Aug. 14, 2024

Becoming 47 Part 5 | Sheriff Grady Judd Weighs in

Becoming 47 Part 5 | Sheriff Grady Judd Weighs in

In this 5th episode of the popular “Becoming 47” series, host Jim Chapman brings you the insights provided from Polk County, Florida Sheriff Grady Judd. 
Sheriff Judd critiques security failures at the Butler rally, highlighting communication...

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Season 1

In this 5th episode of the popular “Becoming 47” series, host Jim Chapman brings you the insights provided from Polk County, Florida Sheriff Grady Judd.
Sheriff Judd critiques security failures at the Butler rally, highlighting communication breakdowns between the Secret Service and local authorities. Sheriff Judd also emphasizes how political considerations can compromise safety and contrasts the disorganization in Butler while contrasting his personal experience during Trump’s 2016 Florida rallies.

Timestamps
01:51 Controversial Body Cam Footage
04:05 Trump Meets with the FBI
10:03 Sheriff Grady Judd Joins the Discussion
15:31 Sheriff Judd's Unique Perspective
24:20 Communication Failures in Law Enforcement
30:28 Urgency and Response Issues
32:22 The Debate on Intentionality

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapmanman. Before we

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get into today's episode, I want to thank all of

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the extra things that we do just for you, guys.

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We couldn't do the show without you. It's just that simple.

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Now we are in our fifth episode of the Becoming

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forty seven series, and as I told you last episode,

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this is probably going to be the last one that

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I release on the regular feed. Subsequent episodes unless something

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just totally major breaks, go join the Patreon because we're

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going to continue it, but it's going to be a

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part of your Patreon subscription. So before we get into

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today's episode, you know, I'd like to give you a

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little bit of breaking news coverage first, and there have

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been a few things that we need to cover. And

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if you'll remember, I told you in a previous episode

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that at the event in Butler, there were no recordings

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of the radio chatter during the event. Now it has

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come out that some body cameras were on, but strangely enough,

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there was no audio until after on those body cameras. However,

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there was an interesting, to say the least, video that

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came out on ABC from a body camera where a

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local police officer was absolutely pissed at the Secret Service

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following this shooting. So I want you to listen to

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this clip tonight.

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Newly released body camera video is revealing more of the

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confusion and frustration and right before and after former President

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Donald Trump was shot.

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He would post the guys. I told him that the

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Secret Service. I told him that Tuesday.

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The footage, some of which is no audio, is from

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the Butler Township Police Department in Pennsylvania. It shows two

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officers trying to intercept the gunman on a roof, seconds

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before he tried to assassinate the former president last month.

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One officer lifts the other to the roof. He sees

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the gunman off camera and falls back to the ground.

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That officer then runs to his car to grab a

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weapons close bro do he turned around on me as

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backup arrives. There's confusion about where the gunman is.

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This building, who's on top of this building?

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The left one.

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By the time that officer returns to the roof, a

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sniper had already shot and killed. There would be assassin.

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The officer questions the apparent lack of communications.

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I was calling out, bro on to the roof, We're

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not the same frequency.

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About ten minutes after the shooting, another local officer with

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the Service.

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He would post the guys, No, we're inside the building.

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I talked to here Service to post guys over here.

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Now in that clip you heard the following, I called

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out the shooter, are we on a different frequency? And

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at that point the local officer was on the roof

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with a Secret Service agent. Then ten minutes after the event,

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he runs into his little I guess it's a trailer

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or a substation that they had at the actual rally,

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and he's talking to other officers and he says, I

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told them on Tuesday they needed a guy on that

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roof we were inside the building. He said that on

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the actual recording. So to me, that's important. An officer

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is admitting on that video that he told the Secret

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Service days but for the incident to put someone on

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that roof, and he was pissed off about it. Now,

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our next bit of breaking news is in regards to

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the meeting that Trump had with the FBI, which I

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told you was coming up on the last episode, episode four. Well,

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ABC News covered it, and I'm going to read you

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a quick article from that coverage, and I need to

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read it verbatim because I'm quoting someone else's articles. So

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I'm going to say the shooter's name while reading this article,

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as much as I hate to do it, but I

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don't want to misquote this article. In a private meeting

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with Donald Trump last week, FBI agents and other law

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enforcement officials offered the former president new previously undisclosed details

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about the twenty year old Pennsylvania man who came close

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to assassinating Trump at a rilly last month. Over more

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than ninety minutes on August first, law enforcement officials described

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shooter Thomas Crooks as a strikingly intelligent man who scored

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higher than fifteen hundred on his SATs, but who also

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may have been struggling for years with an undiagnosed disorder.

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Trump was told that through interviews with Crook's family and

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others who knew him, investigators learned that throughout high school,

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Crooks were routinely swayed back and forth while standing at

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the bus stop, but that Crooks never received any sort

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of formal diagnosis related to it, sources said. The law

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enforcement officials also told Trump that they are still unable

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to say exactly what motivated crooks to target Trump at

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the July thirteenth Rilly. In the days and weeks before

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the attack, crooks searched online for both Democratic and Republican politicians,

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and it's possible he chose to target Trump just because

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he was on the next big name to come through Pennsylvania.

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Led by a senior agent from the FBI's Pittsburgh Field office,

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last week's meeting was scheduled to be with the FBI

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pres described as a standard victim interview of Trump, but

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much of it ended up being a briefing on the

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FBI's investigation, with Trump asking law enforcement officials more questions

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than they asked him. Beyond questions about crooks and how

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he made it onto the roof of a nearby building

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with an AR fifteen style rifle, Trump also wanted to

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know whether authorities had uncovered any foreign connection to the attack.

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The FBI agents told Trump they were able to access

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three foreign email accounts used by crooks because of his passwords,

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which were stored on his computer, but they had found

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no indications that anyone else was involved. The information gleaned

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from the foreign email accounts largely related to weapons and

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AMMO purchases, offering little insight into what drove Crooks to

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launch his attack. At a press conference on Thursday, Trump

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confirmed that he spoke with the FBI about Crooks, but

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he offered no further details about the discussion, saying only

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that the FBI had done a very good job. The

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FBI previously disclosed it Crooks appeared to have virtually no friends,

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with a social circle that was limited to his immediate family.

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To illustrate Crook's high level of intelligence, law enforcement officials

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told Trumps that Crooks could name every US president from

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George Washington to present day. FBI agents also walked Trump

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through Crook's movements on the day of the attack, with

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the agents telling Trump that even though the shooter had

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paid his father five hundred dollars to buy the rifle

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from him months earlier, Crooks still had to obtain the

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rifle from his father before he made his way to

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the rally site. The FBI had not suggested that the

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father's apparent sell of the weapon was in any way unlawful.

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When Trump asked the law enforcement officials about claims that

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Crooks was spotted on a nearby building's roof long before

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he first opened fire, and other claims that the Secret

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Service sniper who ultimately killed Crooks waited ten minutes to

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take lethal action. The law a enforcement officials made it

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clear that such claims were not accurate. The law enforcement

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officials explained to Trump that even though law enforcement was

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made aware of a suspicious person nearby, the first time

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anyone in law enforcement saw someone on the roof of

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the building was about three minutes before Crooks opened fire,

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and the first time any law enforcement saw that the

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person was on the roof had a gun it was

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about thirty seconds before Crook's open fire. At that point,

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a local law enforcement officer had started to climb on

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the roof of the building when he encountered Crooks, who

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pointed his rifle at the officer, prompting the officer to

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fall to the ground and injure his ankle. The local

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officer then tried to alert other authorities. Trump was told

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much of that was captured in body warmed camera videos

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that were released Thursday by the Butler Township Police Department

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and y'all. That's the one I referred to prior to

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reading you this article. The video showed officers scrambling around

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the building as he tried to find a way onto

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the roof, and one of the officers was raised on

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the roof only to fall down. Fucking this close, bro,

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the officer can be heard telling other officers after hitting

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the ground, when seconds later, a Secret Service sniper heard

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the gunshots. It took the sniper at most five seconds

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to locate the shooter on the roof and eliminate him

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with a single shot, and the video is released Thursday

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by Butler Township Police. An officer can be heard minutes

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after the shooting saying he was pissed he and his

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colleagues just couldn't find him before the shots rang out.

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During Trump's meeting with FBI agents, the former president praised

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the Secret Service sniper, saying he did an amazing job

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and was an unbelievable shot. A spokesman for the FBI

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Pittsburgh Field Office declined to comment. So there it is.

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That is a pretty well written article on what went

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down in that meeting that the FBI have with Trump.

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That standard chit that the FBI does anytime there's a

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situation like this. It's not limited to former presidents. So

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let's go ahead and get into the meat of today's episode. Now,

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during this series, you've heard from a plethora of people,

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the Director of the Secret Service, the acting director of

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the Secret Service, the FBI, the state police, the local police.

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But how about someone not tied to the gate, someone

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with no skin in the game, but an expert of

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boots on the ground, enforcer of the law, and quite

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possibly the most beloved and popular sheriff of all time

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in this country. I'm talking about none other than Polk County,

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Florida Sheriff Grady Judd. Now, personally, he is my favorite

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sheriff outside of my local sheriff, of course, shout out

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to Jason Ord. So much so that I actually have

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a jud on the ship health that's right. The sheriff

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is so popular that to raise money for charity last year,

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the Sheriff's office in Polk County made a boatload off

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of sheriff juds on a shelf for Christmas. They sold

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out in like three days, y'all, and they had a

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ton of them. He is absolutely beloved, and they gave

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all that money to charity. So let me give you

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a little history on this guy. In nineteen seventy two,

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he started his career as a dispatcher for the sheriff's office.

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He was nineteen years old at the time. He was

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so young, in fact, that his dad had to buy

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his AMMO for him because he was under the age

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of twenty one, which at the time was the age

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he had to be to buy ammunition in Florida. By

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the age of twenty seven, he was a captain for

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the Polk County Sheriff's Office and supervised forty four deputies,

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all of them older than he was at the time,

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So that gives you an idea of his leadership ability.

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In two thousand and four, he runs for sheriff of

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Polk County, which is right in the center of the

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state of Florida, and he wins overwhelmingly. Then he's reelected

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in two thousand and eight, twenty twelve, twenty sixteen. In

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twenty twenty, he didn't have to be reelected because he

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ran unopposed. Also in twenty twenty, Donald Trump invited him

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to serve a three year term Coordinating Council for Juvenile

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Justice and Delinquency Prevention. That's how respected he was. Now,

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in addition to being in law enforcement fifty two years,

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he has also been married fifty two years, which, hey,

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if you're a police officer, it is very hard to

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maintain a marriage for that length of time. Just go

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ask a police officer. It's very hard. That's a worry

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filled marriage for your spouse. So for him to do

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that amazing. Now, what Sheriff Judd is most known for

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is his press conferences. I would say he's probably the

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most open of any sheriff I've ever seen, and his

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pressers are so epic. They garner, quite frankly, millions of

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views on YouTube. Is he tough? You bet he is.

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And here's a good example of that. In a recent

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press conference.

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We have received information and social media that some of

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the criminals were going to tell their criminal conduct into

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the neighborhoods. I would tell them, if you value your life,

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you probably shouldn't do that in Pole County because the

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people of Pole County like guns. They have guns. I

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encourage them to own guns, and they're going to be

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in their homes tonight with their guns loaded. And if

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you try to break into their homes to still to

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set fires, I'm highly recommending they blow you back out

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of the house with their guns.

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And if that wasn't enough for you, I'm going to

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play you a quick TikTok that has gotten over one

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hundred million views total. Listen to this.

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We don't choose to shoot people. They choose for us

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to shoot them. And if you choose for us to

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shoot at you, We're going to shoot.

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At you a lot.

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That's a guarantee.

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I told you, Sheriff jud don't play.

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So.

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I can't tell you how excited I was when he

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did an interview giving his unadulterated take on everything going

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on regarding the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Now intrigued

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me because he is not only one of the most

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honest individuals that you will ever run into in law

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enforcement or any other field for that matter, but he's

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also someone who knows exactly how the process of law

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enforcement works as it relates to assisting with the protection

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of a political figure during your rally. He's dealt with

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a lot of those, so he can quite frankly speak

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out and point out all the bullshit that those that

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were directly involved in this situation won't tell you. So

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I want to make sure I credit Patrick Bett David's

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PDB podcast. He did an interview that I'm going to

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be clipping a lot of clips out of that you'll

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be hearing today, and I want to make sure that

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I paint the proper picture for you of how unique

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Sheriff Judd is. In early two thousand and six, there

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was an incident in Polk County where a guy shot

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and killed both a canine officer and a nine and

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also wounded another deputy. Well, a man hunt ensued as

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you would think, and the police eventually caught the guy.

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A gunfight erupted and the police shoot the guy sixty

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eight times. When the media asked Sheriff Judd why they

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shot the guy sixty eight times, he responded with, get this,

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we ran out of bullets. Here he is discussing that

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very incident with PDB. When PDB asked him where that

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response came from.

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Well, it comes from the heart, and it comes from

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the soul, and it comes from what the overwhelming majority

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of the people are thinking. This guy shot and killed

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our canine, shot and killed our canine handler, shot the

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backup deputy, then took the dead canine handler's firearm ran

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into the woods. City police came to back us up,

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shot at two of them and happened to miss them.

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The next day we had the area surrounded. The next morning,

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when we had daylight, we had a swat team walked

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shoulder to shoulder through this wooded area in order to

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find him. Well, he pointed the dead deputy's gun at

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a swat team. What do you think is gonna happen.

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You're gonna get shot a lot. You're gonna get shot

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so much you can read the Sunday New York Times

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through you. And that's what happened.

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So there you have that now, like all of us,

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Sheriff Judd had his thoughts after he saw that shooting

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in Butler, Pennsylvania on live TV, and he offered up

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those thoughts on that in the fact that politics definitely

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got in the way somewhere, and here's what that sounded like,

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and then we'll unpack it.

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When I saw the very first television interview of the

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shoe of President Trump, I knew immediately they screwed it

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up because regardless of what else happened, regardless of the

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different media perspectives, and they were just talking to whoever,

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the mere fact that they didn't have someone on the

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roof of a building one hundred and forty eight yards

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to the lectern where the president speaking is raw insanity.

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That's not just a failure, that's raw insanity. There's also

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a water tower that you don't have to be on

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that water tower as long as no one else is

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on it, and you've got somebody at the base of

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the water tower. Now, as time goes on, there's failure

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after failure after failure after failure. But when you put

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political people in charge of professional law enforcement agencies, you

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get political decisions instead of professional law enforcement decisions. Well,

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I can tell you wake up, America. The public doesn't

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want political decisions when it comes to saving lives. They

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want professional decisions. And that's what saves lives. Unpacked that

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if you could, well, first political decisions political decisions is

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you've put somebody in charge of the Secret Service. They're

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a political appointment. Where did they come from, what was

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their background? Did they have the ability to do that job?

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And the job is at that level. You're not going

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to go out there and train, but you're going to say,

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let me see the training curriculum. I know for a fact,

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following the rules, the Secret Service is well versed, well

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versed and I underscore of doing the appropriate security on

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an event like that. So what happened that day? Where

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did the failure start? Well, first and foremost, it started

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at the very top when she started dancing around and

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not publicly saying hey, listen, there's a full throated investigation underway.

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And I can tell you if I know nothing else,

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we've had mistakes occur because no one was on the

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roof securing it. And we in our county have worked

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with Secret Service over and over and over again. They're

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remarkably professional and there's never been a time when we

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wouldn't have somebody on that roof. So when you've got

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an appointed person that's the CEO, if you will, of

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the Secret Service, and they don't know exactly what's going on,

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I mean, when you have the president of the United States,

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or the past president of the United States, or potentially

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the future president of the United States that you are

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providing security for, you have to make sure you've done

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everything exactly correct.

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So let's talk about it. And one quote I agree

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with one hundred percent is when he said political people

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make political decisions. It's genius and its simplicity, and it's

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absolutely true in my opinion, he is saying that there

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is a possibility that because it was Trump, the sense

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of urgency just was not there. And to me, that's

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a parent He's like all of us. He can't believe

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they miss the simple obvious things like the lack of

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that roof being covered or a counter sniper on the

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water tower. I mean, y'all heads should totally roll over

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those decisions. So then he was asked specifically about his

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experience with working with these type of events with the

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Secret Service, specifically at an event his department worked when

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Trump was in Lakeland, Florida for a rally in twenty sixteen.

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How does that collaboration work. What's the protocol? Wait till

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you hear his response and the massive difference it was

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from what we know occurred at the Pennsylvania rally.

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Here's that Cliff, My SWAT team was there, my detail

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was there, whatever the Secret Service asked for. The lake

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and Police detail was there. We meet with Secret Service

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in advance, they send advanced teams in the president, as

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we know, who was then running for president, met at

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the airport. So the Secret Service is in charge of

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all of that, and they tell us, Okay, we'll take

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this position, you take this position.

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They go so far.

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And I was just talking about my SWAT commander who's

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been on some of these. Hey, if you're on this roof,

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don't take your rifle because we've got rifles over here

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and we don't want the crossfire with high powered rifles.

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You use your handgun. So the Secret Service comes down

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to the training and the prep to tell you what

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kind of gun to have depending on your assignment in

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these particular areas. And I'm telling you they're very good

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at that. So for that to be a total flop there,

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you've got to say where did the problem begin. It

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always ends with the CEO and why didn't she immediately

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fly there that day and start immediately taking control of

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that situation and getting answers Why didn't she do that?

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Only one that can answer that is her. But what

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happens in traditional police environment, the first thing they do

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is find a hole to dive in. And why they're

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diving in the hole, They think, well, who all can

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I blame this on? Well, the reality of it is

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that doesn't work. No one is perfect, no matter how

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well that protocol went that day. Something can go bad.

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People understand when you take responsibility and you make immediate improvements,

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or when you have messed something up, say we mess

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this up. And we didn't see any of that in

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the beginning, because that's not how the federal government operates.

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So Sheriff Judd made a bunch of key points here.

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He discussed how detailed, if you will, the Secret Service

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is at these rallies, even down to what type of

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guns the other agencies are using and where they would

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be positioned so they can avoid crossfire. And if there

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was one failure that really stands out with this whole deal, folks,

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it was the lack of detail. That is really strange.

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How opposite it was this time around then when Sheriff

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Judd experienced it. So what does Sheriff Judd think about

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the communication or lack thereof. Listen to his response after

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he was played a short clip by the Butler Police

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stating they were told nothing by the Secret Service ahead

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of time on a plane of action to secure the event.

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Listen to this.

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We were supposed to get a face to face briefing

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with the Secret Service snipers whenever they arrived and that

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never happened. So I think that that was probably a

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pivotal point where I started thinking things were wrong because

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that never happened, and we had no communication with the

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Secret Service.

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You had no communication with the Secret Service at all

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on that side.

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Not until after the shooting.

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Why by then it's too late.

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How do you process this?

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That's a failure with a capital F. And here's what

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I know. Our team works with does prep and advance,

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and our team is simply the very best. Secret Service

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is the very best. I've never been involved with a

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Secret Service and a Secret Service operation that we didn't

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have conversations down to the absolute minutia.

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Can you be specific with that?

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Well, exactly like which guns do you carry for this

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particular assignment? Okay, the FEDS have one radio system. We

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have a different radio system. We have a radio system

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that statewide and local wide, local, all our local agencies

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can talk. But if the FEDS have a separate system,

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then we marry our local with the Feds. So we

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always have FED communications and they always have our communications

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every time, all the time. That's why this stuff that

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I'm watching on television, it's like, wait a minute, wait

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a minute, We couldn't have all brought our favorite two

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bottles of wine and made up this horror story with

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pencil and paper if we wanted to create the worst nightmare.

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So I don't understand all of that because we always

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communicate with Secret Service. It's a mandate. And in my organization,

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if Secret Service didn't talk to us like we know

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they should, that would bubble up to the top to me.

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I'd pick the phone up and I'd call the big

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bosses at Secret Service and go, what the heck. But

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we've never had that conversation. We've never had to have

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that conversation.

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So you're putting a little bit of the onus on

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Butler's wall. You're not just putting it on Secret Service,

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every one of them. I'm putting it on all of them,

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the state police, the county police, the city police, and

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the Secret Service. If they weren't all talking together, they

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all had a responsibility.

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Now, I'll tell you, Butler is a little bitty police.

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They may not know how all this works.

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Got it.

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The big guys come in and tell them you do this,

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you do that. They do what they're told. But did

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they I can't answer that question. But that's why I'm

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shocked because the Secret Service, I know, is very professional

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and does an outstanding John.

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Now, we all know we have been absolutely lied to.

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How many times during the last four episodes prior to

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this one did you hear the Secret Service claim they

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briefed local and state police. If they will lie about that,

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they'll lie about other things. That's all I'm saying. Now,

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all of that being said, I do agree with him

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that everyone who was there that day in a law

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enforcement role, they share some responsibility. If there were no briefings.

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For example, you insist upon one, you shake some trees,

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ask questions, don't just hang back and say, well, I

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guess we're on our own and we're going to do

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what we think is the right thing to do. That

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was a mistake by the local police. And speaking of

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that in the local police issues, we've already in a

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past episode reference to confusion by the local police. And

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most of us have seen the video on the roof

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where the people are filming the shooter and they're saying

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he's got a gun, he's got a gun. Well, another

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video surfaced from a different perspective, and it shows several

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police on the other side of that building where everybody

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was seeing the shooter and they knew he was around,

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but they couldn't find him. And you could see maybe

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four or five deputies and they're scanning different parts of

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that roof trying to see if they can locate this guy. Now,

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that video was two minutes long, and you can hear

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Trump in the background, and he's doing his speech the

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whole time. There is absolutely no sense of urgency on

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the local police's part. They're really just kind of meandering.

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They're just kind of looking around. They're not running. So

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what do you think the sheriff thought of that video? Well,

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PDB played it for him and here were his thoughts

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after watching it.

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It's all wrong. And I've heard that they had up

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to an hour and a half. That's at some point

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they actually saw the guy take out a rangefinder, okay,

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golf golf ringe, finger golf free At that moment in time,

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we'd run that guy down and he would have been

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with us having a conversation till the President left. He

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would not have ever gotten on the roof. But if

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we didn't find him, if he got lost in a crowd.

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I didn't see a crowd, there wouldn't made any difference.

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We would have been on the roof ahead of time.

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We'd have been on the roof when we started staging

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and prepping for that event, so there wouldn't have been

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an empty roof for him to get on. And I

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look at that and I'm mortified. I'm absolutely mortified. You

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saw police officers that didn't know what they were doing. Now,

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that police officer on the ground doesn't have a ladder,

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but did you see him calling for a ladder? Did

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you see him pulling a car up so he can

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climb up on the roof and get onto the roof

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of the building. Nobody reacted. It's mortifying the entire event.

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And y'all that particular club, which I'll post on the

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pay Patreon for the Patreon members, there's no urgency whatsoever none.

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So here was the question I wanted to ask, and

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that was did Sheriff Judd think this was intentional? Here

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was his response to that.

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I don't think it was intentional, okay, And because here's

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what I know, whether you're a conservative or a liberal,

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whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. As the sheriff,

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and everyone knows I'm a conservative and a Republican, I

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would give my life for a Democrat and a liberal

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president or someone running, because that's my job to protect them,

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because that's what we do in a democracy. We do

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what's right. We're not playing politics. It's not a political deal.

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So do I think there was a quote conspiracy? Do

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I think there was?

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No?

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I think it was just absolute, total sloppy, lazy police work.

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That may be where he and I disagree just a

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little bit, y'all. I just think there had to be

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more to it than that then, just some really shoddy

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police work that day. I mean, to me, there were

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too many failures by way too many departments for this

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asshole to pull that off. That's just my opinion.

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What do you think?

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So that's it, that Sheriff Judd's take. I hope you

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enjoyed this series. If you're a Patreon member, we're going

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to continue the Becoming forty seven series. Thank you again

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for listening, and until next time for exposed scandalous files

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of the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman. Much love,