Oh oh.

1730
01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:24.640
And also his mom found out within the past two

1731
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:26.359
to three weeks that she has cancer.

1732
01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:30.159
That was something else. Yeah, yeah, and he did say

1733
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:32.560
that I'm gonna lose my mom in a year. I've

1734
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.600
lost you, I've lost you know, staff, my son. Yeah,

1735
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.239
that's I'm I didn't forget about that, but that's a

1736
01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:48.880
current thing. And apparently it's pretty bad that his dad

1737
01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.000
has also called me and wants me to call him,

1738
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.760
which I'm not going to. But that's just interesting because

1739
01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:58.600
I just wonder, you know, if Brian went actually told

1740
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:05.199
of everything or what the cause My plan was to

1741
01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:06.680
go out there and talk with him today.

1742
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:09.479
But obviously I'm not compt to know where do you

1743
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:11.000
usually park on campus?

1744
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:16.560
Right? They're doing construction, major construction on the stadium, so

1745
01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:21.439
it's in the back park.

1746
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:22.760
But I mean, I don't even know how to tell you,

1747
01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:28.720
Like the the stadiums here, there's that like statue, you know,

1748
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.720
with the statue of the front, uh huh.

1749
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:34.920
And so our parking is like over here. So I'm

1750
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:37.640
usually like in the back because they actual construction crap.

1751
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:40.279
All up here. That's that big block they go back

1752
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:41.880
towards an scree, yes exactly.

1753
01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:45.079
But he knows that too when he showed up there

1754
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:46.079
a couple of weeks ago.

1755
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:49.199
When the last corn date was, and Carlington knows where

1756
01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:50.319
you park where?

1757
01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:50.640
Yeah?

1758
01:24:52.840 --> 01:24:53.039
Yeah?

1759
01:24:58.279 --> 01:24:58.479
Oh?

1760
01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:00.960
Any any at the end, you I didn't mean to

1761
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:03.119
scare you. I did. I just wanted to talk to you.

1762
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:05.239
He was very weepy and apologetic at it.

1763
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:08.119
When he got out of the car. I only talked

1764
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:08.880
about it as clothing.

1765
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:09.279
MM.

1766
01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:12.479
I wish I could you said it was a collared shirt.

1767
01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:15.119
It definitely was like a polo shirt. Yeah, I d

1768
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:16.199
definitely like that.

1769
01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:21.119
But I mean, I'm pretty positive he's sitting up there

1770
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:24.680
at work right now. Oh no, no, no, he's probably

1771
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:26.439
looking for me now cause I didn't each of the phone.

1772
01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:31.079
I don't know alf you send navy shorts with the

1773
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:32.039
cardinal shorts?

1774
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:35.920
Noah, now just they would just be no positive sports time.

1775
01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:41.800
And your know what colored senters shoes were.

1776
01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:44.800
They were a dark colored brust You remember if he

1777
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:47.319
did say I've got to get rid of the stone.

1778
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:48.479
He did say that.

1779
01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:50.319
I don't know why if you say.

1780
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:53.880
That towards the end, maybe as he was even tapping

1781
01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:57.319
it up. I don't think I asked him a question

1782
01:25:57.439 --> 01:25:59.680
on that, but he he's mumbled something like that.

1783
01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:10.439
But the minute he finds out that I came here,

1784
01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:14.119
he's gonna lose it like again. And that's when I'm

1785
01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:15.279
that's why I didn't wanna come.

1786
01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:17.399
Well, he did the right thing.

1787
01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:22.000
It's I like that, because what am I gonna do

1788
01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:25.159
when I leave here that lady's gonna take me get

1789
01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:28.159
a restraining order? He's not gonna pay attention to it.

1790
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:33.119
And then what's gonna happen like other than that anything?

1791
01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:36.199
What do you mean, like, well he don't get arrested

1792
01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.239
or I mean, is he just gonna I mean I

1793
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:41.399
just I just don't know. Ye, if he finds out today,

1794
01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:43.680
I thought a restraining order, that's it.

1795
01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:45.319
And you say I'm army cause.

1796
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:47.439
He he'll be so mind alright, and that lot of

1797
01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:48.600
there's a lot of different things.

1798
01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:52.079
I mean, yes, you're all looking at criminal charges at

1799
01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:53.800
the same time, we're also worried by's welfare.

1800
01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:56.920
Yes, yes, so you know there's always be correct, there's

1801
01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.760
always an option. I agree with that. And like I said,

1802
01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:02.279
was everything that happened, yes, I mean the rest is

1803
01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:07.119
very likely. But again, if if he's.

1804
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:10.399
Arrested, they can't get him that mental health yes, help treatment,

1805
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:13.960
you know, if we have enough to arrest him and

1806
01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.399
the rest is gonna be done over a Maker Act due.

1807
01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:16.920
To the charges.

1808
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:20.720
But the jail is a receiving facility in those cases

1809
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:24.479
where they can into the mental health treatment. If it

1810
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:26.399
goes to court, I mean, they're gonna they'll try and

1811
01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:28.520
get him some help. There are options that the court

1812
01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:30.720
can make him get smelt. I know you say he's

1813
01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:36.119
gonna go in the rehab to the cork in order rehab, Okay, alright,

1814
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:38.039
and again that's all I can't tell you that it's

1815
01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:40.640
gonna happen. But I have seen times where the court

1816
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:43.720
orders rehab is part of probation or whatever, and that

1817
01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:44.760
they'll work all that out.

1818
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:47.039
I think that's getting a little ahead of us right now.

1819
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:52.199
With his diachology, you're saying that's odd. Would you be

1820
01:27:52.279 --> 01:27:53.960
willing to do a control call too? It is bad

1821
01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:57.479
to see if the dead says anything, or to Brown himself.

1822
01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:03.359
Oh my gosh, Brian's gonna ask me immediately, where are you?

1823
01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:04.680
Why are you not at work?

1824
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:05.760
So?

1825
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:12.840
And then his dad, I don't know.

1826
01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:16.159
I mean, you know what I'm saying, like, I'm not

1827
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:17.439
gonna stand at the SHARE's apartment.

1828
01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:19.960
Alright, Well, it's hardly if you ask him where you're at.

1829
01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:21.239
All you gotta do is tell him you had to

1830
01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:27.880
get go somewhere by yourself and think, yeah, I don't.

1831
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:29.920
I really don't wanna make contact with him. I mean,

1832
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:31.840
unless y'all be it necessary.

1833
01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:37.920
Well, it's your option if he if he if he

1834
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:40.960
told his dad what took place, and his dad is

1835
01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:43.359
checking on you and expresses he explained it to him

1836
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:49.920
or whatever, then we've got uh that information that he's

1837
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:53.439
told somebody else. If he wands up sitting here having

1838
01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:58.000
a conversation with you about it. That's just more evidence

1839
01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:02.960
per se the corroborating your story about what took place.

1840
01:29:05.479 --> 01:29:08.439
I think Marcus is calling me just to set that

1841
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:11.319
conversation up, because Brian really didn't wanna tell his dad

1842
01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:11.920
in the details.

1843
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:13.319
He he wanted to.

1844
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:15.800
Tell him that he reached he ruck bottom, stuff like that,

1845
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:18.960
but he didn't wanna tell him the details because because

1846
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:21.239
his dad is so upset about the mom and there

1847
01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:22.520
or if he kept bringing that up.

1848
01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:24.239
That they are going through that. So he didn't want

1849
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:25.439
to tell his dad.

1850
01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:29.079
So I don't I don't think calling his dad. I'm

1851
01:29:29.399 --> 01:29:31.039
h probably a hundred percent sure he didn't tell him

1852
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:32.720
all the details. So it's not like Marcus would repeat

1853
01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:34.600
him all back to me, because I'm pretty it was

1854
01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:37.640
gonna take me going there and me basically.

1855
01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:38.119
Making him do it.

1856
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:40.560
And the reason he would do that is because he

1857
01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:42.319
would think I would call them the worse off when

1858
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:43.279
we would get back together.

1859
01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:46.800
In the end, him calling me, he's just gonna be

1860
01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:51.279
where are you? What are you doing? He's gonna wanna

1861
01:29:51.319 --> 01:30:04.479
set up that meeting with Marcus. I don't know, Oh

1862
01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:06.119
my god, I don't know, because I don't want I

1863
01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:09.600
don't want to make him more mad before he even

1864
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:15.319
finds out, you know what I'm saying. And the point

1865
01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:16.800
would be to try to get him to say stuff

1866
01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:18.600
like and to find.

1867
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:20.920
Out where he is. If if he was bound up

1868
01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:26.760
telling you wanna meet you prior to going there, and we.

1869
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:30.239
Could try to have people in that area whenever he arrives,

1870
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:34.079
not somewhere necessarily that he out at that second, but

1871
01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:35.840
even if he did put it where a so other

1872
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:37.840
road and said I'm a capital circle and putting into

1873
01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:41.199
the CBS anything like that would give us an idea

1874
01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:42.319
of where his location.

1875
01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:45.560
It's cause the FSUO police already have the information and

1876
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:47.720
we've got the information out.

1877
01:30:48.359 --> 01:30:51.039
Our thing now is to locate him, checking on his welfare,

1878
01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:55.840
uh as you say, Cause we don't. It would just

1879
01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:58.920
be beneficial to did locate him, do you know?

1880
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:00.800
I mean, have y'all checked him at his work in

1881
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:02.079
the parking lot to see if he's there.

1882
01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:02.800
Way, we've got.

1883
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:04.760
People checking cause I think, I mean, I think that's

1884
01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:05.159
where he's not.

1885
01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:09.640
We'll just think about it. I don't think about if

1886
01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:10.800
you can think if you much.

1887
01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:13.159
Then, but one of our biggest goals is to be

1888
01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:15.239
able to locate right right right, right, Well.

1889
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:16.960
If they find out, if you can't find out from

1890
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.119
those people, if he's Chuck is at work, cause that's

1891
01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:23.199
what I'm thinking. I'm really thinking that is there cause

1892
01:31:23.239 --> 01:31:26.920
he thinks coming there later time? What time even, isn't it?

1893
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:27.720
Yeah?

1894
01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:33.560
He would think anyway, y yeah, if.

1895
01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:38.560
You can find that out, alright.

1896
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.640
I'm just I've told this story a million times.

1897
01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:44.680
I want a few more times.

1898
01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:49.359
Are they going through my par now?

1899
01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:55.079
They were saying to du yeah, Yan Janna want to

1900
01:31:55.159 --> 01:32:00.680
get key transl Ansley is at j us in his house.

1901
01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:02.880
So but Brian would never know where I been is

1902
01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:08.239
right now, I'm assuming Brian's at work. He's He's called me,

1903
01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:09.239
his das called me.

1904
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:12.279
Did you answer the phone or text me? Did he

1905
01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:14.239
say rip call? What he say say?

1906
01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:18.000
He he has to use apps text STAPs on his

1907
01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:20.439
phone because I I've blocked so many numbers from him.

1908
01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:24.159
So this must be another text staff number. And he

1909
01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:28.199
sent this that and that's his celf and that was

1910
01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:28.920
around one.

1911
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:31.800
You think that's him?

1912
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:34.239
That is Ymberships. He's tell he's telling me a town

1913
01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:39.000
is real? At what want refence him? But I think

1914
01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:41.239
I think it's I think you'll find at truck at work.

1915
01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:41.600
I don't.

1916
01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:44.840
I don't know if any Sich called for you.

1917
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:48.600
But Marcus Marcus said, says, please call me at one thirty,

1918
01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:52.680
but I don't wanna call him. They I I don't

1919
01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:53.840
know why he's calling me.

1920
01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:56.439
I don't know if Marcus would be He think he

1921
01:32:56.600 --> 01:32:57.239
taught to Marcus.

1922
01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:00.680
Well, Brian said, I convinced him like someone had to

1923
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:02.520
know what he had done for us to tell Marcus

1924
01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:04.920
because he wouldn't turn in that reise someone else would know.

1925
01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:07.359
And then he said he'd I don't want to tell

1926
01:33:07.399 --> 01:33:08.720
hibou the gun. I don't wanna tell. I'll just tell

1927
01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:10.239
him that I hit right, But like he didn't wanna

1928
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:11.279
tell him the details.

1929
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:11.760
That I wanted him to tell.

1930
01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:14.520
So the fact when he's calling me, Brian might have

1931
01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:16.960
said something, but I know he didn't tell him the details.

1932
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:19.600
He wouldn't unless I was there, and I made him that.

1933
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:22.319
Kathy mentioned, should I tell Marcus? Let me ask Kathy

1934
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:24.880
want we.

1935
01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:26.479
Don't They have not found Brian yet?

1936
01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:27.279
Oh they haven't.

1937
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:33.079
What time is it? I sent John Barns over to

1938
01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:35.880
your mom's U and I think they told Donnys a

1939
01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:39.960
little bit. Well, if you did show up at worked

1940
01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:41.800
like you were supposed to, and he knows you're not there, right,

1941
01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.199
Where's he gonna go? Yeah, the only place I knew

1942
01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:46.960
that he knows the common would be Johnny's. So John

1943
01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:48.520
Barrage is there. She no one can get the john.

1944
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:49.760
He trying to get her lead and go over your

1945
01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:51.680
grandparents to stay there, but she won't leave the house.

1946
01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:56.840
I think he's probably driving around looking for me cause

1947
01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:59.680
he thinks I'm supposed to be at work. Cause I

1948
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:00.920
told him when I was going to check to work,

1949
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:01.600
he could call me on the.

1950
01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:03.199
Work phone to confirm it and then I would meet

1951
01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:05.560
him at Marcus later today at at his office.

1952
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:10.159
That's how we left Thectary Forest office. Now, Mark said north.

1953
01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:15.880
Ann Prest, Yes, and he said that he would that

1954
01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:18.199
we would talk to his dad together. That's how we

1955
01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:18.640
leved to.

1956
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:29.439
What dah, what did he pull out back in the

1957
01:34:29.479 --> 01:34:29.920
corners for?

1958
01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:34.720
And now he told them Then he told me, yeah,

1959
01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:38.960
I didn't know anything was back there, and he got

1960
01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:41.319
he got his knees.

1961
01:34:41.079 --> 01:34:43.399
Into the like that seat and started pulling stuff out

1962
01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:47.479
and from the great back mm that's where he was hiding.

1963
01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:50.439
And so he pulled it back up.

1964
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:50.880
He pulled.

1965
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:52.840
It was loose stuff like he pulled you know what.

1966
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:54.600
He might have slept there last night and that's why

1967
01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:55.199
she was there.

1968
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:55.560
I don't know.

1969
01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:57.319
I don't know how long he didn't, but he but

1970
01:34:57.439 --> 01:34:59.920
he pulled out that she that was like this color,

1971
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:02.840
and then he pulled out something else cause it took him.

1972
01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:04.520
It was heavy, So I that's why I think it

1973
01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:06.239
was some type of plastic. I'm pretty sure it was

1974
01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:09.000
pulled all that out, shoved all that in this backpack,

1975
01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:11.439
and then pulled something else out.

1976
01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:13.359
And again I don't know what it was. It was

1977
01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:15.239
bigger than a hammer, wider than a hareer, but I

1978
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:17.039
don't know what it was. Put that in there.

1979
01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:18.840
And then there was this bottle like this big of

1980
01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:21.359
like industrial bleach, like a bob and he pulled that out.

1981
01:35:21.239 --> 01:35:21.840
And put that in there.

1982
01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:23.520
And then when he turned around and sat down and said,

1983
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:25.079
where's the gun cause he was about to get out,

1984
01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:26.960
and he goes right here, and it was on the floor.

1985
01:35:27.039 --> 01:35:29.119
He picked it up, put that on top, and then

1986
01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:32.000
sipped it up and then was un zipped a little

1987
01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:33.680
tiny pocket that I could see that was right here

1988
01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:34.399
and guns kisa.

1989
01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:36.960
So he told you he was there. Can kill himself.

1990
01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:40.359
This morning he told me that he had nothing else

1991
01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:43.399
to live for and that he wanted to kill himself.

1992
01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:44.880
He told me that many times. He told me he

1993
01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:46.720
bought the gun to kill himself. Cause I said, where

1994
01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:48.520
did you get this gun? Because I've never seen a

1995
01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:50.840
like a gun that you would kill people with. You know,

1996
01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:54.119
he's just got the hunting guns, And he said, I

1997
01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:55.319
bought it to kill myself.

1998
01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:58.199
What do you think he wrong on other stuff, for

1999
01:35:58.439 --> 01:35:58.720
I had.

2000
01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:01.680
No idea because at one point I asked him, I said,

2001
01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:03.560
did you really plan on to day being in the

2002
01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:06.640
day that you would both die? And he said, well me,

2003
01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:09.680
but then when I saw that other stuff, that doesn't

2004
01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:11.600
make sense, so I don't That's what.

2005
01:36:11.680 --> 01:36:16.680
He said, Denise. He was going to kill you, and

2006
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:18.479
for whatever reason he didn't go through with it. He

2007
01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:21.239
brought that stuff you usede to cover his tracks. And

2008
01:36:21.319 --> 01:36:23.600
I'm sorry. You know that I love you and I

2009
01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:25.880
would never let anything happen to you. But I'm not

2010
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:28.359
gonna sit here and sugarcoat stuff you. You did the

2011
01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:31.880
right thing by all this. The Denise, he was gonna

2012
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:32.159
kill you.

2013
01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:34.279
Well then, well then when he finds out after four

2014
01:36:34.279 --> 01:36:36.640
o'clock that there's a restraining order. He's gonna know that.

2015
01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:38.119
I told that he's gonna.

2016
01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:38.319
Come for me.

2017
01:36:39.039 --> 01:36:40.960
Well, hopefully I'll kill himself. I don't want to worry

2018
01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:44.720
about it. Okay, he's had control of you for years

2019
01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:48.880
and years and years. He has ruined your life. You

2020
01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:50.800
and that are the same age. But y'all sure don't

2021
01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:53.359
look at it has eaten at you and eating at

2022
01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:55.359
you and I I couldn't say anything. I talked to

2023
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:57.479
one one time and said, we need to talk to Denise.

2024
01:36:57.800 --> 01:36:59.960
Then he wouldn't do it, he said, I'm just flash.

2025
01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:02.680
He didn't go crazy. Okay, but you've been living in

2026
01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:05.000
a crazy life forever and he finally had enough to

2027
01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:11.239
get out. I know, I know, Denise, he did it,

2028
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.079
and you know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't

2029
01:37:14.119 --> 01:37:16.920
think you had anything ever whatsoever to be held that

2030
01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:21.119
over your head forever. And he was gonna do it again.

2031
01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:23.239
He wasn't gonna kill himself, de niece. He was gonna

2032
01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:25.399
kill you so that you didn't talk about him later.

2033
01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:29.159
That is the truth. I've been in this too long.

2034
01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:33.680
I've talked to everybody I know over the years, for

2035
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:43.000
fifteen years about how and what we could do. Fifteen

2036
01:37:43.079 --> 01:37:45.159
years ago, he walked in told you he had done something,

2037
01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:53.359
didn't he? Oh, Denise, Oh you haven't got he is.

2038
01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:56.279
This is not going the way. Okay, he's going to

2039
01:37:56.399 --> 01:37:58.960
kill you. He's either gonna kill himself because he got

2040
01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:01.239
no other avenue, but he gonna try and control you.

2041
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:03.880
He's gonna try to stop people from talking about what

2042
01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:09.359
he did. You say, No, I don't. Would he would

2043
01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:11.680
he go get Ansley and hold Ansley and call you

2044
01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:15.319
and say do what I say? Would he kill Annsley?

2045
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:15.840
Would he?

2046
01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:19.159
I don't. I don't think he could killed me. The

2047
01:38:19.319 --> 01:38:21.960
only person that's importing to him is him. He didn't

2048
01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:25.359
bring that crap to kill himself and bury himself. He'd

2049
01:38:25.399 --> 01:38:26.880
already to kill you and bury you. Give him the

2050
01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:28.560
problem cause he knows he's got a problem.

2051
01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:31.600
He didn't stay any of that.

2052
01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:38.359
This is not how divorce is getting. What did he

2053
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:39.359
ever say to you back then?

2054
01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:46.760
Back then about mine? Oh? I never had any reason

2055
01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:49.279
to believe that he would do that. I d I

2056
01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:52.600
mean what I never would have believed the only what

2057
01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:53.000
you do?

2058
01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:54.720
You remember the time what took Atlanta when you had

2059
01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:56.760
a boyfriend up there and he showed up with a gun. Yeah,

2060
01:38:57.880 --> 01:38:59.439
what makes you think he wouldn't do something to la?

2061
01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:00.840
I guess because.

2062
01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:10.319
Not now, but he and obviously this doesn't He loves

2063
01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.359
the Lord. He was a Christian, That's why I married him.

2064
01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:15.960
He was doing prison ministry. I was doing prison ministry.

2065
01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:20.279
I had no reason. And I've never seen him like this.

2066
01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:22.880
I've never seen him like this, Sadden.

2067
01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:25.239
This way fourteen years ago, any Land.

2068
01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:26.640
Not like this.

2069
01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:28.000
This was different.

2070
01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:31.920
This was very different. This took it to a whole another.

2071
01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:34.560
Knowing what you know over fifteen years, do you think

2072
01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:37.079
he would do something like knowing what you know now?

2073
01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:40.039
Because it took me a long time ride, I said.

2074
01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:44.359
No, no, no, no, no, not what you even after today,

2075
01:39:45.279 --> 01:39:49.640
even after everything that he said to me today, I

2076
01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:52.319
do not believe. I know, I don't and I don't

2077
01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:54.399
believe he was there to hurt me. He said, over

2078
01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:56.520
and over. I want to kill myself.

2079
01:39:56.720 --> 01:39:58.960
I don't want to leave. I'm so miserable. I have

2080
01:39:59.039 --> 01:39:59.760
nothing to live for.

2081
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:03.399
It's brought plastic and implement to bury you. And you

2082
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:08.640
think he can hurt you. I just I guess.

2083
01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:12.039
I I can't believe it. And he didn't say I

2084
01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:13.800
mean he had the gun on me. But he didn't

2085
01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:14.560
always say.

2086
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:17.159
Sensor to hurt me, right, he did say that.

2087
01:40:17.399 --> 01:40:23.640
He screamed that, Yeah, that's what. We can't put it

2088
01:40:23.800 --> 01:40:27.439
back in the bottle. No, okay. And there's no amount

2089
01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:30.600
of counseling that's gonna help him. He's not gonna he

2090
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:33.439
was never normal. He's never gonna return to whatever he was.

2091
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:36.640
The only thing that's gonna work out is you testify

2092
01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.239
and he goes to prison, and he goes to prison

2093
01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:42.880
for at least the period of time, and maybe it's five, ten,

2094
01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:46.399
fifteen years, but at some point he may get back out. Okay,

2095
01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:50.720
if he kills himself, we'll problem solved. But you can't.

2096
01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:52.760
I don't believe it. I believe he has something to

2097
01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:54.159
do in life. I absolutely believe it.

2098
01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:56.680
I I do not that that that this what you're

2099
01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:59.000
talking about, has nothing to do with tonight. Tonight is

2100
01:40:59.039 --> 01:41:00.600
what I'm worried about. When to keep when I go

2101
01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:02.840
fi this, he's gonna.

2102
01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:05.079
Know, well, he's gonna know no matter what, because he's

2103
01:41:05.079 --> 01:41:07.479
going to jail to day. If we buy me until

2104
01:41:07.520 --> 01:41:09.960
we find you. You think you're in danger, yeah, you

2105
01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:11.560
think Handsy's in danger? Yeah?

2106
01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:17.199
And I don't know the Stafford and me and Ansell. Yeah, okay,

2107
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:19.079
because he drive around.

2108
01:41:18.800 --> 01:41:19.199
With a gun.

2109
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:21.880
Hey, no one wants to hurt himself. He would hurt anything,

2110
01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:23.159
would he wants.

2111
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:25.840
He wants me to stop the divorce. That's what he

2112
01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:28.520
kept saying. I have nothing to look for if you

2113
01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:30.239
fall through with this, I have nothing.

2114
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:32.279
To look for. Could it's not like he can't be

2115
01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:32.800
back together?

2116
01:41:34.119 --> 01:41:36.159
Well, and that's what he wants. And that's pretty much

2117
01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:38.399
what I had to I didn't say that, but I

2118
01:41:38.479 --> 01:41:41.279
pretty much had to say, we'll meet with Marcus. This

2119
01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:42.880
could I didn't say at the beginning, I said, this

2120
01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:43.520
could be your.

2121
01:41:43.479 --> 01:41:45.760
Rock bottom and this could be you know all that

2122
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:47.880
I said, all that I didn't say I would call

2123
01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:55.640
it the divorce. Do you think he would really kill himself? Yeah,

2124
01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:57.560
He's threatened it so many times.

2125
01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:01.960
To me, I believe you know enough about he said something.

2126
01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:07.119
He alluded to something. Why not with his money and

2127
01:42:07.479 --> 01:42:10.960
his youth, move on to something else. What is so

2128
01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:13.840
important about keeping the niece, which which he has, Because

2129
01:42:14.680 --> 01:42:17.199
you're going to say something that he has said in

2130
01:42:17.279 --> 01:42:19.760
the past, and this is by being married to is

2131
01:42:19.800 --> 01:42:21.960
the one way he can keep control of that even

2132
01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:25.079
if it's a little something he has said something to

2133
01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:28.359
you that he said at some point about then I

2134
01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:29.319
would really have to.

2135
01:42:35.239 --> 01:42:38.520
To think about it, because I don't he he's sleeping

2136
01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:41.039
with all the prostitutes, he is doing all that. I

2137
01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:43.239
I mean, I've always thought that he wanted to stay

2138
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:46.000
with me because of money, because he can do his

2139
01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:49.039
hunting leases and live his life large because of money.

2140
01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:51.000
And honestly, this divorce that you said at today is

2141
01:42:51.039 --> 01:42:53.039
gonna bury him. And it is because he's gonna lose

2142
01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:55.680
the office building that we own together and he's gonna

2143
01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:56.239
lose his home.

2144
01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:01.119
And so to me, that's that That's what always made sin,

2145
01:43:01.239 --> 01:43:03.640
That's what makes sense to me is money.

2146
01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:07.319
And and then he has the prostitutes and then he

2147
01:43:07.479 --> 01:43:11.640
still has me. That that's what he wants. And that's

2148
01:43:11.680 --> 01:43:15.680
why he was saying that that he's not at the

2149
01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:16.439
office right now.

2150
01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:19.600
And I'll eat their sure not if be worthy, it'd

2151
01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:20.479
already have him by now.

2152
01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:21.880
But what are they gonna do.

2153
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:25.760
They're gonna arrest him, yeah, and like and say these

2154
01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:27.000
are charge charges?

2155
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:28.279
Yeah, Like what would that be?

2156
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:28.560
Right?

2157
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:30.520
I would think kidnapping would be pretty serious charge.

2158
01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:31.920
They'll be a charge, yeah.

2159
01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:33.800
At some point you'll have to do before and maybe

2160
01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:36.680
a judging jury and play this out for them too.

2161
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:39.079
But just like I don't do anything here, just like

2162
01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:40.720
I diden, Yeah, these are guys are just getting the

2163
01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:44.560
information to get uh a report generated, maybe a warp

2164
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:47.359
of the rest, okay, and that's the right thing to do.

2165
01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:49.680
But you, yeah, you may have to relive this again

2166
01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:50.880
in front of strangers.

2167
01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:53.800
I j I really wanna get through tonight, and I

2168
01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:56.000
wanna get through knowing that he knows. And then I'm

2169
01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:56.600
still a lot.

2170
01:43:57.640 --> 01:43:59.359
Well, we're gonna keep you a lot and not anything

2171
01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:02.439
happen to you, live with you forever. That's true. When

2172
01:44:02.479 --> 01:44:03.600
you have to, you have to live with me until

2173
01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:04.600
he's either in jail or dead.

2174
01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:07.560
He is threatened.

2175
01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:11.159
I stayed with him so long before we separated because

2176
01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:12.680
he would threatened suicide all the time, and he knew

2177
01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:14.079
that would get me, and it got me every time.

2178
01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:18.600
So he's been threatening suicide for over five years. I

2179
01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:20.880
think people that threaten suicide don't.

2180
01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:21.960
Do it, so I don't.

2181
01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:24.159
I don't think he's gonna do it. If he he

2182
01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:30.119
would have done it today, if he was today, I can't.

2183
01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:30.680
I can't.

2184
01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:36.800
I just can't.

2185
01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:37.840
What do you think he preserved to do?

2186
01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:41.520
W I mean what he said, which was ju he

2187
01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:43.239
wants to talk me out of the divorce.

2188
01:44:43.399 --> 01:44:46.439
That's what he kept saying, screaming, what'd he tell you

2189
01:44:46.439 --> 01:44:47.960
to turn? You remember when you left?

2190
01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:50.920
What he keepkept saying? You're gonna go to the roundabout

2191
01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:53.760
and you're gonna and I think he said he kept

2192
01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:56.359
I think he kept saying turn left, and I never

2193
01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:59.800
would the roundabout, I don't. I think he wanted to

2194
01:44:59.800 --> 01:45:00.800
be a go like.

2195
01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:03.079
I don't know he he said, sound like you're gonna

2196
01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:05.600
go to the roundabout because you could only turn right there.

2197
01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:07.079
But I think he wanted me to go.

2198
01:45:07.239 --> 01:45:08.720
I felt like he wanted me to go because when

2199
01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:10.439
we first went out, he wanted me to turn left,

2200
01:45:10.560 --> 01:45:11.880
like by Westminster.

2201
01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:13.479
So he came out of your house, he wanted you

2202
01:45:13.479 --> 01:45:14.079
to turn left.

2203
01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:16.880
Well, I was already I'll make a Siokie road when

2204
01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:20.359
he appeared, and and so I was probably halfway in

2205
01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:22.119
the roundabout. And then he kept wanting me to turn

2206
01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:24.199
left and I wouldn't, and then he said you're and

2207
01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:25.119
that's when he put the gun to me.

2208
01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:26.840
He said, you're gonna go to the roundabout. And you're

2209
01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:27.680
gonna I.

2210
01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:29.479
I think he wanted me to take it, and then

2211
01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:32.279
I I don't know, maybe he said right at that point,

2212
01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:34.239
but he wanted me to get off of that road

2213
01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:39.000
and go this way, which would be just hoist the

2214
01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:39.479
ER's day.

2215
01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:45.520
I go, where's the sat and Extina SIPs and that's

2216
01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:47.039
up oh A twelve north of town.

2217
01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:52.640
Mm, that's it's off Millernig Road. And then it's Scrunts Rubber.

2218
01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:55.800
But he humps right there off the neigh road. But yeah,

2219
01:45:55.840 --> 01:46:02.520
he kept wanting me to turn ruch that he had

2220
01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:06.439
been in my house because he said things that he

2221
01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:09.920
wouldn't have known me without have been in my house.

2222
01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:13.640
And I have changed changed three times. I've changed him

2223
01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:15.720
three times, and it doesn't matter.

2224
01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:18.119
It's too easy to get him.

2225
01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:21.000
And I just feel like this restraining order's not gonna

2226
01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:23.479
stop him. An alarm system at my house isn't gonna

2227
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:24.000
stop him.

2228
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:25.000
What's gonna stop him?

2229
01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:27.640
Well, I guess if he kills himself and I don't

2230
01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:29.720
have to worry, that's a good one that I don't.

2231
01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:31.840
I just don't think he's going to.

2232
01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:34.119
All this stuff are restaining order put him to jail

2233
01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:36.359
or doing nothing, which is gonna stop him.

2234
01:46:37.319 --> 01:46:39.920
Well, I'm I'm here trying to do something. I still

2235
01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:40.920
don't feel right about it.

2236
01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:44.239
My mind feel right about him.

2237
01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:47.119
Because I know what's gonna happen when he finds out,

2238
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:51.159
He's gonna be mad. And when he left me, he

2239
01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:53.880
was calm, he was crying, he was sorry, he was

2240
01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:55.880
I can deal with that.

2241
01:46:56.800 --> 01:46:57.880
I can't deal with the other.

2242
01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:03.159
It's I've never seen him like this, never l he

2243
01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:08.560
was often. I mean he was crazy. I've never seen

2244
01:47:08.600 --> 01:47:08.960
him like this.

2245
01:47:09.119 --> 01:47:10.920
I'm sure it's different now it was, but go back

2246
01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:11.479
to Atlanta.

2247
01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:15.520
Yeah, yeah, but when I think about that now compared.

2248
01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:17.479
To this, that was what within that was in the

2249
01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:20.199
first two years of my disaperience.

2250
01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:22.119
Probably.

2251
01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:26.600
Two to three I would say, I'm not positive that,

2252
01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:27.840
I would say a company three.

2253
01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:30.680
But yeah, but this doesn't hold a candle.

2254
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:34.319
But driving all the way to Atlanta because you're hanging

2255
01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:38.000
out to some guy m and then he he confronted.

2256
01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:39.920
That guy with the gun, right, Well, he always said

2257
01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:43.000
he had one. No one ever saw it, but I didn't.

2258
01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:45.800
I mean I didn't show it to me. I mean

2259
01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:48.119
I never saw it. And the guy that we never

2260
01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:49.359
saw it. But that's what, Yeah, he.

2261
01:47:49.439 --> 01:47:52.640
Threwn that over and over. I mean that was this

2262
01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:54.560
was this was different.

2263
01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:57.960
And I've never seen a gun like that. I've never Oh.

2264
01:47:58.000 --> 01:47:59.279
And he did say I've got to get rid of

2265
01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:01.520
this gun. He didn't say that, And I don't know

2266
01:48:02.359 --> 01:48:03.920
cause I said the where did you get that gun?

2267
01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:06.600
And he said I bought it to kill myself. And

2268
01:48:06.680 --> 01:48:08.119
then at the end, when he was getting ready to

2269
01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.119
get out of a car, after he had everything.

2270
01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:12.199
Together, he said, I got to get heard of this gun.

2271
01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:13.359
And I didn't say.

2272
01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:15.800
I didn't let me call it that. He did say that,

2273
01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:20.319
and I doesn't know what that means. He didn't do it.

2274
01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:24.119
I mean, it's m He held it and he had

2275
01:48:24.159 --> 01:48:25.039
it between his lags the.

2276
01:48:25.039 --> 01:48:35.840
Whole time on the seat. What about that? If if

2277
01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:38.520
Deborah were sitting here and you were sitting here, and

2278
01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:40.920
when she told you that I had done all this,

2279
01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:44.319
what would you tell them?

2280
01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:46.159
Run?

2281
01:48:47.359 --> 01:48:49.319
Would you tell her to don't worry about it? Yeah,

2282
01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:50.960
I'm not gonna go forward. I fel bad. If you

2283
01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:54.800
shouldn't do anything, He'll get better. No, No, cause it's

2284
01:48:54.840 --> 01:48:56.800
not how rational people act, and those people do not

2285
01:48:56.880 --> 01:48:59.600
get better. And if you she sat there and told

2286
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:04.600
you that he brought miss Queen and this is crazy. Okay, Coolly,

2287
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:05.640
that is crazy.

2288
01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:07.520
Do you understand it's crazy?

2289
01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:09.000
You gotta be able to see it from out here?

2290
01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:09.800
But I did.

2291
01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:13.359
I mean, he was not there to kill himself. The

2292
01:49:13.479 --> 01:49:15.680
threat to kill myself was to get you to do

2293
01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.720
what he wanted to do to do. He's so crazy

2294
01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:22.159
that he believed you should believe. You wouldn't tell anybody

2295
01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:26.960
that he kidnapped you. I promised him. I know, n y,

2296
01:49:27.039 --> 01:49:30.159
that's how crazy he is. Are you kidding me? You

2297
01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:32.079
say anything you did, you did it right, you handle

2298
01:49:32.119 --> 01:49:34.079
it perfectly. Should never do what he says by fear

2299
01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:37.199
life and go to a FA and you got him

2300
01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:39.760
to calm down and you got that he did. Yeah,

2301
01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:42.000
he like believe he had to believe. Think how crazy

2302
01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:44.399
is if I were in that frame of mind, never

2303
01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:45.960
told me about until like now you think I would

2304
01:49:46.000 --> 01:49:46.359
good for that?

2305
01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:48.039
Yeah?

2306
01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:49.760
Well, if I'm in that frame of mind, I mind

2307
01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:52.520
be cause I am totally off my rocker. Well he's yeah,

2308
01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:56.600
cause he still has his little time. Believe it's a

2309
01:49:56.600 --> 01:49:58.359
little cause that's all he wants is he to stay

2310
01:49:58.399 --> 01:50:02.560
with him. But he will never be wrong. He's not normal.

2311
01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:05.439
And I'm sure if you think about the last fifteen years,

2312
01:50:05.880 --> 01:50:11.119
there had been tons of yeah, abnormal things. I mean,

2313
01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:13.039
I I know you didn't tell me about any of 'em.

2314
01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:15.039
In terms of I heard a little bit, like the

2315
01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:18.680
the gun thing in Atlanta. I heard about that, But

2316
01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:21.640
other than that, I've heard nothing until the last year.

2317
01:50:23.279 --> 01:50:25.560
You said to brand him an email about how terrified

2318
01:50:25.640 --> 01:50:27.239
you are of you You knew a year ago.

2319
01:50:27.960 --> 01:50:30.199
But yeah, during you mean the year ago, like from

2320
01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:31.520
like what since we've been separated?

2321
01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:33.880
Yeah, he said, I don't even how long it was separated.

2322
01:50:33.880 --> 01:50:36.039
Well, he grabbed me the last day and that's why

2323
01:50:36.079 --> 01:50:39.399
I picked him out that that was almost four years ago.

2324
01:50:40.560 --> 01:50:43.520
He grabbed me four years ago during that.

2325
01:50:43.560 --> 01:50:45.039
Was the last day that he lived with me. Now

2326
01:50:45.800 --> 01:50:48.399
you ever hit you, well, I mean that that was

2327
01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:50.399
the worst that it died physically, like he just like

2328
01:50:50.479 --> 01:50:51.359
threw me against the ball.

2329
01:50:52.159 --> 01:50:54.079
Did you talk you were tired of the craft? Yeah?

2330
01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:57.560
No, he was wanting da He all of all the

2331
01:50:57.560 --> 01:50:59.439
issues we've had all during the marriage have to do

2332
01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:03.000
with sexual issues, and he like, now he's using prostitutes

2333
01:51:03.039 --> 01:51:05.720
and that's what he wanted. He I married him because

2334
01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:07.560
he was living for the Lord and was a Christian

2335
01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:10.039
and it was everything that I had ever wanted. That slowly,

2336
01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:12.520
within about the first year, he stopped doing my studies.

2337
01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:14.680
He stopped doing everything, and then it then it that

2338
01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:16.359
way and it was all sexual related.

2339
01:51:16.439 --> 01:51:18.840
He's a commerce he's a con man.

2340
01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:21.000
But that's what the fight was about.

2341
01:51:21.199 --> 01:51:22.920
And then I was going through counseling at the church,

2342
01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:25.479
so I drove, I ran out of the house and

2343
01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:27.000
drove to their office.

2344
01:51:27.039 --> 01:51:28.880
The people, the elder and his wife, and so they

2345
01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:30.159
know all of that situation.

2346
01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:32.520
He broke all my stuff. He it was awful.

2347
01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:34.159
But that was the last day he lived with me

2348
01:51:34.399 --> 01:51:36.880
in November first, only four years, so it's probably about

2349
01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:37.840
three and a half years ago.

2350
01:51:38.079 --> 01:51:39.520
He hasn't lived here in three and a half years.

2351
01:51:40.079 --> 01:51:43.039
M And see, I didn't even know until I guess

2352
01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:45.960
it's been a year whatever. You sent that email to

2353
01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:49.279
the EPRA, Dianna, and I don't know if I scott it.

2354
01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:51.239
But that's almost been four It was November first, it's

2355
01:51:51.239 --> 01:51:52.279
almost spent four years.

2356
01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:56.279
But was in that the emails last year wasn't like

2357
01:51:56.399 --> 01:51:59.640
within the last year. What made you send an email?

2358
01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:01.359
I guess I need to see it cause I don't.

2359
01:52:01.359 --> 01:52:03.199
I don't remember the details surrounding it. I don't know

2360
01:52:03.279 --> 01:52:05.359
if he had did what he had done.

2361
01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:08.640
But but again there's if anything happened to me, Brian

2362
01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:10.960
did it. I don't know.

2363
01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:12.520
I have to like it cause I'm not specipally where

2364
01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:16.800
you're talking about this, because we haven't lived together in

2365
01:52:16.880 --> 01:52:17.920
almost four years.

2366
01:52:18.039 --> 01:52:19.560
And he would try to get me to cont to

2367
01:52:19.680 --> 01:52:21.560
talk with him and stuff, and we did counseling, we

2368
01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:24.239
did everything that he he.

2369
01:52:24.359 --> 01:52:28.960
Was never genuine with it, and it never worked. And

2370
01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:30.880
then I and then I got an attorney last August,

2371
01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:37.239
which we're still fighting because he won't just okay, and

2372
01:52:37.279 --> 01:52:39.640
we have another corking Wednesday.

2373
01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:41.319
But even you told me y that's what he was.

2374
01:52:41.359 --> 01:52:43.079
Tryna taught me out of the Wednesday thing cause it's

2375
01:52:43.079 --> 01:52:45.600
a new dead deadline that he's not gonna make.

2376
01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:50.000
What makes him what? Why would he be so financial destitue?

2377
01:52:50.039 --> 01:52:53.560
I mean Marcus would take care of him, Yeah, but he's.

2378
01:52:53.560 --> 01:52:55.840
That Marcus is taking care of Jennifer and all four

2379
01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:58.000
of her kids because of her husband m So he's

2380
01:52:58.039 --> 01:53:00.239
doing the mortgage he I mean, he's doing everything for her.

2381
01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:02.600
He's at an age where he should be retired, but

2382
01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:04.439
his wife found out this month that she has to

2383
01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:06.880
do or cancer, so he's dealing with that.

2384
01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:08.760
I mean, he basically would.

2385
01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:10.439
Just throw money at Brian all these years, but now

2386
01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:13.159
and lately, if I don't, I get the impression that

2387
01:53:13.279 --> 01:53:16.520
that has been cut off, especially since when Stafford found

2388
01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:18.680
all this information out about what he was doing with

2389
01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:21.800
the prostitution and drugs. We believe that Marcus cut him

2390
01:53:21.800 --> 01:53:23.720
off at that point. So I think there's a lot

2391
01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:25.279
of And he kept saying that in the car to

2392
01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:28.920
day financial pressures. He kept talking about I'm losing it.

2393
01:53:29.720 --> 01:53:31.800
He said, I have people money all over count He

2394
01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:33.880
did say that I just remember that and that.

2395
01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:35.600
Might have to do with the drugs. That might have

2396
01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:37.760
to do with the prostitutes and the drugs, but he

2397
01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:40.960
said that today. So he's definitely money hurting.

2398
01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:45.399
But once you're divorced, like the office building, y'all had

2399
01:53:45.439 --> 01:53:48.000
an to praise, it'll need to be bought by one

2400
01:53:48.079 --> 01:53:50.720
or the other. But either way, half the proceeds to each.

2401
01:53:51.359 --> 01:53:53.680
That doesn't sound like I'm financial destitute. You how to

2402
01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:55.239
be getting least something out of that?

2403
01:53:55.720 --> 01:53:58.399
Yeah, and then the house what does the praise that? Well,

2404
01:53:58.399 --> 01:54:01.039
I don't know they're doing the doubt appraise on Now

2405
01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:02.880
the home appraisal that he lives in is both of

2406
01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:05.560
our home, but he refuses to let them do the appraisal,

2407
01:54:05.600 --> 01:54:08.680
so that hasn't been done yet. But the business makes money.

2408
01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:12.000
But when I had the appraisal walk through it, I

2409
01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:15.159
did notice that there were a lot of empty spaces.

2410
01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:17.199
And Brian's really good at the office and he's good

2411
01:54:17.239 --> 01:54:19.439
at getting people to rent and stuff, and it's it

2412
01:54:19.479 --> 01:54:20.319
didn't seem.

2413
01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:22.159
Like it was how it used to be in the

2414
01:54:22.199 --> 01:54:24.119
previous years. But I haven't been a part.

2415
01:54:24.039 --> 01:54:27.000
Of that business in the year, so I mean we

2416
01:54:27.079 --> 01:54:28.880
financial destiny. She's like you trying to tell you he

2417
01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:30.680
would he was gonna come into some money at the

2418
01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:33.920
end of the divorce. It would be something left year.

2419
01:54:34.119 --> 01:54:36.000
It wasn't, but it but it sounded to me like

2420
01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:38.560
he had it owed out like he he did say

2421
01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:42.000
he was like, I owe you money all over like thousands.

2422
01:54:42.039 --> 01:54:43.760
He kept saying thousands. So I don't know. I don't

2423
01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:46.159
know if she's walking out, but I'm thinking it might

2424
01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:47.239
have to do with drugs.

2425
01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:51.600
Because some of those te Stafford has pictures of all

2426
01:54:51.640 --> 01:54:54.159
the text on his phone with these girls and the

2427
01:54:54.199 --> 01:54:56.399
drugs and all that kind of stuff. And this girl

2428
01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:58.760
is ordering stuff because me and Kathy had to google

2429
01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:00.159
what even she was talking about.

2430
01:55:00.560 --> 01:55:04.199
And so that Brian was either getting him.

2431
01:55:04.199 --> 01:55:05.279
What did you about?

2432
01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:05.600
Uh?

2433
01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:06.359
We talk all us.

2434
01:55:06.399 --> 01:55:08.439
She knows every single thing. I mean, when when does

2435
01:55:08.479 --> 01:55:11.680
Stafford find out about It's been probably six weeks to

2436
01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:16.840
two months ago, and he left told Marcus. We told

2437
01:55:16.920 --> 01:55:21.479
Marcus and showed him everything, and then Marcus went to Brian's.

2438
01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:23.079
House got all stuff or step out and Stufford hadn't

2439
01:55:23.079 --> 01:55:24.800
been back and he hadn't talked to him since. So

2440
01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:28.119
that's a huge pressure on Brian too, because to me,

2441
01:55:28.159 --> 01:55:31.920
he wants his son, but he didn't stop worn around,

2442
01:55:31.960 --> 01:55:32.720
which is interesting.

2443
01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:36.680
But and so all I know his mom getting cancers

2444
01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:39.520
brand new. I won't talk to him. Stafford won't talk

2445
01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:42.079
to him. I mean, this is all the stuff he

2446
01:55:42.119 --> 01:55:44.319
listed out, list the reasons why he hadn't to go

2447
01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:45.840
to such extremes to get.

2448
01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:47.439
Me to talk to him. You think he was just

2449
01:55:47.479 --> 01:55:49.439
gonna killed you sep the fortune and the him.

2450
01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:51.079
I don't.

2451
01:55:51.159 --> 01:55:52.079
I still don't want.

2452
01:55:52.159 --> 01:55:54.239
I don't have my mind wrapped around the fact that

2453
01:55:54.359 --> 01:55:56.720
he was gonna kill me, so I can't really answer.

2454
01:55:57.720 --> 01:55:58.039
I don't know.

2455
01:55:58.319 --> 01:55:58.680
I'm this.

2456
01:55:58.840 --> 01:56:00.399
These are just all the things that he saying.

2457
01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:06.720
I don't I don't know. I don't know, but I know, Hay, the.

2458
01:56:06.760 --> 01:56:09.800
Grace of God, I got out there. I'm scared of

2459
01:56:09.880 --> 01:56:13.760
does for tonight you stay with us? But a lady

2460
01:56:13.880 --> 01:56:15.600
there's a lady that said we were gonna file a

2461
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:17.520
restraining order today. But I don't even know what time

2462
01:56:17.560 --> 01:56:19.399
it is. I don't know if we were like this

2463
01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:21.520
and which three, I don't know how long that takes.

2464
01:56:21.560 --> 01:56:23.760
I don't know that would long with the beads to do.

2465
01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:24.840
Do you think that I'll get it?

2466
01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:27.520
People get its people, But it's a piece of people,

2467
01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:27.920
I know.

2468
01:56:28.159 --> 01:56:29.920
And then what then they go show him?

2469
01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:34.319
They they're gonna they're gonna arrest him for kidnapping this morning,

2470
01:56:34.960 --> 01:56:37.359
and it's gonna be charged. N I wait, Well, I

2471
01:56:37.399 --> 01:56:39.159
don't know that. I don't know all the details. All

2472
01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:41.680
I get is a little bit you gave me, and uh,

2473
01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:43.439
from what you've told me, that's what it sounds like.

2474
01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:46.760
It could be something a little bit different, but it's domestic,

2475
01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:48.399
so it's gonna be very serious. For I'm a judge.

2476
01:56:48.439 --> 01:56:51.800
He's not gonna get out any time, and it's a

2477
01:56:51.840 --> 01:56:54.439
day or two uh to see a judge. But at

2478
01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:56.079
some point we got to bake on.

2479
01:56:56.199 --> 01:56:58.119
He is gonna get out, Yeah, you know, And that's

2480
01:56:58.439 --> 01:56:59.319
why don't wanna come.

2481
01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:01.720
What are the choice do you have?

2482
01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:06.399
I guess I was hoping Marcus was gonna solve it all.

2483
01:57:07.279 --> 01:57:09.319
Marcus got so much oft laers like to see he's

2484
01:57:09.319 --> 01:57:11.520
already cut him off. Then maybe he finally realizes that

2485
01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:13.239
it's time to quit helping him.

2486
01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:18.600
Mm, but I need to t I need to tell

2487
01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:21.279
my attorney what happened today. She doesn't know.

2488
01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:24.840
But but yeah, so what's your f So finish that

2489
01:57:24.920 --> 01:57:27.880
sentence you said? So he will probably get arrested and

2490
01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:29.399
then he'll get out in a couple of days.

2491
01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:35.079
Then what uh they'll end up uh save attorney will

2492
01:57:36.039 --> 01:57:37.840
uh by all the charges against him for whatever they

2493
01:57:37.920 --> 01:57:40.399
end up the charge is, and then it'll drag.

2494
01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:41.000
Out for some time.

2495
01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:41.720
It won't be quick.

2496
01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:43.960
Oh right, but during all that time, what about me?

2497
01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:44.920
What about Ansley?

2498
01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:47.079
That's right, and that's why you have to go through

2499
01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:51.199
with it. They may do electronic monitoring on him. I

2500
01:57:51.239 --> 01:57:53.119
mean they maybe they'll pick it up bond. But it's

2501
01:57:53.159 --> 01:57:54.880
never been any trouble, you know, they put a bond.

2502
01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:56.720
Bond just means a promise to show up at court,

2503
01:57:57.279 --> 01:57:58.640
and it doesn't mean that I can't go out and

2504
01:57:58.760 --> 01:58:01.479
kill you, right, Okay, think about that doctor of the

2505
01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:06.359
right on. He's living with dad. So in the meantime

2506
01:58:06.840 --> 01:58:08.399
you have to be worried about the isy where she

2507
01:58:08.479 --> 01:58:10.880
goes to school starting back. You gotta tell him school

2508
01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:13.199
what's going on so that they can watch out for her,

2509
01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:15.880
and uh make sure that she's always got somebody around

2510
01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:20.600
and she's never going home alone. May have to find

2511
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:24.159
something to rent or you actually stay with me, a Debora.

2512
01:58:24.359 --> 01:58:26.319
There's plenty of rent we can work around. He doesn't

2513
01:58:26.319 --> 01:58:28.600
know where I live. Could he find out absolutely? And

2514
01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:30.560
I know all the places that he can that he's

2515
01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:33.960
gonna come to. Don't know where it's perfectly safe, but

2516
01:58:34.039 --> 01:58:37.439
it's probably the safest, but I can think at least

2517
01:58:37.439 --> 01:58:41.560
there's always someone there. And Deniece, now I'm bringing my

2518
01:58:41.680 --> 01:58:47.640
fanid to it. Parker endeavorah or we love you. I

2519
01:58:47.640 --> 01:58:50.800
don't want anything to happen to you more inestly alright,

2520
01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:54.600
So I'm willing to accept that risk, and it's it's

2521
01:58:54.640 --> 01:58:56.720
more real to me than anybody, because we see all

2522
01:58:56.720 --> 01:59:00.640
the time has happened here, tass. This is not a

2523
01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:04.359
human being who loves people, who cares about people, react

2524
01:59:04.479 --> 01:59:07.680
or behave. This is about power, This is about money

2525
01:59:08.279 --> 01:59:11.159
and Denise, you've got to get in your head. Did

2526
01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:14.119
see because he didn't hurt you? Well you think, well,

2527
01:59:14.279 --> 01:59:17.399
there's some good in him. There's not. For whatever reason,

2528
01:59:17.439 --> 01:59:21.399
he backed off the day okay, and Pansy would have

2529
01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:22.640
had no mother and no father.

2530
01:59:23.159 --> 01:59:24.840
And I think you did because I told him pretty

2531
01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:25.720
much what he wanted to hear.

2532
01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:28.079
That's the onlyest. I don't know how he talked your

2533
01:59:28.079 --> 01:59:31.760
way out of him, but get you to listen or

2534
01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:34.159
didn't listen to him and drove to the CBS. Probably

2535
01:59:34.159 --> 01:59:36.000
saved your life. You'd gone where you wanted to go

2536
01:59:36.479 --> 01:59:39.079
and there was no one around. I don't think you

2537
01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:42.159
can talk to you about it. Who even buried you

2538
01:59:42.279 --> 01:59:43.840
somewhere and you had never been found?

2539
01:59:44.159 --> 01:59:45.960
Who was just in my head? To get to CBS.

2540
01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:47.760
I'm like, I had to get to CBS.

2541
01:59:47.800 --> 01:59:53.239
It was so weird enough to me, him bringing those things,

2542
01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:58.159
hiding in the car, directing you, and he had it

2543
01:59:58.239 --> 01:59:58.680
thought out.

2544
01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:00.239
MM is right?

2545
02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:02.399
Okay, and and I know I keep telling you about

2546
02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:06.000
it that I'm telling you he killed Mike and he

2547
02:00:06.079 --> 02:00:07.920
did it for you because he wanted you. And I

2548
02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:10.640
know that's hard, and I know it hurts, but by God,

2549
02:00:10.680 --> 02:00:16.600
I'm telling you that's what happened. How old was Ansley then? Huh?

2550
02:00:16.800 --> 02:00:17.399
At the beat?

2551
02:00:17.560 --> 02:00:21.840
Not even the years? He didn't care. I saw it, Devah,

2552
02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:25.520
and I saw Mike the Mica form with Ansley at

2553
02:00:25.600 --> 02:00:29.159
the mall, and that's the last time I ever saw him.

2554
02:00:30.960 --> 02:00:34.600
He didn't care about you. He didn't care about Ansley.

2555
02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:39.479
He only cares about himself. He made Mike disappear, and

2556
02:00:39.600 --> 02:00:41.880
he was gonna make you disappear today. And you have

2557
02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:44.000
got to get that in your head. You don't ever

2558
02:00:44.039 --> 02:00:46.439
have to tell me or anybody else about it, but

2559
02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:48.439
at some point it needs to come out, because he

2560
02:00:48.600 --> 02:00:53.479
did it. I am telling you, I don't think you

2561
02:00:53.600 --> 02:00:55.039
had anything to do with it, but he held that

2562
02:00:55.159 --> 02:00:56.960
over you, and I'm sure at some time he told

2563
02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:00.760
you something. And I'm not trying to kick up he says,

2564
02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:03.479
I don't think you did anything, Denise, but I'm telling

2565
02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:05.920
you he killed Mike and he was gonna kill you,

2566
02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:08.199
gonna make you go away. You need to hear that.

2567
02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:10.600
You need to hear it a lot. You were going

2568
02:01:10.680 --> 02:01:14.600
to die today. You got lucky. Okay, next time it

2569
02:01:14.760 --> 02:01:17.359
might be he catches Ansy and you and he kills

2570
02:01:17.399 --> 02:01:21.880
asy and tell you just to hurt you. And if

2571
02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:23.760
you think he's not capable of that, think about the

2572
02:01:23.800 --> 02:01:26.399
man who brought something to bury you with, who brought plastic,

2573
02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:32.640
who brought bleach to cover his tracks. That why doesn't

2574
02:01:32.720 --> 02:01:37.279
make sense. He's nuts. He killed your husband.

2575
02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:41.800
Okay, if he is nuts that crazy, then again what

2576
02:01:42.079 --> 02:01:45.159
I can't have an officer live with me twenty four seven?

2577
02:01:45.760 --> 02:01:48.640
I can't. I'm about safe to get.

2578
02:01:48.520 --> 02:01:50.520
Up to prison for murder. You'll never see him again.

2579
02:01:51.520 --> 02:01:54.920
He killed Mike, and he buried Mike. We're no one

2580
02:01:55.000 --> 02:02:00.119
can rEFInd him. That is the truth. I'm wondering if

2581
02:02:00.119 --> 02:02:02.159
he was thinking to the same place today that he

2582
02:02:02.279 --> 02:02:05.079
bury Mike. Cause he's done it before. You have to

2583
02:02:05.159 --> 02:02:08.000
wrap your mind around it. And he's that is what

2584
02:02:08.119 --> 02:02:10.600
he has done, and he's willing to do it again.

2585
02:02:12.239 --> 02:02:16.960
He is going to kill you. Think about he went

2586
02:02:17.079 --> 02:02:19.159
through he slept in your car and waited for you.

2587
02:02:20.079 --> 02:02:21.439
But I don't think he slept I think any of

2588
02:02:21.479 --> 02:02:25.039
the time. He wasn't watching you. That's just he watched Mike.

2589
02:02:25.119 --> 02:02:27.119
I'll watch him stay in that office every night till

2590
02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:30.199
eleven o'clock at night, all the time. Mike was so predictable.

2591
02:02:30.199 --> 02:02:32.359
I ever every now that I talked to him, and

2592
02:02:32.439 --> 02:02:36.079
then I wouldn't get to talk to him. So predictable. Yeah,

2593
02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:39.760
he waited for him. That day was it? He was

2594
02:02:39.840 --> 02:02:44.359
missing for five or six hours, Bryan, the day of

2595
02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:52.720
well a lot of people know missing. Yeah, and that's

2596
02:02:52.720 --> 02:02:58.119
when he killed Mike. Sitting here today, you don't think

2597
02:02:58.119 --> 02:02:58.560
he could come.

2598
02:02:58.640 --> 02:03:02.439
Mike, the person that I saw today is a person

2599
02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:04.479
I don't know that person.

2600
02:03:04.520 --> 02:03:05.840
You saw it, and he could come, I couldn't he

2601
02:03:06.319 --> 02:03:08.960
that person could and he did, and that's who he was.

2602
02:03:09.039 --> 02:03:12.560
Then he has conned you to new end. It's not

2603
02:03:12.720 --> 02:03:13.279
your fault.

2604
02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:19.840
I mean, that person today could have done anything and anything. Why,

2605
02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:23.439
it's not the person that I married, It's not the

2606
02:03:23.520 --> 02:03:24.119
person that I.

2607
02:03:24.199 --> 02:03:28.399
Knew, It's not the person he knew. Okay, everyone has

2608
02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:34.159
their private side difference. Okay, yes he has two different personalities.

2609
02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:51.680
But yeah, this person today could have done anything and

2610
02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:52.319
still could.

2611
02:03:52.520 --> 02:03:58.039
I guess because this person who saw this could become like.

2612
02:04:00.199 --> 02:04:02.840
Ll and you going to killing me?

2613
02:04:02.920 --> 02:04:04.640
Cause the person you saw me is the same person

2614
02:04:04.680 --> 02:04:06.560
you're married. It's just there's two different people. And he

2615
02:04:06.920 --> 02:04:12.960
when he's nick what he wants, he's all nice. Yeah, yeah,

2616
02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:18.920
I don't know if he what we're talking about, Nace.

2617
02:04:18.960 --> 02:04:21.359
I would never tell that one, or your mom or anybody.

2618
02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:23.359
This is just for me and you, my star.

2619
02:04:23.479 --> 02:04:24.279
I would never tell that.

2620
02:04:26.199 --> 02:04:33.079
But were you sleeping with Brian the day of life

2621
02:04:33.119 --> 02:04:38.119
disappirit No, it didn't happen ntil later No, yeah, well,

2622
02:04:39.359 --> 02:04:41.199
but he wanted you to to, no doubt about it.

2623
02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:46.319
I just can't.

2624
02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:51.000
I can't even imagine. And I've never seen a person

2625
02:04:51.119 --> 02:04:52.000
like this day.

2626
02:04:54.079 --> 02:04:58.600
Saw him in Atlanta. He's aversion, right, yeah, a version

2627
02:04:58.680 --> 02:04:59.520
that's pretty good on.

2628
02:04:59.680 --> 02:05:00.159
You, right.

2629
02:05:03.239 --> 02:05:06.399
And and and this is why I didn't wanna do

2630
02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:08.239
it this way, this is why we I didn't wanna

2631
02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:11.600
set him off and make him mad in coming here.

2632
02:05:12.760 --> 02:05:14.880
He knows he can't trust me because I promised him

2633
02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:15.920
ever whenever I wouldn't do this.

2634
02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:20.239
And that's why, yes, he would kill you.

2635
02:05:20.600 --> 02:05:24.760
Yeah, well to get out of this situation. Yeah, I

2636
02:05:24.880 --> 02:05:27.000
mean there was a gun there. I guess it. Never

2637
02:05:27.840 --> 02:05:30.279
I guess I just believed him that he was gonna

2638
02:05:30.319 --> 02:05:30.840
kill himself.

2639
02:05:30.920 --> 02:05:31.239
I don't know.

2640
02:05:31.640 --> 02:05:35.600
But but the point is when he finds out, he's

2641
02:05:35.640 --> 02:05:36.279
gonna be really mad.

2642
02:05:36.359 --> 02:05:36.880
That's the point.

2643
02:05:40.720 --> 02:05:43.079
And that's why I didn't wanna do it this way.

2644
02:05:50.520 --> 02:05:52.079
What do you think he's gonna say when they find me.

2645
02:05:53.239 --> 02:05:58.079
I don't know if he had the step still, and

2646
02:05:58.199 --> 02:06:02.199
I really not think he can say, well, he put

2647
02:06:02.279 --> 02:06:06.880
the backpack in the truck, then he got in the truck, but.

2648
02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:07.239
I don't know.

2649
02:06:07.359 --> 02:06:09.319
He he mentioned getting rid of the concer, he could

2650
02:06:09.399 --> 02:06:10.119
get rid of everything.

2651
02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:10.520
I don't know.

2652
02:06:12.600 --> 02:06:12.960
I don't know.

2653
02:06:13.159 --> 02:06:16.439
But if the CBS cameras were working, I was right here.

2654
02:06:16.520 --> 02:06:19.279
I mean, they can see what all happened. A couple

2655
02:06:19.319 --> 02:06:20.520
of times that I reached over room and.

2656
02:06:20.640 --> 02:06:23.039
Like touch his knee, like I mean, I was really like,

2657
02:06:23.159 --> 02:06:24.960
I will promise you, I will not I like, I

2658
02:06:25.079 --> 02:06:25.920
really wanted what you did.

2659
02:06:25.960 --> 02:06:29.159
I mean, I wanted him to believe me. After you

2660
02:06:29.239 --> 02:06:30.640
go out and he wants to believe he wants it

2661
02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:32.760
to be like it was. And I'm sure at some

2662
02:06:32.840 --> 02:06:35.000
point he was that part of the conversation when the

2663
02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:36.119
solet's just make it like it was.

2664
02:06:37.720 --> 02:06:39.000
He just he just wanted me to call.

2665
02:06:38.960 --> 02:06:39.880
It a word someone.

2666
02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:45.439
And the deadline's coming. And the last time the deadline came,

2667
02:06:45.439 --> 02:06:45.640
he k.

2668
02:06:45.840 --> 02:06:47.359
Shut up at an office and just kind of like

2669
02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:49.760
followed me around the parking lot, yelling out the window

2670
02:06:49.800 --> 02:06:50.680
that he wanted to talk to.

2671
02:06:50.680 --> 02:06:51.319
And I wouldn't.

2672
02:06:52.239 --> 02:06:55.079
Exactly like I said, I get a third person from

2673
02:06:55.159 --> 02:06:56.960
Deborah two days after it's happened.

2674
02:06:56.680 --> 02:06:58.840
And well she didn't wanna take about across the tu

2675
02:06:58.920 --> 02:07:02.399
stuff cause she said he report it or something cause

2676
02:07:02.399 --> 02:07:03.800
she didn't. I guess she didn't tell you about that

2677
02:07:05.640 --> 02:07:08.760
in the dr in the draws whatever that is.

2678
02:07:11.399 --> 02:07:14.159
Well, that's not my problem. I don't. That's these people

2679
02:07:14.199 --> 02:07:15.880
have to feel it that uh this is my sister

2680
02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:16.960
in law. Don't have to worry about it.

2681
02:07:20.199 --> 02:07:21.399
But do you like it's Friday?

2682
02:07:21.479 --> 02:07:22.479
Right? It is?

2683
02:07:22.880 --> 02:07:26.680
So if they're still if we do go to to

2684
02:07:26.840 --> 02:07:30.079
restraining murder and he does find out about it before.

2685
02:07:30.199 --> 02:07:32.439
But whatever they stop doing at out of pop.

2686
02:07:33.720 --> 02:07:38.640
Get arrested up the yes, Okay, that's that's gonna happen

2687
02:07:38.840 --> 02:07:41.359
as soon as they're not. They're everybody ever, everybody is

2688
02:07:41.359 --> 02:07:42.800
looking forward right now? You think I need to call

2689
02:07:42.800 --> 02:07:43.119
it anyway?

2690
02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:46.199
I know, so when they finally all arrested.

2691
02:07:46.520 --> 02:07:50.840
Yes, yes, and he's either gonna break down and I'm

2692
02:07:50.840 --> 02:07:53.079
an emotional wreck and I did it. I'm sorry, or

2693
02:07:53.800 --> 02:07:55.239
the other side of him is gonna come out and go,

2694
02:07:55.359 --> 02:07:57.920
she's crazy. I never did such a thing. You're insane.

2695
02:07:58.680 --> 02:08:00.720
I would never do such a thing. Over what, I've

2696
02:08:00.720 --> 02:08:02.760
got plenty of money, how to get the new truck

2697
02:08:02.800 --> 02:08:03.119
you's got.

2698
02:08:04.119 --> 02:08:07.439
Yeah, that's always been interesting to me because we've always

2699
02:08:07.479 --> 02:08:10.920
had older cars, always paid for me cash, never had payments.

2700
02:08:11.279 --> 02:08:13.560
I assumed it was part of his mid life crisis

2701
02:08:13.600 --> 02:08:16.239
where he's doing these prostitutes and wants part of his image.

2702
02:08:16.640 --> 02:08:18.800
But where he got the money from. For me, the

2703
02:08:18.960 --> 02:08:20.640
person that I knew to get a mortgage for a

2704
02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:23.520
car or whatever, would never do that, like, so, so

2705
02:08:23.600 --> 02:08:26.439
you had to have to catch I'm thinking that we

2706
02:08:26.560 --> 02:08:28.399
either either he had they catch it. I don't think

2707
02:08:28.439 --> 02:08:30.640
he did it, but that he's now living this life

2708
02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:33.000
where he has payments and stuff like it's j That's

2709
02:08:33.039 --> 02:08:35.399
just not how we lived. And so it's just a

2710
02:08:35.479 --> 02:08:38.880
whole n different Another area that's so different from how

2711
02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:41.439
cause I'm assuming he m has a monthly payment, which we.

2712
02:08:41.399 --> 02:08:42.119
Would never do.

2713
02:08:42.800 --> 02:08:46.520
So that was just another way that he's just living

2714
02:08:46.600 --> 02:08:48.640
this other lifestyle.

2715
02:08:50.439 --> 02:08:53.439
That Stafford ended up finding out about, Thank goodness, cause

2716
02:08:53.439 --> 02:08:55.119
we would have never known. He he says, I been

2717
02:08:55.199 --> 02:08:57.600
d He's been doing it since I foiled in August,

2718
02:08:57.640 --> 02:09:02.760
and he said he started in September, and Stafford didn't

2719
02:09:02.760 --> 02:09:03.279
find out.

2720
02:09:03.199 --> 02:09:06.520
Until a couple maybe two months ago, six weeks ago.

2721
02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:08.880
This rain would look through a stong mm. He said.

2722
02:09:08.880 --> 02:09:11.479
He was actually really odd and it had been for

2723
02:09:11.560 --> 02:09:14.159
a while and for some reason it was there for

2724
02:09:14.279 --> 02:09:14.680
some reason.

2725
02:09:14.760 --> 02:09:16.680
It was all mocked and he went through it. And

2726
02:09:16.760 --> 02:09:21.079
that's not Stafford's personality. Stafford took screenshots of everything.

2727
02:09:21.119 --> 02:09:24.279
I mean, he was so smart, and he told Kathy about.

2728
02:09:24.039 --> 02:09:26.279
It, and he told Kathy about it. He waited two

2729
02:09:26.319 --> 02:09:28.720
weeks and every time Brian was gone, he would go

2730
02:09:28.760 --> 02:09:30.680
through the house and take pictures of stuff he would find.

2731
02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:33.920
And two weeks in and he told Kathy, I know

2732
02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:35.600
something about Brian and I need to tell you it

2733
02:09:35.720 --> 02:09:39.000
tones littles, And we had no idea.

2734
02:09:42.159 --> 02:09:43.720
Didn't see he didn't He didn't even care about his

2735
02:09:43.800 --> 02:09:45.199
little So he did cause he's doing that stuff in

2736
02:09:45.279 --> 02:09:47.680
his own house. Stop these people. He owe his money too,

2737
02:09:48.159 --> 02:09:50.119
they'd call home evasion, but they come in and kicked

2738
02:09:50.159 --> 02:09:53.239
the door in. Ton't shoot anybody or anything. Taking Stafford

2739
02:09:53.279 --> 02:09:55.039
hostage because he knows two thousand dollars.

2740
02:09:55.159 --> 02:09:57.239
It's like he kind of it's like he's lost his

2741
02:09:57.359 --> 02:09:59.439
mine because the horn. They they came to his house.

2742
02:09:59.600 --> 02:10:01.720
Stopford pictures of them in the house.

2743
02:10:02.359 --> 02:10:06.319
The bossas juice oh posuits in his house from his phone,

2744
02:10:06.600 --> 02:10:07.880
from Brian's phone.

2745
02:10:08.520 --> 02:10:10.159
Yeh, Stephan's got at all.

2746
02:10:10.880 --> 02:10:12.920
Where's Kathy house? It all didn't He just said the

2747
02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:13.640
chre anymore.

2748
02:10:13.720 --> 02:10:14.359
He that all.

2749
02:10:14.359 --> 02:10:15.359
I don't think it reads.

2750
02:10:16.079 --> 02:10:18.199
One thing he told me today was he was he

2751
02:10:18.239 --> 02:10:21.760
has nothing to lose. That's when he kept saying, I'm

2752
02:10:21.800 --> 02:10:26.600
nothing to lose. I'm nothing to lose. But then but

2753
02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:29.279
he calmed down when he loved he was crying.

2754
02:10:29.560 --> 02:10:30.239
I'm so sorry.

2755
02:10:30.279 --> 02:10:31.000
I was so sorry.

2756
02:10:31.800 --> 02:10:35.479
Years ago, when Mike Phillips and this guy's a deftly

2757
02:10:35.640 --> 02:10:38.319
wanted to talk to you and Brian, y'all went talk

2758
02:10:38.359 --> 02:10:38.800
to why not.

2759
02:10:39.399 --> 02:10:40.199
I talked to Mike.

2760
02:10:40.359 --> 02:10:42.399
I I talked to Mike. But they wanted to come

2761
02:10:42.479 --> 02:10:44.319
in and do an interview, and they y'all didn't do it.

2762
02:10:45.079 --> 02:10:49.119
We did two interviews.

2763
02:10:49.199 --> 02:10:52.359
We we did interviews with like, not local people. It

2764
02:10:52.479 --> 02:10:56.359
was like federal people. I did one, he did one,

2765
02:10:57.600 --> 02:11:00.279
and I think we did another one, but that it

2766
02:11:00.359 --> 02:11:03.079
was always in an attorney's office, M and I and.

2767
02:11:03.159 --> 02:11:04.560
I don't remember.

2768
02:11:04.800 --> 02:11:06.479
My Phillips came to my house one time and I

2769
02:11:06.600 --> 02:11:09.439
talk him there, but this the official ones were with

2770
02:11:09.600 --> 02:11:11.680
federal people, and it was more than one with a

2771
02:11:11.760 --> 02:11:15.039
lawyer with a at an attorney's office, and they were

2772
02:11:15.119 --> 02:11:15.760
corded at.

2773
02:11:15.680 --> 02:11:18.079
All from whatever your attorney or prime's attorney.

2774
02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:21.479
Well, I mean he's an attorney who is friends with

2775
02:11:21.560 --> 02:11:22.359
the Winchesters.

2776
02:11:22.680 --> 02:11:26.359
Who set that up, who set up the meeting the

2777
02:11:26.479 --> 02:11:27.439
well who said that lawyer?

2778
02:11:28.560 --> 02:11:32.960
Oh, I would guess Marcus, because he's in that same

2779
02:11:33.039 --> 02:11:34.520
little area where they all worked together.

2780
02:11:34.640 --> 02:11:34.960
I don't know.

2781
02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:36.760
I don't really remember, but I do remember the location

2782
02:11:36.920 --> 02:11:41.159
of the of the interviews were at the attorney's office,

2783
02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:43.880
which is the same parking lot as Winchester.

2784
02:11:43.640 --> 02:11:46.720
Financial Group, cause I remember having to go there twice,

2785
02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:48.039
I think, or three times.

2786
02:11:50.680 --> 02:11:53.720
When all they ask you, do you remember did y'all

2787
02:11:53.720 --> 02:11:54.640
talk to 'em? Yeah?

2788
02:11:54.760 --> 02:11:56.920
Yeah, we answer all these questions.

2789
02:11:56.960 --> 02:11:57.640
I think there's a.

2790
02:12:00.159 --> 02:12:00.640
Recording.

2791
02:12:01.000 --> 02:12:02.079
I don't know. I don't remember.

2792
02:12:02.600 --> 02:12:05.000
I don't remember, but I know it was definitely more

2793
02:12:05.079 --> 02:12:09.039
than once, cause I think it was like me separate him,

2794
02:12:09.039 --> 02:12:09.960
separate and thus together.

2795
02:12:10.119 --> 02:12:13.039
Maybe that was it, but and I remember the location

2796
02:12:13.760 --> 02:12:14.760
that that's what I remember.

2797
02:12:17.279 --> 02:12:19.800
And I and if Mike and then had contacted the

2798
02:12:19.880 --> 02:12:22.159
attorney and asked him if we would meet with him,

2799
02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:24.319
he might have said now. But I don't remember saying

2800
02:12:24.359 --> 02:12:26.039
that no to mine, cause I remember him coming to

2801
02:12:26.119 --> 02:12:28.960
the house talk to him. I know, I'm just saying

2802
02:12:29.000 --> 02:12:30.760
that could have happened because.

2803
02:12:30.439 --> 02:12:33.199
I but I but Mike, I mean, would come to

2804
02:12:33.239 --> 02:12:33.640
the house.

2805
02:12:33.880 --> 02:12:34.359
So I don't know.

2806
02:12:35.199 --> 02:12:36.079
I don't remembout that all that.

2807
02:12:36.119 --> 02:12:44.840
I don't remember, but it should be record somewhere. I

2808
02:12:44.880 --> 02:12:45.720
can't believe.

2809
02:12:47.880 --> 02:12:48.479
It was happened.

2810
02:12:52.279 --> 02:12:59.399
An answers so upset, m m I just want us

2811
02:12:59.439 --> 02:13:02.039
to be safe. You and I know what your house,

2812
02:13:02.119 --> 02:13:05.039
you are. But other than that, I mean, we go.

2813
02:13:05.119 --> 02:13:09.399
To work, we go to school, and a piece of paper,

2814
02:13:09.439 --> 02:13:13.359
an injunction or electronic monitoring doesn't stop me from sitting

2815
02:13:13.399 --> 02:13:14.800
in a park a lot wait for you to kill you.

2816
02:13:15.960 --> 02:13:18.520
So what we're really gonna do? You gonna go forward

2817
02:13:18.560 --> 02:13:20.960
with this and make sure that you continue tell him

2818
02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:23.119
the story and don't back off of him. Yeah, and

2819
02:13:23.199 --> 02:13:28.680
don't let him manipulate you into backing the way. You're

2820
02:13:28.720 --> 02:13:31.199
not testifying, cause you're he's gonna take it all the way.

2821
02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:36.159
But I told everything exactly how it happened. I did

2822
02:13:36.239 --> 02:13:37.439
not exaggerate our line.

2823
02:13:38.039 --> 02:13:40.359
I don't think you. I'm glad you called me. I'm

2824
02:13:40.399 --> 02:13:42.439
glad you didn't do what you told him you were

2825
02:13:42.439 --> 02:13:45.880
gonna do, because seemed like a k I don't know

2826
02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:48.720
how you got away a day. I just kept praying.

2827
02:13:49.039 --> 02:13:51.560
I don't know you got a way. But in your mind,

2828
02:13:51.600 --> 02:13:55.319
every time you think about feeling sorry for him, I

2829
02:13:55.439 --> 02:13:58.479
want you to think about what he did, what he

2830
02:13:58.560 --> 02:14:02.840
brought with him, and how Catholic he was. Mkay, you

2831
02:14:03.039 --> 02:14:04.600
just got very very fortunate today.

2832
02:14:06.319 --> 02:14:09.800
I do that, but I just don't wanna go through

2833
02:14:09.840 --> 02:14:10.600
that ever again.

2834
02:14:11.760 --> 02:14:14.960
That's why I gotta keep going forward on this. And

2835
02:14:15.079 --> 02:14:17.119
if you think about things and the way so I

2836
02:14:17.199 --> 02:14:19.760
know it's hard. I I just I can't leave the

2837
02:14:19.880 --> 02:14:21.239
mic thing along because I'm telling.

2838
02:14:21.039 --> 02:14:24.600
You peace, I'll I'll started thinking about people.

2839
02:14:24.640 --> 02:14:30.159
But only did that. He choreographed the recovery of his waiters.

2840
02:14:30.279 --> 02:14:34.399
I was there for t a week and and maybe

2841
02:14:34.439 --> 02:14:37.399
that's what the f the Friday is that I'm controuble

2842
02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:40.680
for that. Well, that's his doing. He did that, mkay.

2843
02:14:41.920 --> 02:14:45.439
But I'm telling you he is so. He is a corper.

2844
02:14:46.720 --> 02:14:52.439
He killed my and I'm pretty sure the reason he's

2845
02:14:52.439 --> 02:14:54.000
gonna kill you to days he was afraid he was

2846
02:14:54.039 --> 02:14:57.399
gonna do or say something or I had speculation. And yeah,

2847
02:14:57.439 --> 02:14:59.439
the financial is a big part of it. I think

2848
02:14:59.439 --> 02:15:01.319
it's a way bigger than just the financial, cause he

2849
02:15:01.399 --> 02:15:03.800
had plenty of resources. He was gonna get money from

2850
02:15:03.800 --> 02:15:06.359
the house, and get money from the the business being sold,

2851
02:15:06.920 --> 02:15:09.359
a rentful the whole in the hearts. It wasn't just

2852
02:15:09.439 --> 02:15:13.199
to take all that from you. It's great, I guess.

2853
02:15:13.239 --> 02:15:14.199
I first just have to.

2854
02:15:16.840 --> 02:15:19.560
Can you just sure that he that he was would

2855
02:15:19.560 --> 02:15:21.159
have hurt would have killed me today? Do you know

2856
02:15:21.239 --> 02:15:25.199
what I'm saying? Like cause I just never but you're right,

2857
02:15:25.359 --> 02:15:26.159
why would.

2858
02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:28.520
Yeah?

2859
02:15:28.800 --> 02:15:31.439
I mean, I see you kill myself, you don't come

2860
02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:32.960
back to well, if you come back to me, it's

2861
02:15:32.960 --> 02:15:34.560
all said. Good. If you don't come back to me,

2862
02:15:34.840 --> 02:15:36.720
I'm gonna take you out in the woods. I'm the hole.

2863
02:15:36.760 --> 02:15:39.119
I'm gonna kill you. And no one's ever gonna find you,

2864
02:15:39.199 --> 02:15:41.319
and I can't prepare to make sure that no one

2865
02:15:41.359 --> 02:15:42.199
ever found out you did it.

2866
02:15:42.640 --> 02:15:46.800
If they if they go through the backpack, can can

2867
02:15:46.880 --> 02:15:48.640
you tell me, like what exactly was an it?

2868
02:15:48.800 --> 02:15:48.840
Like?

2869
02:15:48.920 --> 02:15:50.359
I mean, I know for sure there were a sheet

2870
02:15:50.399 --> 02:15:52.000
in it, but I wanna know exactly.

2871
02:15:52.039 --> 02:15:54.119
I know I know for surely around the fact that

2872
02:15:54.199 --> 02:15:55.800
it wasn't he wasn't there to hurt some today.

2873
02:15:55.880 --> 02:15:57.720
Well then I thought, well, maybe he was just sleeping

2874
02:15:57.800 --> 02:16:00.880
and needed a sheet to sleep with, ye, or you.

2875
02:16:00.880 --> 02:16:03.199
Didn't go to sleep at midnight waiting for you. He

2876
02:16:03.279 --> 02:16:06.439
shoved shortly before him, I'll be while still dark, stuff

2877
02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:09.119
through the backyard, got in your car and sat there

2878
02:16:09.199 --> 02:16:15.000
waiting for you, right fraud all that stuff, mkay, And

2879
02:16:15.079 --> 02:16:16.840
I have no doubt they did it the same way

2880
02:16:16.840 --> 02:16:17.239
with the Mike.

2881
02:16:17.279 --> 02:16:19.520
He cain't prepared bleached.

2882
02:16:20.039 --> 02:16:23.359
Yeah, I just like television or Google or anything else.

2883
02:16:23.520 --> 02:16:26.039
He's done this before, he knew what to do. They

2884
02:16:26.119 --> 02:16:28.079
found nothing when Mike disappeared.

2885
02:16:28.199 --> 02:16:28.479
Nothing.

2886
02:16:29.159 --> 02:16:34.959
That is unbelievable. He's calculating he's cold. I don't. I

2887
02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:39.239
I hate to know the competition between him and mind.

2888
02:16:39.479 --> 02:16:42.280
I'm sure it was at gunpoint, but Mike thinking he's

2889
02:16:42.280 --> 02:16:45.879
a friend. But there's no doubt there was a confrontation.

2890
02:16:46.079 --> 02:16:48.000
Never do you think Mike came to the home for

2891
02:16:48.120 --> 02:16:50.280
lunch that day? How you think Mike came home for

2892
02:16:50.399 --> 02:16:50.959
lunch that day?

2893
02:16:51.879 --> 02:16:52.719
Came home for lunch?

2894
02:16:52.879 --> 02:16:57.399
Yeah? I don't, I know, No, I.

2895
02:16:57.520 --> 02:16:59.719
Don't, I don't know. I remember it was are you

2896
02:16:59.799 --> 02:17:02.280
a three trip the next day? The next day? I

2897
02:17:02.360 --> 02:17:06.200
remember that. I don't. I don't remember l I don't

2898
02:17:06.200 --> 02:17:06.879
remember lunch.

2899
02:17:07.559 --> 02:17:09.000
But I just do you think Mike would have come

2900
02:17:09.040 --> 02:17:12.280
home from ketch 'em to have lunch that day?

2901
02:17:14.159 --> 02:17:17.239
I have no idea. I don't have to look back

2902
02:17:17.280 --> 02:17:18.840
up my nose and stuff. I don't even remember.

2903
02:17:19.000 --> 02:17:21.959
I just remember he had we had d I always

2904
02:17:21.959 --> 02:17:26.159
assumed it happened. But I always assumed that he got

2905
02:17:26.280 --> 02:17:28.280
Mike at the office. I mean, I would always see

2906
02:17:28.319 --> 02:17:32.719
my I weren't Mini back then, either tendnce ey or something,

2907
02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:35.360
and I would always see mike' sitt up there working,

2908
02:17:35.440 --> 02:17:37.239
and every now and then maybe once 'em off that

2909
02:17:37.319 --> 02:17:39.120
stopped in, or ketch him on his way out or whatever,

2910
02:17:39.200 --> 02:17:42.559
see hello. But uh, I always thought that that's where

2911
02:17:42.600 --> 02:17:44.399
it got me. But the timeline is a match up.

2912
02:17:44.440 --> 02:17:45.479
He was missing there in the day.

2913
02:17:46.120 --> 02:17:46.920
Mike wasn't seen.

2914
02:17:46.799 --> 02:17:48.799
Her other day, bron Uh.

2915
02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:54.440
I remember being home with Amsley and making phone claws.

2916
02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:55.680
I remember her crib, she.

2917
02:17:55.680 --> 02:17:56.159
Had a crib.

2918
02:17:56.239 --> 02:17:59.879
It was a Friday, right, But I remember that he.

2919
02:18:00.079 --> 02:18:02.680
Was supposed to be there cause we were gonna go

2920
02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:04.799
and the babysitter was coming here. Do you know what's coming?

2921
02:18:04.840 --> 02:18:05.079
I don't.

2922
02:18:05.079 --> 02:18:05.319
I don't.

2923
02:18:05.360 --> 02:18:06.600
I don't thought it was just Saturday.

2924
02:18:06.639 --> 02:18:10.319
I haven't, but I remember making calls and holding her

2925
02:18:10.399 --> 02:18:13.520
and she was a baby, But I don't I talk to.

2926
02:18:23.639 --> 02:18:26.879
I just always wondered where and what now? But it

2927
02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:33.600
certainly wasn't the late look telling it was not supposed

2928
02:18:33.600 --> 02:18:35.079
to go. Like I'm out said, I didn't find out.

2929
02:18:35.120 --> 02:18:36.000
I'm sorry about that much.

2930
02:18:36.040 --> 02:18:38.079
I don't want to do. I don't know any though

2931
02:18:38.319 --> 02:18:41.840
now he was He was hanging in the morning and

2932
02:18:41.920 --> 02:18:45.000
he was gonna go with a friend he had from work,

2933
02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:49.440
a young kid. I can't think of his name right now.

2934
02:18:50.079 --> 02:18:51.200
He's moved to Jacksonville.

2935
02:18:51.200 --> 02:18:55.000
I don't, but but I need to wreck your mind

2936
02:18:55.040 --> 02:18:57.840
around that because I'm telling you he s southside looking in.

2937
02:18:58.959 --> 02:19:03.799
He was a part of that. And uh, today was

2938
02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:06.360
just an extension of who he is. He's not a

2939
02:19:06.399 --> 02:19:09.200
friend to kill someone. And why he didn't kill you

2940
02:19:09.200 --> 02:19:11.879
today it was maybe it's a public place, or maybe

2941
02:19:11.879 --> 02:19:13.399
you get the right chord with it. Maybe you said

2942
02:19:13.479 --> 02:19:15.920
exactly what he wanted to hear. I I was saying,

2943
02:19:16.559 --> 02:19:18.520
you know, well, I think it's more it was where

2944
02:19:18.559 --> 02:19:20.399
it was, and he doesn't wanna get caught and he

2945
02:19:20.479 --> 02:19:22.200
wants to live. He wants to keep them what he's doing.

2946
02:19:22.440 --> 02:19:24.360
Well, that's why I don't thing he's get killing some long.

2947
02:19:24.600 --> 02:19:26.680
Yeah, there's no ways to kill himself unless it gets

2948
02:19:26.719 --> 02:19:29.920
cornered and realize it's not that it's over for me.

2949
02:19:30.239 --> 02:19:30.879
Yeah, I don't think.

2950
02:19:31.799 --> 02:19:33.559
But he didn't come there to kill himself this morning,

2951
02:19:34.559 --> 02:19:36.959
and it wasn't gonna be kill myself and or kill

2952
02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:39.079
you and kill myself, cause why would he bring the

2953
02:19:39.120 --> 02:19:41.000
up poots to bury you and cover up his tracks.

2954
02:19:41.120 --> 02:19:45.479
He was there to murder you. That's how horrible thing

2955
02:19:45.559 --> 02:19:46.879
to think about. And that's the truth.

2956
02:19:47.000 --> 02:19:50.920
H You need to I know and knowhow and what

2957
02:19:51.000 --> 02:19:57.879
you're saying made his total suits Yeah, makes total sent

2958
02:19:58.280 --> 02:20:00.319
keet throw off your morning, your owner. Well, then that

2959
02:20:00.360 --> 02:20:01.319
makes me even more scared.

2960
02:20:02.159 --> 02:20:08.479
It should be scared. I'm scared. I mean, there is

2961
02:20:08.559 --> 02:20:10.959
no safe place for us. We're gonna stay together. That's

2962
02:20:11.000 --> 02:20:13.959
why there's a copy in Johnny's house now used to

2963
02:20:13.959 --> 02:20:16.200
stay might think that That's the only thing I gotta

2964
02:20:16.200 --> 02:20:17.959
think of, is where would you go when he'll find

2965
02:20:17.959 --> 02:20:21.600
you at work? It would be Johnny's And she's sure

2966
02:20:21.639 --> 02:20:23.440
to meet us, And you have to decide how much

2967
02:20:23.440 --> 02:20:24.719
you're gonna tell her. She really needs to know the

2968
02:20:24.760 --> 02:20:27.079
whole thing, which I hated to do to her. I

2969
02:20:27.200 --> 02:20:29.799
might kill her. I don't do it, but she needs

2970
02:20:29.799 --> 02:20:32.920
to be aware if at some point not not everyone's

2971
02:20:32.920 --> 02:20:35.360
gonna be around her back like we are, right, and

2972
02:20:35.520 --> 02:20:39.600
who's just stopping from taking Johnny indirecting you?

2973
02:20:40.760 --> 02:20:42.959
And as far as the divorce goes, we have a

2974
02:20:43.040 --> 02:20:45.840
deadline up ones day for stuff that he's not gonna do.

2975
02:20:46.920 --> 02:20:47.200
And so.

2976
02:20:48.799 --> 02:20:50.719
With that, I should just keep pursuing that.

2977
02:20:51.040 --> 02:20:52.520
Just keeping why would you not?

2978
02:20:52.799 --> 02:20:57.559
I I don't, I don't know, mad and then more

2979
02:20:57.639 --> 02:21:02.639
stop adding on to it. But yeah, I mean, uh yeah, if.

2980
02:21:02.479 --> 02:21:08.120
He's in jail, could different any bad text you?

2981
02:21:08.920 --> 02:21:09.239
M M.

2982
02:21:09.479 --> 02:21:12.000
I know Dianna's been I hope they do.

2983
02:21:12.120 --> 02:21:13.760
I don't want to get the keys I hope.

2984
02:21:13.520 --> 02:21:17.760
They got in the car and got whatever they needed

2985
02:21:17.799 --> 02:21:22.319
them out of there. Dina said a thought, did he

2986
02:21:22.399 --> 02:21:23.879
do this to put out the court dates so he

2987
02:21:23.959 --> 02:21:25.200
could be declared and confident?

2988
02:21:25.399 --> 02:21:29.159
I don't do answer. You tell me what do you

2989
02:21:29.200 --> 02:21:31.239
think you did? What do you do you think you

2990
02:21:31.399 --> 02:21:31.840
do it to be?

2991
02:21:32.559 --> 02:21:34.760
I think I mean as these court dates have loomed,

2992
02:21:34.840 --> 02:21:37.719
that's when he's appeared. Normally, he just I guess, goes

2993
02:21:37.760 --> 02:21:42.479
about doing his prostitute things. But he appears in my

2994
02:21:42.600 --> 02:21:44.600
life when a court date loombs, like last time he

2995
02:21:44.639 --> 02:21:46.079
shot up at work and this.

2996
02:21:46.239 --> 02:21:47.559
Time way more extreme.

2997
02:21:47.680 --> 02:21:48.040
He did this.

2998
02:21:48.680 --> 02:21:50.920
I tie it to these court dates because it get

2999
02:21:51.000 --> 02:21:52.879
as the court dates come, it gets closer.

3000
02:21:52.680 --> 02:21:53.959
Closer, tivity officially over.

3001
02:21:56.799 --> 02:21:57.719
That's what I tied it to.

3002
02:21:58.680 --> 02:22:00.600
And I figured he might show up at where just

3003
02:22:00.680 --> 02:22:02.479
cause I knew a courtinate was coming. But I would

3004
02:22:02.680 --> 02:22:05.879
never never fetch you're this.

3005
02:22:07.719 --> 02:22:10.280
And I want to go ahead and tell the Leafers

3006
02:22:10.360 --> 02:22:12.639
and the Martins and the Rays because they know everything

3007
02:22:12.799 --> 02:22:15.040
they know about the prostitute. They know everything up to now,

3008
02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:18.920
so I wanna update them and give a description of

3009
02:22:19.000 --> 02:22:19.280
the truck.

3010
02:22:19.360 --> 02:22:20.120
And just don't like that.

3011
02:22:22.399 --> 02:22:24.520
The can you now wrap it around your head. What

3012
02:22:24.639 --> 02:22:25.239
he was gonna do.

3013
02:22:26.799 --> 02:22:27.000
To me?

3014
02:22:33.520 --> 02:22:37.920
I guess, so so why, yes, you gotta understand I

3015
02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:39.399
wouldn't like to, you know, I wouldn't you.

3016
02:22:39.600 --> 02:22:43.520
Go about wrong to Then he didn't do it because

3017
02:22:44.840 --> 02:22:47.719
there's no kill eatings. But he didn't do it because.

3018
02:22:49.399 --> 02:22:50.680
I told him that.

3019
02:22:52.200 --> 02:22:52.799
I didn't tell him.

3020
02:22:52.799 --> 02:22:53.559
We can move on from this.

3021
02:22:53.680 --> 02:22:55.719
But basically I kind of just agree with whatever.

3022
02:23:04.079 --> 02:23:08.200
Yeah, let me go out next. See you they want

3023
02:23:08.200 --> 02:23:09.680
to do about being jump show and all that stuff.

3024
02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:11.440
See if they Yeah, I don't wanna wait too long

3025
02:23:11.520 --> 02:23:12.959
and not be able to do it. I mean, it's

3026
02:23:12.959 --> 02:23:13.600
three fifteen.

3027
02:23:13.879 --> 02:23:15.719
There's a timeframe and get it done no matter what.

3028
02:23:16.920 --> 02:23:18.559
And then do you think they they were gonna go

3029
02:23:18.639 --> 02:23:20.600
through the car and I guess if you grow print

3030
02:23:20.639 --> 02:23:21.760
and stuff, I don't know know they were.

3031
02:23:22.040 --> 02:23:25.520
They probably will swap for DNA if you touched the seatbelt,

3032
02:23:25.520 --> 02:23:27.520
because this thing will be I wasn't there. Oh he

3033
02:23:28.159 --> 02:23:30.440
he hasn't been in that car now, yeah, uh for

3034
02:23:30.760 --> 02:23:34.639
almost four years, right, so the DNA doesn't last that long.

3035
02:23:35.120 --> 02:23:36.479
So yeah, they'll probably be able to swap.

3036
02:23:36.920 --> 02:23:40.000
And that where the seatbelt goes in where the red

3037
02:23:40.079 --> 02:23:41.760
thing is. I mean he held on to that for

3038
02:23:41.879 --> 02:23:44.120
a long time, so that shit. But I did use

3039
02:23:44.159 --> 02:23:48.879
it time buckle, you know, so I had Okay, that's right,

3040
02:23:48.920 --> 02:23:51.000
I told him everything. If you will not locked the

3041
02:23:51.040 --> 02:23:53.760
doors last night, I don't know, but when I started

3042
02:23:53.799 --> 02:23:56.399
thinking about it, you know, he did have a set

3043
02:23:56.440 --> 02:23:59.200
of keys to that car, so I always locked the car.

3044
02:23:59.600 --> 02:24:02.079
So I'm probably hunt like ninety something that's tried. I did,

3045
02:24:02.319 --> 02:24:04.719
but each I never thought to re keep the car.

3046
02:24:06.719 --> 02:24:09.879
So there's a possibility what he want to do and

3047
02:24:09.879 --> 02:24:10.680
what things done.

3048
02:24:10.479 --> 02:24:14.920
About and you're back Hurst, Oh yeah, it would be better.

3049
02:24:14.959 --> 02:24:17.959
It's a normal thing. Has he has he uh takes

3050
02:24:18.040 --> 02:24:18.760
any more that?

3051
02:24:19.680 --> 02:24:20.639
Yeah, just the one.

3052
02:24:22.040 --> 02:24:26.680
That is justin alright, let me go see what they're doing.

3053
02:24:31.040 --> 02:24:32.280
Thy right, how you're doing?

3054
02:24:32.520 --> 02:24:32.719
Yeah?

3055
02:24:32.760 --> 02:24:33.079
How are you?

3056
02:24:37.159 --> 02:24:40.200
We have never met none of his like the baby

3057
02:24:40.280 --> 02:24:42.680
and you knowing do you know that name at all? Mm?

3058
02:24:42.799 --> 02:24:46.280
Okay, I'm with the Florida Department was doing foresaw Mkay.

3059
02:24:50.559 --> 02:24:54.600
I've literally known you and I've known your family for many, many,

3060
02:24:54.719 --> 02:24:55.479
many many years.

3061
02:24:55.680 --> 02:24:56.000
Okay.

3062
02:24:57.120 --> 02:25:01.000
The reason I say that is in I've been looking

3063
02:25:01.120 --> 02:25:09.799
into Mike's disappearance, Okay, literally dissected as much as I

3064
02:25:09.920 --> 02:25:12.920
could about you, you know, where it was in your

3065
02:25:13.000 --> 02:25:21.639
family Ryan, Mike and you know his family and the

3066
02:25:21.760 --> 02:25:26.959
family when your you and Mike were together, Okay, worked

3067
02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:29.760
with a lot of people, you know, trying to figure

3068
02:25:29.799 --> 02:25:35.319
out the whole scenario of his disappearance and had to

3069
02:25:35.440 --> 02:25:39.399
go back and literally reinvestigate a lot of things that

3070
02:25:41.360 --> 02:25:42.879
was investigated before.

3071
02:25:43.440 --> 02:25:43.799
Okay.

3072
02:25:45.639 --> 02:25:49.280
And again I had to go back to Yell's marriage

3073
02:25:49.479 --> 02:25:52.000
and what were you doing during those times? Or you

3074
02:25:52.079 --> 02:25:55.840
knew in job wise and Mike you know, and Mike's employer,

3075
02:25:56.479 --> 02:25:58.879
the whole works, Okay, what y'all own?

3076
02:25:59.000 --> 02:25:59.840
What you didn't known?

3077
02:26:01.040 --> 02:26:03.520
And this has been an ongoing process for a long time.

3078
02:26:05.319 --> 02:26:06.799
And I and you need to understand that.

3079
02:26:07.520 --> 02:26:07.719
Kay.

3080
02:26:08.559 --> 02:26:10.719
You know, I used to know the you know, the

3081
02:26:10.959 --> 02:26:14.600
uh your your your gate code by heart and doing

3082
02:26:14.600 --> 02:26:16.719
it in your neighborhood. I know your house very well.

3083
02:26:17.120 --> 02:26:17.239
You know.

3084
02:26:17.280 --> 02:26:19.319
I know when you took the carpet on. The whole works,

3085
02:26:19.719 --> 02:26:22.680
you know, and then a whole lot I don't know. Okay,

3086
02:26:23.639 --> 02:26:24.639
please understand that.

3087
02:26:25.559 --> 02:26:27.239
Talking about that hardwood floors.

3088
02:26:27.520 --> 02:26:29.760
Er you name it, I know a good it, Okay, Okay,

3089
02:26:31.840 --> 02:26:33.239
I I wanna talk to you about a couple of

3090
02:26:33.280 --> 02:26:34.920
things and maybe you can fill in a couple of

3091
02:26:35.000 --> 02:26:37.520
gaps for me? Can can you do that for me?

3092
02:26:38.079 --> 02:26:38.200
Then?

3093
02:26:40.159 --> 02:26:43.399
Okay? Obviously I I had raised it. I'm here. I

3094
02:26:43.520 --> 02:26:47.760
I knew about what happened today, okay, And like the

3095
02:26:47.840 --> 02:26:51.319
other officer said, you're gonna have to it's gonna have

3096
02:26:51.399 --> 02:26:53.959
to sink in to today was gonna be your last day.

3097
02:26:54.879 --> 02:26:59.719
Please let that sink in. I mean, he didn't have

3098
02:26:59.840 --> 02:27:03.799
sh eats to sleep on, you know, tonight or the

3099
02:27:03.879 --> 02:27:07.000
night before the night after, he had plastic, and he

3100
02:27:07.040 --> 02:27:09.120
had some other object. And what was that other object

3101
02:27:09.200 --> 02:27:12.079
he had? Could you tell? Can you describe it.

3102
02:27:14.920 --> 02:27:15.200
It was?

3103
02:27:17.360 --> 02:27:20.360
I mean it was like maybe why it wasn't a hammer,

3104
02:27:20.440 --> 02:27:22.639
but it was kind of that size and maybe wider.

3105
02:27:23.040 --> 02:27:25.559
I don't I have no shovel.

3106
02:27:26.319 --> 02:27:27.920
I know, it wasn't a show. I mean it was

3107
02:27:27.959 --> 02:27:28.959
like a lot.

3108
02:27:29.079 --> 02:27:32.159
I mean, it definitely wasn't a shovel, but it was

3109
02:27:32.200 --> 02:27:34.600
about the side the length of like a hammer that

3110
02:27:34.600 --> 02:27:36.639
it would but it seemed to be fatter the way

3111
02:27:36.680 --> 02:27:37.239
that he grabbed it.

3112
02:27:37.319 --> 02:27:38.360
But I haven't no, Well, you.

3113
02:27:38.440 --> 02:27:42.319
Were going towards CBS. It's what I can understand. He

3114
02:27:42.440 --> 02:27:43.399
wanted to tray around, go.

3115
02:27:43.479 --> 02:27:43.959
The other way.

3116
02:27:44.920 --> 02:27:46.920
He kept saying, go to the roundabout, and I think

3117
02:27:47.000 --> 02:27:50.040
he was wanting me to go back, but I wasn't

3118
02:27:50.079 --> 02:27:50.639
really listening.

3119
02:27:50.680 --> 02:27:52.639
I was maybe, but I wasn't really listening. I was

3120
02:27:52.680 --> 02:27:54.479
just trying to get to CBS.

3121
02:27:54.639 --> 02:27:55.879
What do you think my experience had?

3122
02:27:57.239 --> 02:27:58.760
Oh, I I have no idea.

3123
02:27:59.159 --> 02:28:00.879
Maybe he speculations on that on.

3124
02:28:00.959 --> 02:28:03.479
Where he's buried, veriod. I mean, I believe.

3125
02:28:04.399 --> 02:28:07.159
You don't really believe he he died it on the lake?

3126
02:28:08.399 --> 02:28:09.639
I do? Why?

3127
02:28:11.479 --> 02:28:13.959
I just I just always have that's what I believe,

3128
02:28:14.879 --> 02:28:19.239
and I have from when he was saying round about

3129
02:28:19.520 --> 02:28:19.719
I have.

3130
02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:23.559
I don't know. I talked with the last two people,

3131
02:28:23.559 --> 02:28:25.120
and I can't remember if he wanted me to turn.

3132
02:28:25.000 --> 02:28:25.479
Left or right?

3133
02:28:25.600 --> 02:28:27.959
No, no, no, no, that's something I'm talking about.

3134
02:28:28.120 --> 02:28:28.239
Uh.

3135
02:28:28.840 --> 02:28:34.920
Why do you think Mike perished in the lake? I

3136
02:28:35.079 --> 02:28:37.760
just cause he didn't. He didn't die late Cemole, Okay,

3137
02:28:38.920 --> 02:28:39.200
I don't.

3138
02:28:39.520 --> 02:28:41.719
That's what I've always believed. That's what I believe in.

3139
02:28:42.200 --> 02:28:46.000
Why I've never been proven anything different?

3140
02:28:46.719 --> 02:28:48.799
I don't, Well, is there been any proof he really

3141
02:28:48.879 --> 02:28:51.399
if he would have perished in that lake, he would

3142
02:28:51.399 --> 02:28:51.959
have been found.

3143
02:28:53.319 --> 02:28:53.600
Mkay.

3144
02:28:54.399 --> 02:28:57.760
Here's never been a person that has fallen over or

3145
02:28:57.840 --> 02:29:01.799
whatever that they've been effects are from coming. That's literally

3146
02:29:01.879 --> 02:29:05.040
it's it's it's some possibility that he'd done in that lake.

3147
02:29:05.600 --> 02:29:08.559
I guess to that that's just what I believe.

3148
02:29:09.559 --> 02:29:13.799
Really, Yeah, well, I mean you you knew all the

3149
02:29:13.840 --> 02:29:16.840
information about you know, what was recovered.

3150
02:29:16.399 --> 02:29:19.680
Out there and all that, right, my dad would keep

3151
02:29:19.680 --> 02:29:20.319
me updated.

3152
02:29:20.719 --> 02:29:24.239
Yeah, yeah, you had this big monster search and none

3153
02:29:24.280 --> 02:29:27.959
of that in the layer. It just appears, I mean that,

3154
02:29:28.399 --> 02:29:32.719
you know that kind of lead investciators go in different

3155
02:29:32.799 --> 02:29:37.760
directions than what they insally thought. Okay, uh, I mean

3156
02:29:37.760 --> 02:29:40.200
I was even curious. I mean I I recovered the

3157
02:29:40.280 --> 02:29:42.159
cargo I used to have it during that time. I

3158
02:29:42.200 --> 02:29:44.639
got from a junk yard in Alabama, brought it back

3159
02:29:44.680 --> 02:29:46.399
a care and toward a park. The little boat that

3160
02:29:46.520 --> 02:29:48.239
Mike had, a.

3161
02:29:48.239 --> 02:29:49.159
Little de new boat.

3162
02:29:49.319 --> 02:29:51.600
I found the old red bought a sella, brought it

3163
02:29:51.719 --> 02:29:53.319
back just I just wanted to be at a goud

3164
02:29:53.440 --> 02:29:55.959
like that. You know, there's a whole lot of stuff

3165
02:29:56.000 --> 02:29:57.840
you don't have a whole knew what we looked at,

3166
02:29:59.120 --> 02:30:03.159
and we've we've certainly come to the conclusion that Mike

3167
02:30:03.520 --> 02:30:10.000
did not again perish or die on Lake seminal. Okay,

3168
02:30:10.879 --> 02:30:13.920
please understand that, you know, we've kind of tried to

3169
02:30:14.000 --> 02:30:16.799
what's you know, what's been going on in y'all's lives

3170
02:30:16.920 --> 02:30:20.079
again before Mike disappeared all the way till now. Okay,

3171
02:30:20.159 --> 02:30:23.680
we knew about the divorced stuff, you know, we knew

3172
02:30:23.680 --> 02:30:26.319
about people living in different places at the home works

3173
02:30:26.600 --> 02:30:29.200
talked to Kathy. She proba didn't take that well, she

3174
02:30:29.319 --> 02:30:37.079
may have yeah, yeah, okay, alright, And and you seem

3175
02:30:37.120 --> 02:30:38.879
to say you have a clue that were happening to Mike?

3176
02:30:40.159 --> 02:30:40.920
Were you and were you?

3177
02:30:41.079 --> 02:30:44.559
And I guess you Mike, Kathy and Brian y'all are

3178
02:30:44.600 --> 02:30:47.680
pretty close before Mike disapeared, right, Yeah, yeah, how close

3179
02:30:47.760 --> 02:30:48.159
were y'all?

3180
02:30:50.000 --> 02:30:52.319
I mean I would say we talked pretty much every day.

3181
02:30:52.360 --> 02:30:54.959
We were very close. Yeah, I'm still very close with Jathy.

3182
02:30:55.159 --> 02:30:57.959
Yeah, I did that. I again, we researched, you know,

3183
02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:01.520
trips y'all east to make Tormlando and some other stuff.

3184
02:31:01.719 --> 02:31:05.840
Apparently you are really close, mkay, you don't want'll talk about.

3185
02:31:07.760 --> 02:31:09.200
I don't we?

3186
02:31:09.479 --> 02:31:11.360
Yeah, me and Kathy still, she's texting me right now.

3187
02:31:11.520 --> 02:31:14.639
So we're still very close, mkay. If I say, we're

3188
02:31:14.639 --> 02:31:16.680
totally aware of all the bid the videos. You probably

3189
02:31:16.719 --> 02:31:17.680
know what I'm talking about.

3190
02:31:18.159 --> 02:31:20.920
If you say what the videos, I would have to

3191
02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:21.360
stay them.

3192
02:31:22.000 --> 02:31:25.040
Well, I mean that's not gonna happen. But you you're clueless.

3193
02:31:25.040 --> 02:31:29.360
When I say videos, I don't. Yeah, you you Kathy

3194
02:31:29.399 --> 02:31:32.760
and Bryan, I would have to stay him.

3195
02:31:33.719 --> 02:31:36.920
Yeah, you're you have dog what I'm talking about? You

3196
02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:38.280
say you didn't forgot to see it.

3197
02:31:38.479 --> 02:31:41.639
Now I'm just I'm just starting to feel very uncomfortable, Okay, But.

3198
02:31:41.920 --> 02:31:44.120
Well, I I'm I've got uncomfortable for a long time

3199
02:31:44.280 --> 02:31:47.760
because we needed some things on this case, right, and

3200
02:31:49.239 --> 02:31:51.440
we were hoping one day that either Brian or you

3201
02:31:52.639 --> 02:31:55.040
maybe you could fill in some of the gaps there

3202
02:31:55.200 --> 02:31:56.639
pulling the piece of a post, right.

3203
02:31:56.920 --> 02:31:58.399
But I guess right now I will.

3204
02:31:58.479 --> 02:32:00.920
I need to focus on this and what happened this morning,

3205
02:32:01.079 --> 02:32:03.399
and I wanna get this restraining order done by five o'clock.

3206
02:32:03.479 --> 02:32:05.200
And I want, I mean, I want me and my

3207
02:32:05.280 --> 02:32:06.079
daughter to be safe.

3208
02:32:06.239 --> 02:32:09.239
And that's well, there's there's no doubt that Brian's gonna

3209
02:32:09.239 --> 02:32:13.000
be located and put in jail, so I would imagine

3210
02:32:13.000 --> 02:32:15.639
he's not going to immediately be banned out under the

3211
02:32:15.719 --> 02:32:19.319
circumstances and the crimes that he has committed. Okay, I

3212
02:32:19.360 --> 02:32:19.600
don't know.

3213
02:32:19.760 --> 02:32:20.079
I don't know.

3214
02:32:20.639 --> 02:32:22.159
I just want to get this restrained ord and so

3215
02:32:22.239 --> 02:32:24.479
that I can have a little peace, yeah, for tonight

3216
02:32:24.719 --> 02:32:25.360
with my daughter.

3217
02:32:25.559 --> 02:32:27.479
That's that's one of them. Is Well if he is,

3218
02:32:27.600 --> 02:32:30.159
if he is arrested, you know the next few hours,

3219
02:32:30.360 --> 02:32:33.040
which I'm sure is gonna happen. You know, Leanna County

3220
02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:35.760
is very good about finding people and kind of Oh

3221
02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:42.079
that's gonna happen. When Brian is arrested, which will happen.

3222
02:32:43.239 --> 02:32:46.479
He is going to probably provide another side of whatever

3223
02:32:46.639 --> 02:32:49.559
happened today. You are this way?

3224
02:32:49.680 --> 02:32:52.079
Yeah, Yeah, I have no idea what he's going to say.

3225
02:32:52.239 --> 02:32:55.000
Well, that's what people usually did. They they give a uh,

3226
02:32:55.079 --> 02:33:06.200
they're side of something. Let's scare that.

3227
02:33:07.920 --> 02:33:08.479
Yeah, I don't know.

3228
02:33:11.200 --> 02:33:11.239
What.

3229
02:33:11.399 --> 02:33:12.799
I don't know what he's gonna say. Have no idea.

3230
02:33:13.159 --> 02:33:16.799
Yeah, what if he starts talking about the past, way

3231
02:33:16.840 --> 02:33:19.399
in the past, and he.

3232
02:33:19.520 --> 02:33:20.840
Might I I don't know, I have no idea what

3233
02:33:20.879 --> 02:33:21.479
he's gonna say.

3234
02:33:21.760 --> 02:33:24.760
Yeah, and what I do you no, what if he

3235
02:33:24.799 --> 02:33:26.879
starts talking about what if he starts talking about those

3236
02:33:27.319 --> 02:33:28.799
disappearance of of Mike.

3237
02:33:29.159 --> 02:33:31.079
I hope he admits this morning. I hope he admits

3238
02:33:31.120 --> 02:33:33.600
what he did if he talk if they ask him

3239
02:33:33.600 --> 02:33:36.000
about Mike, I have no idea, and then we'll see.

3240
02:33:36.479 --> 02:33:42.159
Yeah, well, has Katy ever talked about Mike's disappearance or

3241
02:33:42.239 --> 02:33:48.159
not Mike's but Bride's disappearance. Did they Mike disappeared? I don't.

3242
02:33:48.559 --> 02:33:53.520
I don't remember, and I remember that I have to,

3243
02:33:53.600 --> 02:33:55.399
I can. I can text her right now. I don't know.

3244
02:33:56.600 --> 02:34:00.280
Yeah, Okay, I'll hear from you, mkay. You I mean

3245
02:34:00.280 --> 02:34:04.040
you knew, I mean, Ryan just disappear. I don't I

3246
02:34:05.159 --> 02:34:06.360
Kansy's ever talked about that.

3247
02:34:06.680 --> 02:34:06.840
Shou.

3248
02:34:07.159 --> 02:34:09.360
I have to talk with her. But again, I r

3249
02:34:09.399 --> 02:34:11.280
I really, I want to focus on this and if you,

3250
02:34:12.040 --> 02:34:15.639
I mean, well this is what you wanna talk about.

3251
02:34:15.520 --> 02:34:18.040
Well this is that's the same today. You know, it's

3252
02:34:18.159 --> 02:34:19.760
kind of a done deal. You know, we know what

3253
02:34:19.879 --> 02:34:21.479
have but it's gonna be a verifar of the video

3254
02:34:21.520 --> 02:34:24.959
and all that, whether whether Bride admits to what he

3255
02:34:25.040 --> 02:34:27.559
did to you today. He I mean, he did it right,

3256
02:34:27.680 --> 02:34:30.840
I mean, and once they arrest him, I'm sure they

3257
02:34:30.879 --> 02:34:32.600
don't find some of the things that you talked about.

3258
02:34:32.879 --> 02:34:36.479
I hope that's that's kind of a bum deal, okay,

3259
02:34:36.959 --> 02:34:39.440
but obviously thanks, and things have been building for a

3260
02:34:39.600 --> 02:34:40.559
a long long time.

3261
02:34:40.600 --> 02:34:42.440
We've been separated for a long time ago. But for

3262
02:34:42.600 --> 02:34:43.959
me again, I want to follows.

3263
02:34:43.959 --> 02:34:45.799
You're standing on her before three thirty, so I mean

3264
02:34:45.840 --> 02:34:48.719
before five, So I don't know this three thirty right now.

3265
02:34:48.760 --> 02:34:50.399
I just wanna make sure that I have time to

3266
02:34:50.440 --> 02:34:51.920
do that. Now.

3267
02:34:52.000 --> 02:34:56.200
Well, I know what tongue is, I know the other

3268
02:34:56.280 --> 02:34:59.000
also talk to you a lot of different things I

3269
02:34:59.079 --> 02:35:06.399
care about. Bust me can go hunger everything, Okay. I

3270
02:35:06.520 --> 02:35:08.600
wish I could just get some feeling some of the

3271
02:35:08.680 --> 02:35:11.239
pieces of the puzzle. I'd venture to get it from you,

3272
02:35:12.639 --> 02:35:14.840
then from Brian, cause when he's a wrestlent I've talked

3273
02:35:14.879 --> 02:35:15.280
time too.

3274
02:35:15.719 --> 02:35:16.200
That's fine.

3275
02:35:16.200 --> 02:35:20.920
I don't wanna see what he says, conkay, he may

3276
02:35:21.000 --> 02:35:22.559
see something you don't want to hear. I don't know.

3277
02:35:23.040 --> 02:35:25.440
Well, I have no idea, you have no no clue,

3278
02:35:26.159 --> 02:35:26.760
not a clue.

3279
02:35:27.159 --> 02:35:28.719
I don't even always gon say about this morning.

3280
02:35:29.479 --> 02:35:32.840
Well, uh, you know the f this morning's a done deal. Okay,

3281
02:35:33.559 --> 02:35:35.559
you know we we know what happens. You told us,

3282
02:35:35.639 --> 02:35:38.159
And again it's gonna be a pretty good video and

3283
02:35:38.520 --> 02:35:41.120
I'm sure that they're gonna find us in the things

3284
02:35:41.159 --> 02:35:42.000
that you talked about.

3285
02:35:42.680 --> 02:35:45.840
So that's that's kind of that's solid, so to speak.

3286
02:35:46.559 --> 02:35:49.239
Okay, I think it was my I phone we heard,

3287
02:35:51.200 --> 02:35:51.879
and that's funny.

3288
02:35:51.920 --> 02:35:54.959
Met your coin and just your wife.

3289
02:35:58.440 --> 02:36:08.559
I okay, sorry, they're right, But I guess what I'm

3290
02:36:08.559 --> 02:36:11.719
saying is about the my situation that you wanna talk about.

3291
02:36:11.799 --> 02:36:12.079
I don't.

3292
02:36:12.079 --> 02:36:14.000
I don't wanna talk about this right now.

3293
02:36:14.680 --> 02:36:16.319
Mm I would you talk about later?

3294
02:36:16.680 --> 02:36:18.280
I I don't wanna talk about this right now. I

3295
02:36:18.360 --> 02:36:19.719
wanna get this settled first.

3296
02:36:19.959 --> 02:36:20.559
This is subtle.

3297
02:36:20.920 --> 02:36:22.799
It's not subtled to me though I have not gone down.

3298
02:36:22.840 --> 02:36:24.559
I have not father restrained the owner. And that's what

3299
02:36:24.879 --> 02:36:28.760
is pressing on me so bad. So I understand that

3300
02:36:28.879 --> 02:36:30.760
you wanna talk about this, but this is what I

3301
02:36:30.840 --> 02:36:32.840
wanna do. This is what I has to be done.

3302
02:36:33.479 --> 02:36:36.079
Yeah, you got you today, you got some time. Worms

3303
02:36:36.120 --> 02:36:40.200
was done alright? Well you know why, Uh it's so

3304
02:36:40.319 --> 02:36:42.040
important you talk to you. I like, I mean, this

3305
02:36:42.239 --> 02:36:45.280
is I mean, this was your h this was your husband.

3306
02:36:45.440 --> 02:36:50.399
He's simply vanished. Hopefully he's so an interest in that.

3307
02:36:51.120 --> 02:36:53.559
Well, again, this is my priority right now, and I'm

3308
02:36:53.600 --> 02:36:55.840
just I'm not comfortable talking about this right now.

3309
02:36:56.319 --> 02:37:00.120
This I've had an unbelievable day and let me, this

3310
02:37:00.280 --> 02:37:03.680
is is just all too much right now. I just

3311
02:37:03.799 --> 02:37:05.000
I really want to focus on it.

3312
02:37:05.280 --> 02:37:07.360
It has it sunkn that you literally saved your.

3313
02:37:07.319 --> 02:37:08.040
Own life today.

3314
02:37:12.319 --> 02:37:14.280
But all I know is I was praying.

3315
02:37:17.319 --> 02:37:20.200
He did the right thing coming here, you know that.

3316
02:37:20.680 --> 02:37:22.840
I mean, we'll see.

3317
02:37:23.559 --> 02:37:25.639
I don't things really seeing him. I consider what he

3318
02:37:25.760 --> 02:37:29.639
had in the vacu your vehicle, you know that's a clue.

3319
02:37:30.120 --> 02:37:32.120
That's just it was the best I could And well

3320
02:37:32.200 --> 02:37:33.000
you did, you did.

3321
02:37:32.879 --> 02:37:33.680
You save your life.

3322
02:37:35.559 --> 02:37:37.079
I just want that now.

3323
02:37:37.159 --> 02:37:40.719
I just want my daughter to continue to say and

3324
02:37:40.799 --> 02:37:42.559
that That's why I'm so worried about this. That's why

3325
02:37:42.559 --> 02:37:45.040
I can't even focus on that, because I just all

3326
02:37:45.079 --> 02:37:47.239
I'm focused on is us and getting through this night.

3327
02:37:47.319 --> 02:37:49.399
When he's gonna find out that I told after I

3328
02:37:49.479 --> 02:37:51.479
promised him open over and over that I wouldn't tell

3329
02:37:51.520 --> 02:37:53.440
me one and when he finds.

3330
02:37:53.200 --> 02:37:56.680
Out, well, when somebody does this to you, and and

3331
02:37:56.799 --> 02:37:59.719
as a gun involved, they can't really expect you just

3332
02:37:59.799 --> 02:38:01.239
to know that what.

3333
02:38:01.600 --> 02:38:03.760
But I had set up where I went to Tony

3334
02:38:03.760 --> 02:38:04.799
Wine and I would meet him.

3335
02:38:04.719 --> 02:38:05.280
Later in the day.

3336
02:38:05.440 --> 02:38:07.719
Well, yeah, I were saying every thing because literally at

3337
02:38:07.760 --> 02:38:09.680
that point you had to say something again, had to

3338
02:38:09.760 --> 02:38:11.280
keep saying this, but it's true to save your.

3339
02:38:11.200 --> 02:38:15.200
Life, right, and it worked and he, you know, I guess,

3340
02:38:15.520 --> 02:38:17.559
agreed to that and then left, and then I was

3341
02:38:17.600 --> 02:38:20.399
supposed to meet him and his dad about now today

3342
02:38:20.760 --> 02:38:21.479
to talk about it.

3343
02:38:21.639 --> 02:38:25.799
He does advise you be to do something very very horrible. Okay, yeah,

3344
02:38:27.680 --> 02:38:32.680
I mean there's no angel whatever he did that, okay, yeah,

3345
02:38:33.239 --> 02:38:35.559
and he's stuck in your vehicle and there he was.

3346
02:38:36.920 --> 02:38:38.799
He didn' knock on your door saying let's talk about it.

3347
02:38:39.559 --> 02:38:43.239
All right, look what he did, I mean, and I

3348
02:38:43.319 --> 02:38:46.120
guess that that's just I still was kidding.

3349
02:38:47.920 --> 02:38:51.319
Well, you're gonna have to believe that you're alive right now,

3350
02:38:52.639 --> 02:38:53.000
all right?

3351
02:38:53.719 --> 02:38:54.200
I'm kind.

3352
02:38:55.920 --> 02:39:00.760
Yeah, absolutely, and he's gonna be I should have some

3353
02:39:01.000 --> 02:39:02.200
very very serious charms.

3354
02:39:06.319 --> 02:39:08.559
Do you know the procedure as far as like when

3355
02:39:08.600 --> 02:39:12.360
I file this, if he's already arrested, I mean, then

3356
02:39:12.399 --> 02:39:14.920
he's just arrested, but then when he'll get out like tomorrow,

3357
02:39:15.040 --> 02:39:16.879
right or I mean, I don't know how it worried.

3358
02:39:16.639 --> 02:39:22.440
About bomb you're gonna put on so it depends on no. Yeah,

3359
02:39:23.760 --> 02:39:25.399
but what he's out, he can just do whatever.

3360
02:39:25.319 --> 02:39:29.120
Right, I mean, well, let's hope he doesn't do whatever.

3361
02:39:29.200 --> 02:39:31.879
I hope he's finally sunk in. He's screwed up, and

3362
02:39:32.040 --> 02:39:34.879
you're gonna go through the court stuff and hopefully that'll

3363
02:39:34.959 --> 02:39:37.280
sink into that he's kind.

3364
02:39:37.280 --> 02:39:39.159
I'm just worried about that long period of time where

3365
02:39:39.200 --> 02:39:41.000
I know, like if he gets arrested, it won't be

3366
02:39:41.040 --> 02:39:43.399
a court date for a long time, and it's that time.

3367
02:39:43.319 --> 02:39:50.879
I'm worried about. That's where he's out knows that I told, you.

3368
02:39:50.920 --> 02:39:52.840
Can't be that stupid or to think that you're not

3369
02:39:53.000 --> 02:39:53.520
gonna tell.

3370
02:39:54.760 --> 02:39:56.719
I'm just I'm just worried about that time in between.

3371
02:39:56.799 --> 02:39:59.040
And I'm worried about me and my daughter and where

3372
02:39:59.040 --> 02:40:00.159
we're gonna live and how avery we.

3373
02:40:00.239 --> 02:40:01.879
Say, I mean, I don't even have a dog.

3374
02:40:02.680 --> 02:40:02.879
Yeah.

3375
02:40:04.239 --> 02:40:07.159
Well, what what we have seen, We've we've seen a

3376
02:40:07.239 --> 02:40:10.040
sight of like my life and Brian that we knew

3377
02:40:10.200 --> 02:40:16.159
was there and it's surfaced again. Okay, cause again we've

3378
02:40:16.239 --> 02:40:20.719
kind of tracked his history and we also know, you know,

3379
02:40:20.920 --> 02:40:23.319
Mike vanishes so.

3380
02:40:26.319 --> 02:40:29.440
Well, I myself have never seen anything like what I

3381
02:40:29.479 --> 02:40:30.200
saw this morning.

3382
02:40:30.600 --> 02:40:34.280
Never well what about it? Like l what about the

3383
02:40:34.760 --> 02:40:34.920
of this?

3384
02:40:35.159 --> 02:40:36.840
It wasn't a person, but it was that was on

3385
02:40:36.959 --> 02:40:39.360
a whole. This took it to a whole other that

3386
02:40:39.520 --> 02:40:42.239
was nothing compared to this. But when he left up,

3387
02:40:42.239 --> 02:40:42.879
when he got out of the.

3388
02:40:42.879 --> 02:40:47.280
Truck, he was crying, I'm so certain to like that calm,

3389
02:40:47.600 --> 02:40:50.840
not that person anymore. That's how I left him, and

3390
02:40:50.920 --> 02:40:52.879
that's how I wanted to stay. And then me coming

3391
02:40:53.000 --> 02:40:54.639
here and finding this in him finding out.

3392
02:40:54.680 --> 02:40:56.479
That's the way he wanted to stay. You really think

3393
02:40:56.559 --> 02:40:58.600
he would never explode like this again.

3394
02:41:00.000 --> 02:41:01.360
I would have never thought he would have done this.

3395
02:41:01.559 --> 02:41:04.520
So I don't have it, No, I have no. I mean,

3396
02:41:04.559 --> 02:41:07.799
obviously he's capable of what he did today, cause he

3397
02:41:07.840 --> 02:41:08.040
did it.

3398
02:41:08.719 --> 02:41:11.600
So do you think he's responsible for license EPARs?

3399
02:41:12.200 --> 02:41:13.479
I do not, and I never have.

3400
02:41:13.680 --> 02:41:16.239
I would have never married him if I thought that,

3401
02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:21.360
I would've never wanted so bad to have children with him.

3402
02:41:21.399 --> 02:41:24.360
I would've I mean, in my mind and in my heart.

3403
02:41:24.840 --> 02:41:24.879
No.

3404
02:41:26.000 --> 02:41:27.639
From David is my brother in law. He was just

3405
02:41:27.680 --> 02:41:31.200
sitting here talking to me about trying to get me

3406
02:41:31.280 --> 02:41:34.040
to understand that you know that my life was in

3407
02:41:34.159 --> 02:41:38.000
danger today and then having me to look back on

3408
02:41:38.120 --> 02:41:41.600
that whole situation now from a different point of view, and.

3409
02:41:43.280 --> 02:41:45.719
I'm definitely gonna do that. But do I believe right

3410
02:41:45.799 --> 02:41:48.799
here in this moment that he had anything to do

3411
02:41:48.920 --> 02:41:50.159
with that? Absolutely not?

3412
02:41:50.479 --> 02:41:50.920
What did?

3413
02:41:51.239 --> 02:41:53.239
Yeah? Does that mean that I'm not gonna.

3414
02:41:54.000 --> 02:41:57.440
Process this and then go back to Of course I am,

3415
02:41:57.639 --> 02:42:00.159
but I but I've got I've got processes first, and

3416
02:42:00.200 --> 02:42:01.079
I know you understand that.

3417
02:42:01.319 --> 02:42:07.440
Sure, well, process this place when you when you find

3418
02:42:07.520 --> 02:42:11.639
time to come back, you need to process a whole

3419
02:42:11.719 --> 02:42:17.120
lot about whatever happened, because in studying this whole situation,

3420
02:42:20.280 --> 02:42:22.159
we knew that one day it would be a blow up.

3421
02:42:23.159 --> 02:42:27.719
We predicted that. Tell it there. Well, I don't think

3422
02:42:27.760 --> 02:42:31.079
it's finished yet as far as people talking about different.

3423
02:42:30.799 --> 02:42:33.319
Things, No, but I just mean between me and him

3424
02:42:33.399 --> 02:42:34.639
this morning was a blow up.

3425
02:42:35.479 --> 02:42:41.879
Yeah it was. And the y at the end, I'm

3426
02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:44.959
selling a rock American. But I hope, hope it is

3427
02:42:45.040 --> 02:42:47.959
sinking in how about it could have been?

3428
02:42:51.680 --> 02:42:55.799
I think I'll take some time that I'm realizing.

3429
02:42:58.319 --> 02:43:00.879
The jabs of what could have happened to you know,

3430
02:43:01.000 --> 02:43:02.399
when you have care of that stuff and I have

3431
02:43:02.479 --> 02:43:08.120
a gun in sleep with that or whatever, I already

3432
02:43:08.120 --> 02:43:10.399
say something that you told me either the sheets were used,

3433
02:43:10.799 --> 02:43:14.159
we used, we'd used for sleep or whatever. Nah, I

3434
02:43:14.200 --> 02:43:16.360
don't think so you don't have plastic in quarter or

3435
02:43:16.399 --> 02:43:16.680
there or.

3436
02:43:16.680 --> 02:43:19.319
Two was for And again I hope that, I hope

3437
02:43:19.360 --> 02:43:20.239
that that pack still there.

3438
02:43:20.280 --> 02:43:23.680
I hope they can the whoever or the police can

3439
02:43:24.079 --> 02:43:26.079
pull it out and see exactly. You know what I'm saying,

3440
02:43:26.120 --> 02:43:29.479
because I it was a it was a turn, you know,

3441
02:43:29.799 --> 02:43:31.360
a couple of glimps of this, and that was it.

3442
02:43:31.520 --> 02:43:34.399
But I I'm pretty sure I'm right, but I did

3443
02:43:34.479 --> 02:43:36.399
I would like to know myself, did I see this right?

3444
02:43:36.520 --> 02:43:36.719
Did I?

3445
02:43:36.719 --> 02:43:38.479
You know what I mean? Like what was in there?

3446
02:43:39.000 --> 02:43:40.319
I wanna I would like to know.

3447
02:43:40.559 --> 02:43:42.520
Uh, we'll find him, just to confirm they when they

3448
02:43:42.760 --> 02:43:46.360
find him, I'm sure that they'll eventually get to whatever

3449
02:43:46.479 --> 02:43:46.840
there was.

3450
02:43:47.239 --> 02:43:47.879
H I hope.

3451
02:43:47.959 --> 02:43:49.559
So let's just nest down the road.

3452
02:43:49.959 --> 02:43:50.319
I hope.

3453
02:43:50.360 --> 02:43:57.000
So I just want everything to think in about I'm

3454
02:43:57.000 --> 02:43:59.040
not to say enough concerned about as I am, but

3455
02:43:59.159 --> 02:44:02.879
you're alive, right, I'm tall. I'm talking about the other right,

3456
02:44:03.319 --> 02:44:05.280
cause a whole lot of people in some closure in

3457
02:44:05.399 --> 02:44:08.639
that right we all think we've got a pretty idea

3458
02:44:08.639 --> 02:44:15.360
of what happened, what the whole scenario was. Mkay, you

3459
02:44:15.520 --> 02:44:17.159
need to done that, mkay.

3460
02:44:17.520 --> 02:44:18.799
So and I will.

3461
02:44:18.840 --> 02:44:25.520
I'll go, I'll get through this and then rethink everything again.

3462
02:44:25.600 --> 02:44:29.559
I've never seen anybody this way that he was this morning,

3463
02:44:29.719 --> 02:44:31.479
and I've never definitely never seen.

3464
02:44:31.360 --> 02:44:36.000
Him this morning, just all that. He was just going crazy.

3465
02:44:36.120 --> 02:44:36.719
He was crazy.

3466
02:44:36.840 --> 02:44:39.120
Well, i'm'na go out with find somebody to share theirselves

3467
02:44:39.159 --> 02:44:40.879
to trade care of the others.

3468
02:44:41.159 --> 02:44:41.959
That strain your orders.

3469
02:44:42.000 --> 02:44:45.239
But okay, thank you, But I want, I wanna, I want,

3470
02:44:45.399 --> 02:44:48.360
I Wan'm gonna leave on this note. I was hoping

3471
02:44:48.680 --> 02:44:52.000
you could fill in some of the pieces of that puzzle.

3472
02:44:52.399 --> 02:44:56.479
You haven't we arrest Brian he might.

3473
02:44:57.840 --> 02:44:59.360
Mkay, yeah, of the morning.

3474
02:45:00.520 --> 02:45:03.440
Uh just think about what you said. All right, at

3475
02:45:03.520 --> 02:45:05.280
least till I'll sleepy to find something to tick.

3476
02:45:05.360 --> 02:45:05.719
Thank you.

3477
02:45:06.680 --> 02:49:51.920
They were they able to get in the car, do

3478
02:49:51.959 --> 02:49:52.879
you know in the car?

3479
02:49:53.040 --> 02:49:58.479
Yeah? That process? Okay, you talking a less earlier.

3480
02:49:58.920 --> 02:50:02.479
Yeah, I'm anxious about I really want father streaming or whatever.

3481
02:50:02.639 --> 02:50:06.920
Mkay, cause it's Friday and there's well they it's at

3482
02:50:06.920 --> 02:50:09.360
the court house now and there's a ton of problem.

3483
02:50:10.159 --> 02:50:10.920
He's in custody.

3484
02:50:11.200 --> 02:50:12.479
Oh yeah, we having.

3485
02:50:14.440 --> 02:50:15.479
It's a getting in junction.

3486
02:50:16.639 --> 02:50:18.959
You'll get to the court house to or to the

3487
02:50:19.200 --> 02:50:22.879
jail tomorrow morning at eight o'clock and you fill out

3488
02:50:22.920 --> 02:50:23.520
the paperwork.

3489
02:50:23.879 --> 02:50:26.799
Melissa's that she'll meet you, and oh, well, my my.

3490
02:50:26.879 --> 02:50:28.399
Brother in law can go. She doesn't really have to.

3491
02:50:28.559 --> 02:50:30.000
My brother in law's uplace, so he can go with

3492
02:50:30.120 --> 02:50:32.040
the Okay, eight am at that jail?

3493
02:50:32.799 --> 02:50:35.120
Correct? Where is that right behind us?

3494
02:50:35.399 --> 02:50:35.559
Oh?

3495
02:50:35.719 --> 02:50:37.280
On a if you go down further on a half

3496
02:50:37.399 --> 02:50:40.280
yard huh, you'll see the entry main interest to the jail.

3497
02:50:41.040 --> 02:50:43.000
Okay, So I file the injunction there.

3498
02:50:43.200 --> 02:50:43.440
Correct.

3499
02:50:43.639 --> 02:50:45.600
You can fill out the paperwork and everything, cause they

3500
02:50:45.639 --> 02:50:47.760
do first appearance over there and then that's at the

3501
02:50:47.840 --> 02:50:50.040
time that the judge or you will will meet you.

3502
02:50:50.200 --> 02:50:53.879
Okay, okay, okay, alright, ohky, this is Melissa's information and

3503
02:50:53.959 --> 02:50:56.840
that the information she left for you is my Do.

3504
02:50:56.879 --> 02:50:58.200
I need to tell her that she doesn't need to

3505
02:50:58.239 --> 02:50:58.479
come in.

3506
02:50:58.479 --> 02:50:59.719
Eight or oh? Okay?

3507
02:51:00.600 --> 02:51:03.639
If you decide you wanna all her for her cell

3508
02:51:03.680 --> 02:51:07.600
phone numbers on the back and if you're needing.

3509
02:51:10.520 --> 02:51:14.399
M as far as the injunction goes, that you explain

3510
02:51:14.479 --> 02:51:15.319
to you what if you do?

3511
02:51:16.680 --> 02:51:18.959
Kay, You'll basically write a little story about what took

3512
02:51:19.000 --> 02:51:20.440
place and why you need an injunction.

3513
02:51:22.399 --> 02:51:25.920
He'll be served unless he depending on what the bond is,

3514
02:51:26.360 --> 02:51:29.479
he he'll probably be served out of the jail. They

3515
02:51:29.479 --> 02:51:33.879
don't know abouy it before he gets out, probably with

3516
02:51:34.399 --> 02:51:36.680
but you'll fill out an affidavit of why you need

3517
02:51:36.760 --> 02:51:40.920
it and the little story about what happened today or

3518
02:51:40.959 --> 02:51:42.639
anything else that you wanna put in there for the

3519
02:51:42.719 --> 02:51:45.799
past or in the past four years. The judge review that,

3520
02:51:46.280 --> 02:51:48.600
they'll be your hearing within fifteen days. First you'll get

3521
02:51:48.639 --> 02:51:49.479
a temporary injunction.

3522
02:51:50.200 --> 02:51:53.120
They'll be hearing within fifteen days, which would be decided

3523
02:51:53.159 --> 02:51:56.760
to say his side of the story, and the judge

3524
02:51:56.760 --> 02:51:59.079
will decide at that time whether to continue.

3525
02:51:58.719 --> 02:52:02.200
The injunction or not. Okay, okay, contribute all that stuff. Okay,

3526
02:52:04.559 --> 02:52:06.200
do you have any questions for us at this time?

3527
02:52:06.440 --> 02:52:08.399
Can you tell me? Did was he at work? Did

3528
02:52:08.479 --> 02:52:09.159
you find him at work?

3529
02:52:09.200 --> 02:52:09.840
Or can't tell him?

3530
02:52:09.840 --> 02:52:11.879
They leete they find him in the parking.

3531
02:52:11.680 --> 02:52:15.559
Lot at work. Okay, okay, So they arrested him and

3532
02:52:15.840 --> 02:52:16.719
charged him with what.

3533
02:52:17.120 --> 02:52:18.879
Well, right now, I think I's doe for a few

3534
02:52:18.959 --> 02:52:21.920
things as far as discus, as far as charges come out,

3535
02:52:23.280 --> 02:52:23.799
I can call.

3536
02:52:23.639 --> 02:52:25.520
You unless you if you do.

3537
02:52:26.159 --> 02:52:29.120
But uh, well, we're gonna con complete the investigation and

3538
02:52:29.200 --> 02:52:30.879
see what all the charges we have cause we do

3539
02:52:31.040 --> 02:52:35.680
have to there's no we don't believe there's more. Want

3540
02:52:35.719 --> 02:52:39.600
story to everything and with uh but based on what

3541
02:52:39.760 --> 02:52:42.520
you described, we've got I saw from the bar and

3542
02:52:43.120 --> 02:52:43.920
bost In prisons.

3543
02:52:45.040 --> 02:52:46.040
Okay, it's.

3544
02:52:47.360 --> 02:52:50.639
You eat this stuff about because he is actively using

3545
02:52:50.799 --> 02:52:53.680
prostitutes and up and we have text messages and stuff

3546
02:52:53.680 --> 02:52:56.200
from his own phone where it's like proof. Do you

3547
02:52:56.280 --> 02:52:58.079
need any of that or that's not important?

3548
02:52:58.159 --> 02:52:59.879
No, you know at this point the as far as

3549
02:53:00.399 --> 02:53:03.079
all the other stuff, uh, where you'd be a good

3550
02:53:03.159 --> 02:53:06.520
thing to go through with your whatever you're going through

3551
02:53:06.520 --> 02:53:09.040
with the earrings, the court and everything. Mkay.

3552
02:53:09.559 --> 02:53:11.920
That's more so for that type of stuff and to

3553
02:53:12.000 --> 02:53:14.360
get in with him being so if he got arrested

3554
02:53:14.559 --> 02:53:15.120
and went to.

3555
02:53:15.319 --> 02:53:16.360
Jail, to the jail.

3556
02:53:16.760 --> 02:53:17.760
No, he's not in jail yet.

3557
02:53:17.879 --> 02:53:20.040
Oh, well did they arrest him or what what did

3558
02:53:20.040 --> 02:53:20.840
they do in the parking lot?

3559
02:53:21.000 --> 02:53:21.079
Right?

3560
02:53:21.719 --> 02:53:24.600
H h they bought him back here he's he's in

3561
02:53:24.680 --> 02:53:28.319
this building and then what will happen. We're gonna interview

3562
02:53:28.399 --> 02:53:31.479
him based on everything that took place, kay, and then

3563
02:53:31.520 --> 02:53:33.559
we'll go forward there with the investigation.

3564
02:53:35.120 --> 02:53:36.360
Like you said, we can call you and let you

3565
02:53:36.440 --> 02:53:40.120
do the outcome cause we're also uh still looking for

3566
02:53:40.479 --> 02:53:41.479
the stuff he described that.

3567
02:53:41.520 --> 02:53:44.840
Came out to you, mkay when he So he's here

3568
02:53:44.879 --> 02:53:46.879
in the building and y'all talk to him, But then

3569
02:53:47.399 --> 02:53:48.200
will he just leave?

3570
02:53:48.520 --> 02:53:50.479
Now he'll be going next door more than much.

3571
02:53:50.319 --> 02:53:51.920
He'll be going to the jail, and then I'll be

3572
02:53:52.000 --> 02:53:54.719
there at a to turn in big Basically it's paperwork

3573
02:53:54.799 --> 02:53:56.639
right that I'll be doing laurow at eight.

3574
02:53:56.840 --> 02:53:58.879
Yeah, you'll fill it out and the judge we're viewing

3575
02:53:58.959 --> 02:53:59.799
everything at tomorrow.

3576
02:54:00.079 --> 02:54:02.959
Okay, Well, I are you gonna shop with him? Are

3577
02:54:03.000 --> 02:54:04.680
you gonna be one of the ones to review him? Oh?

3578
02:54:04.760 --> 02:54:07.639
I just I mean I hope he I hope he

3579
02:54:07.760 --> 02:54:08.440
tells the truth.

3580
02:54:08.520 --> 02:54:10.920
But I mean, if he doesn't, I've told everything that

3581
02:54:11.719 --> 02:54:14.440
not actually everything that happened exactly how it happened.

3582
02:54:15.479 --> 02:54:16.840
I mean, the only proof I guess.

3583
02:54:16.639 --> 02:54:19.159
Would be that CDs camera, you know, other than he

3584
02:54:19.239 --> 02:54:21.559
said she said, And then hopefully they could find out

3585
02:54:21.600 --> 02:54:22.840
that's pack with all that stuff, isn't it?

3586
02:54:23.120 --> 02:54:24.040
That's what her before?

3587
02:54:24.120 --> 02:54:26.520
But I didn't every single thing I said was true

3588
02:54:26.760 --> 02:54:30.799
and it was not excaggerated, and we'll just see what

3589
02:54:30.840 --> 02:54:31.200
he says.

3590
02:54:31.680 --> 02:54:37.200
Mkay. Why I don't let you remember that we're graduated together.

3591
02:54:37.719 --> 02:54:38.959
What's your name, Brian Bishop?

3592
02:54:39.319 --> 02:54:41.799
Oh my god? You said so there's stuff that they're

3593
02:54:41.840 --> 02:54:42.360
talking to you.

3594
02:54:42.440 --> 02:54:43.479
About about Mike.

3595
02:54:45.200 --> 02:54:46.559
Really you think so?

3596
02:54:47.000 --> 02:54:48.959
I mean, I mean after talking with do you know

3597
02:54:49.120 --> 02:54:51.440
David McCraney, he wasn't here. He's my bird grandma.

3598
02:54:52.399 --> 02:54:52.600
Yeah.

3599
02:54:52.600 --> 02:54:55.239
He gave me a lot to think about it. It's

3600
02:54:55.239 --> 02:54:58.760
just overwhelming, though, I tell you, it's just this this morning,

3601
02:54:58.959 --> 02:55:02.040
this person I've never seen him before, and to have

3602
02:55:02.280 --> 02:55:05.799
to come to terms with what could have happened this morning,

3603
02:55:06.319 --> 02:55:10.040
I just like I I can't even process that verbally yet,

3604
02:55:10.239 --> 02:55:13.559
not much less inside. And then to go back and

3605
02:55:13.680 --> 02:55:15.840
think about all those times and all that you know

3606
02:55:16.000 --> 02:55:20.360
that stuff. Yes, I'm going to. I have to. I

3607
02:55:20.440 --> 02:55:22.319
mean I have to because I saw someone that I've

3608
02:55:22.360 --> 02:55:24.559
never seen before and.

3609
02:55:25.000 --> 02:55:27.920
It's been not displayed to you for all this time,

3610
02:55:28.200 --> 02:55:30.440
and there's no telling them what will happen next time

3611
02:55:30.520 --> 02:55:33.639
because they lived as a uh coore order.

3612
02:55:36.760 --> 02:55:38.360
For uh for.

3613
02:55:39.959 --> 02:55:43.799
Once it gets boy'll do no contact order still say

3614
02:55:43.879 --> 02:55:48.360
get the injunction. Okay, cause that covers both similar but

3615
02:55:48.479 --> 02:55:51.319
the one, if it continues, it can build me up

3616
02:55:51.319 --> 02:55:51.879
to a fellow.

3617
02:55:53.559 --> 02:55:57.280
But uh, the like I said, we can call you

3618
02:55:57.360 --> 02:55:59.159
un lets you know what's going on. But the chorias

3619
02:55:59.200 --> 02:56:04.079
are right. Everything else the information pack has different stuff

3620
02:56:04.440 --> 02:56:07.600
if you have if uh, but as far as the

3621
02:56:07.680 --> 02:56:12.159
other goes you, whatever happened to Mike, you don't want

3622
02:56:12.280 --> 02:56:13.440
that saying thing to happen.

3623
02:56:14.079 --> 02:56:17.319
Oh right, I mean I felt so impression it this morning.

3624
02:56:17.440 --> 02:56:19.079
Oh we've known each other, we had seen each other,

3625
02:56:19.520 --> 02:56:22.159
We known each other and wan talk stuff you describe

3626
02:56:22.159 --> 02:56:24.040
he was getting out of the back did.

3627
02:56:23.959 --> 02:56:27.559
Not sound good at all at all.

3628
02:56:27.959 --> 02:56:30.639
No, that and I never it never dawned on me

3629
02:56:30.799 --> 02:56:34.360
until David started saying why would he? You know, why

3630
02:56:34.399 --> 02:56:37.079
would and it just it all everything David said to

3631
02:56:37.120 --> 02:56:37.799
make perfect sense.

3632
02:56:38.520 --> 02:56:39.559
And that's very scary.

3633
02:56:39.959 --> 02:56:40.120
Yes.

3634
02:56:41.000 --> 02:56:42.559
Can I ask you this though? Can you said, he's here,

3635
02:56:42.639 --> 02:56:45.840
he's gonna be interviewing stuff, so for sure he'll go

3636
02:56:45.920 --> 02:56:47.600
over to the jail and spend the night there or

3637
02:56:47.719 --> 02:56:50.200
not for sure? Like you just don't know. I mean

3638
02:56:50.239 --> 02:56:51.920
I just kind of wonder where it's gonna because give me.

3639
02:56:51.959 --> 02:56:57.959
That is that's my masking everything on our investigation morning morning,

3640
02:56:58.719 --> 02:57:01.399
cause we did have we you have a deputy at CBS,

3641
02:57:01.520 --> 02:57:05.159
so okay, one of the detectives went there episode. We're

3642
02:57:05.239 --> 02:57:06.719
we're taking multiple steps to do.

3643
02:57:06.799 --> 02:57:09.000
The charge, okay, And I mean I'm gonna I know

3644
02:57:09.159 --> 02:57:11.399
David hurt his family. I'll let us stay with him,

3645
02:57:12.040 --> 02:57:14.159
you know, this weekend. I can't live with him forever,

3646
02:57:14.760 --> 02:57:16.319
but I just I have to get to a point.

3647
02:57:16.200 --> 02:57:18.760
Where means, if my daughter we feel safe and I

3648
02:57:18.879 --> 02:57:19.760
do not feel safe.

3649
02:57:20.200 --> 02:57:23.959
Well, if if at all you knew something about Mike

3650
02:57:24.040 --> 02:57:28.040
with him and that information was able to come out

3651
02:57:28.760 --> 02:57:30.600
and he was charged with's a he.

3652
02:57:30.600 --> 02:57:37.719
Wouldn't for getting up, then me and David already discussed

3653
02:57:37.799 --> 02:57:41.559
that he has threatened suicide so many different times. I

3654
02:57:41.639 --> 02:57:44.280
don't think people that threaten suicide fault at thri In

3655
02:57:44.360 --> 02:57:46.799
other words, I don't think he's gonna commit suicide.

3656
02:57:46.879 --> 02:57:49.760
A lot of times it is a threat. Sometimes, Uh,

3657
02:57:50.280 --> 02:57:52.000
people that are threaten it for years WI end up

3658
02:57:52.000 --> 02:57:52.680
doing it out for it.

3659
02:57:53.040 --> 02:57:57.600
So I I mean, I didn't even know coming here

3660
02:57:57.879 --> 02:58:00.399
was the right thing to do, that thing.

3661
02:58:00.360 --> 02:58:01.079
To do, I didn't.

3662
02:58:01.159 --> 02:58:04.239
I mean, I just feel like it if you didn't

3663
02:58:04.239 --> 02:58:07.680
report this to us today and the same exact thing

3664
02:58:07.799 --> 02:58:08.719
happened tonight or.

3665
02:58:08.719 --> 02:58:13.920
Tomorrow, right, we wouldn't you had any idea of what

3666
02:58:14.120 --> 02:58:15.639
took place right this morning?

3667
02:58:15.879 --> 02:58:17.520
Right right?

3668
02:58:17.719 --> 02:58:20.639
And yes, absolutely, no two ways about it.

3669
02:58:21.440 --> 02:58:22.440
And if.

3670
02:58:24.200 --> 02:58:26.840
You hadn't, there's no tone what I mean he does

3671
02:58:26.879 --> 02:58:29.559
in your vehicle? How scared. I'll begin with it.

3672
02:58:29.680 --> 02:58:32.440
But now like that visual, I mean it, just like

3673
02:58:33.479 --> 02:58:35.719
you can trying to think about Mike right now, I

3674
02:58:35.840 --> 02:58:38.040
just can't because all I can see in the rear

3675
02:58:38.159 --> 02:58:41.719
view mirror is that image of I mean, it was terrifying.

3676
02:58:41.959 --> 02:58:44.239
I'm sure I cannot believe I didn't write the car.

3677
02:58:44.639 --> 02:58:46.479
I mean I can't. I won't make a sticky road,

3678
02:58:46.559 --> 02:58:48.399
you know, the little in the ditches and how much

3679
02:58:48.440 --> 02:58:53.959
so I can't believe I didn't write the car. I've

3680
02:58:54.040 --> 02:58:55.520
never been so scared in mind.

3681
02:58:57.040 --> 02:58:59.879
And I can tell you from doing this pretty much

3682
02:59:00.120 --> 02:59:02.319
regratuated and don't get any better.

3683
02:59:03.520 --> 02:59:04.200
So they come in here.

3684
02:59:04.239 --> 02:59:08.879
What's the right units? Absolutely whenever the wad to troups

3685
02:59:08.920 --> 02:59:11.520
some things with with the mester about lots of different things.

3686
02:59:12.239 --> 02:59:14.520
She don't wanna go into a relationship or get married

3687
02:59:14.600 --> 02:59:17.719
because somebody's already beat them. That's like throwing a frog

3688
02:59:17.840 --> 02:59:20.639
in hot water. It's gonna jump out, right, So you

3689
02:59:21.239 --> 02:59:24.600
get in liqui warm water and he gets turned up.

3690
02:59:25.479 --> 02:59:26.639
They don't never go about and that.

3691
02:59:26.719 --> 02:59:29.040
On ends up burning you because you don't realize how

3692
02:59:29.079 --> 02:59:32.680
it's happening so quick, whatever the time frame it takes

3693
02:59:32.719 --> 02:59:33.639
to do mm.

3694
02:59:36.600 --> 02:59:38.840
So, the best I can do for my safety and

3695
02:59:38.959 --> 02:59:40.879
my daughters is to file this thing in the morning

3696
02:59:40.920 --> 02:59:43.760
at AID, correct. I mean, I'll hear it from you guys,

3697
02:59:43.840 --> 02:59:46.159
I guess, and then stay with my brother one his

3698
02:59:46.280 --> 02:59:52.200
wife it's Dethorah Deborah Maryland. Stay with them and then

3699
02:59:52.319 --> 02:59:53.680
what I mean, that's what I'm saying, Like I go

3700
02:59:53.799 --> 02:59:55.600
to work my day as they start school.

3701
02:59:56.319 --> 02:59:59.840
It's just it's very scary and we don't know. I'm guns,

3702
03:00:00.000 --> 03:00:02.479
we don't do even have a dog. Like you're not

3703
03:00:02.559 --> 03:00:03.520
a security system.

3704
03:00:06.840 --> 03:00:08.239
One thing you consider.

3705
03:00:09.879 --> 03:00:13.360
Now they you're talking earlier about having to change the

3706
03:00:13.399 --> 03:00:14.840
locks and lunch and everything else.

3707
03:00:18.040 --> 03:00:19.399
Security system would be Dotte.

3708
03:00:20.079 --> 03:00:23.680
No, I'll definitely do.

3709
03:00:23.760 --> 03:00:31.280
That so much if you yeah, as far as anything else,

3710
03:00:31.319 --> 03:00:34.399
if you hear something suspicious outside, see something suspicious, oh,

3711
03:00:34.559 --> 03:00:34.840
I'm in.

3712
03:00:34.840 --> 03:00:36.120
Atall neighbors too, cause.

3713
03:00:35.920 --> 03:00:41.159
That we'll respond that's while we responded to prowers it

3714
03:00:41.239 --> 03:00:41.760
was a raccoon.

3715
03:00:41.959 --> 03:00:44.200
Or if we'll respond, can y'all it's.

3716
03:00:44.040 --> 03:00:46.319
A gated community, Can y'all get in? Like can you

3717
03:00:46.639 --> 03:00:49.959
get in without knowing the gate code? Or it's called

3718
03:00:50.040 --> 03:00:52.799
Mediatt Plantation off the make Asiki Road, you can get in?

3719
03:00:52.920 --> 03:00:53.200
I could.

3720
03:00:53.239 --> 03:00:54.719
I just want to make sure I could.

3721
03:00:55.040 --> 03:00:56.360
Well, I mean, I don't know how, don't know what's

3722
03:00:56.399 --> 03:00:56.799
gona happening.

3723
03:00:56.799 --> 03:00:59.079
Because if you guys talk to him at w what

3724
03:00:59.239 --> 03:01:01.639
at whatever point he gets to walk out of the jail,

3725
03:01:02.120 --> 03:01:05.000
that's when I mean I need to know because that's

3726
03:01:05.000 --> 03:01:06.399
when I need to be on high I hurt.

3727
03:01:06.399 --> 03:01:08.000
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's I need to

3728
03:01:08.040 --> 03:01:09.399
know that. And I don't know that I'm gonna know

3729
03:01:09.520 --> 03:01:09.799
where that.

3730
03:01:09.879 --> 03:01:12.639
Package you give you. I think there's a part of

3731
03:01:12.760 --> 03:01:13.440
vine in there.

3732
03:01:14.120 --> 03:01:16.719
That's what explains body ah, a part of a uh.

3733
03:01:16.719 --> 03:01:19.879
Yeah, which is uh yeah, and it tell you kind

3734
03:01:19.959 --> 03:01:21.639
of do stuff to be notified.

3735
03:01:21.719 --> 03:01:24.840
Oh okay, okay, oh good alright, Well then I'll do

3736
03:01:24.920 --> 03:01:27.479
that for sure because at that point, whene where that

3737
03:01:27.680 --> 03:01:28.959
time comes, that's.

3738
03:01:28.799 --> 03:01:30.280
When it's gonna be the matters at me. You know

3739
03:01:30.280 --> 03:01:33.319
what I'm saying, cause I promised him I wouldn't do this.

3740
03:01:33.399 --> 03:01:34.760
That's one of the reasons I got out.

3741
03:01:36.520 --> 03:01:39.159
Now, Like I said, if he had something to do

3742
03:01:39.239 --> 03:01:39.799
with the other.

3743
03:01:40.680 --> 03:01:45.719
Which obviously there's obviously that man.

3744
03:01:46.200 --> 03:01:46.600
Think so.

3745
03:01:48.600 --> 03:01:50.440
So I can't remember his name? Oh yeah, yeah, I know,

3746
03:01:50.559 --> 03:01:52.479
but I just think you help. Feels a bit long day.

3747
03:01:52.680 --> 03:01:56.000
But if him going out on these charges and yeah,

3748
03:01:56.000 --> 03:01:59.000
I compared to that in the charges a big difference,

3749
03:02:01.959 --> 03:02:05.120
huge difference, that would be a no bond.

3750
03:02:08.760 --> 03:02:09.440
I understand.

3751
03:02:09.920 --> 03:02:15.719
Okay, al right, I appreciate it. Okay, but you but

3752
03:02:15.879 --> 03:02:17.920
you won't be here to see him tonight. You won't

3753
03:02:18.360 --> 03:02:20.040
that other people will bring him.

3754
03:02:20.840 --> 03:02:23.760
Oh I've already seen him. Oh you have just in passing.

3755
03:02:23.920 --> 03:02:25.600
Oh but okay, cause I'm seem to say, why is

3756
03:02:25.639 --> 03:02:27.879
it easier? Okay, so say cause you told me what

3757
03:02:28.000 --> 03:02:30.520
he's saying. Okay, but yeah, I mean again, I hope

3758
03:02:30.559 --> 03:02:32.200
that he tells the truth, but I don't know. I

3759
03:02:32.239 --> 03:02:34.600
have no idea what he's in saying. Good, but I

3760
03:02:34.680 --> 03:02:37.200
have told the truth and that's all I can do.

3761
03:02:37.360 --> 03:02:38.520
Right, that's it.

3762
03:02:38.719 --> 03:02:42.040
And pray Okay, definitely, Now are they done? What's my car?

3763
03:02:42.120 --> 03:02:43.760
And they needed to do stuff with my mar done.

3764
03:02:43.799 --> 03:02:46.079
Was that, I think, walk you down through it okay,