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April 1, 2025

Exposed: Investigates | The Mica Miller Case Part 4

Exposed: Investigates | The Mica Miller Case Part 4

In this 4th episode of Exposed Investigates: The Micah Miller Case, Jim Chapman details JP Miller’s ex-wife Allison Williams' custody filing against J.P. Miller and Jim covers the first extended interview of JP Miller by News Nation.

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Season 1

In this 4th episode of Exposed Investigates: The Micah Miller Case, Jim Chapman details JP Miller’s ex-wife Allison Williams' custody filing against J.P. Miller and Jim covers the first extended interview of JP Miller by News Nation.

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I'm given cal n oh no, not any.

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman, and we

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are back with this part four of the Micah Miller

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case as part of our Exposed Investigate series. And the

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last time that I left you, people were starting to

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speak out about JP Miller and his relationships that he

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had during his marriage to Micah Miller, allegedly. So I'm

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going to pick up on May twenty eighth of twenty

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twenty four, and this is a month after the death

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of Micah Miller in a bombshell hits when his ex wife,

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Alison Williams amends the custody filing originally filed way back

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in twenty fifteen because by this point she's seeking full

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custody of the kids. Totally understandable after everything that transpired,

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and when these records are filed, they become public again,

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and wow, did the shit hit the fan for JP Miller.

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So I'm going to cover this for you now. The

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document was filed in Hory County, South Carolina, and it

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reads my name is Alison Williams and I am the

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plaintiff in this action. I was formerly married to the defendant,

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John Paul Miller for approximately sixteen years prior to our

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divorce in twenty sixteen. During our marriage, we had fortune,

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two of whom are now emancipated. Since the filing of

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our final order on October thirtieth, twenty fifteen, there has

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been a substantial change in the circumstance that warrants modification

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of our prior final order as fully set forth in

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my verified complaint. I am providing this affidavit in support

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of my verified motion for an ex parte order and

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expedited temporary hearing. I have a ton of evidence to

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support the concerns and allegations contained in my verified complaint motion. However,

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until such time as proper safety measures are in place,

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I am strictly limiting the amount of information shared in

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this affidavit and provided to the court. So this lady

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is already concerned about her safety. The affidavit should read

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in conjunction with the affidavit I previously filed with court

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to allow a full understanding of the facts and circumstances

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surrounding my marriage. In subsequent divorce from the defendant in

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twenty fifteen, JP was the pastor of Solid Rock Ministries

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and I served as his assistant to pastoral duties. We

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separated after I learned JP was having an adulterous affair

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with our former nanny, Micah Miller, who joined our church

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at the age of fifteen and was married to JP's

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best friend, who was also on our church staff and

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serving as our church worship leader at the time of

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the affair. JP told me, in addition to his affair

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with Micah, he had employed prostitutes and had been sexually

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inappropriate with several underage female members of our church. He

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blamed his immoral sexual behaviors on the sexual abuse he

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experienced for years by his father, Wayne Miller. The church

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requested the JPN role in an extensive sexual addiction program. However,

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despite him promising me that he would, to my knowledge

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that happened. The affair between JP and Micah tore our

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personal and our church family apart and caused an imaginable

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amount of pain and discords in the lives of so

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many innocent people who truly trusted and believed in JP.

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At the time the church learned about JP's affair with Micah,

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the church was operating under the belief the old bylaws

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of our church had been amended in that we were

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operating under new bylaws. JP represented that had been put

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in place regarding the church's financial expenditures a board of council.

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When the council voted to have JP temporarily stepped down

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from the head past or position so that he could

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seek treatment for his self reported sexual addictions and focus

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on his restoration. Instead of following the direction of our

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church leaders, JP held a meeting and informed the council

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the new bylaws were invalid and therefore pursuing to the

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old bylaws. He had won one hundred percent decision making authority.

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This was the first time members of our church had

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an opportunities to see JP for who he really was,

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and became gravely concerned about his integrity and the financial

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structure of the church. As a result, almost our entire

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congregation left the church, and JP began his quest to

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recruit new members and operate Solid Rock Ministry solely at

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his direction. After JP informed me that he had been

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inappropriate with minor female members of our church and disclose

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to me the identity of these girls, I immediately contacted

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them to encourage them to come forward. Although they each

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shared with me detailed accounts of what JP did to them,

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they were too scared to make a police report or

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testify in court. When I learned they were too fearful

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to report JP, I went to the police department for

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the purpose of making a report and requesting an investigation. However,

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I was in essence told by police officials that nobody

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would believe me because JP was a well known pastor

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and we were in the middle of a divorce. Without

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the testimony of the victims, there was little else I

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could do to prove what JP had done and ensure

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he was held accountable. I began to realize the power

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JP seemed to have over leaders and officials in our community,

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and based upon having limited proof, there was no way

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for me to ensure JP was held accountable and prevented

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from continuing to victimize innocent people. Given the circumstances, I

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decided the best way for me to protect our children

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was to reach an agreement with JP that contained terms

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I believed would ensure their safety and encourage them to

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seek treatment. To that end, JP had periodic periods of

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visitation with our children. However, we agreed JP's visitation with

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our daughter would be restricted to solely daytime periods of visitation.

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Following my divorce from JP, he married Micah Miller prior

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to my knowledge of JP's sexual relationship with Micah. During

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our marriage, both she and her husband at the time, Jeremy,

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became very close to our family.

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Micah did not have.

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A close relationship with her mother, and to some degree,

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I took her under my wing as an older daughter.

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I taught her to drive, I took her to get

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her driver's license, and allowed for her to care for

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our children. She shared family meal times together at our home.

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I provided her guidance and advice, and she began working

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in the church. Despite the initial destruction caused by JP's infidelity,

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for several years, there was a part of me that

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was relieved to know Michael would be present in the

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home when JP had periods of visitation with our children,

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and I viewed her as a safety net for my children.

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Although our children continued to struggle with anger and disappointment

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they felt toward their father, often refusing to share visitation

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periods with him, for a couple of years, things appeared

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to be not quite as tumultuous. In twenty twenty one

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slash twenty twenty two, things gradually began to change to

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the detriment of our children and have escalated to the

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severity of where things are today. JP and Micah began

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having severe marital difficulties, and our children were placed directly

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in the middle of this discord. JP would preach sermons

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on the sundays our children were with him and present

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in the congregation, disparaging Micah in indicating she had mental

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health issues and eventually putting her in a mental hospital.

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The children were subjected to JP calling Micah crazy one day,

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and then her being back in the home at their

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next visit, with their father assuring them she was fine.

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They never knew what to expect, and the intense unpredictability

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and marital discord between JP and Micah negatively impacted them all.

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On one occasion, while picking up our daughter, are holes

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in their walls, hinges off the doors, and pieces of

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paper taped to the wall with negative affirmations about Micah.

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JP told me and our children that Micah was delusional

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in speaking different languages and seeing things that were not there.

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JP agreed it was not safe for our children to

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be in in his home and for periods at my request,

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did not insist that they stay with him over night.

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He would pick them up from school and bring them

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home after taking them to dinner. JP began spending more

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time with Susie, who was the mother of one of

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the boys that planned on our son's soccer team. JP

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began using our son to facilitate times he could spend

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with Susie, which our children were well aware of. Their

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friends talked about it, and it caused them a tremendous

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amount of embarrassment. When I learned JP was exposing our

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children to yet another one of his adulterous affairs, I

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confronted JP and Susie and told them to not let

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it happen again. JP called me the day that Susie's

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husband died in an alleged drowning accident, extremely upset in

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asking me to pray, which was extremely bizarre based upon

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information and belief. Just two weeks prior to this incident,

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Susie's husband had confronted JP and asked him to leave

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his wife and children alone. It is chilling to know

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that the spouses of both Susan and JP are now dead.

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From tragic events. It was around this time that JP's

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mental health seemed to really be spiraling out of control,

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and he began acting even more bizarre. He informed me

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that he was getting into buying guns and shooting, and

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had purchased a gun, say for his home. As a

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convicted felon, he is not allowed to have weapons. However,

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he managed to get a police chief from the church

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to assist with expunging his record. Further, he was given

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a special police badge that says, pastor to you lives

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if he ever gets pulled over, so they will let

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him go. With the constant discord between JP and Micah

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and JP's own self reported mental health struggles, the thought

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of JP having access to guns and his home terrified

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me for the safety of our children. It was about

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this time that JP began declining to pick our children

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up for visitation, informing me that his mental health was

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not quote well enough for him to share time with them.

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Of course, given the circumstances, I would have refused to

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let them go. However, having it be JP's idea made

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it far easier and safer, and prevented the necessity of

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filing a legal action with the court. One evening, JP

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informed me that Micah had a breakdown and was on

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her way to my house and requested me to hold

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her when she arrived because he had the police coming.

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It was my understanding that Michaeh was trying to get

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away from JP because he was trying to have her

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committed again. Our children were at home and once again

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subjected to severe discord. Micah began calling me for advice

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on how to free yourself from JP and for guidance

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as to counselors and people to assist her. I prayed

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with Micah and did all I could to provide her

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with sound advice and guidance. Micah shared her information with

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me about the things my children were exposed to while

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in the care of JP, and warned me that my

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children were in danger while in his care. I have

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several recordings and text messages that verify this information, and

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it caused me a tremendous concern about the safety and

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welfare of our children while in the care of JP,

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especially now that Micah is no longer present. I was

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married to JP for sixteen years. Although my story and

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what I lived through with JP is different in some ways,

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many of the details shared with me by Micah are

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so similar to my own experiences with JP that I

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know she was being truthful based on information and belief.

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JP's mental health and deviant sexual addictions have only worsened

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since the time that we were married, and I do

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not believe our children are safe in his care. Since

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MICA's death, I have requested the JP not see our children. Initially,

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I was okay with phone calls and text messages. However,

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when recently texting with them, JP had inappropriately discussed the

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current state of offense with them, sharing his plans of

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quote suing everyone and being a millionaire. Our children did

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not need to be subjected to any discussion about our

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current situation. As I am doing all I can to

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prevent them from being exposed to the massive social media

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in national coverage. For their privacy and protection, I have

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refrained from making any public statements or comments. Our children

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are highly upset and do not wish to have contact

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with their father, which at this time I strongly believe

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is in their best interest. My goal is not to

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keep our children from their father permanently, but until such

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time as he can undergo adequate psychological testing following all

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recommendations to ensure his mental stability and a sure contact

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with their father is in their best interest. Currently JP

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is being threatened and followed on social media by people.

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From all around the world.

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Placing our children in that situation and subjecting them to

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the social media coverage or involvement is simply not in

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their best interest. And it is signed Allison Williams again

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JP Miller's ex wife. Now, what made this so damning,

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aside from what you just heard from his ex wife

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regarding messing around with underage kids and things of that nature,

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is she brought the receipts, and I mean she brought them.

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So she submits what's done as an evidentiary packet called

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an exhibit list to support her filings. And we're going

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to go through that now, and I'll be referring to

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a lot of text messages back and forth between several people,

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and I'll make it clear as we go along. So

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the first exhibit she presents is text messages from Michah

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Miller's mother to Alison, the ex wife, right, And in

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this text it says, Ali, I'm begging you, as one

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mother to another, please talk to me. I love you,

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I pray for you often. Please call me. I promise

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no one will know that we spoke. I'm concerned for

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the safety of my daughter, and of course that's Michael

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Miller's mother. Then there's some text between Micah, JP and

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Alison and it starts off Allison texts John Paul and

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Micah in this group text and she says, did you tell?

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And it's redacted so it's one of their kids that

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she can go on trips with you when she turns thirteen.

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John Paul says, what we hope for and what we

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pray for, is that there will be a heart change,

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seeing as I have never nor will ever hurt one

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of my kids or put them in any situation that

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would hurt them. You can continue to say no, and

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you can continue to think the way you do, but

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we can continue to pray and hope. We didn't ask you,

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so there's no need to discuss it, but one day,

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if or when we do, we would.

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Love to discuss it.

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And Allison responds back and she says she misses out

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on vacations and such. Maybe you should take ownership and

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responsibility for your actions present past, and own it. Say

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it's your fault and move forward. If you need or

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Micah want to discuss us more, let's sit down and

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talk about it. And John Paul responds, He says, this

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has nothing to do with my own child. The fact

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that Redacted is with me all the time from morning

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until night. There's no difference between night and morning. She

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is with her dad. The time of day has no bearing.

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But you can do as you want. It is evil

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to remotely make a child think that their parents, whatever,

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in a million years, hurt them. And Alison responds back, says,

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I don't I tell her the truth why you legally

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have lost privileges. John Paul responds back, the truth isn't

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that I lost the privilege because of legal mistakes. I

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don't have the privilege because I signed a paper that

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you have me signed. But you allowed Redacted to stay

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the night for a while, and you can always allow

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it if you want to, because there's no difference in

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Redacted with me in the night, afternoon, morning, etc. But again,

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it's your decision per legal papers. And Alison responds back,

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we can sit down and discuss this more in person.

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I can show you why legal papers were signed. It

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was to avoid presenting affidavits from minors. You've molested, and

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JP responds back with just okay, thank you, and then

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Michael responds, remember this is a group text, but simply

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redacted started choosing where he wanted to go at thirteen,

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so we assumed redacted would have that choice as well.

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Didn't think the gender was an issue since we get

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redacted on a regular basis with no fear of anything

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happening to her. Didn't mean to make a big fuss

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and bring up twenty year old issues. Alison responds back

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to Micah, who says, there's no fear. This is not

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a twenty year old issue. Do you think those victims

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of his would say it's a twenty year old issue? Also,

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JP still displays continued poor character and puts our children

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in harmful situations, paying redacted to take me to lunch

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to ask me if he leaves you in the church,

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would I ever remarry him? And being unfaithful to you

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and putting my child up to be a middleman is

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a horrible situation. To put my child in getting a

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job for and at a location where their boss was

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one of his mistresses is a horrible situation and put

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my children in, especially since she had told a teenage

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co worker she slept with her pastor before her wedding.

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What you're doing is selfish and harmful and has no

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consideration on how it could affect my children at all.

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They have already been put through enough by him, and

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honestly you too. He has shown his interest in scheme

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in hand are most important by doing those things. This

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continued lack of character is harmful for all involved, and

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I will not hide it or pretend all is well.

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When a finger gets pointed at me as though this

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is a possible misunderstanding, and then John Paul responds back

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and says, okay, thanks, and Michaeh responds back, no one

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is pointing a finger at you, saying John Paul's actions

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of your fault. However, what you've heard about it is

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not true. I've done my due diligence as far as redacted.

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I am finally aware of her transgressions. And then she

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puts in parentheses kiss picks in John Paul's lack of

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guts to get rid of her singer. I hope this

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won't affect your opinion of her children. So there's some

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pretty good receipts where JP never denied any of the

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accusations you just heard in those text messages. Then it

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goes to another exhibit. It says text message from defendant

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to Plantiff informing her that a hole she sown the

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door was done by Micah JP text Allison. He says,

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by the way, the hole in the bedroom door was Micah,

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and I have a video of her doing it, so

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don't worry. I'm not an angry person. In another exhibit,

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text message from the cell phone of parties minor child

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to Micah Miller that were actually from the defendant, evidencing

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how the defendant put children in the middle of his

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marital affairs. Note the minor children did not write these

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text messages. They were done by the defendant acting as

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though he were the minor child to attempt to persuade

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Mica to come home. So she made she get her

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hands on text where he was pretending to be one

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of the kids, trying to get Micah to come back

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home when she left JP. So here's JP pretending to

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be the child. Hey, it's redacted. When are you coming home?

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Dad just cries and praise real loud. Micah, I wish

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I could come home, And we're just going to say

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JP because that's really who it is, allegedly, JP. Dad

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says you can come anytime. I told him I'm asking

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you about lashes, Micah. He says different things to me.

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I miss you guys very much. I cry too, JP.

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He said he's sorry, and it's your birthday. Micah. Yep,

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I'm thirty, just got my toes done at Daisy. Life

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is going to move on, but it will be really

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weird for a bit.

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JP.

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So you're not coming home ever? What can I tell

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Dad to do so you can come home? Michah. Thank

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you for your prayers, and I know he knows what

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is right, but we have to make choices that line

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up with that. You're really smart and kind and pretty

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like your mom. I'll miss you, JP. Mom says boys

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are dumb. But I know Dad loves you a lot.

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I've never seen him cry so much if he asks you.

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We talked about lashes. I have to delete this, Micah.

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I understand JP. I'm praying too without Dad that you

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will come home. He's crying so loud right now. Can

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you talk to him please? I promise you he loves you.

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He has your pictures all over the house. He won't

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do anything with us he just keeps crying, and he's

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sitting here trying to play her right, Micah, Last time

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I tried to come home and be peaceful, he called

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the cops and said I was trying to break in.

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After he was the one that asked me to come.

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My hands are tied. He would not even let me in. JP,

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Can I ask him? He has done dumb things, but

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all he does is ask God to bring you home.

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He doesn't even get out of the b he just cries.

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I really liked you being with my dad, Micah. I

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know it's really hard on you, and I don't want.

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To stay away.

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But he has already filled out the paperwork, didn't even

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file anything. He is leaving me and trying to make

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it seem like I left him. I don't think it's

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healthy for you to get involved, because it's a lot

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for anyone to process. Keep praying and if you have

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any questions, tell your mom and I'll talk to her.

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JP.

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So you're not coming home ever? What can I tell

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Dad so you can come home? And then Micah Sin's

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crying faces and says it's gone too far now. Just

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a week later, another blast for JP as a judge

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of rules and in my opinion, rightfully so that Micah

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Miller's belongings could be released to her family, and he

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had to be brought to court and an agreement was

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finally reached and he turned those belongings over to Mikeah

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Miller's family attorney. So the pressure's mounting right for JP

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Miller by this point, and eventually he's got to speak

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to the media. And guess what he does that And

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I'm gonna play that for you today in its entirety,

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his first full interview since all this happened of any

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sort of length. This is JP speaking to News Nation.

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You and I have been talking since this happened, basically

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communicating over texts. Why now, Why the decision to speak now,

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after all this time has passed?

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Where's your head at?

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Well?

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I think part of it is I finally got the

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approval of my attorneys to do so. They am the

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ones working on the defamation cases. They said it's easier

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to win a defamation case the more that people talk,

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and so they've been collecting a lot of evidence over

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the past a while. And also I think that now

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that some of the emotion has died down in the

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world and with with people that are led by their feelings.

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I think now they deserve to hear some logic and

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some truth and make their own assessment.

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Do you miss her, yes, sir, yes, sir? Did you

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feel did you see this coming?

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Yes?

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But it doesn't change it all the the power of

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the pain of reality. I saw it coming for years.

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I told them for years this is what happened. Over

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and I said, if she gets off her medicine, suicide

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is the next thing. She tried it in the past,

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but with me, she always remained okay. With me. She

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was under meds. With me, she was healthy and happy.

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And even if she did get lower, stop taking her medicine.

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I would help her get back on it and things

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will be fine without me and with her family. Uh,

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she's off meds and she committed suicide. And I told

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them this would happen over and over again. I tried

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my best to stop her from getting a gun. I

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went to judges. I have copies of all the police.

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I talked to her counselor of the pastor. She was

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going to her family, her friends. I told them all,

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don't let her get a gun. Do whatever it takes

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prevent her from getting a gun. And when she was

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with me, she was never able to go that far.

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But with them, that's that's exactly what happened in it,

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and it uh destroyed me and I still, honestly, I

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still haven't really grasped it like it hasn't. I kind

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of keep putting off the reality of it, and I

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try not to think about it as much as I can.

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What was going on in your marriage the week Mike

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had died.

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The week she died, we didn't talk that entire week.

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I had emailed her several times that week, and my

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regular emails are sending her letters telling her that I

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love her, and she she came over to the house.

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The last time I saw her was a few weeks

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before she passed away. We spent about four hours together

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and we hugged and kissed, and she was in and

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out of psychotic conversations. She would say, you know one

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thing about double agents that are following her. That was

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one of the phrases she would use when she was

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off for medicine, double ah. The other phrase she would say,

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she wants to come home so bad, but her family

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won't let her. She told me she wanted to live

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in Africa and asked me if i'd live with her.

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I said, sure, if you take your medicine, you know.

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And so she told me if i'd give her some

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money and if I would write her a letter saying

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certain things in this letter, that she would take her medicine.

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And so I tried that, but she desperately wanted to

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come home. She was just so afraid her family would

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disown her. And so the week before she passed away,

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I probably emailed her maybe seven or eight times that

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week to saying I love you. You need your lithium,

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you know. Don't forget who you are when you're on

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medicine versus who you are when you're off. She had

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lost forty pounds in a month, and nobody, it was

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in her life, thought to take care of her. Nobody.

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She was living with a former registered nurse. Her family

469
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.000
quote unquote, we're taking care of her. She lost forty

470
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.880
pounds in one month, and no one thought she needed help.

471
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:16.799
She was talking about living in Africa, and no one

472
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.359
thought she needed help. She's making videos on Facebook and

473
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.000
if you see the videos, you know it's not her

474
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.240
because she's has a different cadence, a different tone, a

475
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.519
different amount of words. Per minute when she's healthy and

476
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.200
on medicine, then when she's off, and the way she

477
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.519
was even looking into space when she's taking those videos,

478
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.440
you knew she was delusion to one. If somebody loved her

479
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.559
enough to take her to a professional and say, Okay,

480
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:37.839
this woman says she's being abused, or this woman says

481
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.079
you know this, or she's lost forty pounds in a month.

482
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.279
If someone thought I need to take her to a professional,

483
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.720
that professional would have known that she needed medicine. And

484
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.359
the reason I know that's true is because I took

485
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.039
her a few months before, a few weeks before she

486
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.319
passed away. I took her to probate court and in

487
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.960
three minutes time, three minutes time, she went in, she

488
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.200
walked back out. When I went in, they said, your

489
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.200
wife is mentally ill and she needs medicine desperately. And

490
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.000
I said, okay, let's let's let's do it. Let's get

491
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:02.400
her to the medicine, let's get her help. And they said,

492
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.839
she's not a danger to anybody in society, so we

493
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:06.839
can't force her to do it. But if one of

494
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.759
her family members or friends had taken note of the

495
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.640
way she was acting and seen what was happening to

496
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.359
her physically and taking her to just one professional that

497
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:15.400
could have saved her life.

498
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:18.559
Where were you when Mike had died?

499
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:20.920
I was. It was on a Saturday. I was in

500
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.119
Charleston with about one hundred people from my kids. What

501
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:28.319
was it, Oh, soccer? It was a soccer tournament.

502
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:30.440
Okay, so we know.

503
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.559
You know I've gone through Micah's last day pretty much

504
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:39.000
almost down to the minute. What bring us through your

505
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:43.079
last day? You said soccer? Were there any Do you

506
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:44.519
have any documentation.

507
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:44.680
That they were there?

508
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.640
Oh? You're asking them because okay, I got you. Yeah,

509
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:50.400
of course, yeah. I can't believe people. Oh my lord.

510
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.279
So yeah, I was with about one hundred people. We

511
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.119
had dinner that night, We were all together at the

512
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:59.000
soccer fields that day. Afterwards, after the soccer game, I

513
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.799
was somebody was with me the entire time, who I

514
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.799
can't name due to legal purposes, but I will say

515
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:06.559
it somebody that I love more than anything else on

516
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:11.640
the planet Earth. Young person that I cannot name d

517
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.839
to legal purposes, but somebody that I am responsible for

518
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.480
and loved very very much. And that person was with me.

519
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.400
And we went shopping in Charleston, and we got food

520
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.160
in Charleston, and there's all the receipts from that throughout

521
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.160
the time. I think we might have gotten gas too.

522
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.279
And then I made it back to and made it

523
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:31.720
back to Myrtle Beach, and I even I was just

524
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:33.960
actually looking today at emails that I sent her that day.

525
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.200
I sent her four emails that day, and I just

526
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.640
noticed today that two of those she wasn't able to

527
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.119
read because it was after it had happened.

528
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:44.759
What do you think happened that day?

529
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.400
So, according to what she's tried to do in the past,

530
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:50.759
and according to her doctors who have taken care of

531
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:52.680
her for years, and according to me, who's seen it

532
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.359
over and over again, I imagine that she was in an

533
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.559
incredibly euphoric attitude. I saw her pictures on the Dick's

534
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:04.079
Pawn shop. Someone sent me screenshots of the Dick's Pawnshop

535
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:08.319
pictures where she's smiling. Which out of the six or

536
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:10.720
seven times that she tried to commit suicide in the past,

537
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.839
only one of those times was she depressed. The other

538
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.160
times she was very euphoric, and she would wake up

539
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.519
and say I think I'm supposed to die to Dan,

540
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.359
and I said, no, no, no, honey, you're not gonna do that.

541
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:22.960
She said, Well, my mind tells me that I'm supposed

542
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.599
to kill myself. I said, we're not gonna listen to

543
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.519
your mind. We're gonna take it to a doctor and

544
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:29.000
get you help. And I discover, of course that she

545
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.799
had stopped taking her meds each time. But either way,

546
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.279
she was in a U four G attitude. So you

547
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.359
see the dix' paon shop video where she's wearing her

548
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.680
her work clothes and with a smile on her face.

549
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.279
So they sold her a weapon, and then I assumed

550
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.160
that she drove. She told one of her best friends.

551
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.920
So far, her four the four people she spent the

552
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.960
most time with every week. No one's interviewed or talked

553
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.559
to those four people. And one of those people that

554
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.799
I talked to told me that she told her two

555
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.319
years ago, if I ever commit suicide, I'm gonna go

556
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.920
to this place in Lumberton, the state park or something

557
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.279
like that. I probably wouldn't want to name her, because

558
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.799
I saw this friend one time here in public for

559
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.960
thirty seconds, and of course Robbie S Harvey, as usual,

560
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.200
got somebody to take a picture and destroyed the girl's life,

561
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.160
brought up her past and horrible things about her. So

562
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.599
people are scared to tell the truth or to talk

563
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.279
about the good things of Micah because of the social media.

564
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.640
So this friend says that Mike had told her, if

565
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.920
I'm going to take my life, I will probably do

566
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.519
it in Lumberton River Estate Park.

567
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.160
She told me that after Micha passed away. But she

568
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:34.160
told me them Michael Torter that two years ago. Yeah.

569
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.039
Did she say, why why that location?

570
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.759
She said, because Michael told her it was peaceful and outdoors,

571
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.599
and Micah did love the outdoors, loved the outdoors. Vacations

572
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:44.839
were outdoor vacations because that's what she loved.

573
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:46.359
But have you ever been there?

574
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.079
No, not that I know of, Not ever that I

575
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:49.359
know of.

576
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.240
Do you guys have any connection to that area?

577
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:52.920
Not at all?

578
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.039
I never you ever heard of there?

579
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:55.839
Nope, I've never even heard of. The place I never

580
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.960
heard of was the city of Robinson County. I never

581
00:33:58.960 --> 00:33:59.599
even heard of there.

582
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.759
For So, did it strike you as before you heard this?

583
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.079
Did it strike you as odd.

584
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.360
When you heard that where she went and what they

585
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.000
say allegedly happened.

586
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:18.760
Did you question it at all? Well?

587
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:20.599
I didn't think it was real. I thought her family

588
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.599
had made it up and had somebody call me and

589
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.840
say that. So that's one big thing. I didn't think

590
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.840
it was real when I found out it was real,

591
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.039
you know how like you know, like you tell somebody something,

592
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.360
you tell him, you tell him, you tell him, you

593
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.239
tell him. Then when it happens, you don't want to

594
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.000
say I told you so, because it's a horrible thing.

595
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.199
That's what I felt like. I felt like I told y'all,

596
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.320
like I told her family this so many times, you

597
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:51.119
can't imagine. I told her friends this, I told everybody.

598
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.679
I said, if y'all don't get her her lithium, she's

599
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.559
going to commit suicide. Her doctor told it. It's on

600
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.519
paperwork where a doctor said this, And and then when

601
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.239
I get the call, I felt that what I felt like,

602
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.079
I felt like the world's biggest failure because I spent

603
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.840
the past three months when she or when her family

604
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.320
got her out of the hospital and didn't bring her home,

605
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.920
and her dad talked her into buying him a car,

606
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.840
and all this stuff was happening, that was all crazy.

607
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:18.800
I made a vow that I was going to do

608
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:20.840
something every single day to try to get her back

609
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.920
on her lithium and save her life. And so every

610
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.159
day I did something. Sometimes I did four or five, six,

611
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.159
seven things. Some days it's just one thing. But every day,

612
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.719
whether there was an email, at text, visit someone, talk

613
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.239
to a family member, talk to her friend, go somewhere,

614
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:33.840
go to a judge, go to probate, I'm going to

615
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:35.519
do something to save her life. And I spent every

616
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.719
single day for those three months doing that. So getting

617
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:41.800
that phone call made me feel like the world's greatest failure.

618
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:44.480
I was against the whole world because everyone told me

619
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:48.239
that it wasn't true, and that that that that I

620
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.159
was making it up, and that whatever they were saying.

621
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.159
So it was me against the world for three months

622
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:53.760
and I failed.

623
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:56.960
What was the call? And who who is the call from?

624
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.960
And what are the man that's it was a man?

625
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.880
I got a call and it was I think. I

626
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:07.400
think it was a detective, I think, and he I

627
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:13.039
remember him being very calm and very nonchalant, and so

628
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.000
that's my thought, Well, this is not real, and so

629
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.079
I started screaming. I had a family member that was

630
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.760
there with me. I started screaming for them to use

631
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:23.840
their phone to call the hospital where the guy said

632
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.000
she was at, and my family member called the hospital

633
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.639
and said it was real, and I still didn't believe it,

634
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.519
and so I called a police chief that I know

635
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:40.079
somewhere around here, captain or somebody, and I said, there's

636
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.360
a detective name such and such on the phone telling

637
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.960
me these things like is this real? Is it a

638
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.679
real person or not? And that person told me that

639
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:56.559
it was real as well. And I just remember I

640
00:36:56.559 --> 00:37:01.599
remember screaming really loud and throwing up everywhere.

641
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.719
And what did they tell you?

642
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:11.199
I remember throwing up that spaghetti that day. It was

643
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.000
a lot of throw up. It was something read.

644
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.519
I'm sorry, what did they tell you?

645
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.719
I don't remember that. Oh no, I don't remember that.

646
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.800
Hold on, I don't remember, he said. My family member

647
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.400
called the hospital and spoke to I think either the

648
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.400
head nurse or medical examiner or somebody, and that lady

649
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.280
read me stuff that the Robinson County, I guess, had

650
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.039
wrote on a piece of paper. And she was reading

651
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.760
me suicide and the weapon and the where it was at,

652
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:49.719
and uh, all these different facts. And so then I

653
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.519
cause the detective would not tell me it was suicide.

654
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.719
And then I called him back and told him what

655
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:57.480
the hospital told me, and he was pissed off and

656
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.400
asked me who that lady's name was. And I didn't

657
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.280
know her name. And if I didn't know, I wan't

658
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.400
going to tell him anyway, because I'm glad she told

659
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:07.519
me anyway. And so and I said, is this stuff true?

660
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:09.800
And I can't remember if he said yes or just

661
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:11.559
hung up. I don't remember. I don't remember.

662
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:13.159
Do you remember what he said? Though?

663
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:14.000
Oh?

664
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:19.840
Man out, I don't remember at all. If I try to,

665
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.559
if I try to, if I try to enunciate it,

666
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.679
I'll probably be making something up based on all the

667
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.920
crashing of everything going on. So I don't I can't

668
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:32.599
tell you for sure.

669
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:38.119
Did you ever question the findings that the authorities gave

670
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:39.679
to you that this was suicide?

671
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:42.920
No?

672
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.239
I mean, I'm not a detective. You know, I watched

673
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:48.039
Scooby Doo growing up. But that's what everybody seems to

674
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:49.440
be acting like, is they're in a part of the

675
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:53.599
mystery machine. But my Lord, like, let my wife, let her,

676
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.480
let her let her be at peace, like she's in heaven.

677
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.519
She's not worrying about all this stuff. Let her let

678
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:06.119
her rest, let her memory rest. She had suicidal tendencies

679
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.719
over and over, year after year off medication, especially, she

680
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:11.760
went to Dick's puns up before purchased a weapon and

681
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:15.239
tried to do the same thing. She drove out the

682
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.239
middle of nowhere. She called nine when one left a

683
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.679
voice message. I don't really understand what else could be.

684
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.760
You know what, I'm not a professional, so I don't know.

685
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.280
In other words, it all added up to you. It

686
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.079
made sense to you.

687
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:30.199
I mean, I'm not a detective. If she had heart surgery,

688
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.599
I'm not going to question the heart surgeon. I don't

689
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:35.719
know anything about detective work at all.

690
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.280
Right, But it's your wife, I mean, it's and them

691
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.360
telling you her life has ended.

692
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:45.719
Are you trying to ask me if I think somebody

693
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:47.760
murdered her?

694
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:50.519
Do you think anybody murdered her? No.

695
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.159
One of the things that raised eyebrows initially for the

696
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.159
public was when you gave a sermon here and you

697
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:06.239
announced publicly that she had committed suicide, and you talked

698
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:10.280
about you attributed to her mental health. Why do you

699
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.199
feel the need to come out with that at that moment.

700
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.639
That's a great question. So we first let's discuss why

701
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.440
I preached that morning. Is that okay? Okay? So people

702
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.920
have been asking that. So, have you ever taken any

703
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.039
psychology classes or anything like that?

704
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:26.840
Very few?

705
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.960
Okay, yeah, I haven't taken any. So I would love

706
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.760
to find a book or a psychology professor or someone

707
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.800
that could tell me the correct response when you spend

708
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.960
seven years trying to keep someone alive by just taking

709
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.960
a few pills that their family tells them not to take.

710
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.320
Then when they don't take it, they go into a hospital,

711
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.199
their family takes them out, and then you spend three

712
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:51.280
months trying to get them help when her family's telling

713
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.000
them that you're evil and the bad person. And then

714
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.119
it finally happens, the thing that you've been dreading for

715
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.079
seven years. Then you're trying to prevent for seven years,

716
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:59.719
then it happens. I don't know what the correct response

717
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:01.960
is right then? Am I supposed to stay home and cry?

718
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:03.199
I'm I supposed to go out with my friends? Am

719
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:04.440
I supposed to go to a bar and drink? I

720
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.880
don't know where the right thing is right as a pastor,

721
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:08.639
so I just get on my knees and pray. I

722
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:10.400
mean I want to die in that moment. And so

723
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:14.480
the next morning, I remember thinking, Okay, if I stay

724
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.280
home I'm probably gonna kill myself if I'm gonna just

725
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.639
go to heaven and be with her and be done,

726
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:19.639
because I need to be around people. But I don't

727
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:20.840
want to be around people and come to church. And

728
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.239
I'm not gonna preach, because then I'll be judging the

729
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:23.920
guy that's preaching the whole time. And I can preach

730
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.199
as easy as I can breathe. So I'm just gonna

731
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:27.679
go in the mode of what I'm normally gonna do

732
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.760
and just continue my life normally until I finally have

733
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.480
to deal with what's going on. And so I didn't

734
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:34.199
know what else to do. I didn't know the right response.

735
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.360
I wish somebody had told me if I in hindsight,

736
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:38.079
if I go back in time, I probably would have

737
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.360
done the same thing and still preached. And then at

738
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.400
the end, and the sermon was about leaving your legacy

739
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.239
and then the people you leave on earth and your

740
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:45.920
memory this being left. So I thought, maybe that's God.

741
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:47.199
Then I thought, you know what, Michael would want me

742
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:48.960
to preach. That's exactly what she wants me to do.

743
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:50.719
She'd be telling me to do it, she'd be trying

744
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.840
to force me to do it. So I preached, and

745
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.039
then at the end of the sermon when I made

746
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.679
the announcement. The announcement was made, and of course I'm

747
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:58.880
not in a clear thinking frame of mind. I mean,

748
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.559
it's like, you know, it's not like I'm you know,

749
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.119
Kumbai Yah and got it all together. I said what

750
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:09.280
I said because I didn't want them to think that

751
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.960
it was because she's a bad person, or I want

752
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.199
them to know, like what if Micah does anything that's

753
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:19.280
out of character, it's because of her mental illness. It's

754
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.199
not because of her Like she's a wonderful woman, full

755
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.880
of integrity. When she's under medicine, she's black and white,

756
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.760
does the right thing, does not like the wrong thing

757
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.719
being done. Off medication, She's a totally different person. And

758
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.360
I didn't want them to see her as someone that

759
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:34.000
was bad. I want them to know it's just a sickness,

760
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:35.519
like if you have heart disease or if you have

761
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.719
you know, diabetes or whatever mental illness, you need medicine

762
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.840
to continue going forward. And so that's why I said that.

763
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:48.360
Also, something I found interesting in that moment, you said,

764
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.840
before I tell you this news paraphrase here.

765
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.000
I'm going to tell you this Dues and I don't

766
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.360
want you. I want you to leave. I don't want

767
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:57.400
you to stand up and talk about it. Why.

768
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.639
That's a great question, And that was actually INTI because

769
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.719
the last thing I wanted to hear was people talking

770
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.239
about my wife. I wanted them to go and take

771
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:11.079
it to Jesus before they start, you know, doing what

772
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.639
some Christians like to do and just chatter, chatter, chatter.

773
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:15.719
And I didn't want to experience the extra pain. I

774
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.800
didn't want to be mad at somebody in my church

775
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:21.199
because I heard them say, well, you know, I'm not

776
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.280
even gonna guess at what somebody could have said. But

777
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.400
I didn't want to invice anything negative about my wife.

778
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:32.039
Another point of concern, let's say, for people watching, was

779
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.920
when you give a eulogy, was something concerned people said

780
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.320
that was concerning that you said that you tried to

781
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.480
raise Micah from the dead, and I believe at another

782
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.320
point you said you laid next to her body, and

783
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.000
the more is that true.

784
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:48.280
I didn't laid next to her body. I mean I

785
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.719
laid I couldn't. You can't lay next to her because

786
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.519
she's her body's up on this thing. But I mean

787
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:56.440
I hugged her and I sat on the floor, you know,

788
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.199
next to her and just talked to her for a while.

789
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:00.800
But yeah, I tried to raise her from the dead,

790
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.599
because you know what, if it had worked, we'd have

791
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.360
a whole different story. But God forbid me not try it,

792
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:09.480
and always wanted the rest of my life. Would it

793
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.239
have worked. Jesus did it? Elisha did it. It's a

794
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.000
few other people in the Bible, and show them. Yes,

795
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.480
if somebody I love more than anything in the world

796
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.159
has passed away what I believe to be in early death,

797
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.320
you better believe I'm going to try to in Jesus Name,

798
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.000
raise them from the dead. I believe in healing, I

799
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.760
believe in miracles. I believe in the raising of the dead.

800
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.960
I'm a one God Apostolic tongue talking, holy rolling, born again,

801
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.039
having bound believer in the liberated power of Jesus Name.

802
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:36.039
I'm not ashamed of it.

803
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.639
Did you characterize your relationship with Micah as healthy?

804
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.880
Oh? Man, we had when she was on her medicine,

805
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.800
we had the greatest marriage you could ever imagine. We

806
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.599
spent every day together. I don't know any other couple

807
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:51.320
that every day. So we wake up, well, she'd kind

808
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.840
of wake up before me. But you know, we'd go

809
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.559
work out together every day, five days a week. We

810
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:01.880
eat lunch together every day, we would work together every day,

811
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:03.639
we'd pick up the kids, who saw with the kids

812
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:06.119
every day. We'd go to dinner every night together. Then

813
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:08.559
every night we would have our routine. So there's three

814
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:09.840
things that would do. We'd be either sit in the

815
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:12.119
bathtub together for two hours until the water went from

816
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.840
steaming hot to ice cold. She bought us big air

817
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.199
mattress we'd put in the back of the truck, and

818
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:18.920
we'd go park somewhere here in Mortar Beach where there's

819
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.360
no lights, and she'd bring us some hot chocolate and

820
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.119
we'd lay on the air mattress for two hours. Or

821
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:25.480
we would go out on the beach with our beach

822
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.239
blanket and lay there for two hours. But the point

823
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.679
was no cell phones, just her and I. She would

824
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.360
talk ninety percent of the time. I would talk ten

825
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.239
percent of the time and I'd just listen. And so

826
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.920
every night, two hours we'd hang out together. And so

827
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.639
was our mariage healthy. It's probably as healthy as any

828
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:41.280
other American marriage.

829
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.400
Have you ever abused your wife?

830
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.760
Never not wants in any way shape or form. I

831
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.559
took better care than anybody could ever take care of her.

832
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.960
I never made her ask her to clean the house,

833
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.119
not once in seven years of marriage. She never had

834
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.559
to cook a single meal, she never had to work,

835
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:57.840
She was never harmed physically in any way.

836
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.000
In a letter or in an email you wrote to Micah,

837
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.679
you apologized, yes, right, you apologize for hiring it, for

838
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:10.239
tracking her, for messing with her tires, for posting the picture.

839
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:12.440
So that's all true.

840
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.239
Right, So if I wanted a great question, I'm so

841
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.280
glad you asked that. Actually, if I wanted to lie

842
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.679
about that, I would just say I never wrote the letter, right,

843
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:21.480
because how can you prove that I wrote somebody letter.

844
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.159
There's no signature, there's no name, it's not in my handwriting.

845
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.079
But one hundred percent wrote the letter. And I did

846
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:28.599
it because the night that she was with me, the

847
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.599
last night we were together for four hours at one point,

848
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.280
because the whole four hours, I'm trying to get her

849
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.559
to take her medicine, and then she's saying, my family

850
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:37.119
doesn't want me to. They don't want me to come

851
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.559
inside the house. Maybe it's your house, come inside. So

852
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:40.960
if I don't get to point she says, you know what,

853
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.079
I'll take my medicine and i'll come home if you'll

854
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.639
give me ten thousand dollars and if you'll write me

855
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:47.519
an apology letter.

856
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.000
So let me understand this correctly.

857
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.840
The letter, the email that you wrote to Micah apologizing

858
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.280
for hiring a PI, tracking her, messing with her tires,

859
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.119
and posting a topless for all of her you wrote

860
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:05.360
that you say yes, but now you're saying that you

861
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.000
didn't actually do these things.

862
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.719
I did the PI thing. But so over the years,

863
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.679
what I've learned with her is when she's in a delusional,

864
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.280
my state of mind, I have to play into it

865
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.320
in order to get her to get her back on medicine.

866
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.679
So the first year or two, when she say something,

867
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.920
I'd say that's not true, that's not real, she'd get

868
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.000
mad and blow up and you know, knock a hole

869
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.199
in the wall or something like that. So then by

870
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:33.000
December December twenty nineteen, I think it was, she watched

871
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.159
TV and she just stopped and said, you're a double agent.

872
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.320
And I said no, I'm no. No, she says, yes,

873
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:38.800
you are. She said, and I'm gonna call the police.

874
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:40.880
Said you're a double agent, and you've stolen my things

875
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.800
and I'm gonna I'm gonna put you in jail. And

876
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:46.199
I was like, oh my goodness, what I do. She

877
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:47.280
hadn't been taking her medicine.

878
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.639
So, just to be clear, you wrote this to Micah,

879
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:52.519
but now you're saying you didn't do those things.

880
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.280
No, I did not slash the tire. I did not

881
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:55.719
There was no I don't think there's a naked picture

882
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:57.559
of her anywhere ever anyone. I think I was just

883
00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:59.480
a made up thing. And I think that her tired

884
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.079
just got ran over. From what I understand, I don't know.

885
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:05.519
I didn't see anything, but I did hire the PI before.

886
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.480
I did everything I could to stop her from getting

887
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.119
a weapon. Everything you can imagine. I hired a private eye,

888
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:12.199
and I said, put a tracker in her car, and

889
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.280
if she gets anywhere near a gun store, please let

890
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.760
me know. I did everything I could think of, and.

891
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:21.559
Did that private eye alert you.

892
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.480
She never thought No, I'd stopped paying for it about

893
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:29.039
three weeks beforehand. Four weeks beforehand. Yeah, why running out

894
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.320
of money and people telling me that she was totally fine,

895
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:33.440
and I'm wasting my time.

896
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:35.679
So what do you say to the doubters and critics

897
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.159
who say you drove her to suicide.

898
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.360
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. She so wait, wait,

899
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.079
she wasn't with me, because listen with me, she didn't

900
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.679
commit suicide. Apart from me for three months and with

901
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.519
her family, she did commit suicide. One of the last

902
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:52.320
things she showed me, she showed me a book she's

903
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.079
reading called I Love Jesus, but I want to die.

904
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:56.639
And I said, why do you want to die? Said

905
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:58.599
because I can't come home because my family won't let me.

906
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.440
That's what I say to them. I'm so sorry, I'm

907
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.320
so sorry.

908
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:23.480
Wait a minute, oh man, oh man, what's tripping me up?

909
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:31.559
Just you know what to tell? Just been able to

910
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.679
talk about everything. It feels like that, you know, people

911
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.079
don't care to hear the truth.

912
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:39.559
They just.

913
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:45.400
They just want to go off the feelings. And I believe,

914
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.440
you know, whoever screams the loudest rather than whoever you know,

915
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:50.880
has the proof.

916
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:55.320
Do you feel that you did anything that you would change?

917
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:56.960
Do you feel any part responsible?

918
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.280
God, that's a great question, man, that's such a good question.

919
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:03.960
I want a good question. Can I have a second

920
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:04.440
to think about it?

921
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:04.960
Sure?

922
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.440
Okay, Oh my gosh, that's such a good question. What

923
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.599
would I do differently? Oh, man, Oh, I know what

924
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:10.960
I do.

925
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:11.719
I know what I do.

926
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.000
I know what to do. I would not involve her

927
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:18.159
family when she's having mental episodes and is a schizophrenic,

928
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.039
you know, is off off off her Man's I would

929
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:21.880
never have texted them.

930
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.360
We've seen you dress as Spider Man and videos.

931
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:32.639
Let me, I'm not Spider Man to me, it says

932
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:35.480
Spider Man as the as the person who's texting me.

933
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.239
So we've seen you in videos dressed as Spider Man

934
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.320
and know there's a Spider Man character in your back,

935
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:46.039
the back of your house somewhere. Her family says, wonders

936
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:51.239
if you have identity issues, uh, and this need to

937
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:55.119
align with superheroes. What's what's your reaction? What and what's

938
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.360
the reason for the Spider Man.

939
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.840
Well, first of all, I can neither confirm nor deny

940
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.960
that I've ever put on a Spider Man costume. But

941
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.280
you'll never see me in the same room with Spider Man.

942
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:10.239
I will say that. And I don't know people say

943
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:11.239
stuff me. Michael would go.

944
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:13.599
To you, so you don't get in the Spider Man costume.

945
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.320
I mean, you just send me a picture with you

946
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:15.960
and Spider Man.

947
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:16.320
Mike.

948
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.559
We go to comic cons every year. We both dress

949
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:21.199
up like it, dressed up more than I did. Actually,

950
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.039
there are times I didn't dress up and she did.

951
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.159
We love that kind of stuff she would do. She

952
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:30.599
was wonder Woman, she was Spider Woman, she was mystique,

953
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:33.960
she was she was a lot of different characters.

954
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.440
So you're not even gonna grant that it's there's something

955
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:38.000
odd here.

956
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:39.400
I'm not.

957
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:41.480
No.

958
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.639
I put on Spider Macross, I go see handicap children.

959
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:49.880
I'll go visit kids that you know love comic books

960
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.840
in that their handicap, and I'll pretending like I'm Spider

961
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:56.119
Man and I'll take them a comic book and do

962
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:57.679
videos with them and stuff like that.

963
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.800
One of the videos that is surfaced recently is from

964
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.480
years ago, and I'm sure you know what it is.

965
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.280
It's you're sitting face down on the ground and you're

966
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:13.119
freaking out and you're you're talking about literally squealing about

967
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:18.239
being eaten by ants, taking the wrong meds.

968
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:19.360
That you missed your family.

969
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:32.800
Is your medication something I gave you.

970
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:36.679
I mean, for viewers, for people watching it, the common

971
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:38.639
thought is what is going on here?

972
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.039
And do you have a drug problem.

973
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:44.559
So I fell out of a tree, a giant magnoia

974
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.559
tree was like three hundred years old. I broke twelve bones.

975
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:50.840
It was ten to twelve bones. I don't know if

976
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.719
you count figure yet. Anyway, I have all this metal

977
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.599
in my body, and I'd never taken pain meds in

978
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:58.960
my life, and I just had my body cast taken off,

979
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.559
and so I took a little bit too much pain

980
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:02.199
meds that day.

981
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.960
That's it, That's just what broke Casette.

982
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:12.159
I don't remember any of them. It was twenty and seventeen, sixteen, sixteen,

983
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.079
twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, and it was like ten years ago,

984
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:19.519
eight years ago whatever. And and I was missing my family.

985
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:21.840
My wife, Micah and I we started through an affair

986
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:23.800
and so we were both married to people and then

987
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.599
we you know, we got divorced. And I was missing

988
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.599
my my family because I'd lost my you know family

989
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:33.119
at the time, and I was on pain meds and

990
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.760
it just all just went together. But fell out of

991
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:37.400
a tree, broke a bunch of bones, took too many

992
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:37.960
paint meds.

993
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.679
Now was that story not hallucinogenics?

994
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:42.639
Not? What is it? What would a lucinogenic be.

995
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:47.039
Make you hallucinate, Well, what makes you hallucinate? Drugs like

996
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.119
illegal drugs? Hallucinogenic drugs.

997
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.079
Yeah, oh, I've never done a legal drugs my whole life.

998
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:56.639
Okay, well, oh.

999
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.199
Crap, that was a liar. I'm sorry, that was a lie.

1000
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:02.360
When when I was sixteen years old, one time I

1001
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:03.800
was in a truck with two of my friends and

1002
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.079
they were both smoking pot. I didn't smoke any but

1003
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.519
they do a thing called hot box, and so I

1004
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:11.159
got some of that and I tried steroids one time.

1005
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.440
So there you have it. Next week we'll be back.

1006
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.440
We've only got.

1007
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:20.679
A couple of episodes left in this series, and next

1008
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.920
week we're going to be talking about MICA's Law, which

1009
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:28.400
was sought by the family of Micah Miller, and so

1010
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Name of the song, roll my Lie blow.

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