April 6, 2026

Blue on Blue: Kelsey Fitsimmons and the Cop-on-Cop Shooting

Blue on Blue: Kelsey Fitsimmons and the Cop-on-Cop Shooting
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Season 1

On June 30, 2025, officers from the North Andover Police Department in Massachusetts responded to what should have been a routine domestic call at the home of one of their own. Twenty-nine-year-old Officer Kelsey Fitzsimmons—on maternity leave with her four-month-old son—was being served a restraining order filed by her ex-fiancé amid a heated custody dispute. Moments after the officers entered, the situation exploded.

Fellow officer Patrick Noonan drew his weapon and fired twice, striking Fitzsimmons in the chest. She survived, but the aftermath ignited a firestorm: Was Fitzsimmons, claiming a mental-health crisis and postpartum struggles, attempting suicide by pointing the gun at herself? Or did she turn the weapon on a fellow cop and pull the trigger first, as Noonan and prosecutors alleged?

In this Exposed: Investigates episode, Jim unpacks the dramatic bench trial that gripped Essex County, the conflicting eyewitness accounts, the absence of body-camera footage, and the raw questions about police training, mental health support, and what happens when the thin blue line turns inward. From the tense moments inside that bedroom to the judge’s stunning verdict, this is the full, unflinching story of a cop-on-cop shooting that no one saw coming—and the verdict that left an entire department divided.

Timestamps
01:29 Kelsey's Early Life
11:28 The Impact of Tragedy
12:24 Struggles with Mental Health
13:25 A Troubling Party
15:15 The Restraining Order
18:20 The Day of the Incident
24:32 Officer Noonan's Perspective
32:45 Kelsey's Perspective
41:15 Aftermath of the Shooting
1:00:17 Justin's Actions Post-Incident

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Hey everyone, welcome back. I'm bringing you an exposed original

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series episode today and it centers around a twenty nine

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year old North Andover, Massachusetts police officer by the name

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of Kelsey Fitzsimmons. Now, in June of twenty twenty five,

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Kelsey was shot by a fellow officer of that same

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department by the name of Patrick Noonan as he was

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serving her a restraining order filed by her ex fiance,

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who was an area of firefighter. Now, Officer Noonan's side

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of that story was Officer Fitzsimmons drew her weapon upon

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being served this summons. She aimed that weapon at Noonan

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and pulled the trigger. However, she didn't chamber it, which

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caused him to defend himself and shoot her in the chest. Now,

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Fitzsimmons says she suffered from postpartum depression and was having

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a mental health episode and actually was attempting to shoot herself.

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We're going to break it all down today as well

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as what led up to all of this. So let's

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get into it. And this is going to be a story,

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y'all where everything is not as it appears in the beginning.

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So I'm going to start this one off by telling

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you a little about Kelsey Fitzsimmons.

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Now.

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Kelsey was born and raised in Mathune, Massachusetts. She grew

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up splitting time with both of her parents. They were divorced,

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but her upbringing was typical outside of that, and even

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though her parents were divorced, they both took care of

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her and it was kind of a loving thing on

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both sides. Now, according to some of her friends, Kelsey

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did have some struggles growing up. She had some what

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you would classify as mental health issues and alcohol issues,

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experimenting with alcohol, et cetera, but nothing that would be

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noted as serious. And in twenty fifteen, she graduates from

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Mathune High School and attends Fisher College in Massachusetts. And

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it was at Fisher College that she really worked hard.

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She was waiting tables as she pursued a degree in

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criminal justice, and in addition to that, she also had

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like an internship where she would check IDs in as

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they would enter and leave dormitories on campus. This was

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for a security company and kind of gave her her

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first exposure to law enforcement. Now, in twenty twenty, she

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did graduate with honors from that university and a degree

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in criminal justice. Very smart girl. Now, Initially, Kelsey's plan

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was to go straight from graduation into the police academy.

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She had a dream she wanted to be a law

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enforcement officer. However, noting the timing here, twenty twenty early

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twenty twenty, this is the start of COVID, right, and

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no academies were taking new applicants. They were all essentially

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shut down at this point. So she faced all of

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this and rather than sit around and wait for the

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world to open back up, which when was the world

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going to open back up? Nobody had any idea back then,

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Kelsey decides to go to law school. So she enrolls

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in the Massachusetts School of Law and she attends for

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three semesters, and she's still working hard. While she's attending

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law school, she actually worked as a paralegal for a

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local law firm kind of learned more about the law,

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and she comes to the realization that being a lawyer

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just isn't going to be for her. And about that time,

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she realizes that, as luck would have it, the police

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academies would start taking students again. COVID was kind of

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it wasn't going away, but it was to the point

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that you could open things up again. So Kelsey starts

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out by applying and getting a job as a corrections

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officer for the Essex County Sheriff's Department. And she was

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looking to gain some practical law enforcement experience and thought

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this would make for a good start. And look, I

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know tons of people that are now way high up

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on the law enforcement ladder, if you will, and most

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of them started off as corrections officers, so this is

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a good place to start. She handled inmate transfers from

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the prison to the courthouse, and she also worked in

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the perimeter security section of the prison for over two years.

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And I have kind of a thought on why she

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only worked that perimeter security section. She is a very

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pretty girl. I thought when I was originally researching this

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that man, as attractive as she is, I couldn't imagine

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her working a tier inside of a prison. It would

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not be a good idea at all, trust me. And

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so the powers that be that hired her probably thought

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the same thing, and they were like, look, we're gonna

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let her work the perimeter security section, which is the

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outside part. You don't want someone that is as attractive

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as Kelsey Fitzsimmons is working like a freaking tear. That

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would be not a good idea. So while she was

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working for the Sheriff's office, she moved to North and Over, Massachises,

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and she really falls in love with life inside of

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Northover and she applies for the North Andover Police Department. Now,

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with a lot of police departments, most of them, I

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would say, you don't just interview with human resources. You

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go in front of a panel kind of like a board.

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In that panel is typically made up of other police

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officers within that department. They question you. They ask you

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all kinds of different questions, everything from what is your

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favorite color? To have you ever been convicted of a crime?

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What types of crimes have you done that you've not

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been caught for? I mean, it runs the gamut, and

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it's part of the process. So Kelsey passes this board

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with flying colors, she passes the background check they perform,

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and she is hired on at the North Andover Police Department.

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And the next step from there is going to the

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police Academy. Now, this academy is about six months in length.

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It's not a short program, and you learn everything from

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shooting a gun if you don't already know how to

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do that, or learn how to properly shoot it, and

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you learn fighting techniques, all sorts of things at these

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police academies. Kelsey graduates from that police academy in May

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of twenty twenty four. Now during this time, just prior

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to entering that academy, Kelsey meets a firefighter and his

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name is Justin Elaine, who was a North end Over firefighter.

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This is in September of twenty twenty three. Now, that

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relationship quickly progresses, and by March of twenty twenty four,

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Justin moves in to Kelsey's home. They met the way

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most people meet these days, via the Internet Facebook. Specifically,

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they go on a few dates and they seemingly fall

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in love. On October tenth of twenty four. They are

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so in love, in fact, that they get engaged with

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plans to marry in October of twenty twenty five. Then

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in November of twenty twenty four, she becomes pregnant with

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their son. Now, little about Justin. He is thirty two

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years old at the time of the incident that I'm

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about to tell you about. He grew up in Lancaster, Massachusetts.

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He's a college graduate. He had a degree in business management,

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after college, he decided to do kind of a cross

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country trip. Wasn't really sure what he wanted to do

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with his life, and this was a great time to

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not give a shit, right, So he takes off and

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he goes across country and he ends up in Utah

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where he becomes a counselor at a youth camp. And

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it was a youth camp designed to help people with addiction,

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and there were also some adults there as well. Now

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telling you all of that, this seems like a very

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well rounded guy, right, seems like a great guy, got

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his head on his shoulders. If you will, college graduate,

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he's going to help people with addiction. Man picture perfect.

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After about eight months, he goes back to Massachusetts and

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he decides he wants to service country and he enlists

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in the United States Army. And at this point it's

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in twenty seventeen and he thrives in the US Army.

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He actually tries out for the Green Berets, the special

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forces in the Army, but he gets hurt pretty bad

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during training in the Green Berets and he tears a

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bunch of ligaments, and that kind of grinded that dream

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to a halt. If you will, This is in twenty nineteen.

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From there, he gets honorably discharged from the Army and

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he returns back to Massachusetts. He works several different jobs,

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tries a few things out, and eventually he becomes a

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North and Over firef in August of twenty twenty one.

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He also goes back to school and earns a second

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bachelor's degree, this time in fire science. As I said,

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he meets Kelsey on Facebook, sparks fly and on the surface,

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this is like the perfect love story, right. So, picking

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up again with this October of twenty twenty four pregnancy,

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everything seems fine, although Justin would say that Kelsey's behavior

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during this time would become erratic. Hey, she's pregnant. Things

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are gonna change. Her hormones are going through all kinds

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of changes. All you ladies out there listening know what

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I'm talking about. So shortly after becoming pregnant, approximately twenty

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weeks in tour pregnancy, Kelsey responds to a nine to

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one one call while she's at work as a police officer.

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She goes to the home and upon entering the scene,

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she discovers a an infant dead in an apparent murder suicide.

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And this type of scene, y'all would have a profound

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effect on even the most seasoned of officers. But a

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rookie female officer being twenty weeks pregnant, probably the first

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time she's ever seen anything like that, I would imagine

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this was absolutely devastating for her to see. According to Kelsey,

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this created a lot of internal trauma in her life

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and it started some pretty early mental health struggles for

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her personally. So on February sixteenth of twenty twenty five,

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she does indeed give birth to a son who was

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five weeks early, pretty premature. Long story short, The baby

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was very healthy after spending a few weeks in the hospital,

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and Kelsey is described as a devoted mother, rarely apart

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from her baby. Now. Shortly thereafter, like weeks after the

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birth of her son, she is diagnosed with postpartum depression.

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She acknowledges the condition and she quickly seeks treatment. She

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meets with a therapist and she gets placed under psychiatric care.

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She surrenders her department issued firearm and at least one

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personal weapon during this time. This is in mid March

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of twenty twenty five, and it was serious. It was

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causing an enormous strain with her fiance just In at

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the time, but she seems to respond to treatment for

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that postpartum depression very well, and in June of twenty

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twenty five, June eighteenth, she's medically cleared to return to

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work and her firearm license was re stated. So on

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June twenty eighth and twenty ninth of twenty twenty five,

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Kelsey and Justin they have what is known as a

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Jack and Jill party, and they go to Maine to

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have this party. And y'all, for those not familiar with

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what that is, it's basically a bachelor slash bachelorette party

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where both wedding parties celebrate the impending marriage together. And

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let's just say, things did not go well by any

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stretch of the imagination. According to Justin, Kelsey got really

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drunk at this party and she allegedly punched Justin in

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the face with a closed fist three times. At this party,

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Justin flood the scene. He gets a hotel room and

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after he left, friends would tell him later and it

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would come out later that she would remain combative with

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the guests that were remain aimed at this party, and

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they had a ton of them all his friends, all

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her friends. They were in this big bungalow.

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She was so.

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Combative, in fact, that her friends were concerned she would

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harm herself. She may harm Justin, she may harm her baby.

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And long story short, the weekend party ends early and

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Kelsey goes home without Justin. Now, two days later, Justin

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and his sister Courtney, they got to the police and

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knew and over and Justin tells the police he wants

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to file an emergency restraining order because he feared for

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his baby's life. Now, in this restraining order, he makes

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the following allegations. One, he alleged Kelsey would punch herself

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in the stomach while pregnant and make comments about killing

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herself and the baby. Two he claimed she told him

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that she had nothing to live for and threatened to

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take the baby far, far away, which he interpreted as

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a suicide threat. Three he mentioned her punching him in

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the face three times at that jack and jail party

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that I told you about. And four he said he

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feared she would kill the baby at any moment. So

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police they got to serve this restraining owner. And on

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June thirtieth of twenty twenty six, around two point thirty pm,

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they faxed this to a judge to get that judge

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to sign it and send it back so they can

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serve it now. Earlier that morning, and this is a Monday, y'all.

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Justin and Kelsey, they were exchanging texts back and forth,

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and I'm going to pick up here with Kelsey herself

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kind of detailing exactly what occurred this day, picking up

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with that morning, and this is per her testimony at trial.

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He had spoken through text and on the phone in

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the morning. I was asking if he would come home

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because he hadn't been home in days, to be with Kayden.

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While I went to work.

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And his response basically was I can pick him up

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and watch him. And I said, you're not a babysitter.

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So there was a bit of argument about that. Your argument, Yeah,

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I was like, you're his dad, You're not a babysitter.

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You can come home.

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I don't understand picking him up and watching him. That

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was very odd for me to hear as his father.

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Moms don't like when dad say they're going to babysit

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their own.

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Kid, right, yes, your dad.

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And at some point, just to kind of cut to

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the chase on that you made a plan to meet

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up in North Andover.

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Yeah, there was a lot of texting back and forth.

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He originally said yes, and then he said no, and

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then he said I'll meet you tomorrow and I said,

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you have worked tomorrow. That doesn't make any sense. He

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worked a twenty four hour overnight shift.

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So there's something about gas money as well.

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Yeah, he said that he couldn't drive from Stowe, Massachusetts

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to North Andover because he had no gas in his truck.

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And I just.

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Was trying to get him to meet me out, like

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we need to figure this out. I go, I go

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to work in a couple hours, like we need to

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figure this out. He called me while I was driving

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to work and said, I'm on my way to North Andover.

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Let me stop you right there. Okay, let me just

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rewind rewind you a little bit.

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So there's some texting about this, right, and the texting

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that you have, and that's been kind of passed around

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in the case it doesn't end up with Okay, I'll

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come and meet you at the North end Over Common right.

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No, So, was that.

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Was that arrangement need outside of those texts?

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Yes, Like, looking back now, I think it was strategic.

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But well, just I don't want to keep I don't

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want to that's just my opinion. Yeah, I don't want

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to ask for your pinion on I just want to factually,

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I'd like to ask you where there's some were there

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a couple of calls.

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Back and forth that kind of set that up once

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and for all.

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Yes, he called me on my way to.

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Work, so, as you heard there, prior to him filing

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that restraining order, she is texting her fiance to make

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arrangements to watch her son, and a few hours later,

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he's filing a restraining order in her department. So, as

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you heard her say, at one pm that day, Kelsey

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has a mandated CPR class that she attends. At two

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o'clock that day, Justin agrees to meet Kelsey, according to

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her to quote talk at a local park. Well, she arrives,

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Justin never show because he is at the moment filing

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this restraining order. So she waits a good while and

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at some point call it a sixth cens or whatever.

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But something told her to drive by a mutual friend's house,

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which is what she does. And when she drives by

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this mutual friend's house, she sees Justin's truck as well,

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as other people that she knew, including her own friends,

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in the driveway of that home. And she finds this

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very strange and it's kind of confusing to her. She's

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not really sure what's going on, but she knows something

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is off. So she goes home, but she doesn't park

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in her own driveway. She actually parks about one hundred

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and fifty yards from her house at a nearby school

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in the parking lot. And then she calls her mother

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and she kind of vents about the fact that Justin

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did not show up to meet her and talk things

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over regarding their relationtionship and maybe just get her mom's

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advice invent. Then around three point thirty, she calls her

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mom again, and this time she is in a full

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blame panic. She knows something's up, but she doesn't know what.

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But she's about to lose her fiance here and she

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can sense that, and she calls her mom up again

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and tells her, hey, can you come over and just

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sit with me? And her daughter's upset. Of course, her

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mom's going to go over there. That's just what she does,

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maybe within ten minutes of her calling her mother, So

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she vents again to her mother in person and About

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an hour later, at four point thirty PM, that restraining

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order comes back through the fax machine right to the

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police department, and it grants that restraining order in Justin's favor,

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meaning it grants him temporary custody of their son, and

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it also requires Kelsey to stay one hundred and fifty

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the yards away from him and also orders her to

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surrender all of her firearms again, So the police get

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this and they really have no choice but to serve

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this restraining order. Now, at about five point twenty her

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mother calms down her daughter enough to where she's comfortable

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to leave. Of course, nobody her mother or Kelsey have

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any idea about this restraining order, but mom does leave

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the house at this point, so it's just Kelsey and

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her baby inside of the house. About five thirty PM,

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a dispatcher calls Justin and lets him know, Hey, they've

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granted this restraining order and someone is going to be

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reaching out to you at some point soon to make

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arrangements to meet to pick up the baby and transfer

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it from Kelsey to Justin. So about six o'clock PM,

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Lieutenant Sean day An, Officer Patrick Noonan, as well as

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another officer by the name of Timothy Houston. They arrive

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at Kelsey's home to serve this restraining order, remove firearms,

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and facilitate this custody transfer. They knock on the door

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and Kelsey, who at the time was feeding her son

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on the couch, she answers the door with her son

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in her hand, and you got three officers standing there,

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and they basically tell her, we've got to take your

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son and give him to your fiance, and that you've

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got this restraining order, and we also have to pick

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up any firearms. Now, this girl, obviously is already in

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a super fragile state. Her whole wedding plans are shot.

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She's separated from her fiance, she's got this young baby,

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and she's trying to work all that out in her mind.

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And in the midst of all of this, she's coming

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to a pretty hard realization that this restraining order definitely

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means that it's likely it's not going to be worked

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out between her and Justin. And to make matters even worse,

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they are now taking her baby away from her. So

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I'm going to give you two perspectives here. The first

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I'm going to give you is Officer Patrick Noonan's perspective,

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and I want you to listen to this closely as

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he walks you through what occurred according to him. According

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to Officer Noonan, here's that club.

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Lieutenant Daily knocked on the door or ring the doorbell,

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and she came out.

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Was she with anybody?

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Her baby?

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Well?

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Where did you go?

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We went into the family room. She went straight to

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a couch that's off to the left, and I kind

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of went straight. There was another coach and Leave Houston

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was to the left of me.

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Did you see and hear Lieutenant Daily interact with the defendant?

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Yes?

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Can you tell us what she saw?

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He explained the situation that Justin had taken the restraining

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order out, that we were going to have to remove

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firearms from the house, and that the baby, their son,

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he was going to be in Justin's custody for I

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think it was fourteen days until the next court here.

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When Lieutenant Daily mentioned that the guns were going to

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be removed, did the defendants say anything about that?

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Yeah, she said that they were located downstairs in the basement.

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What happened after that?

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I noticed her duty belt couch, so I went and

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checked that there was no firearm in there, and I

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observed like a gun case on a mantle. I opened

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that up and there was no gun.

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No gun.

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Did she say anything response to that?

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Yeah, she reiterated the gun through her downstairs and abasement.

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What happened.

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She went to gather some belongings for their son, and

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she came up and handed me the baby. He was screaming.

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I was trying to calm him down. I believe she

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gave me his bottle, and I was trying to feed him.

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But I'm thinking that it can't be too comfortable. I

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wear an helper carry her vest, and I have all

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my equipment in the front, so it was kind of

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hard to freak.

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Did you eventually hand the baby off to someone else?

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I did, I believe. Lieutenant Daily, Now, if.

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Do you typically wear gloves when you're on duty?

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I do.

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We were wearing gloves that day.

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Yes, briefly, for maybe like ten minutes.

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Okay, did you take them off when you were in

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the house?

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I did.

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Now, did miss that Simmons leave the.

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Room at all while I was with the baby? Yes,

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Lieutenant Daily and Officer Houston escorted her around. I think

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it may have been a kitchen area. I never went

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back there, so I just basically stayed in the family

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room with their son.

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Okay. Did on a typical restraining order service, would you

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let a person who is the subject of the restraining

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order walk around the house unattended?

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Nona?

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At some point? Did they come back?

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Yes? Okay?

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What happened after that?

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I handed the baby off? I was standing in front

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of our stairs, and she had stated that she had

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closed upstairs for the baby. So I handed the baby off.

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And so did someone go upstairs?

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Myself? In Officer Houston?

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Where did you go?

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We right at the top of the stairs. It's a

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it's a very small hallway. Right to the left is

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the baby's room. Right to the right is the main.

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Better okay, and so where did you go?

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First?

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To the left to the baby's room?

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And what did you observe?

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I observed a crib. The back wall had bookshelves of

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sort and they were just closed on the ground.

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Did you enter the room? Did you stay on the outside?

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I entered the room there?

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Okay. What did you see the detendant doing? If anything, she.

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Was wrapping up baby clothes and she put him in

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a far seat. And then why she was doing that?

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I heard an older lady come in and start to

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yell at Lieutenant Daily.

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Did that create any reaction from the defendant at all?

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No?

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I actually I asked her who that was downstairs, and

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she looked up and said she had no idea.

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What happened next?

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She handed me the baby seat and asked me to

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take it downstairs, and I told her, I told her, no, okay,

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what did you do with it? I put it on

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the ground. I said, we'll deal with that later.

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What happened next?

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She started packing a lot of books and it's almost

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like this round basket in the two handles. And I

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explained to her that her son's four months old, no

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need for all the books. You know you're going to

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see him in two weeks.

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So what did you What did you do with the books?

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She handed me the basket and asked me to go downstairs,

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bring it downstairs, And what did you do? I told

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her we would deal with it later, and I put

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it down on the ground.

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And you told her she'd see her son in two weeks.

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Yeah, roughly, I said, your next court date is on

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the fourteenth.

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What happened after you put the had that conversation with

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her and put the book carrier down at.

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That point, Officer Houston had gone downstairs because of the commotion,

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so she said that she had to get more clothes

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out of her room. So I followed her into the room,

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but I never went in the room. I stayed on

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the I guess the top landing right before the doorframe.

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And did that seem to be a bedroom?

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Yes?

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Okay, so if you walk up the stairs, you had

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been in the room in the left, correct, Yes, Now

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she went across the room on the right. Yes, okay,

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you said you didn't go into the room yourself. No,

472
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.160
we were able to see her.

473
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.480
Yeah, she was three feet in front of me. And

474
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.079
what was she doing. She was wrapping up clothes, and

475
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.440
she had paused, and she said something to the effect

476
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.680
that these are dirty. And I said, listen, you know,

477
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.720
wherever the baby's going, I'm sure there's a washer and dryer.

478
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.519
I said, wherever the baby's going most likely has a

479
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.559
washer and dryer, so don't be concerned. And then I

480
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:27.720
could tell she was getting upset. She started to shake,

481
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.039
and I said, listen, you know court date is in

482
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.039
two weeks. It'll be over before you know.

483
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.119
Did something happen next?

484
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.079
Yes, she was on one knee when she was wrapping

485
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.880
up the clothes, and she pushed off with her left

486
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.279
foot and lunched behind the doorframe, so to my left

487
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:48.880
of her right.

488
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.640
Okay, could you see what was there and where you were?

489
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:53.960
Not from my perspectives? Now, what happened?

490
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.559
After she went behind the doorframe, she.

491
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.079
Reappeared with a gun and pointed it right at me

492
00:29:59.119 --> 00:29:59.880
and pulled the trigger.

493
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.079
Can you describe or show us how she did that?

494
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:03.920
Yep?

495
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.359
So when she came around the frame here, she came

496
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.799
up and click, where was it pointed my face?

497
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.559
After it clicked? What happened?

498
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.440
I screamed her name. I was completely shocked. She had

499
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.160
the drop on me. I drew my weapon. She was

500
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.200
already backpedaling, and she was doing what we call a

501
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.799
tap rack. Basically, when you do a tap rack, that's

502
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:32.559
when you're done malfunctions. So when you tap the magazine,

503
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.880
you want to make sure it's properly seated in the

504
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.119
magazine well, and then you wrap the upper receiver or

505
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:39.920
the slide.

506
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.920
Was did she do that once or more than once?

507
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.279
She did it twice. So the first time she did it,

508
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.759
I really it was slow motion. I could see her

509
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:55.039
hand slide off the top of the receiver. She started

510
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:59.079
moving her way around the bed, and she began tap

511
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.359
rack and again, and I was yelling at her, don't

512
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:02.359
do it, don't do it.

513
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:03.880
And then what happened?

514
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.400
She after she successfully got around in the chamber, her

515
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:10.960
right arm started to come up and I shot twice

516
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.559
in rapid succession at her. Yes, what did you observe?

517
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.759
After you fired the second shot?

518
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.680
I saw her flinch. The gun went down, so I

519
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.200
stopped shooting. She stopped her action, and then she went

520
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:24.319
to the ground.

521
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.480
Where was she at this point.

522
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.319
On the opposite side of the bed, in between the

523
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:31.039
wall and the bed.

524
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:32.880
What did you do next?

525
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.160
I covered down on her, and what is emy? I

526
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.640
kept my gun on her or in the area of

527
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.920
where she was because I couldn't really see all over

528
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:41.640
her at that point.

529
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.200
What part of her can you could you see?

530
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.119
I think? I think her lads, maybe I don't really remember.

531
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.680
Okay, did someone else appear at that at that time?

532
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:51.759
Lieutenant Daily?

533
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.119
Okay? And what did you see him do with anyone?

534
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.720
He came up said where's the gun? I said, she

535
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:58.319
still has it. I'll cover you.

536
00:31:58.599 --> 00:31:59.640
And so what happened?

537
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.559
We walked around the bed ice stayed lethal force on her.

538
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.680
He rolled her and saw the gun.

539
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:08.160
Did you see the gun?

540
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:08.680
I did too.

541
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.079
What happened with the gun?

542
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.960
He put it on the bed and she was still

543
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.200
conscious of alert moving. I grabbed the gun. I moved it

544
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.000
to the other side of the room.

545
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:19.160
What did you do next?

546
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:24.799
We immediately started first aid, how so putting pressure on

547
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.680
the wound. We wanted to see if there was an

548
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.880
exit wound, which there was, so we were trying to

549
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:30.640
stop the bleeding.

550
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.839
So to sum that one up, as you just heard,

551
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.079
according to officer may name, Kelsey pulls a gun on him,

552
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:40.799
pulls the trigger, the gun misfires. She attempts to chambered

553
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:43.480
again by performing what's done as a tap and rack,

554
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.200
which typically would clear a jam, and he said he

555
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:52.119
fired off two shots, striking her Another officer, mind you,

556
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.799
immaest Now that's his story. Next, I'm going to play

557
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.799
you the clip of Kelsey's recollection of the chain of

558
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.079
but I'm going to pick up right when she goes upstairs,

559
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:08.279
because although she contends that she did pull a firearm,

560
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.599
what she intended to do with it differs completely from

561
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.680
what Officer Noonan's story was.

562
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:20.079
Listen to this then I went upstairs.

563
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:25.440
All right, Before you got upstairs, part of the order

564
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.000
was that you had to give up your firearms, right, Yes?

565
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.960
Did you say anything to the officers about the location

566
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:34.039
of your firearms?

567
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:34.880
Yes? I did.

568
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:35.680
What did you say?

569
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:37.640
I told them that they were in the basement.

570
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:39.359
Was that true?

571
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:40.000
No?

572
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:41.759
Why did you.

573
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.279
Tell them that because I didn't want them to take

574
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:44.839
them away?

575
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:46.640
Why not?

576
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.400
Because I wanted to be alone with my firearm and

577
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.079
take my life.

578
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.279
Why did you make that decision?

579
00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:00.279
I made that decision as I've realized I've had just

580
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.799
lost everything in a fifteen second conversation.

581
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.160
What was your state of mind about whether or not

582
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.559
you wanted to involve any police officers.

583
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.920
I didn't want to involve anybody. I was trying to

584
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:13.159
get everybody away from me.

585
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.920
Why didn't you want to involve any police officers in

586
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:18.599
these police officers in.

587
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:23.599
Particular, I wanted to be alone so I could kill myself.

588
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.320
I decided that I was going to take my own life. Yea.

589
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.599
I was trying to hand them things.

590
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:32.960
So they would go away.

591
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:34.840
Where did that happen?

592
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.880
That happened upstairs? So I was first in the room.

593
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.400
You walk up, there's landing the room on the left

594
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.360
is Caden's room. I went in there first and I

595
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:52.239
put books in a car seat because Justin's truck didn't

596
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:56.440
have the car seat, and I handed it, I don't

597
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.039
even know what, handed it to one of them, and

598
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:00.800
I said, can you bring this downstairs?

599
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.360
And it was the what happened after you said that?

600
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.559
Somebody brought it downstairs and then they came back up.

601
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:16.199
I knew if I pulled out my firearm in front

602
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:21.519
of a police officer, I would get shot. That was

603
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:26.239
not my intention, and that's not what I did. I

604
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.360
was trying to get them away from me, so that

605
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:33.039
didn't happen. So they weren't put in that position because

606
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:35.000
I'm not dumb.

607
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.320
I was a police officer.

608
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.079
If someone takes out a gun in front of you, yes,

609
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:46.679
that's a threat. Yes, that's somebody that you probably feel

610
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:47.719
threatened from.

611
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:50.079
But if you want to kill yourself, why not just

612
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:51.079
let it happen that way?

613
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:56.119
That's no, that's selfish. I would never do that.

614
00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:02.440
So upstairs it was officer union and yourself. Yes, at

615
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:04.880
some point, did you go across that landing to the

616
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.519
other room, yes, tell.

617
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:07.920
Us about that.

618
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:13.719
I was on the floor packing more clothes in the

619
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.079
duffel bag my bedroom.

620
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:19.639
Well, walk up the stairs the right.

621
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.880
Okay, so you you finish up in the other room

622
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.519
and you go to your room, yes, all right. Tell

623
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.480
us the circumstances of where do you go? Where is

624
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.360
new to go when you go into your bedroom?

625
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.519
So nobody came into my bedroom with me?

626
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.119
How did that affect your state of mind? At that

627
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:39.679
very instant?

628
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:43.239
I knew that was my moment to do? What kill myself?

629
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:47.199
What did you do?

630
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:54.599
So that shoe box was not on top of.

631
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:57.840
The green safe at the time you were doing this at.

632
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.320
The time, Yeah, there was nothing on top of this safe,

633
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:01.000
all right.

634
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.440
And you're referring for the record, there's an orange lined

635
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:06.280
box in the picture.

636
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.000
Yeah, it looks like Now what a you're talking about?

637
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:09.280
It looks like a shoe box.

638
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:14.320
Yeah, yes, don't have it downstairs.

639
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:15.960
Did you hear any particular numbers?

640
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.599
But I'm certain I heard him and saw him walk

641
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:20.599
down several steps.

642
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:21.079
Okay.

643
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:28.559
I grabbed the gun out of the chest. I put

644
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.679
it up to my chest here.

645
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.079
So what was going on with you put it up

646
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.199
to your chest? What was that all about?

647
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.079
What do you mean when you said you put up

648
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.360
to like, I just made a motion to your stomach area, right, yeah.

649
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:42.800
Like I just grabbed it quickly.

650
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:48.239
I bent over, grabbed it, put it here, took two

651
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:52.400
steps backwards. And I don't want to make the motion

652
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.119
of what I did because it's it's horrible.

653
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:58.840
But I put the gun up to my head.

654
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.159
Which hand my right hand?

655
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.000
And where on your head did you put it? Just

656
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.119
just describe it. My temple was noon and in the

657
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:12.199
doorframe by now, not.

658
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:18.519
Yet he had just walked in, Like when I pulled

659
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:23.320
the trigger on myself with the gun pointing towards my head.

660
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:26.800
What happened when you pulled the trigger?

661
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:34.760
He said, Kelsey? No, Kelsey, Now I pulled the trigger.

662
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:37.639
I'm sorry, but I said.

663
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.880
Fuck, what happened next?

664
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:41.960
I got shot?

665
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.719
How long after you said that did you get shot?

666
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.559
I don't even think I got to the K and

667
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:55.079
the word before I was shot?

668
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.199
What uh? What does that feel like?

669
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:01.920
What part?

670
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:03.079
And you shot?

671
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:03.599
In chest?

672
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:06.519
Hurt?

673
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:13.880
Was Noonan present during the time you raised the firearm

674
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:14.559
to your head.

675
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.639
Like when I motioned up to my head with it. No,

676
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:20.840
he was not in the room. Nobody was in the.

677
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:26.960
Room when Nunon came into your view.

678
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:29.239
Where was the gun pointed?

679
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:33.639
The gun was pointed at my temple at any point.

680
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:40.400
Did you move the muzzle of that gun No towards Nuna?

681
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:41.000
No?

682
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:42.800
Never did you move it anywhere?

683
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.400
No?

684
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.679
Never did you ever intend to harm Nunan?

685
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:51.800
Never?

686
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.360
What did you know about Nunin's kind.

687
00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.400
Of personal circumstances in your time getting to know him?

688
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.719
He was like, I mean, so he was a cop

689
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.800
for a long time, and I was considered like a rookie.

690
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:13.920
And after I had like a few really bad calls

691
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:14.599
in a row.

692
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:19.079
And everybody kind of knew it, and the senior guys

693
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.639
would like check in on me and give me advice.

694
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.400
And he was one of those people.

695
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:30.719
And he told me his own personal experience with like calls.

696
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.000
And how to handle them when they're bad.

697
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.079
So what was his family situation?

698
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:39.079
I've met his wife.

699
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:45.039
I knew he had a son just by like talking.

700
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.000
Did you want to involve him in your tragedy?

701
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.920
I didn't want to. I didn't want to involve anybody.

702
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.400
I wanted to take my own life. I never pointed

703
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.039
the gun at a fellow police officer.

704
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:01.760
It never happened.

705
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.320
So that right there is what you call to completely

706
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:13.000
conflicting stories. Now, in the immediate aftermath of her getting shot,

707
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:17.559
EMS of course gets dispatched, and this is around six

708
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:22.480
point twenty two pm. EMS arrives and they start what's

709
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:27.199
none as advanced life support. Fitzsimmons then gets airlifted to

710
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.920
the hospital and she has a collapsed lung and it

711
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.400
ain't looking good at all. Now, a couple of things

712
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.639
before we go any further. First, the police show up,

713
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.039
three of them, They serve that restraining order. They take

714
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:45.360
away this mother's child, who they've already been told by

715
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.000
the fiance that she was suicidal. Right, he mentions that

716
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:55.159
in his complaint in his restraining order. Now, what's strange

717
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.159
is they didn't come with a crisis prevention specialists or

718
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:04.079
socialist service worker anything like that. And they actually had

719
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:08.840
three trained officers on that force that specialized in this

720
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.760
sort of thing, but none of them were sent to

721
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:15.840
accompany these officers. And that's a little bit sketched to me.

722
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:19.920
That's a major failure right there. Now, another thing I

723
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.320
have not mentioned as of yet is that three people

724
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.440
were at the house during this time that the police

725
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.920
showed up. Her mother showed up in the middle of

726
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.280
this whole situation prior to her daughter being shot, and

727
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:39.559
Justin and Justin's sister were there to pick up the baby. Now,

728
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:45.320
this was unbeknownst to Kelsey, who was upstairs with Officer Noonan.

729
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.440
But you can imagine the absolute horror that her mother

730
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:54.280
must have felt being in that house when her daughter

731
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.719
was shot by her own coworker and fellow officer. Now, fortunately,

732
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.519
when the shooting happened, the baby was already out of

733
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:07.800
the house with Justin's sister, and Justin's sister was sitting

734
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:11.159
in the car. Justin was inside the house because he

735
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.760
was collecting some personal belongings of his while all this

736
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.599
was going on. Now, Kelsey did have several surveillance cameras

737
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.599
both outside her home and inside the kitchen of her home.

738
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.840
So I'm going to post some footage of the officers

739
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.519
and the EMTs and Justin and Kelsey's mom to the

740
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.880
Patreon during all of this, because I think it adds

741
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.679
a lot of context to this story. So I'm going

742
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.440
to post some of the video footage for you on

743
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.639
the Patreon. Now, let me say this, I have been

744
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:48.119
covering crime cases for a long time, and one thing

745
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:53.239
that I'm sure of is that the truth never changes.

746
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.480
The truth is just that, y'all the truth. So these

747
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:03.480
are two completely conflicting statesments, which means someone is lying.

748
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.519
There's just no two ways about it. Now. One of

749
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:11.000
the things that is completely conflicting in Officer Nennan's story

750
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:15.239
is that he made a statement that Kelsey lunged behind

751
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.079
a door. Well, that's kind of a problem because in

752
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:23.159
her bedroom she didn't have a door. See, Kelsey's father

753
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.199
removed it when he renovated that home. There was no

754
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.320
door to lunge behind. So, as I mentioned, and you

755
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.599
also heard Kelsey mentioned today, there were texts back and

756
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:39.079
forth from Justin and Kelsey throughout that day of the shooting,

757
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:41.679
and I'm going to review these now so you can

758
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:45.920
get some context into how fragile she was by the

759
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.840
time the police shut up, because it's very important. So

760
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.360
it starts out from Kelsey to Justin. Kelsey says, you

761
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:56.639
just woke me up to let me know I have

762
00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:00.440
to bring redacted to work with me. Justin's says, you

763
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.119
were not listening. Then I will happily pick up redacted

764
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.079
and watch him at work. I said, I just didn't

765
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.639
want to be in the house at this time, you

766
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.239
have to respect that you are choosing to not have

767
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:16.159
me watch him and bring him to work. Kelsey says,

768
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.239
You're not a babysitter. You're his dad. This is our

769
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.440
home where the three of us live. Justin says, and

770
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.079
by being his dad, I will watch him and pick

771
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:29.360
him up if you wish. Kelsey says, you're not a babysitter, Justin.

772
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.800
You don't watch him, you can simply just come home

773
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:35.199
and be with him. You know the home where our

774
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.840
family lives. Justin says, right now, Kells, those are not

775
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.519
the options. I will and can pick him up to

776
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.280
be with him while you're at work. But you're choosing

777
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.760
to bring him to work. You have to respect that

778
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:50.800
I need space and will not be entering the house alone.

779
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:55.559
Kelsey says, your space is abandoning your family. I don't

780
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.039
understand why you can't come in our house, and you

781
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.000
won't explain it. I will not be sent parenting for

782
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:04.199
days and days on end. Justin says, when you strike

783
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.920
me in the face several times and physically assault your

784
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.639
best friends, Kells, you set the tone. I am reacting

785
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.079
in the best way possible to find a way forward,

786
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.800
and this is what I need. It's not about what

787
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.880
you want anymore. We need to be the best parents possible,

788
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.559
and I cannot do that in the house at this time.

789
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:26.360
Kelsey responds, just not even true, but okay, abandon your son.

790
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.960
I forgot Everything that comes out of Katrina's mouth is

791
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.880
the truth, right, and Katrina must be one of their friends.

792
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:38.039
Good luck to you, Justin says in Cassie and Cassandra

793
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.480
and Michelle Allline. Kelsey responds, you're missing valuable days with

794
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.039
your son. You will never get back. But you're choosing.

795
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.920
You're making me very a single mother by your own choosing.

796
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:53.320
I'm rescheduling redacted surgery right now. I will not be

797
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.239
doing this alone. Then, she writes, answer the phone, sad

798
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.519
that you let your feelings toward me affect you son.

799
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.320
Poor kid. She continues to respond, the purest soul gets

800
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.519
affected because you won't help me. Would you like to

801
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:12.840
tour his daycare with me? Justin responds, Now, my mom

802
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.679
has offered free daycare. We do not have five hundred

803
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.760
dollars a week for daycare, Kelsey, He's going to daycare.

804
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:23.280
Don't worry about it. The money's taken care of. Justin

805
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.639
who's paying for it? Kelsey, It doesn't matter. Do you

806
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.800
want to tour it with me or not? Justin? Well,

807
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:34.079
it does matter, Kelsey. It doesn't If you want to come, great,

808
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.559
If you don't, great, Justin. You want to place a

809
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:42.199
four month old into daycare? Kelsey, I am yes. Do

810
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.280
you want me to pack your stuff and move it out?

811
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:48.360
I'm gonna have to sell my house and find an apartment, Justin.

812
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:51.320
I just need my debit card and license you took

813
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.880
right now, that's it, Kelsey, don't have it. Why would

814
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.760
I have that. I'll leave all your stuff outside. I

815
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.920
have to put my house on the market. Justin. Please

816
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.199
do not touch my belongings. Kelsey. I can't rest being

817
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.960
in a situation I can't afford because you have told

818
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.400
people you are leaving, but you haven't told me. And look,

819
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.599
this is just a fight right now, right, This is

820
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.239
just an argument, but sounds like an old married couple here.

821
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.280
Justin responds, who on earth would I have told that to?

822
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:21.360
You?

823
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.599
Keep making things up, Kelsey, not me, that's for sure.

824
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.480
Oh I really I made that up. If you're leaving me,

825
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.559
you need to tell me so I can figure out

826
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.320
my life. Not tell others tell me, and Justin responds,

827
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.920
I need space and time right now. I don't have

828
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.159
a plan. I just know I need space and time.

829
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.719
Kelsey responds, Okay, that tells me nothing. After your space

830
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.800
and time, you are leaving because I need you to

831
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:49.920
come up with a plan. You're not going to leave

832
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:53.000
me in the dark on my own life, Okay, Justin,

833
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.280
that's fine. Just don't answer me, and I'll put your

834
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.239
stuff outside and boxes and of course get an attorney

835
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.559
and sell the house. I'm not going to be set up.

836
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.639
This is my life. Then she tax more? Am I paying?

837
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.800
Or venue the six k? Or should I hold off?

838
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.679
And I'm assuming she's talking about a wedding venue and

839
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.960
Justin says only fifteen hundred was left to pay and

840
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.800
I sent you that already. Kelsey says, I have six

841
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.079
K waiting to send him. It's due by July fourth.

842
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.199
If I send it, we cannot get a refund. We

843
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.480
can't get a refund on anything. Would you like me

844
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:26.960
to send it or hold off? And what's she doing here, y'all?

845
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.159
She's trying to see if this is serious or not

846
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.800
about canceling this wedding. Justin responds, I think we are

847
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.719
under contract to pay it regardless, Kelsey. So what am

848
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:41.400
I doing? Justin? Can you send me the contract? Kelsey? No,

849
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.119
I don't have it regardless. If I talk to Gene,

850
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.360
I'm sure he will let me keep the money. Do

851
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.159
you want me to send it or not? It's a

852
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.280
really simple question. Justin says, not yet. I don't know.

853
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.840
Kelsey sends back a laughing emulgie, and she says, tells

854
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.639
me everything I need to know. Thank you. I'll send

855
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.320
it to my parents now for their troubles and called

856
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.840
Gene today. Justin responds, Kelsey, that's not what I'm saying.

857
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.840
I don't have any answers today, Kelsey. Just hold on.

858
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.519
It's not due until the fourth. Kelsey responds, I'll meet

859
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:17.880
you at the Common at two pm. Justin for what? Kelsey?

860
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:20.400
What do you mean for what? On the phone you

861
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.079
said we could meet in public and go for a walk.

862
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.719
I'll see you at the Common at two o'clock. Justin responds.

863
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.400
Kell's I have no debit guard and no license. My

864
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.320
gas tank is empty and I could get no money

865
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:36.400
this morning. Can we meet tomorrow instead? Unless Lisa comes

866
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.000
home and I can get some money for gas Kelsey,

867
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.960
you don't have enough gas to get here. I haven't

868
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:45.440
gone through any of my bags yet, besides my purse

869
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.760
and a lot of my shit was stolen as well.

870
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:50.199
I will look in other bags. I didn't even bother

871
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.880
touching it because it's got some substance that was poured

872
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.760
all over it and smells really bad. I will look

873
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:00.400
once I get the courage to go down to the basement. Justin,

874
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.079
the less than fifty mile light was on before I

875
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:06.039
grabbed my truck last night. There could be five miles

876
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.719
or twenty miles. I don't know, but I have nothing

877
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:11.880
and no way to get there, and Dougie must be

878
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.360
a friend is at work, and Lisa is out with

879
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:18.599
the doctor's stuff all day, she said this morning. Kelsey responds, okay,

880
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:21.760
I'll give you the money in the drawer. I'm going

881
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.559
to work now. I'll see you at the common at

882
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.320
two o'clock with our son, Justin. I don't have gas

883
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:31.000
to get there, Kells. You took my debit card and

884
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.360
my ID and god knows what you did with it. Kelsey, Justin,

885
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.320
I was chaotically packing bags if I took it. I

886
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:43.039
didn't mean to take anything, Justin, but you still did, Kelsey.

887
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:46.000
My bags has stuff stolen out of it, and my

888
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:49.519
other bag had something poured all over it, causing every

889
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:51.880
piece of my clothing to get soaked. I will look

890
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:55.559
through that one right now. Then I'm going to work, Justin.

891
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:57.599
Why did you tell me to come over at ten

892
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.760
for this, kiddo? If you were going to be at

893
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:03.280
work now, Kelsey? Because I wanted to sleep. I didn't

894
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.880
sleep last night. Why doesn't matter. I decided to change

895
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.000
it twelve thirty. In the very bottom of my soap

896
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.199
bag is your toiletries, boxers, and cards. Sorry. I got

897
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.760
my bag at ten pm last night and just bawled

898
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.800
because my clothes are ruined. My stuff is stolen. I

899
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.119
didn't even go all the way through it. I don't

900
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.639
know what you're talking about. Quote. Can I see you

901
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:29.400
tomorrow instead? Unquote? You literally work tomorrow. I will see

902
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:33.800
you at two. Justin responds, Shoot, I forgot I work.

903
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.599
I have no way of getting into town. Kelsey, Yes

904
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:41.159
you do, Hello, Justin? Am I seeing you at two

905
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:45.480
or not? What the fuck? Justin? Kelsey, I have no gas.

906
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:49.320
I physically cannot go anywhere. I'm looking for change around

907
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.800
the house right now and there is none. Now we

908
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.639
know he's lying at this point, y'all, or he may

909
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.000
not be lying. He probably doesn't have gas, but he

910
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.599
sure got to the police station, either via his or

911
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.800
he drove. But they were together. Kelsey continues on and

912
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:08.039
y'all that she goes on a text exchange here for

913
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:11.360
like twenty text, I'm gonna read this. How did you

914
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.039
not have enough cast to be home right now? Then

915
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.559
I can't go into work when I'm done. I'm done,

916
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:21.079
and so the phone. So you're out and that's why

917
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.239
you won't come see me. I'm done. I'm driving up

918
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:27.719
to the land. I'm going to my land. Then she

919
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.280
says where are you? Then she says Justin? Then she

920
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:34.880
says Justin? What am I gonna do? I'm worried. I'm

921
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.639
really worried, Justin? Are you okay? Then she text why

922
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.679
are you at Hunters with your sister? What is going on?

923
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.440
I thought I was meeting you at the Common? What

924
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.239
is going on? What is going on? I'm literally shaking.

925
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:51.599
Why are you with girls at Hunter's house? She's in

926
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.800
a full panic right now, right and these are all

927
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:57.960
individual texts. Then she says, why we're supposed to go

928
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.440
for a walk with our son. Well, what the fuck

929
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:03.880
is happening? I'm throwing up. Then she says, why are

930
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:07.599
you with Katrina? What's going on? Why are you doing

931
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.679
this to me? All these are individual texts. I just

932
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.199
need you to communicate with me. This is not fair.

933
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.800
And you made a plan with me, Making plans with

934
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:18.880
me and your son and ghosting me is just so mean.

935
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.119
I'm going far, far away for a long long time.

936
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.719
There's that word again, she continues to write. You could

937
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.440
have at least told me you changed your mind instead

938
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.719
of standing me up and making me wait in the

939
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:33.119
common for two hours. Just really mean. Now, at the

940
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:36.599
time she's texting all this, he's already filed that restraining owner,

941
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.400
He continues on. Also, crazy for you to just read

942
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.280
all my texts. Know how upset this made me. You

943
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.639
don't love or care about me. This is so mean.

944
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.440
Why wouldn't you tell me you just changed your mind

945
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.840
instead of stand me up. If you drove there with Courtney,

946
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.480
you clearly had no intention on going for a walk

947
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.039
with me and your son. Why would you make plans

948
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.559
with us? I packed his diaper bag and stroller and

949
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.719
blank for us to sit on, just to be stood up?

950
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.440
Why be mean about it? Why not just say sorry?

951
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.880
Not happening anymore? Change my mind? Still? More individual texts

952
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:14.000
like you called saying you were on your waiting north andover,

953
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.199
your mom gave you money and you would see me

954
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.159
it too. What happened since the phone call? If you're

955
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:23.039
trying to hurt me, you're succeeding. I feel really fucking hurt.

956
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.440
I just want to know why you made plans with

957
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:29.039
me and redacted instood us up? Why couldn't you have

958
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.280
said never mind, not have me wait and wait in

959
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:34.599
the common for you in the comment is a pork kill.

960
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.880
She continues on, ignoring the mother or your child and fiance.

961
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.760
I don't get it, I really did not. You made

962
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.119
it very clear I'm not your family. I will pack

963
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.760
your belongings and put them outside for you to retrieve.

964
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.199
I'll let you know when it's all outside and need

965
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.079
to get some people to help me move it all.

966
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.119
You didn't have to lie to me and say you

967
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.000
were meeting me. You didn't have to leave me on

968
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:56.719
thinking we were going for a walk. I don't know

969
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.960
what that did for you. Then she says, why didn't

970
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.119
Can you just tell me why? Did you just have

971
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.960
me sitting in the park all alone with our son waiting?

972
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.760
You knew the only way from the station to the

973
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.360
park is to drive by hunters. If you did this

974
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:13.719
to hurt me, it worked. I told redacted we were

975
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.400
going to see daddy. You're not just hurting me when

976
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.599
he's not responding to any of these texts. Goes on.

977
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:23.440
You set up this huge plan to make me think

978
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:25.239
my son and I were going to meet you for

979
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.400
a walk, and then you go to me, I hope

980
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.000
you know that hurts a lot more, and you hurt

981
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.000
more than just me, you did seeing your son, Like, why,

982
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.599
why couldn't you have just said to me you never

983
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.679
had intentions on seeing us. I sat and waited at

984
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:42.440
the park until his bottle ran out and had nothing

985
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.920
more to give him. Why couldn't you have just called

986
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.440
me and said you changed your mind. Why do it

987
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.119
like this? And you're not even going to say your

988
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.360
phone is in the truck because when you click on

989
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.760
your messages, it shows you read it. Then she continues on,

990
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:58.960
you're mean you wanted a reaction for me, you won't

991
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:02.280
get one. I'm on my way up to my land

992
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.239
right now for the night. I love you. I'm sorry.

993
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.679
I'm so shitty a person that you couldn't even see

994
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.079
your son smile today. We're going on to our happy place.

995
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.920
I'll send pictures when I get service. And that was

996
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:19.840
the last communication via text they made back and forth together,

997
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:22.280
and I mean the last thirty of them were just her.

998
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.519
He was totally annoying her. Why because he already filed

999
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:27.639
a restraining order against her and he knew that. So

1000
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:31.639
this girl, it's a parent. She's teetering right now, she's

1001
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.000
about to go way off the deep end. And then

1002
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:39.119
the situation happened where they served that restraining order and

1003
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.320
Kelsey fighting for her life. She's airlifted to the hospital.

1004
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:48.519
She's in critical condition. She has five surgeries, y'all. Throughout

1005
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:52.480
this ordeal, and state police they start investigating this case.

1006
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:56.000
Officer involved shoting right and even more shocking, a rare

1007
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:01.159
blue on blue shitting with two completely different stories coming

1008
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:03.960
and from the start, as any of us would do,

1009
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:07.719
we give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. Everybody's

1010
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:11.320
going to assume Officer Naman's facts or the facts of

1011
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.519
the case. They're the facts of what happened. In judging

1012
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.960
by those texts. You can see someone possibly going off

1013
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:21.000
the deep end right now while Kelsey is in the hospital.

1014
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:26.039
It gets even more wild. On July third, Justin calls

1015
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:30.599
police to request police meet him at Kelsey's house to

1016
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.159
get more of his belongings. Remember he was living there.

1017
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:35.159
All his shit is over there. I want you to

1018
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.000
listen to this, Justin.

1019
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:42.000
Yes, yeah, I'm told that. The plan is they if

1020
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.239
anybody does show up to give us a call, will

1021
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.360
be there immediately. We're very limited today.

1022
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:49.320
On staff, but if there's any issue at all, will

1023
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:50.360
be there momentarily.

1024
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:53.280
All right, I'm going to have it noted that if

1025
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:56.239
something does happen, I requested two times for a police

1026
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:58.960
officer to be there from the beginning. I want that

1027
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.679
noted because I will escalate this further because this is

1028
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:03.920
not right. You've given a situation that attorney in that

1029
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:07.880
house and the potential for something else happened. My family

1030
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.920
shold have never been in that position in the first place.

1031
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.360
Now I'm requesting something that is ship that should be

1032
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:16.159
placed there, and you're telling me no several times that

1033
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:18.239
there is not right. Katie.

1034
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:19.480
We spoke yesterday.

1035
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:24.559
We speak yesterday. We did We did speak yesterday. Given

1036
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.920
the intense nature of this situation, what could occur. I'm

1037
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.159
going to be there for two three hours. I know

1038
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.400
what her I know what her father is capable of.

1039
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:34.719
I know what could happen. But here.

1040
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:40.159
I understand the stressful situation. But what we spoke to

1041
00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:44.719
yesterday was that we weren't going to prevent you from

1042
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:47.679
going in the house, but if something happened, you could

1043
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.360
follow us right away and we'd be there just to

1044
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.360
that was that was what we said.

1045
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:56.320
You know, we did speak about that, and after thinking

1046
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:59.119
about it again, I want to make my concerns noted

1047
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:03.199
two times, so if something does happen, if something doesn't care,

1048
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.639
this will be noted. And I have no problem ask

1049
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:09.079
leaning your surer. I appreciate your time, thank you, and

1050
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:09.599
have a good day.

1051
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:10.880
You're heading over there.

1052
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.280
I would be there at nine point thirty with six

1053
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.679
other with five or six other men. It's going to

1054
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:19.320
see a couple hours.

1055
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:18.199
All right.

1056
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:21.960
Well that's that's that. There was no formal requests at

1057
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:22.960
a certain time.

1058
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.960
Justin and I understand. I understand that I went through

1059
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:28.440
Crystal as well. I asked Crystal, Crystal said she would

1060
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.159
ask as well, and never coming back to me, and

1061
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:33.679
it's a formal request. I called yesterday, you gave me

1062
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.960
this information. I'm calling again this morning, and I'm telling

1063
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.480
you that you guys do last minute details every single day.

1064
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.320
This is a last minute detail. Yesterday would have been

1065
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.960
a detailed that was not last minute. Would you like

1066
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:49.960
a detail? I am not paying for a detail. My

1067
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:53.400
family should have never been in that situation. My child

1068
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:57.320
and myself serve never happens. I will absolutely escalate whatever

1069
01:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.599
I have to do if I'm saying that I don't

1070
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:01.639
feel comfortable and I don't want to put my brother

1071
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:05.639
again my friends into a situation where something could occur

1072
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:08.719
if you knew what happened. I don't know what her

1073
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:11.480
family would be capable at this point, they've already filed

1074
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:14.880
negligence against me as the father when there has been nothing.

1075
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.400
I don't know what they're going to do. I don't

1076
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.639
know what they would be capable of. But if you

1077
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.079
want to wait and find out, that is on you,

1078
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:24.920
and I am glad. This is a recorded line.

1079
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:26.599
So he's got You can already see this guy's got

1080
01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:29.280
kind of an arrogant attitude. But he and his friends

1081
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:31.760
they go over there and one of the guys that

1082
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:36.559
is with him. Get this, one of the same firefighters

1083
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:41.440
that showed up on the scene that performed life saving

1084
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.679
measures on Kelsey when she was shot. This is one

1085
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.000
of the same guys over there helping him pack his shit.

1086
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:51.119
And incidentally, they broke into They literally broke into the home.

1087
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.000
They broke a window to get in. But I mean,

1088
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:55.519
this guy is showing up, that's he's in some pretty

1089
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.199
bad judgment considering you were you were just there for

1090
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.119
an officer involve shooting. He should back up to help

1091
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.400
this guy pack of shit. Regardless. While they were there,

1092
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:10.559
he allegedly not only took his valuables, but also some

1093
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.760
of Kelsey's stuff like a laptop and some other things,

1094
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:17.559
and they destroyed surveillance systems also while they were there,

1095
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.199
which Kelsey's dad owned a security company, and this dude

1096
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.960
was very worried about Kelsey's dad. Scared shit. Let's that

1097
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:27.639
sounded like to me, he was very worried of Kelsey's

1098
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:29.840
dad coming after him. As a matter of fact, while

1099
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:33.559
he was still there, about two hours in, he calls police.

1100
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:34.320
I want you to hear this.

1101
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.199
Yeah, so you said that you were over on Phillips

1102
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:41.159
Brooks gathering some belongings. Yep, grabbed my belongings. The alarm

1103
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:45.519
did go off. Had changed the loos? The alarm did

1104
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:48.760
go off. Her dad has full he set the full

1105
01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:50.760
system up. He has everything. He's going to know. The

1106
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:52.320
alarms went off, and I have no doubt in my

1107
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.559
mind he's going to be driving down to New Hampshire

1108
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.079
to show up here. Okay, where are both from New Hampshire?

1109
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:02.079
This would he be coming from. He's up in the

1110
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:05.760
not the Rochester's. I forget exactly what town he is.

1111
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.960
Then he's probably about forty minutes away, thirty minutes away.

1112
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:10.559
I don't know if he's coming, but I have no

1113
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:12.519
doubt in my mind that man is going to come

1114
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:18.280
down with a vengeance. Okay, I mean, do you think

1115
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.320
that I called? I look, I called two times. My

1116
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:23.719
family should have never been in this position. I called

1117
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:26.960
two times, once yesterday, one today, and I'm asking for

1118
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.840
a detail down here for two hours. If that's something

1119
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:33.199
that you guys cannot do, I will gladly escalate the situation.

1120
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.800
This is ridiculous. What do you mean by escalate the situation?

1121
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:39.039
I will go to the media. I will do whatever

1122
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:41.760
I have to do to ensure my family's safety, my

1123
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:45.199
brother's safety here and two firefighters that are here if

1124
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:48.159
this family comes down, So they're absolutely going to be

1125
01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:51.599
doing something. Okay, if you're seeing there's no resources for this,

1126
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:52.360
it's insane.

1127
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:55.800
If you need a detail, I can put a detail out.

1128
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:58.960
I will not be paying for a detail given the

1129
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:02.119
circumstances of that. You can bring this to the chief.

1130
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:05.039
Please bring it to someone, because I am not paying

1131
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:10.159
a cent for this. This is ridiculous given the circumstances

1132
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.320
and the escalation of this situation. You not providing a

1133
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:18.039
detail and having it be your guys's idea is unbelievable.

1134
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:24.000
We can provide a detail, but you're gonna be charged

1135
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:28.760
for it. I will not be charged for that, you

1136
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:30.599
know what. I am glad this is the third time

1137
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.800
this is happening because when something does happen at this location,

1138
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:37.920
it is gonna be all on this. That department once again,

1139
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:42.719
this is unbelievable. Justin when he gets there, just call

1140
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:44.480
us and we'll send an officer over there to keep

1141
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:47.119
the peace. That's not how it's gonna go down. But

1142
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:48.000
thank you for your time.

1143
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:52.239
Okay, So no one showed up on that day, but

1144
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:56.639
Justin was not done. I'm gonna have to cut this

1145
01:04:56.719 --> 01:05:01.440
one off for today, and on the next episode, I'm

1146
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:04.519
gonna wrap this up. And if you think it's crazy

1147
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:10.199
so far, you ain't heard nothing yet, so look forward

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