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Aug. 26, 2026

Day 7 | The Trial of Keffe D: Who Killed Tupac?

Day 7 | The Trial of Keffe D: Who Killed Tupac?
Day 7 of the Duane “Keefe D” Davis Murder Trial: Tupac’s Final Warning and the Shot Caller’s World
On Day 7 of the high-stakes murder trial of Duane “Keefe D” Davis, the man accused of orchestrating the 1996 drive-by killing of Tupac Shakur, the jury heard chilling first-hand testimony from one of the rapper’s closest friends and a deep dive into the gang hierarchy that prosecutors say put Davis at the top of the chain of command. Malcolm Greenidge, better known as E.D.I. Mean of the Outlawz, took the stand under a court order after initially resisting. A childhood friend, mentor figure, and group member who called Tupac a big brother, Greenidge described riding in the caravan behind Suge Knight’s BMW on the night of September 7, 1996, as the group headed toward Club 662.

He watched a light-colored four-door Cadillac pull alongside the BMW. Shots erupted from the back seat. He saw an arm and a gun extend from the vehicle — the arm appearing to belong to a Black man. Horrified, he later approached the stopped BMW, only to hear the wounded Tupac warn him: “Get on the ground, they’re going to shoot you.” Moments later, a police shotgun was pointed in his face.

The day also featured testimony from crime scene analysts who processed the 2023 search of Davis’s Henderson home, recovering production budgets, copies of Compton Street Legend, a 1996 Vibe magazine, and a scrapbook filled with contemporary newspaper clippings about Tupac’s murder. A firearms technician confirmed that all seven .40-caliber casings recovered from the original crime scene were fired from the same gun, with no matches in the national ballistic database.

Former Compton police gang detective Robert Ladd closed out key portions of the day by painting a clear picture of South Side Compton Crips structure. He identified Davis as a high-ranking “shot caller” and major narcotics dealer — the kind of OG who could order younger members to act and expect compliance. If Davis was in that Cadillac, Ladd testified, any shooting would have required his authorization.

Timestamps:
07:34 Home Search Evidence
10:50 Juror Knows Witness
14:25 Cartridge Case Analysis
17:59 Compton Gang Expert
29:19 Davis and Southside Crips
2:00:46 Little Owl's Custody
2:04:44 Field Cards and Identity

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Welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. I'm

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your host, Jim Chapman. I'm back with the coverage from

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the seventh day in the state of Nevada versus Dwayne

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Keefe D. Davis trial. Now, yesterday, day six. The trial

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was completely centered around filmmaker Michael Dorsey and more of

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Davis' 2017 Death Row Chronicles interviews. So today, the prosecution,

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they shifted gears. An actual eyewitness from the convoy, physical

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evidence from Davis' house, and gang-related context testimony designed to

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explain this. the motive in this case. So court started

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around 930 in the morning and first up on the

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stand was Malcolm Greenidge. Now he's professionally known as EDI Mean.

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He's a founding member of the Outlaws and he's one

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of Tupac Shakur's closest childhood friends. Now the Outlaws was

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a rap group that Tupac wanted to help by breaking

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them into rap music. And right from the jump, this

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guy made it known he was being forced to testify.

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He did not want to be here, much like many

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of the previous witnesses that we have covered. So Greenwich

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testified about his relationship with Tupac by saying, quote, a mentor,

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the list goes on and on, unquote. He also testified

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that he had a dream of becoming a rapper and

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that Tupac saw something in him and agreed to help

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make that dream come true, which led Greenidge to join

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the group that would eventually become the Outlaws, and they

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released an album with Tupac. Now, Greenidge further testified about

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Tupac's business plans at that time by saying, Tupac wanted

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to launch his own imprint called Machiavelli Records. Now, before

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you say, oh, that shows some kind of a motive

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that maybe Suge Knight might have killed him. The fact

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of the matter is it was supposed to be distributed

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and plans were that it was going to be distributed

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by Death Row Records. So Suge Knight is still going

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to get his piece of the cake, right? Now, separately,

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Tupac was also in talks with Quincy Jones, allegedly, for

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independent business and film projects that would not involve death row,

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according to this witness. Greenidge then spoke of the night

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of September 7, 1996, leading up to the shooting. He

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said that he and others had come to Las Vegas

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that weekend specifically for the Mike Tyson vs. Bruce Seldon

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fight at the MGM Grand. and that Tupac spent part

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of the day gambling and that he did make some money.

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He actually won at the tables. He said that Pac

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told the group that they would go change clothes and

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that he would call them when he was ready and

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they could all head to the fight together. However, He

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said that phone call never came and he never attended

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the fight. He said later that night the group was

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traveling in a convoy toward 662, Club 662. Greenwich was

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in a vehicle position directly behind the black BMW driven

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by Suge Knight with Tupac in the passenger seat. As

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far as the shooting itself, he testified the group was

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behind Pac and Suge. They were stopped at a traffic

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light in the area of Flamingo and Coval Lane. And

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he testified, quote, we were at a light.

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Mr.

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Shakur and Suge Knight were talking to some young ladies.

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We couldn't hear what they were talking about. And when

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those ladies pulled off, another car pulled up and started

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shooting at Mr. Shakur and Mr.

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Knight.

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The shots came from inside the vehicle. It was from

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the back seat, and the arm and the gun attached

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to that arm came from the back seat window. From

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my vantage point, they appeared to be African-American. Now, details

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that he provided included that the suspect vehicle was a light-colored,

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white or cream four-door Cadillac. He said his immediate reaction

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was that he was horrified. He then said Suge Knight

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made a U-turn and drove away, so Greenwich Vehicle followed

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the and at another intersection, Knight stopped again. Greenwich and

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others got out of their vehicle and approached the BMW

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to check on Tupac. And I found this interesting and

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also a little bit sad. Greenwich said, quote, when we

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approached the car, Mr. Shakur said to me, get on

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the ground. They're going to shoot you. Which, y'all, Pac

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is lying there, dying, and he was still worried about

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his friend. I thought that was Pretty cool. So Greenwich

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said that he turned around and there was a shotgun

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in his face. The person holding the shotgun was a

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police officer. Greenwich immediately complied and he got on the ground.

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From his position on the ground, he said he could

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not clearly see Tupac's specific injuries, but he did observe

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that Suge Knight was bleeding from the head and was

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asking for medical assistance. for Tupac. A jury did submit

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a written question that was read in open court, quote,

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were shots that were fired from your crew toward the attackers?

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And Greenidge answered, not that I know of. On a

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follow-up from the defense, he did confirm he did not

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know whether anyone in the vehicles in the caravan had

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a weapon. So there's some talk back and forth about

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shooting back after this incident from Suge Knight and Tupac's peeps.

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And there's some debate over that. Some people say they did,

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some people say they didn't. I don't necessarily know why

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that would matter, but there you have it. The defense

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did take over and Sam's questioning focused heavily on Tupac's

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relationship with Death Row and his future plans. And what

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he's trying to do there is tear down the fact

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or actually give a motive to the fact that, hey,

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there's another reason Tupac might have needed to be killed

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in some people's eyes. And he's trying to throw some

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blame on Suge Knight's way, right? Greenidge confirmed that there

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were proposed projects with Quincy Jones and they were intended

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to be independent and would not have involved death row records.

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Sam also would press this guy on the limits of

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what Greenidge could actually see. He kept pushing the fact that, hey,

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you couldn't make a facial identification. You were kind of limited.

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as far as what you could see from your vantage point.

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All you could see is an arm and a gun.

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It could have been anybody, you know, things like that.

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Greenwich testified to a lot of things in the way

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of what exactly happened from his vantage point, but he

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wasn't able to say who was in that car. And

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that's an important part of the testimony, but it was significant.

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He's one of the few remaining people who was actually

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in the convoy that night and close enough to witness

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the shooting and and hear Tupac speak right after the shooting.

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So after Greenwich, the prosecution turned to the September 2023

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search of Dwayne Davis' home in Henderson, Nevada. the search

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that actually followed his arrest. Now, Jeffrey Scott took the stand.

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He identified himself as a senior crime scene analyst with

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Las Vegas Metro PD. Now, he testified that on July 17th, 2023,

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while working the swing shift, he responded to Kifidi's residence

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to document the execution of a search warrant. He was

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the first and initially the only crime scene analyst to arrive.

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He was later relieved by a co-worker. Her name is

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Stevie Thelebaum, and we'll get to her testimony in just

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a bit. His role was to photograph and document items

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of interest pointed out by detectives that were executing that

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search warrant. He was not there as a primary investigator

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looking for specific items, just basically there to process and

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preserve whatever documents detectives told him to. Prosecutors would display

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a series of photographs. They showed a picture of a

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Dodge Challenger parked inside the residence. They showed interior photos

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of the residence and documents inside of an envelope that

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made no particular meaning to me. They showed a three-page

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document that looked like it was a proposal for an

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episodic series, some sort of television product. It included a

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ledger detailing a total budget that was slightly under $ 1 million.

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And on cross-examination, when shown certain photos, he stated he

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could not specifically remember whether he took those pictures or

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or somebody else did. Really, the defense didn't have a

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whole lot to ask him. He's just a guy taking pictures.

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He's a crime scene analyst. So his cross-examination, meaning defense

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attorney Michael Sanft, was very brief. Now, next up on

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the stand was Stevie Thellebaum, and she identified herself as

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a senior crime scene analyst, also with Las Vegas Metro PD.

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she testified that she responded as the relief for the

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guy that I just told you about at the Davis residence,

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Jeffrey Scott. And she documented the scene with her own photographs. Now,

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prior to testifying, she did mention she reviewed all the

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photographs taken at the location. And much of her direct

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examination consisted of walking through the jury's room. additional photographs

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from inside the home and the garage. They showed a

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bottle of 1995 Dom Perignon. They showed multiple books that

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were visible in the home, including Compton Street Legend, Murder Rap,

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The Confused Mind of a Drug Dealer, and a Vibe

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magazine that featured Tupac Shakur on the cover, which was

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a 1996 issue related to the case. And she confirmed

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she collected two specific items, The Book, Compton Street Legend,

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and That Vibe Magazine. Now, in the garage, detectives located

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two storage bins that contained what looked like a lot

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of personal effects, and she discussed photographing these bins. And again,

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cross-examination for this witness, relatively brief. It focused on pictures

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and the collection process of those pictures. And then they

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take a break in court. And although this was not

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brought up until after lunch... The court had a problem.

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During the break, they learned one of their seated jurors

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actually knew a previous witness, and it's Jeffrey Scott, the

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guy I covered just before this lady. And that's a problem,

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but we'll get to more of that in a bit.

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Witness number four then took the stand. Her name was

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Justine Gaddis, and she was called to the stand because

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she was a homicide detective with the Las Vegas Metropolitan

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Police Department. She also testified that she was present during

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the execution of the search warrant at Kifidi's residence on

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July 17, 2023. She talked about the two storage bins

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from the garage and other items of interest that they

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took and impounded, if you will. She did say that

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certain items were later released back to Kifidi. She talked

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about specific items that were recovered, including a 1997 Compton

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Police Department search warrant document and return for a California

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address that was linked to Davis. She talked about some books.

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She talked about that Vibe magazine that they took. She

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talked about a jacket containing local gang references. She talked

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about numerous news articles and magazine clippings on Tupac Shakur's

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shooting and his death, as well as some articles on

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Orlando Anderson, some articles on Biggie Smalls, some articles on

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Death Row Records. and she said they also seized multiple

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electronic devices, including laptops, external hard drives, tablets, and phones.

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Gaddis also confirmed that former detective Clifford Mogg, he had

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been the primary Las Vegas Metro PD investigator in the

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Tupac homicide investigation prior to his retirement in August of

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And on cross-examination, she acknowledged that Mogg retired from the

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Las Vegas Metro Police Department in August of 2023 and

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then subsequently became a contract investigator for the Clark County

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District Attorney's Office. Now, the defense questioning, it focused more

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on the absence of formal evidence. officer reports that were

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written by Mogg before or after his retirement. This guy

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apparently did not log a bunch of things, as you should,

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as you're supposed to. And Gaddis testified she personally had

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not read any officer reports written by Mogg. Now, she

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took over this investigation. That's kind of a problem. Where's

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all your reports? How do you not write anything down?

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Gaddis also testified that she participated in travel to California

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to interview multiple potential witnesses and because several out-of-state witnesses

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were resistant or uncooperative, the Las Vegas Police Department obtained

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authorization to ping phone locations to locate these witnesses. And

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she said she coordinated with local and California law enforcement

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to execute an arrest warrant for an uncooperative witness by

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the name of Corey Edwards in Compton. So cross-examination starts

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on her and continued for about 30 minutes. It's centered

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on the chain of investigation and particularly focusing on Mogg's

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role the original investigator and how he didn't take any

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notes or anything. And then basically Gattis is dismissed. There

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wasn't a whole lot of fireworks there with the cross.

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Witness number five is then called. His name was Mark Hatton,

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and he identified himself as a Las Vegas Metro Police

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Department officer who had previously worked as a firearms unit technician.

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And his testimony was centered around the spent cartridge cases

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recovered from the scene at the Tupac Shakur shooting in

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Las Vegas. He stated seven fired cartridge cases were recovered

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from the roadway. He said the cases were head-stamped 40

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S & W, which means they were fired from a.

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40 caliber weapon. And he said they were spent shells

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linked to the shots fired at the BMW carrying Tupac

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Shakur and Suge Knight. And it was interesting that he mentioned, unfortunately,

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at the time of the shooting, the National Integrated Ballistics

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Information Network, known as NIBIN. It's a database, y'all. It

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was not fully built at that time. And this is

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essentially like a DNA database, okay? It's like CODIS. You

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can enter bullets into this database, and it can see

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if there were any other shootings around the country where

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they were fired from that particular gun. But at the time,

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this was brand new. Actually, the system didn't even start

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until 1997, but it was conceptualized back then. So even

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when it started in 1997, you have to build up

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the database. It just doesn't automatically have every bullet in

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the world inside of that database. So he said that

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was really of no use. However, the casings were entered

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in 2003, and he said that search produced no matches

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to any other crime scene or recovered firearm in the

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system at that time. Now, in 2023, as part of

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a renewed investigation, Hatton was tasked with re-examining these same

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seven casings. And I would imagine this was done because

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they knew this trial was about to come and they

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wanted to prepare for it. And they're hoping maybe, remember,

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they've never found this gun. They've never found the gun

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from the shooting. So they're hoping that maybe somewhere this

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gun has all of a sudden appeared. So they had

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him re-examine these. And they had some other technology now

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in 2023 that may be able to locate the gun. However,

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although it could confirm that all seven casings matched each other,

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it could not find any hits from another gun. that

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was in the possession of police anywhere in the country.

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So cross-examination then took over with Hatton. It was very brief.

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He basically went over the same thing he did with

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the prosecution. I do want to circle back quickly and

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let you know about that A witness who a juror

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actually knew, and this came up today during a break

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in the trial. If you'll remember that first witness, Mr. Scott,

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a juror, tells the judge, hey, I know that guy.

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Is this a problem? They pulled him back in the

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chambers during another break. And they said, look, can you

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still be fair and impartial even though you know this guy?

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And he said, yes, he could. That's very common. You

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can still be a juror if you know someone. But

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it could also open up an appeal opportunity in the future.

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And that's the risk that you take. But they did

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not dismiss the juror. And he is still a juror

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in this case. And now we're getting to the witness

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of the day. And that was Robert Ladd. And Ladd

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identified himself as a retired Compton Police Department officer who

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spent the bulk of his career in the gang unit,

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approximately 12 years. And I've seen a lot of interviews

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with this guy. He has been very vocal. since he has,

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I guess, retired. But he was a big-time gang homicide investigator,

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and he worked those streets of Compton, y'all, in the

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early 1980s, all the way to where the Compton Police

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Department was disbanded in 2000. So the bloody years, if

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you will, of Compton. And he gave some very interesting

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testimony about So I'm gonna play just his testimony for

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you now.

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And this is.

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Gonna give you as clear a look as you can

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get of what gang activity was like in Compton in

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the 90s through the eyes of an actual gang unit cop.

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It is very interesting, though it is lengthy, but I'm

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telling you, it's a must hear. So I'm gonna play

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that now because he was the last witness of the day.

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And I will be back tomorrow. Crime Wire Weekly will air.

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So you won't have an episode of the Kifidi trial

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coming your way tomorrow. The next one you will get

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will be Monday. And you're going to get both days

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eight and nine on Monday. But here's that clip. And

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I'll be back next episode. Much love.

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May I please have you state.

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And spell your personal last name for the record? Robert Lashley.

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R-O-B-E-R-T-L-A-D-D. You may proceed, Mr. Paul.

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Thank you, Your Honor. Good afternoon, Mr.

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Ladd. How you doing, sir?

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Sir, can you tell us a little bit about your employment?

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Yes, I'm retired now, but I was a police officer

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for 32 years.

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Where did you start your career?

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I started in 1983 when I was hired by the

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city of Compton.

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And what was your initial position with the city of Compton?

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A patrol officer.

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And then did you change positions at some point?

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Yes, when I was a patrol officer for several years.

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And that really was my beginning introduction into the world

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of the Crips and Bloods because most of the radio

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calls that we got in Compton revolved around gang activity.

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So I got to learn their, you know, the way.

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They dress, their territories, how to read graffiti. And then

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in 1988, I was promoted to the gang unit.

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And for our edification, how big is Compton?

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Compton's a 10-square-mile city. It had a population of 100,000 people.

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And we had 55 active gangs in this little 10-square-mile city. Interesting.

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Is it fair to say that most of the gangs

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were affiliated either with the Crips or Blood or Mob

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and various subsets of those types of groups?

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Yes, it was basically Crips, Pirus, and Hispanic gangs. Mr.

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Palal, you've reminded me that this may be a good

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time to read the Tavares Instruction.

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You're right.

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Ladies and gentlemen, you are going to hear testimony regarding

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drug trafficking, conspiracy, federal convictions, as well as gang affiliations.

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These are not offered to show the defendant's propensity to

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commit crime or any other improper purpose, and you may.

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Not consider it for those purposes.

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It is only offered to establish the credibility of his

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prior statements made by defendant, motive, and identity.

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You may proceed, Mr.

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Paul. Thank you, Your Honor.

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All right, and then tell us a little bit about

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your career in terms of, you said in 1983 you

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you became a patrol officer at your patrol in Compton,

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which had you responding to a lot of gang-related calls.

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Is that correct? That's correct.

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And then you ultimately.

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Go to the gang unit.

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Is that correct?

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Yes.

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And were you assigned a partner?

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Yes, my partner was Tim Brennan.

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And then who was the lieutenant in charge.

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Of the gang unit at the time?

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Lieutenant Reggie Wright Sr.

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During your time as a gang detective, did you have

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did you also respond to a lot of gang activity

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in Compton?

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Yes, when I got into the gang in 1988, Compton

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was a very violent city.

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We were averaging 70 to.

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80 homicides a year and hundreds and hundreds of shootings.

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So my responsibilities now were to investigate all gang-related crimes,

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gather intelligence, and photograph and identify gang members. And I

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also went out on a a daily basis and try

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to contact gang members and talk to them when I

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arrested them. And also, I try to talk to them

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out in the field so I can kind of build

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a rapport with these gang members out there.

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Okay, so, I mean, you'll have to forgive me, but

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when I think of a officer detective rolling through Compton

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and trying to start up a conversation with a gang member,

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it seems weird to me that the gang member would

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want to interact with you at all.

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Like, how did you develop that rapport?

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Well, it doesn't happen overnight. It takes several years. You

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just got to treat them fair, and you have to

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talk to them like you'd want to be talked to.

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And we didn't sweat them on the small stuff. We

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let patrol kind of do that. For instance, if they

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were out there just drinking some beer or smoking some

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marijuana or whatever, we'd come up and we'd talk to

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them and say, man, we're not going to sweat you

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on that stuff. So over time they say, all right,

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this guy's pretty cool.

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We'll talk to him.

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And then your partner, Tim Brennan, he ultimately was given

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a nickname Blondie.

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Is that right?

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Yes.

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DJ Quick wrote an underground song about it, and it

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was called Blondie. So everybody in Compton knew my partner

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was Blondie. He kind of became famous over it.

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Can you tell me a little bit about any type

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of gang training that you've given as somebody who has...

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dealt with LUDs and CRIPs in Compton specifically?

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Yes. It was from 2001 to about 2010 that my

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partner Tim and I, we taught at many national seminars

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right here in Vegas and in California also. And this

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is where thousands of police officers come from all over

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the country as well as around the world to learn

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about the CRIPs and LUDs. And so we taught them

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about that.

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You had mentioned that in a city as small as 100,000 people,

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you would have somewhere between 50 to 60 or more

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homicides a year and then additional hundreds of shootings.

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Can you tell us a little bit.

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About that, about the volume of these types of cases?

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Were they mostly gang-related shootings and homicides?

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Most of them were, yes.

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Okay.

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In 1993, I was promoted to gang homicide detective and

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started handling all the gang homicides, too. I did this

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till the year 2000. And so I spent 12 straight

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years in the gang unit. And during that time, I

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handled hundreds of homicide cases and thousands of shootings. and

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I actually talked to thousands of gang members and I

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got to know really the way they talk, the way

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they think, the way they act, basically their overall mentality

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about gang life in general.

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I want to talk to you a little bit about

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some of the difficulties associated with investigating gang cases. As

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somebody who did hundreds of investigations and homicides and thousands

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of shootings, did gang cases in particular present investigatory problems?

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Absolutely.

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Gang cases, they're the hardest to solve, especially in Compton

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because there's a code out in the street where you're

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not supposed to talk to the police, you're not supposed

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to go to court, or you get labeled a snitch.

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And the other problems that we have is that the

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good citizens that actually see what happened and want to

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come forward, they're afraid to. They get intimidated by these gangsters,

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and so you really... It's really hard. We really don't

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have any witnesses, so we kind of rely on a

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lot of informants to get our information out there in

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the streets.

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And then you mentioned relying on informants, but is it

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fair to say that if somebody wants to, if a

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case needs to be prosecuted or brought to court, somebody

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can't remain a.

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Confidential, reliable informant. They actually have to reveal who they are.

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That's true.

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And as part of your investigating homicides and shootings, was

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that a problem to get people to come forward and

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testify as opposed to giving you information on background?

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Yes, it's very difficult because when they come to court,

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if you can get them to come to court, they

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don't want to get involved. They don't want to say anything,

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so they're not cooperating.

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And you said being labeled a snitch was something that

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was frowned upon. In your training and experience, were there

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any other types of consequences for people who are labeled

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snitches in Compton, Galveston, and the gang life?

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Absolutely.

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These guys take.

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The code very seriously, and if you get labeled a snitch,

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it's probably the worst thing that can happen to you

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as a gang member. You're probably going to have to

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leave the state if you don't want to get severely

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beaten down all the way up to getting murdered. They

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take it very seriously.

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Now, I'm going to ask you now about a gang

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in particular.

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I'm going to ask you about the Southside Compton Crips.

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During your time in Compton, California, were you familiar with

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the Southside Compton Crips?

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Yes, sir.

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And can you tell us a little bit about the

462
00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:27.119
Southside Compton Crips?

463
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:32.990
Yes, the Southside Crips, they're located in the southeast portion

464
00:28:33.009 --> 00:28:37.119
of our city, and they're area, one of our larger gangs,

465
00:28:37.299 --> 00:28:42.579
it's probably a half mile in every direction. There was

466
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:48.640
an excess of 100 documented active gang members at the time.

467
00:28:49.299 --> 00:28:51.319
And they identified themselves by wearing.

468
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:51.839
The color blue.

469
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.119
So when you contacted a Southside Crip member, he's going

470
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.210
to have something blue on him. Blue shoestrings, a blue rag,

471
00:29:01.950 --> 00:29:05.730
anything blue identifies him with being a Crip gang member.

472
00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:09.049
And also the Southside Crip.

473
00:29:08.869 --> 00:29:12.000
Members adopted the Seattle Mariners baseball cap.

474
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.970
It's a blue cap. It had an S on it.

475
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:16.920
And to them, the S.

476
00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:18.299
Stood for Southside Crips.

477
00:29:19.700 --> 00:29:24.240
Now, I want to direct your attention to specifically the mid-' 90s, 1995, 1996.

478
00:29:24.220 --> 00:29:26.500
Were you familiar with somebody by the name of Dwayne Davis?

479
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:26.599
Yes.

480
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.769
Was he somebody that was a high-ranking person in that

481
00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:39.759
gang or a low-ranking person?

482
00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:41.660
In that gang?

483
00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:44.960
Well, as high as you can get, yeah.

484
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:55.880
Now, what are the different levels of gangsters involved? in Southside,

485
00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:58.319
or just general gangs? Are there different levels?

486
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:02.279
Yes, there's definitely a hierarchy within the black gangs in Compton.

487
00:30:03.220 --> 00:30:07.420
There's really three phases that these guys go through. The

488
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:12.920
first phase is the BG, or baby gangster phase. And

489
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.539
this is the time when they're just joining a gang,

490
00:30:15.980 --> 00:30:18.720
and usually, most of the time, not all the time,

491
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:24.079
they get jumped in. And by getting jumped in, you

492
00:30:24.099 --> 00:30:26.319
have to show how tough you are, so it probably

493
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.740
lasts about a minute, maybe two minutes, where five, six,

494
00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:32.319
seven gang members are gonna try to beat this guy up,

495
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.940
and he's gotta fight with them to show how tough

496
00:30:35.980 --> 00:30:38.490
he is, and if he passes, he gets to join

497
00:30:38.509 --> 00:30:43.349
the gang. And these are the ages between 12, 13,

498
00:30:43.349 --> 00:30:48.009
to 15, and 16, and this is the beginning stages,

499
00:30:48.029 --> 00:30:52.329
so they're out there doing low-level crime, such as graffiti,

500
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:57.960
selling drugs for the older gang members, and being lookouts.

501
00:30:59.299 --> 00:31:02.359
And then is there a level above that?

502
00:31:02.779 --> 00:31:06.609
Yeah, the next level we call the gangster phase, and

503
00:31:06.630 --> 00:31:09.630
that's from the ages from 15 to 16 to about

504
00:31:09.630 --> 00:31:14.690
25 or 26. Now this is the stage where these

505
00:31:14.750 --> 00:31:18.589
guys do the most violence. They're the ones out there

506
00:31:18.609 --> 00:31:22.009
that are committing the drive-by shootings and murders and robberies

507
00:31:22.069 --> 00:31:24.809
and carjackings. What they're trying to do is they're trying

508
00:31:24.829 --> 00:31:27.470
to earn their stripes for the gang so they can

509
00:31:27.509 --> 00:31:30.029
get kind of respect within the gang. So this is

510
00:31:30.089 --> 00:31:33.819
the most violent time for these gangsters.

511
00:31:34.539 --> 00:31:36.920
And then is there another level.

512
00:31:36.619 --> 00:31:41.400
In the hierarchy? Yes, the last level is ages 25

513
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:41.599
to 26 on up.

514
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:46.480
And these are the guys that, a lot of them

515
00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:49.920
went to prison during their gangster phase, and a lot

516
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:51.779
of them are getting older now, and they put in

517
00:31:51.819 --> 00:31:54.880
the work. They call it earning their stripes within the gang.

518
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:58.440
They're getting their respect. Now they're the older gangsters. And

519
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.259
these guys become the leaders or shot callers of the gang,

520
00:32:02.019 --> 00:32:07.619
and they tell the younger officers what to do. And, again,

521
00:32:07.779 --> 00:32:12.920
they take this very seriously. They're If the OGs tell

522
00:32:13.220 --> 00:32:17.519
younger gangsters what to do, they.

523
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:18.660
Do it without hesitation.

524
00:32:18.740 --> 00:32:21.160
If they don't, there's going to be severe consequences I've

525
00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:23.880
seen all the way from severe beat-downs all the way

526
00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:24.509
up to murder.

527
00:32:25.829 --> 00:32:32.809
Now, in that hierarchy, so we have baby gangsters, what

528
00:32:32.829 --> 00:32:34.430
was the middle one called, just gangsters?

529
00:32:34.470 --> 00:32:34.750
Gangsters.

530
00:32:35.009 --> 00:32:36.730
Gangsters, and then like OGs.

531
00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:37.589
Yeah.

532
00:32:38.950 --> 00:32:41.670
Did you happen to know in the mid-90s where Dwayne

533
00:32:41.730 --> 00:32:43.769
Davis stood in that hierarchy?

534
00:32:44.630 --> 00:32:46.190
Yes, he was a shot caller.

535
00:32:47.230 --> 00:32:52.319
Your Honor, may we approach? All right, so you're saying

536
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:53.000
that Mr.

537
00:32:53.019 --> 00:32:56.160
Davis was a shot caller within the Southside Compton Cribs?

538
00:32:56.660 --> 00:32:57.420
Absolutely, yes.

539
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:58.519
And what does that mean?

540
00:33:00.579 --> 00:33:04.079
Well, he could tell the younger gangsters what to do,

541
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:06.480
and if they don't listen, like I just said, there's

542
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:11.400
going to be severe consequences. The younger gang members are

543
00:33:11.420 --> 00:33:14.460
supposed to do what they're told without hesitation.

544
00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:20.109
Now, were you aware of whether or not Mr. Davis

545
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:21.569
was a narcotics trafficker?

546
00:33:23.210 --> 00:33:23.529
Yes.

547
00:33:23.950 --> 00:33:31.369
He was definitely a high-level narcotics dealer. Compton, we're a

548
00:33:31.410 --> 00:33:36.049
small city, and we didn't have the manpower or the

549
00:33:36.089 --> 00:33:40.250
resources to go after a major narcotics dealer like Mr. Davis.

550
00:33:41.029 --> 00:33:43.460
But during my time in the gang, we were approached

551
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:49.259
by two different agencies, the FBI task force, really the

552
00:33:49.299 --> 00:33:51.740
DEA and FBI task force, and they would come to

553
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:57.369
us because they wanted information on Mr. Davis' fellow gang

554
00:33:57.410 --> 00:34:00.349
members who he hung around with. And basically they would

555
00:34:00.390 --> 00:34:04.650
tell us that he's trafficking narcotics across the United States

556
00:34:04.670 --> 00:34:05.930
all the way to the East Coast.

557
00:34:06.859 --> 00:34:10.320
Now, I want to talk a little bit more about Mr.

558
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:11.159
Davis.

559
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.070
Would you see him sometimes in Compton?

560
00:34:15.769 --> 00:34:17.889
Yes, many, many times I've seen Mr. Davis.

561
00:34:18.610 --> 00:34:20.349
And can you, do you see him in the courtroom today?

562
00:34:20.630 --> 00:34:21.110
Yes, I do.

563
00:34:21.789 --> 00:34:24.869
Can you please point him out and identify an article

564
00:34:24.909 --> 00:34:25.570
of clothing he's wearing?

565
00:34:25.989 --> 00:34:27.610
Yeah, he's a male, black sitting at the end of

566
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.199
the table wearing what's either gray or black suit.

567
00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:33.960
Your Honor, may the record reflect the identification of the

568
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:34.719
defendant in this case?

569
00:34:34.780 --> 00:34:35.059
It will.

570
00:34:37.210 --> 00:34:38.150
All right, and.

571
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:40.260
Would Mr.

572
00:34:40.340 --> 00:34:45.579
Davis dress in normal gangster attire like you were talking

573
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.139
about before, or would he dress differently?

574
00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:51.360
No, his later years after he became the leader, whenever

575
00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:54.389
I'd see him, he'd be nicely dressed. He'd have the

576
00:34:54.449 --> 00:34:59.070
brim hat on, and he wouldn't have anything gangster-like on.

577
00:34:59.550 --> 00:35:00.750
He was always well-dressed.

578
00:35:00.769 --> 00:35:02.349
Okay.

579
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.579
I'm going to ask you now about somebody by the

580
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.769
name of Orlando Anderson.

581
00:35:07.809 --> 00:35:08.829
Were you familiar with Mr.

582
00:35:08.889 --> 00:35:09.269
Anderson?

583
00:35:09.690 --> 00:35:12.329
Yes, I was very familiar with Mr. Anderson. I had many,

584
00:35:12.369 --> 00:35:14.369
many contacts with him.

585
00:35:15.510 --> 00:35:19.239
Can you tell us how you first became aware of Mr.

586
00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:22.300
Anderson's involvement in gang activity.

587
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:23.280
If such activity existed?

588
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:25.539
Yes, I guess you could say I was there for

589
00:35:25.579 --> 00:35:29.650
his initiation into the gang. My partner Tim Brennan and I,

590
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.630
we We're at a fast food restaurant getting something to eat,

591
00:35:33.670 --> 00:35:39.360
and we're in the drive-thru. And this particular restaurant was

592
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:44.139
right adjacent to Southside Creek Territory. And there's an alley

593
00:35:44.179 --> 00:35:49.250
that runs just adjacent to it. So we got our food,

594
00:35:49.269 --> 00:35:52.769
and we were driving out of the fast food restaurant,

595
00:35:53.329 --> 00:35:55.989
and all of a sudden we heard a barrage of shots.

596
00:35:56.530 --> 00:36:01.059
We could hear them hitting our car. and heard about

597
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:05.159
five or six shots, right? So after the shots stopped,

598
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:07.679
we looked at each other, jumped out of the car,

599
00:36:07.699 --> 00:36:10.059
made sure we were all right, and we ran to

600
00:36:10.099 --> 00:36:14.420
where the shots were coming from. And witnesses were pointing

601
00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:16.659
down the street, and I saw three male blacks running

602
00:36:16.699 --> 00:36:21.369
down towards a known gang hangout. So these guys ran

603
00:36:21.429 --> 00:36:27.170
in there. We called the troops. We subsequently arrested Orlando

604
00:36:27.250 --> 00:36:31.130
Anderson and two other and during their interviews they said

605
00:36:31.269 --> 00:36:34.909
that was part of their initiation. They didn't have to

606
00:36:34.949 --> 00:36:37.349
be jumped in if they tried to kill me and

607
00:36:37.389 --> 00:36:42.389
my partner. So they were automatically in the gang and

608
00:36:42.929 --> 00:36:46.179
Orlando Anderson wasn't the shooter during this incident.

609
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:47.179
Was not.

610
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.139
Was not, yeah.

611
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:55.699
Now, were you familiar, did Orlando Anderson to your knowledge

612
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:57.679
have any relation to Dwayne Davis?

613
00:36:58.690 --> 00:37:06.190
Yes, we found out that Orlando Anderson was Keefe's nephew.

614
00:37:06.289 --> 00:37:06.769
I'm sorry.

615
00:37:06.789 --> 00:37:11.449
That's fine. And Keefe is what Mr. Davis went by?

616
00:37:11.469 --> 00:37:13.570
Yeah, Keefe D.

617
00:37:13.710 --> 00:37:14.510
Yeah, Keefe D.

618
00:37:14.789 --> 00:37:16.809
Is that kind of how you're used to referring to Mr.

619
00:37:16.949 --> 00:37:19.219
Davis? Yeah, it's kind of known by their nicknames, really.

620
00:37:19.530 --> 00:37:19.820
Okay.

621
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.460
And then were you also familiar with somebody by the

622
00:37:22.500 --> 00:37:24.639
name of Terrence Bubble Up Brown?

623
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:27.860
Yes. I had many contacts with Mr.

624
00:37:27.900 --> 00:37:34.239
Brown. He was kind of an older gangster, call him

625
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.559
a wobbler. I still consider him in the gangster phase,

626
00:37:37.940 --> 00:37:39.679
but he kind of was a little older too.

627
00:37:40.739 --> 00:37:44.619
And I guess in the mid-' 90s, what phase or what

628
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:46.780
level would you say Orlando Anderson was?

629
00:37:47.070 --> 00:37:48.389
Definitely gangster phase.

630
00:37:48.690 --> 00:37:52.309
And then did he go by any nicknames that you're

631
00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:53.610
aware of, Orlando Anderson?

632
00:37:54.429 --> 00:37:55.510
Yes, Baby Lank.

633
00:37:56.869 --> 00:38:00.030
And then were you familiar with somebody by the name

634
00:38:00.090 --> 00:38:01.769
of DeAndre Smith?

635
00:38:02.429 --> 00:38:06.690
Yes, DeAndre Smith, many contacts with him. Again, admitted to me,

636
00:38:06.809 --> 00:38:11.030
Southside Crip member. His nickname was Big Dre.

637
00:38:12.070 --> 00:38:13.050
Why was he called Big Dre?

638
00:38:13.070 --> 00:38:14.750
Because he was a big man.

639
00:38:14.789 --> 00:38:18.739
He was like 6'4, probably 300 pounds. He was a

640
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:23.480
big guy.

641
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.219
Were you also familiar with.

642
00:38:26.670 --> 00:38:28.469
Gang called Mob Pirou.

643
00:38:29.210 --> 00:38:29.510
Yes.

644
00:38:29.829 --> 00:38:31.469
Can you tell us about Mob Pirou?

645
00:38:32.429 --> 00:38:34.530
Yes, they're a gang in the city of Compton and

646
00:38:34.550 --> 00:38:39.090
they're located in the northeast portion of our city. Their

647
00:38:39.110 --> 00:38:41.710
gang used to be called the Looters Park Pirou. That

648
00:38:41.730 --> 00:38:47.480
was their territory. In about 1975 or 76, a group

649
00:38:47.539 --> 00:38:50.800
of kids over there wanted to start their own gang

650
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.099
and have their own territory, so they started a Mob Pirou,

651
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.670
which stands for Members of Bloods. Now, their area is

652
00:38:57.730 --> 00:39:01.590
probably a quarter mile in each direction, and there's probably

653
00:39:01.590 --> 00:39:06.940
45 to 50 active gang members in this gang. And

654
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.179
they identify themselves by wearing the color red. And just

655
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:16.119
like the Crips wore anything blue, the Pyrus or Bloods

656
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:17.619
wear everything red.

657
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.889
Now, we're going to talk a little bit about.

658
00:39:23.909 --> 00:39:27.400
the flare-up between Ma Pai Ru and Southside Crips, but

659
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.679
even before any of the music, or any of the

660
00:39:31.989 --> 00:39:36.570
particular 1990s issues that we're here to discuss, would it

661
00:39:36.590 --> 00:39:38.769
be fair to say that Ma Pai Ru and Southside

662
00:39:38.789 --> 00:39:41.170
Crips were natural rivals?

663
00:39:41.949 --> 00:39:42.329
Yes.

664
00:39:42.449 --> 00:39:46.820
The Bleszend Crips never got along since they originated way

665
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.360
back in the early 70s. They're kind of like just

666
00:39:49.420 --> 00:39:52.420
natural enemies because one wears red and one wears blue.

667
00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:00.699
Were you familiar with whether or not Ma Pairu associated

668
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:03.679
with any particular record label in the mid-90s?

669
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:06.079
Yes, Death Row Records.

670
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.340
Do you know who ran Death Row Records at the time?

671
00:40:09.929 --> 00:40:10.750
Yes, Suge Knight.

672
00:40:11.230 --> 00:40:15.409
Were you familiar with Suge Knight prior to his ascension

673
00:40:15.510 --> 00:40:16.329
in Death Row Records?

674
00:40:17.650 --> 00:40:20.650
Yeah, we had contact with him before, but not many,

675
00:40:20.670 --> 00:40:22.190
because he really wasn't a gang member.

676
00:40:22.230 --> 00:40:24.809
He didn't really hang out, but he grew up in

677
00:40:24.849 --> 00:40:25.570
that neighborhood.

678
00:40:25.590 --> 00:40:29.280
I'm going to ask you about some of the people

679
00:40:29.380 --> 00:40:35.599
that you would associate with Mob Piru. Earlier, I think

680
00:40:35.659 --> 00:40:39.539
now it's last week, we met with somebody named James McDonald.

681
00:40:39.619 --> 00:40:40.940
Are you familiar with James McDonald?

682
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:42.340
Yes, very.

683
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.159
Do you recall what his nickname was?

684
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:46.639
Yes, Mob James.

685
00:40:47.329 --> 00:40:52.250
Now, would you go to the McDonald's house in Mob

686
00:40:52.269 --> 00:40:53.130
Piru territory?

687
00:40:54.510 --> 00:40:54.909
Yes.

688
00:40:55.530 --> 00:40:59.119
Mob James' house was kind of like the main hangout

689
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:05.280
for the Mob Piru, Looters Park Piru. He had two

690
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:10.960
younger brothers, Buntree and Timmy Roo, so.

691
00:41:11.590 --> 00:41:14.469
This was the main hangout for the Mob Pyrus, and

692
00:41:14.510 --> 00:41:15.269
we would go there.

693
00:41:15.289 --> 00:41:17.030
If you wanted to find the Mob Pyrus, that's the

694
00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:20.309
first place you'd look. So we had many run-ins at

695
00:41:20.369 --> 00:41:21.769
this Mob James house.

696
00:41:22.750 --> 00:41:24.429
And were you familiar with somebody by the name of

697
00:41:24.769 --> 00:41:25.570
Trayvon Lane?

698
00:41:26.210 --> 00:41:26.469
Yes.

699
00:41:30.230 --> 00:41:37.349
States Exhibit 60. Do you recognize the person depicted in

700
00:41:37.369 --> 00:41:38.929
States Exhibit 60?

701
00:41:38.929 --> 00:41:41.840
Yes, that's Trayvon Lane. His nickname is Tray, and he's

702
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.000
a member of the Mob Pirate.

703
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.099
Are you familiar with somebody by the name of Roger Williams?

704
00:41:48.219 --> 00:41:48.820
Yes, I am.

705
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.159
His nickname is Neckbone, and he's also a member of

706
00:41:52.219 --> 00:41:53.179
the Mob Pirate.

707
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.090
Actually, I think I skipped something with Trayvon Lane. You

708
00:41:56.130 --> 00:41:59.369
had talked about the three levels of being a gangster.

709
00:41:59.429 --> 00:42:01.510
What level would you say Trayvon Lane was in.

710
00:42:01.449 --> 00:42:02.969
The mid-' 90s?

711
00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:03.250
Gangster.

712
00:42:03.750 --> 00:42:05.849
So like the middle, most violent level.

713
00:42:05.989 --> 00:42:06.130
Yes.

714
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:10.530
And then in the mid-' 90s, what level was Roger Williams?

715
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:12.889
Definitely gangster.

716
00:42:12.909 --> 00:42:17.010
In the mid-' 90s, what level was Mob James McDonald?

717
00:42:17.469 --> 00:42:18.889
I would consider him an OG.

718
00:42:19.949 --> 00:42:20.670
And then.

719
00:42:22.190 --> 00:42:25.590
You had mentioned Buntree. Is that Alton McDonald?

720
00:42:25.809 --> 00:42:26.369
Yes, it is.

721
00:42:26.750 --> 00:42:28.909
And in the mid-' 90s, what level would you describe him?

722
00:42:29.170 --> 00:42:29.650
Gangster.

723
00:42:30.510 --> 00:42:34.730
And then are you... Now, in that neighborhood, same neighborhood,

724
00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:35.610
there was.

725
00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:40.250
A person that lived there or grew up there named

726
00:42:40.449 --> 00:42:42.929
Reggie Wright Jr. Is that fair to say?

727
00:42:43.110 --> 00:42:43.309
Yes.

728
00:42:43.670 --> 00:42:45.389
Were you familiar with Reggie Wright Jr.

729
00:42:46.010 --> 00:42:46.630
Very, yes.

730
00:42:46.869 --> 00:42:48.409
And when you say very, how are you familiar with

731
00:42:48.469 --> 00:42:49.159
Reggie Wright Jr.

732
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.619
Well, he used to work at the Compton Police Department,

733
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.980
be a full-time police officer, I think, in around 1988.

734
00:42:54.980 --> 00:42:59.739
He was only there for five years because he got

735
00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:01.039
injured and had to retire.

736
00:43:01.059 --> 00:43:02.969
Now.

737
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.039
I'm going to ask you something, I guess, culturally about

738
00:43:09.099 --> 00:43:13.530
gang life. How important is one's reputation in the gang world?

739
00:43:15.090 --> 00:43:15.469
Very.

740
00:43:16.750 --> 00:43:22.449
These guys live for respect. That's how they live their lives.

741
00:43:23.070 --> 00:43:26.929
And then if somebody felt as though they were disrespected,

742
00:43:27.269 --> 00:43:28.829
what would you expect them to do?

743
00:43:30.530 --> 00:43:34.630
They have to retaliate. If a gang member is disrespected,

744
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.079
they have to retaliate or they're considered a punk out

745
00:43:38.099 --> 00:43:40.119
in the streets. And if you get considered a punk

746
00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:42.539
out in the streets, you kind of lose your respect

747
00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:43.860
and credibility.

748
00:43:44.219 --> 00:43:46.730
And what's the consequence of losing your respect and credibility

749
00:43:46.789 --> 00:43:47.250
in the streets?

750
00:43:48.690 --> 00:43:54.750
Well, I mean, you're going to be nothing in that game, really.

751
00:43:55.769 --> 00:44:00.300
And then we talked about the hundreds of murders that

752
00:44:00.340 --> 00:44:06.030
you've investigated and the thousands of shootings you've investigated. Was retaliation,

753
00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:10.469
in your experience, ever a motive for those shootings or murders?

754
00:44:11.789 --> 00:44:12.110
Yes.

755
00:44:14.530 --> 00:44:19.230
I've investigated like a thousand crimes, and I would say

756
00:44:19.230 --> 00:44:26.340
90% of them are because of disrespect. And so when

757
00:44:26.380 --> 00:44:28.739
you get disrespected as a gang member, you can expect

758
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.159
some sort of retaliation.

759
00:44:31.340 --> 00:44:40.159
Now, you had heard... gathering intelligence about this Lakewood Mall incident.

760
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:40.960
Is that fair to say?

761
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:41.480
Yes.

762
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:42.920
But you weren't there, were you?

763
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:44.239
No.

764
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.460
Just so we're all clear, Lakewood Mall, is that in Compton?

765
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.300
No, it's several miles out of Compton.

766
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:55.260
And so that wouldn't be something for you to investigate?

767
00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:55.800
No.

768
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:03.719
But as a gang expert and a gang investigator....

769
00:45:04.789 --> 00:45:07.719
What, to you, is the significance of somebody trying to

770
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.199
rip off a gang member's chain?

771
00:45:12.139 --> 00:45:16.300
Most definitely disrespect, especially the chain that they were trying

772
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.809
to take at the Lakewood Mall. It was a highly

773
00:45:21.889 --> 00:45:26.889
prized medallion, and these guys wore it like a badge

774
00:45:26.929 --> 00:45:30.349
of honor, so them trying to steal this chain and

775
00:45:31.050 --> 00:45:34.250
beat up on this subject, it would be a major

776
00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:37.320
display of disrespect. So now this guy's got to go

777
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:41.199
back to the Mob Piru and Death Row records and

778
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.099
tell them what happened. So the next time they see

779
00:45:44.139 --> 00:45:46.719
each other, it's going to be on, like on site.

780
00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:49.019
As soon as they see each other, some confrontation is

781
00:45:49.059 --> 00:45:49.679
going to happen.

782
00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:53.389
And you had said that, we're talking about the chain,

783
00:45:53.409 --> 00:45:55.150
we're talking about that Death Row chain, is that right?

784
00:45:55.449 --> 00:45:55.869
Yes.

785
00:45:56.510 --> 00:45:59.989
And you had mentioned that they were wearing it with

786
00:46:00.050 --> 00:46:01.610
great pride. By they, who are you talking about?

787
00:46:02.380 --> 00:46:07.639
The entourage of Suge Knight, that's Trayvon Lane. Well, back

788
00:46:07.739 --> 00:46:10.880
in 95, Suge Knight gave these out as Christmas presents

789
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:18.150
to his entourage, like just, you know, Trayvon, Neckbone, Buntree.

790
00:46:18.170 --> 00:46:21.550
They gave one to Reggie Wright Jr. So not too

791
00:46:21.590 --> 00:46:23.849
many people had them at this time. So it was

792
00:46:23.889 --> 00:46:25.449
a prized possession to these guys.

793
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:32.349
Now, I'm going to take you forward to September 7th

794
00:46:32.630 --> 00:46:39.210
of 1996. You become aware of a shooting that occurs

795
00:46:39.369 --> 00:46:41.150
out here in Las Vegas September 7th, 1996.

796
00:46:41.150 --> 00:46:42.389
Is that correct?

797
00:46:42.610 --> 00:46:42.989
Yes, sir.

798
00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:46.119
How do you become aware of the shooting that occurred

799
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:47.400
here on September 7th, 1996?

800
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.440
Well, I was at home, and I get a call

801
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:54.739
from my boss, who's Reggie Wright Sr., and he tells

802
00:46:54.820 --> 00:46:59.619
me that, hey, Suge Knight and Tupac were just shot,

803
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.260
Tupac's in critical condition, and get ready because it's coming

804
00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:06.090
back to Compton.

805
00:47:07.829 --> 00:47:10.429
He told me that they thought the Southside Crips were

806
00:47:10.469 --> 00:47:11.849
responsible for the shooting.

807
00:47:13.030 --> 00:47:16.989
And so when he's telling you this, do you now

808
00:47:17.050 --> 00:47:19.210
have to have a response to this, or why is

809
00:47:19.230 --> 00:47:21.469
he telling you specifically to get ready?

810
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:29.019
Because when you disrespect a shooter, the biggest rap mogul

811
00:47:29.659 --> 00:47:32.840
on the planet, and the biggest rap star on the planet,

812
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:37.590
and he surrounds himself with Imam Piru, then there's gonna

813
00:47:37.630 --> 00:47:40.090
be some sort of retaliation. And all these guys were

814
00:47:40.130 --> 00:47:43.329
from Compton. So when they got back to Compton, we

815
00:47:43.389 --> 00:47:44.349
expected a war.

816
00:47:45.269 --> 00:47:46.679
And was there a war?

817
00:47:46.940 --> 00:47:48.559
There definitely was a war.

818
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.039
Can you tell us about that?

819
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:56.920
So in the immediate aftermath of the Tupac Shakur shooting,

820
00:47:58.949 --> 00:47:59.969
Did you.

821
00:47:59.949 --> 00:48:01.909
Notice an uptick in violence in Compton?

822
00:48:02.809 --> 00:48:06.440
Yes. Two days after Tupac was shot was our first shooting.

823
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.699
One of the OGs was at a store.

824
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.420
On Alondra Boulevard in Compton, and.

825
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.690
He was shot in the back several times, and a

826
00:48:16.690 --> 00:48:19.429
10-year-old little girl got caught in a crossfire, and she

827
00:48:19.489 --> 00:48:20.070
was hit, and.

828
00:48:20.050 --> 00:48:21.530
She was in critical condition.

829
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.099
And the guy that was shot was a Southside Crip member,

830
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.179
and again, he was a shot caller for the Southside Crips.

831
00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:29.480
His name was Darnell Brim.

832
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.280
And we've heard Darnell Brim's name before here, but was

833
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.119
Darnell Brim part of the same.

834
00:48:39.969 --> 00:48:42.510
Subgroup of the Southside Crips as Wayne Davis?

835
00:48:43.690 --> 00:48:43.969
No.

836
00:48:45.170 --> 00:48:47.570
He was a Southside Crip gang member like they all were,

837
00:48:47.630 --> 00:48:50.210
but there was two factions of it. There was a

838
00:48:50.250 --> 00:48:54.280
group called the Birth Crew, which Mr. Davis ran, and

839
00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:59.599
then there was a Glencoe crew that Darnell Brim ran.

840
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.449
And is it fair to say that at some point

841
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:05.710
there was a conflict between the two groups that caused

842
00:49:05.750 --> 00:49:06.769
the factionalization?

843
00:49:07.289 --> 00:49:10.349
Yes, there used to be one big happy family, but

844
00:49:10.389 --> 00:49:15.250
there was a disagreement over drugs, or some drugs were

845
00:49:15.309 --> 00:49:18.289
stolen from one of the Burr's crew members, and that's

846
00:49:18.309 --> 00:49:21.570
when they split apart. They start fighting with each other,

847
00:49:21.590 --> 00:49:24.210
and they split apart into two different factions.

848
00:49:25.190 --> 00:49:34.829
Now, in your understanding of gang culture, would.

849
00:49:35.900 --> 00:49:39.909
Ma Pairu, if they're seeking defense, retaliation, would they be

850
00:49:39.969 --> 00:49:43.389
discerning about which crew or which part of the Southside

851
00:49:43.409 --> 00:49:45.719
Compton Crips they were shooting at, or would it just

852
00:49:45.739 --> 00:49:47.920
be you find a Southside Crip and then you start shooting?

853
00:49:47.980 --> 00:49:49.239
Yeah, they don't care.

854
00:49:49.780 --> 00:49:53.039
When they go hunting for somebody, they don't care which.

855
00:49:52.940 --> 00:49:56.860
Faction he's from. If he's a Southside Crip member, they're

856
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:57.690
going to go after him.

857
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.280
Now, certainly that wasn't the only shooting that occurred in

858
00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:04.500
the immediate aftermath of the two Boxer Corps shootings, is

859
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:04.920
that correct?

860
00:50:05.420 --> 00:50:06.019
That's correct.

861
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:11.239
We had three murders and ten attempted murder drive-by shootings

862
00:50:11.260 --> 00:50:14.239
that happened within a ten-day period in Compton.

863
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.889
And is that when, and were those shootings going back

864
00:50:19.949 --> 00:50:23.210
and forth related to Ma Pairu and Southside Crips?

865
00:50:24.369 --> 00:50:24.670
Yes.

866
00:50:25.349 --> 00:50:27.969
So, I mean, you had mentioned earlier, there's 53 or

867
00:50:27.969 --> 00:50:30.590
50 plus gangs in this.

868
00:50:30.469 --> 00:50:36.570
Ten square mile radius, but During this particular heightened sense

869
00:50:36.630 --> 00:50:40.289
of violence, what was happening was the shooting back and

870
00:50:40.329 --> 00:50:42.329
forth between Ma Piru and Southside Crips.

871
00:50:43.150 --> 00:50:47.820
Yes, but basically what it told me as a gang investigator,

872
00:50:47.860 --> 00:50:51.079
right after the first shooting of Darnell Brim, to me

873
00:50:51.099 --> 00:50:54.840
there was no doubt in my mind that the Southside

874
00:50:54.860 --> 00:50:59.500
Crips were responsible because the Ma Piru, had to retaliate,

875
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.079
and they had 54 other gangs to choose from, but

876
00:51:02.099 --> 00:51:02.860
they went right.

877
00:51:02.699 --> 00:51:03.980
After the Southside Crips.

878
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.699
So there's no doubt in mind he was responsible for

879
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:08.880
shooting Tupac and Chignot.

880
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:17.710
Now, as a result of this, in October, you and

881
00:51:17.849 --> 00:51:25.150
your partner, Tim Brennan, put together a multi-house search warrant.

882
00:51:25.929 --> 00:51:26.610
That is correct.

883
00:51:26.739 --> 00:51:29.179
And what was the purpose of this search warrant?

884
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.260
Well, we had two purposes, really. One, there was a

885
00:51:32.300 --> 00:51:35.460
war in the city of Compton, and innocent people were

886
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.440
getting shot, as well as gang members. And so we

887
00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:41.280
wanted to put a stop to that. So by hitting

888
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:45.179
houses on both sides, both the Pairus and the Crips,

889
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:49.210
we wanted to quell the violence and try to stop it.

890
00:51:50.139 --> 00:51:52.679
The other reason was we wanted.

891
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.619
To try to help Las Vegas PD with their investigation

892
00:51:56.780 --> 00:51:59.960
of the shooting of Tupac and Suge.

893
00:51:59.980 --> 00:52:04.420
You said you wanted to help the Las Vegas Metropolitan

894
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:09.260
Police Department in their investigation of who shot Tupac and Suge.

895
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:14.159
Can you elaborate more on how you believe this search

896
00:52:14.179 --> 00:52:17.989
warrant might help Metro in its investigation?

897
00:52:19.010 --> 00:52:19.269
Yes.

898
00:52:19.690 --> 00:52:23.929
The way we handle gang-related homicides is When we did

899
00:52:23.969 --> 00:52:27.110
the search warrant, we'd find a reason, hopefully, to arrest them.

900
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:29.530
We'd find guns or narcotics.

901
00:52:29.110 --> 00:52:30.639
In their house, and then we'd bring them down to

902
00:52:30.699 --> 00:52:33.539
the station. So you would have all the players that

903
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.659
were involved, like, that we heard about that was involved

904
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:41.559
in the shooting of Tupac Shakur. So we rounded them

905
00:52:41.900 --> 00:52:46.989
all up, and hopefully Las Vegas PD would come down

906
00:52:47.070 --> 00:52:49.750
and try to interview them, try to get one of

907
00:52:49.769 --> 00:52:52.920
them to cop out or... try to put him in

908
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.280
Las Vegas. Whatever they want to do on their investigation

909
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:58.190
of the murder, we rounded up all the people for them.

910
00:52:58.250 --> 00:52:59.050
So that's how.

911
00:52:58.969 --> 00:52:59.469
We helped them.

912
00:52:59.909 --> 00:53:01.630
So the search war is sort of two-purpose. You have

913
00:53:01.670 --> 00:53:06.230
an active war going on, and you're trying to slow

914
00:53:06.250 --> 00:53:09.030
the violence in Compton, but you're also thinking, well, maybe

915
00:53:09.070 --> 00:53:11.849
we can get some of the folks who we think

916
00:53:11.909 --> 00:53:14.889
might be involved in the Tupac shooting to start talking

917
00:53:14.949 --> 00:53:15.230
as well.

918
00:53:15.769 --> 00:53:16.670
Correct. And....

919
00:53:18.869 --> 00:53:22.530
Did Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department send detectives.

920
00:53:22.210 --> 00:53:24.909
Out here for that purpose, or out there for that purpose?

921
00:53:24.969 --> 00:53:26.329
Yes, they sent two detectives.

922
00:53:27.329 --> 00:53:30.739
Now, with regards to the search warrant itself, were a

923
00:53:30.780 --> 00:53:32.260
number of firearms recovered as well?

924
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:33.300
Yes.

925
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:37.739
And was part of the goal that maybe not only

926
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:39.880
just take the guns off the street.

927
00:53:39.659 --> 00:53:42.539
For the Compton War, but was there a hope that

928
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.980
maybe the firearm for the Tupac Shakur murder.

929
00:53:45.780 --> 00:53:46.639
Might be recovered as well?

930
00:53:47.110 --> 00:53:48.090
That's correct also.

931
00:53:48.260 --> 00:53:50.070
It's fair to say that that did not happen.

932
00:53:50.090 --> 00:53:51.130
That's correct.

933
00:53:51.809 --> 00:53:55.389
I'm actually going to approach with states proposed exhibit number 161.

934
00:53:55.389 --> 00:53:55.769
Okay.

935
00:54:10.269 --> 00:54:12.809
I'm showing you what's proposed states exhibit number 161.

936
00:54:12.809 --> 00:54:15.929
I've got to get my glasses on. No problem.

937
00:54:25.409 --> 00:54:30.510
Do you recognize what state's proposed exhibit 161 is?

938
00:54:31.429 --> 00:54:32.510
Yes, it's a search warrant.

939
00:54:33.070 --> 00:54:34.909
And can you open it up and throw it? Do

940
00:54:34.929 --> 00:54:36.150
you recognize the search warrant?

941
00:54:37.329 --> 00:54:38.090
Yes, I do.

942
00:54:38.110 --> 00:54:41.550
It was a search warrant that we prepared, well, Tim

943
00:54:42.110 --> 00:54:45.079
wrote after the Tupac shooting.

944
00:54:45.489 --> 00:54:49.610
And did you assist him in the investigation that led

945
00:54:49.650 --> 00:54:50.449
up to the search warrant?

946
00:54:50.789 --> 00:54:51.090
Yes.

947
00:54:51.309 --> 00:54:53.329
And did you assist him in giving him the information

948
00:54:53.349 --> 00:54:55.389
in order to get the probable cause?

949
00:54:55.949 --> 00:54:56.690
Definitely, yes.

950
00:54:56.889 --> 00:55:02.550
And then did you also assist in executing that search warrant?

951
00:55:02.610 --> 00:55:03.090
Yes.

952
00:55:03.369 --> 00:55:11.300
Any objection, Mr. Smith? So admitted. Now, there's been some

953
00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:17.130
allegation that the Compton Police Department was only focused on

954
00:55:17.170 --> 00:55:20.329
the Southside Crips when it came to trying to stop

955
00:55:20.389 --> 00:55:22.829
this war and stop this violence. Is it fair to

956
00:55:22.909 --> 00:55:26.130
say that among the houses that.

957
00:55:26.010 --> 00:55:29.690
Were searched included a large number of Ma Pai Ru

958
00:55:29.710 --> 00:55:31.489
houses along with Southside Crips houses?

959
00:55:31.789 --> 00:55:35.110
Yes, definitely. We hit many houses on both sides.

960
00:55:36.139 --> 00:55:37.940
And is it fair to say that is a total

961
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:43.059
of 38 residences that were looked into?

962
00:55:43.469 --> 00:55:43.710
Yes.

963
00:55:45.889 --> 00:55:49.670
And to include members of Mount Pineroo.

964
00:55:49.289 --> 00:55:50.329
And South San Joaquin Crips.

965
00:55:50.670 --> 00:55:50.929
Yes.

966
00:55:52.349 --> 00:55:52.630
Now, do.

967
00:55:56.929 --> 00:56:01.739
You wish to approach her? No. I'm going to show

968
00:56:01.780 --> 00:56:04.269
you what's been previously marked as States Exhibits 162 and 163.

969
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:06.039
Do you recognize what these are?

970
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:07.860
Yes. What are they?

971
00:56:13.949 --> 00:56:18.500
These are evidence that we collected at the scene.

972
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:20.019
Okay.

973
00:56:20.179 --> 00:56:23.960
And without going into the addresses, is it fair to

974
00:56:23.980 --> 00:56:27.719
say that these were evidence that were collected from Dwayne

975
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:29.500
Davis' house and Dwayne Davis.

976
00:56:29.539 --> 00:56:30.159
Family's house?

977
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:31.440
Yes. Okay.

978
00:56:32.219 --> 00:56:34.880
Now I'm going to move State's Exhibits 162.

979
00:56:34.780 --> 00:56:35.460
And 163's evidence.

980
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:37.059
Any objection? No objection.

981
00:56:37.099 --> 00:56:37.460
So admitted.

982
00:56:51.219 --> 00:56:54.809
Okay, I'm going to first turn your attention to States

983
00:56:54.849 --> 00:56:55.230
Exhibit 162.

984
00:56:55.210 --> 00:56:56.670
Yeah, you just want.

985
00:56:56.429 --> 00:57:02.500
Me to avoid the address, don't worry.

986
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.059
We have to avoid the address, so maybe take it

987
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:05.349
off me.

988
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:10.119
Jessica, maybe take it off me while it comes up

989
00:57:10.989 --> 00:57:12.369
so we can avoid the address itself.

990
00:57:24.190 --> 00:57:24.710
Page, please?

991
00:57:27.750 --> 00:57:31.909
Actually, no, I'm sorry. Can you do the second page first?

992
00:57:31.929 --> 00:57:41.539
Okay. Yes.

993
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:45.820
Okay, so this is the.

994
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.800
The first address we're going to talk about here, and again,

995
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:52.619
we're not going to go into what the actual address is,

996
00:57:52.699 --> 00:57:55.989
but do you recognize the people that are listed that

997
00:57:56.030 --> 00:57:57.150
were located at the address?

998
00:58:03.269 --> 00:58:03.530
Yes.

999
00:58:04.610 --> 00:58:08.889
And fair to say they were members of Mr. Davis' family?

1000
00:58:09.070 --> 00:58:09.309
Yes.

1001
00:58:10.949 --> 00:58:16.190
Now I'm going to turn your attention to the next page.

1002
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:27.980
And under line number five, do you see what's listed there.

1003
00:58:27.980 --> 00:58:28.860
As the receipt?

1004
00:58:30.050 --> 00:58:30.289
Yes.

1005
00:58:30.730 --> 00:58:34.369
And line number five is one hotel's receipt. Is that correct? Yes.

1006
00:58:34.849 --> 00:58:38.150
And then line number six is one Compton Municipal Court subpoena.

1007
00:58:38.269 --> 00:58:38.809
Is that correct?

1008
00:58:39.130 --> 00:58:39.309
Yes.

1009
00:58:49.869 --> 00:58:51.739
Then I'm going to show you States Exhibits 163, if

1010
00:58:51.780 --> 00:58:52.920
we can take it off us.

1011
00:58:55.409 --> 00:58:55.739
For a second.

1012
00:59:00.090 --> 00:59:01.489
Can you take it off us for a second?

1013
00:59:25.510 --> 00:59:27.469
Give me half a second here.

1014
00:59:30.059 --> 00:59:32.739
Sorry, can we approach? I think you just have to

1015
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:33.449
show it to him, Mr.

1016
00:59:33.570 --> 00:59:33.840
Paul.

1017
00:59:33.860 --> 00:59:35.219
I don't think we can put it up.

1018
00:59:35.429 --> 00:59:35.619
Okay.

1019
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:36.590
This is what it says.

1020
00:59:36.610 --> 00:59:49.829
So I'm showing you page three of States Exhibit 163.

1021
00:59:49.829 --> 00:59:54.090
Can you tell us what this document actually is?

1022
00:59:55.929 --> 00:59:57.849
Yeah, it's a receipt for property taken.

1023
00:59:58.590 --> 01:00:03.320
And then It actually mentions who is taking some of

1024
01:00:03.340 --> 01:00:04.389
the property here, doesn't it?

1025
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:05.159
Yes.

1026
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:05.949
And who's that?

1027
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:06.760
Myself.

1028
01:00:07.849 --> 01:00:11.730
And then one is a letter from the Excalibur Casino.

1029
01:00:11.769 --> 01:00:12.869
Is that correct? Yes.

1030
01:00:13.369 --> 01:00:16.929
And then the other is an envelope addressed to Orlando Anderson,

1031
01:00:16.949 --> 01:00:20.840
is that correct? Yes. And then the third is miscellaneous

1032
01:00:20.900 --> 01:00:23.679
bills addressed to Orlando Anderson as well, is that correct?

1033
01:00:23.699 --> 01:00:35.179
Yes. Yes. And all these three items were collected by you.

1034
01:00:35.219 --> 01:00:36.039
Is that fair to say?

1035
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:36.679
Yes.

1036
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:48.239
So from Mr. Davis' home, and we'll start with 163,

1037
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:49.610
we have from Mr.

1038
01:00:49.710 --> 01:00:54.070
Anderson's home, we have a receipt from the Excalibur.

1039
01:00:54.090 --> 01:00:54.750
Is that correct?

1040
01:00:54.769 --> 01:00:55.010
Yes.

1041
01:00:55.690 --> 01:00:59.050
And then from, and is part of the reason why

1042
01:00:59.070 --> 01:01:02.489
you're collecting that receipt is because it's relevant to the

1043
01:01:02.530 --> 01:01:04.250
investigation as to who shot Mr.

1044
01:01:04.289 --> 01:01:04.670
Shakur.

1045
01:01:05.530 --> 01:01:08.329
Yes, we thought it might be significant that it showed

1046
01:01:08.349 --> 01:01:10.670
that Mr. Davis was in Las Vegas at the time

1047
01:01:10.710 --> 01:01:11.269
of the shooting.

1048
01:01:11.570 --> 01:01:13.659
I guess this one is Mr. Anderson, correct? Yeah.

1049
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:22.699
And then from Mr. Davis' house, there's also a receipt,

1050
01:01:23.860 --> 01:01:27.360
a hotel receipt that was collected. Is that fair? Yes.

1051
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:55.099
I'm going to show you space 160. We're not going

1052
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:58.550
to talk about the addresses specifically, but the two addresses

1053
01:01:58.570 --> 01:01:59.909
attributed to Mr.

1054
01:01:59.969 --> 01:02:00.630
Anderson and Mr.

1055
01:02:00.670 --> 01:02:05.429
Davis, one is at the top and then one is

1056
01:02:05.469 --> 01:02:07.289
at the bottom with a red dot. Is that correct?

1057
01:02:07.329 --> 01:02:07.570
Yes.

1058
01:02:07.829 --> 01:02:09.670
It's fair to say that they are very close to

1059
01:02:09.710 --> 01:02:10.070
each other.

1060
01:02:10.269 --> 01:02:10.530
Yes.

1061
01:02:14.099 --> 01:02:15.239
I'm going to move 160 to evidence.

1062
01:02:17.449 --> 01:02:26.280
Any objection? No objection.

1063
01:02:27.110 --> 01:02:27.510
So, Mr.

1064
01:02:27.590 --> 01:02:30.480
Anderson, was he one of the people that was caught

1065
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:34.519
up during the search warrant, this 38-house search warrant?

1066
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:35.300
Yes.

1067
01:02:36.099 --> 01:02:42.219
And was Mr. Davis around during the 38-house search warrant?

1068
01:02:42.659 --> 01:02:43.690
No, we couldn't locate him.

1069
01:02:44.179 --> 01:02:46.280
So, you were able to locate Mr. Anderson, but Mr.

1070
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.190
Davis was just not around.

1071
01:02:48.210 --> 01:02:48.570
Correct.

1072
01:02:49.070 --> 01:02:50.639
And you don't know why or how that is.

1073
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:51.219
That's correct.

1074
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:55.320
But with regards to Mr. Anderson, it's fair to say Mr.

1075
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:57.619
Anderson at that point is a person of interest at

1076
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:00.530
least in the shooting of Mr.

1077
01:03:00.949 --> 01:03:02.710
Shakur. Definitely, yes.

1078
01:03:03.070 --> 01:03:04.809
And then at that point, do you.

1079
01:03:04.670 --> 01:03:11.829
Make him available for questioning with Detective Becker from LVMPD?

1080
01:03:12.250 --> 01:03:12.449
Yes.

1081
01:03:13.070 --> 01:03:17.820
And does Mr. Becker make an attempt to question Mr.

1082
01:03:17.860 --> 01:03:18.260
Anderson?

1083
01:03:18.420 --> 01:03:18.639
Yes.

1084
01:03:19.179 --> 01:03:25.420
And did any useful or relevant information come out during

1085
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:26.699
the course of that questioning?

1086
01:03:27.260 --> 01:03:28.239
Not that I was aware of.

1087
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:35.980
Now, let's fast forward a little bit. You are aware

1088
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.630
that six months later, Christopher Wallace, also known as the

1089
01:03:39.769 --> 01:03:43.280
notorious B.I.G., also known as Vicky Smolsky, He was killed

1090
01:03:43.510 --> 01:03:45.519
in Los Angeles. Is that correct?

1091
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:45.880
Yes.

1092
01:03:46.179 --> 01:03:48.679
Now, was that in the Compton area?

1093
01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:50.019
No.

1094
01:03:50.659 --> 01:03:54.650
So were you responsible for the investigation into Christopher Voss?

1095
01:03:54.789 --> 01:03:55.010
No.

1096
01:03:56.269 --> 01:04:02.150
But did you end up assisting the LAPD in trying to...

1097
01:04:02.650 --> 01:04:05.929
execute search warrants in an attempt to gather information on

1098
01:04:05.949 --> 01:04:07.550
the murder of Christopher Wallace.

1099
01:04:07.849 --> 01:04:08.090
Yes.

1100
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:12.440
Why were you the person, or you and Mr. Brennan

1101
01:04:12.460 --> 01:04:15.719
the person, that LAPD would ask for assistance?

1102
01:04:16.659 --> 01:04:20.739
Because we knew who all the players were, and we

1103
01:04:20.780 --> 01:04:22.840
told them at the time that they had a little

1104
01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:26.840
internal feud going with each other, and we were getting ready.

1105
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:28.139
To do search warrants on them.

1106
01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:31.800
So you were getting ready to... they were having an

1107
01:04:31.860 --> 01:04:35.559
internal feud. Is it fair to say that the 1997

1108
01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:38.519
search warrant served a dual purpose in a similar way

1109
01:04:38.539 --> 01:04:40.480
that the 1996.

1110
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:40.639
Search warrant served?

1111
01:04:41.139 --> 01:04:44.880
Yes. So, like, in 1996, you have a war between

1112
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:48.780
Ma Pairu and Southside Crips, and you're also trying to

1113
01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:50.619
see if you can get any information related to the

1114
01:04:50.659 --> 01:04:52.199
Tupac Shakur murder. Is that fair?

1115
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:52.480
Correct.

1116
01:04:52.980 --> 01:04:56.539
And then in 1997, you had mentioned that there was

1117
01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:59.260
an internal feud that had gotten violent. Is it fair

1118
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:03.269
to say that the Burris Street Crew and the Glencoe

1119
01:05:03.329 --> 01:05:07.530
Street Crew on the Southside Compton Crips, that they had

1120
01:05:07.829 --> 01:05:10.510
started engaging their own violent view.

1121
01:05:11.489 --> 01:05:12.429
Yes, definitely.

1122
01:05:13.019 --> 01:05:16.059
And as a result, and at the same time, there

1123
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:19.179
was some question as to whether or not members of

1124
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.539
the Southside Crips may be involved in the murder of

1125
01:05:21.579 --> 01:05:22.179
Christopher Watts.

1126
01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:22.960
Correct.

1127
01:05:23.380 --> 01:05:28.530
And so were those two goals, or those two functions,

1128
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.639
part of the reason or the basis for executing such forms.

1129
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:32.679
Yes.

1130
01:05:34.340 --> 01:05:41.630
Now, I'm going to show you what's been previously admitted

1131
01:05:41.670 --> 01:05:45.130
as States Exhibit 136.

1132
01:05:49.409 --> 01:05:51.710
Do you recognize States Exhibit 136?

1133
01:05:51.710 --> 01:05:52.030
Yes.

1134
01:05:52.409 --> 01:05:55.610
This is a cert point we did on.

1135
01:05:56.389 --> 01:05:58.530
And we're not going to talk about addresses by agreement,

1136
01:05:58.570 --> 01:06:02.659
but It's a search you did on a different house

1137
01:06:02.980 --> 01:06:07.989
from the houses that you did in 1996. Is that correct?

1138
01:06:08.050 --> 01:06:08.230
Yes.

1139
01:06:08.510 --> 01:06:11.829
And this is a different residence that was associated with Mr.

1140
01:06:11.909 --> 01:06:13.469
Davis. Is that fair? Yes.

1141
01:06:28.650 --> 01:06:29.269
Page 4, 136.

1142
01:06:29.269 --> 01:06:32.780
It's not actually 136, but it is.

1143
01:06:32.820 --> 01:06:33.840
Just give.

1144
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:42.159
Me a second. Of course, it's about this genre.

1145
01:06:42.179 --> 01:06:49.110
We're just pulling that out. Sure.

1146
01:06:53.349 --> 01:06:54.309
Jessica, you can put it on me.

1147
01:06:58.570 --> 01:06:59.269
And Mr.

1148
01:06:59.309 --> 01:07:03.809
DiGiacomo, do you mind zooming in a little bit?

1149
01:07:03.869 --> 01:07:12.340
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to make the

1150
01:07:12.380 --> 01:07:18.840
zoom work on this. The zoom tool's not working.

1151
01:07:18.860 --> 01:07:18.960
Mr.

1152
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:21.340
Lab, we're going to do this the old-fashioned way. It's

1153
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:23.380
going to be up there, but I want to show

1154
01:07:23.420 --> 01:07:24.030
you page 4 of 136.

1155
01:07:24.019 --> 01:07:28.760
It's still up there on the screen as well.

1156
01:07:29.059 --> 01:07:32.480
On page four, we have another receipt of property taken.

1157
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:33.039
Is that right?

1158
01:07:33.300 --> 01:07:33.539
Yes.

1159
01:07:34.099 --> 01:07:37.159
And on line four, what do we have?

1160
01:07:38.820 --> 01:07:44.519
Let's see. A money due bill for the Monte Carlo Casino.

1161
01:07:45.909 --> 01:07:49.050
Now, in relation to this search warrant as well as

1162
01:07:49.219 --> 01:07:52.210
the other search warrant, really, you can only take property

1163
01:07:52.230 --> 01:07:55.349
that would be related to the investigation, correct?

1164
01:07:55.449 --> 01:07:55.690
Correct.

1165
01:07:56.050 --> 01:07:59.329
So, like, if I couldn't take just any random property

1166
01:07:59.369 --> 01:08:01.389
just because I have a search warrant, can I? No.

1167
01:08:01.659 --> 01:08:04.139
You have to take things that are related to the

1168
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:05.019
actual search warrant.

1169
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:05.719
Correct.

1170
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:10.280
Now, I am going to ask you, did you spend,

1171
01:08:10.300 --> 01:08:15.829
you said you had worked at Compton until about, how long, actually,

1172
01:08:16.170 --> 01:08:18.710
let me rephrase. How long did you work at the

1173
01:08:18.729 --> 01:08:19.750
city of Compton for?

1174
01:08:20.590 --> 01:08:21.909
From 1983 to 2001. I'm sorry, 2000.

1175
01:08:21.909 --> 01:08:22.109
Okay.

1176
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.819
Is it fair to say that at some point the

1177
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.840
Compton Police Department got swallowed.

1178
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:34.739
Up by the L.A. Sheriff's Office?

1179
01:08:35.590 --> 01:08:38.970
Yes.

1180
01:08:40.130 --> 01:08:42.829
Did you sign on to the L.A. Sheriff's Office after that? Yes.

1181
01:08:43.489 --> 01:08:46.550
Do you recall approximately how many of the Compton police

1182
01:08:46.569 --> 01:08:52.710
officers stayed with the L.A. Sheriff's Office? Oh, go ahead.

1183
01:08:53.489 --> 01:08:54.689
I don't want it to be like yesterday where we

1184
01:08:54.710 --> 01:08:58.649
keep lining up with each other. Do you recall how

1185
01:08:58.710 --> 01:09:03.119
many of the Compton police officers were hired on by

1186
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:07.220
the L.A. Sheriff's Office when L.A. Sheriff's Office took.

1187
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.720
Over Compton Police Department? Yeah.

1188
01:09:10.659 --> 01:09:12.340
I'm not sure of the exact number. I think there

1189
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.619
was like 103 of us, and I think all but

1190
01:09:15.739 --> 01:09:18.869
two were hired by the Sheriff's Department.

1191
01:09:23.609 --> 01:09:26.970
Now, you ultimately left the L.A. Sheriff's Office, is that correct?

1192
01:09:27.149 --> 01:09:27.329
Yes.

1193
01:09:27.729 --> 01:09:29.449
And then where did you go to work after that?

1194
01:09:30.569 --> 01:09:34.680
I laddered over to Agency Garden Grove PD in Orange County.

1195
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:38.800
Probably a little bit safer than the Compton Police Department.

1196
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.140
You could say that, yes. It was still a busy city,

1197
01:09:42.180 --> 01:09:44.340
but it wasn't nothing like Compton.

1198
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.100
And then during that time period is when you started

1199
01:09:47.979 --> 01:09:49.199
giving talks.

1200
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:49.800
With the detective.

1201
01:09:50.699 --> 01:09:55.520
Brennan regarding your experience working, uh, blooding crip gangs and comptainers.

1202
01:09:55.779 --> 01:09:56.000
Yeah.

1203
01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:02.939
Um, is it, uh, fair to say that, uh, Detective Brennan.

1204
01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:05.329
Is no longer with us? Yes, he passed away of

1205
01:10:05.369 --> 01:10:06.770
cancer several years ago.

1206
01:10:06.789 --> 01:10:14.609
Oh, yeah.

1207
01:10:14.649 --> 01:10:18.229
You know, I had forgotten about one of the, um,

1208
01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:24.430
one of the shootings I wanted to talk to you

1209
01:10:24.470 --> 01:10:29.529
about during the war that escalated immediately after the shooting

1210
01:10:29.789 --> 01:10:32.090
of Tupac Shakur. So I'm going back a little bit.

1211
01:10:32.170 --> 01:10:36.729
I apologize for that. One of the people that was

1212
01:10:36.850 --> 01:10:39.369
shot was a man by the name of Bobby Fitch.

1213
01:10:39.550 --> 01:10:40.149
Is that correct?

1214
01:10:40.189 --> 01:10:41.149
Yes.

1215
01:10:42.149 --> 01:10:45.460
Bobby Fitch was actually killed on September 11th. Is that fair?

1216
01:10:45.699 --> 01:10:45.920
Yes.

1217
01:10:47.619 --> 01:10:52.289
Did Where did Bobby Finch live in relation to Corey Edwards?

1218
01:10:52.390 --> 01:10:52.890
Next door.

1219
01:10:57.109 --> 01:10:58.350
Was Bobby Finch a gang member?

1220
01:10:58.569 --> 01:10:58.750
No.

1221
01:10:59.829 --> 01:11:01.470
Was Corey Edwards a gang member?

1222
01:11:01.510 --> 01:11:01.729
Yes.

1223
01:11:01.949 --> 01:11:03.090
And what gang did he belong to?

1224
01:11:03.109 --> 01:11:04.130
Southside Cribs.

1225
01:11:10.850 --> 01:11:12.770
And do Bobby Finch and Corey Edwards look alike?

1226
01:11:13.310 --> 01:11:13.949
Yes, they do.

1227
01:11:16.140 --> 01:11:16.840
Steele, pass the line, please.

1228
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:19.430
All right, we're on cross, so whenever you're ready, Mr.

1229
01:11:19.470 --> 01:11:25.149
Stamp, you may proceed.

1230
01:11:27.930 --> 01:11:29.029
Thank you.

1231
01:11:37.229 --> 01:11:40.529
Now, during your time in Compton, it seems like it

1232
01:11:40.569 --> 01:11:43.920
was a pretty colorful time where you were there. Very active, yes.

1233
01:11:45.060 --> 01:11:48.609
There's a movie called, I think, End of Watch. Have

1234
01:11:48.630 --> 01:11:50.189
you ever watched that movie? No.

1235
01:11:50.850 --> 01:11:51.170
Okay.

1236
01:11:52.390 --> 01:11:54.510
Have you ever watched any movies at all from that

1237
01:11:54.569 --> 01:11:57.069
time period? Like, say, I don't know what there was

1238
01:11:57.130 --> 01:12:02.819
out there. Any of the LAPD movies during that time period?

1239
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:03.779
Have you ever watched any of those?

1240
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.199
You have to be more specific.

1241
01:12:06.340 --> 01:12:08.260
I know. And I'm trying to figure out there's another

1242
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:10.600
one out there besides End of Watch.

1243
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:12.859
But you.

1244
01:12:14.149 --> 01:12:18.810
You share, basically, your experience working as a Compton police

1245
01:12:18.930 --> 01:12:21.350
officer to the time you started working as a detective

1246
01:12:21.409 --> 01:12:24.859
for gangs in a book that you wrote. Yes. And

1247
01:12:24.899 --> 01:12:27.720
that book is called and entitled Once Upon a Time

1248
01:12:27.739 --> 01:12:30.720
in Compton, right? Yes. Okay. Now, you do write this

1249
01:12:30.779 --> 01:12:35.350
book in addition to Timothy Brennan, your partner. Yes. Now,

1250
01:12:36.890 --> 01:12:39.189
in the book, you know, I've read the book, and

1251
01:12:39.949 --> 01:12:42.050
when you guys are working together as a team, it's...

1252
01:12:43.409 --> 01:12:46.100
It's Tim and Bob, right, in the book. You guys,

1253
01:12:46.229 --> 01:12:47.979
Tim and Bob, we did this. Tim and Bob, we

1254
01:12:47.989 --> 01:12:51.380
did that, right? Yes. Now, the book itself, as you

1255
01:12:51.420 --> 01:12:53.659
created the book, fair to say that that was a

1256
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:57.720
book that I would think that you would be proud of,

1257
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.840
the work that you put into the book. Yes. And

1258
01:13:02.619 --> 01:13:05.300
in terms of the book itself, you could sit here

1259
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:08.300
basically as you're talking with us and this jury today,

1260
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.039
that the book is accurate in terms of what you

1261
01:13:11.100 --> 01:13:14.640
recall during the time, right? Yes. and you would have

1262
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.359
taken great pains to make sure that that book was

1263
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:18.579
accurate before it was published.

1264
01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:20.260
Yes.

1265
01:13:20.739 --> 01:13:22.810
Meaning, for instance, if you read something in the book

1266
01:13:22.829 --> 01:13:25.649
that wasn't accurate, and it wasn't published yet, you would

1267
01:13:25.670 --> 01:13:29.510
make a note to either tell Tim or this other lady,

1268
01:13:29.609 --> 01:13:32.170
I think her name is Lolita, that, hey, this isn't

1269
01:13:32.189 --> 01:13:34.229
quite right, I don't remember that, and there would be

1270
01:13:34.270 --> 01:13:36.939
some discussion, maybe changing or something, right? Yes. Okay.

1271
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:39.520
And in order for you to.

1272
01:13:39.460 --> 01:13:41.479
Write the book, and I think you published this book.

1273
01:13:44.210 --> 01:13:49.159
In 2017? Correct. That was, and you started working for

1274
01:13:49.220 --> 01:13:51.899
Compton in what year?

1275
01:13:51.899 --> 01:13:52.859
1983.

1276
01:13:52.859 --> 01:13:54.859
So, and you start off in the book from 1983

1277
01:13:54.859 --> 01:13:58.140
on in terms of your experience working as a police

1278
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:00.659
officer in Compton as well as Tim's experience working as

1279
01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.689
a police officer in Compton, right? Yes. Did you, I

1280
01:14:04.210 --> 01:14:06.609
would imagine you would have used notes and.

1281
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:10.600
That kind of thing to help refresh your recollection and

1282
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.600
help remind you of certain events, certain cases, that kind

1283
01:14:13.619 --> 01:14:17.909
of thing. Yes. Yeah, because in the book, for instance,

1284
01:14:17.930 --> 01:14:20.329
there's a lot of different people you run into. There's

1285
01:14:20.350 --> 01:14:22.489
a lot of different scenarios you run into as well, right?

1286
01:14:22.930 --> 01:14:23.270
Yes.

1287
01:14:23.470 --> 01:14:27.729
Most of it was based off our memories, but for

1288
01:14:27.890 --> 01:14:30.069
the search warrant or whatever, we can go back to

1289
01:14:30.090 --> 01:14:33.640
the search warrant and look at that to refresh our memories.

1290
01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:38.659
But most of the story was just... from my memory. Yeah, and, um,

1291
01:14:39.250 --> 01:14:41.289
fair to say, of course, it's also Tim's memory as well.

1292
01:14:41.489 --> 01:14:43.829
So something that you wouldn't remember, he wouldn't remember, and

1293
01:14:43.869 --> 01:14:46.149
vice versa, and you go, oh, yeah, I remember this now,

1294
01:14:46.189 --> 01:14:48.710
and you would say, oh, yeah, I remember that now, right? Yes.

1295
01:14:49.149 --> 01:14:52.569
So part of the book, in essence, really is a, uh,

1296
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:55.859
it's a, it's a team, though, between you and Tim, uh,

1297
01:14:56.060 --> 01:14:57.720
and Lolita writing the book for you.

1298
01:14:58.119 --> 01:14:59.140
It's a collaboration.

1299
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.159
Collaboration, okay. Now, did you write any of the book yourself?

1300
01:15:03.859 --> 01:15:10.079
Um, I wrote, basically we got Lolita Files to write

1301
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:12.060
the book and we told the story to her.

1302
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:13.279
Right.

1303
01:15:13.340 --> 01:15:16.340
She actually wrote it, but it's our story.

1304
01:15:16.779 --> 01:15:20.479
Right. And Lolita meaning that this was an experienced writer

1305
01:15:20.500 --> 01:15:25.050
that you recall, right, before she wrote the book? Absolutely.

1306
01:15:25.890 --> 01:15:28.270
And when she wrote the book, can you tell us

1307
01:15:28.289 --> 01:15:30.350
a little bit about Lolita, who she was as.

1308
01:15:32.189 --> 01:15:32.449
A writer?

1309
01:15:32.470 --> 01:15:32.590
Sure.

1310
01:15:33.390 --> 01:15:37.369
Yeah, she had several books that were published prior to that,

1311
01:15:37.890 --> 01:15:41.590
and she was very up on the hip-hop scene. So

1312
01:15:41.810 --> 01:15:45.699
when we got together, we kind of just clicked, and

1313
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:47.579
we collaborated to write the book.

1314
01:15:48.539 --> 01:15:50.640
And in terms of her background and so forth, did

1315
01:15:50.659 --> 01:15:53.779
she go to school for that? I'm not sure. All right.

1316
01:15:54.619 --> 01:15:56.729
And was she working as a journalist or a writer

1317
01:15:56.750 --> 01:16:00.750
prior to you meeting her to write this book? Yes. Yes. Now,

1318
01:16:01.170 --> 01:16:04.029
in addition to that, throughout the course of the book,

1319
01:16:04.069 --> 01:16:09.270
you do put pictures in here and pictures of you

1320
01:16:09.310 --> 01:16:13.020
with darker hair and less of a goatee and more

1321
01:16:13.060 --> 01:16:16.449
of a, looks like just a, actually one without a

1322
01:16:16.489 --> 01:16:20.800
picture of no facial expression whatsoever. It's a picture of

1323
01:16:20.819 --> 01:16:25.960
you as a young police officer. Now, the purpose for

1324
01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:28.520
these pictures in your book is really to help establish

1325
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.579
the some of the things that were happening during that

1326
01:16:31.619 --> 01:16:34.100
time period so the reader could see visually what was

1327
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:35.239
going on, right? Correct.

1328
01:16:35.819 --> 01:16:40.859
Now, in addition to that, in the book, you had

1329
01:16:40.939 --> 01:16:45.989
put as well in the book, the picture that I

1330
01:16:45.989 --> 01:16:46.529
was looking.

1331
01:16:46.369 --> 01:16:48.210
At is this picture right here. Do you recall this picture?

1332
01:16:48.829 --> 01:16:50.109
Yes. Yeah.

1333
01:16:50.369 --> 01:16:54.010
And once again, it's just to show your experience while

1334
01:16:54.050 --> 01:16:57.659
you were being a police officer in Compton, right? Yes. Now,

1335
01:16:57.699 --> 01:16:59.630
in addition to that, though, you do put in the

1336
01:16:59.689 --> 01:17:04.649
back of your book some documents that were documents that

1337
01:17:04.710 --> 01:17:08.149
you used in furtherance of your job as a detective

1338
01:17:08.210 --> 01:17:09.090
at some point, right?

1339
01:17:10.310 --> 01:17:11.970
I don't really understand that question.

1340
01:17:12.149 --> 01:17:14.229
Meaning, for instance, in the back of your book, you

1341
01:17:14.270 --> 01:17:17.539
do put in here a map of the Compton area gangs,

1342
01:17:17.619 --> 01:17:18.180
for instance.

1343
01:17:18.819 --> 01:17:20.640
Yes. You also put in here.

1344
01:17:21.140 --> 01:17:23.579
And the Compton area gangs, for the jury, we're talking

1345
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:27.949
just to highlight how compact of an area... the city

1346
01:17:27.989 --> 01:17:31.489
of Compton was, and how many different areas was claimed

1347
01:17:31.510 --> 01:17:32.949
by different types of gangs.

1348
01:17:33.590 --> 01:17:34.369
Fair? Fair.

1349
01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:37.619
Okay. In addition to that, you also have included in

1350
01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:42.100
here the search warrant that we just talked about before, right?

1351
01:17:42.140 --> 01:17:45.140
This 40 area search warrant. Yes. You put that in

1352
01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:45.800
the book as well.

1353
01:17:46.060 --> 01:17:46.260
Yes.

1354
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:51.689
And just for the jury's edification here, for instance, none

1355
01:17:51.729 --> 01:17:54.529
of the information in here is redacted, meaning it's not

1356
01:17:55.130 --> 01:17:58.319
taken out. by a black mark or anything like that, right?

1357
01:17:58.859 --> 01:17:59.039
Correct.

1358
01:17:59.060 --> 01:18:01.779
All right. And I'm not trying to get anybody in

1359
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:05.890
position here to be in trouble, but in essence, the

1360
01:18:05.930 --> 01:18:08.970
book and the information that's in here was readily available

1361
01:18:09.029 --> 01:18:12.630
for anyone who wanted to buy and read it. Correct. Okay. Now,

1362
01:18:12.729 --> 01:18:16.550
in addition to that, did you have a publisher on this?

1363
01:18:17.829 --> 01:18:19.170
At the beginning, we did, yes.

1364
01:18:19.630 --> 01:18:19.949
Okay.

1365
01:18:20.149 --> 01:18:23.579
And what do you mean at the beginning? Well.

1366
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:27.159
It was a publishing company, and we kind of had

1367
01:18:27.180 --> 01:18:30.640
a little conflict with them, so we decided to leave

1368
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.060
them and self-publish.

1369
01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:36.050
I see. And so with Lolita's help, once the book

1370
01:18:36.090 --> 01:18:39.630
was finalized, and you and Tim both felt good about

1371
01:18:39.649 --> 01:18:43.210
the finished product with Lolita, then you just published it yourself. Yes.

1372
01:18:43.649 --> 01:18:44.250
How does that work?

1373
01:18:46.569 --> 01:18:49.729
Well, you just go to Amazon Books, and it kind

1374
01:18:49.770 --> 01:18:52.020
of just... runs you through it. It's kind of a

1375
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:55.260
complex system.

1376
01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:58.560
You have to do certain things. I mean, I didn't.

1377
01:18:58.140 --> 01:19:00.619
Really do it, so I can't really tell you the

1378
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.670
exact steps because I'm not very good on the computer.

1379
01:19:03.710 --> 01:19:05.109
I know how to turn them off and I know

1380
01:19:05.130 --> 01:19:05.829
how to turn them on.

1381
01:19:06.710 --> 01:19:08.810
But let me ask you this in terms of what

1382
01:19:08.829 --> 01:19:12.800
was happening with Amazon and Once you submitted it to Amazon,

1383
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:15.520
Amazon becomes a platform that sells the book.

1384
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:15.979
Yes.

1385
01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:18.649
And so if someone's interested in the book, they just

1386
01:19:18.659 --> 01:19:21.090
look it up, and they click, and they buy the book.

1387
01:19:21.770 --> 01:19:21.970
Correct.

1388
01:19:22.390 --> 01:19:24.930
Now, at some point, though, as they're buying the book,

1389
01:19:25.390 --> 01:19:28.310
you receive a record as to how many people have

1390
01:19:28.350 --> 01:19:29.750
purchased the book, right?

1391
01:19:30.130 --> 01:19:30.350
Yes.

1392
01:19:30.590 --> 01:19:34.109
And how much money you and Tim and Lolita would

1393
01:19:34.149 --> 01:19:37.430
potentially be making for the sale of each book. Correct. Now,

1394
01:19:37.470 --> 01:19:40.000
in this case, for instance, with the sale of each book,

1395
01:19:40.060 --> 01:19:42.340
I would imagine Amazon would have taken a pretty big

1396
01:19:42.380 --> 01:19:46.800
chunk of the proceeds from the sale of each book. Yes.

1397
01:19:46.939 --> 01:19:49.739
You don't make much money. Yeah. And so even though

1398
01:19:49.779 --> 01:19:52.670
you're selling, and with regards to Once Upon a Time

1399
01:19:52.689 --> 01:19:56.369
in Compton, can you tell us how many of these

1400
01:19:56.409 --> 01:19:57.210
books that you sold?

1401
01:19:58.470 --> 01:19:58.670
No.

1402
01:19:59.130 --> 01:19:59.489
Okay.

1403
01:20:00.829 --> 01:20:02.590
I'm assuming at some point you did receive a check.

1404
01:20:03.529 --> 01:20:03.760
Yeah.

1405
01:20:04.029 --> 01:20:05.119
Okay.

1406
01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:06.750
But not something that you could retire on.

1407
01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:08.439
Oh, definitely not.

1408
01:20:08.939 --> 01:20:11.590
Okay. And in terms of your books, do you remember

1409
01:20:11.630 --> 01:20:14.390
how much they cost, how much you were selling them for?

1410
01:20:14.409 --> 01:20:17.329
I thought it was $ 15.

1411
01:20:17.090 --> 01:20:20.050
99, but I'm not positive on that.

1412
01:20:20.350 --> 01:20:26.220
Okay. Now, one of the things that's in your book

1413
01:20:26.279 --> 01:20:31.000
as well is you had, there was a part of

1414
01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:35.739
the book where you had identified a MGM Grand Ticket. Yes.

1415
01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:41.979
to the Tyson-Seldon fight. Do you recall that particular image

1416
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:42.479
in your book?

1417
01:20:43.020 --> 01:20:45.100
I think it was, yeah, we covered that out of

1418
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:46.020
Suge Knight's house.

1419
01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:47.039
Yeah.

1420
01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:50.689
And with regard to that, if I show you, let

1421
01:20:50.789 --> 01:20:53.170
me do this book here. Your Honor, if I could

1422
01:20:53.210 --> 01:20:56.850
approach and ask the clerk to mark this as proposed

1423
01:20:56.909 --> 01:20:57.890
exhibit next in order.

1424
01:20:59.310 --> 01:20:59.510
Okay.

1425
01:21:03.529 --> 01:21:05.390
What is the next order, Justice? The meeting of the

1426
01:21:05.989 --> 01:21:07.449
She'll put.

1427
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:11.859
It on there.

1428
01:21:11.979 --> 01:21:14.739
Is it BB? Okay, got it.

1429
01:21:15.020 --> 01:21:19.260
It'll be a minute. Was there any objection? I apologize.

1430
01:21:22.460 --> 01:21:26.359
No objection.

1431
01:21:27.390 --> 01:21:31.770
Do you recall this particular image in your book showing

1432
01:21:31.810 --> 01:21:33.289
you what's been marked as BB?

1433
01:21:34.250 --> 01:21:35.170
Yeah, it looks like it, yes.

1434
01:21:35.949 --> 01:21:39.689
Okay, and that was a ticket stub, it looks like,

1435
01:21:39.770 --> 01:21:42.869
to the Selden-Tyson fight?

1436
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:43.899
Yes.

1437
01:21:44.659 --> 01:21:46.960
On September 7th, 1986?

1438
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:47.140
Yes.

1439
01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:51.359
And that ticket stub was located in Shug Knight's house? Yes.

1440
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:12.739
Do you recall when Chuck Knight's house was searched?

1441
01:22:14.779 --> 01:22:17.899
The day that we, I think it was October 2nd.

1442
01:22:17.899 --> 01:22:20.189
The day we served all 38 search warrants.

1443
01:22:20.470 --> 01:22:20.770
I see.

1444
01:22:21.369 --> 01:22:25.130
And so his house was one of the houses that

1445
01:22:25.189 --> 01:22:28.949
you were searching to basically try to quell any potential

1446
01:22:28.989 --> 01:22:33.659
violence in Compton as well as gather information. Yes. Now,

1447
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:37.199
with regards to this particular ticket, though, because it was captured,

1448
01:22:37.859 --> 01:22:40.680
there was an understanding between all the police officers conducting

1449
01:22:40.739 --> 01:22:43.220
all the searches at the same time that you were

1450
01:22:43.260 --> 01:22:46.970
looking for information leading to the murder of Tupac that

1451
01:22:46.989 --> 01:22:48.109
had occurred in September?

1452
01:22:49.529 --> 01:22:49.829
Yes.

1453
01:22:50.430 --> 01:22:53.430
So with regards to this ticket, for instance, because it

1454
01:22:53.470 --> 01:22:56.649
was the Selden-Tyson fight on the night of Tupac's murder,

1455
01:22:56.710 --> 01:23:00.050
this ticket was obtained by you or kept in evidence

1456
01:23:00.109 --> 01:23:01.289
as part of your investigation?

1457
01:23:03.699 --> 01:23:07.260
It wasn't part of our investigation, though. It was for

1458
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:08.260
Las Vegas PD.

1459
01:23:08.619 --> 01:23:08.840
Right.

1460
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:10.760
So let's get a little bit into that. And I

1461
01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.399
want to make sure that the jury understands. So in

1462
01:23:13.430 --> 01:23:16.409
terms of the actual murder investigation itself, that was the

1463
01:23:16.609 --> 01:23:23.069
jurisdiction of Las Vegas Metro. Yes. And so, which I

1464
01:23:23.090 --> 01:23:26.909
guess is difficult here, right? Because potentially everyone that's a

1465
01:23:26.949 --> 01:23:31.609
potential suspect in the Las Vegas murder case potentially would

1466
01:23:31.649 --> 01:23:37.090
have been residing in Compton, right? Not necessarily, but most

1467
01:23:37.130 --> 01:23:37.590
of them did.

1468
01:23:37.829 --> 01:23:38.029
Yeah.

1469
01:23:38.470 --> 01:23:41.270
And so on this particular day, when you're out executing

1470
01:23:41.289 --> 01:23:44.189
the search warrant with all the different locations, you had

1471
01:23:44.270 --> 01:23:49.380
invited the detectives that were assigned to the Metro homicide

1472
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:53.640
investigation here to come out to Compton to be present

1473
01:23:53.819 --> 01:23:56.460
so that they could interview people if they wanted to. Correct.

1474
01:23:56.479 --> 01:23:59.869
All right. And so this particular piece of information would

1475
01:23:59.890 --> 01:24:01.750
have been something that they would have been interested in,

1476
01:24:01.750 --> 01:24:03.649
I would assume. Yes.

1477
01:24:04.229 --> 01:24:04.409
All right.

1478
01:24:04.630 --> 01:24:07.390
Now, we talked a little bit about what was also found,

1479
01:24:07.409 --> 01:24:14.670
and you had indicated that there were some receipts, some

1480
01:24:14.770 --> 01:24:22.539
hotel receipts that were located. I think the state had

1481
01:24:22.859 --> 01:24:25.960
already presented this to the jury. What was the last

1482
01:24:26.020 --> 01:24:29.159
exhibit you guys put up for that? It's 161 and 162.

1483
01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:33.680
It's just, that's the entire return for all locations that

1484
01:24:33.699 --> 01:24:40.130
were up there. Sir, what you were showing earlier in

1485
01:24:40.189 --> 01:24:41.909
terms of the affidavits in this case.

1486
01:24:41.930 --> 01:24:44.329
Thank you.

1487
01:24:44.390 --> 01:24:48.470
Fair to say that the size of the affidavits that

1488
01:24:48.510 --> 01:24:52.109
were shown to you, and once again, this is for

1489
01:24:52.130 --> 01:24:58.590
the state, or for the jury's evocation. State's exhibit 161

1490
01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:04.239
This particular affidavit was actually a lot bigger, right? What

1491
01:25:04.260 --> 01:25:07.659
do you mean by that? Well, meaning, for instance, that

1492
01:25:07.720 --> 01:25:11.909
you were targeting some 38 houses, which means that each

1493
01:25:12.470 --> 01:25:14.789
house had its own paperwork attached to it, which would

1494
01:25:14.810 --> 01:25:16.729
have made this document a lot bigger than what this

1495
01:25:16.770 --> 01:25:18.050
document is right now. Oh, for sure.

1496
01:25:18.270 --> 01:25:19.350
Yeah.

1497
01:25:19.529 --> 01:25:24.010
And then with regards to the document, we're targeting or

1498
01:25:24.090 --> 01:25:40.069
focusing on The first item here looks like was a,

1499
01:25:40.090 --> 01:25:47.710
let's see here. In state's exhibit number 162, there was

1500
01:25:47.729 --> 01:25:53.300
a reference here to a hotel receipt. Right? Yes. Now,

1501
01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:56.159
the property report here that we're looking at on 162,

1502
01:25:56.159 --> 01:26:04.239
which I will show without the This is the property

1503
01:26:04.260 --> 01:26:09.819
report that we referred to earlier, right? Yes. And the

1504
01:26:09.859 --> 01:26:14.189
hotel receipt that's on there is one of the items

1505
01:26:14.270 --> 01:26:18.609
that was taken from this particular property, right?

1506
01:26:19.050 --> 01:26:19.310
Yes.

1507
01:26:20.369 --> 01:26:26.369
Do you have that receipt? No. So unlike, for instance,

1508
01:26:26.550 --> 01:26:30.949
the Suge Knight ticket indicating that there was a fight

1509
01:26:30.970 --> 01:26:37.829
and so forth in, you know, Las Vegas, September 7, 1996.

1510
01:26:37.829 --> 01:26:40.560
This indicates that there was something taken, and that would

1511
01:26:40.569 --> 01:26:45.399
have been that hotel's receipt. But you don't have it here. Correct.

1512
01:26:45.420 --> 01:26:47.119
Do you know where its location is at all?

1513
01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:47.739
No.

1514
01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:54.760
Now, in addition to that, you also, in one of

1515
01:26:55.020 --> 01:27:01.829
the other homes, had indicated that there was a letter

1516
01:27:01.850 --> 01:27:05.840
from the Excalibur Casino and so forth. I'm going to

1517
01:27:05.859 --> 01:27:08.060
show you this document here. This is States Exhibit 163.

1518
01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:14.680
And just for the jury's education here. So it looks

1519
01:27:14.699 --> 01:27:18.390
like here on number one, this would have been the

1520
01:27:18.430 --> 01:27:21.510
receipt of property taken, correct?

1521
01:27:21.659 --> 01:27:21.930
Correct.

1522
01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:25.810
And underneath it here, number one would show a letter

1523
01:27:25.829 --> 01:27:30.609
from Excalibur Casino addressed to Orlando Anderson, right? Yes.

1524
01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:31.560
All right.

1525
01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:34.479
Do you know the date of this particular document?

1526
01:27:35.439 --> 01:27:37.340
It would have to be the same day of the

1527
01:27:37.380 --> 01:27:37.939
search warrant.

1528
01:27:39.010 --> 01:27:41.489
Well, I'm sorry. I'm talking about the letter itself.

1529
01:27:41.909 --> 01:27:42.250
Oh, no.

1530
01:27:42.609 --> 01:27:44.829
Okay. And do you have a copy of that letter?

1531
01:27:45.630 --> 01:27:46.329
I do not, no.

1532
01:27:46.729 --> 01:27:47.069
All right.

1533
01:27:47.210 --> 01:27:48.729
Do you know where that letter is? No.

1534
01:27:49.449 --> 01:27:49.770
All right.

1535
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:53.899
The next part here looks like there's an envelope addressed to,

1536
01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:58.869
once again, Orlando Anderson. And with regards to this particular document,

1537
01:27:58.890 --> 01:28:01.810
do you have any indication of where that document is?

1538
01:28:03.310 --> 01:28:05.409
No, it's booked into property.

1539
01:28:05.789 --> 01:28:06.010
Right.

1540
01:28:06.609 --> 01:28:09.050
And that's the same thing with number three on miscellaneous

1541
01:28:09.109 --> 01:28:12.170
bills addressed to Orlando Anderson, right? Yes. None of these

1542
01:28:12.210 --> 01:28:18.229
documents are addressed directly to Mr. Dwayne Davis. Fair? Yes.

1543
01:28:18.489 --> 01:28:23.140
And once again, when you are searching and finding something like,

1544
01:28:23.340 --> 01:28:24.539
for instance, the Suge Knight.

1545
01:28:26.109 --> 01:28:31.319
Ticket, that document is carefully taken from the scene and

1546
01:28:31.380 --> 01:28:33.819
put into evidence in a way that would preserve the

1547
01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:36.189
chain of custody of something like the ticket.

1548
01:28:36.829 --> 01:28:37.090
Correct.

1549
01:28:37.489 --> 01:28:40.859
Now, in this case, when you search... either of the

1550
01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:45.279
two residences in this case, did you find any indication

1551
01:28:45.340 --> 01:28:48.760
at all, any MGM grant ticket of being on the

1552
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:51.180
second row of the fight, anything at all that would

1553
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:56.899
indicate that Mr. Davis was actually in Las Vegas? No. Now,

1554
01:28:57.720 --> 01:28:59.439
in addition to that, we had talked a little bit

1555
01:28:59.460 --> 01:29:08.550
about the second search warrant. The second search warrant is

1556
01:29:09.020 --> 01:29:23.119
this one here, States Exhibit 136. When a search warrant

1557
01:29:23.770 --> 01:29:31.630
is executed in California, At the time it's executed, is

1558
01:29:31.909 --> 01:29:34.250
it confidential or sealed?

1559
01:29:35.170 --> 01:29:35.970
Sometimes, yes.

1560
01:29:36.369 --> 01:29:38.729
In this particular case with this particular search warrant, was

1561
01:29:38.770 --> 01:29:42.350
this search warrant sealed? Yes. And was it sealed up

1562
01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:48.760
until the time that the search had been conducted? Yes. Okay.

1563
01:29:49.140 --> 01:29:51.939
When did this particular search warrant become unsealed?

1564
01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:54.260
I don't recall.

1565
01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:58.279
Okay. Okay. Fair to say, though, that if someone's charged

1566
01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:01.399
in a crime based upon search warrants that are sealed,

1567
01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:04.680
that that search warrant would then be available for the

1568
01:30:04.699 --> 01:30:07.539
defense to look at. Yes. And it would be unsealed

1569
01:30:07.579 --> 01:30:09.800
at that point. Yes. And that would be the same,

1570
01:30:09.859 --> 01:30:13.090
of course, with the search warrant that occurred at the

1571
01:30:13.369 --> 01:30:17.270
beginning of October the year before, right? Correct. So in

1572
01:30:17.289 --> 01:30:20.090
this case, with this particular search warrant here, this is

1573
01:30:20.149 --> 01:30:34.659
dated as of May 27, 1997. On this particular one here,

1574
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:42.210
you had indicated the form. This is on page four

1575
01:30:42.250 --> 01:30:45.829
of this document. The information that I think we're most

1576
01:30:45.989 --> 01:30:49.840
interested in is line four of that document, right?

1577
01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:52.680
Yes. Meaning that, once again, these.

1578
01:30:52.579 --> 01:30:55.880
Are items that were taken from this home, and those

1579
01:30:56.119 --> 01:31:00.930
items were put into your property or evidence box. Correct.

1580
01:31:01.289 --> 01:31:05.640
And number four is a money due bill from the

1581
01:31:05.720 --> 01:31:06.880
Monte Carlo Casino.

1582
01:31:08.699 --> 01:31:08.960
Right?

1583
01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:12.260
Can you tell us the date of what this money

1584
01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:14.819
due bill was for? No.

1585
01:31:15.180 --> 01:31:15.439
All right.

1586
01:31:15.460 --> 01:31:18.319
And once again, your search in this particular regard was

1587
01:31:18.500 --> 01:31:23.760
actually May of 1997, right? A few months after, part

1588
01:31:24.500 --> 01:31:28.340
of a few months after the September 7th, 1996 shooting. Correct.

1589
01:31:30.470 --> 01:31:33.550
In addition to that, in terms of that money due,

1590
01:31:33.590 --> 01:31:37.439
can you tell us, for instance, who that money due

1591
01:31:37.479 --> 01:31:45.300
bill was addressed to? No. Okay. Now, there were some

1592
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.060
questions by the state on that issue about the fact

1593
01:31:48.100 --> 01:31:52.590
that this was actually a search warrant investigating into the

1594
01:31:52.649 --> 01:31:54.890
murder of Doogie Smalls. Remember that line of questioning from

1595
01:31:54.909 --> 01:31:57.779
the state? Yes. But fair to say, of course, that

1596
01:31:57.890 --> 01:32:01.289
even then, as you're conducting this kind of investigation, you

1597
01:32:01.350 --> 01:32:05.449
are still thinking about the Tupac case, right? For sure. Yeah,

1598
01:32:05.489 --> 01:32:08.449
you weren't just at that particular point forgetting that the

1599
01:32:08.470 --> 01:32:12.310
Tupac murder even occurred. You're still thinking during that time period,

1600
01:32:12.329 --> 01:32:14.710
if you run across something you think is relevant, you

1601
01:32:14.729 --> 01:32:15.869
would have identified it, right?

1602
01:32:16.109 --> 01:32:16.289
Correct.

1603
01:32:16.829 --> 01:32:18.930
And in addition to that, though, you would have identified

1604
01:32:18.949 --> 01:32:20.630
it and you would have called Metro and say, hey,

1605
01:32:20.649 --> 01:32:22.899
by the way, we've got something there that will help

1606
01:32:22.909 --> 01:32:25.279
you with the Tupac murder investigation, fair? Yeah.

1607
01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:26.819
Okay.

1608
01:32:27.380 --> 01:32:31.380
There's no reason why you wouldn't have done that? Not

1609
01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:37.239
that I know of, no. Now, we talked a little

1610
01:32:37.260 --> 01:32:41.279
bit about the size of some of the people that

1611
01:32:41.300 --> 01:32:43.100
were involved here, and I think, was it DeAndre Smith

1612
01:32:43.140 --> 01:32:44.659
you said was a pretty big guy?

1613
01:32:45.300 --> 01:32:45.539
Yes.

1614
01:32:46.180 --> 01:32:48.960
All right. And you said he was like, what, 6'2, 6'3,

1615
01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.640
and about 300 pounds, something like that, big guy? About 6'4,

1616
01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:56.359
300 pounds. Okay. Okay. Did he play any sports or

1617
01:32:56.380 --> 01:32:58.729
anything as far as you know? I think he did.

1618
01:32:58.750 --> 01:33:04.430
I'm not positive. Okay. Now, are you aware of an

1619
01:33:04.489 --> 01:33:08.029
individual by the name of Terrence Brown? Yes. And was

1620
01:33:08.069 --> 01:33:11.010
Terrence Brown one of the individuals that was potentially a

1621
01:33:11.069 --> 01:33:14.539
suspect in the Tupac murder? Yes. All right. Now, with

1622
01:33:14.579 --> 01:33:17.859
regards to Terrence Brown, can you describe for us how, like,

1623
01:33:17.899 --> 01:33:21.529
his size as well? Yeah, he was.

1624
01:33:22.369 --> 01:33:26.989
He's approximately a little shorter than you, and just medium built.

1625
01:33:27.689 --> 01:33:31.930
So a good-looking guy? I'm sorry? I don't know. I

1626
01:33:32.069 --> 01:33:36.090
don't know about that, but... So it's a little bit

1627
01:33:36.109 --> 01:33:39.680
shorter than me and about my size. Right. Okay. Let's

1628
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:43.239
just put it down as I'm the M62, so that's like,

1629
01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:46.119
I'm just kidding, 5'8, and something else. And then in

1630
01:33:46.180 --> 01:33:53.460
terms of the... At the time, with Terrence Brown... you

1631
01:33:53.560 --> 01:33:59.439
are aware that Terence Brown actually dies in, what, 2015? Yes.

1632
01:33:59.680 --> 01:33:59.939
Right.

1633
01:34:00.340 --> 01:34:06.310
And when he dies, do you know how he dies? Yes.

1634
01:34:06.770 --> 01:34:07.489
How did he die?

1635
01:34:08.010 --> 01:34:10.949
He was at a marijuana dispensary.

1636
01:34:11.130 --> 01:34:15.029
In Compton, and a robbery occurred, and he got killed

1637
01:34:15.069 --> 01:34:20.739
during the robbery. So based upon the way he was

1638
01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:23.779
murdered in that case... No indication that that was some

1639
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:27.720
type of retaliation for the murder of Tupac in 1996? No.

1640
01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:30.579
Okay.

1641
01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:34.119
In addition to that, in 1996, I apologize. With regards

1642
01:34:34.140 --> 01:34:37.939
to DeAndre Smith, do you know when he passed? 2004,

1643
01:34:37.939 --> 01:34:41.239
and he died of medical complications.

1644
01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:41.720
Right.

1645
01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:44.180
And as far as you know, nothing that would have

1646
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:49.170
been associated with any type of retribution or revenge for

1647
01:34:49.229 --> 01:34:50.630
the murder of Tupac Shakur?

1648
01:34:51.149 --> 01:34:51.369
Correct.

1649
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:56.970
Now, Orlando is the one who passes away relatively quickly

1650
01:34:57.060 --> 01:34:57.739
after the shooting.

1651
01:34:58.810 --> 01:35:01.050
Yes, approximately a year and a half.

1652
01:35:01.850 --> 01:35:04.369
Right. And in terms of how he passes, he was

1653
01:35:04.409 --> 01:35:06.989
shot and killed? Yes.

1654
01:35:07.010 --> 01:35:08.010
You want me to tell you what happened?

1655
01:35:08.029 --> 01:35:08.329
Please.

1656
01:35:10.090 --> 01:35:13.189
Orlando Anderson was with his best friend, Michael Durrell, and

1657
01:35:13.210 --> 01:35:16.770
they were at a burger stand in Compton. And across

1658
01:35:16.789 --> 01:35:20.029
the street from the burger stand, there was a car wash.

1659
01:35:21.449 --> 01:35:24.579
And Orlando Anderson recognized the people of the car wash.

1660
01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:26.439
There was three people sitting in the car, and he

1661
01:35:26.500 --> 01:35:28.739
recognized one of them that owed him money for some

1662
01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:33.079
narcotics that he didn't pay him for. So Orlando Anderson

1663
01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:37.779
took it upon himself, and he initiated the confrontation.

1664
01:35:37.819 --> 01:35:39.899
He drove up to the car, and he exited with

1665
01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:40.359
a gun.

1666
01:35:41.460 --> 01:35:44.829
However, one of the persons in the other car, they

1667
01:35:44.869 --> 01:35:47.210
had a gun too, so they had a shootout at

1668
01:35:47.229 --> 01:35:50.979
the car wash. And then when the smoke cleared, Orlando

1669
01:35:51.060 --> 01:35:53.500
Anderson was killed during the shootout, as well as two

1670
01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:55.539
other people in the other car were killed.

1671
01:35:56.539 --> 01:35:58.890
And in terms of the two other people in the

1672
01:35:58.899 --> 01:36:03.409
other vehicle, were they both Crips? Yes. So it wasn't

1673
01:36:03.430 --> 01:36:07.069
a blood-on-Crips sort of shootout? No. It was just over

1674
01:36:07.109 --> 01:36:15.800
money and drugs? Yes. Now, we've had some discussion here

1675
01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:20.659
about Darnell Brenner. And you're familiar with Darnell Brim.

1676
01:36:21.060 --> 01:36:22.020
Yes.

1677
01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:25.359
And the way I'm understanding this is that within the

1678
01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:27.680
Southside Crips, you had two different factions.

1679
01:36:28.260 --> 01:36:28.500
Correct.

1680
01:36:28.930 --> 01:36:31.970
You had the Glencoe faction with Darnell Brim.

1681
01:36:32.489 --> 01:36:32.710
Yes.

1682
01:36:33.090 --> 01:36:36.250
And then you had the Burr Street faction.

1683
01:36:36.850 --> 01:36:37.109
Correct.

1684
01:36:37.609 --> 01:36:41.560
Now, in terms of the two different factions that we

1685
01:36:41.609 --> 01:36:45.399
have here, the Burr Street faction was.

1686
01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:51.180
A faction that was dealing with the drugs, mostly. Can

1687
01:36:51.220 --> 01:36:54.500
you repeat that? In terms of the Burr Street faction,

1688
01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:55.920
that they deal in drugs.

1689
01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:00.439
That was one of the things that they were involved in, yes. Yeah.

1690
01:37:00.779 --> 01:37:03.539
And in terms of the other faction, we talked a

1691
01:37:03.539 --> 01:37:04.680
little bit about Darnell Brim.

1692
01:37:05.060 --> 01:37:06.539
He was a shot caller. Correct.

1693
01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:08.039
And he was a violent person.

1694
01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:11.930
He had the potential of being a violent person, yes.

1695
01:37:12.390 --> 01:37:15.090
Well, you recall in your book describing him as a

1696
01:37:15.210 --> 01:37:16.109
very violent person.

1697
01:37:19.689 --> 01:37:21.689
I don't recall that, but if it's in there, it's

1698
01:37:22.840 --> 01:37:23.380
what I said.

1699
01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:27.000
Okay. And once again, it would have been something that

1700
01:37:27.020 --> 01:37:28.979
if it wasn't true in your book, you would have

1701
01:37:29.079 --> 01:37:29.590
corrected it.

1702
01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:33.899
Yeah, I'm not saying he wasn't a violent person.

1703
01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:34.500
Yeah.

1704
01:37:34.819 --> 01:37:37.319
He definitely had the potential to be a violent person.

1705
01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:39.409
And isn't it fair to say, though, like even in

1706
01:37:39.430 --> 01:37:41.789
your book, that you describe him as being someone that

1707
01:37:41.829 --> 01:37:45.590
was implicated in some attempt murders, that kind of thing

1708
01:37:45.630 --> 01:37:50.090
as well? Absolutely. Darn outbred. Yes. Now, Darnell Grimm is

1709
01:37:50.430 --> 01:37:53.710
shot in the back how many days after the shooting

1710
01:37:53.770 --> 01:37:58.020
of Tupac Shakur? Two. And with regards to the shooting

1711
01:37:58.039 --> 01:38:00.939
in the back, do you know who shot him in

1712
01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:07.659
the back? No. We were told it was Pairu, so... Right.

1713
01:38:07.819 --> 01:38:10.939
And would that fall more into the idea of what

1714
01:38:10.979 --> 01:38:12.810
you're saying about retaliation in this case?

1715
01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:13.399
Yes.

1716
01:38:14.010 --> 01:38:17.859
Now, there are other people that potentially were considered... I

1717
01:38:17.899 --> 01:38:21.739
think including the initial investigation here as being part of

1718
01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:25.050
the Tupac murder. Do you recall a person by the

1719
01:38:25.090 --> 01:38:29.579
name of Noel Spank Johnson? Yes. All right. And he

1720
01:38:29.819 --> 01:38:37.140
is also a Southside Crip member, part of the Glencove crew.

1721
01:38:37.699 --> 01:38:37.939
Correct.

1722
01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:41.960
All right. Do you recall a person by the name

1723
01:38:42.020 --> 01:38:46.149
of Jerry Monk Bond? Yes. All right. Once again, part

1724
01:38:46.170 --> 01:38:52.329
of the Glencove crew. Correct. and then also Orlando Anderson. Right. Okay.

1725
01:38:52.729 --> 01:38:56.470
So those individuals at some point were considered to be

1726
01:38:56.529 --> 01:38:59.529
potentially involved in the murder of Tupac Shakur, correct?

1727
01:39:03.329 --> 01:39:03.550
Yes.

1728
01:39:03.569 --> 01:39:04.149
Okay.

1729
01:39:04.710 --> 01:39:08.250
Now, in addition to that, when you had conducted the

1730
01:39:08.310 --> 01:39:13.310
searches on Mr. Davis' home and the locations that were at,

1731
01:39:13.369 --> 01:39:15.130
did you ever find.

1732
01:39:16.140 --> 01:39:19.560
Money Not that I'm aware of, no.

1733
01:39:19.899 --> 01:39:23.060
No vast sums of money for somebody making 100% of

1734
01:39:23.060 --> 01:39:24.239
$ 4 million a month?

1735
01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:25.159
No.

1736
01:39:25.659 --> 01:39:29.220
How about expensive clothes, like stuff that was worth, you know,

1737
01:39:29.279 --> 01:39:32.949
suits worth $ 6, 000, anything like that? I don't recall the

1738
01:39:33.010 --> 01:39:36.670
clothing that was inside. Yeah, but in terms of, you know,

1739
01:39:36.750 --> 01:39:40.750
just information about the individual's living conditions, for instance, did

1740
01:39:40.789 --> 01:39:43.850
you find any expensive cars that he owned or anything

1741
01:39:43.869 --> 01:39:46.670
like that? Besides the lowriders and stuff that people put

1742
01:39:46.710 --> 01:39:50.000
a lot of work into. Well, them are expensive cars

1743
01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:53.680
to me, so yes, we did. And when you say lowriders,

1744
01:39:53.699 --> 01:39:56.560
are we talking about lowriders here or BMWs?

1745
01:39:56.979 --> 01:40:01.539
Monte Carlos, you know, hydraulics, all that kind of stuff.

1746
01:40:01.579 --> 01:40:06.819
Sure. And in terms of the Monte Carlos and the hydraulics, Mr.

1747
01:40:07.239 --> 01:40:10.590
Davis was actually part of what they call a lowrider

1748
01:40:10.619 --> 01:40:12.520
club in Compton?

1749
01:40:13.489 --> 01:40:15.229
No, I wasn't aware of that.

1750
01:40:15.529 --> 01:40:21.069
Okay. You're not aware of... let me ask this next question,

1751
01:40:21.899 --> 01:40:24.640
but in terms of the vehicles we're talking about, they

1752
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:29.220
were not for Mercedes-Benz, BMW, nothing like that. They were

1753
01:40:29.239 --> 01:40:43.810
just modified cars. Now, in addition to that, going back

1754
01:40:44.430 --> 01:40:48.529
to your book, Do you have anything in here, like

1755
01:40:48.590 --> 01:40:52.689
a disclaimer that says that, hey, we can't verify the

1756
01:40:52.760 --> 01:40:54.020
truthfulness of the book at all?

1757
01:40:55.479 --> 01:40:56.020
I'm not sure.

1758
01:40:56.659 --> 01:40:57.380
All right.

1759
01:40:57.520 --> 01:40:59.119
If you were just to review the book real quick,

1760
01:40:59.140 --> 01:41:00.640
just to tell me if there is anything like that,

1761
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:02.479
would that help your recollection?

1762
01:41:02.500 --> 01:41:03.970
Honestly, I wouldn't even know where to look.

1763
01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:05.810
It should be in the front because it would be

1764
01:41:05.850 --> 01:41:07.729
a big warning. Do you want to check it out?

1765
01:41:07.750 --> 01:41:09.850
No, there's nothing in there to that effect then.

1766
01:41:11.289 --> 01:41:20.350
And would it be... Have you ever read a guy

1767
01:41:20.390 --> 01:41:24.090
by the name of Greg Kading's book, Murder Rap? Some

1768
01:41:24.149 --> 01:41:28.210
of it, yes. Can you tell us who Greg Kading was?

1769
01:41:29.149 --> 01:41:30.840
He was a LAPD sergeant.

1770
01:41:30.850 --> 01:41:33.699
Okay.

1771
01:41:35.859 --> 01:41:39.840
Did you have any interactions with him? No. Did he

1772
01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:43.779
share in any investigation that you were involved in? No.

1773
01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:52.550
Did your partner... have any work with him. Yes. And

1774
01:41:52.609 --> 01:41:55.449
the work that we're talking about is in the task

1775
01:41:55.510 --> 01:41:59.529
force that was assigned to investigate the murder of Biggie Smalls.

1776
01:42:00.229 --> 01:42:00.550
Correct.

1777
01:42:01.189 --> 01:42:03.390
And he was part of that. Tim Brenner was part

1778
01:42:03.630 --> 01:42:07.229
of that, along with Mr. Cady. Correct.

1779
01:42:08.659 --> 01:42:10.039
All right.

1780
01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:18.100
Now, We had shared a little bit about the swallowing

1781
01:42:18.140 --> 01:42:24.439
up of Compton PD by the L.A. Sheriff's Department. You

1782
01:42:24.460 --> 01:42:29.100
call it swallowing up. I call it absorbed or whatever. Right.

1783
01:42:29.220 --> 01:42:29.810
Why was that?

1784
01:42:32.310 --> 01:42:35.590
Well, it would take, I could tell you in a

1785
01:42:35.609 --> 01:42:39.149
couple minutes, but it's really a six-month long.

1786
01:42:41.569 --> 01:42:43.470
Thing that happened, but I can explain it to you

1787
01:42:43.489 --> 01:42:46.119
if you want. Well, I mean, obviously there's a lot

1788
01:42:46.140 --> 01:42:50.199
of moving parts, right? Yes. The absorption or dismantling of

1789
01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:54.350
a police department is a very unusual thing, right? Yes.

1790
01:42:54.890 --> 01:42:57.630
And so in order for that to happen, if I

1791
01:42:57.670 --> 01:42:59.369
can just cut right to the chase with you, was

1792
01:42:59.390 --> 01:43:03.670
there corruption going on within the department that caused the

1793
01:43:03.810 --> 01:43:05.989
absorption of the department back to the sheriff's department?

1794
01:43:06.949 --> 01:43:07.140
No.

1795
01:43:07.560 --> 01:43:11.119
Okay, then what was it that caused it? It was.

1796
01:43:12.590 --> 01:43:16.250
The mayor, Omar Bradley, at the time, was being investigated

1797
01:43:16.270 --> 01:43:20.949
by the FBI. He found out that he was being

1798
01:43:21.149 --> 01:43:27.149
investigated by the FBI and he blamed our chief. So

1799
01:43:28.510 --> 01:43:31.090
what he did is he put our chief and a

1800
01:43:31.149 --> 01:43:37.039
captain off on administrative leave and he made some allegations

1801
01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:43.699
of missing narcotics. Now our These guys were two 30-year

1802
01:43:43.739 --> 01:43:52.029
veterans with prestigious careers. Our department elected to do a

1803
01:43:52.069 --> 01:43:57.590
vote of no confidence against the mayor. And this really

1804
01:43:58.430 --> 01:44:02.569
pissed the mayor off. And he went to the city council,

1805
01:44:03.250 --> 01:44:06.739
and they voted to bring in the sheriffs. And they

1806
01:44:06.779 --> 01:44:10.060
never asked the citizens if that's what they wanted. He

1807
01:44:10.079 --> 01:44:15.159
just did that upon himself. Now, there was a long

1808
01:44:15.199 --> 01:44:19.590
investigation regarding the Stovall narcotics, and our two captain and

1809
01:44:19.649 --> 01:44:25.789
chief were exonerated. There was a 60-page report on it,

1810
01:44:26.090 --> 01:44:31.510
and it resulted in one Hispanic narcotic officer was taken

1811
01:44:31.550 --> 01:44:36.729
to narcotics, and he was dealt with. So the bottom

1812
01:44:36.770 --> 01:44:41.569
line is we lost our police department, 112-year-old police department,

1813
01:44:42.529 --> 01:44:47.399
Omar Bradley ends up getting arrested and convicted, so everybody

1814
01:44:47.460 --> 01:44:48.000
lost here.

1815
01:44:49.159 --> 01:44:52.899
And as a result of that, I think you told

1816
01:44:52.939 --> 01:44:55.079
us earlier you didn't stay in the city of Compton.

1817
01:44:55.100 --> 01:44:56.539
You got reassigned to another city?

1818
01:44:58.180 --> 01:45:00.770
No, I stayed in the city of Compton.

1819
01:45:01.529 --> 01:45:04.109
For a year, and then I elected.

1820
01:45:03.750 --> 01:45:05.109
To go to another agency.

1821
01:45:05.489 --> 01:45:08.930
I see. All right.

1822
01:45:09.149 --> 01:45:09.409
And then.

1823
01:45:11.449 --> 01:45:14.569
While you were there, the other thing that you did,

1824
01:45:14.609 --> 01:45:16.390
and you shared with us a bit about the fact

1825
01:45:16.409 --> 01:45:21.869
that you were very well-versed in the gang culture in Compton, right? Correct.

1826
01:45:22.149 --> 01:45:25.789
And in terms of the well-versed, meaning that you can

1827
01:45:25.850 --> 01:45:29.189
identify and see patterns of behavior that would indicate to

1828
01:45:29.250 --> 01:45:32.909
you maybe gang activity, for instance, right?

1829
01:45:32.939 --> 01:45:33.060
Yes.

1830
01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:35.600
And that would also include how a person dressed.

1831
01:45:35.699 --> 01:45:36.800
We talked a little bit about that.

1832
01:45:36.920 --> 01:45:37.500
I apologize.

1833
01:45:40.689 --> 01:45:43.770
Like, for instance, even the way a person dresses in blue, right?

1834
01:45:44.090 --> 01:45:47.170
That would help you determine maybe, potentially, that that person's

1835
01:45:47.229 --> 01:45:53.609
associated with a type of gang. Yes. Like in this case... No. No?

1836
01:45:53.869 --> 01:45:58.090
All right. But with regards to the way it's set up, though,

1837
01:45:58.210 --> 01:46:01.850
is that, you know, did you at any point ever

1838
01:46:02.489 --> 01:46:06.569
determine that Tupac Shakur was a member of the gang?

1839
01:46:07.449 --> 01:46:07.630
No.

1840
01:46:08.930 --> 01:46:09.189
Why not?

1841
01:46:10.529 --> 01:46:11.470
Because he wasn't.

1842
01:46:12.949 --> 01:46:16.199
And when you say that I mean obviously he's associated

1843
01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:20.899
with the mob or with the death row label correct

1844
01:46:21.380 --> 01:46:23.819
and he was also at that particular point hanging around

1845
01:46:23.899 --> 01:46:27.539
with Shug Knight correct and Shug Knight was an identified

1846
01:46:27.739 --> 01:46:30.750
mob pyro or an associate of the mob pyro correct

1847
01:46:31.189 --> 01:46:33.930
as well as other people who were mob pyro like

1848
01:46:34.010 --> 01:46:36.010
Mob James for instance was in that.

1849
01:46:35.949 --> 01:46:41.750
Association yes his entourage were all mob pyro gang members Okay, but.

1850
01:46:41.670 --> 01:46:44.409
You're telling us right now that Tupac was not a

1851
01:46:44.430 --> 01:46:47.189
gang member? No. Just because he was hanging around these

1852
01:46:47.210 --> 01:46:48.770
people did not make him a gang member?

1853
01:46:49.329 --> 01:46:49.590
Correct.

1854
01:46:50.189 --> 01:46:53.119
Now, fair to say, of course, that even in the

1855
01:46:53.260 --> 01:46:56.939
Death Row record label, there were actually Crips that were

1856
01:46:57.359 --> 01:46:58.699
part of that label as well, right?

1857
01:46:59.399 --> 01:46:59.600
Yes.

1858
01:46:59.819 --> 01:47:00.840
That would have been Snoop Dogg?

1859
01:47:01.220 --> 01:47:02.380
Correct. That would have been Dr.

1860
01:47:02.399 --> 01:47:02.699
Dre?

1861
01:47:03.699 --> 01:47:06.569
Not sure about Dr. Dre. Who's the other one that

1862
01:47:06.609 --> 01:47:07.800
I'm thinking about? Is it EZ? EZ.

1863
01:47:10.050 --> 01:47:13.029
He was an associate with that record label, I think.

1864
01:47:13.189 --> 01:47:14.180
I don't think he was.

1865
01:47:14.859 --> 01:47:17.140
You tell me, because I'm just trying to figure it out.

1866
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:20.840
But fair to say, though, that within business, it wasn't

1867
01:47:20.899 --> 01:47:24.760
about a color as much as it was about money, right?

1868
01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:28.510
You're making money, and so you're not isolating one segment

1869
01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:31.689
of the population from the other in terms of your product. Correct.

1870
01:47:32.050 --> 01:47:32.250
Okay.

1871
01:47:35.069 --> 01:47:38.439
Now, with regards to Mob James at that particular point,

1872
01:47:38.479 --> 01:47:41.859
you had told us that you believed he was an OG. Yeah.

1873
01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:48.510
Did Mob James have any indication for violence?

1874
01:47:52.229 --> 01:47:55.689
I never investigated him for any violence because he was

1875
01:47:55.909 --> 01:47:59.310
in jail when I was, most of the time that

1876
01:47:59.340 --> 01:48:02.899
I was in patrol and in the gang unit. I

1877
01:48:02.920 --> 01:48:04.760
don't know exactly when he got out, but when he

1878
01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:08.810
got out, he was already older. He didn't really hang

1879
01:48:08.890 --> 01:48:10.170
out with the younger gangsters.

1880
01:48:10.829 --> 01:48:14.649
I see. And with regard to this retaliation thing we

1881
01:48:14.689 --> 01:48:19.489
talked about, you said there was some concern that once

1882
01:48:19.529 --> 01:48:21.920
the shots were fired and Tupac was hit, that there

1883
01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:23.800
was concern that there was going to be some type

1884
01:48:23.859 --> 01:48:26.399
of gang war back in Compton, right?

1885
01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:28.180
Yes.

1886
01:48:28.659 --> 01:48:32.329
Now, you shared with us a little bit of how

1887
01:48:32.350 --> 01:48:35.409
this worked. You were asleep in bed, and you get

1888
01:48:35.449 --> 01:48:38.050
a call early morning from Reggie Wright Sr.

1889
01:48:39.739 --> 01:48:41.199
I don't recall if I had to sleep in bed

1890
01:48:41.220 --> 01:48:41.939
when I was at home.

1891
01:48:42.260 --> 01:48:45.050
Okay. And can you tell us what time that you

1892
01:48:45.090 --> 01:48:48.550
received the call from Reggie Wright Sr.? I don't recall.

1893
01:48:48.569 --> 01:48:50.390
It was a long time ago. Okay.

1894
01:48:50.909 --> 01:48:53.770
But it would have been still that evening or that night?

1895
01:48:53.850 --> 01:48:54.090
Yes.

1896
01:48:54.350 --> 01:48:58.800
Not the next morning or anything like that? And the

1897
01:48:58.819 --> 01:49:00.420
reason why he would have called you is because he

1898
01:49:00.460 --> 01:49:07.279
was your direct boss? Yes. Okay. Now, in addition to that,

1899
01:49:07.479 --> 01:49:14.109
you had also mentioned this retaliation. The shootings that occur after,

1900
01:49:14.130 --> 01:49:18.210
you have, is it Mr. Brim's first, was the first

1901
01:49:18.250 --> 01:49:24.329
shot fired against, between the Ma Pairu and the Southside Crips?

1902
01:49:25.689 --> 01:49:26.710
Was he the first one shot?

1903
01:49:27.189 --> 01:49:28.310
Darnell? Yeah. Yes.

1904
01:49:28.909 --> 01:49:32.100
And then after Darnell, who was the next person shot?

1905
01:49:33.659 --> 01:49:38.100
I believe it was the next day at 713 North Bradfield.

1906
01:49:38.300 --> 01:49:43.050
I believe two people were shot, and that's in Piru territory.

1907
01:49:43.069 --> 01:49:48.029
Do you know if they were Piru? They were. They were.

1908
01:49:50.510 --> 01:49:56.180
And do you know who shot them? No. All right. Now,

1909
01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:59.579
with regards to the Darnell Brim, do you know who

1910
01:49:59.619 --> 01:50:04.159
shot him? No. Now, in terms of the two Piru

1911
01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:10.060
that were shot the morning after Mr. Brim, do you

1912
01:50:10.100 --> 01:50:14.550
know how the order was given out for these people

1913
01:50:14.569 --> 01:50:15.029
to be shot?

1914
01:50:15.489 --> 01:50:15.689
No.

1915
01:50:16.609 --> 01:50:20.489
So no phone records, for instance, from Mr. Davis indicating

1916
01:50:20.510 --> 01:50:22.670
that he wanted these people shot or anything like that?

1917
01:50:23.010 --> 01:50:23.270
Correct.

1918
01:50:24.310 --> 01:50:27.409
Now, after the two Piru were shot, what happened next?

1919
01:50:29.500 --> 01:50:32.539
I believe later on another person was shot at Pine

1920
01:50:32.579 --> 01:50:35.680
and Bradfield in Mob Piru territory.

1921
01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:40.029
And was that person a crip or a blood? The

1922
01:50:40.069 --> 01:50:44.810
person that was shot was Piru affiliated, yes. Okay, so

1923
01:50:44.869 --> 01:50:47.430
two Pirus are shot that day, and then later on

1924
01:50:47.449 --> 01:50:49.439
that day another Piru affiliate was shot.

1925
01:50:49.489 --> 01:50:49.720
Yes.

1926
01:50:50.350 --> 01:50:52.500
All right, and do you know if that was an

1927
01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:56.579
order that was given out by anybody to shoot that Piru? No. Okay,

1928
01:50:56.779 --> 01:51:00.000
and then the next person shot after that was who?

1929
01:51:01.300 --> 01:51:03.359
I don't recall the name, but I believe it was

1930
01:51:03.619 --> 01:51:06.289
the 80-something South Ward Street.

1931
01:51:06.310 --> 01:51:10.270
Was that... And that was in Crip territory. And so

1932
01:51:10.329 --> 01:51:14.930
that person was a Crip? Yes. All right, and that

1933
01:51:14.989 --> 01:51:22.840
shot occurred when, or when did that shooting occur? I

1934
01:51:22.899 --> 01:51:23.359
don't recall.

1935
01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:23.920
All right.

1936
01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:28.500
And as far as you know, this is happening over

1937
01:51:28.539 --> 01:51:32.060
the course of maybe, there was 10 days. I think

1938
01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:33.680
that was how it was framed. It was like it's

1939
01:51:33.699 --> 01:51:36.340
a 10-day war in Compton. Yes. But fair to say

1940
01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:38.539
it may have been a little bit longer, like maybe

1941
01:51:38.539 --> 01:51:39.500
13 days, right?

1942
01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:41.199
No.

1943
01:51:41.279 --> 01:51:45.119
Okay. So if we go with 10 days in this,

1944
01:51:46.710 --> 01:51:49.630
any proof at all that we can show this jury

1945
01:51:49.689 --> 01:51:50.470
that Mr.

1946
01:51:50.510 --> 01:51:56.050
Davis ordered any of the shootings to occur in this case? Now,

1947
01:51:56.329 --> 01:51:58.409
in addition to that.

1948
01:52:00.350 --> 01:52:08.770
The idea here behind the shootings, we go back to

1949
01:52:08.810 --> 01:52:13.840
the Lake Woodmont incident, right? Is the Lake Woodmont incident,

1950
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:17.779
in your mind, the definitive act in which the war

1951
01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:23.819
is now declared between the Ma Pairu and the Southside Crips?

1952
01:52:26.720 --> 01:52:32.079
That was the first incident that sparked this whole back

1953
01:52:32.159 --> 01:52:32.859
and forth thing.

1954
01:52:33.699 --> 01:52:40.529
Yes. Now, let me ask you this. Did it really happen? Yes. Okay. Now,

1955
01:52:40.550 --> 01:52:43.289
in your book, you identify it as happening at the

1956
01:52:43.329 --> 01:52:48.270
Lakewood Mall. Yes. And it happened in a footlocker. Yes. Now,

1957
01:52:48.350 --> 01:52:48.810
do you.

1958
01:52:48.750 --> 01:52:53.560
Have any indication at all of a police report or.

1959
01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:57.140
A call for 911 to the area on a fight

1960
01:52:57.180 --> 01:52:59.770
that occurs at the Lakewood Mall that day? No.

1961
01:53:00.739 --> 01:53:00.930
No?

1962
01:53:01.430 --> 01:53:01.609
No.

1963
01:53:02.229 --> 01:53:05.729
Do you have indication at all from the security people

1964
01:53:05.810 --> 01:53:08.069
at the mall where they would have written up a

1965
01:53:08.109 --> 01:53:11.789
report that said, hey, we had an altercation here at

1966
01:53:11.829 --> 01:53:12.449
the Lakewood Mall?

1967
01:53:13.369 --> 01:53:17.270
I don't think a report was generated by the security officers, no. Okay.

1968
01:53:17.590 --> 01:53:21.380
Now, fair to say, of course, there's been some description

1969
01:53:21.420 --> 01:53:24.560
of that brawl being the kind of brawl that actually

1970
01:53:25.130 --> 01:53:29.350
required Foot Locker to redo their entire inside because it

1971
01:53:29.380 --> 01:53:32.060
just destroyed the inside. You recall anything like that?

1972
01:53:33.039 --> 01:53:35.300
I never heard anything like that. I just know there

1973
01:53:35.340 --> 01:53:38.539
was a fight at the Foot Locker.

1974
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:41.020
Right. You heard there was a fight, but you never

1975
01:53:41.079 --> 01:53:43.739
made any effort, for instance. And it's not your job

1976
01:53:43.779 --> 01:53:45.039
because it's Lakewood, right?

1977
01:53:45.340 --> 01:53:45.619
Correct.

1978
01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:50.199
But in essence, no verification that even Foot Locker was

1979
01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:52.489
contacted to say, hey, did a fight break out over

1980
01:53:52.510 --> 01:53:54.130
here on this particular day? Nothing like that.

1981
01:53:54.960 --> 01:53:55.539
Don't recall.

1982
01:53:56.880 --> 01:53:59.699
So in essence what we have right now is what

1983
01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:01.930
you had heard from people on the street as to

1984
01:54:02.010 --> 01:54:05.729
what happened at this Lakewood Mall incident, right? Yes. Now

1985
01:54:05.810 --> 01:54:10.409
some people, I would assume, thought that the shooting of

1986
01:54:10.449 --> 01:54:13.390
Tupac was in retaliation, or maybe the fight of Tupac

1987
01:54:13.449 --> 01:54:15.949
and Orlando was in retaliation to what happened at Lakewood Mall.

1988
01:54:16.329 --> 01:54:18.069
But as you're sitting here right now, you don't have

1989
01:54:18.130 --> 01:54:27.039
any actual proof of the Lakewood Mall incident actually occurring? No. Okay. Yeah. Now,

1990
01:54:27.100 --> 01:54:35.020
in addition to that, we had heard from you a

1991
01:54:35.020 --> 01:54:39.260
little bit about... I'm sorry, I just have to make

1992
01:54:39.279 --> 01:54:43.149
sure I got all my notes here. We talked a

1993
01:54:43.170 --> 01:54:48.449
little bit about your identifying of a shock caller, right? Now,

1994
01:54:49.210 --> 01:54:51.590
a shock caller is somebody who basically tells people what

1995
01:54:51.609 --> 01:54:51.789
to do.

1996
01:54:52.539 --> 01:54:52.739
Yes.

1997
01:54:53.159 --> 01:54:56.000
And you had said that the shot caller is somebody

1998
01:54:56.039 --> 01:54:57.859
that if an order is given to one of the

1999
01:54:57.899 --> 01:55:00.710
other lower people on the totem pole, they have to

2000
01:55:00.750 --> 01:55:01.270
follow that order.

2001
01:55:01.890 --> 01:55:02.989
Correct. All right.

2002
01:55:03.470 --> 01:55:07.149
And in this particular regard, you don't know, for instance,

2003
01:55:07.590 --> 01:55:10.289
what happened in Las Vegas, who did anything in terms

2004
01:55:10.350 --> 01:55:11.829
of a shot call, or anything like.

2005
01:55:11.729 --> 01:55:12.250
That, right?

2006
01:55:12.270 --> 01:55:18.029
I don't understand the question. Meaning, you don't have any

2007
01:55:18.069 --> 01:55:21.979
proof for us today that says that first of all,

2008
01:55:22.010 --> 01:55:23.810
even if Keith Lee was in Las Vegas, right? You

2009
01:55:23.829 --> 01:55:28.399
don't have to prove that. His own admission, I mean.

2010
01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:32.260
Besides the admission, you don't have any actual physical evidence

2011
01:55:32.340 --> 01:55:33.739
that supports that, right?

2012
01:55:33.979 --> 01:55:34.159
Right.

2013
01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:37.800
And then in terms of his admission, did you ever

2014
01:55:37.859 --> 01:55:40.699
verify what he was telling people to see if what

2015
01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:41.600
he was saying was true?

2016
01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:44.600
As far as what?

2017
01:55:45.090 --> 01:55:48.750
Being in Las Vegas. Did I? Yeah. No. Okay.

2018
01:55:48.770 --> 01:55:48.869
Okay.

2019
01:55:49.409 --> 01:55:53.359
So in terms of the information that was given, you're

2020
01:55:53.380 --> 01:55:56.699
just saying that because Mr. Davis was a drug dealer

2021
01:55:56.859 --> 01:56:00.829
and maybe had provided money for the Southside Crips or

2022
01:56:00.850 --> 01:56:03.409
something like that, that because of that, he is a

2023
01:56:04.050 --> 01:56:05.670
leader in the Southside Crips.

2024
01:56:06.550 --> 01:56:08.449
Well, there's more to it than that. Sure.

2025
01:56:08.909 --> 01:56:10.289
But I just want to make sure I'm clear about

2026
01:56:10.329 --> 01:56:14.239
something here. In terms of your investigation of this case.

2027
01:56:17.489 --> 01:56:20.989
Did KVD ever order a hit on anybody before or

2028
01:56:21.130 --> 01:56:22.369
after the shooting.

2029
01:56:22.250 --> 01:56:26.069
Of Tupac Shakur? Not that I know of.

2030
01:56:27.050 --> 01:56:27.909
I have no further questions.

2031
01:56:27.970 --> 01:56:28.310
Thank you.

2032
01:56:29.470 --> 01:56:31.020
All right.

2033
01:56:31.060 --> 01:56:31.770
Redirected by Mr.

2034
01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:32.029
Paul.

2035
01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:33.460
Yes.

2036
01:56:33.699 --> 01:56:36.380
I'm going to start where Mr.

2037
01:56:36.399 --> 01:56:38.819
Sam left off.

2038
01:56:42.619 --> 01:56:46.619
So, Mr. Sam asked you if you had any proof

2039
01:56:46.680 --> 01:56:48.079
that Mr.

2040
01:56:48.140 --> 01:56:50.800
Davis was in Las Vegas at the time of the

2041
01:56:50.840 --> 01:56:52.739
Tupac Shakur murder.

2042
01:56:53.420 --> 01:56:55.159
And your response was, his admission.

2043
01:56:55.220 --> 01:56:56.220
Is that what you're saying?

2044
01:56:56.760 --> 01:57:00.949
Now, you have investigated hundreds of homicides. Is that right?

2045
01:57:01.310 --> 01:57:02.130
Correct.

2046
01:57:02.529 --> 01:57:06.489
Have you ever relied on a defendant's or suspect's admission to.

2047
01:57:06.409 --> 01:57:07.010
Form a case?

2048
01:57:08.050 --> 01:57:08.449
Yes, sir.

2049
01:57:08.909 --> 01:57:09.850
In fact, in.

2050
01:57:09.850 --> 01:57:13.310
Gang cases in particular, where witnesses are scared to come out,

2051
01:57:13.390 --> 01:57:15.170
is a defendant's.

2052
01:57:14.640 --> 01:57:19.020
Admission of committing a murder is powerful evidence used to prosecute.

2053
01:57:19.279 --> 01:57:23.270
Yeah, that's basically, that's how most of our gang crimes

2054
01:57:23.310 --> 01:57:27.710
get solved, is by self-admission or incrimination.

2055
01:57:28.189 --> 01:57:33.670
Okay, and then Mr. Sanft asked you about, you don't

2056
01:57:33.710 --> 01:57:36.689
know whether or not Mr. Davis ordered the hit, and

2057
01:57:36.729 --> 01:57:40.239
to be fair, you weren't in the Cadillac, were you?

2058
01:57:40.479 --> 01:57:40.720
No.

2059
01:57:41.100 --> 01:57:47.670
Okay. But let's go through Mr. Sanft's logic. You had

2060
01:57:47.729 --> 01:57:49.029
said that Mr.

2061
01:57:49.090 --> 01:57:52.430
Davis was a shock caller within the Southside Crips.

2062
01:57:52.510 --> 01:57:53.609
Is that fair? Yes.

2063
01:57:53.949 --> 01:58:01.279
And then let me pose this to you. If Mr. Brown,

2064
01:58:01.380 --> 01:58:06.270
Terrence Brown, DeAndre Smith, and Orlando Anderson and Mr. Davis

2065
01:58:06.369 --> 01:58:08.890
are in a car, who is the leader in that car?

2066
01:58:08.909 --> 01:58:08.989
Mr.

2067
01:58:09.010 --> 01:58:11.920
Davis. Who is the shot caller in that car?

2068
01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:12.069
Mr.

2069
01:58:12.119 --> 01:58:12.500
Davis.

2070
01:58:12.699 --> 01:58:15.079
And so if a shot is coming, if those four

2071
01:58:15.100 --> 01:58:18.100
people are in a car, and shots are coming out

2072
01:58:18.140 --> 01:58:19.039
of that, who has.

2073
01:58:18.939 --> 01:58:19.920
To give the authorization?

2074
01:58:20.319 --> 01:58:20.960
Mr. Davis.

2075
01:58:21.220 --> 01:58:24.539
Okay, so if Mr. Davis is in the Cadillac, he's

2076
01:58:24.579 --> 01:58:26.060
the one calling that shot?

2077
01:58:26.930 --> 01:58:27.439
Absolutely.

2078
01:58:27.470 --> 01:58:30.699
If he tells them not to do it, say, let's

2079
01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:34.119
handle this back in Compton, they wouldn't have had a shooting.

2080
01:58:34.579 --> 01:58:37.340
If he sanctioned it, then there'd be a shooting.

2081
01:58:37.619 --> 01:58:42.300
And Mr. Orlando Anderson, he was what you had called

2082
01:58:42.520 --> 01:58:43.699
a gangster, right?

2083
01:58:44.140 --> 01:58:44.699
Absolutely.

2084
01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:46.739
So he would be the person that would have to

2085
01:58:47.180 --> 01:58:48.520
listen to Mr.

2086
01:58:48.539 --> 01:58:50.239
Davis. Yes.

2087
01:58:50.619 --> 01:58:54.340
And so was it in your experience, knowing the roles

2088
01:58:54.579 --> 01:58:58.939
of everybody in that vehicle, could Mr. Anderson shoot that

2089
01:58:59.050 --> 01:59:02.680
gun with Mr. Davis in the car without Mr.

2090
01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:03.340
Davis' permission?

2091
01:59:04.020 --> 01:59:04.260
No.

2092
01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:17.250
Now let's talk about your book.

2093
01:59:17.369 --> 01:59:18.310
When was your book published?

2094
01:59:18.310 --> 01:59:18.850
2017.

2095
01:59:18.850 --> 01:59:25.100
So that would be well after Mr. Davis' proffer statement, correct?

2096
01:59:25.279 --> 01:59:25.500
Correct.

2097
01:59:25.729 --> 01:59:30.069
Be well after his 2009 statement to the Las Vegas

2098
01:59:30.090 --> 01:59:34.090
Metropolitan Police Department. And it might be contemporaneous, we don't know,

2099
01:59:34.109 --> 01:59:42.529
to the time of his statement to the death row office.

2100
01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:43.560
Regarding the.

2101
01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:48.680
I want to talk a little bit about the L.A.

2102
01:59:48.699 --> 01:59:52.539
Sheriff's Office absorbing the Compton Police Department. Is it fair

2103
01:59:52.579 --> 01:59:56.250
to say that a function of that transfer was that

2104
01:59:56.510 --> 01:59:59.510
some of the evidence that was retained from those search

2105
01:59:59.529 --> 02:00:03.220
warrants just were, for lack of a better term, lost.

2106
02:00:04.920 --> 02:00:05.239
Yes.

2107
02:00:05.340 --> 02:00:07.460
I mean, I didn't know it at the time. I mean,

2108
02:00:07.520 --> 02:00:11.399
we just switched police departments, and they absorbed us, and

2109
02:00:11.420 --> 02:00:15.239
they kind of were responsible for.

2110
02:00:14.100 --> 02:00:15.140
All the evidence, too.

2111
02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:17.100
So I don't know what happened to it after we

2112
02:00:17.939 --> 02:00:19.640
got absorbed by the sheriff's department.

2113
02:00:22.060 --> 02:00:23.680
Mr. Samson mentioned.

2114
02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:26.579
Reggie Wright Sr.

2115
02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:27.199
To you.

2116
02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:31.119
Did Reggie Wright Sr. ever ask you to work on

2117
02:00:31.149 --> 02:00:32.310
behalf of the Mob Pirates?

2118
02:00:33.050 --> 02:00:33.229
No.

2119
02:00:34.409 --> 02:00:36.630
Did you ever work on behalf of the Mob Pirates?

2120
02:00:36.890 --> 02:00:37.189
Never.

2121
02:00:37.569 --> 02:00:37.869
Okay.

2122
02:00:41.609 --> 02:00:46.859
Talking about the Burris Street faction, Mr.

2123
02:00:47.060 --> 02:00:48.100
Sanf mentioned that.

2124
02:00:49.649 --> 02:00:49.909
Mr.

2125
02:00:49.930 --> 02:00:52.909
Sanders asked me some questions about Southsiders. Darnell Brand was

2126
02:00:53.090 --> 02:00:54.770
actually in conflict with the.

2127
02:00:55.489 --> 02:00:56.850
Burr Street crew. Is that fair?

2128
02:00:57.149 --> 02:00:57.390
Yes.

2129
02:00:58.470 --> 02:01:02.819
But Michael Durow was a member of the Southside Compton Crips,

2130
02:01:03.439 --> 02:01:04.579
the Burr Street crew. Is that fair?

2131
02:01:04.739 --> 02:01:04.939
Yes.

2132
02:01:05.539 --> 02:01:07.539
I think he went by Little Owl. Is that right?

2133
02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:08.279
That is correct.

2134
02:01:18.010 --> 02:01:22.489
Were you aware that the court actually has taken judicial

2135
02:01:22.529 --> 02:01:25.369
notice of the fact that Little Owl was actually in

2136
02:01:25.470 --> 02:01:30.670
custody during the September 7, 1996 murder of Tupac Shakur?

2137
02:01:30.930 --> 02:01:31.649
That is correct.

2138
02:01:32.729 --> 02:01:35.029
Kind of hard for him to be the person responsible

2139
02:01:35.069 --> 02:01:40.579
for the murder of Tupac Shakur. Now, Orlando Anderson, he

2140
02:01:40.600 --> 02:01:42.920
was also a member of the Burris Street crew. Is

2141
02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:43.680
that fair to say? Yes.

2142
02:01:53.470 --> 02:01:55.750
And we've talked about before, Corriette versus a member of

2143
02:01:55.789 --> 02:02:00.989
the Southside Compton Crips for a street crew.

2144
02:02:01.189 --> 02:02:07.020
Yes.

2145
02:02:08.199 --> 02:02:46.130
Three cross, Mr. Sand. Thank you, Your Honor. Just a

2146
02:02:46.789 --> 02:02:52.890
couple things, sir. In terms of the publication of your book,

2147
02:02:53.569 --> 02:02:58.380
can you tell us, you said that was accurate, right? Yes,

2148
02:02:59.000 --> 02:03:00.060
I tried to be.

2149
02:03:00.060 --> 02:03:00.319
I'm sorry?

2150
02:03:01.020 --> 02:03:01.739
I tried to be.

2151
02:03:02.039 --> 02:03:05.180
No, no, and it's fine. We're not really going to

2152
02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:07.439
knock it. I just want to know that at some

2153
02:03:07.479 --> 02:03:11.449
point in here you do identify Mr. Davis as Keefie D.

2154
02:03:12.619 --> 02:03:12.939
Correct?

2155
02:03:13.199 --> 02:03:15.899
Yes. Do you recall the spelling of his name in

2156
02:03:15.920 --> 02:03:16.239
the book?

2157
02:03:17.359 --> 02:03:17.539
No.

2158
02:03:18.020 --> 02:03:20.899
Do you recall how you spelled his name? No. Would

2159
02:03:20.939 --> 02:03:23.539
review of your book help you in terms of how

2160
02:03:23.579 --> 02:03:25.680
you spelled his name in the book? Sure.

2161
02:03:33.340 --> 02:03:33.739
Okay.

2162
02:03:33.800 --> 02:03:40.039
Let me make sure I've got it here. You want

2163
02:03:40.060 --> 02:03:50.659
me to approach? You may. Okay. And just for the record,

2164
02:03:50.729 --> 02:03:52.359
how did you spell his name?

2165
02:03:52.939 --> 02:03:54.489
K-E-E-F-E.

2166
02:03:54.689 --> 02:03:57.689
All right. And do you have any reason to doubt

2167
02:03:57.710 --> 02:03:59.430
the accuracy of your spelling of his name?

2168
02:04:03.010 --> 02:04:05.109
I could be misspelled. I don't know.

2169
02:04:05.409 --> 02:04:06.350
Yeah.

2170
02:04:06.489 --> 02:04:07.449
Go ahead.

2171
02:04:07.649 --> 02:04:08.069
No, go ahead.

2172
02:04:08.630 --> 02:04:12.729
No, but in terms of, for instance, I would imagine

2173
02:04:13.289 --> 02:04:18.760
during the time period that that's not a usual name, Keefe. No.

2174
02:04:19.699 --> 02:04:23.239
And you would have learned that that name, Keepee, was

2175
02:04:23.699 --> 02:04:26.579
more of a nickname. Correct. It wasn't his birth name,

2176
02:04:26.659 --> 02:04:30.479
for instance. Correct. And in terms of that name itself,

2177
02:04:32.090 --> 02:04:36.029
you would have had, like, say, for instance, field interview cards.

2178
02:04:36.529 --> 02:04:38.829
If you ever ran across individuals, you would put their

2179
02:04:38.869 --> 02:04:42.670
names down and maybe their monikers or their street names

2180
02:04:42.729 --> 02:04:43.989
or their nicknames, for instance.

2181
02:04:44.670 --> 02:04:44.930
Correct.

2182
02:04:45.329 --> 02:04:48.609
Did you ever fill out a field interview card for Mr. Davis?

2183
02:04:49.819 --> 02:04:51.210
I don't think I ever did, no.

2184
02:04:51.430 --> 02:04:55.010
Yeah, and once again, these guilt interview cards that you

2185
02:04:55.029 --> 02:04:58.609
would have used are cards that would help law enforcement

2186
02:04:58.649 --> 02:05:03.989
identify people that potentially are gang affiliated. Yes, it does help, yes. Yeah,

2187
02:05:04.229 --> 02:05:06.770
and what usually would happen, I would assume, is that

2188
02:05:06.789 --> 02:05:10.630
when you happen upon someone that you're speaking to and

2189
02:05:10.670 --> 02:05:13.479
you identify him to be maybe a member of a gang,

2190
02:05:13.899 --> 02:05:17.340
you would write out information about him, including his nickname

2191
02:05:17.359 --> 02:05:22.939
and so forth, on a card. not they're affiliated with

2192
02:05:22.979 --> 02:05:24.460
the gang or not. Correct.

2193
02:05:24.859 --> 02:05:29.279
So in this particular regard, though, you being the detective

2194
02:05:29.319 --> 02:05:32.800
for the gang unit in Compton, which according to your.

2195
02:05:32.680 --> 02:05:34.930
Book was actually very small. At some point it starts

2196
02:05:35.010 --> 02:05:38.550
off with you and Tim as being the main gang

2197
02:05:38.670 --> 02:05:44.100
detectives in Compton. Yes. And so you had a lot

2198
02:05:44.119 --> 02:05:46.779
of people to go through, but even then, you don't

2199
02:05:46.819 --> 02:05:51.300
recall ever filling out a field interview card identifying him

2200
02:05:51.380 --> 02:05:55.659
as a gang member. No, but he self-admitted it to me.

2201
02:05:55.720 --> 02:05:58.239
I mean, we'd go out there.

2202
02:05:58.260 --> 02:06:02.039
I see the same people every day because Compton's such

2203
02:06:02.079 --> 02:06:05.539
a small city. So every time I saw someone, if

2204
02:06:05.600 --> 02:06:08.819
I stopped and filled out a field card, that's all

2205
02:06:08.880 --> 02:06:11.750
I'd be doing. So I talk to these guys and

2206
02:06:11.770 --> 02:06:13.050
they self-admitted to me.

2207
02:06:13.090 --> 02:06:17.770
They tell me their nicknames. And that's what happened with Mr.

2208
02:06:17.810 --> 02:06:18.569
Davis and I.

2209
02:06:19.850 --> 02:06:20.890
And for you to say.

2210
02:06:20.720 --> 02:06:24.119
Again, once again, this is a form of keeping records, right?

2211
02:06:24.659 --> 02:06:27.020
Is that if you ever have a police officer who's

2212
02:06:27.100 --> 02:06:30.460
not with your same knowledge and experience on those streets,

2213
02:06:30.539 --> 02:06:32.640
they can look at those billed interview cards to help

2214
02:06:32.680 --> 02:06:37.310
them determine who Mr. Davis is, right? That's correct. No

2215
02:06:37.329 --> 02:06:39.350
further questions, John? Any redirect?

2216
02:06:39.670 --> 02:06:39.880
Yes, sir.

2217
02:06:44.250 --> 02:06:45.729
With regards to Mr.

2218
02:06:45.750 --> 02:06:47.350
Davis, did he ever hide the fact that he was

2219
02:06:47.369 --> 02:06:48.729
a member of the Southside Compton Crips?

2220
02:06:49.050 --> 02:06:49.210
No.

2221
02:06:49.550 --> 02:06:51.449
Was he actually quite open and proud of the.

2222
02:06:51.409 --> 02:06:55.569
Fact that he was a member of the Southside Compton Crips?

2223
02:06:56.329 --> 02:07:02.510
Okay, I'll actually rephrase. Did Mr. Davis evince behavior that

2224
02:07:02.529 --> 02:07:05.170
made you believe that Mr. Davis was proud of being

2225
02:07:05.210 --> 02:07:06.810
a member of the Southside Compton Crips?

2226
02:07:07.479 --> 02:07:07.689
Yes.

2227
02:07:08.270 --> 02:07:13.479
And, um, To your knowledge, did he ever hide being a.

2228
02:07:13.439 --> 02:07:14.770
Member of Southside Crips?

2229
02:07:14.810 --> 02:07:18.109
No, whenever I would see Mr. Davis, he would always

2230
02:07:18.149 --> 02:07:20.289
be in the company of other Southside Crips, too.

2231
02:07:20.850 --> 02:07:23.750
And did he ever self-identify as a member of Southside Crips?

2232
02:07:23.770 --> 02:07:30.250
Yes. Is that it for you, Mr.

2233
02:07:30.270 --> 02:07:30.529
Poole?

2234
02:07:30.829 --> 02:07:32.750
Yes. Anything else, Mr.

2235
02:07:32.770 --> 02:07:34.020
Sam? No, no.