Crime Wire Weekly 8/8/25 | Aaron Spencer Gag Order Lifted, Fort Stewart Shooting, Tik-Tok Deputy’s Sexual Frustration (Preview)

0:12 All right, folks, we got a lot to cover today in the world of crime related news. In Georgia, five soldiers are shot and a fellow soldier is in custody. In Louisiana, a state trooper is arrested after assaulting a dating partner. And also in Louisiana, a domestic violence situation turns deadly in a murder suicide. More details have come out in the Arkansas case of Aaron Spencer. This is a dad who killed a guy molesting his thirteen year old daughter. In Facts, I counted the emails and messages I received on this case, over twenty separate messages and requests to cover this story. TikToker is arrested in Arizona after conducting a series of TikTok pranks. In Tennessee, a suspect in a quadruple killing is arrested. A Texas deputy who said she was sexually frustrated on social media. She's in some trouble of her room now with her Texas Sheriff's Association. We'll get into that. All this and much more today. Welcome to Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman.

1:26 And I'm Kelly Jennings. What is going on, Jimmy thief. It's going good. You're back in the studio. I am, I man. I needed that vacation. We all do. Yeah, but it was so down hot. It was beautiful from the pictures you took. Yeah, and we stayed. We went a whole week and we stayed at the pool. We went to the beach once and I got pissed off because it was too hot. Right, I don't mind. It was hot and I had seaweed in my in my swimsuit. Well, seaweed in your swimsuit from the one day you went to the beach. Yes, it was very thick on the edge of the water. We can't have seaweed in your swimsuit. kJ makes things just real weird, noe. And we're going to start out at Fort Stewart. This is in Georgia and Fort Stewart incidentally the largest military base in the country. An Army sergeant has opened fire at Fort Stewart. This was on Wednesday, shooting five soldiers, prompting a brief lockdown, and very few details outside of that are available as to what led to this. The suspected shooter has been identified by US officials as Logistics Sergeant Cornelius Radford. He's twenty eight. He has not previously been deployed to combat, so I guess they make a note of that in case anyone wanted to say that he had any sort of PTSD issues going on. Radford opened fire at his workplace using a personal handgun and not his military issued weapon. The shooting happened at the

3:00 second Armored Brigade Combat Team area of the base. In law enforcement was dispatched to the area. That was at ten fifty six am on Wednesday. The alleged shooter was apprehended just about thirty minutes later at eleven thirty five am. Soldiers in the area who witnessed the shooting immediately and without hesitation, tackled the shooter and Radford was taken into custody. Now, the Army said it's investigating the shooting and they are still of course, with this being early on in the investigation, many unanswered questions, what are the condition of the soldiers, the scope of the injuries, the name of the shooter, as well as any possible motive. We do have the name of the shooter, but why he did it is really the question. The Army won't release names of the injured until they notify family members, of course, and we all understand that, and they're not going to speculate on the motive. They're going to really dive deep into this investigation to try to figure out why this guy would go off and just shoot five soldiers. This is a mass shooting, right, officials did say. However, all five victims thankfully or in stable condition. They're all expected to survive, and three of them have already had surgery. All of these soldiers were treated on site and then they were moved to Win Army Community Hospital for further treatment, and some of the wounded were taken to what's known as

4:31 Memorial Health University Medical Center in Savannah, Georgia. That hospital is very well known for top level treatment and as far as it relates to trauma in the state of Georgia. Now, the latest acts of violence in a US military installation site. You know, these sites are supposed to be secure. They're supposed to be the most secure in the country. I mean, you have guard shacks everywhere. These are military bases. It's not easy to get on and off. However, when it's one of your own, you can't. You can't secure against that now. White House and Defense Department officials said President Donald Trump and Secretary Peak Pete Hegseth have been briefed on the shooting. The FBI was at the fort also to help investigate that shooting. That from Deputy Director Dan Bongino.

5:26 White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt shared a message on x saying the President had been briefed on the shooting at Fort Stewart. The quote, the President had been briefed at the shooting Fort Stewart. I swear to God that's how the article just read. The White House is monitoring the situation, broke Caroline Lovett. Georgia Governor Brian Kemp said he is keeping the victims, their families and all those who answer the call to serve in their prayers and it's now. This base is located forty miles south west of Savannah. It is the largest Army post east of the Mississippi River. It's home to thousands of soldiers assigned to the Army's third Infantry Division and their family members.

6:13 And if you're curious, one of the deadliest acts of violence on US military bases was a two thousand and nine US Army psychiatrist who attacked and killed thirteen people. Remember that, you remember that in a shooting that left more than thirty wounded at Fort Hood, which is a Texas military base. In twenty thirteen, a defense contractor, contract worker and former Navy reservists killed twelve people at the Washington Navy Yard. He was then killed in a gun battle with police. In twenty fourteen, a soldier opened fire on his fellow service members at Ford Hood, again killing three people and wounding more than a dozen before killing himself.

6:59 And twenty nineteen, an aviation student open fire in a classroom at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola. I've been there in Florida. That's where the Blue Angels fly out. They are so sick. Sorry, I don't go to get off task. That is so sick. Yeah. Well, this aviation student actually killed three people and injured another dozen people, including two sheriff's deputies. Just days earlier from that shooting, a US Navy pilot rather US Navy sailors, shot two people to death before killing himself at Pearl Harbor, which we all know, that's a naval station in Waii. So prayers to those families. And I know these are these are the situations where obviously everyone wants to know why, and they're looking for someone to blame.

7:46 I think would be another thing. A lot of people do want to how could this happen? You know, who is responsible for this? Ultimately it's the shooter. He is responsible for this, And I don't know. You know, human behavior is not predictable. Responses to things I think are somewhat in a realm of predictability. You know, if you get punched in the face, you'll jump back, or if you're you know, someone yells at you, you might get scared or something if you're a kid. But but to expect someone to come in and just open fire on the on the team, it's just the ultimate betrayal. Yeah, it's it's you know. What I mean by the team, like we're all nonsensical. I mean, it's it's just like you know, expect you see it a lot with these mass shootings where there is no why they did it. I mean, there's never a good enough reason to do it, right. So, you know, I guess we'll get answers at some point, but they're going to do an investigation before they really release anything of substance.

8:39 And what we're gonna get is that he was pissed off about something and that he is obviously maladapted to response, or they're going to say, what mental illness. Well, I mean he cleared some kind of checkpoints, so you know, I don't either way. You didn't kill anybody, and so for that, I'm thankful you. Uh yeah, I mean think thankfully all these It looks like all of these soldiers are going to survive and good and these are already here raise even before they have to. And junk right on jumped right in and took his ass down. Yeah, oh, rah Man, good job, y'all, good job, seriously, good job. You saved more lives than you probably we would ever be able to count because we. Don't know with the extent this could have been. So that's right, excellent, All right, Well, let's come right here in our neck of the woods in.

9:23 Louisiana, Louisiana. I think you know this case pretty well with me, Jimmothy. But a Louisiana State trooper is sitting in an East Feliciana jail after a woman claimed he battered her overnight. The trooper, Derek Parrish, thirty eight was taken into custody on charges of battery of a dating partner and arrest. Warrant shows the trooper followed a woman into her bedroom, where he forced her down on the bed, screamed in her face, and bit her. Jimy bit her. I've heard of canine officers, but they usually handle canines. They don't usually become the canine. The East Feliciana Parish Sheriff's office was to the residence in the seventy nine hundred block of Highway sixty three, and investigators noted her cheekbones showed heavy bruising and swelling. She also had bruising on her wrists and fingers and complained that she could not breathe.

10:11 Investigators noted that he had been drinking. Sources say that Parish is a road trooper in the troop A area. A social media post from twenty fifteen welcomed Parish as one of their newest members to join the ranks. Bond was set at twenty five thousand dollars stay. Police tell us that once he posts bond, he will be placed on administrative leave. What do you think about that. Jim, Well, I'm gonna prophes us with of course these charges are alleged, but if true, no one likes a dirty cop, especially one that beats on women. And it's fucking disgusting. And you lost your man card, in my opinion, that's what I think about it. Yeah, well he lost his man card when he was personally a jerk. To me, I dealt with this guy personally, and hey, I think that karma is a bitch.

10:56 I'll leave it at that. I would. I would concur. I've come across some amazing officers, troopers, you know, and he is the epitome of what makes the bad name ye for troopers. Yeah, and I can tell you that good troopers and good state policemen they don't want that ship on their force either. No, they they don't want that either. You know. Good policemen can't stay in ship like this. So this is this is a him issue and not a police issue. This is just he happened to be a policeman. Well he is probably not anymore. Sorry you lose, He'll get He'll get what he deserves, that's for sure in this situation.

11:40 Should those charges be proven as. Accurate, good luck, Derek. We're gonna move to Arkansas. Now. Look, let me say something before I cover this story, and I mentioned this at the top of this broadcast, but I have gotten so many requests over the last really month to cover this case on some sort of podcast, and when I dug into it, I see why. So let's get into this case. After an Arkansas Supreme Court ordered the courts to be made public, we now have a clear picture of what happened the knight Aaron Spencer killed Michael Fossler, lanok County man who had previously been arrested and charged with sexual offenses against Spencer's teenage daughter. The court records had been sealed pursuant to a broad gag order from the circuit Judge Barbara Elmore, but last month, the Arkansas Supreme Court struck down the gag order and criticized Elmore's actions.

12:48 According to records obtained by the Arkansas Time, Spencer initially called nine to one one just after one am on October eighth of twenty twenty four to report his thirteen year old daughter missing. Spencer told police he had been awakened by his dog barking, went to his daughter's room to check on her and saw she was missing. He said he suspected she was with Fossler, who was sixty seven. Was sixty seven, who had been arrested in July and charged with forty three counts, including sexual assault of a miner and Internet stalking of a child, related to Fosslor's pursuit of Spencer's then thirteen year old daughter. The arrest affidavit for Spencer said he went to look for his daughter Anne Fossler, after calling nine to one one the first time, the Lonoke County Sheriff's Office contacted Cabot Police to ask them to check a specific address. Prior to hearing back from Cabot Police, however, nine one one Dispatch gets a second call from Spencer, who said he had located the man who kidnapped his daughter, and he had located his daughter, but that Fosslor was dead on the side of the road and that he quote had no choice.

14:05 The affidavit contained Spencer's recounts of how the deadly interaction unfolded. Spencer saw Fosslor's white Ford F one fifty turn onto the highway towards Fossler's home. He turned around and chased Fosslor's vehicle, flashing his lights and honking his horn in an effort to get Fosslor to pull over. When the two vehicles arrived at an intersection, Spencer rammed his truck into the rear of Fosslor, sending the F one fifty into a ditch. Spencer then stated he exited the vehicle with his firearm in his hand, ordered Fosslor out of his vehicle and to lay down in the ditch. Spencer stated that he observed his daughter exiting the passenger's side of that vehicle, but it appeared that Fosslor had grabbed her and stopped her from getting out. Spencer then stated Fossler exited his vehicle and had something in his hand, but Spencer did not know what it was was. Spencer stated Fossler lunched towards him, saying fuck you. Spencer stated he then opened fire on Fossler, emptying his weapon before jumping on top of him and pistol whipping him. Spencer then stated he got his daughter out of the vehicle and returned to the truck, where he reloaded his weapon and called nine to one one. According to the police report, Spencer shot Fosster in the chest, arms, and abdomen with a glock nineteen. The report did not say how many times each body part was hit, though a standard magazine for the glock nineteen holds fifteen rounds. Regarding the pistol

15:38 whipping of Fossler, the report noted there was blood on the outside of the weapon when police discovered it. Spencer bonded out of the low note kind of jail the following day. In the case quickly drew attention both inside Arkansas and beyond. On November twenty seventh, the prosecutor's charged Spencer with second degree murder in commission of felony with a firearm. That same day, Spencer's attorneys issued a statement calling Spencer a decorated warrior who protected his country and a loving father whose heroic actions protected his family. They said Falslor repeatedly violated his child and kidnapped her in the dark of the night to continue his assaults on her.

16:23 The statement criticized prosecutors for bringing charges against Spencer at all, accused prosecutors of perpetrating these horrors instead of protecting legitimate victims and punishing true criminal offenders, and thank those who had voiced their outrage over the treatment of airing his child and the rest of his family the outrage they had suffered. The following week, prosecutors added Judge Elmore for an order preventing Spencer's attorneys and anyone else from saying anything about the case. Spencer's attorneys filed a nineteen page response to the prosecutor's motion. In less than thirty minutes later, Elmore granted the prosecutor's motion and entered into a gag order.

17:05 She also sealed the entire case file, but despite the fact that neither side requested it. Spencer appealed that order, and in March, the Arkansas Supreme Court stayed the case pending their decision. On March twenty ninth, the High Court struck down the gag order and sent the case back to Lonoke County for further proceedings. A pre trial hearing is now scheduled for August eighth, and a five day trial is scheduled to begin September twenty second. I promise you I'll be following. That absolutely, And I may be mistaken, but I think that his wife may have reached out to me. When did this happen? What was the date or what does it say?

17:45 It was? Back in twenty twenty four. Yeah, I think his wife may have reached out to me too back then, and I was kind of like, well, I wonder if there's more to this story. But I'll tell you this right now. Just looking at this article, and only looking at this article, that charges were brought on this man, I don't agree. I do not agree. I do not. Agree if he would have Okay, so let's break it down. So he calls police, and what does he do. He waits for police to show up to give a statement, and his daughter is moving by the minute further and further and further away from his home. He did what any father, any man worth his salt, would have done, in my opinion, He jumped in his vehicle. He found his baby, and he rammed the car to stop it, to disable it. Now, if this was law, and again I want everyone to know, I'm going just off the article.

18:36 Obviously there's been no trial, so this is all I. Have to work with. But he got out of the vehicle, he drew down, and it sounds to me he didn't immediately open fire. He drew down, told him to get on the ground. And then perspective is everything. Perception is everything, And I don't care what the man had in his hand. If Dad thought that it was a gun and then he grabbed his daughter, why would someone on the ground who's obviously not been caught kidnapping a minor grab the child other than any other reason than to do harm. Well, he was in the car and the child went to get out, and he grabbed her. Stopp her right, But he wasn't on the ground at that point. But he had ordered him. I'm saying he had ordered him.

19:16 Didn't he say get on the ground, get out. Of the truck. And he was still in the truck. So wherever he was either way, you don't grab it. Yeah, for any other reason. Yeah, so Dad said pop pop pop and pistol whip for good measure, just to make sure he didn't get back up. I disagree with this. I'm hoping that what's. Going to happen is just because of the way that the court system, the way that the wheels turn. Okay, I'm hoping that. They look at this and say, we're obviously we're gonna take some type of plea deal on something. If. I don't think that this should come to this, but if it did, maybe he can fight it and win or plee down to a you know, some type of on negligent something or another.

20:02 And yeah, I look, my personal thought, I don't blame him for that. God bad for that guy either. He didn't need to be breathing oxygen any fucking way, in my opinion. And I have two daughters, and let me tell you I would have I would have done the same thing. And look, maybe the guy had something in his hand and lunch that I'd have just said, I shot the some bitch because he didn't deserve to be breathing oxygen. Yeah, well, and he stopped future victims. That dad stopped future victims. I don't agree with this unless we come up into court and we find something that says an email or text that says, hey, motherfucker, you know, come to my house and my blew your brain's out, and then he told him. You know, if that comes up, okay, that changes circumstance. But right now, this just looks like a dad who did what you're trained to do. He dialed nine to one one.

20:49 Well, they're they're throwing the look a lot of people are upset because they're throwing the book at this guy. They're charging him with second degree murder. That's life in prison. So they're not even at least as of this point, offering this guy ideal. You know, common sense. I understand the law, and definitely this needs to play out, it needs to be in courtant I understand the law, but common sense has to weigh in at some point. And if there's a dad out there that can honestly say, if you could get your hands on a man, a sixty seven year old man, mind you, Yeah, that is molesting your daughter over and over again to the point that he kidnaps her, and you wouldn't do the same thing.

21:34 We're not the same. No, we're not the same. I'm sorry. No, this is okay. And people will get hateful about this. I don't care. This is what I expect of a father, and I know that that's a strong statement. I expect a father to bust through fences, to climb mountains, to treadwater, to dig in to save his babies. That's who you want to be, your husband, That's who you want to be the father of your children, the one that there's no bounds, no limits to saving their babies. No doubt about it. This is a kid, This is a thirteen year old girl. And you know this guy is sixty seven years old. That's a grandfather. Yeah, it's And you think that you can and didn't say soliciting like they were on the computer or something that they were however they were.

22:22 Yeah, well internet's talking. Internet job was one of the children. So he's clearly a sex offender. He's clearly a perpetrator upon our children. And when we weigh the two next to each other, we've got a sixty seven year old perpetrator of children versus it says a military man who fought for our country, who rammed a fucking truck and saved his daughter. They are not the same. Don't put him on the same playing field respectfully. All right, Well you want to go back to Louisiana, Sure again, let's do it, all right. And this is something too, This, this situation is one that I personally kind of have a passion about because it has to do with protective orders. Okay, So, a man suspected of killing his girlfriend early Sunday before turning the gun on himself had already been arrested twice for domestic violence. According to court records. He was also reportedly violating his order of protective custody during the days leading up to the incident. So around nine thirty am Sunday morning, deputies with the East bat Rooge Paris Schriff's Office were called to a residence near the intersection of Arlene Avenue and Watson Drive, and this is in Central which is near Ebr and Dinnim Springs where we are.

23:38 They found Paul Varnado and his girlfriend, Elna Singleton, both fifty four years old, dead from gunshot wounds. Authorities say preliminary evidence suggests the case is a murder suicide. According to Varnado's arrest documents, EBR Sheriff's deputies had been called to the same address in June and found Singleton with a swollen and bleeding left elbow, as well as multiple bus uses to her rear, her torso, and her ankle. At the same time, Singleton told authorities Varnado thought that she had taken his keys, which Singleton claimed she had not. When Singleton tried to leave the trailer, she told investigators that Varnado, in a full fit of rage, had man handled her before shoving her down the stairs. Varnado told authorities his girlfriend had gotten bruised from being under the trailer earlier in the day. Emergency medical services were also called to the scene, according to the records.

24:27 Now after the incident, an. Order of protective custody was filed against Varnado, prohibiting him from coming within one hundred yards of Singleton. But on Sunday, neighbors told investigators they had spotted Varnado staying with Singleton for at least a few days before the deadly incident, and this is according to Casey Rayburn Hicks, who was the spokesperson for the Eber Sheriff's office. Hicks added that it had been a neighbor that had called authorities to the scene Sunday after discovering one of them dead. Others later reported hearing shots fired the night before. Varnado was arrested in September of twenty twenty two for throwing his then wife of fifteen years to the ground. According to another arrest warrant at the time, his wife told authorities that she had been cleaning the house when Varnado became enraged.

25:07 When her son told Varnado to not disrespect his mother, Varnado reportedly became more angry and began aggressively approaching her son. When his wife tried to step in between the two, varnado reportedly pushed her to the ground. In both cases, Varnadou was convicted of domestic abuse battery. So let me just. Say this, A protective order is a piece of paper meant to be reactive. It's only there so that we can do something to him should he violate it. They don't do anything. I agree. That was exactly what I was gonna say. So kJ stole on thunder, y'all, I was gonna say, A protective order is a no. No.

25:49 I was the lightning, now you're the thunder. Now one hundred percent agree with you. It is. It's just a piece of paper. Look, it's if you are in that situation, you certainly need to get that because of nothing else. It's a paper trail of the abuse. But don't rely on that, because a batterer is not going to stay away just because the police tell them to stay away, or her for that matter. I mean, there's guys that get abused domestically. It's certainly not as common, but it does happen, So a him or her. This situation just got worse and worse as Kelly just covered.

26:34 There were history every time where this escalated, and that is the result at some point for a lot of people, it ends up murtyr. If they will hit you, they will kill you. If you look up any domestic violence website, any data, any research on domestic violence. If a person will strike you, they will kill you at some point, if they're willing to. Jim, I can't imagine hitting you. Now, obviously this wouldn't be domestic. But I'm just saying I can't imagine hitting you. I don't care how pissed off. Like Jim told me my hair looked bad this morning. I did not. He did. He said, what are you gonna do with that hair? That's what I said. I didn't say. But no, I can't imagine hitting you.

27:14 No matter how mad I've gotten at my spouse, I'm not going to hit him. So that's that's love. Love's patient, it's kind, you know, it's all of those things. And so then people will come out and maybe I'll say this. Maybe when I was younger, I'm like, well, why would she allow him back at the house. That's done when I was younger. Now that I'm in my forties and the more I of I experienced, and I've understand, I understand, and I've researched, and I've been in the criminal justice system as a not as a perpetrator, but as someone who's been involved with victims. This is part of the abuse cycle, right, the love bombing though, oh I'm sorry, I'll never do that again, and blah blah blah blah, and then you let the person back in. And it's part of that cycle of domestic abuse.

27:55 And look, there's a lot of a lot of people play that control fact. And I'll say, sadly, I'm a man, but I'll say not sadly that I'm a man. Glad I'm a man, but sadly men are known for doing this, okay. And they will have a wife and that wife maybe she's just got a part time job or she's stay at home mom, and you know, the husband works at a chemical plane or something like that, and he's making plenty of money, but he likes to go home and knock his wife around a little bit after having too much fireball. Whatever case may be. Well, the problem is these ladies are in a situation where they have nowhere to go. They've got maybe three kids, their stay at home mom or they work and just it's a part time gig, right, and they feel like, what am I gonna do? I'm stuck in this situation and it's horrible.

28:49 You know. One thing that I preach to my daughter's constantly is never ever rely on a man for a living. Ever make your own money. Even if you're mad and your husband is a top notch attorney at the biggest firm or a doctor a cardiologist, make sure that you make your own money, because there's a difference between being in a relationship when you have to and being in one when you want to. And it's usually bullshit like this that occurs, and the females in that situation. I don't know this lady's situation. I feel so horrible for her family. Maybe I don't know. Maybe she did have a job that she was making a ton of money.

29:33 She might have been killing it. But most situations like this, these people want to leave, they don't want to stay, and most times they're not even in love with these guys anymore. They just don't know what they're gonna do. And I think that for them it hurts. It's the cycle. I'm gonna bet that this was lower income because they said the trailer. And I don't mean anything negative by that. I'm just saying I'm the totatality of the circumstance here. But your primal instinct as a mother, right is to protect your children at all costs. And I think it. I don't want to say admirable, that's not the word, but I understand it when a woman maybe is in a bad position, but she wants her children to be clothed and fed and housed. And so it's not ship for your kids. But let me tell you what my husband has preached, just like you. You're a good daddy.

30:21 I'm married to a fantastic husband. And when you said don't rely on them, And this isn't a man hater club either. This is meet a man who's your match, right, and that y'all are equals. So in the event though that it doesn't go right, and in the event that something happens, you always have out in our household and it's daddy and mama. So that's something we want our girls to know to You're never stuck. You are never ever ever stuck. We're gonna make good choices and hopefully you know lead by trouble and Daddy'll save you if anyone else wont. But some people may not have that, their parents may have passed. You know, every situation is different. So at the end of the day, rely on yourself would be my advice. Make sure that you are good. And let me tell you, as a man, I would much rather be married to a woman that I know, that I that I am aware does not have to have me to make a living, that she's actually with me because she kind of digs me. She's not with me because I got a bunch of money, because you've got our own money that that I dig. So anyway, horrible situation, City prayers and there are options. Look, ladies, they do have better women's shelters and things like that that you you can go to, and a lot of these are held in secret. There's ways to get the information, but a lot of them do not promote that, you know, because they don't want men showing up. Where's my wife?

31:51 So look into that. If you're in that situation, please get out of it because this is the end result. Yeah, our local shriff's office just for example, and if you if you're wondering, okay, are low Sheriff's office has a wonderful set of women that and men obviously, but women that are part of their program to help the battered women. All you have to do, guys, is pick up the phone that sure dial your local law enforcement. They will guide you, they will help you, they will help your children. And there's people like me and Jim and other people in the community that all you have to do is list your needs. You would be shocked how much this community can come together and help people. So you're not stuck. Chin up, make the phone call and save yourself. You can do it.

32:32 There, you got it, not alone. Let's go to Tennessee and a man hunt for a suspect in the Tennessee killing of four people and the kidnapping of a baby ended Tuesday when he was taken into custody. Austin Robert Drummond, twenty eight, was taken into custody in Jackson, Tennessee, by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. This came after a week long main hunt. Now during a news conference Tuesday afternoon, law enforcement officials said Drummond was captured after multiple community residents spotted him and called nine to one. One quote, this is the perfect, perfect example of police and community cooperation. Drummond, who had been considered armed and dangerous, is the prime suspect in the July twenty ninth killing of thirty eight year old Courtney Rose. Rose's children, twenty year old Adriana Williams and fifteen year old Braden Williams, and Adriana Williams's boyfriend, twenty one year old James Michael Wilson. The victims were found along the road in Lake County, which is in northwest Tennessee. The same day, Wilson and williams baby was left in the car seat in a random individual's front yard in nearby Dyer County, Tennessee. Authority said Drummond knew the victims through his girlfriend, who was the daughter of Rose and the sister of Adriana and Braden. A motive for the killing remains under investigation. During a news conference Tuesday,

34:02 law enforcement officials said that Drummond was captured after multiple community residents spotted him in Jackson around eight am and called nine one one. Shout out to those people for paying attention. Quote. This is a perfect example of police and community cooperation. Jackson Police Chief Tom Corley said residents spotted Drumming around at eight a m. Tuesday, Mary vacant building investigators believed the suspect had been hiding in. He said. Officers rushed to the area as more nine to one one calls came in, including one at eight fifty seven am that helped officers pinpoint Drumming's location in the woods near a vacant building. They took him into custody at nine five am, and Drummond is facing four counts of first degree murder, one count of aggravated kidnapping, a slew of other chargers, and during the search for Drumming, police also arrested four people accused of being accessories after the fact to the homicide.

35:01 Well, there's just I'll just there's widespread suffering here and I think you can tell a whole lot of people are going to be affected by this, even schools because of the age of the young one and the loss of their friend, you know, and so prayers, thoughts and if you know something, say something. If you think that someone is. Capable of this, obviously you speak up, you know, and get away, don't. Yeah, great job shout out to the community for excellent who essentially caught this guy. Yeah, excellent. All right. Now here's another one that's uh, this one's this one's kind of wild. All right, we're gonna go to Maryland. So a Maryland mother whose two kids vanished more than a decade ago has now been indicted on murder charges for a second time. Catherine Hoggle, thirty eight, of Clarksburg, was indicted by a grand jury on two counts of first degree murder in connection with the presumed deaths of Sarah and Jacob Hoggle. Authorities have said Hoggle was the last known person to see three year old Sarah and two year old Jacob alive when they disappeared in September of twenty fourteen. They have never been found. At that time, Hoggle explained to her boyfriend, and he was also the father of her children, that she had placed their daughter and son in a new childcare center, but Hoggle refused to divulge their whereabouts when Troy Turner planned to pick up the children. He has since spearheaded countless searches and even launched a Facebook page which was fine Sarah Fine Jacob. Hogle, who has struggled with mental illness, was initially charged with murder, but those charges were dropped after a court founder to be not competent to stand trial. She has spent the past several years in a psychiatric facility, but she was

36:33 released from the hospital last month. She has not commented on the children's whereabouts to authorities, so the Montgomery County State Attorney's Office said Hoggle was arrested Friday, August first, after investigators learned that she had been discharged from the facility. And she is scheduled to have a bond review hearing on Monday. And that is giving me total vibes of who is it that drowned all of her children? Andrea Yates. No, that has given me total Andrea Yates vibes. Yeah, except for at least they've found Andrew Yate's families. And I'll say this, I don't understand this at all. I mean, if you're deemed mentally too mentally unstable to stand trial, then how the fuck are you stable enough to get out of hospitals mental hospitals and just be free?

37:24 How is that possible? I don't understand that she's been now charged. Thankfully, she's going to be charged with murder of these kids, and it'll come out as to whether they did that. But obviously this is the suspicion. They wanted to try her for it already, and she was too crazy, according to authorities, to even be tried. So she goes to a mental hospital, and now she's getting released and walking amongst society. Nobody even knows where these poor babies are three and two years old. Yet three and two can't. I mean, honestly, they're not alive anymore, right. Three and two can't just disappear. I mean, they're they're they're they're at risk ages. The only thing I could think, because I was trying to process this, is maybe they charged her, but because of how bad they didn't have a body, or two they didn't have bodies, they didn't have much. Maybe they dropped it and were to build a stronger case. And that's why once she was released, then they went and rearrested her.

38:23 So what it says. It says those charges were dropped after a court found her to not be competent to stay in trial. Yeah, but then she was his psychiatric hospital. Now she's out, but I. Want well, But then they went and rearrested her. So yes, but my point is she wasn't competent the first time, so they put her in a hospital. How do you get out? I mean, I don't know. No, I'm with you, don't understand. I'm with you one hundred percent. I think this is one of those breakdowns in the system that that this kind of stuff happens, because obviously the children are nowhere, could be found. There's not a reason that you're suspect number one, who's already been thought so strongly of being responsible for this, has already been charged, but then dropping the charges because you're incompetent to stay in trial. I mean, obviously I'm no attorney, but you could still be committed.

39:22 Right, and she was for a few years. Yeah, so shouldn't there be a reevaluation. It seems like it seems like that's my point. Yeah, eleven years this is eleven years ago this occurred, and important nobody. Yeah, it's just god that. Poor dad, and then to not know where your babies are resting. We'll see. I mean, I don't know how you can find her competent the second time and not the first time. Let me tell you this too. I worked in prison. We all know that. And they have units where the criminally insane are housed. In these prisons, okay, And that was one of the biggest things. And I think people would agree if you ever experienced it when you go to prison. Prison is not a place for crazy, Okay. Prison is a place for evil. If I have to just kind of break it down, Okay, you do wrong, you do I guess evil strong. But some people are evil. But some people just you know, they do horrible things too. But when you are crazy, when you're crazy, punitiveness doesn't work.

40:21 You cannot You can't fix that with punitiveness. You know, locking someone up for ten years won't fix the fact that you were completely fucked in the head. So what happens, though, is our system is not designed to differentiate between the two. You do a criminal act like your children go missing, which obviously we would agree she did something to these children, and then we ship them off to prison, and then prison is not a facility that's gonna make that any better or fix it. So the psychiatric hospital would have been the best place for her, to be sure, for a multitude of reasons. Right now, I get it, all right, Let's move on. Let's go to air Zon and we're going to talk about Kelly's favorite app which is TikTok Oh.

41:04 I love me some talk. My mama says the Chinese They're gonna get all your information. I'm like, well they follows absolutely No TikTok rules, y'all none. And she says, I wonder why how come only two hundred people have watched this clip or something. And I'm like, well, you cussed in at nine. I'm not saying schmurder. That is the dust, tiptop, tiptop whatever it's got start. No, that's the app I'm gonna start tiptop top where you can, won't. Hey everyone, Crime Wire Weekly has moved to its own new channel. We hope you've enjoyed this preview. To continue listening, please follow the link referenced in the description of this podcast. Or simply search Crime Wire Weekly wherever you're listening, and.

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