Day 5 | The Trial of Keffe D: Who Killed Tupac?

0:20 Hey, everyone, welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and of course we are deep into the KFD trial. Day five occurred on Friday. We're going to cover that. If you're not caught up, go listen to day's one through four of this podcast so you can be caught up. Of course, KEFD is standing accused of orchestrating the September seventh, nineteen ninety six drive by shitting that killed Tupac Shakur and wounded sug Night on the Las Vegas Strip. Now, by the end of the first full week of testimony, more than a witnesses had taken the stand. On Friday, which was day five, the prosecution called its sixteenth witness, a guy by the name of Leonard Jefferson. Now Jefferson, he's not a gang member, he's not a detective, he's not a former Death Row insider.

1:18 He's a man who, by a pure chance, took what is widely accepted as the last photograph of Tupac Shakur alive. And I'm sure if you followed Tupac and his death and the occurrences of that, you've seen this picture. It was snapped at a red light just minutes before the gunfire. He's in the passenger seat, he's looking at the camera and Suge Night is in the driver's seat. So he kind of told the story of what led up to this, and he said he drove up from the Los Angeles area that weekend, specifically for the Mike Tyson Bruce Selden heavyweight fight at the MGM Grand. He said he had tickets, but he never used them, and the reason for that was in the lobby of the Monte Carlow, he sold those tickets because a guy walked up to him. He said, we had planned on going to the fight, but a guy walked up to him and said, Hey, I will give you twenty five hundred dollars for year two tickets.

2:18 So he was like, screw that. He said, instead of watching that fight, he was going to be people watching, and that's when he spotted Tupac and the Death Row entourage moving through the hotel. Now, it was interesting that Jefferson wasn't a stranger back in Los Angeles. He was a car salesman and he had previously sold vehicles to people connected with Death Row Records, and he had actually been introduced to Tupac, and they had brief conversations about cars in the past, so they didn't know each other, but they knew each other well enough that if they saw each other and made eye contact, Tupac would know, hey, I know that guy, and vice versa. Now, later that night, Jefferson, after he sees them, he doesn't approach them or anything.

3:05 Tupac and is entourage. He gets in his car and he is going to pick up California Pizza Kitchen. He was hungry, leaves this hotel, he said. He stopped at a red light on Las Vegas Boulevard and next to him, who pulls up but a black BMW with sug Knight behind the wheel and Tupac in the passenger seat. So, he said, he rolls down the window and he leans over and he says, hey, what up. Pot Tupac, he said, did a double take and immediately upon seeing him, recognizes him, and he just says, hey, man, what up. Jefferson then asked where they were headed, and Tupac said they were going to the six six two club, and he said, hey man, why don't you follow us? Jefferson's response was all right, cool, he said, hey, man, let me get a picture real quick, and he hit a camera. These aren't the cell phones of today where you take a picture from your cellphone. This he was literally a thirty five millimeter camera that you have to wind the film back, take a picture, and then wind it again. That's what he had. He snaps the picture, the light turns green, and the BMW pulls away with Jefferson following a few cars behind them. And there was a comical statement that he made after that, and he said, immediately, I called California Pizza Kitchen and cancel my order because he's going to party with Tupac and the crew now, right. So he gets on the phone. He's actually talking to California Pizza Kitchen and he said he hears pop pop, pop pop.

4:38 He said he knew immediately it was gunshots. And he said when he looked up, the cars in the caravan ahead of him had stopped. He said, people were scrambling around the BMW. He saw them struggling with the door and then pulling Tupac out of the passenger's side. He said he then noticed bike officers arriving fast and guns drawn very quickly. A the gun is drawn on him. He's ordered out of his vehicle at gunpoint, and he's detained briefly, he said. He was eventually released and went back to his hotel. He said a short time later an officer located him at his hotel and brought him back to the scene, telling him quote they had messed up.

5:18 Jefferson was in photographed with other people near the scene that night. He told the police that he had taken the picture of Tupac and Shug a few minutes before the shooting. So the police said, well, we need to get that film. He was kind enough to give that to him, and he did say that they developed the film and then returned the film back to him, and that's when he realized, Man, I've got the last picture of Tupac alive. So on the stand, Prosecutor Palau he walked Jefferson through that timeline, the FEDO itself, the locations on the map, and Jefferson also confirmed that he did not see the shooter or the white cattle that pulled alongside of Tupac and Shug when the shooting rang out.

6:05 He said his vantage point was actually behind vehicles that were in the death Row caravan. So at that point, the defense takes over and they cross examined him. It's very brief. They noted that the photo that he had taken of Tupac, that last photo of him alive, had been licensed and used in books over the years, and that Jefferson had given permission. And the reason they bring this up, there's nothing wrong with doing that. I assuming that what they're trying to do is say, hey, this guy's trying to make money on Tupac's death because people that have used that photo. Obviously he gets a little bit change on that. So Jefferson also addressed the conspiracy theories that have swirled online for years. Absolutely ridiculous. People claimed that this was a big set up by this guy and it's because he's in the film industry now and they say all of this was set up and Tupac's still alive and this guy's behind it. Absolutely ridiculous.

7:03 He did ask a little bit of that, and of course this guy said the same thing. I just told you. It's totally absurd. A jury did question him and asked whether he remembered the name of the detective who spoke to him when he was brought back to the scene, and Jefferson answered Kevin Manning, not sure why that matters, but they wanted to know, and that was essentially the end of his testimony. It was clean, it was direct. There were no major like fireworks or anything with it. But it was pretty powerful because it was a civilian who knew Tupac casually from the car business in la and who just happened to be at that red light at the right moment, and who captured the final image of the rapper before bullets flew on Flamingo Road in Las Vegas. So he gets dismissed from the stand and then the prosecution calls it's seventeenth witness, a guy by the name of Mario Diaz. Now Diaz also not gang member, also not a detective, and he's not even an eye witness to the shooting. He's actually a documentary director. In twenty seventeen, he was brought on to a project that became a six part BEET series known as Death Row Chronicles.

8:17 I watched the series. It was really good and it covers the rise and fall of death Row records. He had some pretty high profile consultants on that, a former LAPD detective Greg Cating, who is the one that wrote the book that I was telling you about in days three and four of this series. He was included in that documentary. KEEVD was included in that documentary. Suge Knight was included in that documentary. So DIZ he conducted a couple of formal on camera interviews with KEVD as part of this series, and each of those interviews ran about two hours. They were done in a studio, cameras of course rolling and DZ said the interviews were not screw now.

9:00 He also said he didn't provide questions in advance to KEFD. He said, this was all kind of off the cuff. He knew what he wanted to ask, but he didn't have any roles that he had to follow with KVD on what he could ask. And so at that point, the jury gets played the clips from these two particular interviews, and then at that point they also see a clip of a sizzlerel, which, if y'all don't know what a sizzlerell is, it's a promotion. It's like a movie trailer that gets people fired up to watch a documentary. In that siesle rel, KEFD appears and he says words that I would say now have become central to the prosecution's case, one of those being quote, I'm the only one alive who can really tell you the story about Tupac. I got cancer and I got nothing else to lose now.

9:50 Clips from episodes five and six, the ones that dig deep into the Tupac murder investigation, were also shown and in In those segments, the production alternated between twenty seventeen interviews with KEFD in audio from kvd's two thousand and eight profit interview with law enforcement, and DS testified that he had made the decision to intercut the two sources himself because he wanted as complete a picture as possible. They did ask him about the money that KFD got paid. DS said he couldn't remember the exact amount, but it was between ten thousand and twenty thousand dollars to participate, and then the defense they cross examined DS on how the project got together, and I kind of bullet pointed some of the questions if they asked him. One of those was did you hand him the check before interviews?

10:45 The answer was no. Another question was how did the production obtain the two thousand and eight profit recording, because that was part of the documentary, and he answered it was given to me by either Mike Dorsey or Greg Kating. I can't remember which, and to my knowledge it was Greg Kating because he was secretly recording that two thousand and eight profer meeting. That's to my knowledge. I'm not one hundred percent positive on that, but I'm ninety nine percent positive. Another question was did Dwayne Davis have any rights to approve or edit what went into the series? He responded no to that. Another question was was the profher used to compare or confirm the story he was telling for TV? The answer to that was yes, and after that he gets excused. He was on the stand for about an hour, so with his testimony, the jury got to see and hear keithy D years after the shooting in an interview, saying he was the only living person who could tell the story because he had nothing left to lose. Right, that's pretty damning for Keefd. The prosecution then called it's eighteenth witness a guy by the name of Michael Dorsey. He's a true crime special list and a documentary producer. He was also involved in this six part documentary that was put out by Beet. He told the journey. He had been making documentaries for about twenty five years, primarily focusing on true crime, and he

12:16 said around late twenty twelve, Greg Kating's book Murder Rap had been out for about a year. Dorsey said he read articles that included quotes from kvd's two thousand and eight Profer interview and that everything sounded legitimate to him, So he said, I reached out to Kating and asked him if he wanted to make a documentary, and Kating said yes. Dorsey said he spent more than two years researching and producing the film Murder Rap Inside the Biggie and Tupac murders, and he said Kating was the primary guide through the story. Bud Dorsey insisted on independent verification. He wouldn't just rely on Kating, he said, and so, he said, Kating turned over digital copies of all the LAPD case files on both the Tupac and Biggie investigations so Dorrisey could check out the claims for himself that Caving was making. He said he also read Kathy Scott's earlier book known as the Killing of Tupac Shakur, and he also watched extensive news covers so he was covering his bases there, and he said his goal was to get to the truth and tell the public a story that he knew was factual. He said investigators essentially solved the murder, while the wider world still treated it as an unsolved mystery. Dorsey was also candid about the risk involved.

13:35 He said he worried about his personal safety because, I mean, let's face it, he was accusing a member of a violent street gang of murder. He said he also worried about the financial and legal risk of implicating Sean Puffy Combs, who at the time was still a relatively clean public image type person. He was on his way to becoming a billionaire, and he was a little worried about that. He said he was ever sued, however, He said Universal Music sent a routine note about fair use on a Tupac diss track that he used in the documentary, and he said his lawyers had already cleared it. He said Puffy's high power attorney sent a letter to Apple TV, which was one of the distributors of this documentary, calling the film defamatory and demanding it be pulled within five business days. However, Apple left the decision to producers and they kept it up and he said that was the last he heard of it or they heard of it.

14:33 And that's pretty common A lot of times. These lawyers will make threats. They know they can't do anything about it because you're not doing anything wrong, but they're trying to scare you into just taking something down when they have no intention of really suing you for anything. I've been through that myself. Fast forward to early twenty seventeen, Dorsey was in Tulsa for a film and he was screening it when someone sent him a short YouTube video of Keithy D the studio. In that video, KEVD said he was going public that he had cancer and he wanted the world to know he was there the night Tupac was killed. Dorsey said he stepped outside of that restaurant and he started making calls. He and others were shocked.

15:15 He said, KEEFD appeared ready to repeat elements of the two thousand and eight profer in a fully public setting that could later be used against him, and he knew that was crazy. And of course he's talking about the bet Death Row Chronicle series, and that's how he said he got involved in that series was He was retained as a technical consultant and expert for that series. Now he helped Mario Diaz, the prior witness, prepare questions for the two twenty seventeen interviews that he conducted with KEIFD that were a part of that series. He testified that after Death Row Chronicle interviews, KEFD continued to speak publicly.

15:57 He said he promoted his book meaning Keify his book Compton Street Legend, and did additional interviews, including on Vlad TV. I remember when that actually came out, I watched it. Dorsey said he engaged with the case the entire time. He said he conducted his own interviews with news sources. He said James mob James McDonald's first ever public interview in twenty seventeen was with him and he helped convince him to go on the record. He said he also spoke with other gang members, Compton Detectives, LAPD Detectives, and anybody else who would have information on either the Tupac or the Biggie cases. Now at the same time he was working as a consultant on Death Row Chronicles, he was also in production on the scripted series Unsolved at Universal, which was based on KVD Tupac murder, the whole deal, and so at that point he gets dismissed from the stand.

16:57 And something I haven't talked about yet was what occurred prior to his testimony on that stand, and that was a complete multi hour recording of a two thousand and nine interview with the Las Vegas Police that Keefyd did. They played the whole thing, and a lot came up during this interview. Now, I just bullet pointed what I thought were the more important points rather than to play you an actual four hour interview of those important points. Davis expressed regret about Tupac's death, saying he wished it never would have happened, that it had affected his entire life since he said he and his crew, which were the South Side Compton Krupps, were in Las Vegas for the Mike Tyson Bruce Selden fight at the MGM Grand on September seventh, nineteen ninety six, and they drove up in a white Cadillac.

17:47 He said. After the fight, Tupac, Shug and the entourage attacked his nephew Orlando Baby Lane Anderson in the MGM Grand lobby over a prior dispute involving a death road check. Anderson then reported this beating to Davis KEFD, and Anderson believed his arm had been broken or seriously injured. He said the attack provided a ultimate green light for retaliation. Davis and his group went looking for Tupac, Sugar and others. They spotted Tupac later on hanging out the window of a black BMW driven by Sugar Night near Las Vegas Boulevard and Flamingo. He said people were yelling Tupac, Tupac, and he described those as girls going crazy on the corner and that Tupac was just hanging out that window like he was at a parade. Davis said he was in the front passenger seat of the white Cadillac with others including Anderson and DeAndre, who has known as Big Drey Smith. In the back, he said bubble up Terrence Brown was the driver, and behind KEVD directly was his nephew Orlando Anderson. Davis said he had the forty caliber handgun, which was a glock. Initially, he said because the BMW was on the opposite passenger side of the car, it prevented a clear shot across the driver, so he passes the handgun to the back seat. He said he passed it to Smith Big Dre and he said he was acting scared about it. He said at that point his

19:18 nephew said give it here, I'll shoot grabs. The gun rolls down the window, leans over, fires approximately five to six shots into the BMW at Tubaccin Chuck. And Davis also said if the cars had been positioned on his side, he would have quote blasted them himself. He said after the shooting, the group parked the Cadillac behind the carriage House hotel, placed the gun on the front passenger side tire, and that Orlando disappeared for about twenty minutes, David said. Anderson Orlando Anderson claimed he went to quote pee on his hands. Can't make that up, to wash gunpowder residue off of them, and he said it was street stuff.

19:58 Now some claims the keif he made. He said he made eye contact with Sugar Knight during that shooting, and it's important to remember they knew each other. They played Pop Warner football together. And he said sug definitely recognized him, and that's interesting because Sugar has never come out and turned over on somebody and said I know Keevy d was in that car. I'll give him credit for that. Now. As far as post shooting movements, he described that a little bit. He said they left Las Vegas the next morning in a buick with others, including Baby Lane. He said he was concerned about the Cadillac being spotted that they did the shooting in. And he said there was limited discussion on where the gun was. He only knew they left it on a tire. He claims he has no idea where that gun went to from there. He described a meeting with the South Side Creps back in Compton after returning from that shooting, and he said, no one is to ever talk about this, et cetera, or we're all going to get to jail. And in this warning, detectives pressed him on possible payments involved by showing Puffy Combes, Diddy and others like Diddy's associate Zip Keefyd said his group did not get paid. As a matter of fact, this is such a big deal and this is probably the key to this whole recording. It's only about ten minutes in length. I'm gonna play you everything he said right now as it relates to.

21:28 Puff Puffy Combs. Does he play a role in this scene? Answer the question directly tell him what you think he did? He play a role. They don't have to say to tell it. Yeah, I think he did. Okay, I heard he's he was. The rumor I heard was he was directly involved. Uh. Going back to let's come money involves money wise, Yes, we did. We didn't get paid. Okay, you didn't get paid. Do you believe you paid somebody? Did somebody get paid for this? To your knowledge? If more knowledge, what do you believe? Gen none have a di didn't get the money and go on you okay then you yeah, ad no more, that's another point someone else or what? Yeah, then answer the question I'm saying, tell 'em what you think. Do you think somebody got paid? Yeah? Zip, Zip got paid. That's what we think. Yeah, that's what the word over the street. You think Zip set it up?

22:37 The Zip got paid. Mkay, that's what he's telling you. No shit, Zip, you think Zip got paid? Yeah, y'all bout hell over the street. What how about? How much money do you think Zip got paid? I don't know nothing that you have no idea, but Zip's living pretty good right now. Huh Yeah, so it's uh, uh, Uppy what's your name? Told me you? Uh, what's your name? D mac t mat? Who's dnat serious? Right? Say? Oh? Okay, okay, alright, what did he dmact tell you? Should? Uh? They fell all behind that puffing uh zip there cause you got paid and you fell uh we pull.

23:27 That uh biggies back out here? What do he got killed? So they fell out? They even speaking or nothing? Sh Yeah they shit you? What is out the money? Y'all heard? Is that? Right? Kay? Did have you ever had personal contact with Puppy? Should that happen? No? Anything? Oh cause it was like hold on though, oh you s you know Puppy? Yeah, okay, do with it and he knows you. Yeah, so you've had contact with him prior to the events in las Ags? Yeah? Yeah, okay, did Puff ever indicate to you?

24:08 Keep this not i'm'a you don't mind me, but now no, yeah, keep explain to him your relationship with puff and Zip and you know, did Touffy. Taking interest and having Sugar anybody killed over here? Okay, Okay, let's go right to the point there. Okay, explain that to him. Yeah, yeah, he was started scared of the guy and he we was at our hotel. Was he like, man, I was getting be anything for that dude? Yeah? Who who we talking about saying that? He said that for which wan'm puffy or zip all that puff says talking about. Okay, I would do anything what that boy said for that boy's head referring to who sure shure okay? Why because he was afraid of him? Yeah? Yeah, real, he was real scared of the guy.

24:56 How wuh it was like forty five was in the room that he said that shit the fair ring before everybody. Did he ever offer anything or wasn't he implying that he paid to have it done? Yeah? Yeah, yeah he inquired or he said it he should. What did he say, Oh shit, I'll give any people that do head, I mean specific a dollar how they talk, but he's what he says he meant and anything. Did he kind of throw out a number, I'll give a million dollars I'll give what did he saying something like that? He was just like he didn't give anything? So was it for the millions? Un? That's that mean big? Just some little game that was gover to street like okay, we would try that cool? But he never had puff as far as you know, never said I'll give you a specific dollar amount.

25:42 He had said no specific dollar amount, but he w he wanted to man's head going. Okay, what about did Puff have any problems Puffy? He have any problems with two Bac? How about that? Uh? Yeah, that record came out sold? He was a baggot and all that shit? Right then did he ever say anything specific? Did Puff ever say any specific about to park that you know of? Put it this way, what he's saying is, you know you have the issue that should and that he wanted should dead. But they did. Puffy seemed to express an. Interest in Tupac, was like, maybe something happened in Tupac. Then he said, popcast Tupac? But yeah, what on the dude though?

26:24 Yeah, I did he think we got to have some you know, he got the all the shit stories, Wanna said. Tupac was the one that starting to, uh this story, that's what he was asking me for. I'm sorry, that's okay, I under I M I'm understand. The night of the events in my space. Yeah, didn't Puffy ever come up? Did anything in the conversation where Puffy come up? I'm sorry the the no he wasn't. No. Oh, if we were at my office, we would be having snacks. And oh here you want because you know I got it like that. But over year, you know, it's like a little budget. What are your windows in the room?

27:06 What do you think you so thin for? I'm telling you started resting with him? You start after that? Yeah? Did some water? Okay? On did anything come up about Puffy that night that night? Yes? About Puffy that night? Yes? Did any conversation about Puffy the night of the night of the incident Law's. Face after the shooting during the June after any other were like, damn we get paid now? Okay from and that was meant because we didn't even know the winter was shot. But you paid right? But when you said, hey been paid by Puffy? Right, paid by Puffy to Orlando and your crew didn't. Were there ever ever any you ever give you some money? Okay? Did he ever give you any money? He didn't ever give it? Was there any efforts made conversations get paid by Yeah? Okay, tell me about that. When when at zip?

28:06 Uh pretty much that the words Zip being I wherever the name wasn't get the like again? Yeah? Right, what what's y'all mean at uh at the Hotway place on uh the bread in third Street? Kay? Then uh we describe the conversation we like, uh is it? Is it just that y'all have and Zip ers Therey Moore interests joke? Okay? Get uh they read in the house the long guns, right? Or then we really need that money down, you know what I'm saying. So he do got millions of dollars to go against us, you know what I'm saying? Right? Yeah? And uh, he didn't didn't get back with us. Now what what did he say when that conversation they play? Did he say, i'm'a check with you, i'm'a to get back off feet? Yeah, I feel like getting back on the Yeah, I'm sure you send you on some monkey. Zip said he was gonna make sure who sent you some money? Poh okay?

29:00 And is there any talk about how much? Oh? Is it didn't say how much? Uh, I had a lot of money. You make them on, so don't worry. Put your hands, that's okay. Did Zip ever indicate how much he was gonna try to get from pop? Nah? Yeah? Ever? Really okay, we just we need some money, okay. But the point is way you since you mentioned you had your money he was you mean money it was Lily Orlando's and money for what they did. Yeah, oh okay, okay, Now you think Zip got paid by Puff at some point? Yeah? What makes you think that? As out that out? Uh out the fizz. I wouldn't let him maybe two years? What do you mean you you got the FEDS. He was in the FATS visiting for awhile. Oh yeah okay, So where did you go in yeah? Uh ninety eight? When did you come out?

29:55 Two thousand two? Mkay? And uh you think it during that time period Zip got paid Yeah by Puppy. Yeah, cause when you got out what she was that when you when you got out what happened? It made you feel that Zip got paid. Use Ji nightclub or a three story of shit, all kind of cards. Then we do okay in the in the in the four years he had a ball that shit when yeah, Kay, do you have her? Did you ever try to get a contact with you? Yes? W never I ou Oh he never call back you let message? He never got your back. Yeah, go for a few when I go. Puppy didn't got you back, but I I had seen him one after everything went down.

30:45 I seen him, you. Saw who I seen puppy at the uh popa moves. Okay, Uh he came to the card. Yeah, he have to scared of us. I what he too? If I would you money, I'd be afraid of you for Yeah, he didn't wanna pay it too. So what'd you say when he came to the car. Yeah, he was just uh like you. He was telling us come comedy at the hotel. Room to the Hilton. Yeah woo. So he actually then we have some meat and stuff. But that motherfucker that he never took his eyes off bubbles though at all. I and y'all to go to the hotel. No, we ain't going here. You're a real gangster.

31:27 And well he's he's a he's a rapper. But let me st when I'm when I'm trying to you really don't consider this stuff to be I'm a grandfather, I have four grandkids. Tell uh, so I have to try to go to the NFL. Be wrong? Okay, you should have seen probably your family. Man. I ain't crazy. Yeah, ye tell me about when I'm down in history. But you're not right. No, okay, you're not a game mom today, I understand like the Italians. But I what I'm saying, what I'm trying to get across is he's a rapper. Yeah, I mean he's he's got these street dudes. You're street. He didn't, and I mean you you lived the life right exactly. I would. I would definitely if I owed you money, I would be afraid too. I mean, you gotta you've got a group of people that would jump at your bid, right that not necessarily I'm not I'm not going on. What I'm trying to say is I don't just understandable and.

32:27 There's people around you to do things necessarily, whether or not you tell him trying to happen to agress. You, that makes sense. Did he What I'm what I'm trying to build to here is did he make any comments or say anything at that time trying to make things right with you? When he approached the car, you knew that he knew it was a problem. So did he say, like you think that's why I say it comes it over here? Or would indicate anything about zip? Did he say that there was a he just said? You just say, doesn't he just bet you? He just was in the window room talking to me he did, he packed up and it was girls all over even you. Still he watched the car. He wouldn't pay it, just none girls, cause the al was trippling on the car like this mother fuck the skin.

33:11 But do you think that he went to the hotel. If you went to the hotel, he's gonna pay y'all Or why y'all didn't go? You would? You would have the money? Then wait, you go get your money? Cause who was y'all doing something else? That do uh? Bombb while y'all was in your own thing and were doing something. But okay, I heat a bunch of center. Didn't see bomb be. But you believe Zip got paid. That's the word on the streets. That's where else mand you? You hit her? Ever had a conversation with Zip about the uh blockage in the payment route. I ain't seen Zip since then, and then you haven't talked to us. That uh since I seen him on the houseings I seen him this summer. I wanted to ask the mother for whore my mother for the money yet or play wo they wouldn't live it.

33:58 Oh, but he didn't have a conversation, wasn't That's what's clear. You wasn't the talking about your money. Later that answers no, no, okay. So there you have it. You heard it. In that clip, he described his connections to Sean Combs, how he met him through Zip et cetera. He said that he had strong negative feelings about meeting Combs. I wish I'd never met Puff Daddy. He messed up my life. And he indicated attempts to collect payment after the shooting we're supposedly unsuccessful. Now it's important to say Combs has of course denied any involvement in this. It's up to I guess a journey now to see what they think about that. But supposedly this payment was made to Zip, and Zip never paid EVD that million dollars. But I found that very interesting and it will also be interesting to see if that ever goes anywhere. So after that was done, everything for this day, day five of this trial was completed, and as I have been doing each episode, I try to give you a little information on the legal players in the case. We've talked about the judge, the defense attorney.

35:13 Today I'm going to cover one of the two main prosecutors in that case, and that is Binu Palial and I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that, but I'm going with Pliau. And he has worked for the Clark County DA's office for many years. He was a deputy district attorney roughly twenty twelve to twenty sixteen, and then onwards from that he became the chief Deputy District Attorney. This started in twenty seventeen. He's a very long time serving prosecutor in the office under District Attorney Stephen Wolfson. And he has appeared in the twenty sixteen reality series Las Vegas Law as himself a deputy district attorney. Now he graduated from the University of Whiskey hunts In law school. This was in two thousand and four. He was admitted to that bar the same year. And he's a career public prosecutor, never been in a defense attorney. He has more than a decade as a prosecutor, actually approaching two decades now of experience with the Clark County DA's office. He rose to chief deputy and now he is taking a lead role in one of the most closely watched cold case prosecutions in recent US history. And that's pretty interesting, and I'll say he's doing a pretty good job. One thing that drives me nuts about this guy is when he was talking about the sixty six y two club, and he made this point to several witnesses. And here's the

36:44 point he was trying to make. Sixt' six'. Two if you look at it on a, phone there's letters right under the, numbers and those numbers and letters correspond to each. Other if you look at six six' two on a, phone dial it spells out Mob moob and, that's, intentional right that's why they called that Club In las Vegas At shug knight owned the sixt' six 's. Two club but the way he brings us up and he explains it to the person that, he's questioning is, he says, you know back in, the day when you had landlines and you looked on, the phones the letters and numbers. Would correspond but y'all pick up your. Cell phone it still does. That today and he has made this point like.

37:28 THREE times i don't. Know why it draws me, So crazy but all you got, To Do prosecutor paliw is pick up your phone, and look they still correspond letters. In numbers so there you. HAVE it i have no idea why that. Irks me it. Just, does nonetheless an experienced prosecutor that has done a. Good job and THAT'S all i have for. You today i'll be back tomorrow with another update on. This case we'll be looking into. Date six thank you so much. For listening if you're enjoying what, you're hearing please share the content wherever. You're listening we can use all the help we can, get there and check Out The patreon patreon dot Com slash exposed podcast files if you'd like to help support. The show could not do it without all.

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